Race is Real: Why It’s a Powerful Fallacy

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  • @JamesHarper-v9f
    @JamesHarper-v9f 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    “In sociology something is real if it is real in its consequences.”

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes, consequences certainly matter. Even delusions are real to those experiencing them.

  • @orrinscott-stewart3641
    @orrinscott-stewart3641 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The fact that Africa has more racial diversity makes sense when you think that if Humankind evolved there there would be greater opportunity for more diversity since its the oldest population more time for diversity to build.

    • @ZootOfficial
      @ZootOfficial 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      >ignores that africa is a really huge place

    • @christopherstein2024
      @christopherstein2024 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ZootOfficial Also ignores that despite the term "african american" there are actually pretty different looking people in africa.

    • @hobokingbilly
      @hobokingbilly 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also they have zero Neanderthal genes making them the purest human race if that matters.

  • @johnschmidt1262
    @johnschmidt1262 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    It's really culture, not race. Not only have we seen people work together who look nothing alike, more importantly we have seen people bitterly discriminate against people who look identical, but sound or act differently.
    Racism isn't eternal, but bigotry is. We will always find an other to look down on, but how we will split up us vs them can't be predicted.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Let's hope that we can somehow find a way to move beyond bigotry. But yeah...it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Still, always worth pursuing.

    • @johnschmidt1262
      @johnschmidt1262 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@KarellKing You know, I don't think we can ever truly move beyond it, but we can try to be aware.

    • @ransakreject5221
      @ransakreject5221 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      But what we have not seen is a multicultural society avoid going into decline. Sadly.

    • @villhelm
      @villhelm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No it’s really not. Race comes first, culture comes second. Some sub Saharan nations have an AVERAGE IQ of 60. Do you really think that a nation made up of people with extremely low average intelligence will EVER be able to create advanced technology and complex culture? No. They can’t.

    • @JT-bc5cd
      @JT-bc5cd 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Culture is downstream from group genetics

  • @justinkennedy3004
    @justinkennedy3004 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The problem here is that any scientist publishing studies that disagree with rainbows and bubbles worldview that "we're all the same" would get defunded immediately.
    Science isn't valuable when certain outcomes aren't allowed to be found.
    Furthermore, the work of dr. Michael levin (many vids here on yt) shows that dna is mostly just a parts list and doesn't directly correlate to the organizational aspect of life. The organizational computation is being done mostly electrically and in a way that is fundamentally indistinguishable from neuronal processes in the brain that are presumed to give rise to consciousness.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The politics of publishing is definitely problematic. The term 'do not harm' comes to mind. Also, 'freedom of speech' of which I do advocate, but always with mind to consequences. Thanks for respectably sharing alternative research for people to explore.

  • @hobokingbilly
    @hobokingbilly 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Such a difficult subject to listen to. Makes me feel icky even though it is so important. You covered the subject very well. Thank you.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate that, thanks. Yes, it's definitely not an easy topic to cover.

  • @BonafideDG
    @BonafideDG 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    If there are no races then where did Elves, Orcs, Dwarfs, Muggles, dobby the Elf, and Half Bloods come from?

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ...and the Trolls. Although, they could be dwarfs, giants, or even appear humanlike. More classifications that don't adequately reflect reality 😆

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      How dare you ignore nascar, f1, and other races

    • @christopherstein2024
      @christopherstein2024 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some dude sang a song or something like that. Highly scientific!

  • @christopherstein2024
    @christopherstein2024 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Putting up the two extreme options that there are either 1. races to the point of very strong biological determinism or 2. no races at all beyond social construct, and then you choose the second because you can't prove the first one is not very scientific.
    The first question should be: What is a race?
    I would loosly define a race aas a genetic group within a species.
    There are obvious morphological groups among the human species and those are not just caused by UV exposure or life style in general but also by genetics. The fact that these different phenotypes exist proves a certain separation and genetic grouping. It's not said that this grouping applies to large parts of the genome beyong the parts that are visibly expressed or that it overlaps with the established social canon of races but there is a biological basis. You can not say that there are no different phenotypes or that they are not caused by biology and this is the basis that at least has to be reached before the real discussion can even start.
    You mentioned that there is more genetic diversity within africa then outside of africa and that this speaks against the idea of races. I would say it speaks against the idea of an "african" race. An african race is not known to me in any form. The social class of the black race applies to sub-saharan africa. If there is high genetic diversity in sub-saharan africa then this does only debunk the existance of one black race as a genetic category. It could mean that there are acutally many black races in africa. I think the key questions is wether genetic differences are just a bunch of random clines or wether there is noticable overlap between gene hot spots.
    When it comes to biological determinism IQ and adoption would be an interesting topic.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Without going on too much, I'd say theories of race that some cling to or still try to champion, particularly regarding hierarchies, have been superseded. This video's primary message is 'what race is', albeit as a conceptual overview. Yes...as commented elsewhere, there's definitely room and a demand for more exploration on this topic. In fact, conversations about ethnicity need to be had too. I'd say it's great the amount of, what seems to me to be, genuine interest in understanding and exploring the topic. It's definitely not an easy one, as you pointed out before.

    • @christopherstein2024
      @christopherstein2024 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@KarellKing Thanks for the reply. I didn't see this comment go through originally so I thought it had been targeted by some censorship filter by TH-cam. As I can see now it has reached you. Did this show up in your tab for manual comment moderation perhaps?

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, I saw yours but I think there were some offensive comments from an individual that got the TH-cam censorship filter all frazzled. If I keep on making more around this, and probably anything else, then it's to be expected 😆

  • @Cailean_MacCoinnich
    @Cailean_MacCoinnich 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    My family has long been breeders of pedigree dogs. You mention there is no genetic marker that differentiates 'races' of humans, just like there is no genetic difference between a Yorkshire Terrier and a Great Dane. Yet there are quite obvious differences between the two breed of dog. If not for the negative connotations of the word 'breed', might it not be better to differentiate humans in the same way?
    There is no genetic difference (apart from the small % of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA) between say a Chinese person and a sub-Saharan African man, yet there are obvious different physical attributes. So like the two dogs mentioned, the two different people are different breeds of the same species.
    I would be interested to hear your views on this. Thanks

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the comment. I will upload a video that focuses more on the variation and terminology you've highlighted.

    • @Henryfordisright
      @Henryfordisright 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Race is most definitely real and genetic. Look at Africans who have up 19% genetics of an extinct variation of human. This doesn't line up with the current mainstream but it's a fact. A reality the Western world must deal with...and very soon.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Up to 19% is key. This really highlights the level of genetic diversity. There are other extinct hominin species/subspecies that have contributed to the genetics of other groups of people too. There's definitely a lot to unpack here and I aim to produce a series of videos. Hope you'll find some value in them.

    • @jezlawrence720
      @jezlawrence720 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're talking about phenotype that's all.

    • @Snowmon89
      @Snowmon89 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I keep telling people that I'm an "American mutt", but they seem to take more issue that that I do. I'm mixed and quite proud of it. As such, I'm perfectly okay with the analogy you're using. It may sound dehumanizing, but it's also way closer to the stating the truth of the matter with race.
      That said, I'm tired of people who say "race doesn't exist", but then proceeds to literally use Race in their arguments, just by different names.

  • @billbadson7598
    @billbadson7598 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gravity is real: but it’s a fallacy

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That example/statement is more about tangibility.

    • @im_aleey
      @im_aleey 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah gravity can be proven.
      Can you provide a proof of race as a genetic and biological concept?
      Race is as much real, as a Money is real, it's a social and political construct, not a scientific one.

    • @christopherstein2024
      @christopherstein2024 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@im_aleey You can look at the relatedness of humans and you will find that there are clusters wich make up the races.

    • @billbadson7598
      @billbadson7598 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@im_aleey _"Nah gravity can be proven. Can you provide a proof of race as a genetic and biological concept?"_
      Show me a graviton first lol

  • @ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING
    @ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very well done.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you kindly, and for adding to the discussion

  • @louiswitherspoon2212
    @louiswitherspoon2212 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much!!!

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're too kind

  • @zogjones
    @zogjones 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seems like people here are contending that there is evidence to the contrary. Future videos considering all the narratives compared to the data would be very intriguing.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, I am certainly going to have quite the list of videos to make it seems...I've done this to myself lol

    • @zogjones
      @zogjones 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KarellKing do you mind disclosing your political leanings? You seem fairly fact-based, but of course some of the comments here raise questions. 😜

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zogjones I aim to be pretty central, but then I'm sure others would pigeon hole me in some silo or another. I'm ex military and an anthropologist with a background in both the biological and social aspects of the discipline. I draw from holistic perspectives and I'm a bit of an anarchist. Conversations with me are probably not to dissimilar to TH-cam comment sections at times. I had no intention of doing a video of this nature, but glad I did. Anything in the pursuit of knowledge and the betterment of peoples lives is worth exploring. Possibly loosely answered your question ...

    • @zogjones
      @zogjones 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@KarellKing nah that’s more detail than I asked for. Thanks. I’ve considered myself a centrist but yeah, center gets pushed to the right when left is more extreme. I look forward to your work on this.

    • @christopherstein2024
      @christopherstein2024 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KarellKing What about the knowledge to create weapons of mass destruction? If the betterment of peoples goes against knowledge wich one is more important? You're brave for going into this on a public platform. I hope it goes well for you.

  • @cartier2312
    @cartier2312 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Human Race

    • @villhelm
      @villhelm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No. Human SPECIES, which is sub divided into many different sub species known colloquially as ‘races’.

  • @M3bullet
    @M3bullet 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi as a black man watching this I say thank you and it’s been well proven that everyone can trace there genetic lineage back to Africa

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're too kind, thank you. Yes, that's right. Our evolutionary and genetic histories all trace back to the same place and our differences are not nearly as different as what some might believe them to be.

    • @villhelm
      @villhelm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, it isn’t well proven. Africans are homo erectus hybrids.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All living humans are of the same species. Homo sapien.

    • @christopherstein2024
      @christopherstein2024 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@KarellKing I don't think anyone doubts that we are the same species. I think another question would by why neanderthals and denisovans are considered different species when we have mixed with them.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@christopherstein2024 This was in response to someone suggesting that we were not, which I assume was deleted/filtered. There has been a lot of work in the last decade that has changed the way we understand pre-modern humans such as Neanderthals and Denisovans...adding this to the list lol. It can take a pretty long time for research to go through the peer review process to be released (I have one paper that has been in review for over a year now). But more than that, it just further highlights a massive disconnect between scholarly material and the access of those outside of academia. I see it as problematic. Belittle/condemn people for not knowing, understanding, or even reading contemporary research and understandings of ... well anything ... and don't give them access to it either. There are of course valid reasons, but there has to be better ways of communicating research. I guess that is, in part, my goal or 'fools errand' if it suits better. Many have tried, many have failed 😂

  • @knownothing3364
    @knownothing3364 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the irish italians slavs etc never were required (or did) to use the black only stuff in segregation sayin we called the irish black ? hahaha this was anti catholicism if anything
    the human genome project only says common conceptions of race are too non specific for as many "races" ought exist
    lol for genocide you posted the Tollense valley battlefield from 1300bc
    continental races is what your referring to and its primarily indicated by skull shape, its a weird category shift when we have so many more "racialists" that go further. this goes all the way back to herodotus on ethnos and genos

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As with many comments, you've further highlighted how it's policalised, complex, and changed through time. Thanks for engaging.

    • @knownothing3364
      @knownothing3364 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KarellKing more than policalized its shredded through analytical philosophical shit thats filtered into politics so it can be dismissed by the same rigour its been woodchipped with, its like borderline circlejerk of abstraction for things that are apparently innate no matter how you slice it while all along it peeps through no matter the framework

  • @johnwatts8346
    @johnwatts8346 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    race is real, and it simply doesnt matter anyone says phd or not,

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I certainly agree that it is real in some aspects and I appreciate your engagement.

    • @johnwatts8346
      @johnwatts8346 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KarellKing groovy, im kiwi as well.

    • @anitabonghit2758
      @anitabonghit2758 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Race is not real" but if you parents are both of the aboriginal race you had better get te flu vaccine

    • @yoeyyoey8937
      @yoeyyoey8937 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I mean it does in so far as it’s related to science in any way. Otherwise it’s just subjectively real and what you think as an individual doesn’t really have anything to do with what I think

    • @johnwatts8346
      @johnwatts8346 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yoeyyoey8937 no its not subjective at all, it exists, its very obvious to anyone and its not even up for debate, we all know exactly what a white black and asian person etc looks like, its asinine denial of basic reality to pretend otherwise,

  • @vladakovbasa8329
    @vladakovbasa8329 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If we try to use taxonomy to explain the concept of the race, you find that most of the ppl will think that race is on the level of the class, when in fact it is more of a subfamily...... Of course bad comparison, but just to highlight the difference in thoughts

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @vladakovbasa8329 Thanks. I see where you're going with this. Taxonomically speaking, we belong to the class Mammalia and our family is Hominidae. Race is assumed at species level, Homo sapien, however it's actually just genetic variation of the same species. More to come on this soon.

    • @billbadson7598
      @billbadson7598 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like how pit bulls and chihuahuas and timber wolves are all just genetic variation on the same species

  • @Max-he6yc
    @Max-he6yc 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I can tell you truly believe this. But you have much more research and reflection to do on this topic.
    Race is one of the most clear and apparent distinctions between humans we can observe. And there are distinctions in terms of intelligence and behavior based on genetics you are born with.
    Intelligence is genetically inherited from your parents. We see this phenomena in all races. A childs environement plays some factor but you will reach a genetic ceiling for intelligence.
    No matter how many books you read, how much math you do, you cannot keep gaining IQ.
    In the same way you cannot keep gaining muscle, after a certain point no matter how many excercises you perform. You reach your genetic potential. Some people can build more, some less.
    Once weve determined that intelligence is genetically inherited (Every study is pointing to this fact and anyone telling you otherwise has an agenda), we can then begin to understand the differences in IQ across racial groups.
    They have done multiple twin studies of children seperated at birth and raised in different racial and socio economic households just to find that environment played no effect on the childrens intelligence once they reached adulthood.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There is a lot of misinformation, misinterpretations, and misrepresentations when it comes to this topic. I appreciate the comment. Obviously, we don't agree on everything and that's all good 😊 Definitely lots of room for more exploratory content on the various aspects you've mentioned.

    • @Set1MS
      @Set1MS 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Just because genetics exists doesn't mean race is real. Race is a concept we made up to categorize large people groups. There is no white, Asian, or black gene specifically. It's just that certain people groups tend to have certain genetic traits. Africans tend to have wider noses on average than other people gropus, but so do many Asians, latin Americans, and some whites. Look at the phenotypes starting from sub-sahara to northern Europe. It is like a gradient of traits and color(sub-saharan/west African->east African->north African/arab->southern European->central European->Northern European.Not to mention if you broke it down from county to county or village to village. Where does black end and white begin? Race is only real according to its usefulness, which I don't argue. It's useful for demographic information and making sure people have a good general knowledge of a group according to ability, experience, culture, etc. It's kind of nit-picky to say it doesn't exist ig, but on a factual level, it just doesn't.

    • @Max-he6yc
      @Max-he6yc 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Set1MS Are you both implying that on average a sub Saharan African has as much genetic intelligence potential as an east Asian?
      Do you both hold to "blank slate" theory that everyone has the same potential and the only impact on intelligence is determined by a child's environment and upbringing?

    • @Set1MS
      @Set1MS 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Max-he6yc No, you just read it that way because you are either mentally impaired or were completely triggered by the beginning of my reply, that you turned your brain off when reading the rest of it.

    • @Set1MS
      @Set1MS 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@Max-he6ycNowhere did I imply this. Maybe if it werent for your Sub-Saharan level of genetic intelligence potential, you would understand this.

  • @Maneyax
    @Maneyax 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Race is essentially the genetic diversification of humans, each group distinct due to adaptations to the Earth's varied environments. Pale-skinned individuals evolved in less sunny regions, not needing to develop extensive protection against sunlight, while those with darker skin hail from sunnier locales, their melanin a natural defense against intense UV rays. These adaptations influenced everything from skin color to hair texture and facial structure.
    However, in our modern, technologically advanced societies where environmental factors are largely mitigated, these genetic distinctions are less critical to survival-unless one were left to survive without the aid of modern conveniences.
    It's worth mentioning that when people dismiss these scientific and biological realities as mere social constructs, it detracts from their validity. Racial differences are evident in physical characteristics, from bone structure to hair and skin types. These aren't social constructs; they're observable facts.
    In terms of mixed-race individuals, they are comparable to 'half-breeds' in a fantasy setting-like half-elves, resulting from the union of two distinct races. They inherit a combination of their parents' genetic traits. Therefore, if you're mixed-race, you carry traits from both racial backgrounds. If two mixed-race individuals have a child, that child's genetic makeup becomes even more diverse, inheriting a broader array of ancestral traits. This complexity of lineage is a testament to the rich tapestry of human diversity.

    • @KarellKing
      @KarellKing  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, variation is something to be explored further. Social constructs are observable and people are absolutely different. Lots of this to be covered. Thanks for engaging...more to come!