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I'm sorry but this is honestly a whack take. You don't just rack up listens when you put your song on spotify, there's a massive amount of marketing that goes into getting even a decent number of listens. The radio station comparison you mentioned is a guaranteed several million listens and actual exposure whereas putting your song on spotify doesn't guarantee anything except people having access to it if you direct them there. I also just don't like the idea of pretending brand deals and product marketing is or should be a normal part of the music industry. I don't think musicians should have to shill brands to make money, and the fact that you emphasize musicians selling out rather than there being a problem with the industry and where the money is going is just strange and concerning.
Exactly. Just because everyone uses spotify doesnt mean everyone will find your song. My music had fifty plays and that was only my freinds and family that I told about.
@@trentpelletier1477 Just branch out, homie. KEEP IT MOVING. Sum say u need 10,000 HARDCORE fanz, 2 bcum a millionaire. 2 b safe, dvelop a plan 4 gittin @ least 100,000 fanz, worldwide! Nsure ur millionz & don't take no, 4 an answer, no matter whut plat4m u choose. BEST WISHEZ!
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Yes! And while it's easy for artists to whine about Spotify royalties, one should keep in mind, that Spotify has struggled to become a profitable company, which it finally seems to be.
The cost for a band or artist to actually make that quality album has been kept out of the calculation. In the nineties record labels could easily spent between 150.000 to 500.000 dollars or more on an album production, they are the investors who want to make that money back. These days new artists don't have that kind of money themselves to invest in a quality product. By comparing the incomes then and now, you forget who paid for the creation of the album. So that spotify money a modern artist makes is not profit, but a return on investment. Let's say it costs about 150.000 dollars to make to good rock record, with a producer and a good mix. Even if you have that money to invest in your album, how many streams would you need to make that back? I think not only artists are screwed by this unsustainable business model (from the artist point of view) it also brings down the overall quality of music productions. Musicians are becomming T-shirt selling performers who record their music as an expensive hobby. A lot of artists like to perform and can make money doing shows, but for the music creators who work alsmost exclusively in the studio (producers, songwriters, etc.) it's much harder to earn money from their hard work.
This comment right here is exactly what I am feeling, I am a R&B singer just starting out about to release 2 to 3 singles however all the research I am doing is very discouraging. I am also going to do a TH-cam music artist channel however got damn just to make 1500 dollars well over 100,000 dollars like huh? There has to be some other type of way.
@@HakanTunaMuzik Still you need a producer, I can often tell bands did self-produce, it misses edge and out of the box thinking. Outside ears, ideas and years of experience are important. If I want to compete with modern rockbands and I need Chris Lord-Alge or someone similar for my mixes, that's around 6K- 8k per song. Having a home studio doesn't mean you're a great engineer and even if you're very talented, you need graphic and webdesign for all promotion and marketing. I agree, you can have a complete professional studio in your computer and that's great, but session players cost money too. And what about drum recording, guitar amps, etc. Can't do it all in your living room.
@@heartshinemusic Yes you can. Some of the old shit hot producers are doing it in their living rooms. I used to have tons of gear, we've gone back to basics... with recording. Anything you need to learn via production you can find for free on youtube now. Graphics, web design... Fiverr... and it's cheap. Where's it going to fall apart? Promotion. And right now live gigs are out the window.
@@heartshinemusic Some of the top talent that are actually musically talented have dived into production. Even well paid producers might not do quality work aka the loudness wars for example. There are many unsigned TH-cam artists that have done top quality work sending a few hundred dollars in a one time investment. I believe Billie Eilish's first album was produced with about $4,000 worth of equipment.
ABSOLUTELY NOT : None of our music is available on any streaming services for two reasons. 1st, we've been around long enough to have been paid the true value of our music. We've sold thousands of vinyls and CD's so by being true independents, we collected all of the money (when we distributed to shops directly) or close to 70% in our distribution deal, so we quickly learned we didn't have to sell no where near as much as everybody else to earn what signed artists were earning (if not more). Secondly, when everything switched to digital and our deal with the distribution company ended, we were left with NO DATA of who the thousands of people were that bought our products. So we built our website with the ability to sell digital and physical products directly to customers so we could build a database, so no matter what, we could inform them and sell to them directly, regardless of which direction the industry goes in next.
I agree. I've only made enough money from streaming to pay for groceries, gas or phone bill and that's not something that repeats itself consistently. Some months I see $100-$200. It would take 5-8 years to earn a full-time living from streaming, which means you'd have to put out new music every month and spend hundreds and thousands of dollars to promote. No return on investment either. The whole industry has become quantity or quality especially in hip-hop and pop.
Bro 17% is missing in your calculation. So I guess this is how artist get screwed when they just sign across the dotted line without verifying the numbers. ........HMMMMM...... I wonder
The best career and financial move I ever made was quit live shows and touring years ago and do full time teaching. All my music colleagues are now basically destitute because of no live shows. Forget live streams that is an absolute scam you have more chance of winning the lottery.
@@felipealem6590 Yep I did about 1500 shows in my career in all the largest venues and achieved what I set out to do. Now I have a nice family home paid off in a nice suburb while all my muso friends are stressed out because they have zero income due to pandemic. I think that was a good move.
@@felipealem6590 Work out what the providers pay for each stream unless you are a major artist getting a million of views and get $2000 for that. Good luck. Not for me I have worked too hard for that.
Mmm think I’d rather stick pins in my eyes and live on the streets than be board shitless teaching some dweeb how to play scales. Making original music is a passion, a creative outlet, fulfilling a purpose. If you dont get that, and only ever see it as a job or way to make money...then I guess teaching is probably the best thing for you.
Slight math correction for the 7:02 mark: It should read 8p ÷ 50 = 0.16. And that is not 1/16 of a penny. It is 16/100. Spotify pays (on the low end) 0.46 p per spin. A better analogy is a 99¢ iTunes download compared to Spotify spins. (I'll be using American dollar figures here, because I know those. Feel free to have Google convert to pounds, but the result is the same.) An independent artist with no label to pay will net about 70¢ per track on an iTunes purchase. That track can then be played an unlimited number of times, even transferred to other devices. A Spotify spin of that same track pays $0.006 (.6¢). That means 117 Spotify spins = 1 iTunes purchase. From spin 118 on, the Spotify spins EXCEED the iTunes purchase, and just keeps going up from there. Imagine two people who start going to the gym daily to run on treadmills side-by-side. They start on New Years Day and never miss a day. One person downloads songs from iTunes to run with. The other, uses Spotify. They both listen to one of your songs on their playlists. You make 70¢ right away from the iTunes purchase. You make .6¢ per play on the Spotify purchase. Every day they run and listen to your song. On April 16th, the amount of money you will have made from each of them is equal. From April 17 on, you are making more money on Spotify. At the end of the year, you will have made still only 70¢ from the iTunes purchase. But you will collect $2.17 from Spotify. And it never stops going up. Spotify is pay on the long tail. Once you hit the 118th personal spin, you've made more than a download.
So Spotify is for songs with lots of re-listen value, iTunes is for what? If you don't have re-listen value, do some songs nevertheless offer the perception of re-listen value to listeners, without actually offering that amount of re-listen value? :D Or perhaps some people simply prefer iTunes...
I agree that Spotify is great for artists. People keep telling me to upload there, but I don't think my music is ready. I think of soundcloud and youtube as more temporary. If I want to change something a couple of weeks later I can and no one cares. With spotify, I'm afraid of etching my mishits into the digi-sphere for all eternity
I write my novels, paint the cover illustrations, and sell them through Amazon. I could keep them on my hard drive until I've honed them and honed them, like a lot of aspiring writers, except mine are out there and selling. They may have typos and plot holes but each one sold is a new fan and I get a lot of positive feedback by email. Have a good day.
From what I understand, even in the old days, artists didn't make a lot from record sales. Concerts and endorsements gave them the most money. The industry now just forces artists to be more entrepreneurial and creative with income streams. It is a challenge and an opportunity. If you don't want to make your own products or do endorsements then you will need to market and perform and collaborate to get big enough to charge more for performances . Assuming you want to do music full time, that is.
Where did you get the $21000 figure from? Most data I've seen shows Spotify paying $1-2 every thousand streams which would be more like $5000. Still a lot more than 233 but just interested in the numbers.
im so grateful for spotify and streaming in general, it saved me money wise, its my main income atm and getting the streams is not even that hard anymore with tik tok..
8.2 BILLION??? THANKS SO MUCH FOR THIS EPISODE!! I really appreciate yall! IM LEARNING SO MUCH FOR MY FIRST ALBUM RELEASE! COMING SOON! YOU ARE RIGHT! GET IT OUT THERE!!! BE HEARD! You're worth it!!!!
Uploaded but only because at the time I felt like I didn't have a choice. I've been watching a few of your videos and they really are eye openers. This one in particular really puts a lot into perspective so thanks for all you guys are doing. I've spent the last 5 years playing covers live for a living doing weddings and functions and I've only just gotten round to releasing my own material. In some ways it feels like I'm starting all over again although I've got a reasonable amount of local support for my other project built entirely from word of mouth. I'm now attempting to work out how to move from playing folk pop versions of 'Living on a Prayer' at weddings to playing shows entirely of my own work and social media has become far more important. Your videos are absolutely brilliant.
Pleased you're enjoying our videos! I'd say never lose that ability to do covers and get a crowd going by singing songs that aren't just your own. The long experience of playing to a crowd who aren't necessarily engaging with you or there to see you play will give you a strong mind for playing your own gigs and an advantage over other artists.
@@Burstimo Thanks for the advice. I intend to keep both projects running even if I had enough support to drop the function duo. At the level I'm currently playing there is far more money playing covers at weddings and functions than in my own material. I view that as my job and my own stuff as my passion/hobby at the moment. However, I do feel I need a bit of separation between the two projects. The covers project is a duo with my best mate and we are locally fairly well known for playing quirky folky covers. The guys following us kind of know what to expect from us and sometimes get gutted if we don't play certain songs. My mate is also playing mandolin/BV's in my original material project so if we started throwing too many covers in I feel the lines would get blurred as realistically I am asking the same people who already know me for that to also support my own stuff. I feel some might expect a different thing to what I am attempting to achieve as a result or some might just think it's a full folk band version of what we already do in the duo if that makes sense? (Outside of where I live that wouldn't be an issue in the slightest). Perhaps learning some different ones might solve that issue.
It took me a while, but I'm beginning to figure out Spotify and it's definately a powerful tool to get my tracks to people I'd never reach. I guess I could sit in my flat and complain about the industry like us artists seem to love to do but that will not help me be successful. Those that are multi millionaires created that wealth because they made the available tools of the industry work for them. Great video
Also don't forget that RIAA counts 1500 streams as 1 record sold. So the amount of Drake's record streams should be divided by 1500 before comparing to The Beatles record, just to match how platinum records are given
Completely disagree here. Our band formed in mid 2000s. On average with out last 3 CDs we would sell roughly 1000-2000 CDs per year at $12. Then an additional $2-4K of single download purchases. So let’s say in one year 2007 we sold $28,000, that’s a good estimate. This is all PRIOR to social media. No videos and community engagement digitally. Now jump to this year. Just dropped new CD. Sold 5. Spent over $5k producing over 16 videos- lyric, live and music. Spent hundreds on social media advertising. Increased engagement and gotten in front of thousands of viewers. 2 months into the launch we haven’t even made enough money to buy a pint of beer! Completely disgusted with the state of music and this industry. We are the only industry where our rate of pay has stayed the same or gone down for live shows. Still getting paid the same amount per show we did back in 2005 yet now we give our music away to Spotify and our fans don’t purchase the $12 cd anymore. 9k plus social media fans didn’t buy the CD that’s a 108,000$ LOSS. So tell me again HOW giving our shit away from free is helping us?
So I released last Feb the album is on every platform & promo money has 15k so made a grand total just under $ 50.00 so far also this album had a Sound cloud release first & did 250k in two days there . Project Kay "Collapse the Wave" this a Multi Genre album also! The upside is I own all publishing & plan on keeping it.
Absolutely Not. Why? I looked down below for ANY artist I knew who also wrote "Uploaded." Not a soul am I aware of. You're all NOBODIES! So apparently... lots and lots of the artists in this comment section get diddly squat or real exposure and yet they continue to use that cough, cough, "service." Repeating an action that is unsuccessful just because everyone else is doing it is the very definition of INSANITY and is sure to lead to MEDIOCRITY.
Thanks guys, i've never understood people complaining about Spotify's payouts. I didnt do the math you did, but felt its not that small as some artist say. What we really need is some ways to affordably get people to listen our music. Because the 1000-1500 USD marketing cost is not doable for a lot of people.
The problem with this video is that you're mixing numbers for both signed and independent artists and giving an observation about streaming which makes no sense. A majority of independent artists won't be getting 5million streams over the course of their album release cycle, and they won't be charging 500k for gigs. Independent artists make a whole lot more than the "80p" from the £8 as there's no label and weird contract stuff like "cover for broken cd copies" - they will likely make £4 per copy (giving space for the retailer to make money too). Now let's talk about signed artists - the problem with their situation is that they are most likely signed to a 360 deal - new artists at least. This means the label takes a percentage of everything you make regardless of your music, so streams, touring, merch, sponsorships, etc. NSYNC members famously only made like $10k each of their album sales but they made their millions and millions through touring, a new band on 360 deal won't be able to make as much as NSYNC. This was the short-form version, but in reality, when it comes to independent artists streaming is a good bit of revenue but always ask your fans to come to shows and buy the album. However, if you're signed, streaming is awful as you will make zero to no money from your streams. Basically, the issue with this video is that it doesn't explain 360 deals.
I read somewhere that the average record is listened to less than 7 times. So If you bought an album for 15 EUR in 1995 with 10 tracks on it it is 1.5 EUR per track for 7 plays which is 0.21 EUR per stream for the listener and 0.021 EUR per stream for an artist with a decent contract (which was probably quite rare, most artists never got anything from their records as the labels made provisions to cover all expenses including promotion before handing out any money to the artist).
People forget that you can't get ripped off without your consent. If YOU aren't getting the money you deserve as an artist, whose fault is that? YOUR fault. If you don't want to get ripped off, don't allow it. If you want exposure, prepare to be ripped off. Or, you know, _you can just do it for the art._
No, I didn't put my latest album on Spotify etc. I tried an experiment and only put it on Bandcamp only. My other albums make pennies on streaming platforms, so I've got nothing to loose. At least with Bandcamp I get real sales. Intresingly I set my album price to pay what you want. I get £8-£15 per sale. No one has paid nothing, even though it's an option. By this method the album has paid for itself many times over. I'm not a millionaire yet (I don't think instrumental jazz/rock guitar music has that kind of appeal). I've made more there than I ever had with streaming stuff. I'm not anti streaming however. I do think every artist should come off Spotify until they come up with a fairer system. It could be a fair system if the streaming services would only let you listen to a track 10 times after which you would have to buy it for (lets say) 5p. That gets split between the artist and streaming service. Trouble is consumers want everything 'free' now and place no value in music anymore. The flip side is I have 5,000 cd's in storage (not my unsold albums), which I can't carry around with me and my ipod only holds half of it, so streaming services make sense in that regard, although a lot of the music I listen to isn't on Spotify. The other solution is that Musicians can pay £30 a month for all the food they need or rent any house or lease a car. They could call it Musofy!!
Great video. The fact is exposure is what you really want, and if you are a good artist, then it seems reasonable that Spotify will work to your advantage. Either getting you more streams, fans, or sales of any other kind. But the fact that Drake's music is crushing it so hard makes me worry about the success of my own personal music.. its not like that kind of music. 😂😂 but maybe i'll give spotify a go when I've finished my 10 song release ..
With the advent of computers, audio workstations, and software like Pro Tools, a LOT more people have access to the world of creativity, musically. There are two main issues with this that I'm seeing: Firstly, We are now being inundated and utterly flooded with music, up to the point that it will probably take up most of our free time just searching and listening to new bands/music. Secondly, If that isn't bad enough, everyone that takes it to this level thinks they deserve to be listened to and at least make a good, decent living or maybe even get rich and famous -- hey, they worked really hard -- and if that doesn't happen, something must be wrong somewhere. I wonder if they even consider that, although they've worked really hard cranking out that EP/LP, maybe their music sucks? That's a hard pill to swallow for anyone who has put in a ton of time on their musical project.
@@wphanoo Too true. Even if you narrow your search to a particular genre of music, you'll still be flooded. Also, even with the major labels acting as a filter of good, decent music, you'll still probably be inundated. Personally, what I think we should do is form a non-profit "International Musicians Coalition" where we'd have talent scouts sift through demos and then have EVERYONE vote on a musician and/or band that should be promoted. That would, at least, give everyone the same type of filter that the major record labels use; however, we'd *ALL* be in on the process, offering a much better chance of success for a particular band or musician. We'd have to collect dues to pay for their management and promotion, and should they become successful, all the coalition would ask is that they give back a bit (small percentage) so we can continue to search for musicians that we might all love and enjoy. Doing things this way would allow talent to reap the vast majority of their much-deserved rewards. We could also build a few good, professional recording studios, located at various spots on the globe, available to bands we'd promote -- all free of charge or at a very low cost that doesn't break their bank. I think something like this would work, although we'd probably have to make adjustments, here and there, to make things work well financially. All I know is that doing something like this should be a *LOT* cheaper than dealing with a major label, and the *artists* get to get their just due and rewards. This could happen, folks. We just have to do it.
Upload, Orphean Jet Sonic. It is still work. I’m always calling to arms and still working a day job. The plus is I own my music. I can’t wait quit my day job.
Someone has stolen my Songs and are using them on Spotify and they (Spotify) won't help me getting my Songs removed. Does anyone know how I can force them to give me back control of my Music?
Spotify is ridiculous. I upload my music to their platform featuring popular Spotify artists in hope to get a slice of their fans, mixed and mastered by gold and platinum engineers etc. I don’t EVER get views on them. It’s like they aren’t shooting my songs out to their followers and or fans at all. I have songs with bizarre, bubba sparxxx, lil flip, lil Wyte, project pat, Remy boy Monty and more
Loved it. 💪 Hey, Alex, what kind of content would you suggest when doing gigs and posting live performances is not an option? I mean, what if someone lives in an extremely small town and his songs are gaining traction in another country only? Thanks.
Spotify is good for HipHop and Pop genres but not so great for underground genres Like the Punk Metal and Rock. I find Bandcamp works better for those type of genres as you have serious fans and musicians who are willing to spend on merch as well as music. I suppose it is a litle more old skool. But for popular genres Spotify is great.
The Beatles got massively more listens than Drake. When you multiply the numbers of Top 40 and Rock stations by the number of plays per day at each station by the huge numbers of listeners for each play they were getting billions of radio listens per week in the USA. They and their business associates collected mechanical royalties on these. When you correctly account for record listens you need to multiply the number of records sold by the number number of songs per record by the numbers of plays per year. Royalties were paid and collected on these.
A stream is not equal to a sale. In the 1960's, singles cost 50 cents; streams are worth only pennies. Even without accounting for inflation, there is no comparison.
I would say touring is number one Investing outside the music business aka perfumes (many singers), hamburger franchises (Drake) and liesure products (Jimmy Buffet) is number two. In fact, Jimmy Buffet is one of the richest musicians that ever lived and he only had two solo top 20 songs just because he was very good at brand marketing. I would say endorsements of other people's products is number three. Beyonce came close to doubling her net worth with one Pepsi contract. Fourth would be producing other people's works. A good producer will make more money than a good musical act that just makes their money off of music.
wow, this is illuminating, especially for a total dumb like myself when it comes to money and figures. Question is: can I use Spotify just like I would use , let's say, Soundcloud and upload live tracks or stuff tha isn't included in an actual released album? Awesome job guys, keep up with the great work!!
I don't think these are accurate depictions of how Spotify works. Some years back, Spotify used to allow real indie artists on big playlists. Then these playlists grew, and Spotify realized that they could get labels to pay them. Spotify then did the same thing that they did with the older playlists, which was to shut the indies out. That's why there are no indies on Spotify indie playlists. Find out for yourself. Click on the artist, look into their song credits or bio. Not a true indie in the bunch. Indies are wasting their time if they try to break through that payola. An indie needs to find another way.
Drake is the blueprint of succès in the streaming era. I really don’t understand how this is hard to get, honestly if you are walking like Drake, in this steaming era, you’ll probably by being very lucky , a one hit wonder
one word, User Centric Payment System , as long as that is not implemented, no one can say the streaming industry is just, because right now, my cash dont go to what i listen to, unless im generating false listen by playing my favorite artist on tens of account while listening to only one.
how do I get in touch with Spotify and Other apps and ask them to put me on Playlists? You mentioned something like that on an episode with Maddie the other day
that Beatle analogy is wrong we have no idea how many times the person played the songs when they bought it.But I do think Spotify is better in the long run cause eventually the consumer has paid for the song many times but that takes hundreds if not thousands of listens . in the mid to short run physical media was better in a way. The reality of the music business is if your not super popular you won't make money and that is true in any era unless you are you own label or a artist that owns everything she or he makes
Are there links to your references on this subject? I'm finding it hard to believe a lot of these numbers and am wondering where they came from. Sounds like a bunch of bull really.
@@orlock20 Hi Orlock, thanks for the comment. My thoughts: There is music which is good but not popular, and there is music which is popular but not good. Admittedly there is music which is good and popular, and music which is bad and not popular, but a lot of it is subjective. Most people seem to just want a "pleasant noise" while they do something else. It seems that sitting and actually listening is no longer popular. I was a big fan of Nico before I knew she had been in the Velvet Underground. An acquired taste admittedly, but I still listen to The Marble Index, one of my all time favourite albums and not for everyone. Eventually I found out she had sung with the Velvets for a short time and gradually bought most of her albums. According to some sources, more than half the current chart records are written by the same two men using the same four chords. Although showing how much of a slag you are does seem to influence sales (Cardi B, anyone?) Have a very good day.
AGREE 100%. it's much better now then before even because now it's a democratic system! and if you don't earn much with platforms streaming it's simply because you are not good enough. i play football in the cristiano ronaldo era and you know what? he earns more then me!
Not. Reason:CBA. More interested in writing then spending time on the socials promoting. This might change soon, finishing a new project, might try putting this one on spot just to see what happens. And it should be 25 cents per stream for the artist as a standard. That's fair.
The thing is this though all those 85 million subscribers are ALL on TH-cam why not just upload singles on TH-cam and if your fans want to hear the rest of your album they can go to your OWN personal website where they can download your latest art.
Burstimo failed to finish the .16 p assumed payment in 1988 that is still 100 times higher per play than current streaming services that pay in the range of 0.0016 to 0.007 p per play...truth
My music is not on spotify its on TH-cam, Instagram, and Facebook. The reason is because Im able to communicate with my fans and I can sell other things on the same platform.
Uploaded. However, I also get much support by friends who love me and support me so I can afford uploading to Spotify even in the face of the absence of a significant number of listeners... and this is why I'm the exception here, I guess.
Any artist makes it big due to marketing. Learn how to market yourself as a brand. Spotify could be an avenue in marketing yourself but do not make it the only one.
Your missing the point. A songwriter makes a deal with the record company who made a bad deal with streaming services. The songwriters are devalued to shelf fillers In a supermarket with Spotify and record company's as the shareholders.
But firstly, we gotta figure out how to get even 1% of those 144m people, which can be time taking. We don't mean this in a negative way, just making it clear that it's definitely easier but not easy.
My newest niemsong on Spotify is MEMORIZATION and my newest niemstrumentals are MI AMIGO MEXICO and BEAUTIFUL DANCE! I thought SPOTIFY was supposed to pay 50 MILLION because they were not paying the songwriters and publishers enough and I'm still waiting. BTW all 12 of my CD'S have been CENSORED so CDBABY sent all my work back because of one song. NO PROFANITY but TRUTH is HATE SPEECH now and censoring TRUTH is more today than ever before. Check out my 12 at www.johnniems.com as that's the only place you can downtown most of my tunes now! BTW are there any LIVE CONCERTS for REAL HUMANS or will they be for CARDBOARD CUT OUTS like the SPORTS now? Let's end this COVID 19 HOAX NOW~!
Absolutely Nev3r AGAIN! I want to start new label. I have the best CHANCE. 4 one, my Frequency is 639hz. If you know. That's the base of therapeutic quality healing. I'm also very knowledgeable of sound. I am curious about starting label. Getting my own radio station. And pay 4 play on youtube. I've heard youtube paying 5 cents per play. Spotify pays not 5hit . I don't speak about spotify but it is doomed. I am the King of Sound. With your help. I can get label off of ground. Need money for start up. But I work a rill job. Anyways I luv the channel. I have top secret promo video. It took me 11 years on social media to put in 1:19 second video. I really may take it down. Lol
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I'm sorry but this is honestly a whack take. You don't just rack up listens when you put your song on spotify, there's a massive amount of marketing that goes into getting even a decent number of listens. The radio station comparison you mentioned is a guaranteed several million listens and actual exposure whereas putting your song on spotify doesn't guarantee anything except people having access to it if you direct them there. I also just don't like the idea of pretending brand deals and product marketing is or should be a normal part of the music industry. I don't think musicians should have to shill brands to make money, and the fact that you emphasize musicians selling out rather than there being a problem with the industry and where the money is going is just strange and concerning.
Exactly. Just because everyone uses spotify doesnt mean everyone will find your song. My music had fifty plays and that was only my freinds and family that I told about.
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Just branch out, homie.
KEEP IT MOVING.
Sum say u need 10,000 HARDCORE fanz, 2 bcum a millionaire.
2 b safe, dvelop a plan 4 gittin @ least 100,000 fanz, worldwide!
Nsure ur millionz & don't take no, 4 an answer, no matter whut plat4m u choose.
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2019: "Live shows is where it's at".
2020: "....uh, yeah... about that...".
This video is so bad.
it's literally an ad for Spotify, it even has the stupid upbeat song.
Brilliant video! Love how much detail has gone into it! Well played! 👊
Thanks Damian, this is such a big compliment coming from someone as influential as yourself!
Thank you so much. I’m loving your content and what you guys are doing! 😊
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Yes! And while it's easy for artists to whine about Spotify royalties, one should keep in mind, that Spotify has struggled to become a profitable company, which it finally seems to be.
Awesome to see that one of my favorite channel is complimenting my other favorite channel! ;) Great videos, I am watching you both regularly!
The cost for a band or artist to actually make that quality album has been kept out of the calculation. In the nineties record labels could easily spent between 150.000 to 500.000 dollars or more on an album production, they are the investors who want to make that money back. These days new artists don't have that kind of money themselves to invest in a quality product. By comparing the incomes then and now, you forget who paid for the creation of the album. So that spotify money a modern artist makes is not profit, but a return on investment. Let's say it costs about 150.000 dollars to make to good rock record, with a producer and a good mix. Even if you have that money to invest in your album, how many streams would you need to make that back? I think not only artists are screwed by this unsustainable business model (from the artist point of view) it also brings down the overall quality of music productions. Musicians are becomming T-shirt selling performers who record their music as an expensive hobby. A lot of artists like to perform and can make money doing shows, but for the music creators who work alsmost exclusively in the studio (producers, songwriters, etc.) it's much harder to earn money from their hard work.
This comment right here is exactly what I am feeling, I am a R&B singer just starting out about to release 2 to 3 singles however all the research I am doing is very discouraging. I am also going to do a TH-cam music artist channel however got damn just to make 1500 dollars well over 100,000 dollars like huh? There has to be some other type of way.
@@HakanTunaMuzik Still you need a producer, I can often tell bands did self-produce, it misses edge and out of the box thinking. Outside ears, ideas and years of experience are important. If I want to compete with modern rockbands and I need Chris Lord-Alge or someone similar for my mixes, that's around 6K- 8k per song. Having a home studio doesn't mean you're a great engineer and even if you're very talented, you need graphic and webdesign for all promotion and marketing. I agree, you can have a complete professional studio in your computer and that's great, but session players cost money too. And what about drum recording, guitar amps, etc. Can't do it all in your living room.
@@heartshinemusic Yes you can. Some of the old shit hot producers are doing it in their living rooms. I used to have tons of gear, we've gone back to basics... with recording. Anything you need to learn via production you can find for free on youtube now. Graphics, web design... Fiverr... and it's cheap. Where's it going to fall apart? Promotion. And right now live gigs are out the window.
@@heartshinemusic Some of the top talent that are actually musically talented have dived into production. Even well paid producers might not do quality work aka the loudness wars for example.
There are many unsigned TH-cam artists that have done top quality work sending a few hundred dollars in a one time investment. I believe Billie Eilish's first album was produced with about $4,000 worth of equipment.
@@orlock20 lol good joke theyve got pretty expensive equipment. Just by looking at their room doesnt mean its not costly dont believe in fairy tales
ABSOLUTELY NOT : None of our music is available on any streaming services for two reasons. 1st, we've been around long enough to have been paid the true value of our music. We've sold thousands of vinyls and CD's so by being true independents, we collected all of the money (when we distributed to shops directly) or close to 70% in our distribution deal, so we quickly learned we didn't have to sell no where near as much as everybody else to earn what signed artists were earning (if not more). Secondly, when everything switched to digital and our deal with the distribution company ended, we were left with NO DATA of who the thousands of people were that bought our products. So we built our website with the ability to sell digital and physical products directly to customers so we could build a database, so no matter what, we could inform them and sell to them directly, regardless of which direction the industry goes in next.
I agree. I've only made enough money from streaming to pay for groceries, gas or phone bill and that's not something that repeats itself consistently. Some months I see $100-$200. It would take 5-8 years to earn a full-time living from streaming, which means you'd have to put out new music every month and spend hundreds and thousands of dollars to promote. No return on investment either. The whole industry has become quantity or quality especially in hip-hop and pop.
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Bro 17% is missing in your calculation. So I guess this is how artist get screwed when they just sign across the dotted line without verifying the numbers. ........HMMMMM...... I wonder
The best career and financial move I ever made was quit live shows and touring years ago and do full time teaching. All my music colleagues are now basically destitute because of no live shows. Forget live streams that is an absolute scam you have more chance of winning the lottery.
You quit doing live shows to teach? What?
@@felipealem6590 Yep I did about 1500 shows in my career in all the largest venues and achieved what I set out to do. Now I have a nice family home paid off in a nice suburb while all my muso friends are stressed out because they have zero income due to pandemic. I think that was a good move.
@@regaltip8A sO BASICALLY YOU SAYING YOU CANT live of streams.
@@felipealem6590 Work out what the providers pay for each stream unless you are a major artist getting a million of views and get $2000 for that. Good luck. Not for me I have worked too hard for that.
Mmm think I’d rather stick pins in my eyes and live on the streets than be board shitless teaching some dweeb how to play scales. Making original music is a passion, a creative outlet, fulfilling a purpose. If you dont get that, and only ever see it as a job or way to make money...then I guess teaching is probably the best thing for you.
Slight math correction for the 7:02 mark: It should read 8p ÷ 50 = 0.16. And that is not 1/16 of a penny. It is 16/100. Spotify pays (on the low end) 0.46 p per spin.
A better analogy is a 99¢ iTunes download compared to Spotify spins. (I'll be using American dollar figures here, because I know those. Feel free to have Google convert to pounds, but the result is the same.) An independent artist with no label to pay will net about 70¢ per track on an iTunes purchase. That track can then be played an unlimited number of times, even transferred to other devices. A Spotify spin of that same track pays $0.006 (.6¢). That means 117 Spotify spins = 1 iTunes purchase. From spin 118 on, the Spotify spins EXCEED the iTunes purchase, and just keeps going up from there.
Imagine two people who start going to the gym daily to run on treadmills side-by-side. They start on New Years Day and never miss a day. One person downloads songs from iTunes to run with. The other, uses Spotify. They both listen to one of your songs on their playlists. You make 70¢ right away from the iTunes purchase. You make .6¢ per play on the Spotify purchase. Every day they run and listen to your song. On April 16th, the amount of money you will have made from each of them is equal. From April 17 on, you are making more money on Spotify. At the end of the year, you will have made still only 70¢ from the iTunes purchase. But you will collect $2.17 from Spotify. And it never stops going up.
Spotify is pay on the long tail. Once you hit the 118th personal spin, you've made more than a download.
Maths definitely isn't our strong point hahaa
Thank you!
Mike Tuttle good point ⚡️
So Spotify is for songs with lots of re-listen value, iTunes is for what? If you don't have re-listen value, do some songs nevertheless offer the perception of re-listen value to listeners, without actually offering that amount of re-listen value? :D
Or perhaps some people simply prefer iTunes...
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actually it's 0.43 per stream. But the point is valid...
The confluence of art and money is an interesting place where many truths are revealed.
I agree that Spotify is great for artists. People keep telling me to upload there, but I don't think my music is ready. I think of soundcloud and youtube as more temporary. If I want to change something a couple of weeks later I can and no one cares. With spotify, I'm afraid of etching my mishits into the digi-sphere for all eternity
Definitely! Spotify acts as your portfolio so make sure it's your next quality music
I write my novels, paint the cover illustrations, and sell them through Amazon. I could keep them on my hard drive until I've honed them and honed them, like a lot of aspiring writers, except mine are out there and selling. They may have typos and plot holes but each one sold is a new fan and I get a lot of positive feedback by email.
Have a good day.
@@KillerBill1953 Dude he said he puts his music on youtube and soundcloud.
From what I understand, even in the old days, artists didn't make a lot from record sales. Concerts and endorsements gave them the most money. The industry now just forces artists to be more entrepreneurial and creative with income streams. It is a challenge and an opportunity. If you don't want to make your own products or do endorsements then you will need to market and perform and collaborate to get big enough to charge more for performances . Assuming you want to do music full time, that is.
Where did you get the $21000 figure from? Most data I've seen shows Spotify paying $1-2 every thousand streams which would be more like $5000. Still a lot more than 233 but just interested in the numbers.
@@HakanTunaMuzik Its actually 4$ for 1000 of streams and that is most accurate average calculation.
im so grateful for spotify and streaming in general, it saved me money wise, its my main income atm and getting the streams is not even that hard anymore with tik tok..
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Uploaded but only because at the time I felt like I didn't have a choice. I've been watching a few of your videos and they really are eye openers. This one in particular really puts a lot into perspective so thanks for all you guys are doing. I've spent the last 5 years playing covers live for a living doing weddings and functions and I've only just gotten round to releasing my own material. In some ways it feels like I'm starting all over again although I've got a reasonable amount of local support for my other project built entirely from word of mouth. I'm now attempting to work out how to move from playing folk pop versions of 'Living on a Prayer' at weddings to playing shows entirely of my own work and social media has become far more important. Your videos are absolutely brilliant.
Pleased you're enjoying our videos! I'd say never lose that ability to do covers and get a crowd going by singing songs that aren't just your own. The long experience of playing to a crowd who aren't necessarily engaging with you or there to see you play will give you a strong mind for playing your own gigs and an advantage over other artists.
@@Burstimo Thanks for the advice. I intend to keep both projects running even if I had enough support to drop the function duo. At the level I'm currently playing there is far more money playing covers at weddings and functions than in my own material. I view that as my job and my own stuff as my passion/hobby at the moment.
However, I do feel I need a bit of separation between the two projects. The covers project is a duo with my best mate and we are locally fairly well known for playing quirky folky covers. The guys following us kind of know what to expect from us and sometimes get gutted if we don't play certain songs. My mate is also playing mandolin/BV's in my original material project so if we started throwing too many covers in I feel the lines would get blurred as realistically I am asking the same people who already know me for that to also support my own stuff. I feel some might expect a different thing to what I am attempting to achieve as a result or some might just think it's a full folk band version of what we already do in the duo if that makes sense? (Outside of where I live that wouldn't be an issue in the slightest). Perhaps learning some different ones might solve that issue.
I will pay $5 for a 5 second summary of this video
Work hard, put your music on Spotify, get rich.
This was really nice to hear. So glad to have come across this. Thank you!
It took me a while, but I'm beginning to figure out Spotify and it's definately a powerful tool to get my tracks to people I'd never reach. I guess I could sit in my flat and complain about the industry like us artists seem to love to do but that will not help me be successful. Those that are multi millionaires created that wealth because they made the available tools of the industry work for them. Great video
Also don't forget that RIAA counts 1500 streams as 1 record sold. So the amount of Drake's record streams should be divided by 1500 before comparing to The Beatles record, just to match how platinum records are given
Completely disagree here. Our band formed in mid 2000s. On average with out last 3 CDs we would sell roughly 1000-2000 CDs per year at $12. Then an additional $2-4K of single download purchases. So let’s say in one year 2007 we sold $28,000, that’s a good estimate. This is all PRIOR to social media. No videos and community engagement digitally. Now jump to this year. Just dropped new CD. Sold 5. Spent over $5k producing over 16 videos- lyric, live and music. Spent hundreds on social media advertising. Increased engagement and gotten in front of thousands of viewers. 2 months into the launch we haven’t even made enough money to buy a pint of beer! Completely disgusted with the state of music and this industry. We are the only industry where our rate of pay has stayed the same or gone down for live shows. Still getting paid the same amount per show we did back in 2005 yet now we give our music away to Spotify and our fans don’t purchase the $12 cd anymore. 9k plus social media fans didn’t buy the CD that’s a 108,000$ LOSS. So tell me again HOW giving our shit away from free is helping us?
Uploaded! Ive had more plays and people discovering me there than all other platforms and socials combined!
same here!
People and disvovering its ok..until you have to pay the rent...
Are they real numbers though????If that dont come back to your social Media its bullshit.
So I released last Feb the album is on every platform & promo money has 15k so made a grand total just under $ 50.00 so far also this album had a Sound cloud release first & did 250k in two days there . Project Kay "Collapse the Wave" this a Multi Genre album also! The upside is I own all publishing & plan on keeping it.
Uploaded of course. Da fuck. If you aren't on Spotify you're essentially fishing where there's no fish.
You know it!
This was very educational- thank you
Absolutely Not. Why? I looked down below for ANY artist I knew who also wrote "Uploaded." Not a soul am I aware of. You're all NOBODIES! So apparently... lots and lots of the artists in this comment section get diddly squat or real exposure and yet they continue to use that cough, cough, "service." Repeating an action that is unsuccessful just because everyone else is doing it is the very definition of INSANITY and is sure to lead to MEDIOCRITY.
Can African traditional music be listened to on spotify?
I play African music and thought whether if uploaded, it will be listened to.
Thanks guys, i've never understood people complaining about Spotify's payouts. I didnt do the math you did, but felt its not that small as some artist say. What we really need is some ways to affordably get people to listen our music. Because the 1000-1500 USD marketing cost is not doable for a lot of people.
This channel is an invaluable educational tool for music marketing
The problem with this video is that you're mixing numbers for both signed and independent artists and giving an observation about streaming which makes no sense.
A majority of independent artists won't be getting 5million streams over the course of their album release cycle, and they won't be charging 500k for gigs. Independent artists make a whole lot more than the "80p" from the £8 as there's no label and weird contract stuff like "cover for broken cd copies" - they will likely make £4 per copy (giving space for the retailer to make money too).
Now let's talk about signed artists - the problem with their situation is that they are most likely signed to a 360 deal - new artists at least. This means the label takes a percentage of everything you make regardless of your music, so streams, touring, merch, sponsorships, etc. NSYNC members famously only made like $10k each of their album sales but they made their millions and millions through touring, a new band on 360 deal won't be able to make as much as NSYNC.
This was the short-form version, but in reality, when it comes to independent artists streaming is a good bit of revenue but always ask your fans to come to shows and buy the album. However, if you're signed, streaming is awful as you will make zero to no money from your streams. Basically, the issue with this video is that it doesn't explain 360 deals.
Also just in the general in the 1980’s the music industry as a whole was worth 20Billion, today in 2020 it’s only worth 10Billion
@RizzyWow I see you're a man of culture, as well... Watched the Artifact documentary, have we?
This is a good 'un. Relevant a year ago, relevant now. Thanks Burstimo!
I read somewhere that the average record is listened to less than 7 times. So If you bought an album for 15 EUR in 1995 with 10 tracks on it it is 1.5 EUR per track for 7 plays which is 0.21 EUR per stream for the listener and 0.021 EUR per stream for an artist with a decent contract (which was probably quite rare, most artists never got anything from their records as the labels made provisions to cover all expenses including promotion before handing out any money to the artist).
People forget that you can't get ripped off without your consent. If YOU aren't getting the money you deserve as an artist, whose fault is that? YOUR fault.
If you don't want to get ripped off, don't allow it. If you want exposure, prepare to be ripped off.
Or, you know, _you can just do it for the art._
No, I didn't put my latest album on Spotify etc. I tried an experiment and only put it on Bandcamp only. My other albums make pennies on streaming platforms, so I've got nothing to loose. At least with Bandcamp I get real sales. Intresingly I set my album price to pay what you want. I get £8-£15 per sale. No one has paid nothing, even though it's an option. By this method the album has paid for itself many times over. I'm not a millionaire yet (I don't think instrumental jazz/rock guitar music has that kind of appeal).
I've made more there than I ever had with streaming stuff. I'm not anti streaming however.
I do think every artist should come off Spotify until they come up with a fairer system.
It could be a fair system if the streaming services would only let you listen to a track 10 times after which you would have to buy it for (lets say) 5p. That gets split between the artist and streaming service. Trouble is consumers want everything 'free' now and place no value in music anymore. The flip side is I have 5,000 cd's in storage (not my unsold albums), which I can't carry around with me and my ipod only holds half of it, so streaming services make sense in that regard, although a lot of the music I listen to isn't on Spotify.
The other solution is that Musicians can pay £30 a month for all the food they need or rent any house or lease a car. They could call it Musofy!!
I found a streaming service that is more favorable to recording artists and have artists as owners. It's called Tidal.
Customers need to pay a high price to use it tho, so you will receive far less streams on it compared to say spotify.
They ripped me off big time. Fuck them.
eyyyy my music is on tidal
How much do they pay ?
Great video. The fact is exposure is what you really want, and if you are a good artist, then it seems reasonable that Spotify will work to your advantage. Either getting you more streams, fans, or sales of any other kind. But the fact that Drake's music is crushing it so hard makes me worry about the success of my own personal music.. its not like that kind of music. 😂😂 but maybe i'll give spotify a go when I've finished my 10 song release ..
Great video thanks. Makes a lot of sense.
I really dont get the Drake and Beatles comparison. I think when you buy the album you will listen to it more than once
With the advent of computers, audio workstations, and software like Pro Tools, a LOT more people have access to the world of creativity, musically. There are two main issues with this that I'm seeing: Firstly, We are now being inundated and utterly flooded with music, up to the point that it will probably take up most of our free time just searching and listening to new bands/music.
Secondly, If that isn't bad enough, everyone that takes it to this level thinks they deserve to be listened to and at least make a good, decent living or maybe even get rich and famous -- hey, they worked really hard -- and if that doesn't happen, something must be wrong somewhere. I wonder if they even consider that, although they've worked really hard cranking out that EP/LP, maybe their music sucks? That's a hard pill to swallow for anyone who has put in a ton of time on their musical project.
Nowadays music is too easy to make. That's the reason why all platforms are flooded
@@wphanoo Too true. Even if you narrow your search to a particular genre of music, you'll still be flooded. Also, even with the major labels acting as a filter of good, decent music, you'll still probably be inundated.
Personally, what I think we should do is form a non-profit "International Musicians Coalition" where we'd have talent scouts sift through demos and then have EVERYONE vote on a musician and/or band that should be promoted. That would, at least, give everyone the same type of filter that the major record labels use; however, we'd *ALL* be in on the process, offering a much better chance of success for a particular band or musician.
We'd have to collect dues to pay for their management and promotion, and should they become successful, all the coalition would ask is that they give back a bit (small percentage) so we can continue to search for musicians that we might all love and enjoy. Doing things this way would allow talent to reap the vast majority of their much-deserved rewards.
We could also build a few good, professional recording studios, located at various spots on the globe, available to bands we'd promote -- all free of charge or at a very low cost that doesn't break their bank. I think something like this would work, although we'd probably have to make adjustments, here and there, to make things work well financially.
All I know is that doing something like this should be a *LOT* cheaper than dealing with a major label, and the *artists* get to get their just due and rewards. This could happen, folks. We just have to do it.
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I agree with the larger point … but directly comparing a 16th of a penny in the 80s to a 16th of a penny today doesn’t take inflation into account
Wow, this is a really great breakdown!
Upload, Orphean Jet Sonic. It is still work. I’m always calling to arms and still working a day job. The plus is I own my music. I can’t wait quit my day job.
Thank you for this video - it gave me hope again!
Someone has stolen my Songs and are using them on Spotify and they (Spotify) won't help me getting my Songs removed. Does anyone know how I can force them to give me back control of my Music?
Wow I’m sorry. That’s terrible ! I wish u the best
Spotify is ridiculous. I upload my music to their platform featuring popular Spotify artists in hope to get a slice of their fans, mixed and mastered by gold and platinum engineers etc. I don’t EVER get views on them. It’s like they aren’t shooting my songs out to their followers and or fans at all. I have songs with bizarre, bubba sparxxx, lil flip, lil Wyte, project pat, Remy boy Monty and more
I really love your content,thanks for your work, can I ask what camera you using?the quality is fab
No worries, thanks for watching! We use a Canon G7X Mark ii. 🙂
*PUBLISHING, MERCH, AND TOUR!!! I-TUNES, ALL STREAMING PLATFORMS NOT JUST ONE STREAMING PLATFORM. PLUS INVEST YOUR MONEY OUTSIDE OF MUSIC*
Loved it. 💪
Hey, Alex, what kind of content would you suggest when doing gigs and posting live performances is not an option?
I mean, what if someone lives in an extremely small town and his songs are gaining traction in another country only? Thanks.
Spotify is good for HipHop and Pop genres but not so great for underground genres Like the Punk Metal and Rock. I find Bandcamp works better for those type of genres as you have serious fans and musicians who are willing to spend on merch as well as music. I suppose it is a litle more old skool. But for popular genres Spotify is great.
The Beatles got massively more listens than Drake. When you multiply the numbers of Top 40 and Rock stations by the number of plays per day at each station by the huge numbers of listeners for each play they were getting billions of radio listens per week in the USA. They and their business associates collected mechanical royalties on these.
When you correctly account for record listens you need to multiply the number of records sold by the number number of songs per record by the numbers of plays per year. Royalties were paid and collected on these.
A stream is not equal to a sale. In the 1960's, singles cost 50 cents; streams are worth only pennies. Even without accounting for inflation, there is no comparison.
Publishing always with owning your masters, Spotify didn't make or break Michael Jackson,stream platforms are another payola gimmick
I would say touring is number one
Investing outside the music business aka perfumes (many singers), hamburger franchises (Drake) and liesure products (Jimmy Buffet) is number two. In fact, Jimmy Buffet is one of the richest musicians that ever lived and he only had two solo top 20 songs just because he was very good at brand marketing.
I would say endorsements of other people's products is number three. Beyonce came close to doubling her net worth with one Pepsi contract.
Fourth would be producing other people's works. A good producer will make more money than a good musical act that just makes their money off of music.
Uploading tomorrow !
Nice one 💪
The 1£ in 88 is not the same 1£ in 2020
What did You think about it?
wow, this is illuminating, especially for a total dumb like myself when it comes to money and figures. Question is: can I use Spotify just like I would use , let's say, Soundcloud and upload live tracks or stuff tha isn't included in an actual released album?
Awesome job guys, keep up with the great work!!
I don't think these are accurate depictions of how Spotify works. Some years back, Spotify used to allow real indie artists on big playlists. Then these playlists grew, and Spotify realized that they could get labels to pay them. Spotify then did the same thing that they did with the older playlists, which was to shut the indies out. That's why there are no indies on Spotify indie playlists. Find out for yourself. Click on the artist, look into their song credits or bio. Not a true indie in the bunch. Indies are wasting their time if they try to break through that payola. An indie needs to find another way.
We work with indie artists and have about one playlisted every other month, so it's do able 👊
You guys give me hope 🖤
Is this a spotify add???
Drake is the blueprint of succès in the streaming era. I really don’t understand how this is hard to get, honestly if you are walking like Drake, in this steaming era, you’ll probably by being very lucky , a one hit wonder
Great information! Thank you!
Uploaded. Got onto the new music Friday list a couple of years ago.
Congratulations!!!
@@Burstimo Thank you. Hoping to repeat that. I'm a new subscriber and I'm sure I'll be pouring over your videos.
one word, User Centric Payment System , as long as that is not implemented, no one can say the streaming industry is just, because right now, my cash dont go to what i listen to, unless im generating false listen by playing my favorite artist on tens of account while listening to only one.
@6:26 How is it only 10% for the artist instead of 27%? 30 + 20 + 17 + 6 = 73% so that leaves 27%.
This was really informative, Thank you!! I have more ideas now!
This video is so encouraging love you guys
Great video. Very informative
how do I get in touch with Spotify and Other apps and ask them to put me on Playlists? You mentioned something like that on an episode with Maddie the other day
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Thank you for your knowledge 👍
Powerfully good video, thank you, M.
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Thank you!
Bro, Major labels have equity and ownership in Spotify. There’s no way they pull the music off as they would shoot themselves in the foot
Love the perspective. Great video!
Thanks!
Great video. Very encouraging and inspiring.
Very interesting - certainly food for thought. Thank you.
that Beatle analogy is wrong we have no idea how many times the person played the songs when they bought it.But I do think Spotify is better in the long run cause eventually the consumer has paid for the song many times but that takes hundreds if not thousands of listens . in the mid to short run physical media was better in a way. The reality of the music business is if your not super popular you won't make money and that is true in any era unless you are you own label or a artist that owns everything she or he makes
Are there links to your references on this subject? I'm finding it hard to believe a lot of these numbers and am wondering where they came from. Sounds like a bunch of bull really.
Except for the actual creative musicians, apparently.
There are creative musicians, but the Hot 100 is filled with spoon fed listeners.
@@orlock20 Hi Orlock, thanks for the comment. My thoughts:
There is music which is good but not popular, and there is music which is popular but not good. Admittedly there is music which is good and popular, and music which is bad and not popular, but a lot of it is subjective. Most people seem to just want a "pleasant noise" while they do something else. It seems that sitting and actually listening is no longer popular.
I was a big fan of Nico before I knew she had been in the Velvet Underground. An acquired taste admittedly, but I still listen to The Marble Index, one of my all time favourite albums and not for everyone.
Eventually I found out she had sung with the Velvets for a short time and gradually bought most of her albums.
According to some sources, more than half the current chart records are written by the same two men using the same four chords. Although showing how much of a slag you are does seem to influence sales (Cardi B, anyone?)
Have a very good day.
AGREE 100%. it's much better now then before even because now it's a democratic system! and if you don't earn much with platforms streaming it's simply because you are not good enough. i play football in the cristiano ronaldo era and you know what? he earns more then me!
Not. Reason:CBA. More interested in writing then spending time on the socials promoting. This might change soon, finishing a new project, might try putting this one on spot just to see what happens.
And it should be 25 cents per stream for the artist as a standard. That's fair.
Good stuff Burstimo ⚡😊
Just put your singles on Spotify, don't give them your whole album! Best of both worlds! Prove me wrong.
Excellent idea bro👌🏾
I was thinking the same thing for the past few months
Did you see any difference with doing that? did people buy your album somewhere else?
I’d assume you just don’t have very many songs. I like the idea though
The thing is this though all those 85 million subscribers are ALL on TH-cam why not just upload singles on TH-cam and if your fans want to hear the rest of your album they can go to your OWN personal website where they can download your latest art.
Excellent!!! Thank you!
You can't equate streams to record sales..How mnay downloads did Drake get Was is 178 million? ..if so you win.
Burstimo failed to finish the .16 p assumed payment in 1988 that is still 100 times higher per play than current streaming services that pay in the range of 0.0016 to 0.007 p per play...truth
Great video.
My music is not on spotify its on TH-cam, Instagram, and Facebook. The reason is because Im able to communicate with my fans and I can sell other things on the same platform.
COULD YOU STREAM BEATS ON SPOTIFY
Uploaded. However, I also get much support by friends who love me and support me so I can afford uploading to Spotify even in the face of the absence of a significant number of listeners... and this is why I'm the exception here, I guess.
Absolutely not ... Spotify isn't yet in my country (Nigeria)
Any artist makes it big due to marketing. Learn how to market yourself as a brand. Spotify could be an avenue in marketing yourself but do not make it the only one.
Your missing the point. A songwriter makes a deal with the record company who made a bad deal with streaming services. The songwriters are devalued to shelf fillers In a supermarket with Spotify and record company's as the shareholders.
ask sir mix-a-lot that question, he can tell you: "I love owning my own publishing, and I can not lie!" 😉
But firstly, we gotta figure out how to get even 1% of those 144m people, which can be time taking. We don't mean this in a negative way, just making it clear that it's definitely easier but not easy.
Sounds like what a record company would say while losing artist to independency. Miss me!!!
My newest niemsong on Spotify is MEMORIZATION and my newest niemstrumentals are MI AMIGO MEXICO and BEAUTIFUL DANCE! I thought SPOTIFY was supposed to pay 50 MILLION because they were not paying the songwriters and publishers enough and I'm still waiting. BTW all 12 of my CD'S have been CENSORED so CDBABY sent all my work back because of one song. NO PROFANITY but TRUTH is HATE SPEECH now and censoring TRUTH is more today than ever before. Check out my 12 at www.johnniems.com as that's the only place you can downtown most of my tunes now! BTW are there any LIVE CONCERTS for REAL HUMANS or will they be for CARDBOARD CUT OUTS like the SPORTS now? Let's end this COVID 19 HOAX NOW~!
thanks for sharing!
Absolutely Nev3r AGAIN! I want to start new label. I have the best CHANCE. 4 one, my Frequency is 639hz. If you know. That's the base of therapeutic quality healing. I'm also very knowledgeable of sound. I am curious about starting label. Getting my own radio station. And pay 4 play on youtube. I've heard youtube paying 5 cents per play. Spotify pays not 5hit . I don't speak about spotify but it is doomed. I am the King of Sound. With your help. I can get label off of ground. Need money for start up. But I work a rill job. Anyways I luv the channel. I have top secret promo video. It took me 11 years on social media to put in 1:19 second video. I really may take it down. Lol