he can, Heaven Dio literally claps all the villains. He can literally rewrite reality and calamity is a force of nature/flow in the part 8 verse. Dio OH, can literally exist in different universes/outside the universes. @@ProjektTaku Also infinite/long time stop. He can instantly freeze it and tap tooru/WOU.
I loved how Funny Valentine tried to stop DIO just to save America. The game "Eyes of Heaven" did a phenomenal job with Valentine, giving him a pretty good "redemption" arc. It's really cool that the best american president got some justice after being humiliated by a crippled youngster and a teenager girl who seduced his wife 😅
it isn’t an unlimited amount but every time he has used time stop it has increased in duration hell that was already happening in dio vs jotaro going from 7 seconds to 9 seconds in a single fight. but instead of one fight it is over a significantly longer period of time, anywhere from a few minutes to several days
"Eyes of Heaven" is probably the most epic game I have seen in my life. Watching the main characters from all parts interacting with each other is god-tier fanservice. Also, the end makes you cry like a true man 😢
HADIO can still fight them depending if it’s his past self. Valentine explains in-game that Youngseph and Oldseph didn’t disperse since they’re from different eras rather than Dimensions.
@@KeisezrgsI didn't play Eyes of Heaven but isn't Dio over heaven from a universe where he won. This means that he is different from the other Dios, but his ability is broken so even then that probably wouldn't work.
@@Rioruk-cz2tkyeh, but what the commenter stated that if dio where to fight his past self from the same universe (where he becomes Ascension) then those universe rule will be negated
@@Rioruk-cz2tk I think the difference between dimensions and eras is that Dio part 1 vs DIO part 3 won't disperse because they are canon to each other's progression, but DIO OH is different in that he won against Jotaro while DIO part 3 did not, and given how fate works, I'd say that also plays a part in differentiating an alternate version and a past/future self
Johnny: Use all of Tusk's power. DIO: "Ha! How ticklish, cowboy!" Giorno: Employs the power of Golden Requiem DIO: "And you are my son?!" Jotaro: Punch DIO: "AY"
Remember when DIO was at first just an annoying brat who wanted the Joestar fortune? How things change, right? Anyway, I love the fact DIO Over Heaven uses the Joestar mansion as his headquarters, the place where the Brando-Joestar rivalry began. IIt all came into full circle
DIO: "I never thought that I, DIO, would achieve such an amount of power... much less that I would have the pleasure of killing not one, but eight JoJos" Jonathan: "I think it's time to use our last trump card" Joseph: "You said it!" Jotaro: "Yare Yare Daze..." Josuke: "What are we waiting for?!" Giorno: "I'm sorry, dad. But we have no other options" Jolyne: "Do we really have no choice?!" Johnny: "I think this situation leaves me at a disadvantage..." Gappy: "I don't even know why this blonde guy wants to kill me...but let's do it!" DIO: "And what do you think you're going to...?" All JoJos: "NIGERUNDAYO" *Run away in different directions*
I think he can easily be killed if it's an instant death since all he can do is reverse damage by touching the damaged part of the body. If he was struck in the head fatally I'd say he just dies. His greatest weakness is the d4c ability, same as in the game. Since he doesn't know how this works, it's easier to trick him with that. I liked it in the game that the reason he lost wasn't just "oh jotaro wins his punches are stronger", he looses mostly thanks to the valentine's advice
the healing is likely recovery rather than reversing damage because it uses reality overwriting, basically josuke’s distortion doesn’t affect HA dio the same way it affects normal characters that have regen
You gotta remember, all non-living things move at immeasurable speeds when MIH is active. So if MIH is active and WOU's calamity is pursuing Heaven Ascension DIO then all of the objects that are being flung at him would possibly move too fast for him to react.
When you said MIH and all non-living things move at immeasurable speeds, were you: 1. Making a hyperbolic statement. 2. Claiming that MIH has speed that cannot be estimated. 3. Referring to “Immeasurable Speed,” the speed tier. Also it takes time for him to even reach that state. DIO would’ve stopped time way before Pucci would gain the speed needed to blitz him.
@@ultimate_capper3643 MiH accelerates speed at a fast enough rate to fast forward to the end of the universe, resetting it, and willingly stopping it at the point Jotaro was meeting Jolyne in prison. Immeasurable isn't an exaggeration. For better context, time was moving so fast that the Sun orbiting Earth (yes, I know it's the other way around) appeared as a ring around the planet.
@@ultimate_capper3643 Then you wouldn't be asking the question in the first place. Nevermind that I answered at the end of the first paragraph. If MiH can accelerate the universe to its end, then keep going up to a point that wasn't too long ago, immeasurable speed isn't an exaggeration.
@@espurrseyes42 Hmm. I think you don’t understand what I meant, but just to be sure, I shall ask you this question. Do you know what I was referring to when I said “immeasurable speed?” Choose one of 3 options from my first comment.
You and @METAsMETAs should do Light Novel Kars (Jorge Joestar) vs Heaven Ascension DIO. You guys could also have them team up after and see how far they get in some other verses.
Regarding Valentine versus DIO Over Heaven (or DIO Gone to Heaven for them localized people out there), collision would unironically be what contributes to DIO's downfall. It was stated before in Eyes of Heaven that DIO needs his fists in order to trigger his powers to begin with, and at the ending of the game, the original DIO's bracelets end up colliding with heaven DIO's bracelets, which not only erases DIO's fists, but it turns him into a sitting duck who can't do anything about it, and ends up humiliated by Jotaro in a beat down that kills him afterwards thanks to being unable to overwrite reality. If Valentine knew about the bracelets earlier in Eyes of Heaven, he could have straight up defeated DIO before everything went to shit in the final chapter. So, in other words, Valentine realistically can win if he can eliminate DIO's fists first, which is already possible since DIO Over Heaven isn't immune to part 7's collision logic.
Though we see the Valentine vs DIO matchup in Eyes of Heaven. I doubt Valentine knows about the fist rule and if he tried pulling out a full DIO, that's it, it's done for Valentine (That's if Valentine can even reach the main timeline).
This is an easy clap, really and here's why. The Wonder of U. The worse possibly calamity that could happen to Dio is throwing Jotaro at him mid pursuit. Once that happens, he's easy eats.
Half way in, a few things to note With the Wonder of U, Calamity isn’t just things flying at you. It’s things getting fucked up. I.e if an attempt was made in timestop (due to timestop being a logical ability, it follows logic) then the attacker could either miss due to calamity or be attacked by surroundings regardless. For Funny Valentine, he doesn’t have a chance if he is not able to pull off the “Destroy DIO with clone” thing. Pucci Made in Heaven, if playing it smart, could definitely beat DIO over heaven. As long as he plays it safe and stays outside of close range he’d win. Diavolo, I think you underestimate. He could put up a fight, and has a much higher chance of winning than you give him credit for. Despite that he’d probably lose due to having to get close.
Dio stops time, approaches WoU, but suddenly he trips and falls down, destroying both of his hands, making him unable to overwrite reality anymore. Then dio runs towards WoU and kicks him in the head but he kicks too hard, misses WoU and instead hits himself in the head killing him instantly. Calamity is not limited by time stop whatsoever and can easily kill someone during a time stop.
@@reuv8441 It depends on WOU's limits. If the stand can't kill Josuke quick enough for him to release Go Beyond, I doubt it could be quick enough to kill DIO. Plus there's the whole thing of what calamity does, if it functions the same in time stop (Or works at all) or if calamity can do specific misfortunes. Like does misfortune *know* how to disable DIO?. Plus the whole thing with GER. If DIO can defeat the passive stand GOLD EXPERIENCE REQUIEM and its invincible ability, despite it being passive like WOU, then its clear he can also do that with Tooru
Against gappy it was only becouse he was pursued by multible poeple at once but dio is alone a single target so the fight wonder of u is for @@SomeEpicDoge
I mean, DIO having unlimited time stop alone means that, the moment he wants too, he can just win the fight there. Even against Jotaro in part 3, he eventually realized he needs to kill Jotaro as soon as possible and play it safe. Even going to decapitate Jotaro when Jotaro stopped his own heartbeat to try to fool DIO. So even DIO's ego has limits.
I think you underestimated WOU in this video. Since Tusk Act 4 could move in stop time and WOU scales above Tusk I believe calamity is still activate in stopped time. Since we see calamity affect people like Josuke and Joshu subconsciously I believe WOU wins by just summoning Jotaro. Awesome video!
1. WoU never fought TA4. If you’re going to claim that Johnny died due to WoU, that is nothing but a fan theory and it’s shown that it’s another stand that killed Johnny. 2. Tusk Act 4 could barely move in stopped time. He could only twitch. Infinite rotation couldn’t change its distance during stopped time, so neither can calamity, assuming WoU does scale to TA4. Also Tusk literally lost to Diego. By this logic TW (AU) = WoU lol. 3. TWOH literally nullified infinite rotation by punching it. He also saved Valentine from Infinite rotations with relative ease as well. Scaling above TA4 (even though WoU doesn’t) doesn’t necessarily make WoU stronger than TWOH. By this logic Captain Ginyu is as strong as current Goku because both scale above Nappa. 4. WoU has never done anything beyond increasing the chance of things impacting its pursuers + increase the damage inflicted to its pursuers. All in all, stop wanking WoU. TWOH soloes, and MiH has a better chance at winning.
@@ultimate_capper3643 not really sure that MiH can beat that dio, because of the infinite TS, if MiH somehow chops both of his hands he could just instantly TS and regenerate his hands because of boosted vampiric powers
@@bonniethebunny3971 I never said that MiH has a good chance at beating OH DIO, I’m saying that he has a higher chance at doing so than WoU because he could speed blitz DIO. And no, OH DIO doesn’t have infinite time stop, that is nothing but a baseless unconfirmed fan rumor. He can stop time but we don’t know how long he can do it for. Also I’m pretty sure it took a while (enough for Jotaro to whoop uis a**) to regenerate his hands (which had turned black), so it’d take longer to completely regenerate new hands. Unless OH DIO has like a minute of time stop or SMTH, then, Pucci could win.
@@ultimate_capper3643MIH does not have a better chance then WOU, the reason for WOU being able to even " fight " is because of the random bullshit it threw around. MIH being straight forward blitz wouldn't be useful if Dio just stopped time. Jotaro himself could've done this had he not had to deal with other people in the fight like jolyne. Also this is pucci, he'll get on his knees to receive over heaven. And with tusk, although he budged it can't move since Johnny isn't conscious in stopped time, but the rotation specifically is beyond gravity , so that's why tusk can move but without Johnny commanding it like how Jotaro would command star platinum, it's ineffective. And Diego only" won" that fight because he activated the big Brian and threw his leg at Johnny, very smart play. But he knew to stay TF away from tusk after that first encounter.
I do think you are underestimating Wonder of U, the flow of calamity is the flow of logic, dio over heaven still follows logic, even in time stop dio could run into something.
Ngl it's debatable, KC can manipulate fate but still lose to time stop. It's just kinda how some abilities work that leaves then weak to time stop even when they shouldn't, sometimes.
@@chestertamayo1894 still wouldn't do jackshit to a flying immortal vampire who can stop time and Rewrite reality And is As Powerful As the strongest stands physically.
@@PalewhaleN7 say that when the hands required to initiate rewrite is destroyed, time stop ends, and the entire jojo multiverse focuses on destroying DIO if he tries to pursue WoU further. This also assumes he does use time stop against a random opponent off the bat without just rushing and overwriting whatever tries to hit him.
I think an argument for WOU is, that HA DIO would have to either punch the WOU, or actually understand calamity to nullify it and that even in stop time calamity could work, like maybe make air particles lethal to touch, so just trying to punch it with TWOH will destroy it. But Idk I haven't finished reading part 8, nor I've played the "Eyes of Haven" game, so if I'm totally wrong, tell me pls.
Oh no wou is on a higher plane of existence as he controls logic which is on a higher scale to reality like something out of logic is the only thing that killed wou so wou negs tbh
Has anyone considered Bites The Dust? All of them presumably know each other’s abilities, so Kira could just ask Kars to make a mask for him, and them give him Bites The Dust. Every time they lose, Kira just removes the mask and says his name. BTD then activates and the day resets. AND KARS REMEMBERS. So you have a guy with 400 IQ with an infinite amount of time to plan. And everyone else knows this as well, so they can fight with the intent to get HA Dio to reveal his abilities. The only issue is if the team knowing about Kira counts for BTD, but ‘abilities’ and ‘identity’ can be separate. Then just use any win from the video and HA Dio is beat.
One on One? Very likely Dio OH win except for Toru. Calamity is even more overpowered… because it's not just stuff flying at you. It's the universe and narrative of reality trying to kill you. All together? There’s only so much a touch-based reality warp can do. Over heaven loses. Incredibly hard.
nah thats wrong. WoU is manipulation of calamity, a single rule and logic of the universe, TWOH rewrites the universe itself, altogether. the fact that it's touch-required is the only thing keeping Tooru from being clapped, but he still looses nevertheless
@@MysticPlasma that's true I haven't thought about that actually so against toru it's a 50/50 on who dies first and if the goal is to kill WoU itself then yeah WoU always wins
*Fun fact:* In the novel "Over Heaven", it is implied at the end that Dio, after taking Jonathan's body and falling unconscious, was saved and put into the coffin by Erina, who, using her holy woman personality , allowed her husband's murderer to live, with the hope that, after waking up within 50 or 100 years, he would decide to regret his actions and live a noble life. The only thing DIO remembers from that is that, as he was put into the coffin, he heard the voice of his kind mother.
@@SuperDababy2 Keep in mind that, as I said, Erina was a holy woman, just like Dio's mother. The reason Jonathan loved her was precisely because of that. Erina was simply too good to let someone die, even if that person was Dio. She was fully convinced even the worst person could be reformed
People dont understand “indescribable” doesnt mean infinite it just means dio has no clue how long he can stop it for, as he said himself it only feels like 5 seconds to him but there really is no way to tell any time passing
I have a question. How would a hypothetical battle between Ghiaccio and Hol Horse would be? Yes Ghiaccio would've beaten Mista if Giorno wasn't there, but will he be able to defeat Hol Horse? My another question is Ghiaccio vs Stroheim. Can White Album Gently Weeps defend Ghiaccio against Stroheim's tummy gun?
Tummy Gun gets washed, Hol Horse gets blitzed. Hol Horse has no way of learning about the weakness of White Album. Mista was able to win because Sex Pistols could communicate this knowledge to him.
I think Stroheim will just straight up not function in that cold. Like his metallic parts are so cold to the point where they’re immobile. But knowing Stroheim he probably has measures and maneuvers that allow him to attack despite being incapacitated
We can assume if the bullet or whatever is getting thrown towards ghiacco is fast or strong enough, can penetrate gently weeps with no issue, since it freezes whatever gets close, but barrage punches or other quick moving attacks can do the job
I know this is controversial, but I personally think the way araki described w.o.u I think he wins, calamities basically another version of fate which in the game is dios weakness as he can’t escape the fate of jotaro kicking his ass, and wonder of u’s ability causes you choose to walk to you’re own fate, Araki described calamity as the strongest force in jojo with it’s only weakness being illogic, the only thing that’s immune to fate which dio seemingly is not.
Only argument i got is maaaayyyyybbbeee calamity being calamity makes it to where one of these best case scenarios play out just cuz it would destroy the pursuer, but i dont know if calamity would be able to put the other people themselves into place.
While I agree with the Reality Overwrite working on WoU and Heaven DIO winning, I still believe in Time Stop that calamity will affect you in some way. Something where you trip and fall on your face or back, breaking it in the process. Maybe you have a sudden heart attack or stroke or a brain aneurysm. Shit maybe Jonathan in his body gets a surge of strength to fight back against DIO to make him slip up. Even if time isn’t moving, I believe the flow of calamity still is. Might even happen before activating Time Stop as you have the intention of pursuing Tooru/WoU.
DIO can fly, or just repair himself. WoU has never shown the ability to do anything with calamity outside of increasing impact damage and the chances of impacts on its pursuers. To my knowledge, never has WoU ever gave heart attacks and whatnot to anyone in the series.
@ultimate_capper3643 The first two were mostly for anyone using time stop that's not DIO. My point is that calamity will find a way. Didn't know it was only collisions but they can also be self inflicted, like with Mitsuba cutting her hand when cutting food. Regardless, I think it would activate before Time Stop even happens. You're still intending on attacking him so it'll get you beforehand. And again, I still agree with Heaven DIO winning considering Reality Overwrite. Although I'm not sure how he'd be hitting WoU without stopping time which again would trigger pursuit.
@@sketchymofoThen why are you bothering to mention them on a TWOH vs (Canon) Jojo Main Antagonist video then? Even so, DIO has shown the ability to activate time stop incredibly quickly, and in quick succession. Canon DIO can repetitively stop time to bring Polnareff down the stairs/ stop the senator from escaping the car as well as stop time in the middle of Silver Chariot piercing his brain. His perception speed is incredibly, incredibly fast. Also, Reality Overwrite's activation requirements are incredibly weird. There are several times in EoH when Reality Overwrite activated without TWOH hitting the thing. For instance he can erase Valentine from existence without even touching him, he can teleport people, and can also affect the entire city of Cairo without using his fists. It seems that he requires his fists to be intact to activate RO, but doesn't actually need to hit its target to use it on said target. This could explain why GER was unable to use RTZ on TWOH, as TWOH just overwrote RTZ before RTZ kicked in, without needing to hit GER.
1- Pucci having jotaro's disc could allow him to move in the stopped time, so that's one possibility of them winning (assuming he kept the disc in that reality) 2- COuldn't calamity work during the stopped time? Maybe Dio would prepare his fists to erase someones existence on hit but would trip and mistakingly use his stand to hold him from falling, deleting him in the process lmao 3- Kira puts the bites the dust in pucci and have him reveal his identity, Dio wouldn't remember anything in the new cicle but pucci would, and could attack super fast as soon as he blows up, because he would be in pices and wouldn't be able to use his fists Ps: Feel free to debunk me and sorry for the bad english
Wouldn't WoU eventually adapt to Time Stop had have calamities prepared in advance? I feel like Time Stop would "gotcha" WoU the first couple times, but then it just overcomes the effect.
I was wondering is it possible DIO over heaven to make his powers work without the limitation of the fists, like upgrade himself or that is the only thing he can’t overwrite?
I mean he can, let’s say he takes a stone and overwrites reality so that whosoever touches the stone can change reality just by thinking it and he touches the stone and gains power to change reality just by thinking it.
Oh my god FINALLY someone actually understands how WoU/calamity works. People always say that WoU IS calamity and that because of that it can't be harmed or that it's omnipotent, etc. WoU is a STAND that manipulates a law of the jojo universe and NOT the law in and of itself. If time stops for the stand, then time stops for its ability as well. It's so annoying to see people giving it powers that it's literally never portrayed to have and acting like it would one shot you if you even looked at it.
Hear me out, I believe Wonder of U can win against Heaven Ascension Dio. Heaven Ascension Dio has to punch things to rewrite reality. If Heaven Ascension Dio tries to eliminate Wonder of U by punching them, that's pursuing them, and thus calamity would activate. Considering calamity intensifies massively to closer you get to Wonder of U or Tooru, it'd be nearly impossible for Heaven Ascension Dio to punch Tooru, and they'd be forced to play defence. Now, you might think "calamity doesn't work in time stop," but counterpoint, DIO in part 3 was able to punch a hole through Kakoine in time stop with his stand, and when Rai Mamezuku got really close to Wonder of U, Josuke's stand suddenly killed Rai Mamezuku, because stands can be manipulated by calamity, thus Calamity does exist during time stop in the form of Stands that can move in stopped time. If calamity didn't exist during stopped time, DIO wouldn't have been able to damage anybody with The World. Let's say Heaven Ascension Dio stops time and approaches Wonder of U to punch them, as they do so, they activate Wonder of U, and attempt to punch them, only for The World Over Heaven to pull back its arm to punch and delete Wonder of U from reality, only for Heaven Ascension Dio to accidentally stand too close and get hit in the face by The World Over Heaven's elbow, and end up deleting them self from reality.
WoU doesn’t NEED to hit stuff to affect them with reality overwrite. For instance, he can teleport his underlings and can also affect the city of Cairo without using his fists. This explains how he can nullify GER despite GER’s entire shtick being (you never did this thing).
It’s hard for me to think of a scenario where Pucci fights any Dio instead of jointing him…unless him having P1 and P3 Dio as allies is more attractive than Heaven Dio. Like, if Pucci had to chose, which of the three Dio’s would he prioritize?
Devalo might be able to see the future to be able to see how his power works. (But this is just a theory and it would also depend on how time skip and time freeze works agents each other.)
I doubt diavolo can see what happens in time freeze since technically there's no time in there, he'd just see the instant aftereffects like everyone else.
pucci still has whitesnake and c-moon's abilities, apparently, so if dio didn't react fast enough, pucci could take his stand using whitesnake's disc ability and mih's sheer speed.
I think the problem is if HA Dio were to fight WOU he wouldn’t be able to touch him because the point of WOU is that he is a concept and a fundamental law of the multiverse which is infinite in Jojo and sense he has high godly regeneration because when he was killed originally by go beyond he just came back and sense he’s a law of the universe dio would need to remove the entire concept of logic or calamity from all realities/universes which is infinite and dio just doesn’t have the range for that he needs to get close to even do anything I also presume that sense wonder of u is a concept and a force of the universe he is immune to time stop or at least can resist it because time is apart of logic it’s a logical part of the universe so wonder of u goes from base universal which I think dio just might be able to do something about but true form which is like multiverse he wouldn’t be able to kill I mean we’ve seen calamity do some outrageous things to protect wonder of u and we still don’t know how far it can go besides a fully charged go beyond shot and even then it was still protecting wonder of u to some extent dio doesn’t have the power to remove entire concepts from universes let alone a infinite multiverse yes you could say he could just remove logic from wonder of u but that would only be a temporary solution because wonder of u would just come back in a different form or from a different universe
Hold on, The eight together can still win with a pretty high chance, I'm sure you are aware but HADIO lost in the game because Jotaro hit his hands with the bangles from part 3 DIO which would mean part 3 dio goes in and potentially does the same on accident die to it being his hands and they all jump him.
I would argue that the idea of calamity itself is a universal property of any world ever, regardless of stopped time. Even in stooped time, a calamity could take form in a heart attack or a fatal disease. Basically what Im6trying to say is that calamity itself is just the idea that an unfortunate event happening on someone, regardless of where or when you are, it will happen to you as long as time is passing for you
One extra ability on HA DIO: He is still a vampire. Even If one of billion chances Pucci sever DIO’s hands, he can pick his arms (somehow like with his veins) and reattach them back. And i’ll go even beyond here, If his arms are destroyed beyond repairs, he would sever someone’s elses arms and reattach them, like ACDC did with his fight with Joseph. (You could say that pillarmen own thing, and dio can’t do that, then i’ll say DIO was experimental at his early vampire years. He could’ve learn how to do it). So winning with antagonist team, is near impossible
i think if all the villains except kars went in and kars just watched, and then once he figures it out since hes got 5 morbillion iq and stuff he'd have a good 1/6 Chance to win
If we look at Jorge Joestar, Kars would body HA Dio in every sense of the word. Then again, Jorge Joestar should almost never be considered in terms of power-scaling.
@projekttaku1 Arkai confirmed it was and did over heaven still gone by logic and so dose timestop and calamity also scales to person and you could try to say over heaven dio can overwrite but this where your wrong because he was still affected by a calamity that was in the form of jotaro
Okay hear me out Pucci speeds up time and uses Whitesnake’s disk ability to remove TWOH and I mean he might still be able to manipulate reality but without time stop DIO, Dio or Kars would be able to kill him with a headshot seeing as they know that the only way to kill a vampire outside of Hamon or the sun is by completely destroying the brain. The Dios could do that with laser eyes, Kars’ perfected Hamon or just by using timestop and punching a hole through his head. And if Heaven ascension DIO anticipates that and tries to stop Pucci we could just sacrifice DIO by having him act as a distraction.
Wou is bounded to a concept which isn't bounded to reality as its is own concept is bounded to fate as fate is what made Dio lose either way in eyes of heaven as wonder of u is it's own essential factor in logic that can't be removed without something beyond reality
Wou alone can do. People forget that calamities are bad things that happen to you, and Dio is nor immune much less can fight calamity, heaven ascended dio losing to jotaro is a calamity, if Heaven Ascended Dio can lose to a calamity, anything can happen, since Wou has full control over logic(actually just calamity itself), dio is not touching wou. Unless Dio somehow learns about the gobeyond and unlogical thingies, he is not even getting close to the sheer powerhouse that is wou. For example Dio stops time but then he trips and he breaks his hands. Dio throws a knife but then the knife misses and ricochets back to him. Dio suddenly smells that zaza and dies of aneurism(im jking on this one) But i mean, its almost hopeless. Calamity can make freaking leafs falling cut limbs.
White snake pucci would be op bro just puts him in an illusion or puts him to sleep he won’t even know till it’s too late while he’s sleeping pucci can take his stand 💀 imagine that
Thing is, that part, with Made in Heaven Pucci chopping off his hands wouldn't work cause DIo would have vampiric regeneration (most likely), but if Pucci or Wonder of U's Calamity turns the sun into a beam in the sky or just makes it day, then Dio takes the L unless Dio stops time right there and ends it, which he probably will
If someone can move during time stop than calamity can move during time stop, calamity might even give a bird a time stop stand just so it can fly into dio
For the “unable to team up due to ego” part, I honestly think NONE of the antagonists would want to fight against D:OH on a team. P1 Dio would be far too confident that he could take him alone. Kars, in his ultimate lifeform state, would do the same P3 Dio would have the same issues as P1 Dio Kira wouldn’t wanna fight unless his way of life were at stake Diavolo wouldn’t fight unless his identity were at stake… which wouldn’t matter because his identity would be revealed to his teammates, thus giving Diavolo reason to attempt to leave or even kill his own teammates. Pucci wouldn’t even want to fight any version of Dio, no matter if he were teamed up with two of them or not. Valentine wouldn’t fight unless his country or the corpse parts were at stake (and in this hypothetical scenario none of those is garunteed) Tooru wouldn’t fight to begin with, even if he technically agreed to team up. I mean, his stand doesn’t really “fight”, y’know? The only way to make these guys team up and fight with one another in-character is if D:OH said “fuck it, I’ll punch each and every one of you and then make you guys fight against me.” Which… is honestly plausible.
Funny Valentine says to Heavan Ascension Dio thathe can provide a far better opponent one that will really test Dio's powers and brings forth another Dio at which point Heaven Ascension Dio just smacks the other Dio aside saying you call this a challenge and then both Dios explode
honestly speaking i feel like if this situation were to happen, Part 1&3 Dios as well as pucci will probably just join TWOH DIO and it will be death times 4 for the other antagonist
I dont know about him defeating WOU so easily, because we have seen with moments like Pucci or Tusk Act 4 being able to move in stopped time that forces like gravity are still in effect during it, so probably other forces like Calamity should also be at work during it. And because Dio isnt trying to just pursue Tooru, he is trying to directly kill him and because Dio has had really abd karma, most probably an scenario like Dio stopping time and just tripping against his alternate world bracelets and losing his arms in the process (as it happened in the game). Also it is pretty plausible that because Calamity can influence other people's behaviour (like seen with Joshu) it could probably influence Funny Valentine to bring those bracelets as fast as possible. From that, he only has timestop, which while strong wouldnt be enough to wipe the entire team, not even Tooru alone
I don't want to nitpic but actually wrong about kars it's not just everything on earth but actually everything that is organic and alive on ever planet to
@@cyrus8886 I was not trying to do anything but I was just saying what I know himself says that he has become the ultimate life form above all other that includes not Earth
@@datboy038 yes bruh DNA came from earthly life It's literally a carbon based molecule DNA that only came from one planet would only contain the genetic history of the life of said planet
Here is my argument. You are correct. The Jojo villeins do not have the character required to win. If they did, then they become a Jojo party, supported by fate and acting as a force for Justice in the universe. Their best bet for surviving the info gathering faze is for Tooru , Valentine, and part three Deo, to use their powers to stall while Cars and Kira try and figure out how his power works. Both Wonder of U and D4C are good stands for stalling. Tooru's calamity can be used to hint at Over Heaven Deo's power while adding obstructions he has to take a moment to deal with, while Valentine can bring in replacements if someone dies, acting as a weird form of healer for the party. Part three Deo has to use his Time stop to prevent OH Deo from touching Valentine. He has the toughest job. Divolo can acts as a warning system for what OH Deo is planing with Epitaph, And Puchi acts as the ace in the hole, being able to strike before OH Deo can react. Part one Deo is useless. But you are right, OH Deo only looses if fate is against him. (Apologies for my pore spelling.)
Pucci is already a counter to time stop, since it was shown that the duration of jotaros time stop was percievely shorter in what it should be. Kira also only needs to land one touch or trick dio once to use the primary bomb ability and just delete him. Combining the acceleration of made in heaven and kira just throwing something could easily lead to a dead dio. Or simply have pucci carry kira and do a drive by touch. Or kira just uses kars as bait and when dio lays his hands on kars to stop his regeneration kira just offs them both.
How to beat over heaven dio with these guys in 6 easy steps 1. make diavolo look up their future to asses their chances of victory 2. make funny valentine jump to that particular dimention where they win 3. make kira yoshikage turn Kars into a bomb 4. DIO stops time and throws Kars into DIO OH 5. DIO over heaven doesn't even bother to block the attack to flex on the puny attack Kars and the team prepared for him 6. Kars comes in contact with DIO OH exploding instantly and completely erasing him WIN!
If Pucci saw DOH he wouldn't even fight him, let's be honest. He would get on his knees and probably offer his Over Heaven Stand to DIO
Pucci would be on his knees doing way more then that.
and his ass too ;)
Pucci would offer his help to Dio
@@Ostr0 yeah. What I said
He would get in his knees but to do something else.
Tbh, Part 1 Dio being defeated and humiliated by a superior version of himself would be a truly ironic and fitting fate for him. 😂😂😂
This would just play out exactly like Omni-Man VS The Guardians of The Globe.
Even worse, like Avengers vs infinity gauntlet Thanos
Not that hard. Toru solos, and FV and Diavolo probably survive.
@@goroakechi6126 Couldn't dio just rewrite WOU out of reality, or rewrite the calamities?
he can, Heaven Dio literally claps all the villains. He can literally rewrite reality and calamity is a force of nature/flow in the part 8 verse. Dio OH, can literally exist in different universes/outside the universes. @@ProjektTaku
Also infinite/long time stop. He can instantly freeze it and tap tooru/WOU.
@@ProjektTaku Highly doubt it. WoU exists on an entire layer of power above TWoH, as I interpret it.
I loved how Funny Valentine tried to stop DIO just to save America. The game "Eyes of Heaven" did a phenomenal job with Valentine, giving him a pretty good "redemption" arc. It's really cool that the best american president got some justice after being humiliated by a crippled youngster and a teenager girl who seduced his wife 😅
dont forget the crippled youngsters mentor: a goofy italian who goes “nyo-ho” and makes stupid jokes that nobody understands
@@NadirHussan-s4k
At least Valentine saw that italian guy bite the dust
Valentine: I'll save america from you
Dio: dude are you high?
Valentine: let me check, yes
Valentine: HIGH ON AMERICAN SPIRIT
@@miimiibeschde4818based
@@miimiibeschde4818max0r viewer detected
Bro went from 9 to an unlimited amount of seconds in just one arc 💀
it isn’t an unlimited amount but every time he has used time stop it has increased in duration hell that was already happening in dio vs jotaro going from 7 seconds to 9 seconds in a single fight. but instead of one fight it is over a significantly longer period of time, anywhere from a few minutes to several days
It’s implied it has no limit
"Eyes of Heaven" is probably the most epic game I have seen in my life. Watching the main characters from all parts interacting with each other is god-tier fanservice. Also, the end makes you cry like a true man 😢
Did you just forget about how Heaven DIO still has to deal with the parallel universe rule, he can't just fight the other Dios.
HADIO can still fight them depending if it’s his past self. Valentine explains in-game that Youngseph and Oldseph didn’t disperse since they’re from different eras rather than Dimensions.
@@KeisezrgsI didn't play Eyes of Heaven but isn't Dio over heaven from a universe where he won. This means that he is different from the other Dios, but his ability is broken so even then that probably wouldn't work.
@@Rioruk-cz2tkyeh, but what the commenter stated that if dio where to fight his past self from the same universe (where he becomes Ascension) then those universe rule will be negated
@@Rioruk-cz2tk I think the difference between dimensions and eras is that Dio part 1 vs DIO part 3 won't disperse because they are canon to each other's progression, but DIO OH is different in that he won against Jotaro while DIO part 3 did not, and given how fate works, I'd say that also plays a part in differentiating an alternate version and a past/future self
*rewrites reality to make him bypass the rules.* Its insane, right?
Johnny: Use all of Tusk's power.
DIO: "Ha! How ticklish, cowboy!"
Giorno: Employs the power of Golden Requiem
DIO: "And you are my son?!"
Jotaro: Punch
DIO: "AY"
Dio: I'm getting jumped **Gets turned into Ashes by Jotaro**
Remember when DIO was at first just an annoying brat who wanted the Joestar fortune? How things change, right? Anyway, I love the fact DIO Over Heaven uses the Joestar mansion as his headquarters, the place where the Brando-Joestar rivalry began. IIt all came into full circle
DIO: "I never thought that I, DIO, would achieve such an amount of power... much less that I would have the pleasure of killing not one, but eight JoJos"
Jonathan: "I think it's time to use our last trump card"
Joseph: "You said it!"
Jotaro: "Yare Yare Daze..."
Josuke: "What are we waiting for?!"
Giorno: "I'm sorry, dad. But we have no other options"
Jolyne: "Do we really have no choice?!"
Johnny: "I think this situation leaves me at a disadvantage..."
Gappy: "I don't even know why this blonde guy wants to kill me...but let's do it!"
DIO: "And what do you think you're going to...?"
All JoJos: "NIGERUNDAYO" *Run away in different directions*
Johnny:
@@thepanman674 Then Johnny rides his horse.
@@SoraDonaldGoofy99 Johnny rolls away
I thought you were about to have Jodio pull up, because you said “eight” Jojo’s
@@sakanamichan3714
Jodio is the 9th JoJo
All fun and games until Kars says “so that’s a stand, huh? I have one now. THE WORLD OVER HEAVEN ULTIMATE.”
I think he can easily be killed if it's an instant death since all he can do is reverse damage by touching the damaged part of the body. If he was struck in the head fatally I'd say he just dies.
His greatest weakness is the d4c ability, same as in the game. Since he doesn't know how this works, it's easier to trick him with that. I liked it in the game that the reason he lost wasn't just "oh jotaro wins his punches are stronger", he looses mostly thanks to the valentine's advice
the healing is likely recovery rather than reversing damage because it uses reality overwriting, basically josuke’s distortion doesn’t affect HA dio the same way it affects normal characters that have regen
The head won’t work like it did before
“I know I felt Star Platinum bash his skull in”
@@buggytheclown1533 Well if it was a stronger punch who knows
You gotta remember, all non-living things move at immeasurable speeds when MIH is active. So if MIH is active and WOU's calamity is pursuing Heaven Ascension DIO then all of the objects that are being flung at him would possibly move too fast for him to react.
When you said MIH and all non-living things move at immeasurable speeds, were you:
1. Making a hyperbolic statement.
2. Claiming that MIH has speed that cannot be estimated.
3. Referring to “Immeasurable Speed,” the speed tier.
Also it takes time for him to even reach that state. DIO would’ve stopped time way before Pucci would gain the speed needed to blitz him.
@@ultimate_capper3643
MiH accelerates speed at a fast enough rate to fast forward to the end of the universe, resetting it, and willingly stopping it at the point Jotaro was meeting Jolyne in prison. Immeasurable isn't an exaggeration.
For better context, time was moving so fast that the Sun orbiting Earth (yes, I know it's the other way around) appeared as a ring around the planet.
@@espurrseyes42 That… doesn’t answer my question. I know what MIH does.
@@ultimate_capper3643
Then you wouldn't be asking the question in the first place. Nevermind that I answered at the end of the first paragraph. If MiH can accelerate the universe to its end, then keep going up to a point that wasn't too long ago, immeasurable speed isn't an exaggeration.
@@espurrseyes42 Hmm. I think you don’t understand what I meant, but just to be sure, I shall ask you this question. Do you know what I was referring to when I said “immeasurable speed?” Choose one of 3 options from my first comment.
You and @METAsMETAs should do Light Novel Kars (Jorge Joestar) vs Heaven Ascension DIO. You guys could also have them team up after and see how far they get in some other verses.
Regarding Valentine versus DIO Over Heaven (or DIO Gone to Heaven for them localized people out there), collision would unironically be what contributes to DIO's downfall. It was stated before in Eyes of Heaven that DIO needs his fists in order to trigger his powers to begin with, and at the ending of the game, the original DIO's bracelets end up colliding with heaven DIO's bracelets, which not only erases DIO's fists, but it turns him into a sitting duck who can't do anything about it, and ends up humiliated by Jotaro in a beat down that kills him afterwards thanks to being unable to overwrite reality. If Valentine knew about the bracelets earlier in Eyes of Heaven, he could have straight up defeated DIO before everything went to shit in the final chapter. So, in other words, Valentine realistically can win if he can eliminate DIO's fists first, which is already possible since DIO Over Heaven isn't immune to part 7's collision logic.
Though we see the Valentine vs DIO matchup in Eyes of Heaven. I doubt Valentine knows about the fist rule and if he tried pulling out a full DIO, that's it, it's done for Valentine (That's if Valentine can even reach the main timeline).
TimeStop
This is an easy clap, really and here's why. The Wonder of U. The worse possibly calamity that could happen to Dio is throwing Jotaro at him mid pursuit. Once that happens, he's easy eats.
I think even in stopped time calamity can happen. Dip would trip and fall onto his head or something.
he cant trip since gravity is nonexistant or at least slowed in time stop, but that would be funny
Love how in game he just said "nah" to ger. Dude is built different.
HA DIO: Oh wow it's me. I'm gonna kill me.
P3 DIO: Oh well we have the same type of stand so actually I'm gonna kill me.
HA DIO: Oh. Okay.
Half way in, a few things to note
With the Wonder of U, Calamity isn’t just things flying at you. It’s things getting fucked up. I.e if an attempt was made in timestop (due to timestop being a logical ability, it follows logic) then the attacker could either miss due to calamity or be attacked by surroundings regardless.
For Funny Valentine, he doesn’t have a chance if he is not able to pull off the “Destroy DIO with clone” thing.
Pucci Made in Heaven, if playing it smart, could definitely beat DIO over heaven. As long as he plays it safe and stays outside of close range he’d win.
Diavolo, I think you underestimate. He could put up a fight, and has a much higher chance of winning than you give him credit for. Despite that he’d probably lose due to having to get close.
Dio stops time, approaches WoU, but suddenly he trips and falls down, destroying both of his hands, making him unable to overwrite reality anymore. Then dio runs towards WoU and kicks him in the head but he kicks too hard, misses WoU and instead hits himself in the head killing him instantly. Calamity is not limited by time stop whatsoever and can easily kill someone during a time stop.
@@roberteriksson1248 that’s what im saying
@@reuv8441 It depends on WOU's limits. If the stand can't kill Josuke quick enough for him to release Go Beyond, I doubt it could be quick enough to kill DIO.
Plus there's the whole thing of what calamity does, if it functions the same in time stop (Or works at all) or if calamity can do specific misfortunes. Like does misfortune *know* how to disable DIO?.
Plus the whole thing with GER. If DIO can defeat the passive stand GOLD EXPERIENCE REQUIEM and its invincible ability, despite it being passive like WOU, then its clear he can also do that with Tooru
Against gappy it was only becouse he was pursued by multible poeple at once but dio is alone a single target so the fight wonder of u is for @@SomeEpicDoge
@@SomeEpicDogebut WoU goes far beyond GER in scale, it is beyond D4C’s multi-universal presence.
Though yeah, DOH could probably do that.
The World Over Heaven is probably one of the most busted stands.
It literally is the most busted stand. The only stand that is more powerful than it is completely unreliable when using it.
@@ultimate_capper3643 cream is stronger than that weak stand
@@Nivvass Nah, survivor strongest stand 😡
@@ultimate_capper3643 crazy how survivor negs twoh
I mean Made In Heaven gets beat by a gun and The World and Over Heaven beats the gun
I mean, DIO having unlimited time stop alone means that, the moment he wants too, he can just win the fight there. Even against Jotaro in part 3, he eventually realized he needs to kill Jotaro as soon as possible and play it safe. Even going to decapitate Jotaro when Jotaro stopped his own heartbeat to try to fool DIO. So even DIO's ego has limits.
DOJYAAAAAANNNN
MY MIND AND ACTIONS ARE UTTERLY UNCLOUDED, THEY ARE THAT OF JUSTICE!
I think you underestimated WOU in this video. Since Tusk Act 4 could move in stop time and WOU scales above Tusk I believe calamity is still activate in stopped time. Since we see calamity affect people like Josuke and Joshu subconsciously I believe WOU wins by just summoning Jotaro. Awesome video!
1. WoU never fought TA4. If you’re going to claim that Johnny died due to WoU, that is nothing but a fan theory and it’s shown that it’s another stand that killed Johnny.
2. Tusk Act 4 could barely move in stopped time. He could only twitch. Infinite rotation couldn’t change its distance during stopped time, so neither can calamity, assuming WoU does scale to TA4. Also Tusk literally lost to Diego. By this logic TW (AU) = WoU lol.
3. TWOH literally nullified infinite rotation by punching it. He also saved Valentine from Infinite rotations with relative ease as well. Scaling above TA4 (even though WoU doesn’t) doesn’t necessarily make WoU stronger than TWOH. By this logic Captain Ginyu is as strong as current Goku because both scale above Nappa.
4. WoU has never done anything beyond increasing the chance of things impacting its pursuers + increase the damage inflicted to its pursuers.
All in all, stop wanking WoU. TWOH soloes, and MiH has a better chance at winning.
@@ultimate_capper3643 not really sure that MiH can beat that dio, because of the infinite TS, if MiH somehow chops both of his hands he could just instantly TS and regenerate his hands because of boosted vampiric powers
@@bonniethebunny3971 I never said that MiH has a good chance at beating OH DIO, I’m saying that he has a higher chance at doing so than WoU because he could speed blitz DIO. And no, OH DIO doesn’t have infinite time stop, that is nothing but a baseless unconfirmed fan rumor. He can stop time but we don’t know how long he can do it for. Also I’m pretty sure it took a while (enough for Jotaro to whoop uis a**) to regenerate his hands (which had turned black), so it’d take longer to completely regenerate new hands. Unless OH DIO has like a minute of time stop or SMTH, then, Pucci could win.
@@ultimate_capper3643MIH does not have a better chance then WOU, the reason for WOU being able to even
" fight " is because of the random bullshit it threw around. MIH being straight forward blitz wouldn't be useful if Dio just stopped time. Jotaro himself could've done this had he not had to deal with other people in the fight like jolyne. Also this is pucci, he'll get on his knees to receive over heaven. And with tusk, although he budged it can't move since Johnny isn't conscious in stopped time, but the rotation specifically is beyond gravity , so that's why tusk can move but without Johnny commanding it like how Jotaro would command star platinum, it's ineffective. And Diego only" won" that fight because he activated the big Brian and threw his leg at Johnny, very smart play. But he knew to stay TF away from tusk after that first encounter.
@@ultimate_capper3643the best one would be DIO himself fighting him. Only DIO, diavolo or Valentine can maneuver around the abilities.
We need Novel Kars vs Heaven Ascension DIO
Not even Close as its Novel Kars
I do think you are underestimating Wonder of U, the flow of calamity is the flow of logic, dio over heaven still follows logic, even in time stop dio could run into something.
Ngl it's debatable, KC can manipulate fate but still lose to time stop. It's just kinda how some abilities work that leaves then weak to time stop even when they shouldn't, sometimes.
Run into WHAT? Time stopping is literally a counter to Wou, nothing can move or harm you
@@PalewhaleN7people while chasing WoU collided with not moving chairs.
DIO can absolutely just trip and get splattered.
@@chestertamayo1894 still wouldn't do jackshit to a flying immortal vampire who can stop time and Rewrite reality And is As Powerful As the strongest stands physically.
@@PalewhaleN7 say that when the hands required to initiate rewrite is destroyed, time stop ends, and the entire jojo multiverse focuses on destroying DIO if he tries to pursue WoU further.
This also assumes he does use time stop against a random opponent off the bat without just rushing and overwriting whatever tries to hit him.
I would love to see comic or sprite animation where we see that 1 in 1 million chance of the main villains winning
I think an argument for WOU is, that HA DIO would have to either punch the WOU, or actually understand calamity to nullify it and that even in stop time calamity could work, like maybe make air particles lethal to touch, so just trying to punch it with TWOH will destroy it. But Idk I haven't finished reading part 8, nor I've played the "Eyes of Haven" game, so if I'm totally wrong, tell me pls.
Oh no wou is on a higher plane of existence as he controls logic which is on a higher scale to reality like something out of logic is the only thing that killed wou so wou negs tbh
Gonna boost this to help
I think that Wonder of U could act THROUGH the others, making them super effective and winning the fight.
Has anyone considered Bites The Dust? All of them presumably know each other’s abilities, so Kira could just ask Kars to make a mask for him, and them give him Bites The Dust. Every time they lose, Kira just removes the mask and says his name. BTD then activates and the day resets. AND KARS REMEMBERS. So you have a guy with 400 IQ with an infinite amount of time to plan. And everyone else knows this as well, so they can fight with the intent to get HA Dio to reveal his abilities. The only issue is if the team knowing about Kira counts for BTD, but ‘abilities’ and ‘identity’ can be separate. Then just use any win from the video and HA Dio is beat.
“So it’s the same type of Stand as my Star Platinum… Yare yare daze.”
One on One? Very likely Dio OH win except for Toru. Calamity is even more overpowered… because it's not just stuff flying at you. It's the universe and narrative of reality trying to kill you.
All together? There’s only so much a touch-based reality warp can do. Over heaven loses. Incredibly hard.
nah thats wrong. WoU is manipulation of calamity, a single rule and logic of the universe, TWOH rewrites the universe itself, altogether. the fact that it's touch-required is the only thing keeping Tooru from being clapped, but he still looses nevertheless
@@arkimist2186 the fact that it’s touch based prevents OH from doing anything to WOU
@@AmericanBrit9834 Dio can probably catch up. Time stop, knives, valentine-ass multiverse hopping
@@arkimist2186 Those all count as pursuit and thus trigger WOU
@@AmericanBrit9834 I’m saying dio could very well escape calamity
Antagonist: dies
Valentine: adios
I have a question. What happen if WoU faces off against D4C Love Train? Will it be a stalemate?
Wou would eventually win
Val has to come out to do anything
since Love Train redirects calamity, on the long term some of them would redirect on toru by pure chance and Valentine should logically win
@@cobaltsnake1661 what's val gonna do against a rogue wou after that
@@cyrus8886and if calamity kills Lucy then Love train stops working too
@@MysticPlasma that's true I haven't thought about that actually
so against toru it's a 50/50 on who dies first and if the goal is to kill WoU itself then yeah WoU always wins
this is, canonically, one of diavolos deaths
WAIT YEAH IT IS NO WAY
*Fun fact:* In the novel "Over Heaven", it is implied at the end that Dio, after taking Jonathan's body and falling unconscious, was saved and put into the coffin by Erina, who, using her holy woman personality , allowed her husband's murderer to live, with the hope that, after waking up within 50 or 100 years, he would decide to regret his actions and live a noble life. The only thing DIO remembers from that is that, as he was put into the coffin, he heard the voice of his kind mother.
That’s cute, but the novels aren’t canon, I think? I should reread them
@@HabitualThinker
They are not canot, but most of them (except the Jorge Joestar novel) perfectly fit in the continuity
Erina would NOT do that for someone who just killed her husband, ESPECIALLY NOT DIO.
@@SuperDababy2
Keep in mind that, as I said, Erina was a holy woman, just like Dio's mother. The reason Jonathan loved her was precisely because of that. Erina was simply too good to let someone die, even if that person was Dio. She was fully convinced even the worst person could be reformed
@@SuperDababy2 someone as evil as Dio can exist, so why not someone as good as Johnanthan?
meanwhile Jotaro be : "so it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum !?---"
People dont understand “indescribable” doesnt mean infinite it just means dio has no clue how long he can stop it for, as he said himself it only feels like 5 seconds to him but there really is no way to tell any time passing
I have a question. How would a hypothetical battle between Ghiaccio and Hol Horse would be? Yes Ghiaccio would've beaten Mista if Giorno wasn't there, but will he be able to defeat Hol Horse? My another question is Ghiaccio vs Stroheim. Can White Album Gently Weeps defend Ghiaccio against Stroheim's tummy gun?
I could imagine between hol horse and ghiaccio going just like
_deflect_
_bullet turn_
_deflect_
_bullet turn_
you get the idea
Tummy Gun gets washed, Hol Horse gets blitzed. Hol Horse has no way of learning about the weakness of White Album. Mista was able to win because Sex Pistols could communicate this knowledge to him.
@@aimrurtliterally the worlds most dangerous game of ping pong.
I think Stroheim will just straight up not function in that cold. Like his metallic parts are so cold to the point where they’re immobile. But knowing Stroheim he probably has measures and maneuvers that allow him to attack despite being incapacitated
We can assume if the bullet or whatever is getting thrown towards ghiacco is fast or strong enough, can penetrate gently weeps with no issue, since it freezes whatever gets close, but barrage punches or other quick moving attacks can do the job
I know this is controversial, but I personally think the way araki described w.o.u I think he wins, calamities basically another version of fate which in the game is dios weakness as he can’t escape the fate of jotaro kicking his ass, and wonder of u’s ability causes you choose to walk to you’re own fate, Araki described calamity as the strongest force in jojo with it’s only weakness being illogic, the only thing that’s immune to fate which dio seemingly is not.
Novel Kars vs Heaven Ascension Dio
Do not mention that name in this house.
Novel Kars wins
Novel Dio > novel Kars > oh Dio
And btw the only reason why s&w gb can hit tooru is because the attack dosent exist
Only argument i got is maaaayyyyybbbeee calamity being calamity makes it to where one of these best case scenarios play out just cuz it would destroy the pursuer, but i dont know if calamity would be able to put the other people themselves into place.
While I agree with the Reality Overwrite working on WoU and Heaven DIO winning, I still believe in Time Stop that calamity will affect you in some way. Something where you trip and fall on your face or back, breaking it in the process. Maybe you have a sudden heart attack or stroke or a brain aneurysm. Shit maybe Jonathan in his body gets a surge of strength to fight back against DIO to make him slip up. Even if time isn’t moving, I believe the flow of calamity still is. Might even happen before activating Time Stop as you have the intention of pursuing Tooru/WoU.
DIO can fly, or just repair himself. WoU has never shown the ability to do anything with calamity outside of increasing impact damage and the chances of impacts on its pursuers. To my knowledge, never has WoU ever gave heart attacks and whatnot to anyone in the series.
@ultimate_capper3643 The first two were mostly for anyone using time stop that's not DIO. My point is that calamity will find a way. Didn't know it was only collisions but they can also be self inflicted, like with Mitsuba cutting her hand when cutting food. Regardless, I think it would activate before Time Stop even happens. You're still intending on attacking him so it'll get you beforehand. And again, I still agree with Heaven DIO winning considering Reality Overwrite. Although I'm not sure how he'd be hitting WoU without stopping time which again would trigger pursuit.
@@sketchymofoThen why are you bothering to mention them on a TWOH vs (Canon) Jojo Main Antagonist video then?
Even so, DIO has shown the ability to activate time stop incredibly quickly, and in quick succession. Canon DIO can repetitively stop time to bring Polnareff down the stairs/ stop the senator from escaping the car as well as stop time in the middle of Silver Chariot piercing his brain. His perception speed is incredibly, incredibly fast.
Also, Reality Overwrite's activation requirements are incredibly weird. There are several times in EoH when Reality Overwrite activated without TWOH hitting the thing. For instance he can erase Valentine from existence without even touching him, he can teleport people, and can also affect the entire city of Cairo without using his fists. It seems that he requires his fists to be intact to activate RO, but doesn't actually need to hit its target to use it on said target. This could explain why GER was unable to use RTZ on TWOH, as TWOH just overwrote RTZ before RTZ kicked in, without needing to hit GER.
lol imagine if dio gets such bad luck that he accidentally uses his reality to make tooru immune to timestop 😂
1- Pucci having jotaro's disc could allow him to move in the stopped time, so that's one possibility of them winning (assuming he kept the disc in that reality)
2- COuldn't calamity work during the stopped time? Maybe Dio would prepare his fists to erase someones existence on hit but would trip and mistakingly use his stand to hold him from falling, deleting him in the process lmao
3- Kira puts the bites the dust in pucci and have him reveal his identity, Dio wouldn't remember anything in the new cicle but pucci would, and could attack super fast as soon as he blows up, because he would be in pices and wouldn't be able to use his fists
Ps: Feel free to debunk me and sorry for the bad english
Wouldn't WoU eventually adapt to Time Stop had have calamities prepared in advance? I feel like Time Stop would "gotcha" WoU the first couple times, but then it just overcomes the effect.
WoU doesn't control the calamities tho, they just happen automatically, so it can't really adapt to anything
@@cobaltsnake1661wdym he stated himself the events that will play fold and cause reality
I was wondering is it possible DIO over heaven to make his powers work without the limitation of the fists, like upgrade himself or that is the only thing he can’t overwrite?
Probs otherwise that'd be even more broken than it already is.
I mean he can, let’s say he takes a stone and overwrites reality so that whosoever touches the stone can change reality just by thinking it and he touches the stone and gains power to change reality just by thinking it.
Oh my god FINALLY someone actually understands how WoU/calamity works.
People always say that WoU IS calamity and that because of that it can't be harmed or that it's omnipotent, etc.
WoU is a STAND that manipulates a law of the jojo universe and NOT the law in and of itself. If time stops for the stand, then time stops for its ability as well.
It's so annoying to see people giving it powers that it's literally never portrayed to have and acting like it would one shot you if you even looked at it.
Except that Calmity is a force that transcends time, fate, and fortune. It's called the ultimate power for a reason.
It dose go beyond timestamp calamity can still happen in time stop
Hear me out, I believe Wonder of U can win against Heaven Ascension Dio.
Heaven Ascension Dio has to punch things to rewrite reality. If Heaven Ascension Dio tries to eliminate Wonder of U by punching them, that's pursuing them, and thus calamity would activate. Considering calamity intensifies massively to closer you get to Wonder of U or Tooru, it'd be nearly impossible for Heaven Ascension Dio to punch Tooru, and they'd be forced to play defence. Now, you might think "calamity doesn't work in time stop," but counterpoint, DIO in part 3 was able to punch a hole through Kakoine in time stop with his stand, and when Rai Mamezuku got really close to Wonder of U, Josuke's stand suddenly killed Rai Mamezuku, because stands can be manipulated by calamity, thus Calamity does exist during time stop in the form of Stands that can move in stopped time. If calamity didn't exist during stopped time, DIO wouldn't have been able to damage anybody with The World.
Let's say Heaven Ascension Dio stops time and approaches Wonder of U to punch them, as they do so, they activate Wonder of U, and attempt to punch them, only for The World Over Heaven to pull back its arm to punch and delete Wonder of U from reality, only for Heaven Ascension Dio to accidentally stand too close and get hit in the face by The World Over Heaven's elbow, and end up deleting them self from reality.
WoU doesn’t NEED to hit stuff to affect them with reality overwrite. For instance, he can teleport his underlings and can also affect the city of Cairo without using his fists. This explains how he can nullify GER despite GER’s entire shtick being (you never did this thing).
Technically Kars could adapt to his Over Heaven ability and probably just gain a stronger stand.
It’s hard for me to think of a scenario where Pucci fights any Dio instead of jointing him…unless him having P1 and P3 Dio as allies is more attractive than Heaven Dio. Like, if Pucci had to chose, which of the three Dio’s would he prioritize?
Devalo might be able to see the future to be able to see how his power works. (But this is just a theory and it would also depend on how time skip and time freeze works agents each other.)
I doubt diavolo can see what happens in time freeze since technically there's no time in there, he'd just see the instant aftereffects like everyone else.
@@ProjektTaku true but he could probably see the outcome. Then diavolo could erase that part of time including what happened in time freeze.
@@cloud_protogen okay but the effects still exist, except maybe he's immune to whatever rewriting DIO did during that erased time.
@@ProjektTaku that makes sense
Indeed,dio was always the heaven ascended
Dio died in EOH that proves he can die so calmity negs him
His ego technically killed him. He had plenty of ways to kill jotaro them. Especially if he prep stand buffs himself with reality overwrite
@@Ungrounded-jayyes but still hes mortal
@@bilz1594 true but still
pucci still has whitesnake and c-moon's abilities, apparently, so if dio didn't react fast enough, pucci could take his stand using whitesnake's disc ability and mih's sheer speed.
The only way the OH Dio is against Dio Him self, because yes. They can't touch each other. If they do touch each other... They fuse and die.
I think the problem is if HA Dio were to fight WOU he wouldn’t be able to touch him because the point of WOU is that he is a concept and a fundamental law of the multiverse which is infinite in Jojo and sense he has high godly regeneration because when he was killed originally by go beyond he just came back and sense he’s a law of the universe dio would need to remove the entire concept of logic or calamity from all realities/universes which is infinite and dio just doesn’t have the range for that he needs to get close to even do anything I also presume that sense wonder of u is a concept and a force of the universe he is immune to time stop or at least can resist it because time is apart of logic it’s a logical part of the universe so wonder of u goes from base universal which I think dio just might be able to do something about but true form which is like multiverse he wouldn’t be able to kill I mean we’ve seen calamity do some outrageous things to protect wonder of u and we still don’t know how far it can go besides a fully charged go beyond shot and even then it was still protecting wonder of u to some extent dio doesn’t have the power to remove entire concepts from universes let alone a infinite multiverse yes you could say he could just remove logic from wonder of u but that would only be a temporary solution because wonder of u would just come back in a different form or from a different universe
Valentine got clappped in the game by HA Dio lol
Hold on, The eight together can still win with a pretty high chance, I'm sure you are aware but HADIO lost in the game because Jotaro hit his hands with the bangles from part 3 DIO which would mean part 3 dio goes in and potentially does the same on accident die to it being his hands and they all jump him.
Puccii just needs to get a dio to touch him so funny valentines gets another dio then they do some paradoxical hand holding
I would argue that the idea of calamity itself is a universal property of any world ever, regardless of stopped time. Even in stooped time, a calamity could take form in a heart attack or a fatal disease. Basically what Im6trying to say is that calamity itself is just the idea that an unfortunate event happening on someone, regardless of where or when you are, it will happen to you as long as time is passing for you
One extra ability on HA DIO: He is still a vampire. Even If one of billion chances Pucci sever DIO’s hands, he can pick his arms (somehow like with his veins) and reattach them back.
And i’ll go even beyond here, If his arms are destroyed beyond repairs, he would sever someone’s elses arms and reattach them, like ACDC did with his fight with Joseph. (You could say that pillarmen own thing, and dio can’t do that, then i’ll say DIO was experimental at his early vampire years. He could’ve learn how to do it).
So winning with antagonist team, is near impossible
i think if all the villains except kars went in and kars just watched, and then once he figures it out since hes got 5 morbillion iq and stuff he'd have a good 1/6 Chance to win
If we look at Jorge Joestar, Kars would body HA Dio in every sense of the word. Then again, Jorge Joestar should almost never be considered in terms of power-scaling.
Imo it basically comes down to if you scale the JoJoverse as
Logic/Blessings and curses>Heaven Plan
Or
Heaven Plan>Logic/Blessings and curses
Uncle Grandpa
Dio OH with prep time can make himself infinitely strong, fast, durable, really anything
Heaven Ascension Dio vs Ultimate Dio
Calamity should work in time stop for the sole reason that someone stopping time only to trip over their own shoes and die is hilarious
I'm surprised you haven't done a video on the 7th stand user form the gameboy game yet
*Heavily* disagree with the assertion that TWoH would even be comparable to, let alone be able to beat, WoU. Decent video other than that.
The fact that you think WoU is somehow completely tiers above TWOH is insane.
@projekttaku1 Arkai confirmed it was and did over heaven still gone by logic and so dose timestop and calamity also scales to person and you could try to say over heaven dio can overwrite but this where your wrong because he was still affected by a calamity that was in the form of jotaro
Okay hear me out Pucci speeds up time and uses Whitesnake’s disk ability to remove TWOH and I mean he might still be able to manipulate reality but without time stop DIO, Dio or Kars would be able to kill him with a headshot seeing as they know that the only way to kill a vampire outside of Hamon or the sun is by completely destroying the brain. The Dios could do that with laser eyes, Kars’ perfected Hamon or just by using timestop and punching a hole through his head. And if Heaven ascension DIO anticipates that and tries to stop Pucci we could just sacrifice DIO by having him act as a distraction.
The main issue here is that HADio could simply stand still and do nothing. None of them have the ability to actually KILL him.
We really think this dio, who's ego is so high is making challenges for himself, wouldn't monologue to the other dio about being the best dio?
I love the stand name "The World Over Heaven", so sick.
IT WAS HIM, DIO
Puts bites the dust on Kars Aayyyyy dio do you know this guy is Kira
Wou is bounded to a concept which isn't bounded to reality as its is own concept is bounded to fate as fate is what made Dio lose either way in eyes of heaven as wonder of u is it's own essential factor in logic that can't be removed without something beyond reality
Wou alone can do.
People forget that calamities are bad things that happen to you, and Dio is nor immune much less can fight calamity, heaven ascended dio losing to jotaro is a calamity, if Heaven Ascended Dio can lose to a calamity, anything can happen, since Wou has full control over logic(actually just calamity itself), dio is not touching wou.
Unless Dio somehow learns about the gobeyond and unlogical thingies, he is not even getting close to the sheer powerhouse that is wou.
For example
Dio stops time but then he trips and he breaks his hands.
Dio throws a knife but then the knife misses and ricochets back to him.
Dio suddenly smells that zaza and dies of aneurism(im jking on this one)
But i mean, its almost hopeless.
Calamity can make freaking leafs falling cut limbs.
He can just erase them all
Only Pucci with his plot armor (terrible forced writing of P6) can win. In fair 1on1 fights Over Heaven low diffs everyone tho, it is really simple..
White snake pucci would be op bro just puts him in an illusion or puts him to sleep he won’t even know till it’s too late while he’s sleeping pucci can take his stand 💀 imagine that
Can’t dio just rewrite reality to make them not the ultimate life form/ no stands?
Thing is, that part, with Made in Heaven Pucci chopping off his hands wouldn't work cause DIo would have vampiric regeneration (most likely), but if Pucci or Wonder of U's Calamity turns the sun into a beam in the sky or just makes it day, then Dio takes the L unless Dio stops time right there and ends it, which he probably will
If someone can move during time stop than calamity can move during time stop, calamity might even give a bird a time stop stand just so it can fly into dio
For the “unable to team up due to ego” part, I honestly think NONE of the antagonists would want to fight against D:OH on a team.
P1 Dio would be far too confident that he could take him alone.
Kars, in his ultimate lifeform state, would do the same
P3 Dio would have the same issues as P1 Dio
Kira wouldn’t wanna fight unless his way of life were at stake
Diavolo wouldn’t fight unless his identity were at stake… which wouldn’t matter because his identity would be revealed to his teammates, thus giving Diavolo reason to attempt to leave or even kill his own teammates.
Pucci wouldn’t even want to fight any version of Dio, no matter if he were teamed up with two of them or not.
Valentine wouldn’t fight unless his country or the corpse parts were at stake (and in this hypothetical scenario none of those is garunteed)
Tooru wouldn’t fight to begin with, even if he technically agreed to team up. I mean, his stand doesn’t really “fight”, y’know?
The only way to make these guys team up and fight with one another in-character is if D:OH said “fuck it, I’ll punch each and every one of you and then make you guys fight against me.” Which… is honestly plausible.
Funny Valentine says to Heavan Ascension Dio thathe can provide a far better opponent one that will really test Dio's powers and brings forth another Dio at which point Heaven Ascension Dio just smacks the other Dio aside saying you call this a challenge and then both Dios explode
one way they could win is Kira telling Pucci to go for the hands for "personal" reason
honestly speaking i feel like if this situation were to happen, Part 1&3 Dios as well as pucci will probably just join TWOH DIO and it will be death times 4 for the other antagonist
I dont know about him defeating WOU so easily, because we have seen with moments like Pucci or Tusk Act 4 being able to move in stopped time that forces like gravity are still in effect during it, so probably other forces like Calamity should also be at work during it. And because Dio isnt trying to just pursue Tooru, he is trying to directly kill him and because Dio has had really abd karma, most probably an scenario like Dio stopping time and just tripping against his alternate world bracelets and losing his arms in the process (as it happened in the game). Also it is pretty plausible that because Calamity can influence other people's behaviour (like seen with Joshu) it could probably influence Funny Valentine to bring those bracelets as fast as possible. From that, he only has timestop, which while strong wouldnt be enough to wipe the entire team, not even Tooru alone
I wonder if novel Kars could beat Over Heaven DIO.
Part 3 deo pulls "we got the same stand" and the fight turns into heaven dio vs every villan plus heaven dio
I don't want to nitpic but actually wrong about kars it's not just everything on earth but actually everything that is organic and alive on ever planet to
Literally no
It's just earth this is repeated in the anime and manga
We don't even know if there's life outside of earth
@@cyrus8886 I was not trying to do anything but I was just saying what I know himself says that he has become the ultimate life form above all other that includes not Earth
@@cyrus8886yeah i mean what do you think there’s some setting in his dna that says nuh uh to anything specifically out of earth?😂
@@datboy038 idk
@@datboy038 yes bruh
DNA came from earthly life
It's literally a carbon based molecule
DNA that only came from one planet would only contain the genetic history of the life of said planet
Here is my argument. You are correct. The Jojo villeins do not have the character required to win. If they did, then they become a Jojo party, supported by fate and acting as a force for Justice in the universe.
Their best bet for surviving the info gathering faze is for Tooru , Valentine, and part three Deo, to use their powers to stall while Cars and Kira try and figure out how his power works.
Both Wonder of U and D4C are good stands for stalling. Tooru's calamity can be used to hint at Over Heaven Deo's power while adding obstructions he has to take a moment to deal with, while Valentine can bring in replacements if someone dies, acting as a weird form of healer for the party. Part three Deo has to use his Time stop to prevent OH Deo from touching Valentine. He has the toughest job. Divolo can acts as a warning system for what OH Deo is planing with Epitaph, And Puchi acts as the ace in the hole, being able to strike before OH Deo can react. Part one Deo is useless.
But you are right, OH Deo only looses if fate is against him. (Apologies for my pore spelling.)
Pucci is already a counter to time stop, since it was shown that the duration of jotaros time stop was percievely shorter in what it should be. Kira also only needs to land one touch or trick dio once to use the primary bomb ability and just delete him. Combining the acceleration of made in heaven and kira just throwing something could easily lead to a dead dio. Or simply have pucci carry kira and do a drive by touch. Or kira just uses kars as bait and when dio lays his hands on kars to stop his regeneration kira just offs them both.
Now do it with every protagonist upto date
what if valentine gets the perfect versions of the villans from the other dimesions? like diavolo with a Requiem Stand
When it Comes to Funny Valentine what if He had Love Train
How to beat over heaven dio with these guys in 6 easy steps
1. make diavolo look up their future to asses their chances of victory
2. make funny valentine jump to that particular dimention where they win
3. make kira yoshikage turn Kars into a bomb
4. DIO stops time and throws Kars into DIO OH
5. DIO over heaven doesn't even bother to block the attack to flex on the puny attack Kars and the team prepared for him
6. Kars comes in contact with DIO OH exploding instantly and completely erasing him
WIN!
calamity still functions in stopped time.
What about all Jostars versus dio over heaven?