I'm glad people enjoy BGB but to say shuffle is dead is a lie. Looking at the activity section on Drustvar is showing Shuffle/Arena is definitely alive.
It’s interesting to see different folks with different views. Supatease regularly rates rot damage specs higher than other folks. He loves the dots and bleeds.
@@heroman1322 I main Boomkin but looks like both my SPriest and Afflock are going to get some more play! But I still love my Boomy of course who absolutely destroys in bgs. Oh and yeah gotta gear that Devoker and Frost Mage too! Ty ty Blizz for making an altoholic out of me lol, having so much fun!
Well you know supa tries to be unbiased and give his real honest opinions on the state of the game…. Meanwhile people like ven just say whatever they want to get nerfed is broken 🙄
I think some people only focus on the top percenters and not the overall players because I know when I was maining Druid I’d break combat to escape and go try heal up but never really caught onto needing to cleanse and got myself killed for being unable to heal myself in time because dealing with dots and bleeds if different than avoiding direct damage
I think WoW content creators need to start making separate tier lists for low and high elo. Outlaw and spriest for example are beans at low elo. Separate tier lists would both be more accurate and provide more easy content to pump out. It's a win/win
Blizzard please fix demonology warlock. They need smaller pet healthbars that are almost see-through. They need less hardcast and more instants in pvp. They need more dmg. Also fix beastmaster hunter pets the same way (and every class with lots of pets).
@@curiousabout1 This isin't a reliable fix because pet healthbars are linked to psyfiend and other bars warrior standard, so if you reduce the size of one thing it reduces all other things you need to see in pvp. I've worked extensively in plater and it requires a custom plater script(which i have).
Assassination rogue is so overrated for solo shuffle. There is 1 sin rogue in top 100 SS and 3 in top 200. Literally unplayable into hunter (with their bugged hero talent Catch out) and frost mage. Your biggest offensive cooldown is useless into Pres, Surv and Paladin. Either sit perma root or use vanish on roots and die on next rotation, GG
at like 1400-1600 rating aff locks just get ran down, its the nr1 target every team go for with no exception. If its the aff locks being bad, healers who cant keep up the hps or the team mates not providing enough help im not sure, probably a mix of all those.
@@Essemlol this is true. Affliction locks are the number 1 target no matter what. Letting them free cast doing PVE dmg and padding the meters is insane with their spammable CC. Locks need to learn how to kite, juke and maximize their damage all at the same time if they want to be anywhere near or above 2k rating. And even then, if the healer is bad you just fall over. If your teammates don't peel, you fall over. Their damage is high but double melee is no joke.
@@nunyabusiness1317 certain melee just RUN YOU DOWN and it feels like there is VERY littel counterplay. Like a good UHDK feels insurmountable as a lock solo. You NEED support from ur team to be able to deal with them. I had an UHDK just double gripping me out of range of my portal @ the start of every match, and my priest teammate never shielded me, and never lifegripped me back. so i was stuck moving 30% movement speed back to in range of my portal, unable to even CC the DK off me cause he has like, 18 seconds of AMS, into a blanket silence.
This has to be one of the worst tier list I’ve seen in a while. Outlaw GOD tier xDDDDDDDD . This dude has to touch some grass, 8 classe in god tier… wtf is that ? Personal agenda against rogues… disgusting
Explanation for destroying = try casting chaos bolt in SS. Way to slow for how weak it hits, it needs to do 2M + or it's not even worth it with how easy it is to kite/los/cc
@@chrisk1458 DPS absolutely matters in Solo Shuffle, cause if ur burst windows is high but ur DPS is low, a good healer will just trade cooldowns during ur burst window. you cnat be doing no consistent damage @ all and expect to win against teams that can do super good consistent pressure AND have scary kill windows in their cooldowns
@@memofreire Its a top DPS spec in PvE and was definitively the most OP PvP spec in Dragonflight. Hard to believe it’s not good, I think the issue is with the operator likely
@@Frequently1 It's not man. If the operator is a rank1 player that has been playing the spec since TBC, a damn prot pally is god tier... You want proofs? The ladderboard is right there: less than 2% of outlaws are ranking right now.
@@memofreire Just because people don’t play a spec, doesn’t mean it’s not good. Outlaw Rogue had very low representation in DF and was far and wide the best class/spec in PvP, every single tournament winner in both regions were rogue teams. Couldn’t even make the semifinals without a rogue. Playing since TBC doesn’t mean much, each expansion is new and a fresh start. It really is like starting fresh and learning all the new changes on every spec And that “Prot” Paladin is actually a holy Paladin that logged out specced Prot. Looked up his game history.
@@kylekermgard these streamers always put specs that only work for like 1% of the pvp playerbase because they play only on 2.4+ rating, that's why he put outlaw in god tier when the spec is totally garbage compared to other meeles and the other rogue specs, only rank1 glads can make it work and that is reflected in the representation of the ladderboard: less than 1% playing outlaw right now 🤣
Sub Rogue is possibly the best spec in the game. Tier lists need to be designed with the high end skill level in mind, just like class tuning. Sub Rogue and Outlaw Rogue are absolute tanks in PvP. Legitimately some of the tankiest specs in rated 3s with a healer. Assa isn’t as tanky, but it has very high damage and is very easy to compensate.
Idk, coming from a Fury main since BfA I think Arms is pretty good. I was in greens with only a couple purple items doing 1.5 mil MS and executes and my bleeds weee ticking for like 100-150k. Worst thing about playing any warrior is the fact that they gave everyone 5 different slows and roots. Had to hang it up for the season
@whisperineye446 defs not A tier melee lol. The damage is OK but they're squishy as hell. DBTS does nothing vs more than half the specs in the game and ignore pain's tiny shield won't save you if you're getting focused
rogues are always good because of infinite cc, no other class can do what a good rogue can do. Decent damage on top makes them god tier, simple as that
"Outlaw is competing at the highest level" meanwhile 16 outlaws above 1800. You haven't even seen it to have that opinion, There literally isn't one at the rating you play. Just anti rogue, low moral quality take hunting for nerfs.
warlock squishy hahah you learn something new every day, shadow is good IF you get ignored meeles on you Hell on earth, its like so depending on the matchup its between D and S
Archon for Shadow priest is still MELTING in single target damage and many do not know this. I rarely lose a 1v1 situation in BGs because of this. Main weakness feels like fury warrior, demon hunter, and affliction lock! Take pride in the strong sleeper status of Shadow 😅
good note in bgs where half of people are pve scrubs.spriest deals the worst dmg so much ramp time to do any dmg that people kill you before you do any dmg
Meanwhile Whaazz is 200+ cr higher than the rest of the game on Sub Rogue. He’s the best player in the game, but this is a dramatic difference this early on The problem is with the operator struggling, not the spec
@@Supatease But there are statistics, which proof you wrong. Assa is placed 14/26 dd specs. Sub is pretty good with 6/26 but outlaw is placed 22/26. These statistics are from murlok io which compare the 50 best players of each spec in SS.
@@andymelgar4980 I’d be willing to bet the winning AWC Cup team this weekend has a Rogue on it (both regions US and EU) and not a DPS Evoker on either team. Rogue is absolutely 100% S Tier (Aff Lock too). Evoker probably A Tier, 25 yard range gonna burn evoker in a tournament setting. Not downplaying Evoker either, it’s very good on ladder
normally I agree with your assessment, but BM is still so unbelievebly bad, buffing the damage of a spell by 40% that does less than 1% of you overall damage is not really a buff. Talent interactions are apparently still bugged with BM. It is C at best. When you face a BM hunter just train them, the walls are weak and short, after turtle is over game is over
outlaw god tier? You mean the spec that need to play like a damn piano to do half of the damage of the other rogue specs? You mean the spec that just got nerfed in two of her main damage skills? The spec that benefits the least from their tier set bonus? The spec that his main burst window still has a bug since beta? The only rogue spec that will have no shadowstep? Yeaaaaa suuuure man sure 😂 I mean if you're a rank1 god player you can make brewmaster to work too 😂 ridiculous...
Someone is already crying a river from a tier list of someone that plays the game for a living. Add to that, iit is a personal tier list. People just don't understand what these tier list are LOL
@@llChubll so what's your point lil bro? what I wrote is not true? It is actually god tier outlaw for you or what? are you going to comment something about the topic? or you just here just to antagonize because your boring i don't get it 🤣 you actually play rated pvp? asdfgh
If an Arms takes a DK out... you are either a god or that DK (Unholy or Frost) is cheeks. As for Devo Evo... Being a DK. I love that chase. It super fun
not wanna hate but MM is only good in caster classes.try doing dmg vs 2 melee sitting you whole game.same as Spriest it doesnt do dmg doesnt matter if its pve,pvp,questing.
I qued into mes and cdew last night playing cupid on their alts and i was running unholy dk sub rogue. Got so close to winning lol but we crapped on everyone else such a fun comp
Supa, you can make video about tier sets too. Second week i cant get my second peace. Something is messed up. Last expansion i could get 4 peaces for 2 weeks. Now i hardly can get one. Especially with this annoying cap.
Hey blizzard, Outlaw is even better in pvp after recent nerfs targeting pve. Nerf outlaw in pvp by 25% overall. It shouldn't be played, doesn't deserve to be played and buff assa and sub rogue a bit like come on, how do you expect to people to play those specs if they don't do damage. assa is worse needs like a 35% damage buff and especially kingsbane, that thing tickles. Sub needs some buffs on tier set, evis and secret tech. They need to do damage man like wtf
I will say i haven’t seen an assa rogue over 2k mmr on SS compared to other specs. Maybe not a lot of people pushing the class, but I’ve seen other classes have way higher rating compared to “god” assa
i think supa mega copes and underestimates melee for normie lobbies… playing casters and range in solo shuffle is inherently more challenging because of the popularity of melee. we just get trained down the second the match starts and can’t kite with all the insane mobility melee has right now.
You guys should play WW…it does good into melees that’s basically it. Trying play WW into rogue MM or dev evoker or frost mage you may as well just / afk. It’s also absolute garbage in BGs. That’s the issue with the game right now in general. Too much rock paper scissors too many hard counters for each spec. Makes matchups more about coin tosses than skill. As of this comment top 100 3v3 10hunters 1 WW Top 100 shuffle: 14 hunters 3 WW BG blitz: 30 MM hunters over 2k 11 WW over 2k
@@everythingtankpit MM is excellent into casters, wym? They have so many ways to interrupt, and the knock up punch is just broken against actual casters (not OP insta cast frost mage). It’s also good into hunters if you know how to play it
Calling out all healer brothers . If ya lose the first 3 rounds let the other healer 0-6 yeah so one of us gets rating plz . We have to unite n look after each other
Hmm seems like World of (Women's)Craft'' going on their liked and most loved classes ....rogue,hunter,priest ups I forget Dragon '' one ;) and maybe mage hah and all are alliance story's coming.....! That week blizzard didn't even give us a catalyst spark lol but it is normal I play in EU servers :(
Haha what you gonna do with “god” mm hunter when dk/fury/any melee approach you. Its only playable with rly, rly good feral, or maybe ret, but its weaker against melee. Funny to see how bg oneshots affect all “pvp” tierlist.
@@SeemsLikeSomething ok so disc has life cocoon, ps (x2 still?), dome, ult p, and rapture. Radiance is basically a revival in terms of healing. Compared to life cocoon and a triple nerfed revival 💀 time to level my disc and ditch the mw
Tbh its not its tanky in bear when u do no damage but its defensies improved maybe 10% same as mm got small defensive improve. This guy just majorly exxagerates.
Ive been going between Assassin and Feral. And last night I ran the SS with my Assassin. Won 5 of 6 rounds and got Killing Blow 5 times. I burst the Healer one round Hella fast and the paladin was like What happened 😂 I was like I just killed the healer. Then next round I burst the Pally and he was like holy hell.
I would like a trap that roots every one in chains and does shadow damage if they move if they cast spells or try do samange as in chained so lance or caster and melee shadow damage half life damage and I feel you should be able to combo your traps mix match traps to do different things witch I feel that would be pretty cool I use Tar trap and a explosive trap why not spread fire all over my enemies and why won’t they revamp snake trap I miss doing poison damage to people and capitalize with cobra shot witch explodes makes more dots that be bad ass and why not give hunters a second invisible cloack and I new ability’s called ambush where there cc and can’t get out of the way just like a rope or net like the predictor and another trap they can fall in a hole y or can burst them in there blow them up forces them to use defense somthing . Lol
MM hunter is the cringiest class design; they should not be able to burst from stealth its an abomination in any bg; hope the class is gutted damage wise and the mastery should not increase range in PvP that is so stupid; or make them kickable; also their casts should cancel if you Los since they can't be kicked
It's actually disgusting how they destroy mistweaver monk. I can't even remember when caster monk was good ..probably back in mop and legion...u never see a caster monk in competitive arenas ... good hero class blizzard. What a joke....
@@markk.8485 Why is it bad in arena? just wondering? never played in arena but a i heard from everybody its bad. Is it because had to stand still to heal too much?
I will say as assassination I find it easier to out pace 1v1 sub rogue. But I see them getting smacked and cannot go toe to toe with a good Ret or Warrior like in season 1 of DF. Would not put them in God tier just from this alone.
We need the streamers to start calling out hunter /marksman. At low elo they are just ruining the game. It's also well known that one of the blizz devs plays one so they never have a bad season for pvp. Why do pve nurfs effect pvp ? Surely you just change one or the other depending how performance in each?
MM is best in game and unkillable!? Thats a good joke. Frost mage, UDK, fury, ele shaman, dev evoker, affliction lock are all noticeably better. Edit: can’t forget WW monk!
@@jawadkhaled3796 SV feels like B tier to me. But more sustained damage is true. I don’t understand why all these content creators lie and say MM is super OP tho. They are easily killable, and their damage is pretty easy to shut down. They’re gonna get the spec nerfed into useless damage.
@@SIIKAP1they want all hunters nerfed , i have 584 ilvl with good pvp gear and enchants at 1700 mmr, i was getting trained hard yesterday in shuffle games , i hated it so much, on the hand, SV felt more natural and more control over bm and mm
MM dmg is cracked and it has an extra defensive. It’s not unkillable, supa is being hyperbolic there. It’s very good though. Ele doesn’t really belong on your list - frost mage is much better than Ele.
Now do a BGB updated tier list!
He needs to focus on BGB. Nobody is doing solo shuffle anymore and the 25min queues already prove it.
This
I'm glad people enjoy BGB but to say shuffle is dead is a lie. Looking at the activity section on Drustvar is showing Shuffle/Arena is definitely alive.
@@Coheed420they healthy SS ladder and one one doing it? Damn…..
@@Coheed420not true at all, lol
Why have we created a god tier? Isn’t god tier just S tier and S tier just A tier?
Funds are tight, needs to make a change to his daily tier lists
It’s interesting to see different folks with different views. Supatease regularly rates rot damage specs higher than other folks. He loves the dots and bleeds.
Probably why I relate to him. I love all the rot specs! Affliction warlock is tempting me while I main Shadow priest!
@@heroman1322 I main Boomkin but looks like both my SPriest and Afflock are going to get some more play! But I still love my Boomy of course who absolutely destroys in bgs. Oh and yeah gotta gear that Devoker and Frost Mage too! Ty ty Blizz for making an altoholic out of me lol, having so much fun!
He has other prespective for Rated 3v3 probably for bleed/rot specs because it is more co-ordinated, Rot specs are usually better for solo shuffle atm
Well you know supa tries to be unbiased and give his real honest opinions on the state of the game…. Meanwhile people like ven just say whatever they want to get nerfed is broken 🙄
I think some people only focus on the top percenters and not the overall players because I know when I was maining Druid I’d break combat to escape and go try heal up but never really caught onto needing to cleanse and got myself killed for being unable to heal myself in time because dealing with dots and bleeds if different than avoiding direct damage
4:25 "you fall over to a gust of wind". Me as a shaman: gonna have to try this.
I think WoW content creators need to start making separate tier lists for low and high elo. Outlaw and spriest for example are beans at low elo. Separate tier lists would both be more accurate and provide more easy content to pump out. It's a win/win
Blizzard please fix demonology warlock. They need smaller pet healthbars that are almost see-through. They need less hardcast and more instants in pvp. They need more dmg. Also fix beastmaster hunter pets the same way (and every class with lots of pets).
I feel that. I don't take damage when I have a demo lock on my team. They know the damage isn't there and just double focus.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure you can alter pets' health bars in any way you like with the addon Plater.
@@curiousabout1 This isin't a reliable fix because pet healthbars are linked to psyfiend and other bars warrior standard, so if you reduce the size of one thing it reduces all other things you need to see in pvp. I've worked extensively in plater and it requires a custom plater script(which i have).
Assassination rogue is so overrated for solo shuffle. There is 1 sin rogue in top 100 SS and 3 in top 200. Literally unplayable into hunter (with their bugged hero talent Catch out) and frost mage. Your biggest offensive cooldown is useless into Pres, Surv and Paladin. Either sit perma root or use vanish on roots and die on next rotation, GG
This is probably the first time I heard the term squishy warlock. I did not even know there is such a thing.
Play a low rated solo shuffle and you’ll see it
at like 1400-1600 rating aff locks just get ran down, its the nr1 target every team go for with no exception. If its the aff locks being bad, healers who cant keep up the hps or the team mates not providing enough help im not sure, probably a mix of all those.
@@Essemlol this is true. Affliction locks are the number 1 target no matter what. Letting them free cast doing PVE dmg and padding the meters is insane with their spammable CC. Locks need to learn how to kite, juke and maximize their damage all at the same time if they want to be anywhere near or above 2k rating. And even then, if the healer is bad you just fall over. If your teammates don't peel, you fall over. Their damage is high but double melee is no joke.
@@nunyabusiness1317 certain melee just RUN YOU DOWN and it feels like there is VERY littel counterplay.
Like a good UHDK feels insurmountable as a lock solo. You NEED support from ur team to be able to deal with them.
I had an UHDK just double gripping me out of range of my portal @ the start of every match, and my priest teammate never shielded me, and never lifegripped me back.
so i was stuck moving 30% movement speed back to in range of my portal, unable to even CC the DK off me cause he has like, 18 seconds of AMS, into a blanket silence.
This has to be one of the worst tier list I’ve seen in a while. Outlaw GOD tier xDDDDDDDD . This dude has to touch some grass, 8 classe in god tier… wtf is that ? Personal agenda against rogues… disgusting
As an outlaw rogue I feel youre cappin with that rating
Terrible list. 8 classes in god tier. WTF does god tier even mean at this point.
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i swear 90% of people who make tier lists dont understand how to use them lol
Explanation for destroying = try casting chaos bolt in SS.
Way to slow for how weak it hits, it needs to do 2M + or it's not even worth it with how easy it is to kite/los/cc
Destro**
They need to rework the spec.. relying on one ability is poor design
Just go more mastery and only look for small burst windows. Dps doesnt matter at all
@@chrisk1458 DPS absolutely matters in Solo Shuffle, cause if ur burst windows is high but ur DPS is low, a good healer will just trade cooldowns during ur burst window.
you cnat be doing no consistent damage @ all and expect to win against teams that can do super good consistent pressure AND have scary kill windows in their cooldowns
Im glad you brought up outlaw, people putting it on b tier like this spec isnt completely crushing
@@nikmo7360 it isn't lol
@@memofreire Its a top DPS spec in PvE and was definitively the most OP PvP spec in Dragonflight. Hard to believe it’s not good, I think the issue is with the operator likely
@@Frequently1 It's not man. If the operator is a rank1 player that has been playing the spec since TBC, a damn prot pally is god tier... You want proofs? The ladderboard is right there: less than 2% of outlaws are ranking right now.
@@memofreire Just because people don’t play a spec, doesn’t mean it’s not good. Outlaw Rogue had very low representation in DF and was far and wide the best class/spec in PvP, every single tournament winner in both regions were rogue teams. Couldn’t even make the semifinals without a rogue.
Playing since TBC doesn’t mean much, each expansion is new and a fresh start. It really is like starting fresh and learning all the new changes on every spec
And that “Prot” Paladin is actually a holy Paladin that logged out specced Prot. Looked up his game history.
I dunno man. I don't think any rogue spec is better than A tier. They are squishy and require more coordination than most melee.
@@kylekermgard these streamers always put specs that only work for like 1% of the pvp playerbase because they play only on 2.4+ rating, that's why he put outlaw in god tier when the spec is totally garbage compared to other meeles and the other rogue specs, only rank1 glads can make it work and that is reflected in the representation of the ladderboard: less than 1% playing outlaw right now 🤣
Sub Rogue is possibly the best spec in the game. Tier lists need to be designed with the high end skill level in mind, just like class tuning.
Sub Rogue and Outlaw Rogue are absolute tanks in PvP. Legitimately some of the tankiest specs in rated 3s with a healer.
Assa isn’t as tanky, but it has very high damage and is very easy to compensate.
Solo shuffle is dead as fuck. Spent almost 2 hours in que yesterday. Might as well not be in the game
hm 10 min max for me
obvious lie
only first few games are that long. You need to establish your rating.
Arms is pathetic. I just did not understand how people had this dead beat spec on the A tier.
its actually not bad. its not as good as fury as fury was/is busted. it's def an A tier melee.
Compared to fury at the moment it may aswell not exist
Idk, coming from a Fury main since BfA I think Arms is pretty good.
I was in greens with only a couple purple items doing 1.5 mil MS and executes and my bleeds weee ticking for like 100-150k.
Worst thing about playing any warrior is the fact that they gave everyone 5 different slows and roots. Had to hang it up for the season
@@GhostshipPart1 1.5m ms/executes hahahahahahaha dude are you hitting critters?
@whisperineye446 defs not A tier melee lol. The damage is OK but they're squishy as hell. DBTS does nothing vs more than half the specs in the game and ignore pain's tiny shield won't save you if you're getting focused
Not sure about the placement of all the rogue specs, but overall the most accurate tier list so far imo. “Plays WW”
rogues are always good because of infinite cc, no other class can do what a good rogue can do. Decent damage on top makes them god tier, simple as that
Seconding this, along with devastation. Devastation should be GOD. I otherwise really agree with this list.
@@MrKleju False, Rogue was gutted to pure trash last expansion and Pikaboo started to make every alt in the game.
@@Kanoogrogue was still great last xpac, pikaboo plays this game 24/7 for the past 15 years of course he’s gonna make and play every class
@@Kanooglmao what? Rogue comps literally won both EU and NA AWC tournaments…. You must be slow
Bro supa i love you but outlaw god tier ahahaha you should try it, it sucks ass
Yeah like, if you get disrupted on your burst, you're non-existent till adrenaline rush comes back up
Just put everything down 1 row because he exaggerates like crazy. 8 specs in god tier lol.
"Outlaw is competing at the highest level" meanwhile 16 outlaws above 1800. You haven't even seen it to have that opinion, There literally isn't one at the rating you play. Just anti rogue, low moral quality take hunting for nerfs.
Outlaw rogue ist placed 22 of 26 dd-specs... definately god tier :D
Is that because outlaw is not top tier? Or is it because there are two other top tier rogue specs that people prefer to play?
warlock squishy hahah you learn something new every day, shadow is good IF you get ignored meeles on you Hell on earth, its like so depending on the matchup its between D and S
Archon for Shadow priest is still MELTING in single target damage and many do not know this. I rarely lose a 1v1 situation in BGs because of this. Main weakness feels like fury warrior, demon hunter, and affliction lock! Take pride in the strong sleeper status of Shadow 😅
good note in bgs where half of people are pve scrubs.spriest deals the worst dmg so much ramp time to do any dmg that people kill you before you do any dmg
For sure not accurate
personally I feel like assassination seems bad in arena right now compared to last season.
Man, these tier lists are paying your bills
Def agree with this tier list. The only exception I'd make is devastation being in GOD. It's actually absurd the levels of damage that spec can do.
every none rogue player puts them in s tier, but rogue players all on alts and say rogues are dogshit.
Any competitor is incentivized to be biased towards their own spec as it's performance directly correlates to possible tournament outcomes.
Meanwhile Whaazz is 200+ cr higher than the rest of the game on Sub Rogue. He’s the best player in the game, but this is a dramatic difference this early on
The problem is with the operator struggling, not the spec
@@Supatease But there are statistics, which proof you wrong. Assa is placed 14/26 dd specs. Sub is pretty good with 6/26 but outlaw is placed 22/26. These statistics are from murlok io which compare the 50 best players of each spec in SS.
As a rogue player I’d say it’s A tier and afflic and evoker is definitely god tier especially evoker can easily kite while doing dmg
@@andymelgar4980 I’d be willing to bet the winning AWC Cup team this weekend has a Rogue on it (both regions US and EU) and not a DPS Evoker on either team.
Rogue is absolutely 100% S Tier (Aff Lock too). Evoker probably A Tier, 25 yard range gonna burn evoker in a tournament setting.
Not downplaying Evoker either, it’s very good on ladder
Demo locks are in a tough spot right now, yes. I wouldn’t rate them as low as D, but yeah, they’re definitely not A either.
Outlaw god tier HAHA
Hey supatease after the ret update with new talents etc what tier you think it will be at?
What do you think would generally pair well with hpal in 2s, and similarly what would you pair ideally with ret in 2s? :
Yo Rapgod that Title is critical 😅
I have been playing discipline since wotlk and I can say for sure, this season discipline feels extremely busted, im scared it will get gutted soon
Looks good and healthy, no class in d most of them around A!
thanks bud, very well explained. gluck in your games!
normally I agree with your assessment, but BM is still so unbelievebly bad, buffing the damage of a spell by 40% that does less than 1% of you overall damage is not really a buff. Talent interactions are apparently still bugged with BM. It is C at best. When you face a BM hunter just train them, the walls are weak and short, after turtle is over game is over
outlaw god tier? You mean the spec that need to play like a damn piano to do half of the damage of the other rogue specs? You mean the spec that just got nerfed in two of her main damage skills? The spec that benefits the least from their tier set bonus? The spec that his main burst window still has a bug since beta? The only rogue spec that will have no shadowstep? Yeaaaaa suuuure man sure 😂 I mean if you're a rank1 god player you can make brewmaster to work too 😂 ridiculous...
supa is just a bias person who got touched by rogues when he was a child.
Wait outlaw doesn't have shadowstep?!
@@viberaider6852 will no longer have when the 11.0.5 changes are implemented, will have another charge of GH instead
Someone is already crying a river from a tier list of someone that plays the game for a living. Add to that, iit is a personal tier list. People just don't understand what these tier list are LOL
@@llChubll so what's your point lil bro? what I wrote is not true? It is actually god tier outlaw for you or what? are you going to comment something about the topic? or you just here just to antagonize because your boring i don't get it 🤣 you actually play rated pvp? asdfgh
Nobody plays solo shuffle. 20 minute queue time, and like 10 minutes as a healer
Sad day when my main spec "demo" is with the tanks..
Devoker and Unholy are insane, I think frost DK is more of a low A
If an Arms takes a DK out... you are either a god or that DK (Unholy or Frost) is cheeks.
As for Devo Evo... Being a DK. I love that chase. It super fun
im not seeing anyone running druid of the claw as feral so what is it that makes them so much more tanky than boomkins?
so its basically rangeds & rogue season, nice job blizz
not wanna hate but MM is only good in caster classes.try doing dmg vs 2 melee sitting you whole game.same as Spriest it doesnt do dmg doesnt matter if its pve,pvp,questing.
There are many huntards but only 1 huntardini
a very happy feral right now
I qued into mes and cdew last night playing cupid on their alts and i was running unholy dk sub rogue. Got so close to winning lol but we crapped on everyone else such a fun comp
Unless they give hunters more traps 🪤 I would like more op traps
Supa, you can make video about tier sets too. Second week i cant get my second peace. Something is messed up. Last expansion i could get 4 peaces for 2 weeks. Now i hardly can get one.
Especially with this annoying cap.
Do not show it to Pshero 😅
Blizzard made sure that Demo is not a pvp spec, have to hard cast every single ability is a joke for pvp.
ww is god
devoker should be s tier, feral/ass should be lower
Hey blizzard, Outlaw is even better in pvp after recent nerfs targeting pve. Nerf outlaw in pvp by 25% overall. It shouldn't be played, doesn't deserve to be played and buff assa and sub rogue a bit like come on, how do you expect to people to play those specs if they don't do damage. assa is worse needs like a 35% damage buff and especially kingsbane, that thing tickles. Sub needs some buffs on tier set, evis and secret tech. They need to do damage man like wtf
You're joking right? Lol
Lmao Sub is S tier already sounds like a skill issue dawg
I will say i haven’t seen an assa rogue over 2k mmr on SS compared to other specs. Maybe not a lot of people pushing the class, but I’ve seen other classes have way higher rating compared to “god” assa
MM at god tier but WW monk at A? Your sleep bro MM gets deleted nowadays, WW monk stomps in all pvp.
I agree. I’ve played mm into a uhdk, fury, ww lobby and it’s an insta loss. No kiting possible. Against casters tho it’s a dream
i think supa mega copes and underestimates melee for normie lobbies… playing casters and range in solo shuffle is inherently more challenging because of the popularity of melee. we just get trained down the second the match starts and can’t kite with all the insane mobility melee has right now.
facts. people just want hunter nerfed. and not WW for some reason. but WW is much harder to beat and more annoying to play against
You guys should play WW…it does good into melees that’s basically it. Trying play WW into rogue MM or dev evoker or frost mage you may as well just / afk. It’s also absolute garbage in BGs. That’s the issue with the game right now in general. Too much rock paper scissors too many hard counters for each spec. Makes matchups more about coin tosses than skill.
As of this comment top 100 3v3 10hunters 1 WW
Top 100 shuffle: 14 hunters 3 WW
BG blitz: 30 MM hunters over 2k
11 WW over 2k
@@everythingtankpit MM is excellent into casters, wym? They have so many ways to interrupt, and the knock up punch is just broken against actual casters (not OP insta cast frost mage). It’s also good into hunters if you know how to play it
Calling out all healer brothers . If ya lose the first 3 rounds let the other healer 0-6 yeah so one of us gets rating plz . We have to unite n look after each other
Need to get on the BGB guides.
WW monk feel ass now
Hmm seems like World of (Women's)Craft'' going on their liked and most loved classes ....rogue,hunter,priest ups I forget Dragon '' one ;) and maybe mage hah and all are alliance story's coming.....! That week blizzard didn't even give us a catalyst spark lol but it is normal I play in EU servers :(
Was actually just going to level my hunter
In my opinion there are 3 specs that should just stick to PvE... Outlaw, Demonology and Arcane.
I still hate the change from Combat to Outlaw 🤮
get over it dude its been 8 years
I love demo, easily my favorite warlock spec to play. I love the control, same reason I love rogue
@@joshuagodwin8565 so play feral or alance then spammable clone, instant roots or vortex, 2 stuns, knockback aoe, castable root
i didnt see anything about haunt nerfs for aff lock, was it not in the patch notes?
I could be wrong, but the nerf was shadowbolt and wither no?
@@atomicoption right, but supatease mentioned haunt so i was confused
Haha what you gonna do with “god” mm hunter when dk/fury/any melee approach you. Its only playable with rly, rly good feral, or maybe ret, but its weaker against melee. Funny to see how bg oneshots affect all “pvp” tierlist.
sin rogue has 2 sharpen blades that last 8 seconds while arms has one that lasts 4 seconds. well played blizz.
the biggest problem with disc right now imo is the fact that their pw shield is a literal spammable life cocoon. how does that make sense
It’s only that strong during premonition’s last cycle. And it has a cooldown outside of rapture window.
@@SeemsLikeSomething is the cd 1.5 mins?
@@KogetaJ the strong one I described is yes, as you get two instant premonitions, before a 1.5 return of those to get the final cycle.
@@SeemsLikeSomething ok so disc has life cocoon, ps (x2 still?), dome, ult p, and rapture. Radiance is basically a revival in terms of healing. Compared to life cocoon and a triple nerfed revival 💀 time to level my disc and ditch the mw
And weak over all heals?
Supa is my tier list go to guy.
Cataclysm is better more simple game play and pvp can go a long way
zugzug
Why do we even listen to this guy lol guys play what you’re good at and stop class chasing
i dont see how feral is "extremely tanky". im a duelist feral for context
Tbh its not its tanky in bear when u do no damage but its defensies improved maybe 10% same as mm got small defensive improve. This guy just majorly exxagerates.
this a US Tier list? EU's alot diff :P
I dont know how you manage to get some «ret’s Are very easy» into every single video, its so cringe
arcane... A?
Can you leave mm hunger alone please let us live a little lol, how many expansions have it been ? We never see hunters in the AWC
Ive been going between Assassin and Feral. And last night I ran the SS with my Assassin. Won 5 of 6 rounds and got Killing Blow 5 times. I burst the Healer one round Hella fast and the paladin was like What happened 😂 I was like I just killed the healer. Then next round I burst the Pally and he was like holy hell.
Sounds busted
@@olsonbrandon91 Busting is my favorite part.
What’s the rotation / hero choice
@@Ohripski Gonna be honest I just Copied the Highest Rank player on Murloc io
which u prefer for 1v1s holding flags/carts? I feel like i cnt lose 1v1 on my feral. Havent played my rogue yet in solo bg.
Frost mage only "S" tier! now? :/
Buff arms please, no way it's c tier.. sharpen blade will always be op. but still needs buff
Can't get passed 1945 with sin rogue ,maybe I'm just to old 😅
Sounds broken, rating is super squished right now lol
@@olsonbrandon91 oh so I'm Gucci , I was trying to get the illusion but I kept getting brought down to 1700 I just left it at 1800s
Is blitz meta very different from this ? or similar ?
Kinda. MW monks are god tier for example. Mobility is much more important there.
arms in c tier what are you smoking bro
I would like a trap that roots every one in chains and does shadow damage if they move if they cast spells or try do samange as in chained so lance or caster and melee shadow damage half life damage and I feel you should be able to combo your traps mix match traps to do different things witch I feel that would be pretty cool I use Tar trap and a explosive trap why not spread fire all over my enemies and why won’t they revamp snake trap I miss doing poison damage to people and capitalize with cobra shot witch explodes makes more dots that be bad ass and why not give hunters a second invisible cloack and I new ability’s called ambush where there cc and can’t get out of the way just like a rope or net like the predictor and another trap they can fall in a hole y or can burst them in there blow them up forces them to use defense somthing . Lol
What would be a keybind friendly class?
Frost dk
Warrior, Dk, boomkin
Imagine putting dev below MM. Totally unhinged.
MM hunter is the cringiest class design; they should not be able to burst from stealth its an abomination in any bg; hope the class is gutted damage wise and the mastery should not increase range in PvP that is so stupid; or make them kickable; also their casts should cancel if you Los since they can't be kicked
BM hunter still unplayable
Dereck Wall
Blitz list update pls
What a joke...fury Warriors still being GOD. Be seriuos please..
Hey Supa, will you make an updated blitz tierlist?
It's actually disgusting how they destroy mistweaver monk. I can't even remember when caster monk was good ..probably back in mop and legion...u never see a caster monk in competitive arenas ... good hero class blizzard. What a joke....
Caster monk was S tier in dragon flight for a little while lmao.
@@zoovaado7759 lol good one..1 week..troll
Play it in bg and it is s tier best fc in the game now.
@@okiv99 unlucky...i dislike bgs..😂
@@markk.8485 Why is it bad in arena? just wondering? never played in arena but a i heard from everybody its bad. Is it because had to stand still to heal too much?
You sleeping on Demo bruh D is crazy lol
Its only good vs bots
anti rogue bias as usual supaqueef
All 3 rogues specs in god tier. Climb out of that classes ass for just 1 single season blizzard jesus christ
I will say as assassination I find it easier to out pace 1v1 sub rogue. But I see them getting smacked and cannot go toe to toe with a good Ret or Warrior like in season 1 of DF. Would not put them in God tier just from this alone.
MM god tier? Bruh
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Stop trying to get assassin nerfed!
We need the streamers to start calling out hunter /marksman. At low elo they are just ruining the game. It's also well known that one of the blizz devs plays one so they never have a bad season for pvp. Why do pve nurfs effect pvp ? Surely you just change one or the other depending how performance in each?
Well its been like this for over 10 years
Rogues damage is pure crap. Doing 30% of the other damage dealers.
MM is best in game and unkillable!? Thats a good joke. Frost mage, UDK, fury, ele shaman, dev evoker, affliction lock are all noticeably better. Edit: can’t forget WW monk!
I honestly believe SV is alot better than MM right now, more sustained damage which is also strong
@@jawadkhaled3796 SV feels like B tier to me. But more sustained damage is true. I don’t understand why all these content creators lie and say MM is super OP tho. They are easily killable, and their damage is pretty easy to shut down. They’re gonna get the spec nerfed into useless damage.
@@SIIKAP1they want all hunters nerfed , i have 584 ilvl with good pvp gear and enchants at 1700 mmr, i was getting trained hard yesterday in shuffle games , i hated it so much, on the hand, SV felt more natural and more control over bm and mm
True... DEATHastation evokers are just disgusting
MM dmg is cracked and it has an extra defensive. It’s not unkillable, supa is being hyperbolic there. It’s very good though.
Ele doesn’t really belong on your list - frost mage is much better than Ele.
bg bliz is full of bots
Rogues having 3 god tier specs is insane