One State Solution - Episode 9 - One Year Later
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2024
- In this episode, recorded at the one year mark of the October 7th attack on Israel, and the ensuing gen0c!de of the Palestinians in Gaza - that is still ongoing! - Elik and Alon speak about everything that happened in the last year.
We discuss how our worldview changed, how we distanced ourselves from the Zionist cult, and how we found a new community - the movement to free Palestine.
In our thousands. In our millions, we are all Palestinians. Thank you for being a voice of reason. Keep up the good work. Love from California!
thank you for your insights and compassion. your israeli anti zionist perspectives and struggle are valuable.
True..
Omg you're back at last! ❤❤❤
Haha yeah in the two weeks I was in Spain and Catalonia I was mainly putting up content on my Instagram (look me up there - Roble_Viajero - if you want to see some of it!). Now that I'm back in occupied Palestine we I'll go back to uploading more of the long-form videos :)
@@HebrewCanaanitegracias compañero, totally checking it out! ❤
Keep safe guys. Power to you.
Good to see & hear you guys again. Also enjoyed the raw diatribe U shared from last Oct 7. ❤
Love you guys, keep doing more
Thank so much for your support. Take care and stay safe out there!
Hey guys! Love and solidarity to you both. Be careful and safe because god knows what it's like to go against the tide when govt is in full genocide mode! ✊💯🍉
Yeah we're thinking a lot about that. As for now it seems that the Zionist regime, and Israeli society in general, have decided to just ignore us completely instead of persecuting us. I have no idea when and if that might change, but if it does I would definitely consider leaving to somewhere else until Zionism dissolves...
Hi guys! I hope you are more and more heard in your country. And may the wish of peace prevail among everyone regardless of religion or ethnicity. So keep on doing these videos it is so refreshing!❤❤❤❤❤
I hope for all peaceful people who want to live in peace- Jews, Muslims, Christians to do so in a united and free of occupation Palestine! Peace, shalom, salam❤
Superb comment..
That is so naive for a place with so little trust between the populations like in Israel.
Two states solution is the way to end the conflict. This can happened when the Arabs decide they abandon the deadly and failed agenda of from the river to the sea.
When you decide you love and wish for your children to have a bright future and this will be more important than destroying the Jewish state than we can build this brighter future.
@@itsikmiz yeah so naive to think colonizers to stop colonizing more land and more minds , when in history you saw a western colonial mindset decide to be responsible and humble and give back what they stole or to spread ( love ) ?
Putting all the pressure on the weaker side is a hateful move to start with
Alon is right, as a species, we are consuming EVERYTHING without a single thought as to how this affects the entire planet and its sustainability.
And we have this sense of entitlement for being on top of the food chain, when in reality it should be replaced with a sense of responsibility
Yeah, I've been thinking for many years now that if we do a survey amongst all living beings, where we ask which is the worst, most violent, destructive, oppressive species on Earth, the top response, by a huge, huge margin, would be Homo Sapiens.
Please know that your insights truly represent so many of us....thank you..
Your conversations are so valuable, not just because you interrogate the situation in a very philosophical way but also because they're so personal, and few if any other people are doing this and also because you are two young anti Zionist Israelis. You're bound to be grieving the loss of a sense of belonging and having a place to call home that lives up to the narratives you grew up with. It's so sad from all sides. You didn't ask to be born in a settler colonial state or an apartheid state. That's a function of blind fate. But you didn't totally fall for the propaganda and you're doing your bit to change the narrative and ultimately the reality, which is brave when you're in such a tiny minority and your communities are so fanatical and extreme. Who knows what's going to happen in Palestine and elsewhere. There are powerful forces, not just Israeli extremists, around the globe, and especially in the US, who absolutely do not want peace. I hope you both stay safe.
Yes, we are fighting extremely powerful forces all around the world. This is why everyone that truly believes in peace, justice, equality and freedom for EVERYONE should come together. When we create connections between us, we become much more powerful, and this gives us a chance to actually resist the oppressive system. This is one of the main reasons I do what I do on social media - because it helps me find my allies and slowly build a community, which is the first step towards meaningful resistance.
Missed you guys ❤
I don't feel like I can give advice. It feels like you are taking risks with your decisions that I don't face in the Netherlands. I think you guys are inspirational and would like to watch your content for many years.
I’m struck by how isolated you guys must have felt for so long, it’s utterly heartbreaking to hear such kind, caring, intelligent and loving friends discussing the repercussions and realities of such a life. I am truly sorry from the bottom of my heart that you have had to feel like this. I’m from the UK, and yes we certainly have our issues over here but I can’t relate to your reality in Isreal at all, and that’s heartbreaking. I love your channel, been following you both for a while here and on Yalla, thank you for all you are doing. You are both very brave. I think perhaps a discord channel would be good, we could all chat in there fairly safely and we the community could help you feel less isolated? I’d join in a heartbeat! Thanks for another fascinating conversation.
Yes, the experience of opening up to the world, that is finally talking about what's going on in Palestine, and discovering how many good people who agree with me and appreciate what I have to say (instead of the usual contempt, ridicule, rejection and violence that I get here, inside the cult) has been truly wonderful and inspiring, and it gives me more and more strength and optimism with each passing day. For that I thank all the people in this online "community" that is being created here. And maybe some day I can even remove the quotation marks - who knows?
About the discord server - that's a really good idea! I will definitely consider it, only thing is that I have zero knowledge on how to create and maintain such a server, and quite frankly I'm already swamped just with keeping this TH-cam channel and my Instagram page and creating content for them, so I don't know if I'm up for the task of managing another project 😅
@@HebrewCanaanite I’m so happy to hear that. I think you are totally right to eliminate as much of the toxicity that you can from your life right now, that will help you feel stronger for sure. And I think you should remove the quotations!
Totally understand re the discord, I’ve only been in there myself since January and I don’t know much about it except it offers a space for online community’s to converse. I’m sure one of us could do the majority of the required work once you’ve opened the channel. Communal living and all, including virtually!
I don’t know why but Every time i hear ‘in our thousands and in our millions we are all Palestinians’ it makes me emotional. Something about it really rings true. Thank you both for continuing to keep speaking out and having hard conversations. It’s more valuable than you can ever imagine. I think often about that quote by Baldwin where he says the world is held together by the love of very few people and you both are included in this small fraction of people. I hope this love is contagious and more and more people join us
Yeah... My Turk ancestors were nomads who lived off the land. I dream about reverting to those days again. I keep telling my brother we should build a self sufficient commune with a huge community garden with a tiny house for each member or our "tribe." That would be real living. I really started wanting this after reading Civilized to Death: The Price of Progress. Actually that book made me an anarchist I think. 😄 My friends I am studying to get my teaching certification because I plan on shaping the minds of the future in this direction. 🙂
Amazing! Good luck with bringing nourishment instead of poison to the minds of young people
@@HebrewCanaanite It's not a book about anarchy, nor is it very political. It's a socio-anthropology work. It goes through the history of humanity and how civilization is a type of de-evolution in way. I listened to the audio version read by the author. It was such a good book. And made me question what civilization has done for us really and how states and borders are delusions and inhumane concepts. Pre-'civilization' nomadic/semi-nomadic human beings (especially foragers) were more egalitarian, cooperative, peaceful, collective and healthier in all ways (emotionally, psychologically, physically). Imperialists, Colonists, Nationalists used this ideology of a 'civilized' society to oppress us when it has actually made us savages. One of my favorites works at the moment.
Thank you guys ❤
Good to see you, my dear crazy friends !!!!
I love you guys. Thanks a lot for this. Good luck in your endeavours🍀
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Thank you!
Isaac Bashevis Singer: «In relation to animals, all people are Nazis; for the animals, it is an eternal Treblinka.»
One state solution for all of us ❤️
Please stay safe both. You have a mission on this earth and are much more valuable sharing your wisdom than as martyrs. I'm with Elik on this one - you don't need a whole country or the authorities going after you. One crazy individual would be enough. Not worth the risk! From personal experience, cults will do anything to preserve themselves. Even the most "moderate" of its participants can switch at any moment, which makes them unpredictable as a whole. Not trying to spook you, just really want you to be safe and well ❤
You have a home in Palestine. You are welcome to live in your home in Palestine.
The thing about speaking when you are angry is that you just loose the people before they could even try to understand you. Because it is hard for humans to view things from an other point of view, it is a process actually and therefore you have to be patient with them.
thank you both for keeping on
i feel that what you create between you is what is central to all life, all existence: the compendence of synergy
as you relate to oneanother as well as oneandother, something comes to life in the sphere you share, outgrowing both of you
and this is at the heart of the stuff i've been sharing with you, too. because we can synergize way more in our lives than what our current conditioning makes us believe
as we all free falasteen, we free the whole of kinship Eairth
The strongest tree in the forest.
Keep up the good work ahim
I love you guys
It is a world turned upside down when your common sense is a radical betrayal... Keep the spirit up!
Regarding what Elik is saying about coming to a loved one and telling them "you're a nazi" as the best and most loving approach, Oscar Wilde once said: "A true friend stabs you in the front".
Haha that's a really good quote, gonna use that one at some point!
Great segment on Catalonia!
Thanks! Felt a deep obligation and desire to talk about this since it is not very well-known, and yet so similar and so related to what's going on in Palestine. I think we should all educate ourselves more about how the system of Capitalism-Imperialism-Patriarchy-Religion oppresses so many different groups of people and other living beings, everywhere around the world and in many many different ways. But even though the superficial appearance of this oppression might look different in each case, the root cause is always the same.
Btw this is side note but surprisingly the origin of Mall is has a socialist background. The idea was that this space would be for the community for people to not only shop but go to the bank, post office, and provide as a third space for the community and for people to gather (and protest!) .
Is it possible to join your show I'm kurdish from syria , growing up with similar struggles and all the mess in the middle east i believe i have a good understanding to offer , i enjoy your show strangely, keep safe guys .
Your feelings are captured in "The dead flag blues", by Godspeed you black emperor. See their latest album, from last week.
The same way Turkey and Israel are the first ones to point out each other’s genocide, Israel and Spain do the same thing with self determination/independence movements.
“Israeli lawmaker Sharren Haskel proposed on Thursday that Israel respond to Spain recognizing a Palestinian state by recognizing the independence of Catalonia, the Basque Country, Galicia, the Canary Islands, and other Spanish regions seeking to break away.
The Blue and White parliamentarian sent a letter to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Israel Katz, arguing that if recognition of Palestinian statehood is based on a minority expressing an uncompromising desire for independence, then the Spanish request must be honored first of all in its own sovereign territory.”
It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.
Market ----> Ecosystem
Guys, I'll watch you later. I'm never quite sure how to classify your show, fiction, non-fiction, comedy, tragi-comedy etc. Ye live in this amazing alternative universe where everyone is happy and everyone lives with everyone else in peace, you couldn't make it up if you tried 😂. But BS aside, I love what you're trying to do, we all need a little hope at the moment. 👏👏
I think you're only truly alive when you're completely connected to reality, and imagining a utopian future.
While I'm writing this comment, I can't help but hear the deafening noise of a fighter jet flying above me, probably on its way to bomb and kill some people in Lebanon (or Gaza, who even knows at this point...)
And I feel this to my core, the anger and horror and despair of knowing that this is the case. And I know that it will demolish my soul if I don't at the same time imagine a future where there are no fighter jets and we all live together peacefully and equally, and resolve to do everything that I can - however little that may be - to make such a future possible.
@@HebrewCanaanite well, I can tell you that there are many, many here in Ireland who are hoping and praying for such a vision of the future, for all, in your 'neck of the woods' also.
Anarcho-capitalism is crazy, though. I think most people should get over it once they suffer from sewage contamination. It also has no way of dealing with historic inequalities created by class society, colonization, etc. let alone stuff like the ecological disaster we are confronted with. It only works for old rich guys who don't want to take responsibility for anyone or anything.
Yes, this is exactly the kind of arguments I will present when Elik and I do the "Best Flavor of Anarchism" episode ;)
Do you have sources that explain these points? Because all I have is years of thinking and listening to TH-cam essay videos, so I don't know if my argumentation is the most articulate in this subject 😅
@@HebrewCanaanite Hi Alon, unfortunately my perspective is probably not better sourced than yours. You can always point to some figures like Milei who claim the anarcho-capitalist label, to show that it is just an extreme form of neoliberalism... However, like for neoliberalism, socialism, anarchism, etc people can always argue that it just hasn't been properly tried yet. I will keep my eyes open for some sources. I am from a Trot current myself but there is a lot to left anarchism I can agree or at least sympathize with.
@@HebrewCanaanite For now I found this paragraph, part of a lengthy text, 'Anarchism: Arguments for and against,' by anarcho-communist Albert Meltzer, which mentions anarcho-capitalism.
Subheading in the text: Is Anarchism Compatible with Capitalism?
It is only possible to conceive of Anarchism in a form in which it is free, communistic, and offering no economic necessity for repression or countering it. Common sense shows that any capitalist society might dispense with a “State” (in the American sense of the word) but it could not dispense with organised Government, or a privatised form of it, if there were people amassing money and others working to amass it for them. The philosophy of “anarcho-capitalism” dreamed up by the “libertarian” New Right, has nothing to do with Anarchism as known by the Anarchist movement proper. It is a lie that covers an unpleasant reality in its way - such as National Socialism does in another. Patently unbridled capitalism, not even hampered by a reformist State, which has to put some limits on exploitation to prevent violent clashes in society, needs some force at its disposal to maintain class privileges, either from the State itself or from private Armies. What they believe in is in fact a limited State - that is, one in which the State has one function, to protect the ruling class, does not interfere with exploitation, and comes as cheap as possible for the ruling class. The idea also serves another purpose beyond its fulfillment - a moral justification for bourgeois consciences in avoiding taxes without feeling guilty about it - just as pacifism sometimes serves as an excuse for bourgeois consciences in avoiding danger without feeling guilty. Source:theanarchistlibrary.org/library/albert-meltzer-anarchism-arguments-for-and-against
11:31 palestine would have souks, they would revive their ancient souks and bazaars. ❤
"Souks instead of malls!" should be one of the slogans of our resistance movement XD
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War - ancient and modern (John Dewey)
...We may take the Iliad as a classic expression of war's traditional psychology as well as the source of the literary tradition regarding its motives and glories. But where are Helen, Hector and Achilles in modern warfare? The activities that evoke and incorporate a war are no longer personal love, love of glory, or the soldier's love of his own privately amassed booty, but are of a collective, prosaic political and economic nature.
Universal conscription, the general mobilization of all agricultural and industrial forces of the folk not engaged in the trenches, the application of every conceivable scientific and mechanical device, the mass movements of soldiery regulated from a common center by a depersonalized general staff: these factors relegate the traditional psychological apparatus of war to a now remote antiquity. The motives once appealed to are out of date; they do not now induce war. They simply are played upon after war has been brought into existence in order to keep the common soldiers keyed up to their task. The more horrible a depersonalized scientific mass war becomes, the more necessary it is to find universal ideal motives to justify it. Love of Helen of Troy has become a burning love for all humanity, and hatred of the foe symbolizes a hatred of all the unrighteousness and injustice and oppression which he embodies. The more prosaic the actual causes, the more necessary is it to find glowingly sublime motives.
"Israel" has no connection with Palestine, everything is so European, that's the reality, looks like a big Mall.
I visited Tel Aviv, to me was like visiting south California...
Boy, even worst.
Yes, Israelis love to think of themselves as part of Europe / USA. But they fail completely at it, which makes Israel into an even worse version of something that's already horrible and dystopic...
@@HebrewCanaanite and dude Israel has a beautiful culture... For example in arts like music... For example a very talented band Orphaned land... Among many others...
I only know the appropriation of other Culture from the Israelis, Its beyond my comprehension that after a year of Genocide People still defend Israel.
11:26 i think they will have something similar to "Al-Hamidiyah Market" that is in Damascus As part of the environment? Don't you like it?
For the most cogent and prescient analysis, read Lenin's "Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism," written in 1916. Imagine living in the US during the Vietnam war ...
Oh the title sounds extremely interesting!
Elik and I have had a vague plan to do live broadcasts where we read books and try to understand them together. Maybe that can be a good candidate for one of the episodes :)
I think the left in Spain is divided on Catalunya. However, I think that in Catalunya the left is more pro independence or for more autonomy. Like Catalan nationalism has a working class left slant to it. There might be some parallels to Scottish and Welsh nationalism. Flemish nationalism, although it originally did included genuine left demands like the right to education in your own language, has very much become dominated by the right or far right. Flanders is richer now so it is pay-back and we should not share with the rest of the country.
The Carles Puigdemont sneaking back into Catalonia for an appearance definitely was cool. However, the guy is a rather right-wing neoliberal politician. So okay, to oppose his persecution by the Spanish state is good because the Calalan people should have the democratic right to chose independence. However, I wouldn't support Puigdemont otherwise.
Sorry guys but two or one solution not even on their table...As an example see the reality in the north of Gaza, they're preparing settlements...
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Bless you both. 🙏🙏🙏
There is a clear disregarding of plant life as “not really alive”.
Assuming eating animals is wrong because they are living beings while simultaneously consuming plants is BLATANTLY HYPOCRITICAL.
That is unless you have delegitimised the existence of plant life…
good to see you alive and well and connected
Love you guys !!!
I Don't Mind Failing / Malvina Reynolds
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I don't mind failing in this world
I don't mind failing in this world
Don't mind wearing the ragged britches
'Cause those who succeed are the sons of bitches
I don't mind failing in this world
I don't mind failing in this world
I don't mind failing in this world
I'll stay down with the raggedy crew
'Cause getting up there means stepping on you, so
I don't mind failing in this world
I don't mind failing in this world
I don't mind failing in this world
Somebody else's definition
Isn't going to measure my soul's condition
I don't mind failing in this world
I don't mind failing in this world
I don't mind failing in this world
Never mind the custom suits
The gentle hearts wear the dusty boots, so
I don't mind failing in this world
I don't mind failing in this world
I don't mind failing in this world
Some people ride in a car so fine
While others walk on a picket line, so
I don't mind failing in this world