Me too! And I'm not even a collector. I can't tell you how tempted I was to tell Scott that this got lost in the return mail! 😀 It's already back safely in his hands tho.
I was getting worried when I didn’t see a video posted on your schedule... last time that happened you got stabbed in the neck! 😳 And Scott, very cool lock!
That lock is amazing! It is like he put psychology to work on this design, keep that massive keyway just begging pickers to go at it with abandon... so devious I love it.
@@adambartlett114 I mean, sure, it's possible that the letter was a lie. It's always possible that somebody is lying. However, people who set puzzle pride themselves on the puzzles standing on their own merit and being hard because of the intrinsic properties of the puzzle. People who solve puzzles feel cheated if they're lied to. In the context of a puzzle, I'd take the letter at face value.
WOW! Double WOW! Scott is a true craftsman. As for the lock, what a masterful job of building a better puzzle. Easy to get tools into, but still hard to figure out. MASTER!
Hey Bill, after declaring the whipped status, then finding out about those 2 side pins, it would have been interesting to see you attempt at least once more with that knowledge. It's things like that I would love to see on a secondary channel (and bloopers too).
A rematch would be welcome, after all, we study the weakness and the different type of security elements in every new lock design. So, for educational purposes I would love to see him trying again.
I think he demonstrated how a second attempt may have gone when he showed how a .010 rake/pick would still push that side pin out. But maybe there's more clearance than that or it could have been forced? But maybe tension wrenches aren't that strong?
@@danielgoodman3578 The idea was to keep it tight enough that anything thin enough to get under the side pins would be too thin to be useful as a pick. With only the side pins installed, a .003 shim in the keyway binds the core. As far as forcing it, I don't know what the pins are made out of, but it's way tougher than the lock body- it'd just jam up and seize the whole thing solid.
Am I the only one who got more enjoyment out of the amazing machining & beautiful simplicity than the fact that it's essentially unpickable? Beautiful work Scott! I would love to see a set of challenge locks produced in that same beautiful form!
Ok, who in all the nine hells is bitching about video length?!?!? I'd watch these videos if they were 4 hours of Bill fighting and failing with a lock. Great video, thanks!! And marvelous engineering, Scott, awesome job!!
This is why i love the locklab, you get years of professionalism in little packages, such as Mr. Bill and just as smart subs who can work a mill like nobody else
No worlds can describe the beauty of this lock. I am so amazed! !!! I am so thankful of you Bill for your excellent presentation and for Scott the creator of this masterpiece !!!!
What I love about your videos, and you as a person Bill, is your humility and readiness to give credit where it’s due. This lock looks amazingly well engineered and for you to admit defeat makes us lesser-mortals remember that there is always a challenge that will beat us. Keep up the amazing content. Thanks!
I'm no lock picker, but damn that was some beautiful machining and engineering. Thanks for not just dropping that in to the bucket. I so enjoyed this one. well done Scott, well done bill.
Absolutely brilliant Scott! Amazing work. If you ever produce them commercially let me know - would gladly have a lock like that on my front door! Bill - great attempt!
Man... Scott is a true craftsman ! I'd love to have one of his locks in my collection. Such beautiful work! I wish I had a mill and a lathe so I could make something like that :P
PLEASE READ: Hi, I´m from Austria and have to tell you that here in south, particullary Carinthia we have lots of Winkhaus locks. They are a pain in the ass just because of that design. It is not new, it´s rather old. thats why you have to know each and every product, otherwise you try to pick a lock which is simply as good as unpickable. Up to a max. of 8 of those suckers (4 a side) in this system. Milling is the new picking here, 3mm mill, 25.000-28.000 rpm and lets go all through the keyway. But even that is not it, there are many tricks :-) I love picking but the amount of pickable locks here on entrance doors or flats is about to 10-20% as far as i´m concerned and i´m working at the only locksmith in my surrounding, so my experience is pretty decent, 10 yrs as a locksmith... :-((( Check f.e. the Winkhaus RPE System, it´s common here, then you get the picture of what we face everyday, and more than that I think of it as crap, not very expensive but also not very reliable, yesterday I had one of these, core pulling protection shield mounted over it and that damn thing got so stuck, the key was like 40° turned and wouldnt turn a tenth of a millimeter to the right or left... only 1,5 yrs old... door locked twice... also an aditional lock - also locked and uses the same key which do not turn and therefore cant be pulled out, also locked twice - multiple bolts lock... THAT SUCKS!!! Bottom line i do not like Winkhaus at all and even wouldnt recommend it! I would go with nearly everything else!!!! Keep up the good work man!! 💖💖💖 Chris
Reading your comment makes me glad I didn't go through the expense of trying to get a patent on this. I'd never seen this design here in the US, but it's so simple in concept I was sure I wasn't the first to come up with it. Even making this one example work as well as it did was a pain, I can't imagine scaling it up to real production volume.
Wow absolutely amazing from the craftsmanship, design & small details. I hope this lock makes its way around to the different TH-cam channels. I wonder even knowing how it works if it could be picked. The details involved in the presentation, the pull tab on the tape for the key to the machining on the steel pins, very impressive. One well deserved paclock.
He more than probably did. This is America, after all. Bit so many chinese ingeneers literally stalk these channels, and there's little to nothing you can do against that.
Problem with this is the manufacturing. Most mainstream lock companies have no interest in something this precise. It would make the lock so expensive to manufacture that it would price itself right out of the market. It's always a balance between cost to make and security.
Excellent workmanship all around on that lock Scott! Your side pin idea is rather genius. It blocks you from picking a high-cut pin if you don't move it out of the way and if you do move it, it blocks rotation of the core. Devious indeed...
Stunning skilled craftsmanship by Scott A. Without a doubt its well worth a whipped by lock Could really see this design being used as a high security door lock. Cheers for sharing Bill✌😎🍻
Sometimes watching Netflix as well XD! They'll say something not even vaguely related to "ok google." Just tell her she fucked up she might humbly apologize. Just then skip that section of audio lol
I believe if i was Scott i would be getting a patent on these very fast . He could make some great money on the core of this lock. It is very Awesome ! ! ! It could make a big change in the would of locks as we know it. From Home to padlocks.. Bill i don't know how you feel but i would try to give Scott so advice on get this patented asap.
@@newdeathscope Well there are situations where you'd want to give quite some money for safety. And on corporate scale this thing could be a real treasure of a lock.
Amazing innovation. Probably the only true unpickable lock you have had in your videos. Very easy to incorporate into existing commercial lock cylinders but not cheap to do. Great video Bill.
Chlorate But if the picker knows about them, the picker will also know the depth of the pins above them must be at max height. So this is really a 4 pin lock with an access restriction for the unprepared picker.
You could have for instance 3 side pins with different spring tensions, 2 needing to be left alone and 1 that the key needs to hold to the side. If the side pins were serrated they would be even more difficult
Well the point is if you pick them at all, (and you have to in order to reach the back pins) they over set. If you control the tolerances on the blocker pins well enough you could make it such that oversetting the blockers resets the core and prevents further binding.
I do think having all pins accompanied by side pins and hiding the true side blocking pins would be the solution. Could also vary the height of the side pin location so they don't always fall on the shortest key pin.
Amazing lock, could of watched this all day to understand it. I know you don't feel bad Mr.Bill. this lock was Awesome. Hope he Patten's this design. Can you say money money money. Excellent work
Great one! Im a hobby machinist and know that is some fine machine work! I wish he would make a video of the making of this lock. Just to see him machine them pins alone would be awesome.
I was imagining this very same type of lock the other day while Bill was trying to pick another (I think it had an extremely low pin in front). I glad to see that my thoughts were on the right track and somebody else with great skills was able think of it as well and to produce it. Bravo Scott, great idea, great machining too.
What a gorgeous piece of machining. I really want to try that lock. So I watched bill for years but never really got into locksport until last year. I guess I never realized how hard some of the locks are that Bill picks. I have a hard time picking mushroom pins and spools but for some reason spools are easier for me. I can only imagine how hard it is to pick some of the custom double spool serrated pins and what not.
Absolutely brilliant! Also, Bill, I still think you need to fiddle with your audio filter and/or noise gate. Words like "Sparrows" get turned into "-parrows".
Bill, I love seeing locks you have trouble getting into. Especially ones without permanent traps. While you're trying to get in, I'm trying to design locks to keep you out.
my goodness.. the skill and craftsmanship put into that cube was simply amazing. Scott Armstrong, Respect man! and for my main man Bill, keep up the great work! love the videos and enjoy playing with my pick's and practice locks... tho you could have given me a year and the key and i wouldn't have gotten into that cube lol
![[653] Prototype Dual Fork Bowley Padlock (Model 543)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/D6vioIPVzM4/mqdefault.jpg)
This is amazing. I don't think I've seen another lock that is this pretty to look at. I want one just to sit on a shelf.
Me too! And I'm not even a collector. I can't tell you how tempted I was to tell Scott that this got lost in the return mail! 😀 It's already back safely in his hands tho.
I was just thinking the same thing, lol. Scott could make some money selling his creations ! If I could only afford one, lol
Forget putting that lock on a shelf... I want that lock inside the hardened steel door of my (dream) safe room!
@@AustinSlacker yea man. I dont know how pickable it is. It seems to set one, you have to over set the other.
How much if you put a price on it do you think something like this would cost
Wow. That design is just perfect. The wide open keyway is just bait for the most frustration a picker will ever have.
I was getting worried when I didn’t see a video posted on your schedule... last time that happened you got stabbed in the neck! 😳
And Scott, very cool lock!
Nothing so dramatic today, thank goodness. I forgot to check a box when scheduling the video for release at 0800. My mind is going....
@@bosnianbill
Gettin' old sucks, doesn't it? 😃
stabbed in the neck??
LockPickingLawyer - I’d like to see you try your magic on that one. 😬
@@EnergeticWaves don't be so dramatic lol
That lock is amazing! It is like he put psychology to work on this design, keep that massive keyway just begging pickers to go at it with abandon... so devious I love it.
He said in the letter that the unwarded, open keyway is simply because he doesn't have a way of machining anything else.
@@adambartlett114 I mean, sure, it's possible that the letter was a lie. It's always possible that somebody is lying. However, people who set puzzle pride themselves on the puzzles standing on their own merit and being hard because of the intrinsic properties of the puzzle. People who solve puzzles feel cheated if they're lied to. In the context of a puzzle, I'd take the letter at face value.
Take care BosnianBill, thank you for your knowledge, and enjoy retirement!
WOW! Double WOW! Scott is a true craftsman. As for the lock, what a masterful job of building a better puzzle. Easy to get tools into, but still hard to figure out. MASTER!
Drew H it was a trap, Scott was like, go ahead, stick something big in there and lock those extra pins on 3 and 5, and now you’re doomed 😆
This is better machining than I have seen on many engines. Great lock Scott!
Hey Bill, after declaring the whipped status, then finding out about those 2 side pins, it would have been interesting to see you attempt at least once more with that knowledge. It's things like that I would love to see on a secondary channel (and bloopers too).
Michael Goodwin I second this
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A rematch would be welcome, after all, we study the weakness and the different type of security elements in every new lock design. So, for educational purposes I would love to see him trying again.
I think he demonstrated how a second attempt may have gone when he showed how a .010 rake/pick would still push that side pin out. But maybe there's more clearance than that or it could have been forced? But maybe tension wrenches aren't that strong?
@@danielgoodman3578 The idea was to keep it tight enough that anything thin enough to get under the side pins would be too thin to be useful as a pick. With only the side pins installed, a .003 shim in the keyway binds the core. As far as forcing it, I don't know what the pins are made out of, but it's way tougher than the lock body- it'd just jam up and seize the whole thing solid.
Am I the only one who got more enjoyment out of the amazing machining & beautiful simplicity than the fact that it's essentially unpickable? Beautiful work Scott! I would love to see a set of challenge locks produced in that same beautiful form!
i think that this level of craftmanship is completely on another planet..... mr Scott Armstrong you are in another League !
Great workmanship. Really beautiful. I really like how he did it with a wide key way and without extreme bitting. Now let’s see if Harry can pick it!
Time for the machinist in me to geek out!! That was so well designed and fabricated!!!!
Ok, who in all the nine hells is bitching about video length?!?!? I'd watch these videos if they were 4 hours of Bill fighting and failing with a lock.
Great video, thanks!! And marvelous engineering, Scott, awesome job!!
I think they are complaining about the video being too short.
No you wouldnt, if you were into that you'd be listening to politics - fighting and failing - not lockpicking
Exactly! You can't rush beauty & perfection :-)
This is why i love the locklab, you get years of professionalism in little packages, such as Mr. Bill and just as smart subs who can work a mill like nobody else
This kind of precision makes Skynet weep
Skynet will simply steal the technology and eventually use it against us. Skynet's playing chess, while we're playing checkers... Prepare!
No worlds can describe the beauty of this lock. I am so amazed! !!! I am so thankful of you Bill for your excellent presentation and for Scott the creator of this masterpiece !!!!
The guy who made this is amazing, proper Genius. Design skills are next level
What an elegant lock. What a masterful attempt to pick it. What a gracious admission of defeat. Kudos all around.
What I love about your videos, and you as a person Bill, is your humility and readiness to give credit where it’s due. This lock looks amazingly well engineered and for you to admit defeat makes us lesser-mortals remember that there is always a challenge that will beat us. Keep up the amazing content. Thanks!
What an incredible piece of art! Can you imagine what the lock world would be like if something like this were the standard and not the exception?
I'm no lock picker, but damn that was some beautiful machining and engineering. Thanks for not just dropping that in to the bucket. I so enjoyed this one. well done Scott, well done bill.
Absolutely brilliant Scott! Amazing work. If you ever produce them commercially let me know - would gladly have a lock like that on my front door!
Bill - great attempt!
Man... Scott is a true craftsman ! I'd love to have one of his locks in my collection. Such beautiful work! I wish I had a mill and a lathe so I could make something like that :P
That challenge lock, looks like a masterpiece.... great video.
A masterlock!
Oh wait...
A real piece of Art, agreed.
PLEASE READ:
Hi, I´m from Austria and have to tell you that here in south, particullary Carinthia we have lots of Winkhaus locks. They are a pain in the ass just because of that design. It is not new, it´s rather old. thats why you have to know each and every product, otherwise you try to pick a lock which is simply as good as unpickable. Up to a max. of 8 of those suckers (4 a side) in this system. Milling is the new picking here, 3mm mill, 25.000-28.000 rpm and lets go all through the keyway. But even that is not it, there are many tricks :-)
I love picking but the amount of pickable locks here on entrance doors or flats is about to 10-20% as far as i´m concerned and i´m working at the only locksmith in my surrounding, so my experience is pretty decent, 10 yrs as a locksmith... :-(((
Check f.e. the Winkhaus RPE System, it´s common here, then you get the picture of what we face everyday, and more than that I think of it as crap, not very expensive but also not very reliable, yesterday I had one of these, core pulling protection shield mounted over it and that damn thing got so stuck, the key was like 40° turned and wouldnt turn a tenth of a millimeter to the right or left... only 1,5 yrs old... door locked twice... also an aditional lock - also locked and uses the same key which do not turn and therefore cant be pulled out, also locked twice - multiple bolts lock... THAT SUCKS!!! Bottom line i do not like Winkhaus at all and even wouldnt recommend it! I would go with nearly everything else!!!!
Keep up the good work man!! 💖💖💖
Chris
Reading your comment makes me glad I didn't go through the expense of trying to get a patent on this. I'd never seen this design here in the US, but it's so simple in concept I was sure I wasn't the first to come up with it. Even making this one example work as well as it did was a pain, I can't imagine scaling it up to real production volume.
Wow absolutely amazing from the craftsmanship, design & small details.
I hope this lock makes its way around to the different TH-cam channels. I wonder even knowing how it works if it could be picked. The details involved in the presentation, the pull tab on the tape for the key to the machining on the steel pins, very impressive. One well deserved paclock.
I reckon Mr Armstrong needs to get a patent on that style sidepin
He more than probably did.
This is America, after all.
Bit so many chinese ingeneers literally stalk these channels, and there's little to nothing you can do against that.
Problem with this is the manufacturing. Most mainstream lock companies have no interest in something this precise. It would make the lock so expensive to manufacture that it would price itself right out of the market. It's always a balance between cost to make and security.
Wow.... just.. the precision is incredible. Master work Scott A. and beautiful to look at.
That lock is a work of art. I hope it found its way onto somebody's Shelf. It Deserves to be on display.
Excellent workmanship all around on that lock Scott! Your side pin idea is rather genius. It blocks you from picking a high-cut pin if you don't move it out of the way and if you do move it, it blocks rotation of the core. Devious indeed...
John Just need a tiny pick going over the side pins to pick the corresponding pin stacks. May need unusual shape to avoid the low pins.
With a lock like this I would love to see a rematch!
Beautiful work on that lock, he truly deserve the reward.
Stunning skilled craftsmanship by Scott A.
Without a doubt its well worth a whipped by lock
Could really see this design being used as a high security door lock.
Cheers for sharing Bill✌😎🍻
Masters tradition is huge,no one complained about the quality and toughnes untill you tubers came.
Beautiful lock workmanship and an entertaining and informative video. Good work!
Everytime you said “hey Siri”, my Ipad closed youtube and Siri asked me what I wanted
Apple... not even once! 😹
Sometimes watching Netflix as well XD! They'll say something not even vaguely related to "ok google." Just tell her she fucked up she might humbly apologize. Just then skip that section of audio lol
Stop intercepting his Siri callouts! :p
Some impressive machining with really tight tolerances, Scott. It's always grand to see innovation that has simplicity at it's core.
I believe if i was Scott i would be getting a patent on these very fast . He could make some great money on the core of this lock. It is very Awesome ! ! ! It could make a big change in the would of locks as we know it. From Home to padlocks.. Bill i don't know how you feel but i would try to give Scott so advice on get this patented asap.
I agree
It's too expensive for mass adoption, that is a piece of art machining and way too much for the mass market
@@newdeathscope Well there are situations where you'd want to give quite some money for safety. And on corporate scale this thing could be a real treasure of a lock.
He probably already did it anyway.
@@ChristmasLore Filing patents is expensive and time-consuming, and a design is only commercially valuable if it can be mass-produced.
That lock is nuts! Hats off to Scott for the beautiful machining and the magnetic covers were superb as well.
I'm amazed and full of admiration for guys like Scott Armstrong. What amazing engineering.
I love these longer videos Bill. Keep up the amazing work!
Bill, now that you know exactly what you're facing, I support you attempting to pick it again!
Bet he ends up CEO of Masterlock? They sure need him!
if they made scot the CEO of master lock I would be buying some stock
CEO? Why do you think that an excellent lock designer would be good at running a business?
@@beeble2003 Well, it's a good start when someone running the show understands the engineering.
@@beeble2003 exactly
@@beeble2003 Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, Elon Musk, Ken Olsen, shall I go on?
That is a great design and very well crafted!
Beautifully made! Very elegant and the attention to detail is amazing! A joy to watch!
Amazing innovation. Probably the only true unpickable lock you have had in your videos. Very easy to incorporate into existing commercial lock cylinders but not cheap to do. Great video Bill.
Am I stupid Mysting up at the core coming out and the side pins fitting perfectly. I'm just blown away by the skill involved.
Wow! Scott is a Freakin genius lock maker and fabricator that we all should take lessons from and aspire to. 😲🍺✌🇦🇺
Everything from the blued steel to the machining ,like sculpture.
Absolutely fantastic work from Scott. I agree Bill, if manufacturers start doing this I will be crushed
Totally worth the time; such beautiful machining in this custom lock. Thanks so much for sharing this!
Those side pins are genius!
Chlorate But if the picker knows about them, the picker will also know the depth of the pins above them must be at max height. So this is really a 4 pin lock with an access restriction for the unprepared picker.
You could have for instance 3 side pins with different spring tensions, 2 needing to be left alone and 1 that the key needs to hold to the side. If the side pins were serrated they would be even more difficult
Well the point is if you pick them at all, (and you have to in order to reach the back pins) they over set. If you control the tolerances on the blocker pins well enough you could make it such that oversetting the blockers resets the core and prevents further binding.
I do think having all pins accompanied by side pins and hiding the true side blocking pins would be the solution. Could also vary the height of the side pin location so they don't always fall on the shortest key pin.
Ya uhh why arent holes in keys always used in this purpose o_o
Beautiful piece of work, Scott!
Amazing lock, could of watched this all day to understand it. I know you don't feel bad Mr.Bill. this lock was Awesome. Hope he Patten's this design. Can you say money money money. Excellent work
Damn. Tricky tricky! Beautiful work. You guys don't mess around. Your videos give me motivation. I am getting obsessed.
speaking as a hobby machinist, that thing is just gorgeous.
Great one! Im a hobby machinist and know that is some fine machine work! I wish he would make a video of the making of this lock. Just to see him machine them pins alone would be awesome.
Awesome work Scott Armstrong !
Amazing workmanship.
Great idea. Simple, elegant and totally effective.
Thinking of ways to keep the side pins in the key way and work around them.
Wow! Talk about craftsmanship, this is a gem
That was amazing. Amazing work on the lock, Scott!
I was imagining this very same type of lock the other day while Bill was trying to pick another (I think it had an extremely low pin in front). I glad to see that my thoughts were on the right track and somebody else with great skills was able think of it as well and to produce it. Bravo Scott, great idea, great machining too.
A masterpiece! Hats off.
Absolutely brilliant, I hope the guys and gals at Master Lock are paying attention!
Took me just a few seconds after seeing that key to understand how evil this lock is. :D That's very clever design indeed!
What a gorgeous piece of machining. I really want to try that lock.
So I watched bill for years but never really got into locksport until last year. I guess I never realized how hard some of the locks are that Bill picks. I have a hard time picking mushroom pins and spools but for some reason spools are easier for me. I can only imagine how hard it is to pick some of the custom double spool serrated pins and what not.
Wow...just...wow! Amazing lock!
That lock is truly a work of art. That is insane. :)
I'd love to see a video documenting the making of this beauty. Also a video of the maker watching this - I imagine his joy would be something to see.
What a beautiful lock. Great design. I love locks that are purely for lock sport.
Even Art can Function...what a nice lock.. i love the key
Such a simple and elegant design. Scott made an interactive keyway.
I just have to post. This is absolutely beautiful and such amazing craftsmanship
Brilliant use of design features in that lock. Thanks for sharing !
I would love to see LPL try to pick and gut the lock, always seems to make it look easy
Charles Balliet you forgot to add “no offense BB”
Absolutely brilliant!
Also, Bill, I still think you need to fiddle with your audio filter and/or noise gate. Words like "Sparrows" get turned into "-parrows".
Wow! That's a masterpiece! Such beautiful work!
Even the key is cool looking. Does Scott have a video of him making this? Would love to see that.
Amazing craftmanship 👍🤩 and presentation from Scott :). Really a masterpiece, the sidepins are develish ;D. Very well earned a whipped 👍😊 :). 😊🦊👋
What a gorgeous lock Scott. Cheers Bill 🍻
Locksport at its finest!
Gorgeous machining and ingenious design.
Absolutely gorgeous workmanship
Bill, I love seeing locks you have trouble getting into. Especially ones without permanent traps. While you're trying to get in, I'm trying to design locks to keep you out.
This is awesome. So now you know how it works have you managed to pick this lock? Do a video?
Mind blowing craftsmanship.
Scott Armstrong what an effort! Lock picking community is full of talent and creativity. The more I learn the less I know ):
A great vid. Thank you Bill , for all that effort , is all I can say really.
Scott is the craftsman we all wish we were.
That is such a beautiful and impressive lock design!
I am glad my phone is not the only one you set off. Picking phones as well.. good work.
Very nice job making this lock.
beautiful craftsmanship absolutely amaxing
This is a really good design - high precision and no floppy cylinder makes this one stand out.
Two very skilled people. Great vid!
Wow what a beautiful lock great job Bill nothing to feel bad about with that lock its a master piece
What a great design with security built into a lock, there will be a time maybe soon we all may need locks that people can not pick.
my goodness.. the skill and craftsmanship put into that cube was simply amazing. Scott Armstrong, Respect man! and for my main man Bill, keep up the great work! love the videos and enjoy playing with my pick's and practice locks... tho you could have given me a year and the key and i wouldn't have gotten into that cube lol
Beautiful piece of Machining , time for some New Picks Bill . I really like the "FOREVER LOCK" on youtube !
That’s the guy I’d want making locks for my equipment.
Just damn. This guy does phenomenal work. And as always Bill, fantastic content.
That is simply amazing. Genius.