With how laughably small the roster is compared to past MvC games, Capcom needs to own up and call this game what it really is. Avengers vs Capcom. With no Xmen, no Spiderman extras, no Defenders, no Fantastic Four? It's just the Avengers, own up to that shit.
samzilla567 it's smaller than mvc2 and 3 that's it it's also a 2v2 fighter which requires less characters then a 3v3 and they do have spiderman and guardians characters
you prolly dont give a shit but if you are bored like me atm you can watch all of the latest movies and series on instaflixxer. I've been watching with my brother for the last couple of months xD
when fans constantly asked for Red Hood as DLC in Injustice 2, it wasn't because they wanted a gun-fu moveset. You could have made him another zoner and while MINOR disappointment would be had, they'd still be glad he's at least in the game.
Similarly, if the Punisher was put into MvCI, I'm going to play them even if I hate their moveset. Meanwhile, Chris in 3 was basically a "gun dude", and I never touched him.
“Characters are just functions, Charizard case in point has fire breath, well guess what, Bowser has fire breath too, go ahead try them out” -Alternate universe Sakurai
If it was just about function, they would have done what injustice does with their premier skins, "oh so you don't like captain cold, well here's a skin that turns him into Mr Freeze". marvel didn't put Xmen an because they want to be assholes to fox
MvCI feels like such a big middle finger to fans of the characters of both companies. Like, yeah, you can appeal to the competitive scene all you want, but the majority of people who want to play this game play it so they can use their favorite characters from Marvel and/or Capcom's franchises, ESPECIALLY Marvel's since they are the most popular mainstream wise. The biggest appeal about this game is seeing beloved characters duke it out. You're bound to have fans PISSED when you exclude popular and beloved characters under the excuse of them being just ''functions''. Like, imagine if Nintendo took Samus out of the next Smash Bros, replaced her with the guy from like that Wii game called The Conduit and then said ''Oh, but Samus is just a function, so who cares? This guy can do the same shit''. That's basically what Marvel/Capcom allowed for one of their PR people to say, and considering Marvel's behavior and attitude towards the X-Men in the past couple of years, it's EXACTLY what they think of the X-Men and their fanbase. The fans, outside of some the competitive try-hards, don't give a shit about functions, tiers or whatever the fuck. They want to see their favorite characters in a game they can have fun playing. Also, screw Carol Danvers. She sucks as Captain Marvel.
A "middle finger" seems too much, what I could gather the ONLY way this game could have happened because of contract bullshit was if it was released by the time it was, which means Capcom barely had any time to cook something up, that's why this end up MVC Infinite re-hash. Between not having a game or having a mediocre one I dunno which one is worse
Look....I LOVE the Marvel cinematic universe. But THIS shit isn't okay. The roster should be WAYYYYYYYY larger than what it is right now and there are a lot of characters, On Marvel's side and Capcom's side, that are missing big time.....
I feel like what a lot of the problems boil down to is that a while back, Capcom was like "we're going to make this game hyper detailed to the pint where you can see everyone's pores and stuff." And then they just decided to go for it instead of using that potential budget to make the art style and roster actually good and they're paying for that shit right now. I mean, I'm oversimplifying shit like crazy, but they're putting WAY too much work on stuff that people don't care for instead of just trying to make something simplistic looking that would fit these clashing designs better and let them do more characters that people would be more into.
Good point. And Marvel is kind of at fault here too. If they wanted to capitalize on the upcoming Infinity Wars, they could have either commissioned someone to make an original game for them, or have games made that are based on the Avengers movies. They probably wouldn't have been slam dunks, but it would at least give Marvel vs Capcom some breathing room.
People on this friendcast is on point. In a vs game, the roster is the most important thing. We understand that about Marvel and their desire to push the MCU. But the lack of Dr. Doom alone disappoints me. Their are characters who interest me, but I'm not buying this immediately.
you'd think with such a big universe to pull from they'd at least be able to at least bring in some more new characters like kamala khan or moon knight, characters that at least could use some exposure.
+angrybrony ikr. Give me Silver Surfer, diff incarnation of Hulk (looking at you Dr.Green), etc. Marvel is so diverse with so many fun characters to work with in this game.
The number one problem with this statement is that it's not REALLY an explanation for why they took out the characters, the statement is Capcom trying to get their fans to shut up.
Pat mentioning the Monster Hunter makes me wonder how the hell they're gonna refer to him in the story in which they refer to people by their full name.
I'm going to make a hard bet that they're going to play a super small part and Thor is going to specifically call them "Hunter of Monsters." Because that's like his thing here, just re-wording shit in a way that sounds old fashioned and stuff.
If Black Panther shows up and he has like Wolverine's claw slashes and foot dive, then I'm going to flip my shit over it. And a LOT of people are probably going to be stupid and give it a free pass because "You can't hate on a black guy", but fuck it, that would be the biggest fucking middle finger ever and I'd call that shit out as much as possible for just cutting out a character and practically re-skinning them for DLC!
But there's one major flaw to the "You can't hate on a black guy" Black Panther replacing Wolverine argument that directly links to both characters ironically: Storm. She's black, female, been around since the beginning (not in every game, but the first and last ones were among them) and one of the X-Men. So what justifies her exclusion and whoever gets her "functions"?
The top players and the people who care about that sort of shit aren't even a large portion of the user base; they're a _microscopic_ portion of it, absolutely _dwarfed_ by the casual player. The average player doesn't give a shit about the "meta" or who's "top tier" or which mechanics are associated with which character, and the majority of _those_ don't even know what those things mean in the context of the game. Developing only for that microscopic portion, or trying to justify _literally any_ decision from that perspective when talking about marketing, is completely idiotic. Even I, a player who's aware of all of this, pick Spider-Man because I want to play as god damn Spider-Man, not because I wanted to pick someone who had a freeze mechanic. If you aren't developing a game like this for what the average fan wants first, you're doing it wrong, and if you're on the outside trying to argue in favor of any such decisions, you're doing it even worse, because the first probably avoided from a financial perspective, while the second didn't even put it into consideration.
It's such a fucking crime...And what's sad is that there are other X-Men characters they could put in that weren't in any of the previous MvC games. Imagine Nightcrawler or Blob in MvC. That'd shit would be hype.
No, because then the get the money. Just wait it out and if an Ultimate version comes out or something, then get THAT because THEN you can have the good version with Venom and be like "Why wasn't this what the game originally was?!"
I wanted Ava Wong and Lady from DMC3. Feelsbad. Marvel vs. Capcom was assasinated. MCVI was the target, Dragon Ball FighterZ was the killer, and Capcom issued the order
you know its kinda strange that they complain that characters that showed up once in the Marvel Vs series should be X'd for other characters. Why not just add more that way everyone is happy. Shit wouldnt be balanced whats so ever but thats what Mahvel is all about
You know what? I'm so fucking tired of dreading this game. Ever since it's announcement, I've gotten less and less hyped about MvCI every time some new info comes out. So, I'm instead going to look forward to this game's seemingly inevitable flop. From now on, I'm going to laugh at every bad decision they make.
Santi Kun oh. That is kind of a shame since the sequel at least tried to improve things from the first game and NXC. It is nowhere near as tedious as the last two games.
I dunno, I'd still argue that it's pretty tedious to go through. And this is coming from someone who specifically modded his PS2 back in the day to get the game. (As well as worked on the fan-translation team)
No Javier Molina, Woolie was referring to Leon in regards to MVC games not Capcom crossovers in general. And he's right Leon hasn't appeared once in the fighting games despite beating Chris and Jill in popularity.
You know, ever since I first played MVC3, I've only ever had one character request: Maximo. I really wish Capcom would dump that dork Arthur and put Maximo in. Maximo never gets any love.
I just don’t get the thought process of giving a bad explanation to the people that are willing to give you money and piss them off when the thing is mediocre or bad.
I'm going to contradict them a bit because I personally am one of those people who Combofiend is talking about who looks for function over form. I pick my mains in a fighting game from the reverse of these guys - I look for what their gameplay style is first, and I don't really care about aesthetics or a character's backstory or if they have big tits or anything. If a character from a previous game is in a new iteration of that game but they play differently, chances are I'm probably not going to pick them and I'm going to pick a different character who plays more like the first characters iteration. THAT BEING SAID, I still understand that not everyone is like me and that character attachment is very strong for most people who play fighting games. So although I don't care about that stuff, I know how important it is for other people. So I understand where they're coming from here.
So theoretically what would you do if most of the characters you like were out of the game? I remember Pat talking about him not caring for the 1st 2 Smash Bros games since Ike and Dedede weren't in them and I had that issue with SF5, where of the starting roster the only characters I liked were Cammy, Ryu (who I play begrudgingly when there's no Cody or Sakura), Zangief (again begrudgingly because no T. Hawk), and Rashid (who I wouldn't know about until I picked it up later when it was on sale) and I'm someone doesn't lock down on mains and likes to float around the roster and play a 1/3 to 1/2 the cast in most games.
While it's fine for them to have shit for the FGC they are doing so at the cost of the larger casual market that can also make it harder to attract more people to it.
So you're the rare technical player to which Combofiend was referring. Truly, a sight to behold. On one hand, I understand the idea of liking how a character plays rather than who or what a character is. It's respectable. On the other, I'm really glad you understand why the roster in a *crossover game* is a really important draw. Good on you for enjoying a game for its functions. I really wish I could completely sympathize with both sides of the argument, but such is life. I want to see a crossover game with a wild roster. Particularly, I'm mad that Asura's not on Infinite's roster, at least not yet. I'm sure he'd play a lot like some other character with pure fist attacks, but that's not what I personally care about in a crossover game. Either way, cool to see someone out there who not only has a different opinion, but is generally agreeable.
Now that's fine but this is a game with so much legacy the hole point of the game is that super coll capcom caracters ar fighting coll marvel caracters and this has so little os that of corse people are gonna complain about it
As fun as it is to shit on marvel Infinite, can we not pretend that MVC3 was a good game. Marvel versus Capcom 3 was fucking terrible and I'm glad they are changing it, despite all this weird nonsense we've seen with the game so far.
I have my share of problems with MVC3, but it's ok. But I still think that game looks ugly af, it's way too dark, too much black on character outlines. Too much black on EVERYTHING. Yeah I know they did it to look like a comic book; and it looks like some dark dark shit
MvC3 didn't have people saying stupid things before the game was out. That's not just having fun, that's legitimate criticism against the devs and the game.
'You've got every single important DMC character except Nero.'
R.I.P. Lady ;_;
It's true though...
With how laughably small the roster is compared to past MvC games, Capcom needs to own up and call this game what it really is. Avengers vs Capcom. With no Xmen, no Spiderman extras, no Defenders, no Fantastic Four? It's just the Avengers, own up to that shit.
samzilla567 It's basically Marvel Superhero vs Capcom 2
samzilla567 Venom is in the leak list.
Gamer YTP That's cool
Gamer YTP as dlc if I'm correct? Or just leaked.
samzilla567 it's smaller than mvc2 and 3 that's it it's also a 2v2 fighter which requires less characters then a 3v3 and they do have spiderman and guardians characters
hitboxes vs hitboxes: fate of two frame data
theqman24 the new world of function fighter 3
is it sad that i actually want a function vs function game, where there is only base male vs base female with base boss and base secret final boss.
you prolly dont give a shit but if you are bored like me atm you can watch all of the latest movies and series on instaflixxer. I've been watching with my brother for the last couple of months xD
@Lincoln Judson definitely, been watching on InstaFlixxer for years myself :)
when fans constantly asked for Red Hood as DLC in Injustice 2, it wasn't because they wanted a gun-fu moveset. You could have made him another zoner and while MINOR disappointment would be had, they'd still be glad he's at least in the game.
If you'd have asked me, I'd have said I wanted a gun-kata character, but I sure as hell didnt put hours into learning Red Hood because of that.
Similarly, if the Punisher was put into MvCI, I'm going to play them even if I hate their moveset. Meanwhile, Chris in 3 was basically a "gun dude", and I never touched him.
If the game is all about function then where, or who, are the replacements for Tron Bonne, Phoenix Wright, and Amaterasu?
same goes for M.O.D.O.K, Vergil, Shuma Gorath, Iron Fist, Felicia, Super Skrull, Taskmaster
I LOVED playing as Task master, and I hadn't even _heard of_ the character before.
Imagine if Smash removed all characters if they had no unique function. There'd be like 12 left.
@Tundra Itegami Even if you're nice and leave Little Mac for having a slightly different Counter, cull some sword bros and drop another 1/5.
Smash, but all of but one of each Brawler, Swordfighter, and Gunner-
actually, screw it. just make em all miis
“Characters are just functions, Charizard case in point has fire breath, well guess what, Bowser has fire breath too, go ahead try them out” -Alternate universe Sakurai
If it was just about function, they would have done what injustice does with their premier skins, "oh so you don't like captain cold, well here's a skin that turns him into Mr Freeze". marvel didn't put Xmen an because they want to be assholes to fox
MvCI feels like such a big middle finger to fans of the characters of both companies. Like, yeah, you can appeal to the competitive scene all you want, but the majority of people who want to play this game play it so they can use their favorite characters from Marvel and/or Capcom's franchises, ESPECIALLY Marvel's since they are the most popular mainstream wise. The biggest appeal about this game is seeing beloved characters duke it out. You're bound to have fans PISSED when you exclude popular and beloved characters under the excuse of them being just ''functions''. Like, imagine if Nintendo took Samus out of the next Smash Bros, replaced her with the guy from like that Wii game called The Conduit and then said ''Oh, but Samus is just a function, so who cares? This guy can do the same shit''. That's basically what Marvel/Capcom allowed for one of their PR people to say, and considering Marvel's behavior and attitude towards the X-Men in the past couple of years, it's EXACTLY what they think of the X-Men and their fanbase. The fans, outside of some the competitive try-hards, don't give a shit about functions, tiers or whatever the fuck. They want to see their favorite characters in a game they can have fun playing.
Also, screw Carol Danvers. She sucks as Captain Marvel.
A "middle finger" seems too much, what I could gather the ONLY way this game could have happened because of contract bullshit was if it was released by the time it was, which means Capcom barely had any time to cook something up, that's why this end up MVC Infinite re-hash. Between not having a game or having a mediocre one I dunno which one is worse
Healthbars vs Healthbars: whoever gets empty loses!
INFINITY FUNCTIONS
I'm shaking my head with the most disgusted look on my face
Look....I LOVE the Marvel cinematic universe. But THIS shit isn't okay. The roster should be WAYYYYYYYY larger than what it is right now and there are a lot of characters, On Marvel's side and Capcom's side, that are missing big time.....
I feel like what a lot of the problems boil down to is that a while back, Capcom was like "we're going to make this game hyper detailed to the pint where you can see everyone's pores and stuff." And then they just decided to go for it instead of using that potential budget to make the art style and roster actually good and they're paying for that shit right now.
I mean, I'm oversimplifying shit like crazy, but they're putting WAY too much work on stuff that people don't care for instead of just trying to make something simplistic looking that would fit these clashing designs better and let them do more characters that people would be more into.
Good point. And Marvel is kind of at fault here too. If they wanted to capitalize on the upcoming Infinity Wars, they could have either commissioned someone to make an original game for them, or have games made that are based on the Avengers movies. They probably wouldn't have been slam dunks, but it would at least give Marvel vs Capcom some breathing room.
People on this friendcast is on point. In a vs game, the roster is the most important thing. We understand that about Marvel and their desire to push the MCU. But the lack of Dr. Doom alone disappoints me. Their are characters who interest me, but I'm not buying this immediately.
you'd think with such a big universe to pull from they'd at least be able to at least bring in some more new characters like kamala khan or moon knight, characters that at least could use some exposure.
+angrybrony ikr. Give me Silver Surfer, diff incarnation of Hulk (looking at you Dr.Green), etc. Marvel is so diverse with so many fun characters to work with in this game.
The number one problem with this statement is that it's not REALLY an explanation for why they took out the characters, the statement is Capcom trying to get their fans to shut up.
Pat mentioning the Monster Hunter makes me wonder how the hell they're gonna refer to him in the story in which they refer to people by their full name.
I'm going to make a hard bet that they're going to play a super small part and Thor is going to specifically call them "Hunter of Monsters." Because that's like his thing here, just re-wording shit in a way that sounds old fashioned and stuff.
If Black Panther shows up and he has like Wolverine's claw slashes and foot dive, then I'm going to flip my shit over it. And a LOT of people are probably going to be stupid and give it a free pass because "You can't hate on a black guy", but fuck it, that would be the biggest fucking middle finger ever and I'd call that shit out as much as possible for just cutting out a character and practically re-skinning them for DLC!
He is ,He will, and and be ready to shill out cause he's DLC
But there's one major flaw to the "You can't hate on a black guy" Black Panther replacing Wolverine argument that directly links to both characters ironically: Storm. She's black, female, been around since the beginning (not in every game, but the first and last ones were among them) and one of the X-Men. So what justifies her exclusion and whoever gets her "functions"?
The top players and the people who care about that sort of shit aren't even a large portion of the user base; they're a _microscopic_ portion of it, absolutely _dwarfed_ by the casual player. The average player doesn't give a shit about the "meta" or who's "top tier" or which mechanics are associated with which character, and the majority of _those_ don't even know what those things mean in the context of the game. Developing only for that microscopic portion, or trying to justify _literally any_ decision from that perspective when talking about marketing, is completely idiotic. Even I, a player who's aware of all of this, pick Spider-Man because I want to play as god damn Spider-Man, not because I wanted to pick someone who had a freeze mechanic.
If you aren't developing a game like this for what the average fan wants first, you're doing it wrong, and if you're on the outside trying to argue in favor of any such decisions, you're doing it even worse, because the first probably avoided from a financial perspective, while the second didn't even put it into consideration.
Online mode in a demo is possible plenty of games did it.
War for Cybertron, a licensed transformers game from 2010 had an online mode in the demo.
I hope MVC4 has no characters at all, just stick figures that play differently with of course, different functions
MvC without X-Men is like Jump Super Stars without Dragonball. Its consistently one of the more popular franchises used in the game, why is it gone?
It's such a fucking crime...And what's sad is that there are other X-Men characters they could put in that weren't in any of the previous MvC games. Imagine Nightcrawler or Blob in MvC. That'd shit would be hype.
Imagine a Jump-Stars made by Arc System Works.
Li-Li Mandragon Dragon Ball FighterZ exists. One step closer..
Weird, Matt pronounced jobber like "Morph"
Capcom just disappoints me most of the time
CerialStar the days of capgod are no more
no Breath of Fire Ryu, no buy.
My question is: should we hate-play this game? Should we only play this game to make fun of it? Is it even warranted?
No, because then the get the money. Just wait it out and if an Ultimate version comes out or something, then get THAT because THEN you can have the good version with Venom and be like "Why wasn't this what the game originally was?!"
I wanted Ava Wong and Lady from DMC3. Feelsbad. Marvel vs. Capcom was assasinated. MCVI was the target, Dragon Ball FighterZ was the killer, and Capcom issued the order
you know its kinda strange that they complain that characters that showed up once in the Marvel Vs series should be X'd for other characters. Why not just add more that way everyone is happy. Shit wouldnt be balanced whats so ever but thats what Mahvel is all about
You know what? I'm so fucking tired of dreading this game. Ever since it's announcement, I've gotten less and less hyped about MvCI every time some new info comes out. So, I'm instead going to look forward to this game's seemingly inevitable flop. From now on, I'm going to laugh at every bad decision they make.
I very much care that monster hunter is in this game. It gives this game a glimmer of hope for me.
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Um Leon was in Project X Zone 2... have they not heard of PXZ2?
Santi Kun oh. That is kind of a shame since the sequel at least tried to improve things from the first game and NXC. It is nowhere near as tedious as the last two games.
I dunno, I'd still argue that it's pretty tedious to go through.
And this is coming from someone who specifically modded his PS2 back in the day to get the game. (As well as worked on the fan-translation team)
「Saito」I can see what you mean but I am just saying that it did improve from the last game.
No Javier Molina, Woolie was referring to Leon in regards to MVC games not Capcom crossovers in general. And he's right Leon hasn't appeared once in the fighting games despite beating Chris and Jill in popularity.
Has there ever been a real guest character like outside of capcom and Marvel in a mvc vs game?
You know, ever since I first played MVC3, I've only ever had one character request: Maximo. I really wish Capcom would dump that dork Arthur and put Maximo in. Maximo never gets any love.
It's not pronounced 'Mewgen'. It's 'Moogen'.
Mugen is Japanese for 'Infinite'
I just don’t get the thought process of giving a bad explanation to the people that are willing to give you money and piss them off when the thing is mediocre or bad.
Im so fucking mad tronn bonne isnt in it anymore
Do people even know the xmen anymore lets throw in some more well known characters like miss marvel and nova
I'm going to contradict them a bit because I personally am one of those people who Combofiend is talking about who looks for function over form. I pick my mains in a fighting game from the reverse of these guys - I look for what their gameplay style is first, and I don't really care about aesthetics or a character's backstory or if they have big tits or anything. If a character from a previous game is in a new iteration of that game but they play differently, chances are I'm probably not going to pick them and I'm going to pick a different character who plays more like the first characters iteration.
THAT BEING SAID, I still understand that not everyone is like me and that character attachment is very strong for most people who play fighting games. So although I don't care about that stuff, I know how important it is for other people. So I understand where they're coming from here.
So theoretically what would you do if most of the characters you like were out of the game? I remember Pat talking about him not caring for the 1st 2 Smash Bros games since Ike and Dedede weren't in them and I had that issue with SF5, where of the starting roster the only characters I liked were Cammy, Ryu (who I play begrudgingly when there's no Cody or Sakura), Zangief (again begrudgingly because no T. Hawk), and Rashid (who I wouldn't know about until I picked it up later when it was on sale) and I'm someone doesn't lock down on mains and likes to float around the roster and play a 1/3 to 1/2 the cast in most games.
Zane Seibert Simple - I'd find a different character who played similarly or just generally matched my playstyle and play them.
While it's fine for them to have shit for the FGC they are doing so at the cost of the larger casual market that can also make it harder to attract more people to it.
So you're the rare technical player to which Combofiend was referring. Truly, a sight to behold.
On one hand, I understand the idea of liking how a character plays rather than who or what a character is. It's respectable. On the other, I'm really glad you understand why the roster in a *crossover game* is a really important draw. Good on you for enjoying a game for its functions. I really wish I could completely sympathize with both sides of the argument, but such is life. I want to see a crossover game with a wild roster.
Particularly, I'm mad that Asura's not on Infinite's roster, at least not yet. I'm sure he'd play a lot like some other character with pure fist attacks, but that's not what I personally care about in a crossover game.
Either way, cool to see someone out there who not only has a different opinion, but is generally agreeable.
Now that's fine but this is a game with so much legacy the hole point of the game is that super coll capcom caracters ar fighting coll marvel caracters and this has so little os that of corse people are gonna complain about it
I just want Ivan. Look no further than my profile pic for the why.
I was following along until they said drop Frank West because he's Jill
As fun as it is to shit on marvel Infinite, can we not pretend that MVC3 was a good game. Marvel versus Capcom 3 was fucking terrible and I'm glad they are changing it, despite all this weird nonsense we've seen with the game so far.
I have my share of problems with MVC3, but it's ok. But I still think that game looks ugly af, it's way too dark, too much black on character outlines. Too much black on EVERYTHING. Yeah I know they did it to look like a comic book; and it looks like some dark dark shit
Okay, I'll bite. how was it a bad game?
nickismader yeah but at least the roster (in terms of characters) was fine (definetly better than MVCI)
Am I the only one who's just happy to see DC winning at something for a change?
MvC3 didn't have people saying stupid things before the game was out. That's not just having fun, that's legitimate criticism against the devs and the game.
Ironically smash does the opposite of marvel in the sense that they'll shamelessly have clone characters cough melee cough and smash 4 cough.
Yeah..because games are to be fun!!