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the captain name who safely landed this airplane is Tri Nursiyogo the video mentioned that the captain was fired from adamair, but this decision by adamair was a blessing in disguise now he work at the Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee the very organization that oversee the safety of Indonesia airlines
he landed the plane, but it was also his failure in the moment that got them lost. All he needed to do to figure out where he was is put the VOR in his headset and scan til he found one transmitting its ident in morse, look it up on the chart and he has direction to a location, and range if its a VOR-DME
The moment that flight attendant noticed that the sun was in the wrong position, he could have checked the magnetic compass, or checked the actual pitch instrument to show that they were actually turning right instead of going straight like the computer said. instead he dismissed them and covered the window up so they wouldn't see it. Obviously, that's safe enough for certain cultures, where a woman is considered worthless and ignorant. yep, PERFECTLY safe. Yes, he got the plane down safely. but he also made several stupid errors, including that.
It gives me chills when I think of the fact that had it been nighttime this whole story would have been very different most probably with everyone dead
Search Varig flight 254 on google and TH-cam. Brazil 1989 similar scenario but the flight was at dusk and ended up crashing deep in the Amazon jungle after running out of fuel as the pilots desperately tried to figure out where they were. The reason was an incorrect heading entered into the flight computer. Heading 0270 was interpreted as 270 degrees when it was 27 degrees. They ended up over 900 nautical miles off course.
It must have really sucked at the moment, but frankly, being fired from this crappy airline was a blessing in disguise. Hope the captain was able to find a job at another airline.
@@donnamcdonald-g8nactually Emmett said "who was she to question...surely they knew what they were doing and indeed the captain did have a solution" he didn't actually say she mentioned it but from what I've read about this flight she actually did speak up
The pilots name was Tri Nursiyogo. I was able to find that "After an incident in which an Adam Air aircraft landed 525 km (326 mi) away from its intended destination, the pilots blamed a malfunctioning navigation system. The airline claimed the equipment to be in good working order, and had the pilots arrested on charges of endangering passenger safety. The pilot spent nearly two months in jail, but was eventually cleared of all charges.
Similar to Varig flight 254 in Brazil in 1989 where an incorrect heading entered into the flight computer caused the plane to end up 920 nautical miles off course from their destination Belem. They weren’t as lucky as Adam Air pilots since the Varig flight was at dusk and soon lost sunlight while trying desperately to figure out where they were. They eventually ran out of fuel and had to ditch their aircraft. They ended up crashing deep in a remote area of the Amazon jungle. 12 of the 54 passengers and crew died while the remaining were rescued 2 days later as authorities struggled to figure out the location of the plane.
i've never heard about this incident before, i was relieved that they managed to land *somewhere* but i am dying to know what the reaction of the staff at the airport was seeing a random boeing 737 just land with no clearance, no radio contact, and no obvious emergency
A small airport that just doesn’t get large aircraft, then suddenly a random magical 737 APPEARS with no warning! Probs thought they were seeing things, someone slipped something into their food/drink, or they were going mad, then realising a 737 really DID land there!
I was thinking the same, and then I realized surly air traffic control just think they have no radios (I guess they didn't?). And didn't want to barrel into a major airport with no contact. But there might be no major airports around there anyway.
We use to have a Fokker 27 land at my hometown airport. My dad knows I’m a plane freak. So one day as it was flying by on landing my dad “What kind of plane is that joe ?” Me a Fokker 27 LoL
Oh my goodness! This video is a routine air mishap video, But there is nothing like how the narrator brought in an advertiser! 4:49 So clever - couldn’t stop laughing!! Couldn’t really get serious again after that ad and how the narrator integrated it into the story. Perfect! Wouldn’t mind ads ever if they were as clever as this! -lol
So stoked that they landed safely and everyone is ok. Initially after clicking on this latest video I assumed all lives would be lost to a horrific disaster. Good thing they were flying in clear skies and during the day! Thanks Green Dot for another great video!!
Welcome to Indonesian safety culture!!! I flat out refused to fly on any domestic carriers during that time period because of the endemic safety culture on pretty much most of the newly-formed carriers. Lion air had a reputation of being delayed, but you always ran the risk of being permanently delayed! Adam air was the latter. You weren't even guaranteed to be safe with the flag Carrier, Garuda (given my route of choice was CGK - JOG) Thankfully, after quite a signficant paradigm shift and being bollecked and humbled by the EU, flying in Indonesia is probably marginally safer than trying to navigate UK roads with inattentive drivers on their phones or drink driving.
@@matzmn If you fancied embezzling a buttload of cash, feel free to form an airline. Falsification of records and non-existent quality management systems was rife. There's also the culture that ex military pilots who joined commercial aviation had an unerring sense of confidence "because we've always done it that way" and were seen as untouchable. I've been around too many senior Indonesian flight crew to understand exactly why and how this could have happened! Maintenance didn't help the flight crew, and typically, the hierarchical nature of eastern culture gives a "what is crew resource management" mindset? Procedural adherance wasn't a commonly adapoted practice then. Thankfully, upon my most recent visit, my wife was staggered that the quaity of service and safety on public transport was so much better than back in the UK. I think she was impressed with Garuda vs her experience on BA and Easyjet. (although I did tell her there's a snobbish reason why I picked Garuda and not anything from the Lion Group)
@@talkingoyster No it doesnt. Excluding microstates the safest roads in the world are in Norway, and second place goes to Japan with 2 and 2,1 deaths per 100 000 people per year. The UK is lower on the list with 2,9 annual roads deaths per 100 000.
The amount of detail and not using drama to artificially bloat the video is amazing. You almost feel like you’re the pilot in real time. These videos give me a sense of anxiety that docudrama’s like “Mayday” ever could.
Excellent video and great production. I'm former airline operations (now retired) and I wasn't aware of this incidernt. You held my undivided attention from start to finnish!
33:45 To be completely fair, a PA that ends with "we're going to be trying to land safely on a runway we just spotted because we're hopelessly lost. Good luck everyone." is one of the absolute best emergency crisis PA announcements a Pilot could make. Considering they're landing on a RUNWAY. All things considered, they very well could have been somewhere over the Ocean while being completely lost and crashing into water instead of a runway.
Welcome to Indonesia!! Or Asian culture in general tbh. "I'm older/more senior hence I'm right" is the go-to argument whenever someone is presented with a possibility that they may be wrong by their juniors. If you go against your superior then, at best, you'll trigger a long rant about how kids nowadays don't respect their elders. This is very common here, especially in early 2000s and before. I still remember back in university I got sent out of the class by my prof because we had a disagreement. For context the class were discussing about who among the cabinet candidate is and isn't competent for their job. He mentioned that our then Communication and Information Minister candidate is one of the competent bunch. I disagreed, I mentioned that he had too little background on the IT field, and he'll probably get the chair to fulfill the "political contract" (idk the proper term) between his party and the elected president. My prof disagreed, got riled up, and his argument was, paraphrasing here, "you're wrong, he's competent because I've followed him from before you were born and he's from the east" (both him and my prof are from East Nusa). Found out days later that after that incident he spread gossip among his peers that I'm "a rebel who doesn't respect their elders and a racist". Fast forward a few years later the minister got arrested for corruption, and for the last ~10 years Kominfo has been filled with idiot politicians and ex-military guys who don't know how to restart their PC and scroll their phone with their index finger. So F you, Mr. Edo, I'm right. Thankfully this strict, rigid, outdated hierarchical/seniority culture is getting fought back by Gen Zs. Edit: To clarify, Johnny G Plate being from East Nusa had nothing to do with me saying he's not competent enough for the job.
If you are cabin crew or a knowledgeable passenger, please say something if you see something you don't like, such as a leak, ice on the wings, funny noise or smell, or if the passenger info system is showing strange imfo. I'm a pilot and I appreciate it. I've been saved by cabin crew pointing out that the remaining flight time on the passenger map was wrong. We were following the correct route but the approach had been programmed twice so we weren't getting any advice to descend. We would not have crashed or run out of fuel but would had not met some altitude limitations and ATC would be unhappy.
This! I don't fly much, but when I did I was always very nervous & I watch many of these flight accidents & it always completely baffles me why many passengers won't @ the very least say something to cabin crew or even get up & possibly attempt to convey a message to the pilots if they notice a glaring "deficiency." Since 9/11 that door to the cockpit is like a bank vault, I guess...but it's not like pilots have a rear-view mirror to see if the cowling on an engine peels off mid-air, or God knows what else! But thankfully your comment tells me this sometime *does* occur....that's good to know.
Aloha flt 243. The roof of the 737 ripped off and 1 died. Before take off a passenger saw rust and metal separating as She was boarding. She didn’t tell anyone
My question is, why don't they put cams on the outside of the planes engines, wings etc kinda like NASA does on shuttles. To see what's all going on outside the aircraft too. I think they're should ALSO be cameras in seating section. Too many ppl act a fool on planes, & a recording helps with prosecution
Since they were flying over land, just squawk 7700 and declare Mayday on 121.5. Some controller will pick up your signal, and provide radar vectors to the nearest suitable airport. It’s embarrassing, but much better than ditching or forced landing.
It's really rare to history of plane accident or crash to carry me away so bad, but this time I watched with hitched breath, I didn't really know that AdamAir had positive stories, I thought it's another retold of crash 574 (mostly because of similar problem with INS). Great video, thanks for all.
Another amazing video, GDA! You're a unique presence on TH-cam for sure, the level of care for the details in all aspects of your videos is just remarkable. A bit of an anecdotal side note, but the more I learn about aviation from your videos, the more I can trust the hard work of pilots and flight crew (it definitely is a bit scarier knowing how things go wrong too, lol) wow, though, their jobs require so much more work than I ever would've known. Makes me appreciate the safe landings even more! Thanks for shedding an honest light on the good, and sometimes bad, history of flight.
You can see why all indonesian airlines were banned in the EU. It wasn't just a problem with AdamAir maintenance. The pilots didn't notice the f-in sun was in the wrong place, the ATC wasn't trained on how to do their job, ATC systems were set improperly. A complete mess.
@@PInk77W1 a380? You mean that time when it suffered an engine failure and made an emergency landing? Both the A380 and the A340 never suffered a deadly accident in any airline. You coping much?
Yes. Having flown this route many times before, the crew should have spotted that immediately. "Hey Captain, we're headed east, right? So why is the sun lighting up the port side of the aircraft."
Oh, hey, let’s just look out the window where the sun is f-ing screaming at us. Incompetence like this flying a commercial aircraft is beyond my imagination.
The pilot wasn't focusing on the sun. They were flying IFR and instruments were showing normal. The pilot took the comment (it was probably intended this way, too) as needing to cover up the window.
This one is a living nightmare! Can't tell you how stressed I felt for the pilots and passengers! So pleased the conclusion was the best it could be, everyone survived!
As someone who watched the video of AdamAir Flight 574, I've been waiting for a video on this particular flight as it was mentioned in that very video.
This is the sad truth about aviation. Whenever an aircraft incident happened, the first to blame is the pilot. Adam Air didn't even considered that the Captain and the F/O was the one who saved all the lives onboard from ditching the aircraft, (saved them thousands of dollars for breaking a plane), and they were the one who managed to find an airfield to land at.
Yeah, but they also should have been warned by the sun position and checked the compass much earlier, then they would have still been in range of ATC and would have got help.
@@doyourclanwars You think it's insane that pilots checked their true reference when they had indications of nav failure? That seems otherworldly to you?
When you are flying IFR you kind of disregard the outside references, if you realise somethings odd then it would make sense to look for visual cues such as ground references, the sun position and such, if the instruments seem to be working fine, no need to be looking at the sun or the compass, most pilots would have been caugth in this one!
Sucks to think that the pilot lost his job when this mostly wasn’t his fault, however had he stayed with Adam Air he could have found himself in an even more dangerous situation.
Hope you like it! It took a good while to research and create this one, as there's very little about the incident online, just a rather sparse final report.
@@GreenDotAviation loved the video and as usual amazed by the effort you put into these, essentially free, documentaries. BBC and Nat Geo can truly learn a thing or two from you
It's heartening to know the captain landed the plane safely at Sumba, 500 km off course, the passengers safe and sound, yet was unjustly fired by Adam Air. Two years later, they went bankrupt. That's karma for you. Adam Air's safety record was appallingly bad. I hope the pilot got a job with another airline. Thanks for this video! 😊🙏🏻❤️🛫
Looks like the pilot was made a scapegoat by senior management to cover for their safety failings and cutting corners. However, it didn't work out for them with the airline going bust later. The one thing the pilots should maybe have spotted though was the position of the sun telling them they weren't flying due East as they should have been. Happened to me once in a car during sunset when we were meant to be heading south on a return journey. Everyone was busy chatting away thinking they'd be home soon. However, I spotted the sun was on the left so we had taken a wrong turning and were actually heading North!
@@bluteyThe trainee flight attendant literally pointed out to them directly that the sun was in the wrong position. And they totally ignored them. a more reputable airline might have pointed that out to them right before firing them for the incident. scapegoat, nothing. he shouldn't be a transportation safety advisor now considering that.
@@frankfuller975 It's left vague in the video whether the attendant told the pilots about the sun's position or felt too intimated and only mentioned it afterwards in the subsequent investigation. But as I said, regardless, they should have noticed it themselves. As for the rest of your post, you're not saying the management were entirely blameless in the whole incident are you? There are numerous sources detailing bad safety practice at the airline being pointed out by pilots but ingnored by the management. Evidence gathered during this incident and a subsequent accident investigation conducted by the NTSC showed repeated IRS malfunctions that went unresolved for many months.
@@blutey no, I am not saying they were blameless. The condition of the plane was deplorable and they deserve to have the book book thrown at them. for that. I'm just saying that the pilot was not 'safe' or knowledgeable enough to fly the plane, much less be in the safety board. and yes, the trainee mentioned it, it was specifically stated that them mentioning it was why the pilot put a piece of paper over the window so they would pay attention to him and not look at it. that is why I consider it an issue and a major failing on the pilot's part.
Captain did a great job of landing it safely to save all of those on board, was putting in efforts to find where they were, hard to say whether it was his mistake because of the iru switch and was hard to notice little bit of bank when you are far up in the sky.
@@carnthecorby yeah, that's pretty clear, knowing the history of this airline. But the investigation apparently dug deeper into their practices, so I'd have expected some clarity to come from that.
They did a mistake to not use classic compass practically in whole time when they noticed this issue. However they should be retrained to handle such issues and and to (almost) always follow the checklists, instead of firing them.
@Shadowwand You're absolutely correct. We need pilots who stall their aircraft believing their senses instead of their instruments. Just like the crew on Air France 447.
He needs to pilot kites and not passenger lives. Same thing with Lost over the Amazon.. look out your window at the sun . Adam air is from the most politically corrupt oligarchy of Indonesia... And it's demise saved thousands of lives.
Amazing work? Seriously? Both pilots utterly failed at navigating the plane even after the most trustworthy instrument -- the compass -- told them they were flying in the wrong direction, not to mention that the sun was in the wrong position. Their complete trust in the [faulty] computer management system, the sheer disregard of the basic facts pointing to the wrong heading and failing to recall their basic training in navigation (always go with what you know) that nearly got them and the passengers killed is not something that can be called "amazing work" in anyone's book. And then, even when they finally realized that something was very wrong, they continued flying in the same direction that took them further and further away from civilization. That's the definition of stupidity -- doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Yes, finding the short runway to land on was nothing short of a miracle or a divine intervention, and the pilots cannot be credited with this lucky discovery. Both pilots should have been banned from flying forever.
@@sovietsky5039 Don't be a troll. The simple logic is that all those people would have been dead if it weren't for that sudden runway in the middle of nowhere.
Fantastic video. I've been bingeing the videos on your channel for just over a week now & I'm so impressed every time at how well you relay the information, edit the videos, and explain really technical aviation jargon in layman's terms. excited to see you upload more:)
It was his job to navigate correctly. Reminds me of the Varig incident where the pilots flew into the setting sun (west) thinking they were flying North.
It's Adamairs fault for not having planes that work properly. It's Adamairs fault that they didn't have a navigation system that actually worked. What did you want the captain to do? magically know every inch of the earth so he knew exactly where he was at every second, without a proper navigation system? Everything told him he was on the right track, except that compass. He didn't think he was that far off, cause the systems all told him that it was fine. Yes, that one person said something was off, and he should've seen that, but he thought it was fine cause the navigation system was telling him it was fine.
I understand the point, but pilots weren't responding adequately either. They should have been alerted to the navigation as soon as the plane began turning right, despite there being no right turns on the way to the waypoint. It's aviate, NAVIGATE and communicate. They didn't navigate the plane until it was too late. It was only a case of luck that they found a runway
Knowing some similar airlines, that is a cultural response rather than a fact based result of a safety audit,, this is part of the problem of course. In reality, these guys should have been educating the other crews, with the support of the engineering department to prevent a re-occurrence
It's so silly to see how many accidents happened just after a critical piece of the airplane was replaced and “it seemed to work on the ground”. Just crazy to me that the pilots just forget that something which was just replaced might not work.
Wow. I was speechless the entire video. Twists and turns (literally) throughout the flight that made this thrilling story. And who better to document it then green dot himself. Amazing video!
Can’t believe the captain got fired for that. There’s probably a little blame on both ends but any sort of fault with the aircraft with that dire of consequences should never be fully put on the pilot
Another really good video. Clicked on it as soon as i saw it, really creepy how IRS2 told them they were on course, when they were anything but. I really commend the junior flight attendant who pointed out the sun on the left instead of in front.
I like how this terrifying incident is only covered in one paragraph in wiki. Kinda showed that in every "small" incident, it can actually be very scary and could ended up way worse.
121.5? Squawk 7700 or 7600? How did they not manage to get in touch with tower at the airport they landed at? Or any other airfield they passed within radio distance of?
Bro, why was the pilot fired? I mean AdamAir is gotta be the one at fault. Like, why are the aircraft not fixed? Why was they putting pressure to the pilot to use an aircraft thats not fixed? Why?????
It was still the pilot's job to navigate the plane and knowing where they are. Still, the airline should've been accused of these troubles much earlier.
@@bonzobonanza with a faulty iru that the pilot didnt know, how could the pilot possibly know the place if the computer was telling him the wrong place
Reminds me of the Varig flight from Sao Paulo to Belem. They ended up crash landing in the amazon. Both could have been avoided if the pilots followed the oldest "gps" known to man kind, the sun.
What is not explained is how switching to the second inertial navigation unit did not correct the position data on the displays, nor why the first officer's display suddenly came back to life.
Why didn't they use the magnet compass? They could even have used the sun's position to make sure it is working correctly. So they could have back tracked their approximate position and decided on a path that should bring them near land/near a radio beacon. Also, there should be a safety measure to ensure that planes can contact nearby planes and controllers, like an emergency broadcast.
@@tomstravels520 but any plane in range listening to 121.5 will hear it, and they can give you the frequency of their tower. So you will at least find SOME tower that is likely able to see you. Squawk ident. If you show up, congrats. If not, next frequency.
Yeah that was what I was thinking the entire time. Go emergency frequency and request any tower frequencies nearby. Then run down and see who doesn't respond to figure out where they aren't.
"the cabin crew member noticed it but didn't say anything because surely the pilots know what they're doing" so.... another case of "this could've been prevented if the cabin crew said something they noticed"
I've been saved by a flight attendant who spoke up about strange info on the passenger map display. Not at serious as this but would have been embarrassing.
Once as a passenger I noticed one small damage visible on a wing. Due to my aerodynamic and aircraft knowledge I know that wasn't a big issue to bother any crew member at the time of critical phase of flight, so I wait to full stop and to be last passenger. Flight attendants took me and my phone video to the captain, but she didn't care...
@@norbert.kiszka Okay? So you knew that it wasn't anything worth worrying about, and now they know it exists, but like you are all so not worried about it.
@@thedemolitionmuniciple nah, they told me, they didn't see damage on a video. IMHO they lied to me. Nothing big, but there was small damage clearly visible.
When they saw that the old fashioned compass was showing them flying southwest you'd think they would have made a left turn to get somewhere near the right track and pick up a beacon.
Couldn't agree more, my flight instructor taught me to better approach high and overshoot the runway going 30 - 40 knots than fall before the runway!!!
@@noneofyourbusiness5074 my dad ran a a300 off the runway for fed ex. lol. He didn’t get reprimanded bc it wasn’t his fault and actually saved the plane.
To be honest, there is no such thing as "landing on the water". Its just "crashing in the water". I havent seen a single plane "land" on water in any video of these channels. Mostly, the plane crashes and disintegrates into several pieces, and some people may survive based on the severity of the crash and other circumstances. But "a plane landing on water" is just a myth.
well technically, the "belief order" is : What you see outside of the window first and foremost (but not always possible due to weather), then instruments. And never trust your senses, because falling prey to sensory illusion is deadly. In their case, they didn't understand what they saw out of the window, and thus were completely lost. Instrument failures are deadly in aviation, that is why redundancy and good maintenance procedures are paramount. But as you saw, neither were available to thoses pilots
@@Taletad You right man. I understand what you are saying. Having to look outside with your senses ain't the best thing. I think Adam Air knew they had to do some maintenance and more safety trainings, but why are they avoiding them? It's just make no sense But if a sensor ain't working, such as the APU or gyroscope or IRS, isn't it possible to use a third party such as your phone just in case there's no way of resetting/solving the malfunctions?🤔
@@OratileTrusts Firstly phones weren't as sophisticated back then Secondly phones don't work at high altitudes, because there are no cell towers up there nowadays, GPS will tell you that you are off course, which is conviniently integrated in the plane However in that situation, what should have happened is for the plane to be grounded until the navigational fault was understood and fixed. But that's not the only thing : if ATC had been properly trained or the ATC system properly installed or the pilots properly trained, the incident wouldn't have happened either In fact this was a very unfortunate series of event that led to this. And we have to be happy that no one died that day. But we also have to rekon that any of theses faults probably happened on the daily, however as it was only one fault and not all of them at the same time, things got back to where they should have
The problem with “budget” flights or budgets product companies that seem to make things far cheaper than competitors, is that they aren’t doing so because of a closely held secret or because other companies are corrupt. They are trying to grow my volume and hope their costs stay as fixed as possible but eventually more variable costs catch up such as maintenance, hiring new employees, buying new inventory, building infrastructure, giving raises, etc. To keep this pace a shortcut is made. Either stop growing, raise prices considerably, or cut costs. Sometimes, unfortunately, maintenance is the cost that’s cut.
That ATC where Flight 782 land must be very surprised and confused as to where does the B737 came from and just somehow landed on their runway, kudos to the Captain, he would be awarded instead of getting fired
I want to thank you so so much for your videos they are fantastic and a perfect presentation. Keep up the hard work it takes. Long live green aviation.
- Hey, the *Sun* is telling you you're flying in the wrong direction! - Nah, I have a pile of electronics here telling me otherwise, shut up! Who let those clowns into the cockpit?
@@Phiyedough without acknowledging the issue the mere thought of calculating anything hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing their minds. You noticed that the captain's only reaction to the sun being in the wrong place was to put the sun out of mind by covering the window with paper, didn't you?
The flight attendant that noticed that the plane was going off-course through the sun's position should've been given a raise. That is some astounding perception.
I think that is slightly misrepresented in this video. The flight attendant didn't say that or anything like it, just noticed that the sun was in their eyes when they came in for their test
Your narration is on point and each video sends chills down my back. Well done sir, the work you do is really important for the aviation community. Safe skies!
@@jamesm3471 Pls don't be to harsh to me. I am no expert. I just love his videos and that's just the phrase that came into my mind at the time. I don't even think there is such a thing in the kitchen on an airplane. 😅
@@LaunchKaffeeSorry, was just kidding. Your point is actually a valid one, and you’ll be happy to know that nowadays, nearly all respectable airlines in the Western world teach their people the importance of Crew Resource Management - where, regardless of rank or station on the flightdeck or in the cabin, you listen to your other crew members, delegate tasks, and work together, so that if a new hire, trainee flight attendant notices something unusual - in this case the sun’s position, she should feel comfortable mentioning it to even the most senior captain, and that captain will listen and take it under advisement. It’s really one of the biggest reasons commercial air travel has become so safe!
What an absolutely incredible stroke of luck that the pilots were able to find an airport and land safely. And he got fired because the company he worked for broke his plane. Talk about injustice!
Normally I would think the captain is part of the problem since it never occurred to them to use any of the VOR beacons along their route or their compass until they were well out of range. However given 3 other incidents of Adam Air including one where the captain was never trained to recover from unusual bank angles, I'm inclined to think any of the captain's faults were a result of company training. Given the state of training for this captain's co-workers, it's a miracle he landed the plane without crashing into the sea or a plane on the runway he aimed at.
Stunning incompetence. First thing anyone does when theyre lost travelling on foot, car, horse, boat...is to look for where the sun is. These pilots shouldnt even have a license to drive a bus. Also, why wouldnt airlines have a sat phone on board?
Wondering the same thing. VHF has relatively limited range, but surely the atc where they landed would be monitoring 121.5, and would at least have given them a warning about what was about to happen!
There were many things they could have done to rectify the situation that didn't involve landing a big bird on a small runway totally out of contact with the ground.
If I had a nickel for every time the pilots of a lost flight failed to notice/care about the fact that the sun wasn't in the direction it was supposed to be, I'd have two nickels. Not a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Reminds me how deck officers on ships are still required to learn celestial navigation and regularly take and check the ship's position against the chronometer and stars.
Maybe this is my ignorance talking but why didn't he make a Mayday call on guard, flash ident, squawk an emergency code - anything to let someone on the ground know there's a problem? Even why he kept flying south confuses me. Surely once they saw their magnetic heading was SSE, and the Sun's position confirmed that, they should have at least resumed their original heading?
I was also thinking why didn't they squawk an emergency code!! Surely somebody somewhere would have noticed this and possibly helped them out? Baffling!
Agree on pride.. I assume the reason they were able to contact other aircraft and not Makkasar ground is because of height. But wonder if they saw any other aircraft ok their radar?
There were two additional tools not mentioned which leaves me baffled if/why they didn’t use them? First, squawk 7700. This is the aviation standard transponder code - at least in the US - for general emergency. Any radar in range would pick this up as a priority, and get a controller’s attention. Second, declare mayday on 121.5 - again maybe this is just the US - but that’s the guard frequency used specifically for emergencies. Like a 7700 transponder code, a mayday call on 121.5 would immediately get the attention of nearly any manned ground stations in range of the aircraft.
It is not clear if from the video what they did as they were contacting planes so may be they were using this frequency and had sqwaked 7700. The issue is their instrument were lying to them and to other as what the ATC see is what the transponder send (unless use a primary radar which I think is not used normally)
@@mata2723 What? Primary radar is absolutely used, I mean, that's the whole point of radar! Only recently has there been a push to move from primary radar to ADSB self reporting of location.
Pilots flies and lands a plane with no navigational instruments, no casualties and gets the sack? Only for the same airline to have one of the other aircraft crash, Nah their board should've been jailed
Well, they should't have gotten that close to idaster in the first place. The should have noticed the sun position and checked the compass much earlier. Then they would have still been in range of ATC and got help. Anyways being fired from that terrible airline was probably a blessing.
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Your videos are fantastic!
Just out of curiosity, why did not they use 121.5 for contacting other ATCs. I've heard that being used in other documentaries.
@@hasithmalika Yes, it's strange that they didn't use the emergency frequency or squawk code 7700...
the captain name who safely landed this airplane is Tri Nursiyogo
the video mentioned that the captain was fired from adamair,
but this decision by adamair was a blessing in disguise
now he work at the Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee
the very organization that oversee the safety of Indonesia airlines
Smart move by the INTSC ..it shows commitment to a safety culture.
I've did a little bit of searching and some result shows that the name of the pilot is Tri Tuniogo
he landed the plane, but it was also his failure in the moment that got them lost. All he needed to do to figure out where he was is put the VOR in his headset and scan til he found one transmitting its ident in morse, look it up on the chart and he has direction to a location, and range if its a VOR-DME
The moment that flight attendant noticed that the sun was in the wrong position, he could have checked the magnetic compass, or checked the actual pitch instrument to show that they were actually turning right instead of going straight like the computer said. instead he dismissed them and covered the window up so they wouldn't see it. Obviously, that's safe enough for certain cultures, where a woman is considered worthless and ignorant.
yep, PERFECTLY safe. Yes, he got the plane down safely. but he also made several stupid errors, including that.
Good to know
It gives me chills when I think of the fact that had it been nighttime this whole story would have been very different most probably with everyone dead
They were so lucky they could see. Easily could have been so much worse at night
A lot of accidents become tragic because they couldn't see. Conflicting instruments, Nighttime, fog
Even some cloudy weather would have probably caused everyone to perish. They got 'lucky' with that visual of that runway.
I thought the same thing. The daylight probably meant the difference between a safe landing and a grave catastrophe.
Search Varig flight 254 on google and TH-cam. Brazil 1989 similar scenario but the flight was at dusk and ended up crashing deep in the Amazon jungle after running out of fuel as the pilots desperately tried to figure out where they were. The reason was an incorrect heading entered into the flight computer. Heading 0270 was interpreted as 270 degrees when it was 27 degrees. They ended up over 900 nautical miles off course.
Imagine being that ATC who has never seen a big plane at their airport a 737 descending without any clearance.
…who never saw a big…
...Who never saw a big...
... CHUNGUS
🤣 sure must have been a hell of a shock.
Why captain was fired ? He saved the air craft and the passengers.
@@khanimaniaAdamair was very corrupted
It must have really sucked at the moment, but frankly, being fired from this crappy airline was a blessing in disguise. Hope the captain was able to find a job at another airline.
Was it a blessing in disguise or... A Blessing in the Skies 😏
@@silenttoxic707🥁
apparently he went on to work for the KNKT, Indonesia's transportation safety agency.
@@lurkingstar Very fitting.
@@autoteleologyactually I think he would be a good candidate for the position. He certainly discovered just how screwed up systems can be!
I really liked how the trainee knew something was wrong, due to the position on the Sun in the windows.
And of course because the big-headed captain thought he knew best, he ignored her!
@@donnamcdonald-g8n I don't think she spoke up at all, actually, because she assumed it wasn't her place.
@@hassassinator8858 No, it said in the story that she did mention it and that the captain put some paper over the window.
Me too and I DISliked the captains genius response to her intelligent inquiry
@@donnamcdonald-g8nactually Emmett said "who was she to question...surely they knew what they were doing and indeed the captain did have a solution" he didn't actually say she mentioned it but from what I've read about this flight she actually did speak up
I guess you could say Adamair 782 was the first flight to introduce a mystery destination?
😂
that’s hilarious😂
Mystery airport. Varig 254 flew into a mystery jungle
@@BeniBelaand to top it off, everyone freaking survived
Hahaha
This happened and Adam Air didn't care. It didn't prevent 102 people from perishing the next year
They even fired the captain which prevented the deaths of everyone on board
wow 😬
You see this is why they where banned from flying in EU airspace.
American here.......Ryan Air isn't a rebranded Adam Air is it?
@@geechisuede98 No. Adam Air went out in 08', and Ryan Air was founded in '84.
The pilots name was Tri Nursiyogo. I was able to find that "After an incident in which an Adam Air aircraft landed 525 km (326 mi) away from its intended destination, the pilots blamed a malfunctioning navigation system. The airline claimed the equipment to be in good working order, and had the pilots arrested on charges of endangering passenger safety.
The pilot spent nearly two months in jail, but was eventually cleared of all charges.
i trust that the pilots were professional in their conduct, but the equipment malfunctioned. It seems they waited too long to declare MAYDAY
@@pete614 Declare a mayday to who? They couldn't get in contact with ATC
Similar to Varig flight 254 in Brazil in 1989 where an incorrect heading entered into the flight computer caused the plane to end up 920 nautical miles off course from their destination Belem. They weren’t as lucky as Adam Air pilots since the Varig flight was at dusk and soon lost sunlight while trying desperately to figure out where they were.
They eventually ran out of fuel and had to ditch their aircraft. They ended up crashing deep in a remote area of the Amazon jungle. 12 of the 54 passengers and crew died while the remaining were rescued 2 days later as authorities struggled to figure out the location of the plane.
i've never heard about this incident before, i was relieved that they managed to land *somewhere* but i am dying to know what the reaction of the staff at the airport was seeing a random boeing 737 just land with no clearance, no radio contact, and no obvious emergency
A small airport that just doesn’t get large aircraft, then suddenly a random magical 737 APPEARS with no warning! Probs thought they were seeing things, someone slipped something into their food/drink, or they were going mad, then realising a 737 really DID land there!
@@ZombieSazza like how did THAT conversation go when they reached the gates lol
They might think it was a hijacked plane or some sort of secret military operation or something.
@@zeinaaaaaa7468 "What the hell are you doing landing that thing here?"
"Uh where's 'here' exactly?"
I was thinking the same, and then I realized surly air traffic control just think they have no radios (I guess they didn't?). And didn't want to barrel into a major airport with no contact. But there might be no major airports around there anyway.
34:28 "The biggest aircraft which regularly landed there, was the F**ker-28" caught me off-guard
We use to have a Fokker 27 land at my hometown airport. My dad knows I’m a plane freak. So one day as it was flying by on landing my dad
“What kind of plane is that joe ?”
Me a Fokker 27
LoL
Should watch Stan Boardman and Des O'Connor the Fokker joke 😂😂
Them fookers aren't very big. But they get the job done.
I’m just glad this didn’t result in a crash. I’ve watched all 23 seasons of Mayday and for some reason I needed an ending where everyone survives
I think Indonesia features in more Mayday episodes than any other country, except the US.
@@Rob1-hbgtdd73This reply is fact-checked by real Mayday viewers
Ethopian airlines holds the record in my view.
@@Rob1-hbgtdd73 Malasia might be even worse.
I can’t do the theatrics of mayday
29:52 - Imagine summoning a passenger to enter into the cockpit to ask, "Do you recognise the terrain below?". 😂😂😂🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽
Oh my goodness! This video is a routine air mishap video, But there is nothing like how the narrator brought in an advertiser! 4:49 So clever - couldn’t stop laughing!! Couldn’t really get serious again after that ad and how the narrator integrated it into the story. Perfect! Wouldn’t mind ads ever if they were as clever as this! -lol
So stoked that they landed safely and everyone is ok. Initially after clicking on this latest video I assumed all lives would be lost to a horrific disaster. Good thing they were flying in clear skies and during the day! Thanks Green Dot for another great video!!
Welcome to Indonesian safety culture!!! I flat out refused to fly on any domestic carriers during that time period because of the endemic safety culture on pretty much most of the newly-formed carriers. Lion air had a reputation of being delayed, but you always ran the risk of being permanently delayed! Adam air was the latter. You weren't even guaranteed to be safe with the flag Carrier, Garuda (given my route of choice was CGK - JOG)
Thankfully, after quite a signficant paradigm shift and being bollecked and humbled by the EU, flying in Indonesia is probably marginally safer than trying to navigate UK roads with inattentive drivers on their phones or drink driving.
It has changed, but it cripled Garuda in order to weed out the bad ones & put them on the EUs black list...
I feel that in Indonesia, any Tom, Dick and Harry can operate an airlines. Quite scary.
@@matzmn If you fancied embezzling a buttload of cash, feel free to form an airline. Falsification of records and non-existent quality management systems was rife.
There's also the culture that ex military pilots who joined commercial aviation had an unerring sense of confidence "because we've always done it that way" and were seen as untouchable. I've been around too many senior Indonesian flight crew to understand exactly why and how this could have happened! Maintenance didn't help the flight crew, and typically, the hierarchical nature of eastern culture gives a "what is crew resource management" mindset? Procedural adherance wasn't a commonly adapoted practice then.
Thankfully, upon my most recent visit, my wife was staggered that the quaity of service and safety on public transport was so much better than back in the UK. I think she was impressed with Garuda vs her experience on BA and Easyjet. (although I did tell her there's a snobbish reason why I picked Garuda and not anything from the Lion Group)
UK has some of the safest roads in the world
@@talkingoyster No it doesnt. Excluding microstates the safest roads in the world are in Norway, and second place goes to Japan with 2 and 2,1 deaths per 100 000 people per year. The UK is lower on the list with 2,9 annual roads deaths per 100 000.
The amount of detail and not using drama to artificially bloat the video is amazing. You almost feel like you’re the pilot in real time. These videos give me a sense of anxiety that docudrama’s like “Mayday” ever could.
Thank you so much for the content I've been waiting patiently... Best of luck to you, I hope you're doing well.
Thank so much, glad you're enjoying it :)
@@GreenDotAviation you really are the goat
@@housemana
He's the rhino
Excellent video and great production. I'm former airline operations (now retired) and I wasn't aware of this incidernt. You held my undivided attention from start to finnish!
33:45 To be completely fair, a PA that ends with "we're going to be trying to land safely on a runway we just spotted because we're hopelessly lost. Good luck everyone." is one of the absolute best emergency crisis PA announcements a Pilot could make. Considering they're landing on a RUNWAY. All things considered, they very well could have been somewhere over the Ocean while being completely lost and crashing into water instead of a runway.
Idk about best but definitely one you can appreciate after everything worked out
It saddens me when someone who’s not in the same “level” or position as someone feels like they can’t speak up because they’re “inferior”
Welcome to Indonesia!! Or Asian culture in general tbh. "I'm older/more senior hence I'm right" is the go-to argument whenever someone is presented with a possibility that they may be wrong by their juniors. If you go against your superior then, at best, you'll trigger a long rant about how kids nowadays don't respect their elders. This is very common here, especially in early 2000s and before.
I still remember back in university I got sent out of the class by my prof because we had a disagreement. For context the class were discussing about who among the cabinet candidate is and isn't competent for their job. He mentioned that our then Communication and Information Minister candidate is one of the competent bunch. I disagreed, I mentioned that he had too little background on the IT field, and he'll probably get the chair to fulfill the "political contract" (idk the proper term) between his party and the elected president. My prof disagreed, got riled up, and his argument was, paraphrasing here, "you're wrong, he's competent because I've followed him from before you were born and he's from the east" (both him and my prof are from East Nusa). Found out days later that after that incident he spread gossip among his peers that I'm "a rebel who doesn't respect their elders and a racist". Fast forward a few years later the minister got arrested for corruption, and for the last ~10 years Kominfo has been filled with idiot politicians and ex-military guys who don't know how to restart their PC and scroll their phone with their index finger. So F you, Mr. Edo, I'm right.
Thankfully this strict, rigid, outdated hierarchical/seniority culture is getting fought back by Gen Zs.
Edit: To clarify, Johnny G Plate being from East Nusa had nothing to do with me saying he's not competent enough for the job.
That has killed many people, including causing several big airliners to crash.
Should be a prerequisite to any crew member whatsoever, the ability to speak up
Asian hierarchical culture from East Asia down to SEA.
Bro your vids are amazing
Oh maaan!!!
If you are cabin crew or a knowledgeable passenger, please say something if you see something you don't like, such as a leak, ice on the wings, funny noise or smell, or if the passenger info system is showing strange imfo. I'm a pilot and I appreciate it. I've been saved by cabin crew pointing out that the remaining flight time on the passenger map was wrong. We were following the correct route but the approach had been programmed twice so we weren't getting any advice to descend. We would not have crashed or run out of fuel but would had not met some altitude limitations and ATC would be unhappy.
Interesting, since this one (error) seemingly happens all the time
This! I don't fly much, but when I did I was always very nervous & I watch many of these flight accidents & it always completely baffles me why many passengers won't @ the very least say something to cabin crew or even get up & possibly attempt to convey a message to the pilots if they notice a glaring "deficiency." Since 9/11 that door to the cockpit is like a bank vault, I guess...but it's not like pilots have a rear-view mirror to see if the cowling on an engine peels off mid-air, or God knows what else! But thankfully your comment tells me this sometime *does* occur....that's good to know.
Aloha flt 243. The roof of the 737 ripped off and 1 died. Before take off a passenger saw rust and metal separating as She was boarding. She didn’t tell anyone
My question is, why don't they put cams on the outside of the planes engines, wings etc kinda like NASA does on shuttles. To see what's all going on outside the aircraft too. I think they're should ALSO be cameras in seating section. Too many ppl act a fool on planes, & a recording helps with prosecution
@@cail171 I've had this thought so many times and I do really believe this could be a million-dollar business idea
Another banger from the best youtube channel
The music in this is so good! Listening with headphones is a real pleasure!
Glad you like it!
Since they were flying over land, just squawk 7700 and declare Mayday on 121.5. Some controller will pick up your signal, and provide radar vectors to the nearest suitable airport. It’s embarrassing, but much better than ditching or forced landing.
Does that exist in Indonesia?
@@mark123655 It's an international standard defined by International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)
It's really rare to history of plane accident or crash to carry me away so bad, but this time I watched with hitched breath, I didn't really know that AdamAir had positive stories, I thought it's another retold of crash 574 (mostly because of similar problem with INS). Great video, thanks for all.
It might not have ended so well if it had been at night…
@@GreenDotAviation Other Adamair failed even in daytime...
Another amazing video, GDA! You're a unique presence on TH-cam for sure, the level of care for the details in all aspects of your videos is just remarkable. A bit of an anecdotal side note, but the more I learn about aviation from your videos, the more I can trust the hard work of pilots and flight crew (it definitely is a bit scarier knowing how things go wrong too, lol) wow, though, their jobs require so much more work than I ever would've known. Makes me appreciate the safe landings even more! Thanks for shedding an honest light on the good, and sometimes bad, history of flight.
You can see why all indonesian airlines were banned in the EU. It wasn't just a problem with AdamAir maintenance. The pilots didn't notice the f-in sun was in the wrong place, the ATC wasn't trained on how to do their job, ATC systems were set improperly. A complete mess.
Air France crashed
A320
A330
A340
A380
Not banned by EU
@@PInk77W1 a380? You mean that time when it suffered an engine failure and made an emergency landing? Both the A380 and the A340 never suffered a deadly accident in any airline. You coping much?
Yes. Having flown this route many times before, the crew should have spotted that immediately. "Hey Captain, we're headed east, right? So why is the sun lighting up the port side of the aircraft."
Oh, hey, let’s just look out the window where the sun is f-ing screaming at us. Incompetence like this flying a commercial aircraft is beyond my imagination.
The pilot wasn't focusing on the sun. They were flying IFR and instruments were showing normal.
The pilot took the comment (it was probably intended this way, too) as needing to cover up the window.
This one is a living nightmare! Can't tell you how stressed I felt for the pilots and passengers! So pleased the conclusion was the best it could be, everyone survived!
As someone who watched the video of AdamAir Flight 574, I've been waiting for a video on this particular flight as it was mentioned in that very video.
Yes same
This is the sad truth about aviation. Whenever an aircraft incident happened, the first to blame is the pilot. Adam Air didn't even considered that the Captain and the F/O was the one who saved all the lives onboard from ditching the aircraft, (saved them thousands of dollars for breaking a plane), and they were the one who managed to find an airfield to land at.
Yeah, but they also should have been warned by the sun position and checked the compass much earlier, then they would have still been in range of ATC and would have got help.
@@shrimpflea they were trained to trust their equipment and the compass was so rarely used that it was insane that they even checked it
@@doyourclanwars You think it's insane that pilots checked their true reference when they had indications of nav failure? That seems otherworldly to you?
When you are flying IFR you kind of disregard the outside references, if you realise somethings odd then it would make sense to look for visual cues such as ground references, the sun position and such, if the instruments seem to be working fine, no need to be looking at the sun or the compass, most pilots would have been caugth in this one!
@@noneofyourbusiness5074 No professional pilots would have been "caught in this one". Signed an airline pilot.
Sucks to think that the pilot lost his job when this mostly wasn’t his fault, however had he stayed with Adam Air he could have found himself in an even more dangerous situation.
Indonesian air safety committee hired him later🎉🎉🎉
In a FLDS world someone has to be the fall guy for all the losers.
37:23 I hope the Captain sued AdamAir.
Adam Air was too plugged into bigwigs in the Indonesian government for anything like that to be successful.
''22 Seconds ago''
Looks like I've been waiting for this video for a long time xD
Always lovely to see you upload, thank you Green Dot
Hope you like it! It took a good while to research and create this one, as there's very little about the incident online, just a rather sparse final report.
You and me both, lol.
Last night before I went to sleep I checked and I realized it was about 4 weeks.
@@GreenDotAviation loved the video and as usual amazed by the effort you put into these, essentially free, documentaries. BBC and Nat Geo can truly learn a thing or two from you
It's heartening to know the captain landed the plane safely at Sumba, 500 km off course, the passengers safe and sound, yet was unjustly fired by Adam Air. Two years later, they went bankrupt. That's karma for you. Adam Air's safety record was appallingly bad. I hope the pilot got a job with another airline.
Thanks for this video! 😊🙏🏻❤️🛫
It was his fault in the first place. Pilots must monitor and cross-check data with their flight plan.
Looks like the pilot was made a scapegoat by senior management to cover for their safety failings and cutting corners. However, it didn't work out for them with the airline going bust later.
The one thing the pilots should maybe have spotted though was the position of the sun telling them they weren't flying due East as they should have been. Happened to me once in a car during sunset when we were meant to be heading south on a return journey. Everyone was busy chatting away thinking they'd be home soon. However, I spotted the sun was on the left so we had taken a wrong turning and were actually heading North!
@@bluteyThe trainee flight attendant literally pointed out to them directly that the sun was in the wrong position. And they totally ignored them.
a more reputable airline might have pointed that out to them right before firing them for the incident. scapegoat, nothing. he shouldn't be a transportation safety advisor now considering that.
@@frankfuller975 It's left vague in the video whether the attendant told the pilots about the sun's position or felt too intimated and only mentioned it afterwards in the subsequent investigation. But as I said, regardless, they should have noticed it themselves.
As for the rest of your post, you're not saying the management were entirely blameless in the whole incident are you? There are numerous sources detailing bad safety practice at the airline being pointed out by pilots but ingnored by the management.
Evidence gathered during this incident and a subsequent accident investigation conducted by the NTSC showed repeated IRS malfunctions that went unresolved for many months.
@@blutey no, I am not saying they were blameless. The condition of the plane was deplorable and they deserve to have the book book thrown at them. for that. I'm just saying that the pilot was not 'safe' or knowledgeable enough to fly the plane, much less be in the safety board. and yes, the trainee mentioned it, it was specifically stated that them mentioning it was why the pilot put a piece of paper over the window so they would pay attention to him and not look at it. that is why I consider it an issue and a major failing on the pilot's part.
I was just watching the SAA cargo fire video, and was pleasantly surprised by this upload. Very excited to watch this one as well and thank you!
Captain did a great job of landing it safely to save all of those on board, was putting in efforts to find where they were, hard to say whether it was his mistake because of the iru switch and was hard to notice little bit of bank when you are far up in the sky.
Yeah, I'm a bit confused as to why they fired him, wasn't it a malfunction? Or we don't know the whole picture?
@@dddaddy The escape goat. Classic company cover up.
@@carnthecorby yeah, that's pretty clear, knowing the history of this airline. But the investigation apparently dug deeper into their practices, so I'd have expected some clarity to come from that.
@@carnthecorby Just fyi, it's 'scapegoat', not escape goat. Although a goat bailing out of a plane is a funny visual!
They did a mistake to not use classic compass practically in whole time when they noticed this issue. However they should be retrained to handle such issues and and to (almost) always follow the checklists, instead of firing them.
this episode should have raised alarm bells about AdamAir that would have saved the lives of those onboard 574
Sadly, many people don't learn until blood is spilled, this can apply to pretty much any industry.
WOW, saved everyone and got FIRED
That shocked me too - the pilots did a great job getting it down safely despite their faulty equipment readings - sounds like he was scapegoated.
He was probably better off out of that mob!
We don't need pilots who see no problem with the instruments saying your heading is 80 degrees but the rising sun is to your left.
@Shadowwand You're absolutely correct. We need pilots who stall their aircraft believing their senses instead of their instruments. Just like the crew on Air France 447.
He needs to pilot kites and not passenger lives. Same thing with Lost over the Amazon.. look out your window at the sun . Adam air is from the most politically corrupt oligarchy of Indonesia... And it's demise saved thousands of lives.
It’s a miracle that no casualties with this incident! Amazing work pilot and copilot
Amazing work? Seriously? Both pilots utterly failed at navigating the plane even after the most trustworthy instrument -- the compass -- told them they were flying in the wrong direction, not to mention that the sun was in the wrong position. Their complete trust in the [faulty] computer management system, the sheer disregard of the basic facts pointing to the wrong heading and failing to recall their basic training in navigation (always go with what you know) that nearly got them and the passengers killed is not something that can be called "amazing work" in anyone's book. And then, even when they finally realized that something was very wrong, they continued flying in the same direction that took them further and further away from civilization. That's the definition of stupidity -- doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Yes, finding the short runway to land on was nothing short of a miracle or a divine intervention, and the pilots cannot be credited with this lucky discovery. Both pilots should have been banned from flying forever.
@@IGS1989U failed simple logic here
@@sovietsky5039 Don't be a troll. The simple logic is that all those people would have been dead if it weren't for that sudden runway in the middle of nowhere.
Fantastic video. I've been bingeing the videos on your channel for just over a week now & I'm so impressed every time at how well you relay the information, edit the videos, and explain really technical aviation jargon in layman's terms. excited to see you upload more:)
Love from Kenya. You are exceptionally competent.
So the captain saves all of the people but at the end he still gets fired?
It was his job to navigate correctly. Reminds me of the Varig incident where the pilots flew into the setting sun (west) thinking they were flying North.
Well tbh I don't think he'd want to work at that airline anyway after what had happened.
It's Adamairs fault for not having planes that work properly. It's Adamairs fault that they didn't have a navigation system that actually worked. What did you want the captain to do? magically know every inch of the earth so he knew exactly where he was at every second, without a proper navigation system? Everything told him he was on the right track, except that compass. He didn't think he was that far off, cause the systems all told him that it was fine. Yes, that one person said something was off, and he should've seen that, but he thought it was fine cause the navigation system was telling him it was fine.
I understand the point, but pilots weren't responding adequately either. They should have been alerted to the navigation as soon as the plane began turning right, despite there being no right turns on the way to the waypoint. It's aviate, NAVIGATE and communicate. They didn't navigate the plane until it was too late. It was only a case of luck that they found a runway
Knowing some similar airlines, that is a cultural response rather than a fact based result of a safety audit,, this is part of the problem of course.
In reality, these guys should have been educating the other crews, with the support of the engineering department to prevent a re-occurrence
It's so silly to see how many accidents happened just after a critical piece of the airplane was replaced and “it seemed to work on the ground”. Just crazy to me that the pilots just forget that something which was just replaced might not work.
Wow. I was speechless the entire video. Twists and turns (literally) throughout the flight that made this thrilling story. And who better to document it then green dot himself. Amazing video!
34:29 THE WHAT???!!
Meet the fokkers
The Fokker F28
😂😂
💀💀
Thought the same thing 😂
Can’t believe the captain got fired for that. There’s probably a little blame on both ends but any sort of fault with the aircraft with that dire of consequences should never be fully put on the pilot
Being fired doesn’t mean it was put fully on the pilot. Just that this was the final straw
All he needed to do was put the VOR audio in his headset and scan for one. There were several close enough.
He failed to conduct a position comparison before descent, this would have corrected the problem, very unprofessional
Another really good video. Clicked on it as soon as i saw it, really creepy how IRS2 told them they were on course, when they were anything but. I really commend the junior flight attendant who pointed out the sun on the left instead of in front.
I like how this terrifying incident is only covered in one paragraph in wiki. Kinda showed that in every "small" incident, it can actually be very scary and could ended up way worse.
121.5? Squawk 7700 or 7600? How did they not manage to get in touch with tower at the airport they landed at? Or any other airfield they passed within radio distance of?
Yes, there are a lot of unanswered questions but I suppose not all the details are available.
You should really cover Southern 242. Taught us a lot Abt weather
It amazes me that they didn’t realise that the sun coming into the cockpit from wrong direction meant they were off course..
pilot vs aviator
That one flight attendant trainee realized it, told them, and the pilot just shaded the window to block out the sun. Unreal!!!
Bro, why was the pilot fired? I mean AdamAir is gotta be the one at fault. Like, why are the aircraft not fixed? Why was they putting pressure to the pilot to use an aircraft thats not fixed? Why?????
It was still the pilot's job to navigate the plane and knowing where they are. Still, the airline should've been accused of these troubles much earlier.
@@bonzobonanza with a faulty iru that the pilot didnt know, how could the pilot possibly know the place if the computer was telling him the wrong place
Because they were cheap bastards
Scapegoat
Reminds me of the Varig flight from Sao Paulo to Belem. They ended up crash landing in the amazon. Both could have been avoided if the pilots followed the oldest "gps" known to man kind, the sun.
Is the position of the sun the only reference point you'd need ?
@@bobgillis1137 No, time is also needed
pilot vs aviator
What is not explained is how switching to the second inertial navigation unit did not correct the position data on the displays, nor why the first officer's display suddenly came back to life.
Why didn't they use the magnet compass? They could even have used the sun's position to make sure it is working correctly.
So they could have back tracked their approximate position and decided on a path that should bring them near land/near a radio beacon.
Also, there should be a safety measure to ensure that planes can contact nearby planes and controllers, like an emergency broadcast.
through the entire thing I thought:
121.5, find out a nearby tower frequency, ident, be guided to a landing
Squawk as well I would have thought
That's only useful if anyone knows where you are so they can tell you which one to tune
@@tomstravels520 If another plane can reach you on VHF then you're within a limited distance, I think it's line-of-sight.
@@tomstravels520 but any plane in range listening to 121.5 will hear it, and they can give you the frequency of their tower.
So you will at least find SOME tower that is likely able to see you.
Squawk ident.
If you show up, congrats.
If not, next frequency.
Yeah that was what I was thinking the entire time. Go emergency frequency and request any tower frequencies nearby. Then run down and see who doesn't respond to figure out where they aren't.
Thanks!
"the cabin crew member noticed it but didn't say anything because surely the pilots know what they're doing"
so.... another case of "this could've been prevented if the cabin crew said something they noticed"
I've been saved by a flight attendant who spoke up about strange info on the passenger map display. Not at serious as this but would have been embarrassing.
Once as a passenger I noticed one small damage visible on a wing. Due to my aerodynamic and aircraft knowledge I know that wasn't a big issue to bother any crew member at the time of critical phase of flight, so I wait to full stop and to be last passenger. Flight attendants took me and my phone video to the captain, but she didn't care...
@@norbert.kiszka Okay? So you knew that it wasn't anything worth worrying about, and now they know it exists, but like you are all so not worried about it.
@@thedemolitionmuniciple nah, they told me, they didn't see damage on a video. IMHO they lied to me. Nothing big, but there was small damage clearly visible.
She was a trainee, so that's understandable
When they saw that the old fashioned compass was showing them flying southwest you'd think they would have made a left turn to get somewhere near the right track and pick up a beacon.
Running off the end of a short runway is 100x better than landing on the water
Plus you have at least rudimentary rescue services on-site, and there will be witnesses.
I'd rather land in terrain than water.
Couldn't agree more, my flight instructor taught me to better approach high and overshoot the runway going 30 - 40 knots than fall before the runway!!!
@@noneofyourbusiness5074 my dad ran a a300 off the runway for fed ex. lol. He didn’t get reprimanded bc it wasn’t his fault and actually saved the plane.
To be honest, there is no such thing as "landing on the water". Its just "crashing in the water". I havent seen a single plane "land" on water in any video of these channels. Mostly, the plane crashes and disintegrates into several pieces, and some people may survive based on the severity of the crash and other circumstances. But "a plane landing on water" is just a myth.
💀"Pilots have been trained to believe their instruments, but now, their instruments are lying to them"
That's scary
well technically, the "belief order" is : What you see outside of the window first and foremost (but not always possible due to weather), then instruments. And never trust your senses, because falling prey to sensory illusion is deadly.
In their case, they didn't understand what they saw out of the window, and thus were completely lost.
Instrument failures are deadly in aviation, that is why redundancy and good maintenance procedures are paramount. But as you saw, neither were available to thoses pilots
@@Taletad You right man. I understand what you are saying. Having to look outside with your senses ain't the best thing. I think Adam Air knew they had to do some maintenance and more safety trainings, but why are they avoiding them? It's just make no sense
But if a sensor ain't working, such as the APU or gyroscope or IRS, isn't it possible to use a third party such as your phone just in case there's no way of resetting/solving the malfunctions?🤔
@@OratileTrusts Firstly phones weren't as sophisticated back then
Secondly phones don't work at high altitudes, because there are no cell towers up there
nowadays, GPS will tell you that you are off course, which is conviniently integrated in the plane
However in that situation, what should have happened is for the plane to be grounded until the navigational fault was understood and fixed.
But that's not the only thing : if ATC had been properly trained or the ATC system properly installed or the pilots properly trained, the incident wouldn't have happened either
In fact this was a very unfortunate series of event that led to this. And we have to be happy that no one died that day. But we also have to rekon that any of theses faults probably happened on the daily, however as it was only one fault and not all of them at the same time, things got back to where they should have
I enjoyed your narrative and your animation. Well done and thanks!
This is one of those channels I can proudly say I've watched every single video of
that intro is such a banger bro
Wow. Imagine if this happened at night.
It would be game over
This kicked my blood pressure up a few notches. Excellent video. Thank you.
The problem with “budget” flights or budgets product companies that seem to make things far cheaper than competitors, is that they aren’t doing so because of a closely held secret or because other companies are corrupt. They are trying to grow my volume and hope their costs stay as fixed as possible but eventually more variable costs catch up such as maintenance, hiring new employees, buying new inventory, building infrastructure, giving raises, etc. To keep this pace a shortcut is made. Either stop growing, raise prices considerably, or cut costs. Sometimes, unfortunately, maintenance is the cost that’s cut.
Air Crash Investigation mentioned this incident in the episode about flight 574. Great to see it covered in more detail.
That ATC where Flight 782 land must be very surprised and confused as to where does the B737 came from and just somehow landed on their runway, kudos to the Captain, he would be awarded instead of getting fired
Flying on a course of 23 degrees for a while and thinking he was still near his destination is probably what got him sacked.
I want to thank you so so much for your videos they are fantastic and a perfect presentation. Keep up the hard work it takes. Long live green aviation.
- Hey, the *Sun* is telling you you're flying in the wrong direction!
- Nah, I have a pile of electronics here telling me otherwise, shut up!
Who let those clowns into the cockpit?
They could tell they were pointing in the wrong direction but without knowing where they were they could not calculate the correct direction.
@@Phiyedough without acknowledging the issue the mere thought of calculating anything hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing their minds.
You noticed that the captain's only reaction to the sun being in the wrong place was to put the sun out of mind by covering the window with paper, didn't you?
Captain we appear to be plunging towards the ocean in an uncontrolled descent. Draws the curtains across the windows. There, now we’re not.
Wow..that was so tense! Superb narration and story telling!
13:21 Such profissionalism!
It's actually pretty common for pilots to do that on older 737s
The flight attendant that noticed that the plane was going off-course through the sun's position should've been given a raise. That is some astounding perception.
I think that is slightly misrepresented in this video. The flight attendant didn't say that or anything like it, just noticed that the sun was in their eyes when they came in for their test
The sun pouring through the left window says it all.
That and not trusting a magnetic compass.
pilot vs aviator
Your narration is on point and each video sends chills down my back.
Well done sir, the work you do is really important for the aviation community.
Safe skies!
13:00 "go back to the Kitchen ma'am, we are men, we know what we are doing" That's what I imagine the Pilot was thinking at that moment
Kitchen? It’s called the galley! Gooosh!
@@jamesm3471 Pls don't be to harsh to me. I am no expert. I just love his videos and that's just the phrase that came into my mind at the time. I don't even think there is such a thing in the kitchen on an airplane. 😅
@@LaunchKaffeeSorry, was just kidding. Your point is actually a valid one, and you’ll be happy to know that nowadays, nearly all respectable airlines in the Western world teach their people the importance of Crew Resource Management - where, regardless of rank or station on the flightdeck or in the cabin, you listen to your other crew members, delegate tasks, and work together, so that if a new hire, trainee flight attendant notices something unusual - in this case the sun’s position, she should feel comfortable mentioning it to even the most senior captain, and that captain will listen and take it under advisement. It’s really one of the biggest reasons commercial air travel has become so safe!
What an absolutely incredible stroke of luck that the pilots were able to find an airport and land safely. And he got fired because the company he worked for broke his plane. Talk about injustice!
he neither used the VOR audio or the 121.5 emergency channel - pretty major fails to aviate
Normally I would think the captain is part of the problem since it never occurred to them to use any of the VOR beacons along their route or their compass until they were well out of range. However given 3 other incidents of Adam Air including one where the captain was never trained to recover from unusual bank angles, I'm inclined to think any of the captain's faults were a result of company training. Given the state of training for this captain's co-workers, it's a miracle he landed the plane without crashing into the sea or a plane on the runway he aimed at.
Thank you!! My best friend of many years is getting his pilot license. I am also learning. Your breakdowns are priceless!! Thank you again!!
37:36 tapping the screen isn’t working 😭
Fuck gaza
Stunning incompetence. First thing anyone does when theyre lost travelling on foot, car, horse, boat...is to look for where the sun is. These pilots shouldnt even have a license to drive a bus.
Also, why wouldnt airlines have a sat phone on board?
Its Indonesia, its corruption and laziness central.
TG this had a super positive ending.....when ..it seemed all hope was lost...The Captain has displayed outstanding airmanship and cool handling..
Just out of curiosity, why did not they use 121.5 for contacting other ATCs. I've heard that being used in other documentaries.
Wondering the same thing. VHF has relatively limited range, but surely the atc where they landed would be monitoring 121.5, and would at least have given them a warning about what was about to happen!
Why on earth did they not do an audio scan for a VOR either? There were heaps nearby
There were many things they could have done to rectify the situation that didn't involve landing a big bird on a small runway totally out of contact with the ground.
The solution to the bad sun direction was to cover it with paper. Thats gonna be a big yikes for me.
When you have been trained again and again to trust your instruments, you ignore data that conflicts, basic human nature
If I had a nickel for every time the pilots of a lost flight failed to notice/care about the fact that the sun wasn't in the direction it was supposed to be, I'd have two nickels. Not a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
What was the other incident?
@@bluteyvarig flight in brazil got lost in the Amazon rainforest
@@tosspot1305 Thanks. Although that took place largely in the dark just after sunset.
The amount of times the passengers needed to be consulted for clarification is astonishing
Captain should not have been fired
These pilots are DOPEs. Cant use the sun? cant use the compass!!!! Cant turn north? cant match up the maps! WTF!
Are you dumb?
These pilots were idiots 😂. Despite trying to contact any tower or nearby plane..they were looking and looking for place with eyes
considering how badly their airline was managed, and the abysmal safety culture at the time in that area, they probably weren't taught how to do that.
Reminds me how deck officers on ships are still required to learn celestial navigation and regularly take and check the ship's position against the chronometer and stars.
Maybe this is my ignorance talking but why didn't he make a Mayday call on guard, flash ident, squawk an emergency code - anything to let someone on the ground know there's a problem?
Even why he kept flying south confuses me. Surely once they saw their magnetic heading was SSE, and the Sun's position confirmed that, they should have at least resumed their original heading?
I was also thinking why didn't they squawk an emergency code!! Surely somebody somewhere would have noticed this and possibly helped them out? Baffling!
Agree on pride.. I assume the reason they were able to contact other aircraft and not Makkasar ground is because of height. But wonder if they saw any other aircraft ok their radar?
Probably more of a Pan Pan Pan situation
@@kalkuttadrop6371 Is there a squawk code for pan pan?
The captain covered the window with a paper? WTAF 😂😂
Not uncommon for pilots to do that with older 737s
you know an aviation incident video is gonna be serious when it says “over the java sea”
I saw the Adam air color scheme on the plane and was like awwww shyeeeet...
Thank you GD, another great video & much enjoyed
There were two additional tools not mentioned which leaves me baffled if/why they didn’t use them? First, squawk 7700. This is the aviation standard transponder code - at least in the US - for general emergency. Any radar in range would pick this up as a priority, and get a controller’s attention.
Second, declare mayday on 121.5 - again maybe this is just the US - but that’s the guard frequency used specifically for emergencies. Like a 7700 transponder code, a mayday call on 121.5 would immediately get the attention of nearly any manned ground stations in range of the aircraft.
Also the VOR audio. All he needed to do was scan
It is not clear if from the video what they did as they were contacting planes so may be they were using this frequency and had sqwaked 7700. The issue is their instrument were lying to them and to other as what the ATC see is what the transponder send (unless use a primary radar which I think is not used normally)
@@mata2723 What? Primary radar is absolutely used, I mean, that's the whole point of radar! Only recently has there been a push to move from primary radar to ADSB self reporting of location.
35:30 I swear when this music hits, my heart starts going nuts
I once heard it said by an R.A.F. Tornado pilot that the most reliable instrument in the cockpit of ANY aircraft is the Mk1 human eyeball
An underrated aspect of these videos is the transition into the ads 😂😂😂
Pilots flies and lands a plane with no navigational instruments, no casualties and gets the sack?
Only for the same airline to have one of the other aircraft crash, Nah their board should've been jailed
Well, they should't have gotten that close to idaster in the first place. The should have noticed the sun position and checked the compass much earlier. Then they would have still been in range of ATC and got help. Anyways being fired from that terrible airline was probably a blessing.
They had plenty of working nav instruments. They just failed to use them effectively and determine their position.