The intro to this scene makes it even better. Ceasar endures the antics of the boy king and his sleazy advisors for the sake of diplomacy. Once he sees the head of his great rival and fellow Roman general, his demeanor changes from casual disdain to utter contempt. All niceties are gone. Flawless acting performance.
If you didn't have Roman authority and harmed a Roman, especially a high-ranking one, Rome would not take it well even if you intended to get on its good side by doing a favor for another influential Roman. Only Romans had the right to harm other Romans from their point of view.
The Romans revered Alexander the Great, but typically had less-than-great opinions about his successor nations. The Ptolemy Dynasty were seen as a bunch of weak inbred scum in their eyes.
That was actually how the event went down as recorded tho. Despite the civil war and with Caesar obviously winning, Pompey fled towards the Libyan coast and headed towards Egypt to seek protection while Caesar was chasing him. As per culture, being that both were consul of Rome, only one can take one's life themselves if the other gives it up upon a loss on the battlefield and Caesar knew that. Thus his aim of going to Egypt was to force Pompey to retire his old bones from politics and pass all his men, military might and promise full support for Caesar's own political campaign. When he reached Alexandria, he was told that Ptolemy XIII has "a gift" for him and presumably was the news of Pompey's whereabout and was okay to a parlay with intention to surrender thus Caesar went. When Caesar entered, he didn't show much interest in the small talks of what the Pharoah's men had to say but still had to play along but kept prodding about his business in Egypt. Suddenly, the men of the pharoah brought out a gold plate with a colche over it and presented it to Caesar. Caesar, bemused, opened it only to realize that the head of Pompey was right on the plate and in the pure shock, he recoiled back and nearly stumbled. Ptolemy was confused and asked if Caesar liked the gift. Caesar, now furious, started lashing out the famous line "No matter what, he's a consul of Rome. A CONSUL OF ROME and no consul will ever, EVER be treated like a barbarian like that outside of Rome!", took Pompey's head carefully, sent it back to Rome and buried it with full military and state honors.
@Alex Pokrandt His intention in Egypt wasn't to end Pompey's life. He's there to "arrest" Pompey and ensure that Pompey would never stamp him out ever again and swear fealty to him. Pompey himself also didn't wanna kill Caesar as he had sentimental value towards Caesar. Both started to fight each other was nothing more than political play and a force of circumstances and nothing more.
@@ItsAweeb I mean, it's mostly showmanship. Rome's politics were mostly that. And it's also how you express your soft power. Being okay with a high Roman figure being butchered by a tributary state is not something that Caesar could really afford. Showing this anger and 'honoring' his late enemy costed him very little at that point and cemented both his and Roma's prestige. It's hard to know whether he was really angry for the fact that a tributary state dared to did that, he actually still cared about Pompey or if it was just pure theatrics.
@@augustus4832 I mean of course it was, were talking about the latin (and greek) worlds here. (Heck the triumph as concept alone is ridiculously stupid, but still cool concept and is honestly nothing but theatrical nonsense with a hint of truth in em) But the important part is that the mercy that is given usually was honored, which personally i think is respectable
I love how this scene perfectly sums up the Roman attitude. You could be a Roman thief, a roman tyrant, a roman nobody, but Jupiter help the barbarian- prince or king or priest- who lays his hand on you. If you need to be dealt with, the ROMANS will deal with you. Everyone else hands off. The funniest, IMO, example of this is inthe New Testament. Paul is arrested in Jerusalem, condemned by the crowd, and literally right as they're about to start whipping him he goes "btw...do you have permission to do this to a Roman Citizen?" They immediately let him go and freak out that they so much as arrested him.
To add to that, 40 men from the crowd plan to assassinate Paul but the plot is leaked to the Romans. Upon hearing of the assassination plot against their prisoner, the Romans evacuate Paul with an armed guard of 470 men under the cover of night. Roman citizenship has its perks
It doesn't matter how bad the civil war is, you NEVER allow foreign groups kill a head-of-state. An attack on a Consul is an attack on Rome, and decapitating that consul and serving it to another would be utterly sacrilege.
You actually buy the propaganda? Caesar crossed the Rubicon and meddled in the affairs of the gods, remember? He didn't give two shits about sacrilege. All he wanted was an excuse to invade, and played the part. Brilliantly, may I add.
The main point for ceasar at least was that he wished to try and get Pompey to come back to Rome and bend the knee at which point he would likely forgive him. This also pisses him off because the egyptians presumed to know what he wanted and overstepped the boundaries by rendering judgement on a prisoner that was not theirs to render judgment on.
I mean he was your enemy but he was still a citizen of your nation. It'd be like discovering your politcal opponent was brutally tortured to death by somebody who turns to you and goes "I did this for you, you're welcome!" It's like dude.
@@Sablus Also just the Roman mentality at the time was Rome > everyone else. The worst Roman citizen is higher than a barbarian King, and a Consul of Rome was fit to only die at the hands of another great Roman.
It seems historians cannot agree on what exactly happened. Was Caesar genuinely mad? Because Pompeii had been a long time friend. Was Caesar feigning anger, but was in fact happy that someone else did the deed and took the blame? Was Caesar feigning anger, in order to depose the Egyptian pharaoh in favor of Cleopatra? There is an argument for all three positions. They had been friends for many years, it was even bound by marriage for a number of years until an untimely death during child birth. But seeing as they were friends, and considering Pompeii's support in Rome. Maybe Caesar was struggling to find a solution to, ''what to do with Pompeii'', and was happy that someone else took the blame. Maybe Caesar just took the opportunity to get into conflict with the Egyptians, in order to install Cleopatra on the Egyptian throne.
@@lukelim5094 so it’d be better if they never existed because you’re upset at season 8 and therefore it makes you even madder rewatching the original seasons? I don’t understand this because regardless what you think of s. 8, 1-4 were fantastic
I think this is secretly also a case of "Never meet your heroes". The House of Ptolemies were Pharaohs of Egypt since Egypt bequeathed itself to Alexander during his conquest of Persia, which he passed the title on to one of his best friends Ptolemy. Being essentially the last surviving Kingdoms of the Diadochi, Ptolemaic Egypt was very prestigious in the eyes of the Roman Republic, who admired Alexander. Caesar too admired Alexander, but when he discovered just how Macedonian politics worked with Pompey's severed head, he was absolutely stunned that something he might've respected and admired for so many years could turn out to be as barbaric as the tribes of Europe just beyond Rome's own borders.
It’s interesting too, how the “barbaric” tribes gave Caesar such a headache. I believe Caesar called the Celtic Belgae tribe (who lived in where we call Belgium) the toughest fighters he fought against. The Germans showed at Teutoburg Forest how advanced they were in coordinating such an attack. My point is that despite not having cities or culture like Rome, these peoples fought almost as well as Rome and resisted her for so long
@@Zach-mw5so While the tribes North of the Alps and West of the Rhine both had cities and culture, they weren't comparable to the grandeur and awe of major Roman cities. The Gauls and Celts of Hispania, Gallia, and Britannia had fortified cities called oppidums, and the Germans had *burgaz, which were essentially the same thing (it's also why we call certain places "-burg", e.g. Hamburg"). Once such German city was known as Mattium, which isn't properly located in the modern day but is hypothesized to have lied north of the Eder River between the Matzoff and Ems Rivers. After Arminius' betrayal at Teutoburg, approximately 35,000 Roman legionaries (seven extra-strength Legions) marched on Mattium, surrounded it, and burned it with those who couldn't escape trapped inside.
@@kristofevarsson6903 I’ve heard too, that the reason in ancient history you had so many advanced states in Mediterranean basin and Middle East (Greece, Egypt, Rome, Persia, etc) was because of the warm climate. I think that this was because of the lack of the iron plough which wasn’t invented until the 700s or so. With the iron plow the more cold northern climates were able to produce more agriculture, thus affording to the growth of advanced cities and thus advanced culture. Of course Rome left behind so much in terms of trade, language, and even physical ruins that it served as a model for them to look on
@@Dexroid I don't think I can call myself a historian - someone else has to give me that title for me to deserve it. I _AM_ an avid student of world history, mythology, civics, and language. I will give myself a small title, "Óðinn's Favored Student" - he has stricken me with the madness for learning. If knowledge were a sea, I'd be a fish.
Posca is interesting just from the perspective that he had greater power and protection as a slave then a freed man. Loved his character and the dynamic between him and caesar
That was the duty of any slave, especially one beloved by Caesar. I loved the scene, but I think he should have had a couple burly Roman personal guards behind him who reacted to Ptolemy's guards with the expression of "oh yeah, let's do this"
@@Rikalonius At the same time, he knew he really wasn't in any danger. Should he have died, Egypt would have been salted. (Well, not literally, because Rome needed Egyptian grain but still, the general idea.)
This really illustrates the real Caesar here. It's documented by multiple people of the time, including his generals and Cicero, that he was not only super respectful when it came to authority figures of other factions and nations, 99% of the time he spared their lives. One of the only exceptions was Vercingetorix, for obvious reasons.
A lot of Americans in these comments seem pretty Ignorant. I can see how they had Trump as their President. This is a TV Show, not a History Book written by a reputable historian. Fact is, is that he was a War Criminal and Murderer like all Roman Emporers were. Like Vikings they were Pagens who slaughtered, tortured and raped innocent men, women and children. If any of you were put into Roman Society today you wouldn't be happy or free, you would be living a life like a slave under the Rules and Laws of a Dictator who could have you killed, inprisoned or accused of anything at anytime and you would be put to death and burned alive as a Heretic at the stake just for being a Christian or an Athiest.
@@MrMogwaiMan that's painfully true but you'd have to include the few emperors that cleaned house and restarted the praetorian guard only to have the same shit happen.
@@BeansAndWeens Seasons 4-30 synopsis: and then the praetorians assassinated him and got paid a shit ton of money by the next guy to not kill him, season 16 and 24 they have the praetorians sacked or killed, get new guys in, then they conspire to kill the emperor because bribes are nice. Season 33 Emperor Aurelian dies and there's a 15min long screed about how they almost fucking turned it around, they were so close to greatness, then Season 36 Constantine has the praetorians killed after ascending, then season 37 is Constantine just getting a giant migraine from all the different christians bickering
The crazy thing is this actually happened. You would think the Ptolemies would have simply captured his enemy. Then sent a messenger letting him know. " Hey Caesar what's up !? " " We caught your enemy what do you want us to do with him? " He was worth more alive as he would have given them some leverage politically.
@@trla6505 I am sure but if so ridiculous. They were getting involved in an external affair. You can't assume a foreign ruler would react the same way you would.
@@stevengreen9536 That's what happen when your kingdom is ruled by a child and a bunch of self-serving sycophant. They were so used to do whatever they want with impunity that they probably never bothered thinking about the consequences.
I love how at first, Caesar is perfectly calm as he shames the Egyptians. It is only after Ptolemy's advisor protests that he loses his cool and you hear the real anger in his voice. Ciaran Hinds was great as Julius.
At the beginning you can really see the thought process going on inside ceaser's head: 'I must not burn down all of Egypt. I must not burn down all of Egypt! They couldn't have known and we really do need that grain, but by the gods someone is going to pay dearly for this!'
The fact is... Caesar was planning on FORGIVING his old friend for taking up arms against him, but to then to go from thinking “final we can put this behind us and be friends and brothers once more” to seeing the mutilated remains of him... Might Caesar’s heart did nearly burst!
@@K_1_T_S_U_N_E And yet, the only reason why the conspirators could be around to murder him in cold blood was because he'd forgiven them and straight-up GIVEN them back their jobs after they tried to have him executed the first time. Nothing's as black and white as it at first seems.
@@K_1_T_S_U_N_E he was big on clemency, when it suited him, and forgiving him could mean that Ceasar's enemies would probably surrender and the civil war would be over. Besides, forgiving your opponents in wars gives you a nice public image.
@@K_1_T_S_U_N_E why was he bad? he gave a lot of right to the common people and improved their lives. Sure, he acted against the Senate, but the Senate did not represent the people. I'd argue, since the day the Gracus' brothers were murder, the Republic was meant to fail
@@vsedai key words are call themselves it doesn't mean they are most of those people who call themselves Americans are british and we know this except for in a self identifying census either way united statesian isn't an ethnicity but greek is Ptolemy was definitely a greek nobody doubts this and their arnt any technicalities to this
In all honesty, Gaius Julius Caesar loved Pompey like a brother and as a result, he never wanted him dead nor imprisoned, just retired out of any career of governmental level. But what Caesar really hated was the face of anyone who killed a Roman.
I find that hard to believe. He killed any romans who defied him. He probably acted as if he was sad that pompey died so that his followers would change sides.
That awkward moment when you enrage the most powerful, most ruthless, most brilliant man leading the most powerful most ruthless most brilliant empire in existence.
@@ahmadsultan4643 true but still constitutes an Empire just didn’t have an emperor. Although you can make the argument that after pharslus the republic was dead in all but name.
I love the scene where they bring the guy who killed him, and put him infront of ceasar. In the beginning, u could see he was proud, and certain that ceasar would reward him, but when he saw that ceasar looked angry, and ceasars bodyguards started to surround him, he got scared
Dat moment when you realize you lost your best chance of ending the civil war quickly and that you have to spend another couple of years campaigning in Africa and Spain.
Every now and then you wake up at 5am and the first thought in your head is "Shame on the House of Ptolemies for such barbarity," and you just can't help but rewatch this scene for the 1037th time.
I love how the British actors play the Roman characteres. Yes! The British people may lock down on the current heirs or Rome, whom they condescend to call "Mediteranean", but when they make a TV show or a movie about Rome, they have no rival on giving them dignity, decorum and pride.
@@666Kaca Oh,sorry! I'm still not able to distinguish all the accents in English. When I was younguer, I wished I could have been, but I lost hope a long time ago. Anyway, Ireland is a British island isn't it? Something similar happened with Spain and Portugal until the French popularized the term "Iberian Peninsula" in the 19th century. Until then most people called Spain to the Iberian peninsula. And so the Portuguese were not Spanish but their country was in Spain. When you read the ancient texts about it, it is quite confusing. The Portuguese Luis Vaz de Camoês wrote "The Portuguese are very strong people from Spain." As Portugal had been a different country since centuries before, the phrase still today gives rise to misunderstandings.
@@atunaco ooof thats a controversial statement to make, dont let any british ppl catch this comment. Iberia is a name that dates back to 5th or 4th century BC iirc, greeks(and later romans) used it to refer to the peninsula long before the french existed. Portugal was founded by a spanish prince from a french noble house but im gonna need a source for that quote
@@666Kaca Somewhere I have read that the Greeks called this part of Europe "Ophiusa", which means land of snakes. The Phoenicians called it "Hispania", land of rabbits. The Greeks themselves, aware that "Ofiusa" did not attract potential settlers, decided to adopt the Phoenician name. When the Romans arrived in the territory to fight the Carthaginians, they landed in the Greek colony of Ampurias and continued using the name of Hispania for their new conquest. I believe that some Greek geographer refers to the peninsula by mentioning the name "Iberia" because of the main river that flows into the Mediterranean which he called "Iberúm" and which we now know as "Ebro". The second possibility is that the name was given from one of the tribes that inhabited, the peninsula, but today it is considered that they only occuped a small strip of the territory and that their importance was reduced to a small area. Not many documents have survived to this day, but most of the ones we have from Rome refer to the peninsula as Hispania.
You know how it is with the British. They don't like being reminded of the fact that they were ruled by the Romans, and they always seek to portray themselves as Rome's heir.
I love at how at the line 'he was a consul of rome' the Egyptian royal Guardsman and the general both approach and draw their weapons and poor Julius only has middle aged and weaponless Posca come to his side but Caesar's presence alone is enough to make them back down.
Context: Caeser treated his fellow consuls with great respect and honour, like watching from the sidelines as a mob poured feces down the throat of his co-consul Bibilus
Teacher: "Today we're going to learn about Julius Caesar and Pompey Magnus" Girls: Eww boring, who's that? Me and the boys in our Lorica Hamata's: *HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!!*
I did a Q&A seminar not long back before the Covid outbreak for College history students in the U.K about Caesar and his Civil War. And during answering a question from a student about Pompeys death at the hands of the Egyptians a young lad in the audience shouted out HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME. We all had a good laugh at that.
HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME !!!!! Those words had the weight of a thousand swords, forceful enough to drive those sycophants back five paces. What a great actor!
This show was really a gem. I was so mad it was not renewed, but it is part of my collection now and I can relive some of the wonderful acting, like this scene, whenever I wish.
Caesar dreamed to defeat all their enemies and then reunite them all as their friends again, despite their military genius on that we was to inocent and he pay that with his life at the very senate, the fact that he could be 50 time stabbed without anybody guard near him and without a sword to defend himself rembember he was still a very skilled soldier gives you the idea of the level of trust that Cesar had with the ones he spared
A slightly less sniveling (or maybe just psychopathic) jackal among the slightly more sniveling jackals. Rome was a slaver empire, and as such is no more honorable than Arab or African slaver empires of the more modern times.
@@IvanDmitriev1 There is nothing I hate more than when I make a rhetorical metaphor and then someone tries to be clever by playing around with the metaphor to counter it with some dumb point. You live in a nation/state/country. One lucky enough to have survived the modern era. Probably one with a long history of atrocities committed against other nations/states/countries/peoples. Atrocities like war, slavery in some form or another, and theft of land and resources. And you benefit from those atrocities. The only difference between you and the people that run your state and allow these atrocities to be committed is that they have the audacity to actually affect society, while you sit back doing nothing to fix the atrocities, condemning the things that are your privileges. If they're sniveling jackals, you are a rat.
For those who don’t know: When Gneo Pompeo Magno (Consul of Rome) was at war with Giulio Cesare (another Consul of Rome), he escaped to egypt. But at that time Tolomeo (brother of Cleopatra and Pharaoh), to make Cesare his friend, ordered the murder of Gneo Pompeo Magno. When Giulio Cesare discovered it, (it’s said that) he cried for his brave and honourable enemy, killed in a shameful way. Then he killed Tolomeo and put cleopatra in power :)
Ainz: Shame on the nobles of the Re-Estize kingdom for such barbarity. Nobles: But Zanac was your enemy. Ainz: HE WAS THE CONSUL OF THE RE-ESTIZE KINGDOM!!!
@@Excalibur01 Ainz: A true ruler. To die in this sordid way, quartered like some low thief. Shame! Side note, if I were Ainz, would’ve also told Aura to tell Neouronist: “To use these witless vermin to prepare for me a symphony of sorrow. May a grand orchestra of anguish and despair echo throughout the Great Tomb of Nazarick’s mighty halls! For only with such sweet music, will the fury currently burning within my weary soul be quenched.
@@robholloway6829 Haha it's so funny how ppl are always "no british empire bad" and "they invented the slave trade" while glorifying tf out of the mass-enslaving Romans
From what I get from reading a translation of Octavian’s recollection of things, Caesar was more pissed off because he wanted Pompey alive and brought to trial since him being returned would of made his claim to power more legit and would of spun things to force his rivals to reconsider opposing him. Him getting angry was a quick way for him to do damage control on his plans and demanding justice by citing his position forced those who opposed him into a corner. Either appeal to Roman patriotism or risk being branded as a traitor.
I think you're right. Ceasar wrote 'The Gallic Wars' and 'The Civil Wars' to embellish his own accomplishments and spread his narrative to the Romans. The end of 'The Civil Wars' is, I believe, where we get the info about how upset Ceasar was after Pompey was killed. So we have to look at this from the perspective of what Ceaser wanted the Romans to think of him.
I love how when Caesar goes off on these plebs, the Egyptian guards grab their swords in defense. If he wanted to, all Caesar would have to do is snap his fingers and his legions would slaughter everyone in sight.
Then Caesar and his legions would be promptly killed by the hordes of Greco-Egyptian soldiers in the capitol before they could ever get to their ships.
The barely suppressed rage is great. You can see the barely restrained fury in Caesar's eyes as he realizes that some random foreigners thought it was acceptable to kill a Roman official in his name.
As a child I loved big, epic movies. Cleopatra was a personal favorite of mine, which is funny given that it's considered to be the movie that ended the massive, epic films due to being a box office disaster. (Although, personally speaking I think that had more to do with the off-screen scandals rather than the film itself.) For the longest time, Rex Harrison was my only real portrayal of Caesar. (Julius, not to be confused with Caligula, which is a whole 'nuther type of review....although, I do love me some Malcolm McDowell and Helen Mirren!) And, while I still love him in that role, I do have to admit that a large part of that love is seeped in nostalgia, as he's pretty much just playing Henry Higgins as Julius Caesar. Richard Burton, on the other hand....Ooh la la! Let's just say that my love for Mark Antony as a character and historical figure is mostly due to that man's performance in Cleopatra. Don't get me wrong, James Purefoy was nothing short of amazing in the role, and I love that actor beyond words, but he's just slightly hedged out of the top Antony spot by Burton. Just a smidge. I also blame my shameless bias on Anne of the Thousand Days, as I've also been a huge fan of that film since I was a little girl which resulted in me becoming a hard-core Burton fangirl. At any rate, for the longest time I didn't care to watch Rome, as I thought it was just going to be pure trash. Obviously I wasn't worried too much about historical accuracy - hence my continued love for Cleopatra - but I didn't want to see these characters tarnished by "lesser performances". I'm glad that I finally watched this series, as otherwise I would've never known just how wrong I was. Like, there is not a term in any language to ever be spoken in the history of mankind that could come close to describing how wrong I was! Not even Tolkien himself could've managed to come up with a adequate way to verbalize my wrong-ness in regard to my assumptions about Rome. To be honest, if I'd bothered looking at the casting for this show then I would've known better much sooner. But, alas, I instead focused on the snickering of those fans who only wanted to talk about the nudity and penis jokes. As if a show about Rome wouldn't have penis references within it! Needless to say, if I'd known that Ciarán Hinds, an actor I have loved for quite some time now - and not just because of GoTs, which totally screwed his character over.....to the show-only fans, Mance is still very much alive in the books. Although, that might not long be the case depending just how trustworthy Ramsay SNOW is - was playing Julius Caesar then I would have most likely watched this from day one! His portrayal is chilling. This is a talented actor showing us the extent of his craft and doing so in such a way that even int he most serious of scenes you can still tell that he's having fun in this role. The man is outright tickled to be where he is and it shines through beautifully. Sometimes I can love a mediocre actor who's obviously having fun in a role they've been cast in - like The Rock, for example - so to have an actually talented thespian give off those vibes is a true delight. I still love my Rex Harrison Caesar, but he's been well overshadowed with Hinds' performance. Rome wasn't just a TV show. It was an experience and it's one which I recommend to everyone I know. Also, my apologies for the length of my post. I tend to be a bit long-winded at times. If you did manage to slough through all of my inane babbling, then you have my upmost appreciation. ....as well as my pity. ;)
People forget Caesar wasn't there to pardon Pompey just because of politics, they were friends and even family at one point. Pompey was married to Caesar's daughter Julia and according to sources he loved her intensely, more so than anyone he ever loved before or after. Pompey neglected his projects so regularly just to be with her that other prominent Roman men started mocking him for "going soft". When Julia died during childbirth, the grief of the tragedy ruined the relationship between Caesar and Pompey, which facilitated the Civil War later on. Caesar's shock to seeing Pompey's head wasn't performative or Roman nationalism, he lost someone who once was close to him.
Accurate, Ceasar was very upset to see Pompey's head: possibly because he was sad that his "worthy adversary" and old friend had been murdered by someone else, and possibly Pompey would have been much more use alive as captive. Maybe both...
And also because Ptolemy just escalated Caesar's campaign from a civil war that he had already won to a few more years of war in Africa because no way Rome would let the death of a consul go un answered. Even if Caesar wanted Pompey dead, he'd have to avenge Pompey because you don't just behead a consul of Rome and get away with it. Especially if you are not even a Roman.
Loved this show so much. Would have loved to see HBO continue thru the Julio Claudian dynasties after Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius and ending with Nero.
Back in the day wherever you were in Europe it was sufficient to say "civis romanus sum" (I am a roman citizen) and everyone around you was frightened enough to treat you with respect and honour.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 You'd have to go as far as Persia before there were real issues. And Romans traded with India or rather the kingdoms that were in what's now modern India regularly and had some sway there.
A Roman citizen, even an enemy of the state, was not to be harmed by non-Romans. And even as an enemy, Pompey was supposed to be treated with respect that a Consul was supposed to receive, even if he was being perused.
Lux Dolor If you’re talking about the show, I think In the scene after this he appears to shed a genuine tear at Pompey’s funeral/cremation. It’s possible that he only did it because he knew people were watching, but I think that that was the show trying to show us he really cared for Pompey. If you’re talking about reality, there’s no way we can ever really know. I like to think it was a bit of both. He wanted Pompey alive because they were former friends and allies, but also because he wanted to make a big show out of forgiving and pardoning him in order to improve his image to the Roman people, just like he has pardoned Brutus and Cicero and others.
One of the most beautifully filmed docu -drama so historically acurate! One of HBOs finest series ever! Each actor was outstanding! Lavish sets and bold directing made this a must see! They don't make them like this anymore!!
Ciaran Hinds is such an incredible actor that to this day I don't know if he is angry because his friend died, he is angry because his vassel so non chalantly killed a Roman aristo or because he has to spend the next few years cleaning up Egypt and the leftover Pompei faction. All we know for sure is that he IS angry because he was a consul of Rome!
some historians have demonstrated a reason to believe he really wasn't terribly distraught over the execution of Pompey but saw an opportunity for political leverage against the Ptolemaes.
@@TheBigMclargehuge Oh yeah, I read something similar. I really appreciate what Ciaran (and the writing) is doing. Even his performance of his death communicates all 3 of the things he allegedly said (or Shakespeare wrote) before dying "Et Tu Brutus?" When he looks at Tobias Menzies. "But this is violence" when he is first stabbed. Communicated purely by his look of shock. And finally: nothing which is what he actually says in the show. Despite its many flaws, still a great show.
Shame on the house of HBO for canceling ROME. Shame.
Wait there were supposed to be more seasons? :O
the shows budget was too high, why shame.
@@arhamsaa I think it wasnt high enough or we would have more battle scenes
@Matthew R. Mendez "downfall of rome after octavian"? But best years of Rome's prosperity were roughly 150 years after octavian
"But.. you wanted (insert other TV shows)"
The intro to this scene makes it even better. Ceasar endures the antics of the boy king and his sleazy advisors for the sake of diplomacy. Once he sees the head of his great rival and fellow Roman general, his demeanor changes from casual disdain to utter contempt. All niceties are gone.
Flawless acting performance.
I concur but for some reason i couldn't find it on TH-cam anymore. Maybe it got deleted
Great rival but also a friend.
@@mickywanderer8276 Also a great reason to bust Egypt's balls for money and influence. Which is exactly what he ended up doing.
If you didn't have Roman authority and harmed a Roman, especially a high-ranking one, Rome would not take it well even if you intended to get on its good side by doing a favor for another influential Roman. Only Romans had the right to harm other Romans from their point of view.
The Romans revered Alexander the Great, but typically had less-than-great opinions about his successor nations. The Ptolemy Dynasty were seen as a bunch of weak inbred scum in their eyes.
When you're so badass, that even people with swords are scared when you're yelling at their king and his court.
Yep he is thier king but you are the king of their king
I mean... he's motherfucking CAESAR.
Anyone from any civilization at the time should tremble if he's enraged in front of you.
Ave Caesar! Ave Roma!
That wasn't the king, the little boy was the king. That was the advisor...
Romans respected Alexander the Great, but typically despised his successors' kingdoms.
The only reason why I would teach history is to shout HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME when one of the students asks who Pompey was.
I often talk randomly about pompey around my friends waiting for someone to ask who pompey was, then i will show them this video.
most of the senators were consuls at some point but that would still be worth it.
"Shame on the house of (insert students last name) for their ignorance. Shame."
@@DomR1997 "But...you are enemies."
Lmao you’ll never talk about Pompey or Caesar in public school. Good luck crowbarring this quote into Holocaust lecture #5,000
When you play Rome Total War and you’re best General, ten stars, ends up dying on the battlefield. He Was a Consul of Rome!
A toast to my two conquerors of Gaul, Brittania, Iberia and Africa. Rest in peace Consul Ivus Amassivus Cockus and Co Consul Melicus Titus Fannius.
@@LookHereMars you forgot Biggus Dickus
@@LookHereMars ah shit, I can't make out what do their names mean out of every ridiculous name the comments of the biggus dickis video had to offer
>Losing a general
>Not loading last save
can't relate
@@tFighterPilot casual
Shame on the House of Ptolemies for such barbarity. Shame.
But...you are enemies
@@coleduncan2990 HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME.
@@alexandrine1558 A consul of rome
Where is the rest of him?
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That was actually how the event went down as recorded tho.
Despite the civil war and with Caesar obviously winning, Pompey fled towards the Libyan coast and headed towards Egypt to seek protection while Caesar was chasing him. As per culture, being that both were consul of Rome, only one can take one's life themselves if the other gives it up upon a loss on the battlefield and Caesar knew that. Thus his aim of going to Egypt was to force Pompey to retire his old bones from politics and pass all his men, military might and promise full support for Caesar's own political campaign.
When he reached Alexandria, he was told that Ptolemy XIII has "a gift" for him and presumably was the news of Pompey's whereabout and was okay to a parlay with intention to surrender thus Caesar went.
When Caesar entered, he didn't show much interest in the small talks of what the Pharoah's men had to say but still had to play along but kept prodding about his business in Egypt. Suddenly, the men of the pharoah brought out a gold plate with a colche over it and presented it to Caesar. Caesar, bemused, opened it only to realize that the head of Pompey was right on the plate and in the pure shock, he recoiled back and nearly stumbled.
Ptolemy was confused and asked if Caesar liked the gift. Caesar, now furious, started lashing out the famous line "No matter what, he's a consul of Rome. A CONSUL OF ROME and no consul will ever, EVER be treated like a barbarian like that outside of Rome!", took Pompey's head carefully, sent it back to Rome and buried it with full military and state honors.
@Alex Pokrandt His intention in Egypt wasn't to end Pompey's life. He's there to "arrest" Pompey and ensure that Pompey would never stamp him out ever again and swear fealty to him.
Pompey himself also didn't wanna kill Caesar as he had sentimental value towards Caesar. Both started to fight each other was nothing more than political play and a force of circumstances and nothing more.
yeap, Ceasar was many things, but he was surprisingly chill (mostly towards fellow Romans, but still)
@@ItsAweeb I mean, it's mostly showmanship. Rome's politics were mostly that. And it's also how you express your soft power. Being okay with a high Roman figure being butchered by a tributary state is not something that Caesar could really afford. Showing this anger and 'honoring' his late enemy costed him very little at that point and cemented both his and Roma's prestige.
It's hard to know whether he was really angry for the fact that a tributary state dared to did that, he actually still cared about Pompey or if it was just pure theatrics.
@@augustus4832 I mean of course it was, were talking about the latin (and greek) worlds here. (Heck the triumph as concept alone is ridiculously stupid, but still cool concept and is honestly nothing but theatrical nonsense with a hint of truth in em)
But the important part is that the mercy that is given usually was honored, which personally i think is respectable
@@augustus4832 At least one person understood this scene.
I'd support a petition to reboot Rome with the initial intended 6 seasons and Bruno Heller at the helm.
I want to see other time periods portrayed, like the reigns of Trajan or Aurelian. Also, a Byzantine season might be cool.
they definitely need to do another similar show, perhaps at the height of egypt or something
Six? I thought there was supposed to be four.
A new I, Claudius series with Timothy Spall in the lead role would be excellent
Bruno Heller's too busy with that useless spinoff to House of the Dragon nobody asked for... seriously, who pitched "young Corlys Velaryon"
Shame on TH-cam for removing the original video shame
Lol!
That was a good one lol, shame on them
😂
Why was it removed? It was years old by the time they got rid of it.
@@connorgolden4 welcome to the fuckery of TH-cam.
I love how this scene perfectly sums up the Roman attitude. You could be a Roman thief, a roman tyrant, a roman nobody, but Jupiter help the barbarian- prince or king or priest- who lays his hand on you.
If you need to be dealt with, the ROMANS will deal with you. Everyone else hands off.
The funniest, IMO, example of this is inthe New Testament. Paul is arrested in Jerusalem, condemned by the crowd, and literally right as they're about to start whipping him he goes "btw...do you have permission to do this to a Roman Citizen?"
They immediately let him go and freak out that they so much as arrested him.
To add to that, 40 men from the crowd plan to assassinate Paul but the plot is leaked to the Romans. Upon hearing of the assassination plot against their prisoner, the Romans evacuate Paul with an armed guard of 470 men under the cover of night. Roman citizenship has its perks
HE WAS A HERETIC!!! OF ROME!!!!!
Well said
Sounds like America
@@sheiruto1058 You mispelled humanity
Ciaran Hinds was literally born to play this Role. He makes the whole first season by himself.
He's so fucking incredible.
Yeah but Anthony kinda stole his show everytime he was on screen
@@y.r._ They complimented each other nicely. Actually every main character in Season 1 was perfectly acted
@@contecgames6225 I agree; I think James Purefoy was brilliant as Mark Antony, as was Hinds as Cæsar
no that was absolutely figurative.
It doesn't matter how bad the civil war is, you NEVER allow foreign groups kill a head-of-state. An attack on a Consul is an attack on Rome, and decapitating that consul and serving it to another would be utterly sacrilege.
You actually buy the propaganda? Caesar crossed the Rubicon and meddled in the affairs of the gods, remember? He didn't give two shits about sacrilege. All he wanted was an excuse to invade, and played the part. Brilliantly, may I add.
The main point for ceasar at least was that he wished to try and get Pompey to come back to Rome and bend the knee at which point he would likely forgive him. This also pisses him off because the egyptians presumed to know what he wanted and overstepped the boundaries by rendering judgement on a prisoner that was not theirs to render judgment on.
I mean he was your enemy but he was still a citizen of your nation. It'd be like discovering your politcal opponent was brutally tortured to death by somebody who turns to you and goes "I did this for you, you're welcome!" It's like dude.
@@Sablus Also just the Roman mentality at the time was Rome > everyone else. The worst Roman citizen is higher than a barbarian King, and a Consul of Rome was fit to only die at the hands of another great Roman.
It seems historians cannot agree on what exactly happened.
Was Caesar genuinely mad? Because Pompeii had been a long time friend.
Was Caesar feigning anger, but was in fact happy that someone else did the deed and took the blame?
Was Caesar feigning anger, in order to depose the Egyptian pharaoh in favor of Cleopatra?
There is an argument for all three positions. They had been friends for many years, it was even bound by marriage for a number of years until an untimely death during child birth. But seeing as they were friends, and considering Pompeii's support in Rome. Maybe Caesar was struggling to find a solution to, ''what to do with Pompeii'', and was happy that someone else took the blame.
Maybe Caesar just took the opportunity to get into conflict with the Egyptians, in order to install Cleopatra on the Egyptian throne.
In a parallel universe, Rome runs for 8 seasons and Game of Thrones is cancelled after 2 seasons.
Well GOT season 3&4 were the best sooooo….try again?
@@tayrazor3325 it wouldnt have broken our heart so badly if these seasons wasnt as good friend. I be happeir without their existence
@@lukelim5094 so it’d be better if they never existed because you’re upset at season 8 and therefore it makes you even madder rewatching the original seasons? I don’t understand this because regardless what you think of s. 8, 1-4 were fantastic
@@tayrazor3325 yes they were but it doesn't matter when the other half of the show is crap and completely fumbled the ending
@@jacobwhitley3767 “Season 8 was bad and therefore that makes all the other seasons the same level of bad” Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Am I the only one who randomly yells out "HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!" sometimes?
No I do it to myself all of the tjmr
no comrade you are not alone.
It never fails in work meetings.
Glad Im not alone on this one
Tec-9 holder did you copy this comment from somewhere else? I know I’ve seen it somewhere else but somewhat differently.
A series of HBO. To be cut short in such a sordid way.
Quartered like some cheap series.
Shame. Almost as Shameful as the seventh season of Game of Thrones.
well the story continues in the 70s show "i, claudius"
@@trollege9618 like some lowly Netflix series. Shame!
@@fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Highly recommended!
I think this is secretly also a case of "Never meet your heroes". The House of Ptolemies were Pharaohs of Egypt since Egypt bequeathed itself to Alexander during his conquest of Persia, which he passed the title on to one of his best friends Ptolemy. Being essentially the last surviving Kingdoms of the Diadochi, Ptolemaic Egypt was very prestigious in the eyes of the Roman Republic, who admired Alexander. Caesar too admired Alexander, but when he discovered just how Macedonian politics worked with Pompey's severed head, he was absolutely stunned that something he might've respected and admired for so many years could turn out to be as barbaric as the tribes of Europe just beyond Rome's own borders.
It’s interesting too, how the “barbaric” tribes gave Caesar such a headache. I believe Caesar called the Celtic Belgae tribe (who lived in where we call Belgium) the toughest fighters he fought against. The Germans showed at Teutoburg Forest how advanced they were in coordinating such an attack.
My point is that despite not having cities or culture like Rome, these peoples fought almost as well as Rome and resisted her for so long
@@Zach-mw5so While the tribes North of the Alps and West of the Rhine both had cities and culture, they weren't comparable to the grandeur and awe of major Roman cities. The Gauls and Celts of Hispania, Gallia, and Britannia had fortified cities called oppidums, and the Germans had *burgaz, which were essentially the same thing (it's also why we call certain places "-burg", e.g. Hamburg").
Once such German city was known as Mattium, which isn't properly located in the modern day but is hypothesized to have lied north of the Eder River between the Matzoff and Ems Rivers. After Arminius' betrayal at Teutoburg, approximately 35,000 Roman legionaries (seven extra-strength Legions) marched on Mattium, surrounded it, and burned it with those who couldn't escape trapped inside.
@@kristofevarsson6903 I’ve heard too, that the reason in ancient history you had so many advanced states in Mediterranean basin and Middle East (Greece, Egypt, Rome, Persia, etc) was because of the warm climate. I think that this was because of the lack of the iron plough which wasn’t invented until the 700s or so.
With the iron plow the more cold northern climates were able to produce more agriculture, thus affording to the growth of advanced cities and thus advanced culture. Of course Rome left behind so much in terms of trade, language, and even physical ruins that it served as a model for them to look on
Your comment is really well put together. Are you a historian?
@@Dexroid I don't think I can call myself a historian - someone else has to give me that title for me to deserve it. I _AM_ an avid student of world history, mythology, civics, and language. I will give myself a small title, "Óðinn's Favored Student" - he has stricken me with the madness for learning. If knowledge were a sea, I'd be a fish.
5 people don't know that Pompey was a consul of Rome.
1 guy did his research and retracted lol.
@@LookHereMars Lol! So true.
@@LookHereMars The Senate has voted to pardon him for his past digression.
Shame on you tube for removing the public viewing of the dislike button
I just realized Posca move forward to protect Ceasar when Egyptians about to unsheath their weapons.
Posca is interesting just from the perspective that he had greater power and protection as a slave then a freed man. Loved his character and the dynamic between him and caesar
That was the duty of any slave, especially one beloved by Caesar. I loved the scene, but I think he should have had a couple burly Roman personal guards behind him who reacted to Ptolemy's guards with the expression of "oh yeah, let's do this"
@@Rikalonius well vorenus and pullo were right outside
Posca is a great character
@@Rikalonius At the same time, he knew he really wasn't in any danger. Should he have died, Egypt would have been salted.
(Well, not literally, because Rome needed Egyptian grain but still, the general idea.)
Ciaran Hinds is such an imposing actor. Absolutely perfect for this part.
He has the regal bearing to play Caesar. I’ve seen him portrayed other times as just an arrogant douchebag, which clearly seems out of place.
This really illustrates the real Caesar here. It's documented by multiple people of the time, including his generals and Cicero, that he was not only super respectful when it came to authority figures of other factions and nations, 99% of the time he spared their lives. One of the only exceptions was Vercingetorix, for obvious reasons.
He wasn't a Consul of Rome
A lot of Americans in these comments seem pretty Ignorant. I can see how they had Trump as their President. This is a TV Show, not a History Book written by a reputable historian. Fact is, is that he was a War Criminal and Murderer like all Roman Emporers were. Like Vikings they were Pagens who slaughtered, tortured and raped innocent men, women and children. If any of you were put into Roman Society today you wouldn't be happy or free, you would be living a life like a slave under the Rules and Laws of a Dictator who could have you killed, inprisoned or accused of anything at anytime and you would be put to death and burned alive as a Heretic at the stake just for being a Christian or an Athiest.
Clementia Caesaris
Bro got name of a Disney villan💀
It was among the Romans. It was real posca shit.
Imagine if this show just kept going on to the final days of the eastern Roman Empire that would be the most epic show of all time
Seasons 4-30 synopsis: and then the praetorians assassinated him and got paid a shit ton of money by the next guy
@@MrMogwaiMan
that's painfully true but you'd have to include the few emperors that cleaned house and restarted the praetorian guard only to have the same shit happen.
@@BeansAndWeens Seasons 4-30 synopsis: and then the praetorians assassinated him and got paid a shit ton of money by the next guy to not kill him, season 16 and 24 they have the praetorians sacked or killed, get new guys in, then they conspire to kill the emperor because bribes are nice. Season 33 Emperor Aurelian dies and there's a 15min long screed about how they almost fucking turned it around, they were so close to greatness, then Season 36 Constantine has the praetorians killed after ascending, then season 37 is Constantine just getting a giant migraine from all the different christians bickering
Turkey would probably boycott the show since you're not supposed to talk about The Ottoman Empire
@@MrMogwaiMan
then the fall of Rome happens and nobody is happy.
The crazy thing is this actually happened. You would think the Ptolemies would have simply captured his enemy. Then sent a messenger letting him know. " Hey Caesar what's up !? " " We caught your enemy what do you want us to do with him? " He was worth more alive as he would have given them some leverage politically.
I think they acted how they would have treated a civil war of egipt
We're talking about a Greek dynasty who fought with other Greek dynasties doing the same things, we would just call it "force of habit".
@@trla6505 I am sure but if so ridiculous. They were getting involved in an external affair. You can't assume a foreign ruler would react the same way you would.
@@MrlspPrt Indeed but still foolish.
@@stevengreen9536 That's what happen when your kingdom is ruled by a child and a bunch of self-serving sycophant. They were so used to do whatever they want with impunity that they probably never bothered thinking about the consequences.
I love how at first, Caesar is perfectly calm as he shames the Egyptians. It is only after Ptolemy's advisor protests that he loses his cool and you hear the real anger in his voice. Ciaran Hinds was great as Julius.
Julius Chad Caesar
I had no context and within an instant I recognized Julius Ceasar.
Now that's a masterful actor.
0.5x at the “HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME” makes it even better
Unbiased History
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Dovahhatty
Lol any drunken history fans?
Lmao man sounds absolutely sloshed.
At the beginning you can really see the thought process going on inside ceaser's head: 'I must not burn down all of Egypt. I must not burn down all of Egypt! They couldn't have known and we really do need that grain, but by the gods someone is going to pay dearly for this!'
Cringe speculation I 🗿
ceaser?
Lol.
@@jamacelmoge1444 no
Historia Civilis
My boy Caesar
Never felt sadder for a red and orange box
André Sap He brought me hear to 😂
I couldn't stay subscribed after...
SPOILER ALERT!
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... the death of Caesar. 😔
My boy Caesar never would have pulled stuff like this.
The fact is... Caesar was planning on FORGIVING his old friend for taking up arms against him, but to then to go from thinking “final we can put this behind us and be friends and brothers once more” to seeing the mutilated remains of him... Might Caesar’s heart did nearly burst!
Forgiving?
You might forget...
Caesar was the bad guy in this!
Most near it quite vanquish'd him!
@@K_1_T_S_U_N_E And yet, the only reason why the conspirators could be around to murder him in cold blood was because he'd forgiven them and straight-up GIVEN them back their jobs after they tried to have him executed the first time. Nothing's as black and white as it at first seems.
@@K_1_T_S_U_N_E he was big on clemency, when it suited him, and forgiving him could mean that Ceasar's enemies would probably surrender and the civil war would be over. Besides, forgiving your opponents in wars gives you a nice public image.
@@K_1_T_S_U_N_E why was he bad? he gave a lot of right to the common people and improved their lives. Sure, he acted against the Senate, but the Senate did not represent the people. I'd argue, since the day the Gracus' brothers were murder, the Republic was meant to fail
That moment when my respect for Caesar went up 1000%.
His balls like a melons
Italian man yells at poor African boy
circa 69 BC Colorized
I get the joke but king Ptolemy the XIII was greek along with the entire Ptolemaic dynasty.
@@getass3290 that's even worse
@@carlomagno7092 in historical context perhaps
@@getass3290 Ah yes but born and raised in Africa in the same way brits and many euros here call themselves Americans
@@vsedai key words are call themselves it doesn't mean they are most of those people who call themselves Americans are british and we know this except for in a self identifying census either way united statesian isn't an ethnicity but greek is Ptolemy was definitely a greek nobody doubts this and their arnt any technicalities to this
If the Greeks have "THIS IS SPARTA!", the Italians have their "HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!"
In all honesty, Gaius Julius Caesar loved Pompey like a brother and as a result, he never wanted him dead nor imprisoned, just retired out of any career of governmental level. But what Caesar really hated was the face of anyone who killed a Roman.
More like a father figure. Father-in-Law before Caesar's wife died.
I find that hard to believe. He killed any romans who defied him. He probably acted as if he was sad that pompey died so that his followers would change sides.
That awkward moment when you enrage the most powerful, most ruthless, most brilliant man leading the most powerful most ruthless most brilliant empire in existence.
And on top of that, you already owed him a lot of money.
In short, they were Fucked.
Rome were still a republic
@@ahmadsultan4643 true but still constitutes an Empire just didn’t have an emperor. Although you can make the argument that after pharslus the republic was dead in all but name.
Like Mongols and kwarism
@@hiteshkumar.v461 that’s one of my all time favorite moments in history the ultimate “ in that moment they knew they fucked up” moments
Caesar said calmly.
Civis Romanus Sum
Teach I think he said “I am a Roman citizen”
I love how after all these years Rome as a show still endures as such a great show even though short lived
He was a consul of rome !The freedom to make his own mistakes was all that he ever wanted!
By far, without a doubt, my FAVOURITE portrayal of Gaius Julius Caesar I have ever seen. Ciaran Hinds is a treasure.
I love the scene where they bring the guy who killed him, and put him infront of ceasar. In the beginning, u could see he was proud, and certain that ceasar would reward him, but when he saw that ceasar looked angry, and ceasars bodyguards started to surround him, he got scared
I felt that last “shame!”
*When the Godfather cuts off my horses' head*
Me: HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!
Hail Incitatus!
Amazing acting in that show. Shame there weren't more seasons. IT WAS A GLORIOUS DEPICTION OF ROME! GLORIOUS DEPICTION OF ROME!
*BREAKS NINTENDO SWITCH*
Caesar: IT WAS A CONSOLE OF ROME!
Rome deserved that 8 seasons instead of fiction and fantasy tv series like GoT
Dat moment when you realize you lost your best chance of ending the civil war quickly and that you have to spend another couple of years campaigning in Africa and Spain.
is it too hard to type a t h you low IQ ingrate?
Every now and then you wake up at 5am and the first thought in your head is "Shame on the House of Ptolemies for such barbarity," and you just can't help but rewatch this scene for the 1037th time.
One of the greatest shows in the history of television.
I love how the British actors play the Roman characteres. Yes! The British people may lock down on the current heirs or Rome, whom they condescend to call "Mediteranean", but when they make a TV show or a movie about Rome, they have no rival on giving them dignity, decorum and pride.
Hes irish. 🤡
@@666Kaca Oh,sorry! I'm still not able to distinguish all the accents in English. When I was younguer, I wished I could have been, but I lost hope a long time ago. Anyway, Ireland is a British island isn't it? Something similar happened with Spain and Portugal until the French popularized the term "Iberian Peninsula" in the 19th century. Until then most people called Spain to the Iberian peninsula. And so the Portuguese were not Spanish but their country was in Spain. When you read the ancient texts about it, it is quite confusing. The Portuguese Luis Vaz de Camoês wrote "The Portuguese are very strong people from Spain." As Portugal had been a different country since centuries before, the phrase still today gives rise to misunderstandings.
@@atunaco ooof thats a controversial statement to make, dont let any british ppl catch this comment. Iberia is a name that dates back to 5th or 4th century BC iirc, greeks(and later romans) used it to refer to the peninsula long before the french existed. Portugal was founded by a spanish prince from a french noble house but im gonna need a source for that quote
@@666Kaca Somewhere I have read that the Greeks called this part of Europe "Ophiusa", which means land of snakes. The Phoenicians called it "Hispania", land of rabbits. The Greeks themselves, aware that "Ofiusa" did not attract potential settlers, decided to adopt the Phoenician name. When the Romans arrived in the territory to fight the Carthaginians, they landed in the Greek colony of Ampurias and continued using the name of Hispania for their new conquest.
I believe that some Greek geographer refers to the peninsula by mentioning the name "Iberia" because of the main river that flows into the Mediterranean which he called "Iberúm" and which we now know as "Ebro". The second possibility is that the name was given from one of the tribes that inhabited, the peninsula, but today it is considered that they only occuped a small strip of the territory and that their importance was reduced to a small area. Not many documents have survived to this day, but most of the ones we have from Rome refer to the peninsula as Hispania.
You know how it is with the British. They don't like being reminded of the fact that they were ruled by the Romans, and they always seek to portray themselves as Rome's heir.
"I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"
I love at how at the line 'he was a consul of rome' the Egyptian royal Guardsman and the general both approach and draw their weapons and poor Julius only has middle aged and weaponless Posca come to his side but Caesar's presence alone is enough to make them back down.
Maybe it's cause he caught his breath and calmed down a bit
@@warbler1984 he could only shout for his guards, and his soldiers would come, but Egypt would never dare to hurt Ceasar anyway.
Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo were right outside
Context: Caeser treated his fellow consuls with great respect and honour, like watching from the sidelines as a mob poured feces down the throat of his co-consul Bibilus
Teacher: "Today we're going to learn about Julius Caesar and Pompey Magnus"
Girls: Eww boring, who's that?
Me and the boys in our Lorica Hamata's:
*HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!!*
I did a Q&A seminar not long back before the Covid outbreak for College history students in the U.K about Caesar and his Civil War. And during answering a question from a student about Pompeys death at the hands of the Egyptians a young lad in the audience shouted out HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME. We all had a good laugh at that.
@@LookHereMars cool story bro
Cringe
@@NoumenalSoup What is with you idiots writing "cringe" on everything?
@@frantictoast3741
you stopped being a roman citizen as soon as you posted that.
HE WAS A CONSULE OF ROME!!! a consule of Rome .
CG MAN
To die in this sordid way quartered like some low thief. Shame.
It’s spelled “consul”, just remove the “e”
yes we saw the video
If my PS2 ever breaks down I'll be screaming "HE WAS A CONSOLE OF ROME"
@Roniixx thief!
Same feeling to it as "MAJOR LENNOX ANSWERED WITH HIS LIFE!!"
his performance gets me coming back any now and then to yell he was a consul of rome along with him in honour to the hero of rome
HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME !!!!! Those words had the weight of a thousand swords, forceful enough to drive those sycophants back five paces. What a great actor!
I liked how the eunuch was hiding behind the child pharaoh. Imagine the surprise of whoever castrated him, to discover he had no balls to begin with!
This show was really a gem. I was so mad it was not renewed, but it is part of my collection now and I can relive some of the wonderful acting, like this scene, whenever I wish.
When my best friend gets rejected by his crush.
0:15
That's the face of a kid who knows he just messed up big time. Excellent acting 😂
Caesar dreamed to defeat all their enemies and then reunite them all as their friends again, despite their military genius on that we was to inocent and he pay that with his life at the very senate, the fact that he could be 50 time stabbed without anybody guard near him and without a sword to defend himself rembember he was still a very skilled soldier gives you the idea of the level of trust that Cesar had with the ones he spared
The power you can wield when you by shouting can make a whole room fill their trousers
Ptolemy breaks Caeser's Xbox... "IT WAS A CONSOLE OF ROME!"
A mighty lion among sniveling jackals.
A slightly less sniveling (or maybe just psychopathic) jackal among the slightly more sniveling jackals. Rome was a slaver empire, and as such is no more honorable than Arab or African slaver empires of the more modern times.
@@IvanDmitriev1 There is nothing I hate more than when I make a rhetorical metaphor and then someone tries to be clever by playing around with the metaphor to counter it with some dumb point. You live in a nation/state/country. One lucky enough to have survived the modern era. Probably one with a long history of atrocities committed against other nations/states/countries/peoples. Atrocities like war, slavery in some form or another, and theft of land and resources. And you benefit from those atrocities. The only difference between you and the people that run your state and allow these atrocities to be committed is that they have the audacity to actually affect society, while you sit back doing nothing to fix the atrocities, condemning the things that are your privileges. If they're sniveling jackals, you are a rat.
Rome is BY FAR the greatest history drama i've seen EVER.
This scene have same feel with
MAJOR LENNOX ANSWER WITH HIS LIFE!!!
For those who don’t know:
When Gneo Pompeo Magno (Consul of Rome) was at war with Giulio Cesare (another Consul of Rome), he escaped to egypt. But at that time Tolomeo (brother of Cleopatra and Pharaoh), to make Cesare his friend, ordered the murder of Gneo Pompeo Magno. When Giulio Cesare discovered it, (it’s said that) he cried for his brave and honourable enemy, killed in a shameful way. Then he killed Tolomeo and put cleopatra in power :)
Gneo?
@@petervarga7755 yes, Gneo. His full name was Gneo Pompeo Magno (in Latin Gneus Pompeus Magno)
@@DaCubanCrokodile gnaeus pompeius magnus
@@petervarga7755 depends in which Latin you call him. In the end, is the same thing
@@DaCubanCrokodile which latin? Maybe declinations, but then it's a masculine person in nueter
shame on HBO for being able to do such serious series yet never going all the way with them
**Breathes in**
0:11 at 0.5x speed
"HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!"
Came here from Overlord IV
Ainz: Shame on the nobles of the Re-Estize kingdom for such barbarity.
Nobles: But Zanac was your enemy.
Ainz: HE WAS THE CONSUL OF THE RE-ESTIZE KINGDOM!!!
@@angelb.823 HE WAS YOUR KING!
@@Excalibur01 Ainz: A true ruler. To die in this sordid way, quartered like some low thief. Shame!
Side note, if I were Ainz, would’ve also told Aura to tell Neouronist: “To use these witless vermin to prepare for me a symphony of sorrow. May a grand orchestra of anguish and despair echo throughout the Great Tomb of Nazarick’s mighty halls! For only with such sweet music, will the fury currently burning within my weary soul be quenched.
The energy of shouting "a Consul of Rome" to Egypt is the equivalent of shouting "a Merchant of Britain" to the Empire of the Qing in the 1830s
@Anon Anon and China wasn't with the British Empire?
@@robholloway6829 Haha it's so funny how ppl are always "no british empire bad" and "they invented the slave trade" while glorifying tf out of the mass-enslaving Romans
Except one has no political power and the other is basically a head of state of Rome.
This series was so good. I hate it ended prematurely.
From what I get from reading a translation of Octavian’s recollection of things, Caesar was more pissed off because he wanted Pompey alive and brought to trial since him being returned would of made his claim to power more legit and would of spun things to force his rivals to reconsider opposing him.
Him getting angry was a quick way for him to do damage control on his plans and demanding justice by citing his position forced those who opposed him into a corner. Either appeal to Roman patriotism or risk being branded as a traitor.
I think you're right. Ceasar wrote 'The Gallic Wars' and 'The Civil Wars' to embellish his own accomplishments and spread his narrative to the Romans. The end of 'The Civil Wars' is, I believe, where we get the info about how upset Ceasar was after Pompey was killed. So we have to look at this from the perspective of what Ceaser wanted the Romans to think of him.
I love how when Caesar goes off on these plebs, the Egyptian guards grab their swords in defense. If he wanted to, all Caesar would have to do is snap his fingers and his legions would slaughter everyone in sight.
Funny thing - the Egyptian campaign was actually a close affair for Ceaser that nearly ended in disaster due to the fact his legions weren't present.
Then Caesar and his legions would be promptly killed by the hordes of Greco-Egyptian soldiers in the capitol before they could ever get to their ships.
Not only he was a Consul of Rome, he is also one of the greatest general that Rome ever had
The barely suppressed rage is great. You can see the barely restrained fury in Caesar's eyes as he realizes that some random foreigners thought it was acceptable to kill a Roman official in his name.
By far the best line in the whole series. Sum it all up. Thanks for the post
My history teacher: "Who was Lucius Junius Brutus?"
Me:
As a child I loved big, epic movies. Cleopatra was a personal favorite of mine, which is funny given that it's considered to be the movie that ended the massive, epic films due to being a box office disaster. (Although, personally speaking I think that had more to do with the off-screen scandals rather than the film itself.)
For the longest time, Rex Harrison was my only real portrayal of Caesar. (Julius, not to be confused with Caligula, which is a whole 'nuther type of review....although, I do love me some Malcolm McDowell and Helen Mirren!) And, while I still love him in that role, I do have to admit that a large part of that love is seeped in nostalgia, as he's pretty much just playing Henry Higgins as Julius Caesar.
Richard Burton, on the other hand....Ooh la la!
Let's just say that my love for Mark Antony as a character and historical figure is mostly due to that man's performance in Cleopatra. Don't get me wrong, James Purefoy was nothing short of amazing in the role, and I love that actor beyond words, but he's just slightly hedged out of the top Antony spot by Burton. Just a smidge.
I also blame my shameless bias on Anne of the Thousand Days, as I've also been a huge fan of that film since I was a little girl which resulted in me becoming a hard-core Burton fangirl.
At any rate, for the longest time I didn't care to watch Rome, as I thought it was just going to be pure trash. Obviously I wasn't worried too much about historical accuracy - hence my continued love for Cleopatra - but I didn't want to see these characters tarnished by "lesser performances".
I'm glad that I finally watched this series, as otherwise I would've never known just how wrong I was.
Like, there is not a term in any language to ever be spoken in the history of mankind that could come close to describing how wrong I was! Not even Tolkien himself could've managed to come up with a adequate way to verbalize my wrong-ness in regard to my assumptions about Rome.
To be honest, if I'd bothered looking at the casting for this show then I would've known better much sooner. But, alas, I instead focused on the snickering of those fans who only wanted to talk about the nudity and penis jokes.
As if a show about Rome wouldn't have penis references within it!
Needless to say, if I'd known that Ciarán Hinds, an actor I have loved for quite some time now - and not just because of GoTs, which totally screwed his character over.....to the show-only fans, Mance is still very much alive in the books. Although, that might not long be the case depending just how trustworthy Ramsay SNOW is - was playing Julius Caesar then I would have most likely watched this from day one!
His portrayal is chilling. This is a talented actor showing us the extent of his craft and doing so in such a way that even int he most serious of scenes you can still tell that he's having fun in this role. The man is outright tickled to be where he is and it shines through beautifully.
Sometimes I can love a mediocre actor who's obviously having fun in a role they've been cast in - like The Rock, for example - so to have an actually talented thespian give off those vibes is a true delight.
I still love my Rex Harrison Caesar, but he's been well overshadowed with Hinds' performance.
Rome wasn't just a TV show. It was an experience and it's one which I recommend to everyone I know.
Also, my apologies for the length of my post. I tend to be a bit long-winded at times. If you did manage to slough through all of my inane babbling, then you have my upmost appreciation.
....as well as my pity. ;)
Caesar's plan was to capture Pompeii and then make a public show of pardoning him.
He was playing a political game
Indeed yes
"He was a Consul of Rome!" is a very Roman way of saying, "Only Romans have the right to kill Romans, and even then there has to be good reason(s)."
"good reasons"
lol
read up on roman history.
@@Kalenz1234 I have. I know Romans always liked to frame their wars as "defensive" even when they weren't. Humor me.
@@KTChamberlain Did you forget the context of your own comment?
Man, Ciaran Hinds nailed that role. He and Purefoy created the Caesar and Antony of our generation.
People forget Caesar wasn't there to pardon Pompey just because of politics, they were friends and even family at one point. Pompey was married to Caesar's daughter Julia and according to sources he loved her intensely, more so than anyone he ever loved before or after. Pompey neglected his projects so regularly just to be with her that other prominent Roman men started mocking him for "going soft". When Julia died during childbirth, the grief of the tragedy ruined the relationship between Caesar and Pompey, which facilitated the Civil War later on.
Caesar's shock to seeing Pompey's head wasn't performative or Roman nationalism, he lost someone who once was close to him.
Accurate,
Ceasar was very upset to see Pompey's head: possibly because he was sad that his "worthy adversary" and old friend had been murdered by someone else, and possibly Pompey would have been much more use alive as captive.
Maybe both...
And also because Ptolemy just escalated Caesar's campaign from a civil war that he had already won to a few more years of war in Africa because no way Rome would let the death of a consul go un answered. Even if Caesar wanted Pompey dead, he'd have to avenge Pompey because you don't just behead a consul of Rome and get away with it. Especially if you are not even a Roman.
Loved this show so much. Would have loved to see HBO continue thru the Julio Claudian dynasties after Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius and ending with Nero.
I think most of us who watched it would have liked to see it continue.
MAJOR LENNOX ANSWERED WITH HIS LIFE!!!
Julius Caesar was an ultimate alpha male.
Back in the day wherever you were in Europe it was sufficient to say "civis romanus sum" (I am a roman citizen) and everyone around you was frightened enough to treat you with respect and honour.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 Actually the Apostle Paul used these words in order to get a trial in Rome, due to being a Roman citizen.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 Ehem… see Egypt, Levant, Syria, Anatolia, Mesopotamia under Trajan.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 You'd have to go as far as Persia before there were real issues. And Romans traded with India or rather the kingdoms that were in what's now modern India regularly and had some sway there.
@@thegoldencat9368 Don't forget Armenia. It was independent but was more or less a vassal state of Rome.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 Rome ruled most of the middle east? wtf are you talking about
I always wondered if he really cared for Pompey like he would for a friend, or did this all was just a political move to persuade Romans to his cause.
Could be half n half ... The guy was a brother from the hood man... Even rivals will keep each other... More to his honour code perhaps.
A Roman citizen, even an enemy of the state, was not to be harmed by non-Romans. And even as an enemy, Pompey was supposed to be treated with respect that a Consul was supposed to receive, even if he was being perused.
Both. They were still once friends back in the day.
Lux Dolor If you’re talking about the show, I think In the scene after this he appears to shed a genuine tear at Pompey’s funeral/cremation. It’s possible that he only did it because he knew people were watching, but I think that that was the show trying to show us he really cared for Pompey.
If you’re talking about reality, there’s no way we can ever really know. I like to think it was a bit of both. He wanted Pompey alive because they were former friends and allies, but also because he wanted to make a big show out of forgiving and pardoning him in order to improve his image to the Roman people, just like he has pardoned Brutus and Cicero and others.
Pompey was Ceasars father-in-law
Easily one of the best series ever.
One of the most beautifully filmed docu -drama so historically acurate! One of HBOs finest series ever! Each actor was outstanding! Lavish sets and bold directing made this a must see! They don't make them like this anymore!!
Masterclass in acting
After leading the wildlings and crossing the wall, Mance Rayder became dictator of Rome and took the name Julius Caesar.
*DISDAIN FOR PLEBS*
*G E T I C U S*
Ceaser is supposed to have wept when he saw Pompeiis head
it would have been amazing
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And it was at this moment (0:11) he knew he f**ked up. Also, extra kudos to the advisor for hiding behind the little boy Pharoah
What was he a consul of?
Bilbo swaggins I believe he said Rome...
I think Carthage
Cobrastan, obviously
Germania
Your mom.
Even as his enemy he stuck to his principles and respected him
Ciaran Hinds is such an incredible actor that to this day I don't know if he is angry because his friend died, he is angry because his vassel so non chalantly killed a Roman aristo or because he has to spend the next few years cleaning up Egypt and the leftover Pompei faction. All we know for sure is that he IS angry because he was a consul of Rome!
some historians have demonstrated a reason to believe he really wasn't terribly distraught over the execution of Pompey but saw an opportunity for political leverage against the Ptolemaes.
@@TheBigMclargehuge Oh yeah, I read something similar. I really appreciate what Ciaran (and the writing) is doing. Even his performance of his death communicates all 3 of the things he allegedly said (or Shakespeare wrote) before dying "Et Tu Brutus?" When he looks at Tobias Menzies. "But this is violence" when he is first stabbed. Communicated purely by his look of shock. And finally: nothing which is what he actually says in the show. Despite its many flaws, still a great show.