And you'd be utterly dumbfounded to know just how many sub (and surface ship) commanders can't grasp this single fact. The one thing that every leader absolutely *must* keep in mind at all times is, treat your people like gold. Treat them like the valuable assets they are, treat them fairly, and with respect, and they'll walk through hell for you when you do. Treat them like caretakers of that "40 million dollar computer" and they won't go one extra inch for you. They'll do the barest minimums to get by. And that applies to *every* profession and industry, not just submarines or the Navy.
Enjoy how the pen is laying down the line, on it’s last legs…. An insightful piece of set….. And how these three men have come to know and trust one another in skill sets that count.
Thanks for the information. Scott Glenn and Courtney Vance are both first rate actors. It is too bad that neither became stars. Was Scott Glenn a Vietnam veteran?
@@davidallbaugh6858 Technically, yes. However, my dad was a two tour veteran (including Korean War), but he never once referred to himself a veteran. The only thing he said is that he did his duty, and that was in the past. He said it was nothing to be venerated. He was not special.
And rightfully so. Jonesy went from Sonarman Third Class right over Second class, because that's how important this discovery was. And as it's been mentioned, he got that Hollywood Shower too.
@@lancer525 Jonesy is wearing a second class crow in this scene. It is kind of weird that in the earlier scene about Pavarotti/Paganini, COB refers to him as "Seaman Jones." One of those glitches that movies always seem to have.
Well it was written during the Cold War about the Cold War…so yeah, can’t really knock that aspect can we? Especially since without it, the story doesn’t work at all.
The most advanced russian technology, ultra secret... defeted on a couple of days by Jhonsey and his tape recorder. Reminds me of a joke... whats big, makes a lot of noise, spends 30 gallons of fuel per hour and cuts an apple into 3 pieces.
all because one sub was doing its job and waiting for subs to come out of russia. if Red October has activated its Caterpiller drives insides its waters before a US sub heard it, or if noone one had been there to listen as it came out of its sub dock, noone would have ever known of its existence outside of Russia.
The older this movie gets, the better it is. More than a Cold War movie, or sub chase, it's a great story of the sea and the service. Then things went south with "Clear and Present Danger."
@@CombatIneffective especially with the Yehaw from the A-10 pilot that was just a crop duster Monday -Friday…. I think of that line in the book every time I watch the movie Independence Day
I've never read a lot of Clancy but everything I've heard is trying to keep everything in the same continuity wound up tripping him up over time. Clancy was at his best in books like Red October where the research and grounding really held up and then got wonky as he became more speculative.
hate to break it to you, but AI has gotten so sophisticated, it has beaten the best human chess player in the world....more than TWENTY years ago. soon, half if not a majority of cars on the road will be driven by AI, and SAFER too. currently, a lot of stock market trading is being done by computers. even future Doctors and Engineers have to fear for their jobs as AI is now being developed today that can solve the same problems only these professionals were once able to do. and even do it better. human instinct, i’m afraid, is not as faultless and/or amazing as you think it is.
My only Complaint is that they appear to have gotten the rank insignia wrong. He is a Captain 0-6 and introduces himself as such when meeting Rameus but his insignia is for a Commander 0-5 and I doubt an 0-5 is commandant of a nuclear attack sub.
Where do you see the Mancuso is an O-6? Commanders have been put in command of this class of sub before. In fact, one former sub officer I saw said that the typical commander of such a boat would be an O-5.
A veritable one man ASW team with his side kick seaman; a grease pen ( not a magic marker out of ink); and no First class or Chief (sorry, COB doesn’t count) division officer or anyone else as an AS division. WOW. How does he do it all without sleeping? 🤪 I think I took a trip on this sub at Disneyland CA decades back. Great ‘fantasy’ movie to a point but this particular ‘James Bond’ premise of it REALLY was total hot air. REAL NAVY ship’s and subs are teamwork operations to achieve success. Not Batman and Robin in the atomic Wiener Mobile. PS: Torpedoes don’t come with a self destruct key either at least on surface ships. Reality check just needed saying finally!!!
Any other sonar man probably would've written the sound off and listened to the computer. Just coincidence that Jonesy was on duty on that particular at that particular time. The character makes it into at least one other book and he's a brilliant guy.
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One of the greatest movies of that time!
Great scene. Loved the way it was portrayed in the book, too. A promotion and a Letter of Commendation, all for breaking the rules.
And a "Hollywood shower".
Billion bucks sub and it's most valuable piece 's still a good sonarist.
Sonarlogist?? What you said sonarist so why can’t I make up words lol
And you'd be utterly dumbfounded to know just how many sub (and surface ship) commanders can't grasp this single fact. The one thing that every leader absolutely *must* keep in mind at all times is, treat your people like gold. Treat them like the valuable assets they are, treat them fairly, and with respect, and they'll walk through hell for you when you do. Treat them like caretakers of that "40 million dollar computer" and they won't go one extra inch for you. They'll do the barest minimums to get by.
And that applies to *every* profession and industry, not just submarines or the Navy.
@@lancer525 they pretend to pay us. so we pretend to work.
Enjoy how the pen is laying down the line, on it’s last legs…. An insightful piece of set…..
And how these three men have come to know and trust one another in skill sets that count.
Yeah, grease pencils did that...
The Captain (Scott Glenn) is an actual Marine Corps veteran.
No wonder Sean Connery called him a cowboy. I never got that reference.
Thanks for the information. Scott Glenn and Courtney Vance are both first rate actors. It is too bad that neither became stars. Was Scott Glenn a Vietnam veteran?
Just 3 years, not exactly a "veteran."
@@javiermoretti1825 That is the usual period of service for an enlisted man, so yes Scott Glenn is a veteran of the Marines.
@@davidallbaugh6858 Technically, yes. However, my dad was a two tour veteran (including Korean War), but he never once referred to himself a veteran. The only thing he said is that he did his duty, and that was in the past. He said it was nothing to be venerated. He was not special.
"Jonesy makes Sonarman First Class today." - Captain Mancuso from the book
I was going to comment that in the book he got promoted. You beat me to it
And a Hollywood shower
@@Delmalgeri lol Yes. A Hollywood shower. I had forgot that part. Clancy's knowledge of the military was frightening
And rightfully so. Jonesy went from Sonarman Third Class right over Second class, because that's how important this discovery was. And as it's been mentioned, he got that Hollywood Shower too.
@@lancer525 Jonesy is wearing a second class crow in this scene. It is kind of weird that in the earlier scene about Pavarotti/Paganini, COB refers to him as "Seaman Jones." One of those glitches that movies always seem to have.
My most fav scene in the movie and the book lands it hard! Tom Clancy was one of my fav authors! Still is. RIP!
The plot is a Cold War relic, but as an action film it is absolutely great.
Well it was written during the Cold War about the Cold War…so yeah, can’t really knock that aspect can we? Especially since without it, the story doesn’t work at all.
‘Damn it Jonesy! Can you not draw a straight line without wrecking the felt on my pen?!’
It's a grease pencil. Very 20th century...
I Love the respect the Senior officer has for the Junior Enlisted !
The best movie
The most advanced russian technology, ultra secret... defeted on a couple of days by Jhonsey and his tape recorder. Reminds me of a joke... whats big, makes a lot of noise, spends 30 gallons of fuel per hour and cuts an apple into 3 pieces.
A Soviet machine, designed to cut apples into four pieces.
@@jacobtrowbridge7223 XD LOL
all because one sub was doing its job and waiting for subs to come out of russia. if Red October has activated its Caterpiller drives insides its waters before a US sub heard it, or if noone one had been there to listen as it came out of its sub dock, noone would have ever known of its existence outside of Russia.
"The *Theory Y* is strong with this one." Of the Captain -- for all you HR fans.
The older this movie gets, the better it is. More than a Cold War movie, or sub chase, it's a great story of the sea and the service.
Then things went south with "Clear and Present Danger."
Check out the books of both of these. What they cut from the movies would have made them some of the best movies of all time!
@@CombatIneffective Oh, I've read both multiple times. I'd love to see the A-10's bracketing the Kirov with flares on film!
@@vtbmwbiker that was such a beautiful part of the book. That would look incredible on film!
@@CombatIneffective especially with the Yehaw from the A-10 pilot that was just a crop duster Monday -Friday…. I think of that line in the book every time I watch the movie Independence Day
I've never read a lot of Clancy but everything I've heard is trying to keep everything in the same continuity wound up tripping him up over time. Clancy was at his best in books like Red October where the research and grounding really held up and then got wonky as he became more speculative.
Machines will never replace human instinct
hate to break it to you, but AI has gotten so sophisticated, it has beaten the best human chess player in the world....more than TWENTY years ago.
soon, half if not a majority of cars on the road will be driven by AI, and SAFER too. currently, a lot of stock market trading is being done by computers. even future Doctors and Engineers have to fear for their jobs as AI is now being developed today that can solve the same problems only these professionals were once able to do. and even do it better.
human instinct, i’m afraid, is not as faultless and/or amazing as you think it is.
Great blocking. Glenn listening is great acting
Trivia: One of Scott Glenns early roles was in the movie "Gargoyles". A weird horror flick.
Wierd but good .... saw it as a kid
For some reason I always remembered that the marker was always out of ink and I'd get irked seeing the line fade in and out as Jonesy drew it.
I always though those felt pens were so cool.
It might be a grease pencil and they do that. The advantage of them is that they're easily erased.
Yes, it was a grease pencil.
My only Complaint is that they appear to have gotten the rank insignia wrong. He is a Captain 0-6 and introduces himself as such when meeting Rameus but his insignia is for a Commander 0-5 and I doubt an 0-5 is commandant of a nuclear attack sub.
Where do you see the Mancuso is an O-6? Commanders have been put in command of this class of sub before. In fact, one former sub officer I saw said that the typical commander of such a boat would be an O-5.
Great scene, well acted, great story telling!
So basically, the fact that they now can detect the Red October makes the sub obsolete?
Jonesey needs a new pen.
Sure, we'll just nip out to the nearest Office Depot, pick up half a dozen boxes.
A veritable one man ASW team with his side kick seaman; a grease pen ( not a magic marker out of ink); and no First class or Chief (sorry, COB doesn’t count) division officer or anyone else as an AS division. WOW. How does he do it all without sleeping? 🤪 I think I took a trip on this sub at Disneyland CA decades back. Great ‘fantasy’ movie to a point but this particular ‘James Bond’ premise of it REALLY was total hot air. REAL NAVY ship’s and subs are teamwork operations to achieve success. Not Batman and Robin in the atomic Wiener Mobile. PS: Torpedoes don’t come with a self destruct key either at least on surface ships. Reality check just needed saying finally!!!
Such a cool scene - a couple of pros doing their thing.
I always thought something about this movie, other than Sean Connery
Jonesy was that dude.
Billion dollar submarine with a multimillion-dollar computer and it's still can't match the computer that the Lord God gave us
This is the dumbest comment here, congrats.
@@Mike-zf4xg just stating a fact..BTW one of my best friends is prior Navy and a sonar tech..but he never got his dolphins 🐬
@@michaelholomek5026 its still kind of incorrect. a computer is as good as its programming.
So what you're saying is the Caterpillar doesn't work and the entire premise of this film lasted 20 minutes?
Fab.
Any other sonar man probably would've written the sound off and listened to the computer. Just coincidence that Jonesy was on duty on that particular at that particular time. The character makes it into at least one other book and he's a brilliant guy.
What to listen for
Perfect scene. I’m only bothered by Jonesy’s use of a poorly inked marker.
It's a grease pencil. Very 20th century...
I only click because I want to know about the thumbnail
Billions of dollars of Russian research outwitted by one guy. Much like in real life regarding the F117.
I would like to buy the clock set at the beginning of the video.
This I designed 1982-83 Hallandale Florida which I wrote in secret though i had decided to map cannons I in the device and ended up on secret CIA service without knowing. The rest is classified
A man could not stand up to me but a feminist might try. Someone keep breaking into my home while my wife and I sleep in different rooms and because I feel all I have accomplished has been taken from me I also believe I could not trust a woman with my heart softfy Delihla My wife is a horticulturist
Pro tip: Stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking...