His best line in the movie. The whole movie from the box cover on down is about the genius of Ramius, but in this moment you realize that a lot of super skilled people all have to be at their absolute best for this to work.
The saddest part, and I wish they'd show that part as well, is when the Soviet sailors do the sign of the cross after the explosion. They truly loved the captain.
@@horseradish4046 state atheism meant that you should not express religion publically. Privately we were allowed to believe what we wished and the orthodox church had been around a lot longer. Only about 13% of Russians are atheists.
@@horseradish4046 Maybe during Stalin's reign (or even before that, when Bolsheviks were vying for power) but during Perestroika nobody was giving a f... about religion - sure, it was somewhat of a hurdle when you were trying to climb party ladder (high ranking bureaucrats, officers, factory directors) but for common soldat? Irrelevant. In 1984 (when story takes place) was also already firmly in bed with Party (ofc. subservient, but no longer threatened) like it was under Tzar and like it is today.
"The captain scared them out of the water!" is what the Russian sailor says when the American sub violently surfaces. One of my favorite lines from this movie.
yeah, also the part after they saw the underwater explosion (at the end of this clip) where they thought the Red October was destroyed along with their captain. they didn't know it was the Konovalov that was destroyed. Shame that scene wasn't included here...
I was going to make this post. Mancuso did a phenominal job with his first time commanding a boomer, much less one made by a foreign country and with no crew. Scott Glenn nailed the part too. He had icewater in the old veins.
the way Glenn says "right full rudder, 30 degree down angle", is one of the coolest things Ive ever heard, its so calm, so still, you can barely even hear him, its as ice water as ice water gets
My grandfather was a nuclear attack boat captain for a decade and then taught undersea weapons and tactics at the Navy training center Orlando for 8 or 9 years and I any situation he was the calmest and coolest of anyone that I have ever known. Rip "poppy"❤
The best part Of a film made during the ACTUAL COLD WAR is it portrays both the Soviet and American Captains as great combat tacticians and leaders. It could have easily been pro/anti soviet or capitalist but opted not to. 👏
Well, in point of fact, the Cold War was over when this was done. Hence, the message at the opening of the book/movie. That said, your thought still gets a Thumb's Up from me.
@@thomasmcginnis3783 The Cold War was officially over when the movie was released but not when filming first started or when the book was written. The book was published in '84, the movie started filming in April of '89 while Gorbachev and Bush never signed the treaty ending the Cold War until Feb '90. The movie then came out the very next month. There were initially worries from the studio whether anyone would want to watch a Cold War set movie so soon after the actual event ended but in the end it was still a success.
To be fair, the great combat tacticians and leaders on the Soviet side in this movie were defectors. The actual Soviets are still depicted as bumbling and incompetent. See the doctor, or the Soviet ambassador.
For those grousing how the Soviets were speaking perfect English, at the beginning of the film, they were speaking in Russian and mid-sentence, they "switched" to Engligh. We're asked to ASSUME that they are still speaking Russian. However, in the books, Ramius didn't speak English, he was learning it during his part in "Cardinal of the Kremlin"
Actually, when the Americans board Red October, they all speak English because the crew of the Dallas wouldn't be able to understand Russian. For the REST of the movie, though, that is correct.
Actually, in the book Ramius does speak English. His wife, who had travelled abroad because of her father's work, was fluent. She helped Marko by giving him books of mostly English language leftists, but occasionally snuck in some literature.
That doesnt explain why the Knovalov guys are speaking english with russian accent.. they should speak either perfect english or russian with subs (no pun)
Basil Poledouris, God rest his soul, was such a brilliant composer. He really enhanced the tension in this film! One of the few films I bought the soundtrack to.
I always thought his music added about $10m to the perceived budgets of Robocop and Conan - Robocop looks a bit cheap, but the soundtrack makes it feel like a big-budget epic.
You can 'still' buy the Soundtrack on CD. (I think?) I bought the Soundtrack CD for THfRO, and Crimson Tide, when the movies were right in the middle of their theater runs. Right now, I want to get the Spundtrack CD, for "Hunter Killer". The filmscore for 'that' movie, really powerful too! Especially in the closing moments of the when the USS Arkansas is leaving Russian waters, under safe escort, after she has managed to save the world, from almost blowing itself up.
I can't find this song anywhere though. It only exists with the background synth with no percussion and bongos lol. Where's the original song that's used in this clip?
Captain Tupolev would miraculously survive this encounter. He took to mentoring young adults in astrophysics and turned a over a new leaf by helping a stranger lost in the desert.
James Bond is commanding a Soviet sub, with Dr Alan Grant as his first officer, and Frank-N-Furter as his chief medical officer, and are being tracked by Bootstrap Bill Turner. Meanwhile Blake from Glengarry Glen Ross is married to Dr Beverly Crusher, is under the authority of Darth Vader, and is assisted by Professor Moriarty. And through it all, Quintus, the head of the Praetorian Guard is trying to fuck things up.
I is stated in the book that Alphas had hull made of titanium, extremely strong, and it is uncertain whether a single torpedo could ever damage them enough to sink them. "Red October" however was modified Typhoon class submarine, it was far bigger than "Konovalov". Certainly enough mass advantage to attempt to ram "Konovalov". Also it is stated in the book that "Red October" used to have maneuverability problems.
During the Battle of Leyte Gulf Halsey moved many fast battleships and fleet carriers to chase after a decoy fleet This left part of the gulf open to attack. It was attacked but unsuccessfully
During the Battle of Leyte Gulf Halsey received intelligence that a large force of Japanese carriers had been sighted several hundred miles away. Halsey was so fixated at destroying the carrier forces that he took the bait (and most of the US Carriers and fast Battleships with him), leaving the southern approach to the Leyte beach heads guarded by a force of old Battleships salvaged from Pearl Harbor (with a large escort of Destroyers and Cruisers). and the Northern approach guarded by nothing more than Escort Carriers and their escorts (Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts). The day prior a large Japanese feet had been turned aside by intense air attack (sinking the battleship Musashi) and during the night the Battle of Sarago Strait took place (a few heavy Japanese ships tried to attack the Leyte landings via the southern approach and sailed directly into the loving embrace of the massed American battle-wagons). The following day the Japanese force that had been turned aside the day prior (containing the Battleship Yamato several older Battleships and a large escort of Cruisers and Destroyers) had sailed into the unguarded northern sector of the Leyte engagement zone and happened upon Taffy 3 (a force of very explodable escort carriers and a couple of destroyers and destroyer escorts). Had Taffy 3 not been the most brass balled set of sailors ever assembled and had the Japanese not over estimated the size of the ships they were facing (firing armor piercing rounds when they should have been using High Explosive) and had the Japanese Admiral not done everything in his power to make a total mess of one of the easiest wins in naval history, the landings on Leyte would have been barraged by the Japanese navy as their transports sank. For his part Halsey never payed a major price for falling for the Japanese ruse though history remembers him as a bumbler that got very VERY lucky.
I love how the sailers all took their hats off out of respect for whoever died down there. It didn’t matter what country they were all submariners at that moment.
@@SonOfGod3000 Actually they did assume that Ramius had scuttled the Red October(and died in the process), as he said earlier that he would've done so(though he only said it to keep the Kremlin from finding out), plus the sailors weren't aware that the Konovalov was down there too, so they'd assume that any explosion other than the American sub Dallas would've been the Red October itself, which actually worked to Ramius's favor because the Soviets would've assumed the same and wouldn't investigate any further and thus rendering him and his officers safe. That said, the sailors' gesture was still a very touching moment as it shows how respected Ramius was.
@@jmwoods190 The Soviets did assume that the Red October was destroyed. A later scene has Soviet Ambassdor Lysenko meeting with National Security Advisor Jeffrey Pelt, and Lysenko telling Pelt that another Soviet sub is missing. Pelt, who knew the whole story, says "Oh Andrei, you've lost another sub?"
Only he could sell a line that stupid: "The hard part of playing chicken is knowing when to flinch." God dammit, that's the ONLY part of playing chicken! That's the whole point!
Maybe he said that for the Russians. Or because everybody thought that his mind had collapsed under the strain, and he just went along with his total coolness. Great performance by Scott Glenn, I agree!
Calle Söderberg I read somewhere that Glenn impersonated an officer on USS Houston to prepare for the role and was so convincing that the crew actually followed his orders without question.
What is interesting here, Ramius doesn't instantly re-assume command when he's back in the control center. He leaves Mancuso in charge to issue the orders, play out the strategy and finish the maneuvers - Ramius just observes and waits.
Plan was already in motion, he had been out on the con, his situational awareness would be low due to not being told up to date information. Plus he might have decided he'd be doing the same
@@shrapnel77 no, that shot was BELOW the sub-clavian artery, which runs right under your collarbone & ABOVE the lung - it would hurt like a mfing BI*CH, but it's not fatal, & the pain makes you pay attention... It's where EVERY sf operative is taught to aim - 2 shots to destroy the artery & then 1 shot in the lung 🫁 - a medic CAN'T put a square bandage on a ROUND gsw in the field. & you have to do SOMETHING, or the lung fills up with blood - you literally drown... ONLY thing that's gonna save you is SURGERY & you have LESS than a minute to clamp that artery with forceps & THEN you have to fix a sucking chest wound or the lung collapses... Saw someone bleed & drown like that & it took about 38 secs... Still were under fire & all I could do was use him as a human shield & be glad it wasn't a team member, ffs... You NEVER forget that sound of someone trying to breathe when their lung is fked...
I was thinking about this film last night as I lay unable to sleep....I was thinking what a great performance it was from Scott Glenn. TOTALLY believable as the Captain...he just pinned that role completely....he really is a fine actor.
@@brassbear3373 I forgot the Capt.'s name, but in a fine statement of attribution, Glenn said, "If you like that Captain (Mancuso), it's all Cap.t _____actual guy_____ -- I just channeled him." Great actor, pretty nice human, too.
I actually saw it in the theater with my dad RIP. I didn't like it that much, being only 12, and not being used to non action movies yet. I think I mainly wanted to see it cause of Sean Connery after Bond and Indiana Jones.
Not sweat---it is not in this clip, but when Ryan was sneaking up on the KGB agent, he dropped a worklight on the floor and the agent fired in his direction. The bullet hit a water/steam pipe and drenched Ryan.
actually mancuso very much questions ramseys tactics when the battle begins... then ramsey leaves the ship in mancusos command for some reason to pursue the sabatore ... i wouldve questioned mancusos abilities a bit at that point not being able to figure out what ramsey was doing, instead of thinking "he must be doing this for a reason, what is it?" he just defied him and told ryan to disobey.
I would be curious to hear feedback from some Naval personnel. I admire the fact that the Russian crew took orders from the United States captain as they would have from their own captain. Granted their own captain told them to, but I still admire the unflinching obedience to somebody who literally 30 minutes ago was trying to shoot them under
As someone once told me "At the end of the day, they're all sailors, stuck in a situation regardless of nationality where they are being fired at. They either work together quickly and try to survive.....or die together just as fast!"
It's been a long time since I watched the whole movie, but I could see the logic in putting Mancuso in charge. With the CO wounded and the XO (Borodin) KIA, it would logically fall to the next senior officer on deck. Furthermore, Ramius is professional enough to not give conflicting orders in a high-stress situation, as that would almost guarantee their deaths.
To be fair, Ryan in the books was an infantry platoon commander in the Marine Corps for a brief time. He'd have known how to smoke Russians with a service pistol.
What no one seems to get is that in the book, the business with the GRU agent and the battle with the other Russian submarine are two totally different sections. The GRU agent sequence happens just after Ryan boards the Red October and the battle with the other submarine occurs later, after Mancuso and Jonesy board the October.
Many things were changed or omitted, including specific reference to Ramius’s desire for revenge against a corrupt system that killed his wife. To film that brilliant book properly, it would have taken a miniseries format (a la the treatment given Herman Wouk’s “The Winds of War” and “War and Remembrance”) and a massive budget. I was far from satisfied with the way it turned out, but it’s still a great flick. BTW, the scene that opens this clip was filmed near Whidbey Island in Washington, near the base where much of “An Officer and a Gentleman” was made. My son-in-law is stationed there.
That came from the prep for the film. The guy who played the Dallas Captain went to spend a few days on a real American sub, and one thing he learned from this was that real Naval officers are always very calm - in fact the more intense the situation, the more calm they all become.
Stellan Skarsgård... Constantly stuck in Davy Jones Locker The proof?: Bootstraps Bill Turner - Pressed into service of the "Flying Dutchman" Captain Viktor Tupolev - gets outsmarted by Captain Marko Ramius, & has his own ship blown up/sunk by the torpedo he ordered his ship to fire at Ramius & Red October... See! He can't get out of it! Always getting his characters trapped in the locker
want some real excitement, gotta be there, on a Real boat... I was, Cold War... Russians sent a real torpedo at us, one fine winter day... we sent out the decoys.. did our thing and God, did His... still alive to remember...
@@trajan231 Don't forget him getting his arm chewed off and then his helicopter crashed, and having sharks throw him against the glass in Deep Blue Sea.. Poor guy..
Then he gets put in charge of cleaning up the worst nuclear accident in history and gets himself irradiated in the process. He just has no luck at all.
Ironically, this would have been plausible in almost any other submarine other than a typhoon. Most ballistic missile submarines have the missile silos located inside the pressure hull of the sub similar to what is seen here (but not quite as spacious. In the typhoon however, there were two pressure hulls side by side in the sub where the people lived and worked. Housed between these two hulls in a free flood space of the outer casing was the missile compartment. Because of this, there was no direct access to the missile tubes inside the submarine. A more plausible Soviet submarine would have been one of the Delta variants, since they had missile tubes in the pressure hull, and access hatches to the missiles to service them and inspect for leakage of the volatile liquid fuel.
It should be noted that this wasn't even known to the intelligence services until AFTER the Cold War. Clancy was working with pretty much the same information that the intelligence services had (i.e. practically none) during the Cold War when he wrote the book. So this goof is considered acceptable to those who knew of the situation at the time.
Ironically, while the Alfas were fast, they were very noisy. So, it we would be like you use them to do a quick drive by on enemy ship. Then using its speed, make a quick get away
Ramius thought of Mancuso as “some sort of cowboy” and while he was a squared away Captain, he won the way with a cowboy maneuver; playing chicken with a submarine
MEGA AGREE!!!! I liked him in Beetlejuice just a few years before October. Since then, basically "The Departed" -- I thought he was excellent in that -- and maybe one or two other roles. The rest? Not a fan.
Great quote. I liked the way the director had Glenn/Mancuso say that so calmly. But I have to believe that in "real life," a US sub captain would speak those words just as calmly BUT LOUDER. To ensure that they were heard clearly. What if some mechanical part of Red October had made a sound then?
I still find it funny they changed the ending to leading the torpedo in to the Alfa instead of the Red October ramming the Alfa in the book but I bet audiences couldn't imagine a sub surviving that
So I am guessing how the Konanolov sub got hit directly by the wild torpedo, my guess is that the Red October Sub had to pass the Konanalov sub very close as a decoy and then pass by the Konanalov seconds before the torpedo was 200 yards from impact. After the Red October went past the Konanolov, the Konanalov suddenly became a sitting duck and the torpedo was now clear sailing ahead to impact that sub and destroy it for good.
Once he turned at FULL speed & went to 40° down on the dive planes, the fast dive means he goes out of the view of the seeker head. The only target left is the other sub & the torp locks onto it... And the other sub is sitting still, so no time to react... 🤦♂️... like the guy told his CO - PURE arrogance... WHY would you EVER go into a fight like this & not keep up your maneuvering speed?... 😳😳😳...
That’s what happens when you remove all safeties on a torpedo. Also those Akula’s are running 50 knots the big D is turning 40+ and the Red October is good for 35+. Somehow all that fighting happens 200 yards of that Perry Class Frigate.
Did they make it the Russian way, right to left, or did the film makers not know and do it the Catholic way, left to right? I'll have to check next time. I was thinking the same thing about the Sign of the Cross scene. It's touching. There was a time when that was common...I think it still in some places like Mexico, when someone says so and so died, certain people will make the sign of the cross...or when bad news is said...do they do it in Russia, assuming you are Russian? I mean, some people anyway? I sometimes make it, here in America, when an ambulance passes or passing a cemetery.
It's not called "the Russian way". It is how Orthodox Christians cross themselves by going from right to left, instead of the Catholic left to right way. Orthodox Christians are mostly from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, Bulgaria, and Greece.
In the book, Tyler had lost a leg in an automobile accident and was taken off active duty. At the end of the book, due to his contributions to the whole situation, he's given back command of a submarine.
"The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch."
Only Scott Glenn could make that line sound so badass.
Then his quiet order to swing the Red October away from the torpedo. Just as equally badass.
@@tygrkhat4087 it's the same way he swung the bull into Bud.
@@tygrkhat4087 That's the mark of an experienced submarine captain, staring death in the face and still have ice water in the veins.
His best line in the movie. The whole movie from the box cover on down is about the genius of Ramius, but in this moment you realize that a lot of super skilled people all have to be at their absolute best for this to work.
@@DanKuhn Exactly. This is where Mancuso whips em out and make sure that Ramius knows he’s not the only one with a big brass pair.
The saddest part, and I wish they'd show that part as well, is when the Soviet sailors do the sign of the cross after the explosion. They truly loved the captain.
which I never got because atheism was enforced pretty strictly in the Soviet Union, those sailors would've probably gotten a bit of heat for that
@@horseradish4046 state atheism meant that you should not express religion publically. Privately we were allowed to believe what we wished and the orthodox church had been around a lot longer. Only about 13% of Russians are atheists.
@@horseradish4046 Maybe during Stalin's reign (or even before that, when Bolsheviks were vying for power) but during Perestroika nobody was giving a f... about religion - sure, it was somewhat of a hurdle when you were trying to climb party ladder (high ranking bureaucrats, officers, factory directors) but for common soldat? Irrelevant.
In 1984 (when story takes place) was also already firmly in bed with Party (ofc. subservient, but no longer threatened) like it was under Tzar and like it is today.
I wonder if the crew learned the truth. I hope Tom put that in his novels since then.
@@Spartanz1170 In the later book Ryan revealed that Red October wasn't destroyed and US had it.
You can only see it for a split second, but it always made me giggle seeing that torpedo having a huge red star on it's nose.
I'd never noticed that until watching this clip today, and I've seen this movie a dozen times or more. Lmao.
Another 'blink and miss it' moment is the pyrotechnics floating on the water when the 'sub' explodes.
too bad it wasnt a fist with the middle finger stickin up. lolz
Yep, every one of them bears its mark.
2:02
"The captain scared them out of the water!" is what the Russian sailor says when the American sub violently surfaces. One of my favorite lines from this movie.
yeah, also the part after they saw the underwater explosion (at the end of this clip) where they thought the Red October was destroyed along with their captain. they didn't know it was the Konovalov that was destroyed. Shame that scene wasn't included here...
@@apriswajaya In fact, they didn't even know that the Konovalov was there!
And the fact the other sailers responded by yelling “URA!!”……
Ramius may have been a legend in the submarine community, but this scene shows how badass a captain Mancuso was in his own right.
albatani27 ummmmmm.....he’s practically a legend....not fully lol
In the book, Mancuso is implied to be one of the best in the USN as well.
I was going to make this post. Mancuso did a phenominal job with his first time commanding a boomer, much less one made by a foreign country and with no crew. Scott Glenn nailed the part too. He had icewater in the old veins.
right full rudder....30 degree down angle.
@@Elthenar other than speed and handling, is there much difference?
"Ryan, some things in here don't react well to bullets." Too bad that classic line was not included in this clip.
+flint55 "Yah, like me. I don't react well to bullets."
Actually some things not "Some things" if you really want to get ridiculously picky.
Baldwin's Connery impression was spot on lol
@Blue Skeptic Rrrryan!
"I have to be careful at what *_I_* shoot at?!"
the way Glenn says "right full rudder, 30 degree down angle", is one of the coolest things Ive ever heard, its so calm, so still, you can barely even hear him, its as ice water as ice water gets
My grandfather was a nuclear attack boat captain for a decade and then taught undersea weapons and tactics at the Navy training center Orlando for 8 or 9 years and I any situation he was the calmest and coolest of anyone that I have ever known. Rip "poppy"❤
The best part Of a film made during the ACTUAL COLD WAR is it portrays both the Soviet and American Captains as great combat tacticians and leaders. It could have easily been pro/anti soviet or capitalist but opted not to. 👏
wish we had that kind of sanity of spirit today
Well, in point of fact, the Cold War was over when this was done. Hence, the message at the opening of the book/movie. That said, your thought still gets a Thumb's Up from me.
@@thomasmcginnis3783 The Cold War was officially over when the movie was released but not when filming first started or when the book was written. The book was published in '84, the movie started filming in April of '89 while Gorbachev and Bush never signed the treaty ending the Cold War until Feb '90. The movie then came out the very next month. There were initially worries from the studio whether anyone would want to watch a Cold War set movie so soon after the actual event ended but in the end it was still a success.
To be fair, the great combat tacticians and leaders on the Soviet side in this movie were defectors. The actual Soviets are still depicted as bumbling and incompetent. See the doctor, or the Soviet ambassador.
For those grousing how the Soviets were speaking perfect English, at the beginning of the film, they were speaking in Russian and mid-sentence, they "switched" to Engligh. We're asked to ASSUME that they are still speaking Russian. However, in the books, Ramius didn't speak English, he was learning it during his part in "Cardinal of the Kremlin"
It's beyond me how people watched the entire movie and never realized something so obvious.
Actually, when the Americans board Red October, they all speak English because the crew of the Dallas wouldn't be able to understand Russian. For the REST of the movie, though, that is correct.
Actually, in the book Ramius does speak English. His wife, who had travelled abroad because of her father's work, was fluent. She helped Marko by giving him books of mostly English language leftists, but occasionally snuck in some literature.
It's better than them speaking in a fake Russian accent. Of course it would be best for them to speak Russian with captions
That doesnt explain why the Knovalov guys are speaking english with russian accent.. they should speak either perfect english or russian with subs (no pun)
Basil Poledouris, God rest his soul, was such a brilliant composer.
He really enhanced the tension in this film! One of the few films I bought the soundtrack to.
so true, Poledouris was a maestro, his work on Conan and Robocop is on another level for suspense, emotion and intensity
him and Hans Zimmer....and then the other 10% in all movies.
I always thought his music added about $10m to the perceived budgets of Robocop and Conan - Robocop looks a bit cheap, but the soundtrack makes it feel like a big-budget epic.
You can 'still' buy the Soundtrack on CD. (I think?)
I bought the Soundtrack CD for THfRO, and Crimson Tide, when the movies were right in the middle of their theater runs.
Right now, I want to get the Spundtrack CD, for "Hunter Killer".
The filmscore for 'that' movie, really powerful too! Especially in the closing moments of the when the USS Arkansas is leaving Russian waters, under safe escort, after she has managed to save the world, from almost blowing itself up.
I can't find this song anywhere though. It only exists with the background synth with no percussion and bongos lol. Where's the original song that's used in this clip?
Captain Tupolev would miraculously survive this encounter. He took to mentoring young adults in astrophysics and turned a over a new leaf by helping a stranger lost in the desert.
Not before he swam to a shark research facility not to far away.
And that was before he cleaned up the Chernobyl disaster!
I love that "Blink and you'll miss it" moment where the split second before the torpedo hits the submarine, you can see the Russian star.
Kalaida Yeah, me too. :)
I always remembered seeing *something* when that torpedo hit, like a starburst or similar, but I never recognized it to be the Soviet star until now.
*Soviet
I first saw it as a kid, and my father never saw it until I pointed it out while in my late 20s. Before that, he always thought I was seeing things
Pause at 2:02 then play at .25 speed
0:37 - 0:57 no cinematographers were harmed during the filming of this scene.
I stand behind Alec Baldwin. Standing in front is too risky.
He was already warned in 1990 to be careful with gunshots.
The frame of the Russian who says “you’ve killed us” and then Stellan’s epic expression should be a meme.
James Bond is commanding a Soviet sub, with Dr Alan Grant as his first officer, and Frank-N-Furter as his chief medical officer, and are being tracked by Bootstrap Bill Turner.
Meanwhile Blake from Glengarry Glen Ross is married to Dr Beverly Crusher, is under the authority of Darth Vader, and is assisted by Professor Moriarty.
And through it all, Quintus, the head of the Praetorian Guard is trying to fuck things up.
DarthCipient this was fucking great, thank you.
DarthCipient Don't forget Wes Hightower in charge of the Dallas.
DarthCipient don't forget Stick being a fleet commander.
Who was Moriarty?
Nothing about a Law and Order crack, eh? Jonesy?
Movie: "Guys, we have to make the Konavalov's torpedo backfire and hit it, it's the only way!"
Book: "Ram the fuckers."
I is stated in the book that Alphas had hull made of titanium, extremely strong, and it is uncertain whether a single torpedo could ever damage them enough to sink them.
"Red October" however was modified Typhoon class submarine, it was far bigger than "Konovalov". Certainly enough mass advantage to attempt to ram "Konovalov".
Also it is stated in the book that "Red October" used to have maneuverability problems.
"I know this book, your conclusions were all wrong Mr. Ryan, Halsey acted stupidly"
True, he did.
Can you explain, for the less educated among us?
@@emeeses1836 I think it has to do with the Battle of Leyte Gulf and going after a Japanese decoy
@@emeeses1836 Just look it up. Wikipedia is your friend.
During the Battle of Leyte Gulf
Halsey moved many fast battleships and fleet carriers to chase after a decoy fleet
This left part of the gulf open to attack. It was attacked but unsuccessfully
During the Battle of Leyte Gulf Halsey received intelligence that a large force of Japanese carriers had been sighted several hundred miles away. Halsey was so fixated at destroying the carrier forces that he took the bait (and most of the US Carriers and fast Battleships with him), leaving the southern approach to the Leyte beach heads guarded by a force of old Battleships salvaged from Pearl Harbor (with a large escort of Destroyers and Cruisers). and the Northern approach guarded by nothing more than Escort Carriers and their escorts (Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts). The day prior a large Japanese feet had been turned aside by intense air attack (sinking the battleship Musashi) and during the night the Battle of Sarago Strait took place (a few heavy Japanese ships tried to attack the Leyte landings via the southern approach and sailed directly into the loving embrace of the massed American battle-wagons). The following day the Japanese force that had been turned aside the day prior (containing the Battleship Yamato several older Battleships and a large escort of Cruisers and Destroyers) had sailed into the unguarded northern sector of the Leyte engagement zone and happened upon Taffy 3 (a force of very explodable escort carriers and a couple of destroyers and destroyer escorts). Had Taffy 3 not been the most brass balled set of sailors ever assembled and had the Japanese not over estimated the size of the ships they were facing (firing armor piercing rounds when they should have been using High Explosive) and had the Japanese Admiral not done everything in his power to make a total mess of one of the easiest wins in naval history, the landings on Leyte would have been barraged by the Japanese navy as their transports sank. For his part Halsey never payed a major price for falling for the Japanese ruse though history remembers him as a bumbler that got very VERY lucky.
October the 1st 2013 will forever be remembered as a Red October as it is the day that we lost Tom Clancy.
7 years later October 2020 Sean Connery passed away.
And 7 years and 30 days later Mr Connery passed. Wow. In October. Unbelievable and unfortunately 😕
If I were the others I'd start side eyeing October.
@@TheWPhilosopher also Eddie Van Halen
@@sethstopcallingmeryandickh9067 did he do the soundtrack?
RIP Mr. Sean Connery
I love how the sailers all took their hats off out of respect for whoever died down there. It didn’t matter what country they were all submariners at that moment.
No you fool. They all thought Remius died.
And it’s “sailOrs”, not “sailErs”.
@@alexayers9463 That you Madam Mim for that unsolicited information.
@@SonOfGod3000 Actually they did assume that Ramius had scuttled the Red October(and died in the process), as he said earlier that he would've done so(though he only said it to keep the Kremlin from finding out), plus the sailors weren't aware that the Konovalov was down there too, so they'd assume that any explosion other than the American sub Dallas would've been the Red October itself, which actually worked to Ramius's favor because the Soviets would've assumed the same and wouldn't investigate any further and thus rendering him and his officers safe. That said, the sailors' gesture was still a very touching moment as it shows how respected Ramius was.
@@jmwoods190 The Soviets did assume that the Red October was destroyed. A later scene has Soviet Ambassdor Lysenko meeting with National Security Advisor Jeffrey Pelt, and Lysenko telling Pelt that another Soviet sub is missing. Pelt, who knew the whole story, says "Oh Andrei, you've lost another sub?"
Scott Glen really is fantastic in this one.
Only he could sell a line that stupid: "The hard part of playing chicken is knowing when to flinch." God dammit, that's the ONLY part of playing chicken! That's the whole point!
+antourte1 and he says it so calm... Like a boss!!!!
Absolutely. He definitely nailed that role. Loved his Spartanic nature.
Maybe he said that for the Russians. Or because everybody thought that his mind had collapsed under the strain, and he just went along with his total coolness.
Great performance by Scott Glenn, I agree!
Calle Söderberg I read somewhere that Glenn impersonated an officer on USS Houston to prepare for the role and was so convincing that the crew actually followed his orders without question.
All I can think of as I watch this scene is "you've lost another submarine?"
What is interesting here, Ramius doesn't instantly re-assume command when he's back in the control center. He leaves Mancuso in charge to issue the orders, play out the strategy and finish the maneuvers - Ramius just observes and waits.
He's also shot and should ne in shock.
Real recognize real
Plan was already in motion, he had been out on the con, his situational awareness would be low due to not being told up to date information. Plus he might have decided he'd be doing the same
I agree - one of those kinds of decisions that the smart men seem to get right in real combat.....and even in a movie....
@@shrapnel77 no, that shot was BELOW the sub-clavian artery, which runs right under your collarbone & ABOVE the lung - it would hurt like a mfing BI*CH, but it's not fatal, & the pain makes you pay attention...
It's where EVERY sf operative is taught to aim - 2 shots to destroy the artery & then 1 shot in the lung 🫁 - a medic CAN'T put a square bandage on a ROUND gsw in the field. & you have to do SOMETHING, or the lung fills up with blood - you literally drown... ONLY thing that's gonna save you is SURGERY & you have LESS than a minute to clamp that artery with forceps & THEN you have to fix a sucking chest wound or the lung collapses... Saw someone bleed & drown like that & it took about 38 secs... Still were under fire & all I could do was use him as a human shield & be glad it wasn't a team member, ffs... You NEVER forget that sound of someone trying to breathe when their lung is fked...
I was thinking about this film last night as I lay unable to sleep....I was thinking what a great performance it was from Scott Glenn. TOTALLY believable as the Captain...he just pinned that role completely....he really is a fine actor.
He based his performance off of a real sub captain that he and Baldwin met when they both did a "ride-along" on a real US nuclear sub.
Yes indeed...he is super...
@@brassbear3373 I forgot the Capt.'s name, but in a fine statement of attribution, Glenn said, "If you like that Captain (Mancuso), it's all Cap.t _____actual guy_____ -- I just channeled him." Great actor, pretty nice human, too.
Agreed, the 2 best performances were definitely Connery and Glenn
last thing the director of Rust saw 0:56
Hard to believe that it's been 30 years since "The Hunt for Red October" came out, (March 2, 1990).
Tom Clancy was a genius...
I actually saw it in the theater with my dad RIP. I didn't like it that much, being only 12, and not being used to non action movies yet. I think I mainly wanted to see it cause of Sean Connery after Bond and Indiana Jones.
I remember how somebody's mother thought the movie was about drugs because the silhouette in the poster looked like a needle. 😅
I saw this in the movies too. I was 20 and loved every minute of it. Some great films just stick with you forever. Red October is one of them.
Alec Baldwin is sweating as much as Robert Hays did in Airplane when he was trying to land the plane.
Not sweat---it is not in this clip, but when Ryan was sneaking up on the KGB agent, he dropped a worklight on the floor and the agent fired in his direction. The bullet hit a water/steam pipe and drenched Ryan.
To be fair, it's unlikely he'll ever get over Macho Grande.
"You arrogant ass! You've killed us!"
MichaelCollins1922 The best dialog of the movie
When you don’t care about being insubordinate because you’re dead anyway.
Very much enjoy the respect and trust shown between the two sub Captain’s tactics.
actually mancuso very much questions ramseys tactics when the battle begins... then ramsey leaves the ship in mancusos command for some reason to pursue the sabatore ... i wouldve questioned mancusos abilities a bit at that point not being able to figure out what ramsey was doing, instead of thinking "he must be doing this for a reason, what is it?" he just defied him and told ryan to disobey.
Game recognizes game
"Ryan be careful what you shoot at, most things in here don't react too well to bullets"
Alec Baldwin: Like my Cinematographer.
He was already warned in 1990 to be careful with gunshots.
Love that slight “I told you so” nod by Tupolev’s Lieutenant when staring in the face of death at 1:57 😂
Hey….you’re going to be dead in 5 seconds regardless. May as well get that final kick to the balls in while you can.
RIP Sean Connery
LOVE HOW THE GUN SOUNDS AND HOW JACK RYAN IS BLURRED OUT AND ITS JUST THE GUN....AWESOME DIRECTING.
I would be curious to hear feedback from some Naval personnel. I admire the fact that the Russian crew took orders from the United States captain as they would have from their own captain. Granted their own captain told them to, but I still admire the unflinching obedience to somebody who literally 30 minutes ago was trying to shoot them under
As someone once told me "At the end of the day, they're all sailors, stuck in a situation regardless of nationality where they are being fired at. They either work together quickly and try to survive.....or die together just as fast!"
@@bobpage6597 Thank you, sir.
In the bible Jesus said of the Centurion
Greater faith in all of Israel. I have not seen.
So those sailors had Centurion FAITH.
Sorta, but don't forget they were defecting and were all fighting for their lives to see the light of day. Point taken however.
It's been a long time since I watched the whole movie, but I could see the logic in putting Mancuso in charge. With the CO wounded and the XO (Borodin) KIA, it would logically fall to the next senior officer on deck. Furthermore, Ramius is professional enough to not give conflicting orders in a high-stress situation, as that would almost guarantee their deaths.
One of the greatest films ever made, and one of the last greats of the analogue era (not counting IMAX).
John McTiernan directed Predator, Die Hard, and this back to back to back. its as good of a 3 movie run as anyone ever imo.
I love this scene. I love sir Sean Connery.
They don't make movies like this anymore.
That torpedo hit Captain Tupolov so hard... he woke up as a tenured math professor in Boston years later.
[Good Will Hunting]
Well done sir,
Lol
"This has been a terrible tragedy, Mr. Ambassador. And I can only stress that if you had come to us earlier, it might have been avoided."
Ryan is an “analyst” in the movie, and at the end of the day he’s the only one that actually shoots someone.
Well, one of two people to shoot someone. The other one is...the god damned cook :P
That turned into something of a running joke in Clancy's books, that Ryan the analyst was continually getting put out in the field.
@@jerodast ok you have a point 😂
To be fair, Ryan in the books was an infantry platoon commander in the Marine Corps for a brief time. He'd have known how to smoke Russians with a service pistol.
1:20 Mancuso looks up at Ramius to see even he understands/agrees with what's he's planning. Ramius's eyes seem to say "...interesting, I love it".
What no one seems to get is that in the book, the business with the GRU agent and the battle with the other Russian submarine are two totally different sections. The GRU agent sequence happens just after Ryan boards the Red October and the battle with the other submarine occurs later, after Mancuso and Jonesy board the October.
Many things were changed or omitted, including specific reference to Ramius’s desire for revenge against a corrupt system that killed his wife.
To film that brilliant book properly, it would have taken a miniseries format (a la the treatment given Herman Wouk’s “The Winds of War” and “War and Remembrance”) and a massive budget. I was far from satisfied with the way it turned out, but it’s still a great flick.
BTW, the scene that opens this clip was filmed near Whidbey Island in Washington, near the base where much of “An Officer and a Gentleman” was made. My son-in-law is stationed there.
So are we on a forum for the book or movie?
So?
"You arrogant a**, you've killed us"
*torpedo misses*
*awkward silence...*
Baldwin never misses.
That mfer would be court-martialed sooo fast for insubordination... & especially when being shot at...
😖🤦♂️😖
01:59 well i´ll be damned, It´s Stellan Skarsgård!
James Bond vs Erik Selvig.
"Get us over the Reactor!"
Baron Harkonnen, soon.
His son also killed his own crew and the Sampson.
"You've lost _another_ sub?"
The sound of the torpedo is horrifying...
Those early CGI effects are horrifying, too
@@VoyagesDuSpectateur still better CGI than the Hobbit Trilogy though
Pfft. I have seen 2019 movies with far worse CGI.
I'll take this movie's effects over today's by a long shot.
@@VoyagesDuSpectateur - Beats a guy in a rubber lizard suit stomping balsawood miniatures of Tokyo! : D
0:56 Meanwhile, on the set of "Rust".
He was already warned in 1990 to be careful with gunshots.
Fun fact: the russians actually recreated this scene. Starts of april 2022, but instead of a sub they used a guided missile cruiser instead.
0:57 The most clever decision in the movie history...
One of the best ever scenes in Hollywood
1:48 I like how calm the helmsman (Russian steering the Red October) was when he was given the commands by the USS Dallas captain......"Aye sir"
That came from the prep for the film. The guy who played the Dallas Captain went to spend a few days on a real American sub, and one thing he learned from this was that real Naval officers are always very calm - in fact the more intense the situation, the more calm they all become.
This is why you never play chicken with Sean Connery. Or a torpedo.
Well, technically he was playing chicken with Mancuso, though Tupolev didn't know that at the time.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you create a good soundtrack.
0:56 *POV:* the last thing you see working on a movie set before you die
Especially when it's Baldwin holding the gun 🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
crazy moves for "just an analyst"
Damm that's a lot of sweat coming off Alec Baldwins chin...
Its pipe water
Love the Red October. I even have a little 1:700 model of the Typhoon submarine.
Stellan Skarsgård... Constantly stuck in Davy Jones Locker
The proof?:
Bootstraps Bill Turner - Pressed into service of the "Flying Dutchman"
Captain Viktor Tupolev - gets outsmarted by Captain Marko Ramius, & has his own ship blown up/sunk by the torpedo he ordered his ship to fire at Ramius & Red October...
See! He can't get out of it! Always getting his characters trapped in the locker
He's fucked on land as well. He gets killed off in Ronin and in both versions of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.
want some real excitement,
gotta be there, on a Real boat...
I was,
Cold War...
Russians sent a real torpedo at us,
one fine winter day...
we sent out the decoys..
did our thing and God, did His...
still alive to remember...
Just to point out, Bootstrap Bill actually voluntarily joined the Dutchman's crew
@@trajan231 Don't forget him getting his arm chewed off and then his helicopter crashed, and having sharks throw him against the glass in Deep Blue Sea.. Poor guy..
Then he gets put in charge of cleaning up the worst nuclear accident in history and gets himself irradiated in the process. He just has no luck at all.
This is the backstory of how Bootstrap Bill wound up serving on Davy Jones' ship
Took the words out of my mouth.
...and also Bootstrap apparently got blown back in time a couple centuries. 😂
Such a great movie they dont make them like this anymore and never will!
0:57 I wonder if Tomas Arana ever sees his own work, maybe he now looks at this scene wincing, "That could've killed me."
Remember. Once that guidance wire is gone, the torpedo is NOT your friend.
Andrei...you've lost another submarine?
Ironically, this would have been plausible in almost any other submarine other than a typhoon. Most ballistic missile submarines have the missile silos located inside the pressure hull of the sub similar to what is seen here (but not quite as spacious. In the typhoon however, there were two pressure hulls side by side in the sub where the people lived and worked. Housed between these two hulls in a free flood space of the outer casing was the missile compartment. Because of this, there was no direct access to the missile tubes inside the submarine.
A more plausible Soviet submarine would have been one of the Delta variants, since they had missile tubes in the pressure hull, and access hatches to the missiles to service them and inspect for leakage of the volatile liquid fuel.
It should be noted that this wasn't even known to the intelligence services until AFTER the Cold War. Clancy was working with pretty much the same information that the intelligence services had (i.e. practically none) during the Cold War when he wrote the book. So this goof is considered acceptable to those who knew of the situation at the time.
Ironically, while the Alfas were fast, they were very noisy. So, it we would be like you use them to do a quick drive by on enemy ship. Then using its speed, make a quick get away
True, but irrelevant.
I like how they make 30 knots seem like 500! It’s hard to make slow moving boats exciting.
Amazing scene, I especially like the part where the torpedo missed and Alec Baldwin shot the cinematographer.
😮
I see what you did there.
😂🤣 grade A+, I wish I had more than a single like to give
Knowing you are dead, not being able to do a damn thing about and having seconds or minutes to think about it.
I like the part at the end when the Russians have to admit they lost another sub (this one).
That was awesome! I can imagine the Americans "finding" it years later when they handed Red October back claiming they'd killed each other.
You've lost another submarine?
he had diplomatic immunitehhhh!
@@TheWPhilosopher - I could imagine the CIA ordering "Red October" scuttled in secret to avoid "complications."
@@scootergeorge9576 true however handing it back in pieces with the other sub pieces would back up story they killed each other.
When I'm not kissing babies,I'm stealin thier lollypops
So far, only 1 person has hit dislike and then slipped on tea, courtesy of Marko Ramius. ;)
Yeah, it's the Political Officer Putin
More tea?
RIP sir Sean
"With so many submarines to chase, the torpedo ended up suffering a complete breakdown"
Ramius thought of Mancuso as “some sort of cowboy” and while he was a squared away Captain, he won the way with a cowboy maneuver; playing chicken with a submarine
I adore this movie.
Poor Dr. Selvig. He was just trying catch Ramius.
"The GODDAMN COOK!"
0:56 alec did it 30 years ago
0:57
Damn. Baldwin lit that guy up like he was the Cinematographer!
Too soon?
This was back when Baldwin could actually act.
Seventh Mist way before his daughter slowed him down
MEGA AGREE!!!! I liked him in Beetlejuice just a few years before October. Since then, basically "The Departed" -- I thought he was excellent in that -- and maybe one or two other roles. The rest? Not a fan.
He's ok in the Edge. His whole family sucks at acting
Yeah, he delivered a KILLING performance.
Yup. This and Beetlejuice he was great
I love when Jonesy says “ captain” lol
Nobody
Alec Baldwin when the cinematographer says do another take 0:57
I keep this awesome scene on mind after about 20 years.
How close is that Alfa, Jonesy?
1000 yards, dead astern, going to port
Right fuller rudder, 30 degree down angle.
Great quote. I liked the way the director had Glenn/Mancuso say that so calmly. But I have to believe that in "real life," a US sub captain would speak those words just as calmly BUT LOUDER. To ensure that they were heard clearly. What if some mechanical part of Red October had made a sound then?
@@douggriggs1499
It's for dramatic effect but it works. Mancuso knows there is no in-between... he's either got them or he's f***ed.
@@douggriggs1499 Not only that, but he was giving orders quietly in ENGLISH to a barely English speaking Russian crew member at the helm, lol.
I still find it funny they changed the ending to leading the torpedo in to the Alfa instead of the Red October ramming the Alfa in the book but I bet audiences couldn't imagine a sub surviving that
So I am guessing how the Konanolov sub got hit directly by the wild torpedo, my guess is that the Red October Sub had to pass the Konanalov sub very close as a decoy and then pass by the Konanalov seconds before the torpedo was 200 yards from impact. After the Red October went past the Konanolov, the Konanalov suddenly became a sitting duck and the torpedo was now clear sailing ahead to impact that sub and destroy it for good.
yep, and Tupolev had all of his safeties removed from his torpedoes
Whole lot more complicated than how it went down in the book: Red October simply plowed over the Konovalov.
Once he turned at FULL speed & went to 40° down on the dive planes, the fast dive means he goes out of the view of the seeker head. The only target left is the other sub & the torp locks onto it... And the other sub is sitting still, so no time to react... 🤦♂️... like the guy told his CO - PURE arrogance...
WHY would you EVER go into a fight like this & not keep up your maneuvering speed?... 😳😳😳...
Way to go Dallas!
Basically, Stick blows up Dr. Erik Selvig in this Scene.
This time Quintus tried to sabotage a ship 😍😍
*subtitle at the very beginning*
"The captain scared them out of the water!"
Love the Jack Ryan movies, would've like to see Alec Baldwin continue on as Jack Ryan
That’s what happens when you remove all safeties on a torpedo. Also those Akula’s are running 50 knots the big D is turning 40+ and the Red October is good for 35+. Somehow all that fighting happens 200 yards of that Perry Class Frigate.
Not an Akula---the Konovalev is one of predecessor, the Alfa. Still, point taken.
How close are we to this
"You killed us.
0:32 those subs
r/whoosh
I really hate the guy who shot and killed Captain Borodin and tried to shoot and kill Captain Ramius and Ryan
Thumbs down for ending the clip before showing the Soviet sailors making the Sign of the Cross.
Amen! To hell with the new PC BS!
*THIS! IS! 'MUR'CA!!!*
Did they make it the Russian way, right to left, or did the film makers not know and do it the Catholic way, left to right? I'll have to check next time. I was thinking the same thing about the Sign of the Cross scene. It's touching. There was a time when that was common...I think it still in some places like Mexico, when someone says so and so died, certain people will make the sign of the cross...or when bad news is said...do they do it in Russia, assuming you are Russian? I mean, some people anyway? I sometimes make it, here in America, when an ambulance passes or passing a cemetery.
@@brandonwainscott7491 FYI..... the actual term for the making of the cross sign,...is genuflecting.
It's not called "the Russian way". It is how Orthodox Christians cross themselves by going from right to left, instead of the Catholic left to right way. Orthodox Christians are mostly from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, Bulgaria, and Greece.
@@scorpio66invt Genuflecting is kneeling in the aisle of the Catholic Church.
That order is so serious and cool.
Can't help but feel there's a small nod to the game Battleship with the 3 point explosion.
Was that gun 'cold'??
Ed Rooney became a civilian consultant for the Navy after Ferris got him fired.
"Wake up and smell the coffee......Ferris has been absent NINE TIMES, Mrs. Buheller!"
In the book, Tyler had lost a leg in an automobile accident and was taken off active duty. At the end of the book, due to his contributions to the whole situation, he's given back command of a submarine.
I guess he got board living with Lydia and the Maitlands.
@@tygrkhat4087 he was given the opportunity but he didn't actually take it.
Actually no that's the guy from Thirtysomething.