I don't this approach to eating will never work for me. I have hyperinsulinemia/ metabolic resistance and I'm currently trying to stay as close to no carbs as possible. BUT, Hava principles work very well for my husband! His work keeps him physically active all day, too!
To me the app is based on the concept of Volumetrics by Barabara Rolls. She wrote a series of books--in the 90s I think. I believe she is a Ph.D. It was a big thing back in the day. Pics of huge elaborate meals side by side w junky food, & the huge meal would be less calories! The greater the water content, the greater the satiety, & the lower the calories. Dont drink calories bc it won't induce satiety. That kind of thing....
Energy density is *one* of several important factors in our scoring. But just one. Protein is also important, as is hedonics. Fiber plays a small part too.
@DrAndreasEenfeldt Thank you. It may be that we eat a certain number of calories that is unconsciously determined by the brain before we even lift a fork if I understand Dr. Zach Knight correctly.... AGRP neurons did he say? Also, hedonic factor is highly subjective some argue. (Black beans properly prepared can have a high hedonic factor for some & not others, I imagine.
@DrAndreasEenfeldt hedonics is a made up number which HAVA manipulates via an algorithm with no scientific foundation. It's flawed from the outset. You've taken a wrong turn after Diet Doctor and Keto IMO.
Very informative and easy to understand. Thank you! I saw somewhere another advise about eating: eat whatever you want, but only eat what you cook yourself. Want a cookie? Go for it: make a dough by hand, form a cookie and bake it. Ideally ground the flour in a hand mill ;) too.
Agree with protein and fibre, you lose me with the scoring system. I don't see how you can score a processed ice cream better than natural foods like fish, nuts, olives etc. Seems flawed to me. Insulin model seems more plausible. Especially the way Ben Bikman explains it. It would've been great to see you guys take up Dr Ken Berry's invite.
I just checked my app. Ice cream gets a satiety score of 12. Fish 60+, Nuts 17+, Olives 27. Give the app a try for free for a few days and you’ll notice the difference that focussing on satiety per calorie makes.
The insulin model has more holes than a Swiss cheese. Trust me, I used to believe it. Even presented on it at conferences to defend it. But recent studies make it hard to stay a defender.
Nuts and olives are great, but due to the high fat content they should be eaten in moderation. When you say ice cream is "processed", why exactly is that bad? Almost every food is processed in some way, and unfortunately a lot of people unnecessarily become chemophobic just because they see a food label with long words, so they think it must be bad. "Oh! this food contains dihydrogen monoxide, it must be toxic!" I believed in the carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity and I followed a low carb, high fat diet for several years, and I did lose some weight, but never quite enough. A few months ago, I cut my fat intake by 3/4 and moderately upped my carbs and I lost 15 pounds of fat in the last four months. The CICO model (calories in, calories out) model is for real and it works remarkably well. That's why professional bodybuilders are able to get stage-ready down to 7-8% bodyfat using the model, weighing all their foods and staying in a calorie deficit. It's really very simple, eat a diet that is high in protein, fairly low in fat, moderately high in carbs, and with some fiber. I do that and even enjoy my beer and continue to lose fat and keep my muscle with consistent resistance training, cardio and HIIT workouts, and walking at least 10,000 steps a day at 66 years of age. Easy peasey. Dr. Ken Berry's carnivore approach is certainly better that the standard American diet, but to me it's very limited, and the satiety per calorie approach with the HAVA app and P:E Diet allows much more flexibility and variety in food intake, therefore making it much easier to stick with the diet long term.
@@matthewelliott7333unfortunately, such is the case w any diet. Also, people of equal size vary in intake especially when you lose weight bc your body compensates. you have to eat less at a recovered weight than before to maintain it. It's a dog fight that the great majority lose. All the info. Is not in folks. Don't be fooled..m (Tho I would argue folks maintain weight differently regardless of intake.)
Yep, Norowictz decimated the app. Luv to see a debate, though Naiman should be behind closed doors at all times bc he is offensive & completely unaware of how disdainful he is. Einfeld teamed up w the wrong guy. Too bad.
There will always be critics of anything new and innovative. I'd be happy to do a real debate with Nick. I don't think his arguments hold in this matter, though he's a good talker.
@@DrAndreasEenfeldt Bring it! Perhaps it will be productive. You've done a lot of good in the world already, doctor. Thank you. I have to say, beyond Taubes, Dr. Zach Knight on Huberman gave the most compelling information on obesity that I've heard. Said rodent brains pretty much calculate calories before they begin to eat. I believe it is neuroscience where the real science & answers will come. Unfortunately, likely not in my lifetime. All the best to you. I hope the debate does happen.
@@heatherharris72 Okay, reframe for me in a less offensive way. I can edit. There's just something judgemental & holier than thou about him when he speaks. Even his comment about Dr. Gabriela Lyons physique was off the mark. You can't say the guy has any charisma like the rest of these guys. Even Bickman does better & will crack a joke or be self- deprecating now & then. If Andreas thinks he can sell this w Naiman up front.....well best luck. 🤞
Despite how you perceive Dr. Naiman, you should read his book, The P:E Diet. It's brilliant. Try to have an open mind and resist clinging to dogma and tribalism. You will learn you can lose weight by being low carb, high fat; or high carb, low fat; or carnivore; or vegan. With either diet, it's all about focusing on keeping protein high, and resisting eating hedonic food that are combinations of fats and carbs. Satiety per calorie. It's pretty simple, so simple all the animals in the wild do it quite easily without even following their favorite health guru on Instagram.
Congrats on the app, looks promising
I don't this approach to eating will never work for me. I have hyperinsulinemia/ metabolic resistance and I'm currently trying to stay as close to no carbs as possible.
BUT, Hava principles work very well for my husband! His work keeps him physically active all day, too!
Go very low carb until you're metabolically healthy, then you can switch to HAVA.
@@fourcubed47 I'm trying!
To me the app is based on the concept of Volumetrics by Barabara Rolls. She wrote a series of books--in the 90s I think. I believe she is a Ph.D. It was a big thing back in the day. Pics of huge elaborate meals side by side w junky food, & the huge meal would be less calories! The greater the water content, the greater the satiety, & the lower the calories. Dont drink calories bc it won't induce satiety. That kind of thing....
Energy density is *one* of several important factors in our scoring. But just one. Protein is also important, as is hedonics. Fiber plays a small part too.
@DrAndreasEenfeldt Thank you. It may be that we eat a certain number of calories that is unconsciously determined by the brain before we even lift a fork if I understand Dr. Zach Knight correctly.... AGRP neurons did he say? Also, hedonic factor is highly subjective some argue. (Black beans properly prepared can have a high hedonic factor for some & not others, I imagine.
@DrAndreasEenfeldt hedonics is a made up number which HAVA manipulates via an algorithm with no scientific foundation. It's flawed from the outset. You've taken a wrong turn after Diet Doctor and Keto IMO.
Very informative and easy to understand. Thank you!
I saw somewhere another advise about eating: eat whatever you want, but only eat what you cook yourself. Want a cookie? Go for it: make a dough by hand, form a cookie and bake it. Ideally ground the flour in a hand mill ;) too.
Agree with protein and fibre, you lose me with the scoring system. I don't see how you can score a processed ice cream better than natural foods like fish, nuts, olives etc. Seems flawed to me. Insulin model seems more plausible. Especially the way Ben Bikman explains it. It would've been great to see you guys take up Dr Ken Berry's invite.
I just checked my app. Ice cream gets a satiety score of 12. Fish 60+, Nuts 17+, Olives 27. Give the app a try for free for a few days and you’ll notice the difference that focussing on satiety per calorie makes.
The insulin model has more holes than a Swiss cheese.
Trust me, I used to believe it. Even presented on it at conferences to defend it. But recent studies make it hard to stay a defender.
Nuts and olives are great, but due to the high fat content they should be eaten in moderation. When you say ice cream is "processed", why exactly is that bad? Almost every food is processed in some way, and unfortunately a lot of people unnecessarily become chemophobic just because they see a food label with long words, so they think it must be bad. "Oh! this food contains dihydrogen monoxide, it must be toxic!" I believed in the carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity and I followed a low carb, high fat diet for several years, and I did lose some weight, but never quite enough. A few months ago, I cut my fat intake by 3/4 and moderately upped my carbs and I lost 15 pounds of fat in the last four months. The CICO model (calories in, calories out) model is for real and it works remarkably well. That's why professional bodybuilders are able to get stage-ready down to 7-8% bodyfat using the model, weighing all their foods and staying in a calorie deficit. It's really very simple, eat a diet that is high in protein, fairly low in fat, moderately high in carbs, and with some fiber. I do that and even enjoy my beer and continue to lose fat and keep my muscle with consistent resistance training, cardio and HIIT workouts, and walking at least 10,000 steps a day at 66 years of age. Easy peasey. Dr. Ken Berry's carnivore approach is certainly better that the standard American diet, but to me it's very limited, and the satiety per calorie approach with the HAVA app and P:E Diet allows much more flexibility and variety in food intake, therefore making it much easier to stick with the diet long term.
@@fourcubed47anyone can lose weight, try and sustain calorie counting....Epic fail.
@@matthewelliott7333unfortunately, such is the case w any diet. Also, people of equal size vary in intake especially when you lose weight bc your body compensates. you have to eat less at a recovered weight than before to maintain it. It's a dog fight that the great majority lose. All the info. Is not in folks. Don't be fooled..m (Tho I would argue folks maintain weight differently regardless of intake.)
I should proofread! HAVA is not likely to be a plan that will ever work for me.
interesting
Yep, Norowictz decimated the app. Luv to see a debate, though Naiman should be behind closed doors at all times bc he is offensive & completely unaware of how disdainful he is. Einfeld teamed up w the wrong guy. Too bad.
There will always be critics of anything new and innovative.
I'd be happy to do a real debate with Nick. I don't think his arguments hold in this matter, though he's a good talker.
Wow, what a rude comment. You're not disdainful at all, just some constructive criticism.
@@DrAndreasEenfeldt Bring it! Perhaps it will be productive. You've done a lot of good in the world already, doctor. Thank you. I have to say, beyond Taubes, Dr. Zach Knight on Huberman gave the most compelling information on obesity that I've heard. Said rodent brains pretty much calculate calories before they begin to eat. I believe it is neuroscience where the real science & answers will come. Unfortunately, likely not in my lifetime. All the best to you. I hope the debate does happen.
@@heatherharris72 Okay, reframe for me in a less offensive way. I can edit. There's just something judgemental & holier than thou about him when he speaks. Even his comment about Dr. Gabriela Lyons physique was off the mark. You can't say the guy has any charisma like the rest of these guys. Even Bickman does better & will crack a joke or be self- deprecating now & then. If Andreas thinks he can sell this w Naiman up front.....well best luck. 🤞
Despite how you perceive Dr. Naiman, you should read his book, The P:E Diet. It's brilliant. Try to have an open mind and resist clinging to dogma and tribalism. You will learn you can lose weight by being low carb, high fat; or high carb, low fat; or carnivore; or vegan. With either diet, it's all about focusing on keeping protein high, and resisting eating hedonic food that are combinations of fats and carbs. Satiety per calorie. It's pretty simple, so simple all the animals in the wild do it quite easily without even following their favorite health guru on Instagram.