This has got to be up there with the best on youtube,and the smile on his face when it fired up,priceless thank,s for letting us all see this wonderful moment
Uncle Paul did a terrific job on what I could see of the rest of the truck. Would love to see the entire truck out in the open . It must look great. Way to go Uncle Paul !!!
That’s when American made stuff was built good. Now I look for things made in China or Japan and avoid American built products. Thanks all to the greedy unions that forced manufacturers overseas.
I remember when I got my 1923 I had a hell of a time starting it and I had to hand crank it. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. Anyway I found the trick was to crank a couple of times with the ignition off and the choke completely closed, then turn on the ignition and crank. Usually fires right off, just quick get the spark advanced before it dies. After a couple of minutes of sounding like a threshing machine chewing on a piece of barbed wire, it settles down to a sweet running machine (Clymer I think). Really a fun car.
my granpa had a John deer and used it to go everywhere even church ,(1950s-1960s)i remember my grandma and me going with granpa to town to buy groceries.
Just got on here, so someone else might have corrected you. Model ts were built from 1909 thru 1927. Model As from 28 thru 31. Havin g started model Ts for about 45 years and own 13, I would suggest checking for manifold leaks, then clean and oil timer an d always adjust it to proper distance when spark lever is up and advance when first starting. Doesn't sound like that is being done.
There used to be a guy in Houston who could counterbalance the crankshaft to make the model T's engines run much smoother. The Model T engines did not come with counterbalance crankshafts so they had that pop pop pop sound under acceleration. It is a big improvement. I think you can just send the crankshaft to them to get this done. Again it is a major improvement over the original engines, and all the shaking caused by the engine disappears.
considering that this engine was able to be started by a hand crank (when in a good state of tune), that poor electric starter needs a thorough rebuild.
Yeah, about your pals "1929 model T".... No. Last year of T production was 1927. The model A showed up in '28. Still very cool of you guys to help him get that thing started.
So what was the problem? Not getting enough gas? When I got my T I had a hard time starting it and I was cranking it. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. Anyway now it starts easy but you have to choke it heavy for the first couple of revs. Once you figure it out they will run even when they shouldn’t.
Give it a small stream of propane into the intake. It'll start like a champ if you have ignition. Either that or get a heat gun/hair dryer to warm the intake air.
Age of an engine makes no difference if it has great compression great spark and a great fuel supply in the right amount it's going to fire up quickly without all of that cranking cranking and cranking and cranking, the engine certainly has a problem. What if it did not have an electric starter what would you do then?
I'm confused about the engine size or how it's calculated. Wikipedia says it's 177CI and list the bore and stroke as 3.75 and 4", which comes out to 188.4CI Why is there an 11" disparity? Also, 20HP (and 83 pounds of torque no less) is incredibly low for the displacement. Why is it so low? Is the compression ratio low or something?
Compression ratio is 4. 5 to 1. From what I have read. Keep in mind that from 1909 until 1919 they were hand crank start only. And for 1919 to 1927 electric start was an option. So a higher compression ratio would likely have made it extremely difficult to crank over by hand. It was designed to run on a variety of fuels alcohol included. And they will run even if the engine is in very poor condition. car never went over 45 miles an hour so the power wasn't required. The car only weighed about 1200 lb.
tarstarkusz these are very low compression engines designed to run on earier fuels and through all kinds of abuse. I compression tested mine and it ran about 50 a cylinder. Ive heard they pretty much max out at 60 psi
I would have kept a steady stream of ether spraying into the carb. These Ts were the most rudimentary mechanical devices. Mass produced. Y men who had never seen one. Henry Ford, likewise , was the first to mass produce cars, so his learning curve was long and slow.
I was totally confused with the written part in the beginning. He stated some one had a1929 model T That's impossible. The model A came out in 1928 replacing the model T
believe it or not, both old and new vehicles, the starter plays a major role in how a vehicle starts, a slow old starter motor trying to turn over an engine = hard starting, if it starts at all.
That might not be a Model T. That might be the rarer Ford Model TT truck. Only 70,000 of those made in 1919 rather than almost half a million Ts. Easy to tell- if it won't do over 15 or 20 miles an hour, it has the truck axle.
Current gasoline. Older engines used lead in gasoline to lubricate the valves Newer, current engines, and gasoline now does not have lead in it. If you run older engines to long with current gasoline and do not add a lead substitute to the gasoline, you can damage the engine.
This car was $260 new or 13oz of gold. That would be about $17k today using gold as the true inflation calculation. Using official numbers, it would be $3,884.62! I think using gold is far more accurate a measurement.
Brad is 100% correct. You don't just keep cranking a starter until it melts. For an engine to start, it needs compression, timing, and a correct fuel mixture. I would have pulled the plugs, cranked the engine until the cylinders were dry, cleaned the plugs, disconnected the carb and fed in some propane. If it started, I'd rebuild the carb.
Thing is, it's his vehicle and he can do with it what he likes. If Brad doesn't like it, let Brad get one and do with it as he likes. They got it running their way. When folks tell me how to do stuff, I tell them, when you start signing my paycheck, then you can tell me how to do it. Otherwise I'll do it my way.
@Rebel: Brad was providing instruction for those who don't yet have the knowledge but do have the intelligence to learn from others. Clearly he wasn't speaking to you...
Wonder what fuel they were running. Modern gas isn't comparable to early gas, bad refinement plus lead left it with an octane rating over 100. Model Ts were fortunately designed as "multi-fuel" cars (today called "flex fuel") so it might start better on kerosene or ethanol blend.
1. Cheking the real compression in the pistons/ 2. Checking the ignition system and the sparcks in the plugs/ 3. Checking the carburator This is what to do to start engines. Why do you torture the starter in vain???...
Uncle Paul better fine a old T guy go fix the engine runs like crap!! Timming out and carb needs adjustment and the worst tings is the fan belt hanging frist bump and fan will grab it....
You guys made Uncle Paul's year. Just look how happy he is once the engine fired and ran. Great video guys!
Muy bueno
It does my hart good to see people give there time to and talent to put a smile on someone’s face it was a great thing you did respect
its an incredible feeling when you get these old beasts to come alive in front of your eyes.
this video never gets old watched it many times , love it.
The smile on Paul's face is priceless.
A long lost proof of an era gone by when Built Ford Tough REALLY MEANT SOMETHING
the smile on Uncle Paul's face and the ''WOO hoo's'' he added in made this a good thing to watch, Thanks to the fellows who did this for him.
This has got to be up there with the best on youtube,and the smile on his face when it fired up,priceless thank,s for letting us all see this wonderful moment
Uncle Paul did a terrific job on what I could see of the rest of the truck. Would love to see the entire truck out in the open . It must look great. Way to go Uncle Paul !!!
God bless the owner for his wonderful restoration so fare.
It's a credit to the guy.
Very Cool old Parade Truck.. Nice Job Uncle Paul..
thats gotta be the best starter in the world.....
Seriously. That's some titan level stuff
That’s when American made stuff was built good. Now I look for things made in China or Japan and avoid American built products. Thanks all to the greedy unions that forced manufacturers overseas.
paul chandler it is a 6 V system .... had to recharge several times between attampts
I remember when I got my 1923 I had a hell of a time starting it and I had to hand crank it. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. Anyway I found the trick was to crank a couple of times with the ignition off and the choke completely closed, then turn on the ignition and crank. Usually fires right off, just quick get the spark advanced before it dies. After a couple of minutes of sounding like a threshing machine chewing on a piece of barbed wire, it settles down to a sweet running machine (Clymer I think). Really a fun car.
That starter motor sounds terrifying xD
Like some ancient beast groaning n grumbling
The first start is always a magic moment
Great result, guys, well done!
Love them old cars. Well done on getting it started.
Aww Uncle Paul was so excited. Good on you guys for doing that for him!
MVP goes to that starter....
Your Uncle did a great job on the cab, i'm glad you got it running for him.....
Great work Guys!
my granpa had a John deer and used it to go everywhere even church ,(1950s-1960s)i remember my grandma and me going with granpa to town to buy groceries.
I knew a farmer that got a john deere letter.
the look on uncle Paul's face when that sucker fired up....priceless
Made him happy, very good.
could imagine trying to diagnose with only a crank handle start ? 👉 + Great seeing all y’all bringing it all together for Unc ❤
Just way too cool, just a classic look on uncle Paul's face, and the sign on the garage.
It would be nice if you could show us a video of him driving it
That was a great video.. Thank you.
great job, great video.
Congrats to you great car
Congratulations!!!
Love this car
Just got on here, so someone else might have corrected you. Model ts were built from 1909 thru 1927. Model As from 28 thru 31. Havin g started model Ts for about 45 years and own 13, I would suggest checking for manifold leaks, then clean and oil timer an d always adjust it to proper distance when spark lever is up and advance when first starting. Doesn't sound like that is being done.
Yes, I have been corrected! I think it was the spark lever at the root of the problem.
Need to drive it!
There used to be a guy in Houston who could counterbalance the crankshaft to make the model T's engines run much smoother. The Model T engines did not come with counterbalance crankshafts so they had that pop pop pop sound under acceleration. It is a big improvement. I think you can just send the crankshaft to them to get this done. Again it is a major improvement over the original engines, and all the shaking caused by the engine disappears.
GREAT JOB!!!!!!
Happy days ...nice
What great talent building that body himself
I hope the starter holds up after all that cranking.
great work, guys
Selling starters grate video
A must watch for every similar idiot
Thanks a lot
considering that this engine was able to be started by a hand crank (when in a good state of tune), that poor electric starter needs a thorough rebuild.
Gotta hand it to it tho. That thing was working
The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Beautiful Clark.
Sounds good for something sat so long
Remember the commercial for Heinz ketchup? Anticipation, anticipation.....!
We're gonna runnoft! From I brother. I knew just what he was trying to say.
Yeah, about your pals "1929 model T".... No. Last year of T production was 1927. The model A showed up in '28. Still very cool of you guys to help him get that thing started.
It says 1919 ._.
I was commenting scrolling text at the beginning of the video. Maybe read that.......
I just read it and it still says 1919.
Ah, i just saw the 1929 type.
Devkrovil Try again. Read the words scrolling up the screen..... 31 seconds in....
So what was the problem? Not getting enough gas? When I got my T I had a hard time starting it and I was cranking it. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. Anyway now it starts easy but you have to choke it heavy for the first couple of revs. Once you figure it out they will run even when they shouldn’t.
0:48-2:00 my brain when trying to solve a math problem.
Someone should have turned Uncle Paul onto U-Tube back when he couldn't get it started. He would have found the " no starting problem " much easier.
Did yall take out the engine from the car and look at its insides?
Says his cousin owns 29 model t, they went out of production in early 1927
Give it a small stream of propane into the intake. It'll start like a champ if you have ignition. Either that or get a heat gun/hair dryer to warm the intake air.
Age of an engine makes no difference if it has great compression great spark and a great fuel supply in the right amount it's going to fire up quickly without all of that cranking cranking and cranking and cranking, the engine certainly has a problem. What if it did not have an electric starter what would you do then?
PRIME IT!!!
Dawm let's have a T party iced that is
Let's go and kick some new cars butt
the reason it wouldn't start was the mixture was obvously so far off
I'm confused about the engine size or how it's calculated. Wikipedia says it's 177CI and list the bore and stroke as 3.75 and 4", which comes out to 188.4CI
Why is there an 11" disparity?
Also, 20HP (and 83 pounds of torque no less) is incredibly low for the displacement. Why is it so low? Is the compression ratio low or something?
Compression ratio is 4. 5 to 1. From what I have read. Keep in mind that from 1909 until 1919 they were hand crank start only. And for 1919 to 1927 electric start was an option. So a higher compression ratio would likely have made it extremely difficult to crank over by hand.
It was designed to run on a variety of fuels alcohol included. And they will run even if the engine is in very poor condition. car never went over 45 miles an hour so the power wasn't required.
The car only weighed about 1200 lb.
tarstarkusz these are very low compression engines designed to run on earier fuels and through all kinds of abuse. I compression tested mine and it ran about 50 a cylinder. Ive heard they pretty much max out at 60 psi
I would have kept a steady stream of ether spraying into the carb. These Ts were the most rudimentary mechanical devices. Mass produced. Y men who had never seen one. Henry Ford, likewise , was the first to mass produce cars, so his learning curve was long and slow.
Before you start it. Make sure everything is okay so you dont burn out anything!
Timing Handel has to be in up position to start
where is the driving it videooooo !
I live in Arkansas!
So do I
Starter Fluid Save the starter
for eisenliehaben ist das starter dieses relikts das aufregedste was pasiren kann von VILLA GESELL .ARGENTINA Franz
:v great work
I was totally confused with the written part in the beginning. He stated some one had a1929 model T That's impossible. The model A came out in 1928 replacing the model T
believe it or not, both old and new vehicles, the starter plays a major role in how a vehicle starts, a slow old starter motor trying to turn over an engine = hard starting, if it starts at all.
Hot Rod 6 volt bud. Not 12. They all crank slower than slow
That might not be a Model T. That might be the rarer Ford Model TT truck. Only 70,000 of those made in 1919 rather than almost half a million Ts. Easy to tell- if it won't do over 15 or 20 miles an hour, it has the truck axle.
wich engine get this vehicle..?
Nice ride but it be better if it was a really old truck. Or one of the first semi trucks
Maybe the firing order is not right
carburetor problem..
does it have an alternator?
Later ones did have a generator.
No
It would start easily with a hand crank as the starter is too slow.
Higher cranking speed useful, points working?, spark advance setting? is enough fuel getting to carb?
Should save the starter from so much cranking time...
Sounded like it wasn't getting gas.
Do they not believe in using ether to help start an engine? Oh well, it sounds pretty good, hope that starter is ok though.
Bad gas
Current gasoline.
Older engines used lead in gasoline to lubricate the valves
Newer, current engines, and gasoline now does not have lead in it. If you run older engines to long with current gasoline and do not add a lead substitute to the gasoline, you can damage the engine.
Leaded gasoline was not available when the model T was built. Not true anyway
Not sure why one guy talks about adjusting the distributor. There's no distributor on a stock Model T and certainly not on that one.
I think he was making an analogy to explain it so someone more familiar with more modern ignition systems could understand.
You have to set the spark gap silly.
You need to be careful running older engine with current gasoline.
I added some "Marvel Mystery Oil" to my Model T every time I added gas, and that helped to protect the valves.
the model t`s ended in 1927. the only ford in 1929 was the model a
You need fix the problem before you kill the starter!
This car was $260 new or 13oz of gold. That would be about $17k today using gold as the true inflation calculation. Using official numbers, it would be $3,884.62! I think using gold is far more accurate a measurement.
Why kill the starter when a spray can of "Start ya Bastard" will get it going.
Seven minutes of watching y'all washing out them crank bearings to finally get it to fire... to overcome decades of not understanding ignition timing.
getting to much air in carb maybe
how many time he write 20 min later?
Throw in a 2000 c.c. ford pinto engine and be done with it.🤔
I think you missed the whole point.
charge the battery.
If it does not start there is a reason ! before you burn out the starter , spend the time and find the problem !
Don't be a Dick!
Brad is 100% correct. You don't just keep cranking a starter until it melts. For an engine to start, it needs compression, timing, and a correct fuel mixture. I would have pulled the plugs, cranked the engine until the cylinders were dry, cleaned the plugs, disconnected the carb and fed in some propane. If it started, I'd rebuild the carb.
Thing is, it's his vehicle and he can do with it what he likes. If Brad doesn't like it, let Brad get one and do with it as he likes. They got it running their way. When folks tell me how to do stuff, I tell them, when you start signing my paycheck, then you can tell me how to do it. Otherwise I'll do it my way.
@Rebel: Brad was providing instruction for those who don't yet have the knowledge but do have the intelligence to learn from others. Clearly he wasn't speaking to you...
You mean you’re cousin owns a 1927 Model T , that’s the last year they were made. Model A started 1928
Wonder what fuel they were running. Modern gas isn't comparable to early gas, bad refinement plus lead left it with an octane rating over 100. Model Ts were fortunately designed as "multi-fuel" cars (today called "flex fuel") so it might start better on kerosene or ethanol blend.
Valve timing is out
1. Cheking the real compression in the pistons/
2. Checking the ignition system and the sparcks in the plugs/
3. Checking the carburator
This is what to do to start engines. Why do you torture the starter in vain???...
There are no 1929 Model T's.
There is no 1929 model t
Uncle Paul better fine a old T guy go fix the engine runs like crap!! Timming out and carb needs adjustment and the worst tings is the fan belt hanging frist bump and fan will grab it....
you have to use the hand crank
all ok just needed new starter man it weak