I'm inclined to say that the definition of a "valid lock" might be redefined here. Locks that require a lot of extra pressure to get past pins which aren't rounded and are dropped below the lowest normal cut may "whip" you, but would never pass as a commercial lock for daily use because of the difficulty to open them. I get it, they are designed to beat you once, not be installed for a lifetime, but what impresses me the most are the elegant solutions that not only whip you, but could easily be installed in my front door without giving me any fuss when it comes time to unlock my door.
I think a "valid challenge lock" may be the appropriate term here - the method / technology used may be adaptable for a commercial lock, but it isn't necessarily the goal... the goal being to challenge Bill's techniques. :-)
How many commercial locks use Bic lighter springs in them? Quite a few challenge locks do. The term "valid lock" simply means that the lock is able to be opened with the key provided. On top of that, how much do you think you'd have to charge for a lock with that much alien tech inside? It's not worth it, which is why you don't see companies doing it.
The thing is, Pin 4 would have been no challenge at all if this had been sent to a European picker, as we'd have tried attacking it the other way up. Gravity was all that made that pin work the way it did.
Great picking there Bill. This was my challenge lock by the way. You were able to get it open in about the same time that it took me and I knew exactly what was inside! I'm glad to see that you were able to get it open and am certainly also pleased to win a Paclock. It looks like you missed the note in the package that explained a bit about the lock unfortunately. I did have to kind of cram it inside the box so I guess it was easy to miss. I have a (slightly outdated) video up on my youtube channel of me picking this lock and explaining the design if you are interested.
jason9022 since when is the value of a trophy determined by its pricetag? The value lies in the fact, that someone you respect gave it to you for an achievement.
Of COURSE they call them ropes, not liquorice, Bill! They have no liquorice in them!😜 And good job coming out of Wyoming, it looks like... That's a great challenge lock, David...!😮👍
Good on you Bill for not saying that the extra 19 seconds were null and void due to... well any excuse. Sucks to get whipped but it makes darned good viewing.
I ordered the mad bob's picking set you featured around Christmas time. Been watching these videos and others for quite a while and decided to try my hand at picking locks. I started with a master padlock, used a rake and had it open in under 10 seconds for the first time ever picking. Tried it again a few hours later to show my son and it did take me a 20 seconds the second time but still, I managed to get it open! Yes, I know I started with the easiest, most marshmallow lock, but I wanted to build my confidence. LOL Thank you Bill for making these videos! There is another convert in the lockpicking community now.
Well welcome to LockSport! Starting off with "easy" locks is a great way to build your confidence, so don't knock it. Occasionally, when I'm having a "bad picking day", I'll whip out a Master #3 and pick it 10-12 times to get the groove back.
Nice work Dave, great attention to detail! Bill, to shave off those extra 19 seconds from your picking time, might a suggest you revisit your "picking locks under stress " video for some helpful "points" :-) ...thanks Bill, always good content!
Great work on those pins David. The one deep pin is an interesting concept though most would avoid this as it makes inserting the key a little difficult. However, you seem to have pulled it off well as Bill had little difficulty there. :)
Hey, I recognize that key! We have the exact same ones on our electrical switchgear safety interlocks. That's why the 'dnd'. If you have dupe keys, you can interconnect two different systems with different phase angles and get a kaboom.
When Seconds count....is it the police, or the final click, that is just moments away? Maybe both? Cool Lock, and I loved the shim under the tape to conceal drilling. I am wondering though how the key would pass that long pin? How does the key manage to get up under it if it falls all the way down? I notice key formation and I supposed that explains it but it just makes me wonder with that flat bottom.
Too many whipped videos lately, sounds like it's time for me to send in another lock so Bill can get back to popping them open with seemingly no trouble at all. haha
I know, there has been too many lately... I better get off my back side and work on the challenge lock I have been planning before all the paclocks are gone lol
Bill that was the best pick I have ever seen man you are special.. believe me I've been around locks since I was 16 year's old when I started as a carpenter I'm now 69 ha! and still at it. Keep them coming. 8882huytonuk
Can't they just set up spools in all the chambers so that when you set one spool and go to set another one the act of setting another one causes the one you set to fall down and then when you're going back to set the other one doing so causes the onr u just set to come down so no matter what you do you can't get more than one pin set and just have all of those type of spools in 6 chambers making it pretty much impossible to pick it without setting all six simultaneously I guess the clockmakers don't do that because it would require extremely accurate tolerances making it more expensive to make
Really weird... I can pick a 5 pin brings pad lock but my 4 pin masterlock m1 won't seem to open for any reason it's 3 days old xD I'm so confused... time to get some cutaways I guess xD
OK Bill I can't help it! What would you do if you came across say a lock like this in actual use and as you say whipped? I am SURE you would not just say sorry and walk away! As I said years ago I knew a lock smith that sadly closed up shop. And all the stories I don't remember him ever just walking away or saying he was whipped or? Thanks.
If you had to get through this lock in real life without a key you'd ignore the lock and look for another way or just drill through it. This however is not the real world, this is a challenge to be completed withing 10 minutes (3 attempts)
So I must have heard it wrong. Shouldn't it be that Bill was whipped by 19 seconds on his 3rd try? What's each time limit. Ten minutes? So that would be whipped by TWENTY minutes and nineteen seconds. Lol!!! Great job Bill.
It also happened when he crinkled the plastic bag a lot. I think he may have enabled a noise cancellation feature of the camera and it's cutting out when it think it needs to.
Can someone explain me why he always uses "he" instead of "it"? It kinda pisses me off and i am not a native english speaker but my native language has neutral pronouns as well.
I believe because "HE" isn't referring to the lock but the builder... trying to be respectful of the hard work that goes into the lock by the builder. Or mabe I'm not understanding what you were talking about. Just a guess of what you were saying
@@St0RM33 It is just the way he talks. He references the pins as him he just because it is the way he thinks as he speaks. He referred to pin four as "This guy" instead of "This Pin" personifying the object and and then just continues to refer to it as a him or he.
Many people apply gender to "things" to either be funny or out of tradition or habit. Ships are generally female (I think) and lots of folks refer to their cars as girls and use names, for that matter some people (mainly men) name their genitalia. I know that tractor owners often name their tractors. Some people when having trouble taking something apart or back together again will refer to them as woman and talk dirty in order to get them to cooperate. *Technically it is referred to as anthropomorphization.* Makes no sense, but once you hear someone else do it you'll find you will probably do it too.
Rich Wojehowski Yeah, it’s no big deal. Definitely not worth getting upset over. My wife does that putting out Christmas decorations..”I’m putting him here and “him” over here..”. Like you said, a lot of people use that reference in some form or another.
I'm inclined to say that the definition of a "valid lock" might be redefined here. Locks that require a lot of extra pressure to get past pins which aren't rounded and are dropped below the lowest normal cut may "whip" you, but would never pass as a commercial lock for daily use because of the difficulty to open them. I get it, they are designed to beat you once, not be installed for a lifetime, but what impresses me the most are the elegant solutions that not only whip you, but could easily be installed in my front door without giving me any fuss when it comes time to unlock my door.
I think a "valid challenge lock" may be the appropriate term here - the method / technology used may be adaptable for a commercial lock, but it isn't necessarily the goal... the goal being to challenge Bill's techniques. :-)
Yeah, I had a similar thought. Also, doubled springs are a place where everyday wear could lead to breakage and eventual jamming.
How many commercial locks use Bic lighter springs in them? Quite a few challenge locks do. The term "valid lock" simply means that the lock is able to be opened with the key provided. On top of that, how much do you think you'd have to charge for a lock with that much alien tech inside? It's not worth it, which is why you don't see companies doing it.
More likely, manufacturers don't like trouble-prone designs (e.g. broken springs, worn pins) because it hurts sales.
The thing is, Pin 4 would have been no challenge at all if this had been sent to a European picker, as we'd have tried attacking it the other way up. Gravity was all that made that pin work the way it did.
Great picking there Bill. This was my challenge lock by the way. You were able to get it open in about the same time that it took me and I knew exactly what was inside! I'm glad to see that you were able to get it open and am certainly also pleased to win a Paclock. It looks like you missed the note in the package that explained a bit about the lock unfortunately. I did have to kind of cram it inside the box so I guess it was easy to miss. I have a (slightly outdated) video up on my youtube channel of me picking this lock and explaining the design if you are interested.
I wish you made a video of you watching this for the first time!
@jason9022 because its a free lock and its a prize for beating bill?
jason9022 since when is the value of a trophy determined by its pricetag? The value lies in the fact, that someone you respect gave it to you for an achievement.
Nice attention to detail with the shim stock covering the access holes!
Of COURSE they call them ropes, not liquorice, Bill! They have no liquorice in them!😜
And good job coming out of Wyoming, it looks like... That's a great challenge lock, David...!😮👍
I think we need a leader board on the website..... # locks submitted to pick, # beat, # whipped
sad that my holder broke. I have actually sent you a replacement a few weeks back.
Good on you Bill for not saying that the extra 19 seconds were null and void due to... well any excuse. Sucks to get whipped but it makes darned good viewing.
So close and yet so far! 19 seconds. Great pick anyway on an awesome valid lock.
Nice to see a hard lock with no trap crap involved. Great lock build.
I ordered the mad bob's picking set you featured around Christmas time. Been watching these videos and others for quite a while and decided to try my hand at picking locks. I started with a master padlock, used a rake and had it open in under 10 seconds for the first time ever picking. Tried it again a few hours later to show my son and it did take me a 20 seconds the second time but still, I managed to get it open! Yes, I know I started with the easiest, most marshmallow lock, but I wanted to build my confidence. LOL Thank you Bill for making these videos! There is another convert in the lockpicking community now.
Well welcome to LockSport! Starting off with "easy" locks is a great way to build your confidence, so don't knock it. Occasionally, when I'm having a "bad picking day", I'll whip out a Master #3 and pick it 10-12 times to get the groove back.
I like the new guidelines bill put in place for challenge locks I think it's more of a challenge for him because he is so good a picking these things
Nice work Dave, great attention to detail! Bill, to shave off those extra 19 seconds from your picking time, might a suggest you revisit your "picking locks under stress " video for some helpful "points" :-) ...thanks Bill, always good content!
There is a whole in it to allow your pick to get into it and make the feedback more difficult! Very nice...
Great work on those pins David. The one deep pin is an interesting concept though most would avoid this as it makes inserting the key a little difficult. However, you seem to have pulled it off well as Bill had little difficulty there. :)
Hey, I recognize that key! We have the exact same ones on our electrical switchgear safety interlocks. That's why the 'dnd'. If you have dupe keys, you can interconnect two different systems with different phase angles and get a kaboom.
Great try! That was a great lock and cool stuff! I will make you a new Corbin lock since you never got my other one.
Awesome work on that lock. Very tricky. You gave it your best shot Mr Bill. 👍🤘🖖🍻
Great job on the lock. Man there is some serious movement on that core, and that's just with the tension wrench inserted 😆
No worries about 19 seconds, you still got it opened !
Wow nicely done BILL great lock maker nice pins and well placed..😎
That new lock holder looks like its made from Delrin
I'd be lucky to get it in 10 hours, let alone 10 minutes! Nice job.
I think that holder is probably delrin
Yeah, that's what I would have guessed :-)
That's what I was thinking...
my guess also
Look like it to me too.👍
Agreed
the hole in 4 is there to grab the pick's tip
Exactly !! that is what I've thought !
That’s what girlfriends are for!
I thought exactly the same as Bill was describing the pins.
That or to fool Bill into wasting a bunch of time thinking it's a pin in pin
Yup, that is what I would guess too.
"Why does that tip always fall out when I need it?" 15:45 I hope you didn't get that quote from your wife. 😆🤣
Very creative design, Excellent pick Mr. Bill
When Seconds count....is it the police, or the final click, that is just moments away? Maybe both? Cool Lock, and I loved the shim under the tape to conceal drilling. I am wondering though how the key would pass that long pin? How does the key manage to get up under it if it falls all the way down? I notice key formation and I supposed that explains it but it just makes me wonder with that flat bottom.
what a great video .just want to say, thanks bill
Great job, Bill.
Bill you been getting whipped a lot lately! These challengers are doing their homework!
Too many whipped videos lately, sounds like it's time for me to send in another lock so Bill can get back to popping them open with seemingly no trouble at all. haha
Plot twist: he gets whipped again 🤔
Dang... another whipped!😲
I know, there has been too many lately... I better get off my back side and work on the challenge lock I have been planning before all the paclocks are gone lol
At age 67 I have just got in to lockpicking. I think this one may just be beyond my ability at present
I think the hole in #4 was to possibly catch a pick if your unlucky enough that would suck to try to get out if the hole is deep.
them pins look super scary from a scale of hither to undreamt of
Happy New year to you Bill.
Hope 2019 o a great year.
I wouldn't consider this being "whipped."
Difficult lock to pick makes for a great video
Win some, lose some. :/ Maybe the holder is made of micarta.🤔 Nice try on a good lock.✌😎
Maybe the hole in Pin number4 just refers to Jackson "Hole" WY?
Bill that was the best pick I have ever seen man you are special.. believe me I've been around locks since I was 16 year's old when I started as a carpenter I'm now 69 ha! and still at it. Keep them coming.
8882huytonuk
Your video I look forward to watching
Can't they just set up spools in all the chambers so that when you set one spool and go to set another one the act of setting another one causes the one you set to fall down and then when you're going back to set the other one doing so causes the onr u just set to come down so no matter what you do you can't get more than one pin set and just have all of those type of spools in 6 chambers making it pretty much impossible to pick it without setting all six simultaneously I guess the clockmakers don't do that because it would require extremely accurate tolerances making it more expensive to make
Feed the arch, it requires another sacrifice
Has it been this long since I've watched your videos or is the 60fps new? Love it.
Oh god... grape chocolate xD
Really weird... I can pick a 5 pin brings pad lock but my 4 pin masterlock m1 won't seem to open for any reason it's 3 days old xD I'm so confused... time to get some cutaways I guess xD
OK Bill I can't help it! What would you do if you came across say a lock like this in actual use and as you say whipped? I am SURE you would not just say sorry and walk away! As I said years ago I knew a lock smith that sadly closed up shop. And all the stories I don't remember him ever just walking away or saying he was whipped or? Thanks.
If you had to get through this lock in real life without a key you'd ignore the lock and look for another way or just drill through it.
This however is not the real world, this is a challenge to be completed withing 10 minutes (3 attempts)
Whip it...whip it real good lol at least you can say you gave 'er hell
Watch a Fudged up challenge lock put Bill on the Ropes.
I keep hearing AVE say "FOCUS YOU FUDGE"
That's chocolate or is it huckleberry flavored??
That's a nice mod.
That shim was dirty
Bill, why didn't you try using Ketchup from the get-go? Thanks for the vid!!
Don't think you would find this lock put to general use. Lock sport only. An oddity.
So I must have heard it wrong. Shouldn't it be that Bill was whipped by 19 seconds on his 3rd try? What's each time limit. Ten minutes? So that would be whipped by TWENTY minutes and nineteen seconds. Lol!!! Great job Bill.
This is why I don't do challenge locks, turning my picks into bananas isn't worth opening a lock for. ;-)
Is there a lock in this world you cant unlock?
What's been going on with the sound cutting out a lot lately? Especially when you say an "s" sound.
It also happened when he crinkled the plastic bag a lot. I think he may have enabled a noise cancellation feature of the camera and it's cutting out when it think it needs to.
Or scissors opening a package. In this video it cut out “fudge”.
You need water or to use rubber gloves more. Your skin seems so dehydrated.
Play the vid at .5 speed lol
Short driver pin
the sound balance between your voice and background is very odd in this video.
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Can someone explain me why he always uses "he" instead of "it"? It kinda pisses me off and i am not a native english speaker but my native language has neutral pronouns as well.
I believe because "HE" isn't referring to the lock but the builder... trying to be respectful of the hard work that goes into the lock by the builder. Or mabe I'm not understanding what you were talking about. Just a guess of what you were saying
No he definitely refers to the lock or the pins usually, for example 22:00 and onwards where he talks about the pin he couldn't bypass
@@St0RM33 It is just the way he talks. He references the pins as him he just because it is the way he thinks as he speaks. He referred to pin four as "This guy" instead of "This Pin" personifying the object and and then just continues to refer to it as a him or he.
Many people apply gender to "things" to either be funny or out of tradition or habit. Ships are generally female (I think) and lots of folks refer to their cars as girls and use names, for that matter some people (mainly men) name their genitalia. I know that tractor owners often name their tractors. Some people when having trouble taking something apart or back together again will refer to them as woman and talk dirty in order to get them to cooperate. *Technically it is referred to as anthropomorphization.* Makes no sense, but once you hear someone else do it you'll find you will probably do it too.
Rich Wojehowski Yeah, it’s no big deal. Definitely not worth getting upset over. My wife does that putting out Christmas decorations..”I’m putting him here and “him” over here..”. Like you said, a lot of people use that reference in some form or another.