(1295) Whipped: Core Sleeve Trickery by Scott Armstrong
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video I run out the 30 minute clock to get whipped by Scott Armstrong. His lock, which I call core sleeve trickery, is a piece of machinist's art. Scott made a second, floating sleeve and some really nasty steel security pins to guarantee you'll fall into a trap. REALLY cool lock!
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Wow, best presentation ever and a tough lock!😨 Amazing machine work, the work of a pro who's just up'd the standard. Way cool.😎🍺✌
He put some serious work into that on. That lock is way beyond my abilities.
Jubal Early very true, more that I could do too!
Don'z Lockz you should send that lock to LPL tell him that research is not allowed.. I think he might get stumped on that one as well..
@FoxRcng708, that's a really classy comment, fella.
There is no Fox racing that I can see
I was wondering what a locksmith with real machining skills could accomplish with a lock, and here I have the answer, an impressive work indeed.
I suspect the people creating locks are locksmiths and the people making them have real machining skills, and between them they could create A lock that's very difficult to pick like this one. They have, this is not the first to stump Bill. The real issue is is it commercially reproducible at a price it's worth to enough consumers. You spend a few+ hours making this for fun that's one thing, but a few extra minutes or more of production per lock when you're trying to produce enough locks for enough people who will pay enough money to keep you in the black is something else. I can't say for sure, but I suspect these would have to be expensive locks to produce commercially, which means sales to fewer consumers. The commerce question is always is the extra time to produce worth enough money to a enough consumers to turn a profit. Unless of course, you're a democrat, in which case any amount of someone else's money is well worth what I want.
It's a false set trap. You have to out right pick it without using the false set. If you don't the sleeve prevents the other pins from going in the the Bible. Amazing lock!! You gave it one hell of a try Bill.
so its pickable
lPlanetarizado yes but it would take patience and a very light touch. Figuring out the lowest set pin first would be half the battle.
Just think how much stronger your average lock would be if floating sleeves were standard. Relatively cheap to mass produce, and it doesn't seem like it should open it up to other vulnerabilities either, though I'm far from an expert.
The magnetic handle! It's for pin extraction! They're all steel! Use the handle Bill!
Okay, I'm done shouting at the screen :D
WOW!!! As a machinist, I know working with tight tolerances. Just watching all this work makes me want to tip my hat at this incredible work!!!!!!!!
I agree! I THOUGHT I was a machinist until seeing THIS. Now I feel like a wannabe clown.
+Bosnianbill You so nonchalantly made that comment about having blood on your hands, and have access to a crazy arsenal. WHAT DO YOU DO!?!?!?!?
@@AshleeKnowsNot the world will never know.
Because he'd have to kill us all.
#secretsaresafewithBB
Just thinking about dealing with the cutting forces on some of those thin pieces makes me shudder. Everything flexing and bending, plus the slow speeds on those super deep spools. I can't imagine how much time this took. I bet there were quite a few broken parts as well as ones out of tolerance. Amazingly well done!
As a machinist who is also training to be a locksmith this video is captivating. I'm feeling inspired. 😈 (hopefully my skills shine half as good a this.)
Next challenge for Scott is to replace the single sleeve with separate sections of sleeve for each of (or maybe pairs of) the pins.
Your thought process is bound to make my life harder... I am banning you for having too much creativity, initiative and original thought. 😋
OK Satan, that'll be enough from you! :)
Exactly my thoughts. Also, maybe make one sleeve grab the next one or make it move in opposite direction to seize the rest of the pins! ))
@anomicworld Puzzles, the original locks of chinese boxes... the next level up. Go for it!
I like that we can hear the amazement and respect as you're pulling it apart. That is a seriously cool lock and deserves the whipped video. Fantastic!
I really was blown away by the intricacy of the craftsmanship on this one! I am....envious. To the EXTREME!
@@bosnianbill is this "floating sleeve" how the separate shear line on a Best Lock is achieved? The control/operation difference has me intrigued.
The Best lock, as well as Arrow and other multi-shearline locks, DO have a second sleeve but is is not "floating. Instead, in those locks the sleeves are both attached to the actuator and can either open the lock (operating sleeve) or remove the core (control sleeve). Basically, it is an updated master ring lock with two separate and different keys. If you are really interested, grab yourself a Best core and gut it. That is the fastest way to understanding how multi-shearline locks work.
As one machinist to another, respect is due - Beautiful work here. No wonder it was a tricky one to pick, it's got a lovely assortment of tricky pins, plus threading and the sleeve just multiplies the horror by about 100. What a delight to see but I'd rather not have to open one of these :D
Is it even possible?
Larry Be never say never, but I’m not commuting to “Yes” just yet.
Maybe LPL can try?
Unfortunately LPL doesn’t feature challenge locks on his channel. He is definitely up there with the best of them for picking though.
Would he have the blind disadvantage Bill had by not seeing its innards?
The amount of play in cylinder made me wonder. It seemed really loose, which might indicate "sloppy machining", but that was far from the truth. That is among the most precisely machined cylinders and pins I've seen. The difficulty Bill had getting the pins out is a testament to the close tolerances. The sleeve around the cylinder made things look sloppy, which is actually a very effective security feature. That lock is a beautifully machined piece of art. I've seen LPL pick challenge locks, so I'm confused by the @tuba7084 comment.
Yeah exactly, thats head and shoulders the best challenge lock I've ever seen. Take a bow, son!
Most of these craft made locksport locks wouldn't fly at all as commercial locks, but just taken as puzzles Scott Armstrong's work is nothing short of phenomenal. Just amazing machining quality.
The introductions in the locklab song are so extra. Locklab is truly where the fun begins you get the rowdiest crowd picking locks
That’s some fine machining there. You can really tell when a person is not only good at what they do, but also enjoys what they do.
A lot of thought went into the design of this challenge-lock. Best of all, it operates very smoothly, unlike other challenge-locks, which can be troublesome to operate, even using the key.
So I walked away for just a few seconds at the start of this video, came back and enjoyed the rest of it. About 10 minutes in, the alarm in my phone goes off and scares the _shit_ outta me. I'm sitting here thinking I'm haunted, checking my alarm settings and I do _not_ have an alarm set at the time it went off.
...I go back and watch the video again, and here's Bill asking Siri to set a 10 minute timer.
Goddamn you @Bosnianbill! You owe me new pants, brother!
I don't think you'll ever be challenged by anything this complex and beautiful again. A unique work of art, you really shouldn't feel bad, that was impossible to pick
That is a work of art! Truly custom level lock. Blows a factory made lock away! Beautiful workmanship! And I was a whipped by lock on top! Awesome!
Those pins are Gorgeous i would consider that a masterpiece done by a true Artisan I can't say enough Great Work!! I'm sure Mr.Bill feels honored to be whipped by that beautiful piece of artwork I know I'd be
Well, I don't like being beat, but when something this well done does it, I don't feel nearly as bad.😀👍
Scott Armstrong is a lock-artist! That is some of the most beautiful work I've seen in a long, long time. If Master lock ever wanted to up their game, they should take note, or maybe just offer Mr. Armstrong a job.
Absolutely breathtaking. Never seen a nicer lock. Great work Scott!
That is one very clever and talented piece of lock making and absolutely first class machining . Just looking at the thought that went into it bends my brain quite a fair bit . Go Scott
Impressive machine work to make those pins and design the sleeve. Great job BB at attempting pick such a beautifully made pin set especially since you had no idea what was actually waiting inside the lock.
This has the air of a good magic trick. After you learn how it's done, you're even more amazed.
LOOOOVE THESE KINDS OF VIDEOS!! SOOO AWESOME!!
Bill, before you return the whipped locks, do you try to beat them again? Now that you know their secrets?
I really don't think it would make that much of a difference. Unless you could avoid the pins trapping against that sleeve by knowing the bitting (and having the skill to raise them there), you'd have to be very, very lucky to get an open.
Bosnianbill I wondered in a comment earlier if this lock was actually pickable. There's the answer. ☺What a cool lock.
I was wondering the same thing. It is an advantage to know the internal construction. I'm amazed that such a simple modification is so effective.
@@bosnianbill You could probably reduce the effect of the sleeve, if not eliminate it altogether, by putting something in the bottom of the keyway to line it up the same way the key does. Maybe as part of a purpose-made tensioner.
Old technology is sometimes the best technology
Lovely work on that and good effort picking it Bill, really really nice.
Hats off to Scott, that has to most impressive challenge lock Bill has ever had in his hands, no shame in being whipped by this masterpiece!
Ultimate challenge lock. One of a kind. So cool to see how it works.
Huge counter rotation, could see it so clearly thanks to those marks - fantastic idea.
One of the best challenge locks I've seen. Lovely presentation too.
This is probably one of the best locks I have seen because with that standard pin in the 1 slot, it looks so inviting.
That is the most amazing work, the machining was great, blows many high security locks out of the water. Thanks Bill 👍🏻
That is a legit challenge lock. Great work.
Inconceivable! Well done, Scott Armstrong! Props to BosnianBill for hanging in there too.
I watch a lot of lock vids. This may be my fav. Well done.
I'd like to see those pins being picked (or attempted) in a transparent bible. Seeing how those pins respond to a pick, or even the key, would be fascinating
That is an awesome lock! I hope lock manufacturer's watch this and take notes. I really like all the attention to detail that was put into this lock.
My god thats gorgeous. The standard pin upfront to throw you off just shows the level of thought thats in this lock.
WOW!!! What an amazing piece of work. I think the best challenge lock I've seen on this channel, and there's been some tremendously good challenge locks on this channel. Absolutely fantastic job Scott, very well done man! 👌👌
AWESOME machine work Scott!!
The full presentation with the block and tools is remarkable!
Have to say nice job, finally some quality craftsmanship.
Hat off to you sir.
I agree, Scott did some really outstanding work on this lock.
Bosnianbill to clarify, others have also.. but, this one gets my attention, me being a fabricator and all. good job.
thanks for all you do for the locksport community Bill !!
I was looking to pick a disc lock, lost key which you pick in seconds. Then I watched you take apart a very complicated lock. looked more like art than a lock. In short I have a grater understanding of locks & how they work
I offer great applause for the very fine machine work. The pins are all very sharp and clean in design and production. I also like the fact that the plug plus sleeve total diameter equals the original thickness of the plug. This potentially makes it easier to rekey with a standard follower. The key at the bottom, coming through the slot in the sleeve, will keep the top pins from falling down into the slot. If a picker uses a thick turning tool that wedges at the bottom of the keyway, he can turn the plug and sleeve at the same time. This would invalidate the value of the sleeve's contribution to pick resistance. But, he would also have to know that it has the sleeve ahead of time and the extreme security pins will still be a huge obstacle to beat.
I am gobsmacked over the machine work. Deep respect on everything Mr. Armstrong.
I felt exactly the same way as soon as I opened the package. When I saw the specialized tools, as well as the beautifully executed lock housing, I suspected I was in trouble...😀
Don’t say this often....but that’s an AWESOME lock!!
Hell of a job Scott.
Masterful Workmanship Mr. Scott Armstrong -- Beautiful to see!
This was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. I need a workshop with machines.
Wow. That was a beast. You were done for from the first false set, if that sleeve gets inside one of those spools it's game over. Absolutely insane.
Scott is a true craftsman, great presentation and a great design that is well executed. Tough gig Bill.
Now that's impressive. That's how you do a challenge lock. NOT gouging up the face of a lock like a neanderthal.... (Sorry, but THIS shows pinning and unique alien tech.....NOT mangling up the face of a lock to make it harder to tension.) Amazing Craftsmanship! Jolly Well Done!
Tedybear315 I agree! I think this is one of the best challenge locks that Bosnian Bill has ever featured. He couldn’t pick it, yet the key works factory smooth!
This guy is a machinist, the first I have seen here! Great work!
Impressive metal working skills. I've been a machinist in a former life and I'm impressed
Fantastic work, Scott. No shame in losing to this one, Bill.
Wow Scott, that is by far the best job on a practice lock I have seen on here. You my friend have skills . I sure hope Master Junk has been watching. Mr. Bill ì think you picked it, but that side pin held you back. Nice effort on it.🔒
《THUMPER》 Lock picking, Police accountability no side pin!
That's a work of freaking art! Wow.
Awesome job, as a machinist I must say this guy really does awesome work, those sharp edges on something so small are not easy, and the fit of that sleeve. Thanks for sharing this beautiful work.
I think this guy should definitely see if he can't get a UTILITY PATTEN on this for sure one of the best I've seen.
A Freekin work of art! Great video!
I'd call that multi-stepped spool a wine glass. Very neat
With the awesome skill displayed with these challenge locks, im starting to think Machinist vs. Locksmith would be the next great marvel super hero movie! As an extreme amateur of these trades, I continue to be amazed... and extremely envious of the talent! Badass work and design Scott! Excellent attempt Bill, glad you are no longer beating yourself up over "just a 5 pin lock". That thing was a killer!
Man, why don't all home locks come with this sleve?! It's not that expensive, but secure as hell...! Master's and other junk I understand, but an $80-100 door lock ought to have this...
Most homes in America have $20-$30 locks though thanks to the ever-present thought that locks "just keep honest people honest." I really wish people would figure out what reasonable security really looks like.
My town house was broken in 3x in college, all over holidays and i assume by the same people. They only got things the first time, but they never went in through doorways, always a broken window.
From mine and other peoples experience thief’s will always take the easy way unless it is something in particular they are after, but then they wouldn’t really be the run of the mill thief.
Kris Sisk Exactly! It doesn't take that much extra, but can add a lot in terms of security...
Riley Fenley But did your house have any kind of security system on the windows, like some kind of alarm connected to them? That's not too difficult to arrange, doesn't take that much power, but a broken 'strip' in a window alerting of a break-in works wonders.
Michael Berthelsen the first time no, the second and third yes, a full alarm with window sensors. I also got spot lights added on the side where the break in happened (it was the end unit). I also would call and ask for extra police presence in my area because of the previous break in.
I’m not saying good locks aren’t a good investment, but it is more than likely not the way they are going in.
It seems that sleeve idea pops it’s head up every so often with pretty much the same results
Average Picker Any of those results bad?
A well deserved victory to Scott. That was some fine work.
That makes for hone heck of a lock. Looks like you would have to use something in the bottom of the keyway to force the sleeve to align correctly but not knowing it is there would make that difficult to do. I am thinking about getting a little mini lathe for a project and making some keypins may be in my future.
That's insanely crazy... good luck picking that to anyone 😆
Man that lock seems like it owned be tough to use even with the key lol. Some mind blowing complexity there. I bet because of that sleeve and those steel pins, there's a different vulnerability that's much faster than picking.
Wow 😳 Wow 😲 it INTERESTING LOCK 😅🔐
YOU RIGHT !
IT'S EXCELLENT.
SOMETHING SPECIAL I SEE!
Great video. Wow on Scott Armstrong’s machining skill. He has some really innovative tech in his lock.
That was hands down some of the best machineing and presentation I've seen on the channel. Amazing work Scott!
Beautiful workmanship and very well planned design. No shame at all not picking that one.
Wow!
That was impressive from start to finish!
From the packing to the design it was all very well done!
One other technique difference I noticed between you and LPL is how you hold the tensioner as well the size of tensioner used. He uses a smaller, spring like tensioner as a spring with an open hand whereas you have a closed hand technique on the tensioner. I think this gives him more room to work with a greater feel availability. Loving your videos though.
The follower he supplied is the stock he used for the sleeve. Awesome micro machining from Scott Armstrong!!!!!
That is some lock. I would not hesitate to use that lock to keep my stuff safe.
From one extreme to another the last lock you picked Adam Sweden was a mess and this one is a work of art. Adam I if your watching take a very good look and take notes. ( that goes for anyone else that wants to butcher a lock). Everything about this lock is stunning right down to the presentation. Again thanks Scott for the lesson in doing it right.
I had a similar idea, but neither the skills nor the tools to pull it off. Beautiful work.
I know alot of people don't but I love a longer video every now and then. Great showcase of Scott's work.. I still havent gotten my hands on a Ruko with the sleeve.. this is pretty much the same thing! Great Work! These are the kind of locks I really love to see.. I would love to see how he put that togeather.. steel pins? wow
Great look bill. That guy should be working with one of these big companies as an advisor. They could learn a lot from him.
Awesome videos. I get to watch them once in a while and they never disappoint.
Great presentation and great work on the lock
This challenge lock is just perfect ... all is so nice ... congrats Scott
Wow, what a challenge lock....
You sir have my respect for that one
Nicest lock I’ve Ever seen!
Congratulations.
You earned your win.
I think he had more than,,,, some skill Bill,,,,I can't help but wonder if you ever came across an original stumper that you feel should be pattened ? This was a good one ! Hats off to the craftsman !!! 😁🖒🇺🇸
Beautiful, nice work Scott!
Wow,if every manufacturer made locks like this there would not be any more lockpickers 😂
It's always good to see you have fun gutting a lock!
The work of an artist! Just beautiful
The second Top pin, should be called a "Wine Glass" pin. This guy created some amazing work of art here. Time went into this one. Great video!
Wine glasses aren't stepped. How about "Hanoi pin" after the towers of Hanoi?
Bill, it looks like (in your presentation of the guts) you had driver pins 2 and 4 upside-down. The steps of the multi-step pin were closer to the key pin, and the dual spring pressed on each part of the pin-in-pin independently. Re-installing them incorrectly would probably reduce any additional security their special features provided.
WOW!!! That is amazing work... I mean the finish and machining are beautiful, really quality, professional work, but the design is amazing!!! Basically taking a standard FIVE PIN Schalge C and turning it into a genuine high security cylinder... First off it DEFINITELY meets the standard for pick resistance... I'm not seeing anything that would cause long term reliability issues like I do in a lot of challenge locks, and it LOOKS like the sleeve aligns and locks in place at the bottom keyway groove when the key is inserted so you don't even have to "work" the key in"... My thought on that is that this MIGHT give it a vulnerability to bumping, but between all those sharp serrated pins, serrated chambers, the pin-in-pin, the different springs, and the steel pins, I'd be surprised if it even bumped consistently even taking the sleeve out of the equation.
On top of all that, between the steel sleeve and pins mated with the soft brass cylinder plug, this cylinder would even be a total PITA to drill.. Especially if you didn't know what you were dealing with. (How many drill bits am I gonna snap on this thing?!?!?)
Scott, you DEFINITELY need to send this to Schalge to see if they'll incorporate it into their line, it would make an amazing option / upgrade!!! If they don't bite shop it around with other manufacturers.
Yeah Scott you need to take a patent out on that or something. I feel like I just watched electricity being discovered.
The "BAR" has been raised. Time to pick up your game guys.
That is a work of Art, be it evil art but a work of art none the less.
oh i love scott armstrong's lock ...
Just awesome Bill..Great machine work not a amateur for sure ..thanks for the Great video buddy. 🌟⭐🌟⭐🌟😎
Need to send my locks/cores to Scott for pinning or maybe Master should hire him 🤣
That was effing gnarly. Good job bill. Props to Scott ad well.
Watching this in 2021 and I missed these videos. Understand why Bill stopped but was cool to see what people came up with
One of the coolest locks ever seen full of wicked pins.. Totally amazing! Great job!!!
Would so many variations be necessary in this set-up?
Well.. If you aim to whip BosnianBill it seems such variations are necessary. If I remember right I see him picking locks with floating sleeves and other locks full of crazy assa-like pins.. So if you mix the two things the result is a crazy lock 😉
Wow! That is going to be VERY tough act to follow! To say I would hate to summit a challenge lock after that work of art would be an understatement!
That's amazingly clever. Good job, Scott!
This deserves a whipped by Pac Lock way more than that "unpickable" lash up a while back. This was a beautifully crafted, proper, challenge lock. Is this actually pickable? ☺
Sure, it's actually pickable. For example you could have a pick with an adjustable "finger" at each hole, and try all combinations. Most people won't have such a fancy pick, though.
Doug Gwyn I guess any lock is pickable..given time and the right tools...some are just more resistant than others. I think that is what makes this hobby/technology so interesting ☺
In the archives there are reviews of a few lock designs that are very close to unpickable. I don't have URLs handy, but I recall a bicycle lock for which using the key first rotated the active portion of the key into the inside of the lock before engaging; also there was a mortise cylinder that employed a similar concept although the details were different. The idea of these was, of course, that no pick could reach the active parts of the lock. It would still be possible, conceptually at least, to fabricate a key with embedded tiny parts that could be actuated through the key handle, stem, and bitting region. You'd have to be a really fine machinist to create such a "pick key". Manufacturing cost for the lock would be higher than for most locks.
Doug Gwyn Yeah, I remember...did a quick look..The Forever lock was the bike lock , and I think it was the Bowley that had a separate chamber that the key operated in around the core. Great locks.
The Bowley v1 is borderline unpickable. Chris Ahrens successfully picked the Bowley on camera. Not sure his tools would work on the v2 Bowley, not enough room. The Bowley prototype v2 with opposing 180* key bitting seems like an impossible to pick lock. Yea, nothing mechanical is impossible, but if it keeps 1/100,000 attempted picks out, that's secure.
This has got to be the coolest lock I've watched you gut. Well done!!