Twin Flame Psychology: Are They Soulmates Or Trauma Bonds? - Inner Work Library [135/500]
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- Are twin flames real or are they trauma bonds? Twin flame psychology, romantic projection and romantic fantasy are important aspects of twin flame psychology and the healing journey of twin flame relationships. Today we explore the shadow psychology of romantic projection, twin flame relationships and relationship projection - with a specific focus on fantasy psychology and unconscious love dynamics which can be hard to identify when we get wrapped up in the divine feminine and divine masculine.
An especially useful video for individuals who want to learn how to use shadow work to heal their trauma bonds, stop fantasy projection relationships and otherwise remove themselves from dissociative imaginary relationships or unstable twin flame psychology.
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00:00 Are Twin Flames Real?
01:11 Trauma Bonds & Toxic Relationships
02:40 Spiritual Psychology Of Twin Flames (Quran & Bible)
07:52 Internet Hype & New Age Psychology
12:02 Romantic Fantasy & Limerence Explained
17:03 How To Create A Soulful Relationship
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Topics explored: shadow work; romantic projection; romantic projection psychology; romantic shadow; twin flame; twin flame reading; twin flame psychology; are twin flames real; are twin flames real or am I crazy; twin flame spiritual psychology; spiritual psychology; twin flame energy update; false twin flame; false twin flame signs; what are twin flames; how to find your twin flame; twin flames psychology; psychology of twin flames; limerence; limerence psychology; soulmate psychology;
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Happy Valentine’s Day 🕊️
This is a special and much-requested episode which I’ve purposefully avoided for 2+ years.
Twin flames are a triggering topic, and I’m hesitant to preach dogmatic conclusions, but I’m here for respectful conversations.
Got any twin flame / false twin flame / trauma bond experiences that taught you some soulful lessons? Share your story in the comments and help me spread some much-needed psychological love this Valentine’s Day.
I’ll be reading and responding to all comments, as always.
Jordan 🌲
Your voice 😍🤤
I too have been on this journey of discovering the concept of twin flames since 2018. It came about unexpectedly when I fell deeply for a person and began to see signs, the numbers, the dreams, and feeling like their presence is always with you.
I agree that it can be a very tragic and destabilizing experience, until you finally begin to uncover the root cause. It feels as if it was mainly an experience of stripping away anything that is not love of self and other.
Part of that stripping away process is the realization that fantasy, longing, limerance and trauma bonding are simply not aligned with the experience of love of self and others.
Thank you for this video! It was a great follow up from the last talk about romantic projection.
"Part of that stripping away process is the realization that fantasy, longing, limerance and trauma bonding are simply not aligned with the experience of love of self and others." - excellent quote here, happy to have posted this video and opened these reflections. Cheers!
Very true what the experience brings. I resolved this fantasy bond with Iopt thereby and Ifs. It was a non verbal very young part that found its parent.
For me, one of the first stages of my TF journey was doubt/denial. I went down the TF/spiritual rabbit hole in the attempt to find evidence that this could not possibly be what i was experiencing. Then i turned to psychology and went through deep attachment healing, shadow work, parts work, etc. all in the attempt to disprove that this person and i were linked by some unseen but definitely felt force outside of my control. Limerance was one of the first things i came across and id hoped with enough self work i could squash it, to no avail. In the end, I feel that I've explored every possible avenue and im forced to surrender to the greater divine connection. Though i am thoroughly changed, (i am no longer chasing or obsessed with this person as the goal is to spiritually awaken to Self) i am forced to acknowledge that i would not have been able to reach the depth of self awareness without the triggers this person provided or without the Kundalini awakening they activated. Are TF's real? I would have to say yes. Are many (and i mean many) people suffering from delusional fantasies believing they are on a TF journey when that's not the actual case? Also yes.
I would add that even if you believe and/or suspect you're on a TF journey, you should absolutely take Jordan's advice and ground yourself. Explore the possibility that it's actually Limerence or attachment trauma. Try and stay grounded in reality as the tendency to slip into full psychosis is very real. This can lead to spiritual crisis, etc. the road gets very dark. Thank you for the great video, Jordan!
Last 3 girlfiends all thought we was a twinflame whats your view on that they all cant be right can they?
This is an excellent, mature reflection of some of your story so far. I appreciate your similar emphasis on grounding and doing the trauma healing work, while also being aware that there is genuine spiritual connection out there. We can nonetheless build these more 'divine connections' in far more emotionally stable and safe ways.
@@user-si1xj3bp9u they all cannot be right and, to be honest, it's more likely they are all mistaken. It is far, far, more common that it's insecure attachment or Limerence driving this belief.
That being said, IF one of them is correct (and it can only be one) you would only know at the conclusion of the journey. You will just Know. My advice would be to not worry yourself about it. Be kind, but don't get caught up in the whole destiny stuff. If you're meant to be with someone you will just know. Things will align. Focus on being the best version of you. Best of luck to you.
@@jordanthornton thank you, Jordan. I fully agree and would add that the ultimate goal is Self Actualization. The "other person" is simply the carrot that directs you there. One of the key points to observe when assessing whether someone is truly on this journey is that they will not (and cannot) remain stuck. The internal suffering is too great. Relief comes through processing and healing trauma and reintegrating disassociated parts of Self. There will be a frenzied sort of hunger to evolve in order to end the suffering. If the person is remaining unchanged and stuck in patterning or not highly motivated to change I would imagine the root cause would be more attachment related. They will still be suffering, but there is a sort of "forced" awakening/evolution that occurs with TF connections that you don't see with standard attachment wounding or trauma. It's as if the universe has put a big fat mirror in front of your face and you can't look away. Very interesting topic of discussion! Thanks for the great video.
@@Kat-mi9zm I believe that it is the one that that never said that she was, I remember one time when she said she had come for me,
I thought to myself that I had come for her, but when she left her body, I soon came to realise that it is her, since then she has guided me inwards to the sacred place, she lights up my dreams and whispers softly as I sleep, she brings me ever closer to that familiar place that we long to be.
I've been avoiding your page to do my own work and not be reliant on any one source of advice but I couldn't ignore this post as my own "twin flame journey" is what brought me to your content and an intense year(s) of work on self to begin with.
I completely agree with you on all points; I simultaneously think the experience has a spiritual component AS WELL AS being indicative of a trauma bond I've labeled as "limerent psychosis". Coming out on the other side of the experience, I am far better for it but all the same I appreciate grounded responses like these as it is an intensely ungrounding experience. At the very least it points exactly to where we have unrecognized trauma and work to do on ourselves and what we ideally strive for as far as spiritual connection with a romantic partner. Thanks and now goodbye again 🙏
Happy to know that my message of 'go offline & read the books / do your own work' is being taken seriously. Enjoy your inwards process, and special thanks for making the time to drop in here and share some of your story. I like you perspective that the relationship pointed towards deeper healing work.
Thank you Jordan for this quality content. From my personal experience, I agree with the previous comments about seeing “the twin flame journey” as a path to our own individual soul discovery. Both partners can be a catalyst to each other awakenings. I’d say the journey begins where you left the video, meaning that it is only when the person feeling the limerence, the obsession finally decides to separate and cut all communication with the partner, choosing to focus only on herself from there on and on her spiritual growth and healing, truly surrendering from the outcome of the relationship. From this moment on, is just trusting that everything that is happening is for our greater good.
If all the triggering the partner provokes does not lead to an epiphany that results in a painful (at that moment) separation from them, then from my perspective the journey hasn’t even started. From my experience, only when I reached this stage I started to come across the idea of twin flame, although I think this is a very personal and unique experience for everyone (but what is the modern world without labels, right? 😅)
In the end, it’s not about being with the partner anymore. In fact, there’s a complete compassion for them and true wish for them to also be happy, whether they’re with us or not. Now, for me, the interesting part is whether us leaving the relationship triggers the partner to his own self growth and healing. If it does, they will want to talk again and it is like meeting them for the first time and starting anew as both are aligned now. I believe they both can stimulate each other to become the best versions of themselves everyday. Still a tough choice to take this path for your life, but it might be rewarding on many levels. If it doesn’t, we move on with our life because we now feel whole anyway. We don’t give anyone what we don’t give to ourselves first :)
Greatly nuanced and grounded comment here, thoroughly enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and perspectives. I particularly liked your final paragraph - great points about compassion.
Oh, this is so nicely written. Thank you so much for your words! I am on this journey myself. I walked away a couple of months ago, after realizing that YT videos on how my twin is feeling right now and what it is that he wishes me to know did not resonate anymore. If he wants to say somthing, he can do it. I do not want a channel to tell me what supposedly is going on, although I see and understand, that this cannot only string along the empty hope, but also help people to not totally loose it. It is, after all, something that can make you crazy, if you do not start to align with what is happening.
So, what do I learn from the TW journey and this channel, also? First of all: My needs matter! What is important to me? Where are my wounds (that I didn't' even knew existed until meeting this person), what is it that needs healing, learning to save myself first instead of others, learning that selflove is the basic component in order to have a healthy relationship, setting boundaries, letting go of the past, the hurt, the pain, the victim mentality and become: ourselves! No more lies, especially towards ourselves and therefore to others. It is a journey that I would never have taken without meeting the other person. I wish us all the utmost trust, compassion and spiritual strenght, to become who we truly are and this channel helps tremendously. I know, I keep repeating myself with that.. Much love.
Interesting.. There’s actually many different ideas of “Twin Flames.” I think the one you’re describing here is more in line with Plato’s romanticized version from The Symposium (one soul, two bodies). However, another train of thought actually fully supports your video. Several modern thought leaders consider Twin Flames to actually be the person you meet BECAUSE you are dealing with unhealthy attachments. They believe that one attracts the Twin Flame to help one purge out the anxious/avoidant traits, so to speak, through a series of high highs and low lows. I actually really like this one. They say that after you’ve dealt with the Twin Flame (learned all you need to learn/separated), you attract your “Mirror Soul.” Truthfully, everyone is a mirror of your soul, but the “Mirror Soul” is said to be a person that doesn’t come with drama or unhealthy attachment. This particular theory also comes with a third label called “soulmates,” which can be any living thing. It seems to be a very practical way of describing the journey of romantic life for people.
Twin flames = Toxic relationship meant to heal childhood wounds
Soulmates = Friends/lovers throughout the journey
Mirror Soul = The healthy relationship one has after doing the shadow work
If someone is overly romanticizing/being delusional about their Twin Flame, then well it seems to be serving its purpose (as they will soon find out that the true Twin Flame’s role is to get them out of the delusion that they picked up through traumatic life experiences.
Fantastically detailed comment here, thanks for expanding on the concept of mirror souls in particular. There’s certainly more for us to learn, although the concepts seem overlapping and often hard to discern! 🌲
Long but important for those new to the twin flame journey. 🧿☯️🙏🕉️
Jordan, I gave myself the night and morning to decide if responding to this in a comment would be a valuable use of my time and energy. What I have come up with is that, if not for you, I believe it best for other viewers..... Jordan I mean no disrespect to you, your channel or content. This will be bold and from my heart in a loving and honest way. Skills I have learned from your channel about becoming a whole person and confident in speaking up when its necessary. Let this be a testament that Ive learned a great deal from your and other's work.
Valuing that everyone has a mixed feeling about Twin Flames I must advocate for the person earlier on in their journey who may have just watched your video while in the chaotic energy of the beginning when nothing makes sense. Then feeling like they are more messed up for believing something that is already very unbelievable. It might be good for selling service's as I saw the comment about limiting your services to 20 people per year. However, it is wreckless to leave someone early in their awakening with the inheritant thought they are wrong for doing and following what feels right. Modern psychology has its limitations to the topic of Universal connections. Ironically some foundational names in modern psychology came up with the same work taught in the TF journey. Carl Jung, Nevel Goddard, and many others first coined shadow work, inner work, childhood traumas etc. Twin flames is not new, the terminology used to romanisize and profit from the connection is. But the soul, and soul bonds have got back through every culture.
Early in my awakening I learned from Heidi Preibe all the topics you are commenting on about limerence and attachment theory, which opened the door to Dr. Kim and others. Your channel didn't show up for me until after getting through the hardest part of my own work. On my journey I sought to learn from many angles. New age spirituality, Christian teachings, modern psychology and science. Quantum physics proves there is so much we dont know. And modern psychology cant teach. Painfully Ive sought to understand what is not meant to be understood. Ive learned this journey but Ive experience it as well.
I will not take it away from you, the TH-cam Twin Flame narrative is in its own way a toxicity to healing, its a money and subscription game with so much conflicting information. One can quickly spend thousands of dollars to get "answers" from so called "experts" who share unique expressions of their own journey as the "one way" while lost in hours of card readings especially if there is no contact with the other self... I know I fell into that trap, new friends on the journey it does get easier. There is a truth about the twin flame journey that only Twin Flames who master themselves come to know. You learn that all of the answers are already inside of you, you only need yourself to find them or a coach that will help you find your own answers. And when you find those answers you have found yourself. That is this journey, its not about the other self. Its about yourself as its mirrored back to you from the person you call your twin flame. Your twin teaches you in a different way than say taking a class or going to college, they teach you to find yourself as you do the same for them.
You can call it romantic obsession or limerence because it "sounds" a lot like that. No different than calling a tomato a vegetable because its served on a salad. Just because its similar doesnt make it fact. Much of modern psychology is a projection of the interpretation of the therapist or coach. How many people are miss diagnosed because of a belief of the therapist based on their own unhealed unknown childhood or life traumas? Modern psychology doesn't teach about new age spiritual concepts (technically their old age pre psychology concepts used for thousands of years but their called new age to discredit them) does that make all those concepts false? If so that would call into question some of your own past content.
The truth is as its seen throughout your comments section that either you just found a treasure trove of new clients or there is something missing from your research. Which my guess is experience in the twin flame journey because if you had the experience you wouldn't have made the video you did, or left the insensitivity of how the message was communicated. The twin flame journey is about healing, its a transformation of ones self. Trust me a year ago I wouldn't believe I would typing these words when stuck in the woo-woo of all that the twin flame community tries to sell it as. Ive spend the majority of 2023 unemployed, in isolation, trying to make sense of the journey from both a accepting and surrendering spiritual side as well as a logical minded side of what it will take to help others through the painful troubles of this journey. I have intentionally delayed my own healing journey to feel every minute of it. I have prolonged online smear campaigns and unfounded court cases from the other self that the court continues to dismiss to learn all that was being taught while holding proof that discredited all the claims. I could have ended my healing journey long ago by releasing all my withheld content but instead accepted it as it was teaching both of us something. Ending the journey would have been selfish of me, just because I have the means to doesn't make it right to take from mine or the other self's healing journey. Her being manipulated by a new partner doesn't make it true so I let it ride knowing that Id only grow more through the experiences. And if it ever got too challenging I was holding the ace card to end it all. The lesson is that retaliation is not love and certainly isnt forgiveness. Just because I could doesn't mean I have to. I put my journey above my ego and pride
Do you want to know what limerence cant do. Limerence cant allow someone to walk away with unstructured forgiveness for all the hurtful things done and said. Nor does it allow a person to love unconditional of the other self ever returning. Modern psychology cant teach this in months where the twin journey can and that threatens the validity of modern psychology modalities.
Can a twin flame dynamic come back together again. As a normal relationship as it was considered before the start of the journey, no way... It will never be the same as it was before. However I agree that if both parts of the self heal and must do and continue doing the work separately while together. Then we can reflect back on the Bible verses you provided that becoming one flesh is the purpose of all the pain on this journey. Akin to the hardest experiences are by design to bring together two people in a healthy balanced way. Even more so "one" than couples who just get married out of their limerence or perceived love for each other. Because twins have gone threw every level of emotions with each other and more importantly themselves. Before they can come back and stay in a healthy connection together. They have already seen what their dynamic could be in its most loving form before separating and while apart their own shadows and the darkness of their other self. If they learn forgiveness of the past and choose love over hate. Its possible...
I truly believe in this journey and have continued to seek periodic professional check-ins to make sure I am grounded in my belief no different than believing in a book written 2000 years ago copied more than any other book ever written by the experiences of 12 people who followed a man who now know as Christ. Everything has its place to try and separate things is the duality plaguing the forgiveness and unconditional love we all should have for each other.
That is my message with love for whatever it is worth to whoever needed to read it.
Psychology professor and licensed behavior analyst here with my 2 cents:
First of all, thank you Jordan for your transparency and softness that you’ve approached this topic; it’s definitely a tricky one.
Second- I was not a spiritual person until I met my now partner who I would hesitantly but very likely consider a twin flame (going on 3 years of the typical twin flame dynamic). My psychological background is grounded in observable and measurable behaviors, so for me to even consider something such as twin flames existed would have previously been disregarded and considered “toxic” behavior patterns for one or both parties. What made me believe that twin flames exist is the patterns that emerge for different types of soul connections. You cannot discuss twin flames without also discussing the difference between TF and karmic relationships. Both hold lessons for an individual’s soul’s journey. The patterns are different for both as far as behaviors of each party goes, and there are cycles that begin to emerge for both that are distinct. After comparing my own previous connections against eachother and introspecting, I am a believer that people are brought into your life for a reason (i.e., to influence your soul’s growth), but you dont really know the difference in a karmic relationship vs a twin flame relationship until you can look at it retrospectively.
Third, my current frustration with twin flames being a hot topic is that not enough people discussing them are bringing it back to the root of why the connection exists. Twin flames do not exist because it’s your happily ever after; if you get that, then you are blessed. The true twin flame journey is an individual journey with the other person acting as a mirror. My partner showed me my shadow and unknowingly interacted in ways where I have worked through my shadow and trauma responses. Example- I have always been co-dependent in relationships and repeated the same karmic cycles; even with the off and on of my current partner, I am no longer co-dependent because of the way she has carried herself through our journey. She didnt intend to teach me that lesson, but the moment you begin introspecting, looking for your own behavioral patterns, and applying resolutions for the betterment of your growth-- that’s the purpose of the twin flame journey. The partner is a mirror or tool. The outcome is your growth through the process of being shown your shadow and hopefully progressing through self-development.
Finally- another part not emphasized enough is how the twin flame journey also attempts to balance the masculine and feminine energy within yourself. Everyone has both; usually you lean more towards one being expressed more either through behavioral patterns or gender identity (not sexual identity). Example- I have always been more of a masculine woman energetically, and I am also a lesbian. What was interesting to me is that my partner (a woman) brings out my feminine energy in a way that now I consider myself more energetically balanced. I dress more gender neutral while she dresses more feminine. But the way our masculine and feminine energies (vibrations/behavioral patterns/etc) both interact and change when we are around each other has been very interesting for me to watch. I’ve never had a partner make me feel secure enough to express my feminine/emotional side after relying on my masculinity for so long to survive in family/relationship/work dynamics.
There’s so much to expand on, but thank you again Jordan for initiating the discussion and also giving space for us to share our experiences, so we can grow together.
I also didnt mention but think it’s a key point to discuss- I do believe that human evolution has physically maxed out, but psychological/spiritual evolution is still occurring, for better or worse. The universe putting people in positions to truly progress psychologically and spiritually at a rate that’s higher than 1900s and before makes a lot of evolutionary sense. We are moving beyond basic survival, and the world is going through its own cycles that mirror the human experience. Mental health issues are increasing and are positively correlated with spiritual awakenings. Again, so much to expand on, but it’s worthy food for thought with this discussion. So why are we discussing twin flames more now? It could be just a hot topic. But it also could be because the universe thinks we are ready to evolve spiritually and setting up the dynamics to do so. I think there should be less emphasis on obtaining your “twin flame” and more emphasis on awareness and development because of all that I’ve mentioned above.
This is one of the best comments I've seen in a while - many aspects I appreciate, especially the skilful blending between your professional knowledge and personal subjective experience. I can't respond to everything, but I enjoyed reading and it's give food for thought.
❤❤❤ love this, you saved me typing lot's of typing. It takes one to know one. Not to say that others aren't experiencing something painful in their hot and cold energetic dynamic or toxic relationships. Those lost in the Twin Flames are like vampires and wear wolves love stories have no idea the work they will have to put into even balancing their own healing energy. Nevermind balancing both the DM & DF within the dynamic of themselves. Only with that work can the other self come back into the picture and initiate the next deeper part of our own growth. The same love that breaks our heart is what healing are heart. But we have to choose love to experience unions and reunions for as long as they take to both balance the energy if it's even possible in this lifetime. Sometimes it's just the catalyst to our individual spiritual awakening if the dynamic was too toxic. Or if someone chooses not to do the work which leaves them feeling like ignoring the dynamic is the best path forward.
Thank you both for sharing
@@zackjosephs8966cheers Zack! It definitely takes one to know one, and when the universe and self starts to be interacted with in this way, boy is it LOUD.
As a 50 something woman, I would have agreed with you before my last year. I am highly analytical and question everything as an INFJ.
But, my last year has been otherworldly- with a rapid acceleration into my spiritual growth, (almost involuntarily) owing to a person I had just met and connected with deeply.
As a secular person, it has been a shock to me, but I have faith because I have a very tangible synchronistic message (a photograph of the person before I met him with a divine message literally included)
It will be fascinating to see how your connection develops together, thank you for taking the time to share some of your story. I can imagine it's been wild.
The "twin flame" journey is a spiritual awakening. It's not about union with another, but union with your own soul. As someone who has been on this journey for 6 years now, I can assure you it is a very real phenomenon, although you don't have to believe me of course. I can also attest to the fact that close to 99% of the information regarding twin flames is entirely inaccurate and most people are definitely misguided. From a metaphysical standpoint it makes perfect sense but it takes many years of deepening into the Soul to be able to see and feel and understand beyond the logical mind (which is the point of the journey). Very simply put, it is one of many paths to enlightenment. Very real indeed. I wonder how old you are? Under 30 or over, if you don't mind me asking?
It‘s very real. I know that it seems like crazy fantasy, but it’s real :) I still feel you don’t believe in it & thats fine. I am on the Twin flame journey my whole life, feeling „my energy“ in another person since I was a little kid. Meeting was at age 20. Crazy and seeming „not from this world“. It kickstarted my awakening process. That’s what happend to other people too. I could write a book about my experiences with this phenomenon. Many of the informations out there are romantisized.. I understand completely why it seems like a fantasy;)
Some great discussion here, thank you both for sharing - seems that many people agree that this aspect of spiritual self-development is best seen as a personal healing and expansion process, rather than being about the union itself (which is unfortunately twisted in the popular internet discourse?)
The point is that coming in contact with someone who has the same energy as you do triggers every unhealed aspect that is not in alignment with the frequency of love, so yes it’s about personal expansion. But when the healing process is mostly „done“ and you are in a state if self acceptance you are able to be with a twin flame. Otherwise you are just repelling each other. In my case it was super painful. But the journey is in my opinion not just about your own healing. The joy in being together is beautiful and as a „couple“ a twin flame pair can serve a great purpose in helping other people heal for example. So I wouldn‘t exclude the one or the other from the purpose of twin flames. You can watch Lee&Sherrys Twin Flame Journey on TH-cam, they are real and very helpful for me personally:)
You are ANSON RIGHT!
@jordanthornton Yes and no. Physical union is a byproduct of union with your soul, as they do actually share the same soul/core frequency as you. But it becomes a choice at that point, not an obsession. It's only possible once all distortions are cleared from your energetic field. Twins do share the same soul mission/purpose. Personally I believe that many people might in fact have met their "twin flame" in higher numbers than we think but I also think it will take multiple lifetimes for true union to occur for most. It truly is an excruciating process but it is founded in love. Universal love, not Hollywood love. It's not possible to understand from a logical perspective. I'm super curious to see how your life transforms after your Saturn return. (!!)
I think that if you meet a person you're attracted to and he or she leaves or ,,runs'' as the ,,unevolved'' twin always does according to the definition, then you should treat him as a person who doesn't care about you and is not suited for you as a partner, whether there're your twin flame or not. Giving them the label twin flame can get people really stuck and unable to move on with their lives. It doesn't matter whether he or she is your twin flame...if it's true, I don't know, and frankly, I don't even care. If the person who ,,ran away'' from me comes back and we'll both be at the place we want to form a union, that's great, otherwise, adios.
Grounded and mature attitude, I agree with what you're saying about the level-headed approach to somebody else's behaviours.
The TF journey is an inner journey. The people stuck in the fairy tale are deep in their codependency….. Looking outside of themselves for love.
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Thank you, Jordan! You are very brave to help people facing their Illusions and projections.
Trying my best in a challenging space!
@@jordanthornton You're doing a great job.
I like how you said at the end that it needs to be more grounded and slower. Slower is the perfect word. Theres a lot of desperation in the world at large and i think people need to reevaluate their values. People can have deep and meaningful relationships, but they shouldnt demand love or attention from someone. Slower really is the key word! Thanks for the video.
Your videos help me a lot btw
Happy to be here, and happy to have helped - you'll enjoy the latest anima/animus video too! Thanks for being here for the last year my man.
God bless you Jordan for the level of tolerance you are displaying here in the comment section , with the New age fanatics who are attacking you because you challenge their “delusions”..
I’m so happy that you brought up this subject of limerence and trauma bund which most of your new age audience believe it’s a soul mate connection when in reality it’s just a wishful thinking that got no foundation in any real or spiritual concept.
Keep doing what you are doing and don’t let those “ignorant l” New agers have any say in your platform , instead direct them or advise them to seek other channels that suits their belief system.
Love you Jordan ❤️
Sure thing, I try not to do too many videos like this but the timing was right and the comments section discussions have been rewarding. Wishing you well as always.
You’re a gem, my friend. I really appreciate how you present your research and very grounded discussion of topics without giving your opinion. You’re doing truly excellent work in this lifetime and are officially one of my role models.
Means a lot, feeling the authenticity of your words here. Likewise happy to always attempt to encourage balanced conversations. We need more of them.
Love and limerence - bring that to the forefront of mainstream conversations ! It's time
I'll try and include it more!
I rarely comment on TH-cam vids but I've gotten a lot from this one and all these comments- I'm feeling a bit less overwhelmed, confused and lonely about it all. Which makes me think maybe engaging in the comment sections can be worthwhile...so I'd like to share! First, I have a music video about my experience of these themes which some of you might relate to and find solace in (it's on my YT channel here and called "in love,for love,with love") it's about rewriting that story from "this is so profound and synchronistic they must be my soulmate" to "they were a catalyst to coming home to my soul". Secondly, according to Jung, children are much closer to soul (haven't developed much of a complex personality etc) and so someone triggering our childhood wounds reminds us of the existence of our inner child and therefore soul state.
This may have already been said in the comments but it just hit home hard- and actually explains a dream i had the first night i met this guy that my song is about. in the dream, my dad whisked me away from an abusive situation, saving me and driving me to america (which always symbolised freedom for me and my dad) but as soon as we got to america, where i thought we'd start a new and free life, he dropped me off and abruptly left. i was confused and lost. And essentially the same thing happened with this guy over the coming months. He represented true freedom and i felt a sense of universal safety i havent felt before, but it abruptly ended/he isnt coming the whole way on the journey. Not sure if this will be interesting to anyone else but i just thought it was cool that my unconscious knew how my daddy issues were gonna play out before i did...
Fantastic comment for me to read today, thanks for this. See the expressiveness here and honouring your creative path. Keep going forwards, appreciate the share.
Wow. I did not expect you to talk on this subject. Yes. I do have a story! I am Lala Agni. The author of, they say, the deepest book on this subject, called " I just want you to Remember..." in two languages. In two years the book was read by thousands of people.
Daily i receive letters with gratitude from all over the world, and this really warmth up my heart!
I discovered your channel just a couple months ago. I DEEPLY , deeply love your channel, deeply respect your work, recommend and share it with everyone I know, and order books you recommend on regular basis. But THE FIRST being I shared your channel with, was my Twin Flame. " Look! What a treasure I have found!!!"- I wrote Him and sent the link to your channel! He immediately fell in love with you, just like i did!
Thank you for your work!!!!
Appreciate you being here, and likewise know that this conversation can go in many fascinating directions. Thanks for sharing your story with the world 🌲
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What you have done and keep.9n doing is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, because you COMBINE ESOTERIC knowledge and Psychology. Paradox is- the word " Psychology "- means " The science about THE SOUL"-, but unfortunately, modern Psychology is based solely in the MIND unless we take Carl Jang. But most is just in MIND. And BRAIN, as many discoveries show, IS THE THING OF UTS OWN. Good servant but a bad Master. We are as puppets to it. So, TOO MANY QUESTIONS are remaining with no answer, if we are going to base them ONLY on the brain. I adore work.of Sam Vaknin, and unfortunately the Narsissists- is the epidemic horror of the modern world, but I could not get rid of the feeling, that Soul and its experience is not taken into Consideration.
I knew,ONLY by combining both- we can find the answers. And this is exactly what you are doing.
By the way, you would love the work of Helen Blavatskiy. She was and is one of the greatest ever lived.
Again thank you for your work and best of luck!
This was very sound teaching. Great video!
Glad it was helpful - check out the recent anima/animus video and previous romantic projection video for more!
When I first heard “twin flame” it legit made me sad because I knew it was a flowery phrase like “chakra work” that anyone could sell to hurting people.
That’s one way of seeing it for sure 🤔
Excellent video Jordan I wish you would have done it sooner for me but I learned through experience that my obsession ( love) for my ex is in fact limerence or unrequited love. I know the pain of loving someone who doesn’t feel the same.It’s extremely hard to let go when it’s even harder to let someone in your heart. Being a trauma survivor and not having a functional family plays into picking the wrong type of people that do not deserve you. After more than 2 years I am slowly coming out of grieving the loss of my relationship and I hope those who are suffering from twin flame believe find acceptance that the relationship is over. Just love yourself anything else leads to disappointment, suffering and betrayal ❤️🩹
Beautiful reflections, thank you for sharing some of your story here - it sounds like you’ve learned a lot, and the path seems to be getting steadier 🌲
Glad i found your channel Jordan. Im learning a lot and feel like I can trust your point of view.
Welcome! It’s a great time to get connected - you’ll love the new shadow work playlist if you want some books and exercises. It’s my best work ✌🏻
The parasitic twin flame idea is the pinnacle of the “special relationship”. Special relationships are often the last thing the ego can justify holding onto.
Somehow I, a Child of God, have a relationship with another Child of God that transcends our innocence?
Another interesting perspective, thanks for sharing 🌲
8:15 you brought up a good point. Typically, with twin flames stories, you don't really hear testimonies from older people who found each other and had been together for decades. It's always younger couples, and they don't usually seem to stay together for more than a few years because "they'd outgrown each other" or something like that. It bugs me, because in my opinion, it sounds like a cop-out answer to avoid serious commitments. (Not that there aren't some people who shouldn't be in relationships)
Twin flames but only for max 5 years, right? 🥶 Not the full truth, but a part of the internet culture for sure.
Trauma bonding is totally opposite to Twinflame bonding. Only those who had experienced the dark triad,studied the dark triad,then found their Twinflame can relate to the difference. Trauma bonding is pain that feels wrong,and one always feels inferior to their counterpart when trauma bonded.
Twinflame bond is total freedom,where each exchange is meant to be complementary to each other and both parties involved.
Great video given the day. I’ve always questioned my sanity on this subject because I experientially and propositionally determined an ex to be my twin flame. We shared a connection that transcended our completely dialectical world views. We unraveled each other’s traumas unintentionally by allowing each other to simply exist flaws and all. This ironically encouraged both of us to evolve without feeling “pushed” to evolve. After years of growth we decided we were both better off single and it was honestly the most loving experience I’ve ever gone through. I spiritually woke up from her presence and after years of others begging me to change, for some reason only with her was I able to see another’s perspective.
Honestly we both say we were each other’s twin flame but maybe the symbolism is more important than the reality. I know what true love feels like because of our shared experience and growth. It transcends the idea of romance. I don’t really care if she’s my twin flame in actuality, I just don’t know what else to call it.
Also it’s worth adding I think from my perspective a twin flame is simply a tool for spiritual growth and awakening. Not a love story. I think most people are experiencing a karmic partnership aka trauma rather than an experience aimed at spiritual and psychological growth.
Some grounded reflections here, Brendan. Thank you for sharing some of your story and I can see what you mean about the symbolism vs reality aspects. There is healing and growth in many mirrors and roads, and it sounds like you’ve learned an immense amount 🌲
hey hey, finally a fresh take on a sensationalized internet topic in the spiritual channels. Thanks for another grounded perspective on something that is often so heavily distorted. Enjoyed the references to other world religions, very interesting dissection of the topic. I prefer the term "divinely timed anima/animus projection" over "twin flame" haha it helps remove the notion of a pedestalized other. Thanks again 👏
It’s been long overdue! I know it’s a sensitive topic, and you’ve called it - I’m uploading an anima/animus video this weekend to fill out this three part ‘romantic psychology’ mini series for the special week hahah - would be great to likewise hear your teachings and video on these experiences 😉
Thanks for posting this jordan
More often than not the themes you discuss are strangely relatable to where my head is at at the time.
I agree with a lot of the points you share here, i myself did end up pretty unwell at one time and as a result i believe i got a bit wound up in a lot of new age topics, including this one.
That said though, i feel that as much as i would like to not entertain certain ideas, it seems that my own spiritual awakening has encouraged certain trains of thinking by offering tid bits of percieved truth here and there.
I honestly thought i had done enough emotional healing of my childhood and past to move on from this particular subject, but i do find myself picking up on coincidental suggestions in my day to day life that leave me questioning wether or not the universe is indeed trying to tell me something.
I havent quite managed to find any solid evidence to make up my mind either which way , but i think its got to come down to siding with bullshit on this one , for the sake of my own sanity 😂
back to the trauma healing drawing board it is haha !
Happy valentines day mate , cheers
It's almost as if the 'twin flame narrative' becomes a useful scaffold for deeper healing and introspection - potentially to be outgrown as we access more complete narrative as the trauma healing continues... but there's something valuable in there nonetheless.
@jordanthornton yeah I really hear you on that actually, something to be utilised towards healing makes much more sense
Interesting topic. Triggering topic coming from a Recovering Dismissive Avoidant. It seems to me that any relationship which triggers the inner child positive or negative is a “soul mate”. I think of the soul as the inner child, wounded or not.
Thank you for the interesting information.
Happy to have been here - the question of attachment and aversion is a massive part of this twin flame conversation!
@@jordanthornton I think that when it gets painful enough, people begin to educate themselves. I get so highly triggered about seeing content regarding how to get the Dismissive Avoidant (Runner) to return, etc. I constantly have to remind myself that they are in pain and will do anything to escape it just as much as I want to escape this TF theory or bonded souls theory. 😆
It’s an opportunity for some people to take money from codependent people.
Having said that, in my early 60’s I met someone that triggered a kundalini awakening and heart activation, followed by an accelerated journey in my trauma healing, spiritual and human development. At the time, I had no idea about TF or kundalini awakening.
Damn son. Some sanity
Appreciate you, happy to have opened up this conversation.
I was reading about the paradox of doubt yesterday. It left me chewing on the ways in which we manufacture certainty in an attempt to erradicate the never-ending unsettling feeling of doubt, instead of leaning into inquiry and seeking greater truths (even though there are no definitive answers that can completely satisfy our innate doubt).
Feels relevant to this conversation because what creates more doubt in our rational mind than our perceived worthiness of giving/receiving love?
The manufacture of certainty, that's a fascinating topic in itself. What a great phrase - thoughtful...
@@jordanthornton Indeed - I can't remember where I first heard it, but it comes up for me often, especially when observing projection within and around me.
Hi, Jordan! Just this 'Twin Flame' topic is dealt with means a lot 🙏🏻and your video verified that my constant doubt about it wasn't too wrong! 😃I've been a firm believer of 'soul mate' connection, so I went for it with my intuition, which didn't last long, didn't lead me to any form of tangible relationship at all. Still wonder if 'The one' actually exists or not, but being in pursuit of it, getting to learn that maybe that one is myself,,?:) The ability to feel it and inviting it to one's reality,mutually,seem to have a space-time difference;) Thank you so much for this video🙏🏻Some part of my heart aches, cause I was in an absolute illusion, but feel like I'm unshackled now and can finally see what's going on with my life rather clearly!😃🙏🏻👍👍👍
Happy to be here opening up these conversations - the path can be challenging at times, but the pace does get easier. Keep going 🕊️
@@jordanthornton I appreciate your precious words and messages inside😃🙏🏻 Thanks to you, "the pace gets easier" every moment in and out!👍
My favorite take on twin flames was that it is a relationship that is consciously built, two people doing their inner/spiritual work and come together to create a highly divine connection, i.e. a twin flame connection.
Ultimately love is choice and if someone doesn't choose to be with you they ain't the one.
Here he is with the wisdom, great to see you here brother. Very beautifully said.
@@jordanthornton thank you man! I think this is my first comment on one of your videos. About time I joined the conversation
I believe there is a higher purpose to the connection…after the healing has been done. I believe they are to help transcend the relationship “model” into understanding relationships are our greatest opportunity for healing and evolution.
I honestly think they are two people completely and utterly accepting of each other no matter what. I'm not saying you don't have any problems but there's just a yin and yang that perfectly fit together. There are times you feel like a reflection of each other.I feel like my twin flame was someone in my life who never ever judged me or who I needed to be. I have only experienced this one time in my life and that person has now passed on. I have grieved but there is this soul place in my heart that no one else will be able to get to. I do not know how I know I just do. I will never be able to experience it with anyone else like that. This may be wrong in other people's opinions but this is just how I feel. I've had a lot of soulmates. I feel like they come into your life to help you get through a hard time or as a teacher in a way. I have been alone for 7 years so I've had a lot of time to reflect on all of this. Maybe subconsciously we shared a similar type of trauma based on the way we were raised generationally at the same time. I'm aware of what they say on the internet but maybe it's just your true love. We are talking about 40 years of history before they passed on. There never was a time in between that they were not a part of me and my heart and soul. This person imprinted on me.
Thank you for sharing some of your story here. It’s deep and meaningful, and I can tell you’ve learned and felt a lot.
Thank you that means a lot. I feel like I've been working on it for a long time.
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Thank you once again Jordan about Twin-flame theory I myself still doing my analogy research upon both ends mentally, physically and emotionally
I might dive in the Quran & Bible for deeper knowledge
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Research and reflection at every level - sounds like a winning strategy ✌🏻
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Only a handful is truly experiencing a simultaneous incarnation experience along with their otherself.
For the rest it’s very much like a man talking about the experience of giving birth or going through period cramps. There might be some good points and contemplating, still you are not in their shoes.
Thanks for sharing some your perspective here ✌🏻
thank you Jordan, for this video. i just wanted to correct the interpretation, or the translation of the Quraan verse you quoted in the beginning of this video. the real verse in arabic which got lost in translation goes like this ; God created you from one Psyche and from it he (God) made it's mate. the quraan does not use the word soul, but rather Psyche as there is a distinction between a psyche and a soul, just like in psychology , we talk about the psyche and not the soul. this correction in translation gives a whole new meaning to the very same verse.. which to me has nothing to do with soul mate or twin flame concept.
Thank you for this - I know that the English will never do full justice, hard to navigate sometimes!
Thank you for that🙏 It appears as if the hole concept is actually rooted.Rooted in religious scriptures. And that explains a hole lot for me, atheist by family. The fantasy of the union in its extreme is obsession, limerence. Sort of the need to have that union but only in the fantasyworld, so real people have not a place in there.
From a biological perspective though the force that indicates feminin and masculin have to unite is life-determinating, at least for those species that have sexual reproduction. Can it be possible that the more conscious we become the more sensitive we are to these life forces? and so we begin to interpretate those sensations....😁😁ultimately I think there is a very big need in us to unite body and mind as one, the materia and the subtle, and know that there is no division or separation, only atoms in different arrangements that results in wonderful, misterious, miraculous All 🤩. That being said, I'm still recovering from the hole twin-flame thing, that I believe being quite of a journey because, for sure there are trauma bonds to heal. Can it be done without the "twin flame"?. I do hope so. At least,I hope that we can be as present and conscious as we can so that, once in the relationship, we can be honestly commited to heal. I once heard that relationship themes only can be healed in relationship. It sounds logical. But it would be interesting that we, as grown up women and men, could begin with the healing of the relationship with ourselves first....🥴🙃
Some thoughtful reflections here, I appreciated your perspective. You’re right that there is so much more for us to learn about the true meaning of union 🕊️