Fight Scene Autopsy: The Last Jedi Throne Room, Star Wars
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- Introducing the most pedantic overly detailed analysis of movie fight scenes on TH-cam, Fight Scene Autopsy, where I review fight scenes for how realistic they are in respect to historical combat! In this episode we're analyzing the throne room fight scene from Star Wars the Last Jedi where Rey and Kylo face off against Snoke's bodyguards.
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I don’t dislike this fight scene because I dislike the Last Jedi, I dislike this fight scene because it’s a bad fight scene, and because it’s bad it makes me dislike the Last Jedi more. . .
Also Fight Scene Autopsy is not meant to be fully critical, trust me I’ll be praising things when they’re praiseworthy, there’s just very little here. . .
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Sup Shad love your stuff. They are called the Pantoraen Guards I believe.
I think one of the star wars scenes you should look at is the fight scene from the end of Star Wars Episode 3.
Becuase they had actually swordsmen on set to train Haden and Ewan. Also the movie of 'The Musketeer' because of the same reason.
It's always a bit of a shame when you have to keep reiterating what real criticism is and how that doesn't necessarily mean you don't like what you're critiquing.
I'm obviously commenting before I've watched the video but I want to say a huge thank you for this. As a writer, I'm kind of obsessed with trying to write fight scenes (with weapons) that are realistic enough to work even if some small fiction details slip in there. The problem has always been that I've been so flooded with how pop culture views battles (and not have any personal weapons training) that I know how the stuff I imagine is, at best, borderline wrong. So yeah, this is one series I'm extremely grateful for!
Edit: And also, fantastic shout out for Mauler. The dude is insane with his critiques.
They did do something that should be common sense for any Jedi or Sith(turning your lightsaber on and of in combat is a super effective strategy that's never used for some reason).
This was certainly one of the worst fights ever
Your opponent is completely open! Would you:
[ A ]: Swing your weapon
[ B ]: Swing your weapon
[ C ]: Swing your weapon
[ D ]: *SPIN 2 WIN*
E: leave the set
F: *punch them in the face for no reason*
G: Do a little kick and forget about your weapon.
H: Drop your lightsaber and let him stab you
I:do nothing
14:20
"Hello. Customer support."
"Hello, it's Rey. Someone has wrapped his whip around my lightsaber."
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Huh that might be a proper strategy in that situation, unlike a sword it can be turned off!
That is very stupid : the fact that Ryan Jonson extablishes something in an already extablished universe and then proceeds to ignore it completely .
It is like the light speed ramming , but at least there is no other instance in which it could have been useful , but this , this is fucking bullshit , that means that that coreography was written in one go and then it wasn't rewieved , and if it was reviewed it is even worse because you couldn't see your mistake .
"I'm tryin-"
"MA'AM, NOT WHILE LOOKING AT IT-"
*Charred flesh noises*
"Oh shit, this is the third one this week..."
Believe it or not, that's an actual Lightsaber martial art style in the old canon: Tràkata
@@pathfindersavant3988 Old canon? Oh, you mean the only canon that counts :D
If Anakin vs Obi Wan is what my friends and I thought we looked like playing in the backyard, this is what we actually looked like.
Lol
Now that is not fair…I am sure you and your childhood friend were much more coordinated then the stunt men of this movie.
@@shadowwriter329 The stunt men were perfectly well coordinated. They just had the most idiotic choreography imaginable to perform
@@filmandfirearms We mustn't forget the actors with no sword skills swinging those props like baseball bats and broomsticks.😁
@@JohnFourtyTwo Adam Driver didn't do too bad. It could've been salvaged if it was just him. Unfortunately, Daisy Ridley exists
Praetorian Guard: I’ll try spinning, that’s a good trick.
Morgan Freeman: *"Alas, that wasn't a good trick."*
They just have to look like their doing their job to collect insurance and retire.
@@gbladewarrior6884
Looks like the new Praetorian Guards took a page from Attack on Titan's Military Police. Train hard, become the best, get a cushion job, retire with a good pension.
Came here looking for this comment.
spin to win!
The guards missing their strikes is due to them measuring in the Imperial System but the fight was in metric.
Very nice joke my g
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Lol I couldn't like this enough
Wonderful
underrated comment XD
I bet the stuntmens are glad the helmets cover their faces in this scene.
Yeah.. I was sick that day. That’s not actually me.
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YOU CANT PROVE IT!!!
Apparently their eyes too lol
the only saving grace in the scene is the stuntmen doing their job.
It's not the stuntmen's fault the actors are missing every single one of their cues. It becomes the stuntmen's job quickly anticipate the lack of skill and do some shit to distract the viewer from seeing how poor the actors choreography is.
@@Chzydawg which I'd say they do a pretty good job at, considering the fight looks better to the untrained eye, looking at it for the first time.
@@jonkeathegamer I do not have a trained eye at all, I am not a sword fighting person and man it still looked sloppy. Especially when one guys' dagger just disappears all of the sudden
Can we note that, with the dagger guy, even if he’s missing his left dagger, he could just be using his left fist to punch her in the back of the head the whole time. They might as well have edited out his whole arm…
Hugely underrated comment lol, could've grabbed her hair with the free hand and stabbed with the knife that didn't evaporate too
or he could just grab his dagger with his free left hand and stab her in the back
Actually his entire arm was paralyzed lore wise.
Lore wise??
Oh please, you can't convince me that they're actually using the force in this battle.
@@NineBreakerUIXB I'm half-convinced that if he tried that, his other weapon would evaporate, too. Then he'd probably have to strangle her.
Tbf all the guards are wearing helmets without eye holes. So they’re blind.
Not bad for a bunch of blind dudes... Maybe they all secretly have a connection to the force!?
They have good hearing. Force hearing.
Smoke should have just cloned the blind dude from rouge one!
They have tiny slits to see through
To be fair, there is a Star Wars race without eyes. They see with the Force.
So basically Shad could take on the guards by himself and slaughter them like Anakin slaughtering younglings.
Shad could take them.
I think any true star wars fan or a fan of anything action base could beat those "guards"
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Considering these “guards” seemingly do everything in their power to make sure you win, I don’t even think you need any background in action or combat to beat them...
My goldfish could probably kill all these “guards.”
I'm physically handicapped and could take them
No, I believe, that the younglings would have been harder to kill...
I refuse to believe this was choreographed, it looks like when me and my friends used to role play sword fight in middle school
nah real play swordfighting is a lot better than this, because at least I always tried to land my hit on my friends
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For... realism... sure, let’s go with that.
Pft, me and my friends were EPIC in comparison to this trash.
Doubt it I trust you and your childhood freinds knew that you had to hit the person with a sword to kill them
@@tonyluong6732
Just about everyone knows that, and it didn't stop us.
This scene could basicaly serve as a metaphor for the entire movie: Looks gorgeous, seems cool at first glance but completely falls apart once you look even a *little bit* closer.
Tragic because this is actually fixable. All the neccessary building blocks are here. Imagine how great this would have been if they had actually *nailed* the choeography...
They were on the verge of greatnis, they were this close
If they had used proper choreography then it would be difficult for Rey and Kylo to prevail surrounded and outnumbered by elite warriors
Like the weapon concepts are amazing, but their uses are completely botched
after all - they could refilm scene and patch "DVD version" - but again, they doesnt CARE
Except they are Jedi, they should be constantly using the force to push their enemies away. Kinda tough to make a realistic looking force push within a one-take fight scene. I like to pretend that in jedi duels maybe force pushes don't always work and leave you open, but against non-jedi there doesn't seem to be a reason not to.
Shad facts: shad hated this fight scene so much, he recreated a version of it using all of his fingers for fighters, and his mouth for sfx, it was still way better than the original
That reminds me of thumb wars that paroday of a new hope
*Select difficulty:*
Easy: Praetorian guards
Extreme: Shad's son
Insane Nightmare: Ewan McGregor
*D E A T H:* Geralt of Batman
I could easily imagine Shad's son nae naeing all those lobsters
Jedi grand master: *TR 8R*
TAS only: shad.
Obi Wan: "An elegant weapon for a more civilised age"
Rey (swinging it like a butterfly net): "RRRAAAARRRRRRR"
Shad, Dooku and Maul: Become one with the Force
Palpatine swung his shit exactly like Rey. Omg you anti sequel trilogy people are so fucking stupid.
@@dabuss55 Uh... Because his fighting style was wild, erratic and vicious due to him feeding from anger?
At least palpatine we see as an excellent duelist capable of killing Jedi masters in seconds in duels and none of his swings were useless unlike rey’s
@@mamacoloco7285 uhhh yeah. Your point?
@@dabuss55 So Rey is a Sith.
20:03 The guy just throwing his weapon aside to get let himself get stabbed by Kylo. Classic combat tactic right there.
You see, the goal is to confuse the enemy into lowering their own guard.
You see, the goal is to confuse the enemy into lowering their own guard.
Snoke: I have purposely trained my guards wrong, as a joke.
Stuntmen: Those idiots missed every cue, the director is going to make us do that again and again.
Rian Johnsonr: Perfect!
Rian "Roundhead" Johnson channeling the infamous Ed Wood.
the imperial guards should use shields and blasters. It is more effective against lightsaber wielding force users than melee fight because lightsaber wielding force users are strongest in melee fight
@@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122 they should have vented the air of the room and watch the 2 asphyxiate while chuckling in their helmets that do have short term life support, because they needed tobbe ready to counter gas attacks. lol
Worse part is they probably facepalmed even harder for going with that take.
@@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122 then, not blasters, shotguns!)
Nice buckshot and heavy kortosis slugs!)
Sorry for my English.
When the DM is trying not to kill the party who is in way over their head
This is what most action movies feel like nowadays : roleplaying with an overly nice GM.
THIS^^^^ ALL the this.
GM: "roll CMB"
*Rey rolls 1
GM: *sigh* "Okay, the guard blocks with one weapon and uh... doesn't attack with the other. Roll again"
*Rey rolls 1
GM: "...ookay... you allow yourself to get locked in a bind, but uh... the guard's weapon disappeared. Roll again."
*Rey rolls abother 1
GM: "Oh for fu--... You wanna use a Hero point?"
Rey: "Um... sure?"
GM: "OKAY! You drop your lightsaber, let go off the the guard pressing against you. Who coincidentally stops pressing against you and you kill him."
Rey: "Yay!" ^_^
.... this isnt the DM pulling punches.. its the DM that spent hour on "his story" and lying about his rolls as the party decided to attack the castle guards rather than run.
@@nintenhaku6539 Rey: I must be a master swordswoman!
20:35 watch more closely Shad, he's not being disarmed. He is literally throwing his weapon away in anticipation of getting stabbed. First he tosses with his right hand and then gives it a good push with his left to make sure it is well and truly out of the shot. It's one of the dumbest things about this scene, I'm kind of surprised you missed it.
Omg he actually is that makes this even more stupid
@Andrea De Luca Kylo makes no such movements though, not to mention the fact the actor is clearly just tossing the thing forcefully. Kylo just spins into a stab, no pushing motion here.
I just dont understand the logic of having this actor toss his weapon like that.
@Andrea De Luca I mean if you want to justify it to yourself like that, go ahead. I don't buy it. Not with everything else in this scene being as bad as it is.
shad assumed that the guy's blade got hit by the other blades (in the air) when kylo "throws them off". if you look, the blade is not in the screen but it's kinda in the general direction of the other blades, so i guess shad just doesn't feel like nitpicking even more.
@Andrea De Luca Ridiculous supposition. Have you seen force pushes used before? If he could just force push like that, why didn't he do it anytime else?
I watched a video in which professional stunt co-ordinator breaks down the scene. He noticed a lot of pointless spinning and waiting and the guy said that stunt men usually do this because the actors are late and are not in position yet. It's pretty obvious that more practice was needed in terms of choreography. Compare this to the Duel of the Fates where the actors had practiced the moves tirelessly. I was so disappointed with this fight.
Yeah, the fact that Disney spent hundreds of millions on this film but they couldn't be bothered to practise the fight scenes just sums up Disney. Everything is superficial and terrible and they just rely on marketing. Same with most things nowadays to be fair like the music industry and most of the politics you see on the internet.
@@David-ud9ju Everything about the last jedi was a poorly thought through mess. daisy ridley should have spent a lot more time learning how to move and fight because she looks incompetent and that is not fun to watch for 3 whole movies.
The actors in Duel of the Fates were so good the editors actually had to slow the scene down a bit in post so the audience could actually follow what was happening. They set a new standard for fight choreography that is rarely reached to this day.
Say what you will about Episode III, but Ewan Mcgregor and Hayden Christensen were amazing in that final duel.
@@mourad505 Ewan was one of the few consistently good things about the prequels. There are many things wrong with those movies but Ewan was not one of them. I’m glad his career didn’t suffer too much because of them.
41:35
"The red guard kind of forgot that he was dual-wielding"
- David Benioff
He forgot so hard that it became reality.
Star Wars is 40k universe confirmed.
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It was a special ability, and he only had enough experience points to use it for 90 seconds.
Rey kindof forgot about training, but the training certainly didn’t forget about her.
_flashback to Rey saying ‘I need training. Train me, Luke. Hey L U K E! DID I MENTION I NEED TRAINING?! Remember me to train later!’_
They fight so badly because they are dizzy from all this spins
Kind of a self defeating martial art... XD
It's a good trick.
I’ll try spinning that’s a good trick!
IlL TrY SpINniNg THats A gOod TriCK
This entire fight is basically like the Batman or assassins creed games where the background enemies wait for you to finish off an enemy before attacking you.
I haven’t played any Creed games, but I have played two of the Arkham Batman games, and one thing about those is that other enemies will actively try to attack you while you’re focused on other ones, so you have to stay on your toes and not simply hone in on one at a time.
@@AhsokaJackson But in the end, it still all boils down to mashing the A button...
I've always hated the ASS creed games, simply because the combat is the most boring thing I've done since playing a clicker game.
Or in the pirates of the Caribbean game where they block 2 times and literally turn around for a couple of seconds, and make a grunting noise when you flay the poor guy...:/ The actual sword duels are really fun though to give it some credit.
@@WirlWind494 go make a better game
have you seen any movie where heroes gets swarmed by enemies?
Dooku: "I have trained my entire life to become a master at form 2 an-"
Rey: haha baseball bat go fwoomp
*I used to think this scene was a tragedy, now I realize that it is a comedy*
What do you get when you cross a timeless series with thousands of fans that will stand the test of time with a STUPID DIRECTOR AND MONEY HUNGRY COMPANY?!?
YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE
*Disney files bankruptcy*
@@spacejesus6581 Unfortunately, that's never going to happen. Disney just has too damn much to fail, and way too much that they can just take multiple hits... especially since they still managed to make a big profit on these movies.
Well you know it took time.
Vojta Janda _this entire scene was recorded in less than a week with no prior training for the actors_
@@spacejesus6581
Really?
Stuntman: Mr. Johnson, aren't we a bit overdressed for the rehearsal of this scene?
Rian: Surprise! We're shooting this on the first take, no rehearsals!
Stuntman: That sounds massively stupid.
Rian: Yes, but it subverted your expectations, so it's genius.
This struck joy in my day thank you good sir.
Actually... That is what that scene feels like. And that is frustrating since it had at least some potential (if it was shot properly and everyone would not be fricking retarded).
hehe, massive
"Amateurs like you do two takes. I do one take!" -Calculon, 3003- Ruin Johnson, 2017.
My word, Jorge, it's like you were on set that day. hahaha
I feel like the first fifteen times they tried to film this, the stunt men kept accidentally "killing" Rey and Kylo, and the director chewed them out and told them to act like complete stooges.
I seriously doubt they got anywhere near 15 takes...
@@BaldorfBreakdowns I'm with you, which is absolutely mind boggling. How can you have a movie in the biggest franchise in history with millions of dollars invested and not have the fight choreography down? You would think they would have done this 1,000 times until it was second nature, especially considering it's the only big melee in the whole movie. I guess this shows Rian Johnson's ineptitude at filming action, since he obviously watched this take and went "yeah, looks great". Meanwhile, all the stunt men are behind those red masks rolling their eyes so hard that they threaten to come out of their heads
Oh come on. Its Star Wars, the bad guys are supposed to be so incompetent that you wonder how they managed to win in the first place.
@@liem11 Yeah, I always wondered how Vader along with Emporer Palpatine, the two most powerful sith lords, came to power...they should really explain that, since they come off as complete, incompetant morons...
@@BaldorfBreakdowns You know there is this thing called the prequels right?
The guards are really just gentle souls. They don't ACTUALLY want to hurt Rey or Kyle
Guard 1 in his mic: So he's our new boss now, right?
Guard 2: Yupp, seems like it, oh shit, that crazy woman is about to attack him, disarm her right now!
Guard 1: Shame these helmets are sound proof, we'll just explain later.
And the rest is history.
Edit: Hold on, did I just make the story 100 times better?
@@Ackalan
Guard 3: By the way, does anyone remember why our helmets are sound proof?
Guard 4: Remember Steve? How he would combat boredom by humming?
Guard 3: Oh right, and after Snoke turned him into Charcoal over it we got our new helmets.
@@TankHunter678 Sequels writers would just probably said something along the lines of: Darf sefretz ok de Zidh
Rey and Ren keep missing their queues
Stuntmen trying not to kill: twirling
that's what happens when you hire subpar actors who don't show up for choreography practice and a director that honestly doesn't give a f*** about logic or reason and just s***s all over Star Wars.
Choreographer: So here, this dagger guy is pretty much going to kill Rey because his dagger is about to go into the back of her skull.
Johnson: Ok...remove the dagger.
CGI guy: Really? You want-
Johnson: Haven't you seen the rest of the movie? I really don't give a f*** about continuity or even know what that word means.
Ani: try spinning, that's a good trick!
@@matthewkern496 How do you know this is what happened?
Robert Bennett Rey looks confused throughout. Ren at least is selling it, though yes, he is also missing beats.
@@hq4287 It's obvious because of the amount of missed cues/timing and mistakes still in the scene. If they want me to believe these are Snoke's personal guard, then my fing god, no wonder he was assassinated due to how inept they are at fighting. This is almost parody level inept with how many times they had to miss to avoid killing Ridley or Driver. Same goes for Ridley and Driver; their fighting styles and apparent lack of experience is greatly amplified when it is taken frame by frame. I knew this scene was already pretty bad, but my god, it is an epic disaster of a fight scene.
if they had shot this at least one more time, they MIGHT have fixed the glaring mistakes in the fight scene. Either that or the fighting choreographer is a bigger idiot than Johnson, but that is a stretch imho.
This is what happens when you make your guards wear helmets they obviously can’t see out of. I’m pretty sure they are just swinging at noises
@Michael Peck they have trained in Flailing Toddler style. The first mantra of this style is, If you are always swinging you will eventually hit something lol
Which would be pretty impressive, if the same didn’t seem to be the case with Rey and Kylo. Guess their blindfolds were invisible
Damn they really weren’t kidding when they said daisy Ridley picked up the fight scene in 2 days
True talent doesnt need time or practice it just works
Xellos Kaczor but their was no talent ok
@@tommie751 angry fanboy detected Daisy is perfect and her character is wonderful /s
@@xelloskaczor5051 Agree to disagree
@@xelloskaczor5051 he is just baiting guys just ignore him ...
Some people might say "Isn't it a bit pedantic to analyze a fight scene frame by frame when it takes place in only a few minutes?" The thing is that stunt coordinators and filmmakers ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. BY THEMSELVES. They NEED to account for every single minute movement from ALL characters. That's what filmmaking is. Every single action, facial expression, etc. are ALL incredibly important to both create the action scene while simultaneously characterizing the people involved. You need to be pedantic because you need to control everything.
tbh, i can understand the lack of blade skill I mean rey (to my knowledge) never had any learning, and idk too much about Kylo, but the guards? nah. They should have been as lethal as the imperial guard was in the EU...
@@theaether3124 It would've been totally fine if just Rey, and kiiinda Kylo, sucked compared to the guards; only issue with that though is that Rey absolutely wrecked Kylo in the first movie. But if they both were demonstrated with bad blade skill, it would've been really cool to see how they need to team up in order to survive the onslaught of these red guards.
All on Ruin. Ruin is an AWFUL director. Robot Head did a video where he went through every horrible decision in TLJ and it amounts to quite a bit.
They probably didnt get paid enough. In that regard, I dont blame 'em.
What could interesting is with the lack of Jedi texts, why not focus more on force abilities or fighting with the force? If the form styles of star wars are dead and now unteachable why not go back to force powers or Darth traya styled fighting
This whole fight is basically like that ONE moment in "Return of the Jedi", when Luke kicks one of Jabba's guards off the skiff without even touching him.
Even that could be explained by the Force or something retarded, this is just inexcusable.
@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 A force kick....push.
Salem Saberhagen nah fam, that whole Sail barge scene was a mess. No denying that.
@@stanleylee3329 No, it wasn't! Fuck you! That scene was AWESOME. Especially if you watch it like THIS:
th-cam.com/video/NuUGrtmjQfY/w-d-xo.html
xD
th-cam.com/video/cLmZtNu1e68/w-d-xo.html
The old republic trailers have more cohesive swordsmanship than this scene.
It will be a long time before live action ever trumps Clone Wars/swtor cinematics. Maul in Phantom Menace was cool at first too (when I was 14) now it just looks like choreography. Seeing Mace and Palps as intended in Clone Wars blew my mind; it was hard to watch two senior citizens do it for real in the movie lol
Yep. Honestly, the Old Republic trailers have more cohesive everything than this nonsense. Story, action, characters, everything.
That’s mostly because animated fight scenes are easier to choreograph than irl fights. After all, in animation you can precisely control every aspect of every single character, every single weapon, blaster bolt, environmental hazard etc; everything is artfully placed and it’s beautifully precise.
By contrast, live action fights are harder to choreograph, because it’s not like the director can just pick up one of the actors and move them forward a few pixels on the z axis, and then extrude the actors arms just a liiittttlleee longer to make the pose looker more elegant or something. If one of your actors fucks up the scene, you have to start _all over,_ so as a result live action is a bit more haphazard and care free. Personally, I quite like it. It’s like big, bold fresco painting- it’s all over the place, it’s colourful, the camera moves really nicely to put everything together. It isn’t the precision of an animated trailer, but it’s still artistically interesting in its own way.
In a technical sense though, this fight scene is very ineffectual and inaccurate haha.
They also tell a more cohesive and emotional story in 5 minutes then any of the new Disney movies have been able to do in 2+ hour runtimes
@@amisfitpuivk Considering the Maul fight was literally choreographed with three actors actually doing the stuff and only few additional effects being added in the post production it's actually very impressive. Like, you can make an animated character do whatever you want but that kind of stuff is incredibly demanding for real actors and unless you happen to be a professional sportsman I doubt you could actually sustain the pace even remotely if you tried to do it and instead just run out of breath within a minute or two.
Hey in their defense, they couldn't see squat through those helmets. It's a miracle they didn't kill each other.
Well apparently the force can do anything in this timeline so maybe they have see through
I was thinking more of an Iron Man HUD.
Kill each other..... sounds like a good scene to save for "Spaceballs: The Search for More Money".
(Am aware is a joke but here I am anyways) the helmets do actually have parts that aren't covered so they can actually see
Maybe that's why they spin
As a 40K fan; calling these guys "imperial guards" feels a little insulting to the competency of even the lowliest of the Imperium's cannon fodder.
The planet broke before the guard did!
I doubt both of them could stand up to a Kill Team of Imperial Guard
@@PropagandaDS make that ONE imperial guard
@@gorg6151 of the plot demands it
What's funny is that they are the "equivalent" of the custodes because they are guarding the leader of the whole thing, now imagine 1 Custodes against these guys
Awh man! Thanks for the shout-out! Looking forward to the video. You are always welcome on EFAP :) /
Thanks heaps mate, keep up the great work and can't wait to EFAP again!
It seems that LMS (Long Man Syndrome) is contagious; this is bad for obvious reasons.
@@shadiversity I can illuminate the vanishing blade I think. The movement across Ray's abdomen was supposed to be a cut and the movement to her back where the blade has vanished is supposed to be her getting stabbed in the back. That's what her reactions are saying as it happens. Then as he pulls it back out to do another stab she does or dumb escape flourish. I guess either a rewrite caused the change in editing or they needed to cut back the violence to meet the rating they wanted. Which I personally find even more insulting than the bad choreography excuse.
"It looks nice if you're not paying attention..."
The new Star Wars movies summarized in one line
The whole movie TLJ was great for me... until I thought, and payed attention. Then it was the worst. The throne room was the last bastion of good content, and now Shad has taken that from me too!
@Christopher Marloweand the last jedi is great if you cover your ears and eyes
Well I mean, it’s not just new Starwars, it’s all Star Wars. Don’t get me wrong, I love pretty much all Star Wars, but all fight scenes in the series are pretty flawed haha. One example, the Darth Maul fight scene; it looks really good when it all flows together, but if you break it down scene by scene none of the swings would actually hit, they’re always a bit short of the mark, or there is a bunch of needless twirls, or they aim both aim for the lightsabers rather than the body, etc. Buuuut... I still think the Maul fight is a good fight, because it’s cool, and really Star Wars is a silly space opera, and at the end of the day it’s still impressive cinema.
I love prequels but i think this sentence perfectly summarizes them too
Yup
Rian Johnson to the stuntmen: "Try spinning, that's a good trick."
Stuntman:" I have a bad feeling about this".
Are you an angel?
Shadiversity: "this is where the fun begins"
Prequels:
it’s clear that this battle cannot be decided with our power of the force but with our skill with a light saber.
Sequels:
I’ll try spinning that’s a good trick xD
Which skill? ^^ I don't see any.
Originals: Knights of the middle ages
@@romancapulus5577
originals were more about the story between the fight and not the fight itself
They aren't even fighting other Jedi, they should be spamming Force Push like mad! It worked great in the Jedi Knight games!
Prequels: Imma spin this like a ferris wheel. Not sure which films you were watching.
Honestly, this seems like the actors had absolutely no goddamn idea what they were doing, and the stuntmen had to make stuff up to try and make up stuff to keep the choreography going because apparently no one bothered to give them directions and they had to do it in one take.
So it's like "Okay, I need to strike Rey now... and she's still facing the other way, alright, how do I make it look good... spinning? Yeah, I'll try spinning, that's a good trick. Alright, now bring the glaive down, and... she missed the mark entirely, whatever, they'll add a spark in post, now side kick to all three o-- she just booted the guy in the middle, okay, whatever, they don't pay me enough."
Yeah, I think they were just told to fight them, but don't hit them
Sounds like a job I left from. lol wouldn't train me, had to learn by whatever means.
Deserter at least it doesn’t look like fricken dancing and has actual emotion behind it. Unlike 99% of the lightsaber battles in the prequels
@@xxraddude3621
If the emotion is "confusion", then yes, I agree.
And then you watch Hayden and Ewan practicing for Episode III and understand that everything is much worse.
Snoke: What is your experience?
Imperial Guards: Well, we were members of the Imperial Ballet....
Snoke: YOU'RE HIRED, you are my new imperial guards.
Imperial Guards: ??????
imo, This fight was as bad as the Sand Snakes fight in GoT
That was the perfect hire ... for that "throne room", which looks like it was used for a 50s dance movie and Fred Astaire only just left the stage.
@@Muck006 The guards probably came with the room when Snoke bought it.
@@pRahvi0 Maybe Snoke was like "the son" from this historic document: th-cam.com/video/aNaXdLWt17A/w-d-xo.html
Best choreography in this video:
Your 1 year old son.
So true haha
At least it made sense
@El Gusanillo Del Juego Agreed, little Guts!
Agreed! That fight is also better than the duel in A New Hope haha
Some people tried to say that the prequels if you slowed it down probably had problems just like this fight scene, I love that shad totally disproves it.
Watch the fight between qui-gon, Obi-Wan and Darth Maul. Or Dooku vs Anakin, or Palpatine vs those jedi masters that just stood there and let themselves get killed. There are some great duels in the prequels, but a lot that suffer the same issues shown here. A lot of it comes down to time and what you need to serve the story. This scene would have been better from a choreography standpoint if they just used stunt doubles, but it serves the story better to actually see the actors.
@@johnmarc1986 your comparing old star wars to something that people were excited and the built up to a dumb fight scene........
Atleast the Palpatine and Mace Windo. Was a decent fight scene, the other Jedi masters weren't expecting that Darth Sidious was gonna immediately be the first to attack.
Also had they not make the scene to show how powerful Darth Sidious was. It'd be a joke that Darth Sidious the most powerful Sith lord be having trouble with jedi masters. Also we don't even know what kind of jedi masters we're they.
We're they medium? Intermediate ? Or what not?
@@koreancowboy42 So a bunch of masters understimated a menace and got destroyed in seconds, that still makes them losers.
@@koreancowboy42 mace vs palpi was a mess. Because ian mcdiarmid had never trained for the choreography and it shows.
@@johnmarc1986
Maul vs Qui-gon and Obi-Wan is one of the best duels in the saga BECAUSE of how well choreographed it was. It was one of the instances where all combatants genuinely looked as if trying to kill or incapacitate. Compare it to a lot of older duels in fencing films involving 2v1s and you'll see what I mean.
Also it made sense why Palpatine made those masters look like utter noobs, as it was explained that 1) he and mace were just that disgusting and on another level than the rest and 2) he utilized force scream and was said to blitz those masters while they were stunned.
There's no explanation for the shitty choreography seen in this fight though and it's easily the worst in the saga. When you have **weapons** appearing and randomly disappearing mid fight it's not much of a competition
"my one year old son could hit this" - Shad the PE teacher, 2019
With video proof!
He would have been a better casting choice for child Anakin :D
Fun isn't something one considers when discussing the Last Jedi. But this does put a smile on my face.
r/unexpectedthanos
Dread it, run from it, criticism arrives all the same...
DrDoomsday r/expectedthanos for balance
Light-saber: A virtually weightfree weapon, that doesn't need strength as long as it's not blocked with another laser-type weapon, or if you try to puncture 70cm of steel.
Rey: *swings like she's wielding a telephone pole*
NeRethil Wolfsson you guys are ridiculous. Your like “Oh, she’s such a Mary Sue! She’s so OP!”. But when she isn’t a perfect lightsaber duelist, you’re all over her. It’s fucking ridiculous
@@xxraddude3621 That would be a great comeback if I was one to diss Rey because she "naturally fights like a master jedi". Which I'm not.
NeRethil Wolfsson well most do. Agree to disagree I guess
@@xxraddude3621 Oh, I am aware. I just reacted as it seemed uncalled for to target my comment (which was more about the screen treatment of the weapon than the choreography or character's skill, btw) :)
NeRethil Wolfsson ok we are cool then.
Dont even mention that in almost all time fighting Rey was full of Rage what is not the Jedi way
She’s not even a real Jedi and I’m not defending her bc I really do think these movies were ass but she can’t even be called a Jedi
@@gordiandres Ahsoka which was literally expelled from the jedi order, but was more of a jedi than Ray shields would ever be
@@Splinter-ge9pf and I agree with you Ahsoka is my favorite character. I was just doing an "ACKshually" kind of thing here n being an ass but I fully agree with you
Splinter6662 technically after she was removed she was brought back into the order after the false accusations have been solved but decided to leave, because she saw the hypocrisy the Jedi have become
It's the leftist liberal way though.
*Sees title*
This is where the fun begins!
George Lucas: your going to train sparing with each other until we get this fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin right.
Rian Johnson: Daisy hold this light saber prop, ok, ACTION.
Captain Chair it just shows how little Rian actually cares
@@drawde_064 "you guys wanna try that a second time?" -
"Nah"
Mental Desolation pretty much Rian’s attitude
*Ruin Johnson
kinda sad how in the wake of the last jedi people are gonna pretend and give lucus more credit even though he's notorious for his lazy directing, not to mention that star wars was so great because of pretty much everyone that wasn't him since when he got the control he wanted he made the god awful prequals. also the fights in the prequals are as bad as anything in the last jedi
Everyone in this fight: "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick"
Praetorian guard instructor: why do I sence that we've picked up more pathetic lifeforms?
The spinning is not even cool looking like when Darth Maul did it, it looks so clumsy and slow lol.
@@metalmugen darth maul was fighting 2 opponents and was using a double bladed lightsaber, even at a half spin he is already engaging with his adversary again. Also its constantly moving, and well choreographed.
I Said this out loud as I was watching. My inner bully: NERD!!!
metalmugen Darth Maul was a badass of the highest degree. He had what was in my opinion the Best lightsaber, if he had enough skill he could be constantly a threat. His double bladed lightsaber can activate the 2 blades individually of each other, this ability of his lightsaber makes it much more dangerous to his opponents.
how did this scene get past
1. the choreographers
2. the actors
3. the people behind the camera
4. the editors
5. the people who saw it post edit
😞
Kathleen Kennedy
1. They hired people who don’t ask questions
2. They hired people who don’t ask questions
3. They hired people who don’t ask questions
4. They hired people who don’t ask questions
5. They hired people who don’t ask questions
But doesn't Rey look stunning and brave blocking 3 guys attacks at once with ease?
@@zonefreakman omg she totally does!!! Filthy men are coping and seething at this spectacular and well-written female character! The force is female!!!
Not to mention they did MULTIPLE TAKES of this fight scene, and THIS was the one they landed on. I’d hate to see how the other takes went.
Man, all of the guys in this fight wouldn’t last 5 minutes against Obi-Wan Kenobi or Anakin Skywalker
or one of the younglings
Or Shads one year old
I agree, seeing how good they were while fighting each other.
@ Some guy with a wooden club could probably beat them.
forget about knights like obi wan or anakin, a dad gum padawan could destroy these guys
Lightsaber combat has 7 forms and let just say legit none of them were used
No all of them were used at once and just like mixing all the colors together, you end up with a poop brown color
this is laser sword fighting. Lightsaber combat is not this uncivilized
tbh trying to find form usage in the movies is pretty damn hard, even in the more choreographed prequels. Obi-Wan is supposed to use form three, and anakin form five, yet in their fight they fight identically
@@donutboi467 actually anakin definitely fights much more aggressively and Obi-Wan much more defensively, unless you are talking about episode 1 where Obi-Wan and qui-gon use a different style (I think form 1?) Which is just basic attack and defense.
@@legg8866 Form 4 Ataru, more acrobatic and focused on attacking and defending while moving. After Qui-gon's death, Obi-wan switches to form 3 soresu because he believes that Soresu would have saved Qui-gon
I have a theory that might explain everything. Everyone in their Galaxy has lost their depth perception. That's why elite Imperial Stormtroopers can't shoot, everyone overswings and you have to use the Force to each your cereal. Wait! Did anyone eat anything except for blue milk, up to this point? Vitamin A deficiency? Hmmmmmm.
Rey had an apple with broccoli on it in Maz's cantina in The Force Awaken. I remember because it looked weird.
Maybe Finn had some too, I don't remember. I'm not watching the film again just to find out.
I mean looking at those helmets.... they can't see much.
The autistic OT nerd in me just has to say:
THEY MISSED ON PURPOSE THEY WERE ORDERED TO ALLOW THEM TO ESCAPE THEY EXPLAIN IT RIGHT AFTER THEY DO SO IN THE MOVIE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Even the targeting computers can't hit exhausts ports, and the rebel pilots don't aim directly for the target but instead do the trench run thing. No depth perception. Sketchy understanding of 3D dimensions all over.
26:55 This is also a problem for Rey in EA-Battlefront 2. She has a lightsaber that can cut through basically anything, but most of her attacks seem to be punches or kicks, while holding the weapon off to the side.
Atleast it's accurate to the source material
Rey actually deals one of the weakest lightsaber hits in the game, but it’s to compensate for her crazy powerful force attacks. She literally had an attack that reverses the opponents controls
They wanted to same money by not animating that arm.
Luke, obi wan, and Rey all have kicks thrown into their spam combos, but it does the same damage I believe
If I ever make a film with swords, I can:
A. never let Shad see it
B. Learn from Shad
C. Hire Shad as head of swords
I'd pick options b and c in a heartbeat, while also possibly bringing Scholagladiatoria in as well as a consultant.
Shad's son as the evil villain who is an expert with all forms of swordplay
Cyrus Wolfe agree
C! Final answer!
To be safe, just cast Shad as every character.
"This is a new series on Shadiversity...!"
Keep on...
What happened to the old ones?
When i saw your son wielding that big as sword.
"It was too large to be called a sword, more like a raw slab of iron"
*clang*
The kids gonna grow up to be an irl Guts
We don’t carry any tiny swords for babies here anyways.
Good reference
This is exactly the same sort of fight choreography you would have if professional stuntmen had to pretend to lose to unreshearsed children making stuff up as they go.
These guards feel like Assassin's Creed enemies, but even in Assassin's Creed two guys will attack you once in while.
Newer AC combat is better tho. Even still, getting the combos right in AC2, AC3(especially with animals) was difficult
@Ethan yeah tell that to those grenadiers since they are the only smart AI.
@Ethan When someone says "Grenadiers", they mean people who throw grenades. It's in the name
@Ethan They throw grenades and do unparryable axe swings and I've been killed by both those things so that's a fuckin' lie at the end of your comment
The dagger just vanishing is by far my favorite stupid thing on this.
I personally like the lightsaber being stuck on the whip and Rey moving forward towards the whip guy of her own accord.
I’m imagining Anakin coming into the room and killing everyone without a scratch. Even if they all teamed up they still couldn’t take him down
MasterGamer23 *COUGH COUGH* PLOT ARMOR *COUGH COUGH*
Hed choke them to death all at once
@@m.564 Same can be said to Rey but with 20x more effect.
Unknown User That and the fact that while Rey git a flesh wound, Anakin got his freaking HAND cut off. I guess plot armor doesn’t defend the hands.
I can imagine:
-the automatic door open.
- Anakin come into the room
- the door close
- 2 seconds later the door open again
- Anakin come out and all the people in the room are dead.
Missing dagger isn't the only fatal problem. Look where his other dagger is. There is exactly nothing stopping him from twisting his wrist down and bringing that dagger right into Reys head.
20:33 Shad. You forgot to point out the fact that it would technically be impossible to disarm someone just by hitting the tip of their spear, and if you can clearly see, the fucking guard just throws his spear away, literally just throws it away
at least they somewhat attempted to make it seem a slight bit realistic...
Finally someone realizes! They just tossed it off to the side!
I know it's not fair to watch it in slo-mo, but the timing was completely wrong. His spear would have gone between the other two and clipped Ren in the head.
This is one of the worst made scenes in cinema history. The writing, directing, choreography and acting are complete failures much like all of Disney to be fair.
Shad’s son should be considered for Elite Imperial training, he looks to be exhibiting early signs of force sensitivity...
"Is that supposed to look cool? Maybe to an untrained eye!"
Me: Sweats profusely
If you've ever held a pool noodle you've done a more advanced flourish
Son of Dathomir I’ve defeated a samurai army with a pool noodle
@@Dingo-wk5ed Pool noodles are supreme
@@DavidEllis94 who uses pool noodles I just use regular noodles
@@spicysnowman8886 oh duels with the bros at the pool are the best
13:28 Another funny point about this whole “oh no he’s pulling my sword” thing would be the fact that if the guard just let go of his whip or merely stepped forward suddenly Rey since she’s pulling her lightsaber towards herself with great force she would accidentally kill herself with a slap to the face with the lightsaber
or he could try to disarm her by yunno whipping in directions you weigh more than her so put your back into it and whip to her left if you disarm her good if you don't you should have taken her off balance with your whip range is your friend
Not to mention she could have just turned the saber off and on quickly to get free.
@@ricofed439 thats supposedly unsportsmanlike or something which i find rather odd since its a fight to the death
@@ricofed439
Its a forbidden technique,
Jedi and Sith consider it Dangerous and Cowardice which is bullshit.
@anotherordinaryfellow6935 yeah, but rey's barely gotten any training atp, and I doubt Luke taught her that it's dishonorable to turn her lightsaber off in a fight. Out of universe, of course, she doesn't because the fight was badly choreographed and executed worse.
It’s strange how infrequently force users actually use the force in combat.
Watching the cutscenes from the Old Republic mmo makes this fight scene look even worse.
@@th31r0nhand9 they do it right in SWTOR. My Sith Inquisitor can walk past groups of enemies and kill them with a gesture.
All the pre-Disney content usually does a great job showing off force powers, Force Unleashed is great. Some books I've read do justice as well
Hell even the Phantom Menace did a good job of showing off force powers in combat
that is because the force is in a Galaxy far far away from shitty disney
20:04 I wish Shadiversity noticed this but that "Disarmed" Guard literally tosses his weapon away. Look at him! LOOK. This is his internal dialogue.
Guard: Guess I'll just die.
Aye, he went in for a swing, then decided against it (his weapon never made contact with the others) and just threw his weapon away so he could get stabbed.
25:32 Kylo never hit the whip guy, The whip guy missed his swing and got caught in his own whip.
Behold, The Elite Guard.
Well, he read the script, so he knew there was no chance to beat Rey because the plot said so. So he just said, "F**k it. Let her kill me."
@@Myth_or_Mystery76 Ren killed them.
I can’t wait till Darth Rey kills someone with the flip saber, Shad is going to have a fit
CaptainHellfire you made me spit take my soda
maybe she'll kill herself with it, since it's unusable garbage.
The weapon in question is probably not even a light saber but a coat hanger that she will use to hang her cloak on . (like the fellow in raiders of the lost ark)
More like when she throws and catches it for the first time, and it doesn't snap shut and cut her in two.
Adam Jenkins light scissors ✂️
If only there was a mystical power Rey and Ren could have used during this fight for some of the most fantastical parts of the fight. Like disarming, pushing or pulling their opponents off balance or performing feats of acrobatics.
Like, some sort of energy, an external Force if you will.
Crazy talk
Absolutely ludicrous
"Lightsaber tech support, how may I help you?"
"Hi, someone seems to have wrapped a weird whip thing around my lightsaber blade and it is stuck like you wouldn't believe."
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
*mind blowing move*
That was my first thought.
Oof thats brutal..
Raynman Gaming ya it’s not rocket science
That’s not an insult towards you
...
Imperial Guard: *Gets the perfect opening*
Filmmakers: _Swaggity swan, your weapon is gone_
Malte Meyer
Yes it is
Malte Meyer “ English, you’re drunk. GO HOME.”
@@maltemeyer3171 It may be stupid, but English will mug your language and use what it can take :)
Darth Maul would decimate everyone in that room while still wearing his robe and one lightsaber ignited.
Shad’s son could decimate them all with nothing but a booger on his finger
darth maul would slice obi wan in half too.
AndHelloAgain oh I don’t think so
Literally any prequel, OT or decently trained Jedi would wallop everyone in that room. Hell, I think one week trained Luke could kill everyone pretty easily.
Darth Maul was portrayed by someone with actual martial arts experience.
...hilariously enough so was Count Dooku, but Christopher Lee was always a badass.
I did that exact same Rey flourish when I was 10 years old and playing with lightsabers. Good job choreographer!
Ditto, I did it because if taw featured in KotOR.
Almost any Jedi or Sith from the first two trilogies could annihilate everyone in that room in 30 seconds.
Jonathan Sefcik 10*
Darth Vader would have simply strangled them without even giving their swords the honor to get in contact with his, I think...
Yoda: Time to dust my light saber kung fu, it is!
Just send General Grievous and he wouldn't even use 4 lightsabers.
JarJar could've whooped their ass
This fight scene is so horrifically choreographed, I can’t believe it’s in any movie, let alone Star Wars.
I’m glad you dissected this fight scene and pointed out the egregious failures.
Honestly, it always bothered me whenever anyone complemented this fight scene.
Sad Man wailt people compliment this horrendous scene?
@@miawpower8521 shockingly, yes
@Miaw Power
2:35
This is probably why, although I’ve no idea how anyone can shut off their brain to the point that they can’t see a problem with this fight scene.
I mean, the choreography isn't all bad. I'd say the larger problem is that they frankly weren't willing to put in the proper amount of takes to actually pull off what was actually choreographed. Frankly, a lot of this looks like they didn't quite get the timing right during that specific take, and the stuntmen just followed through with the script, figuring they'd retake the mistake.
Oracle of Space
I agree if they had more takes, they could have gotten better shots. The Shadiversity Fight Scene Autopsy still shows most of it being obvious play-fighting.
I hate it when the “bad guys” fail to use proper teamwork in group fights. It’s annoying to see some stand back, twirling their weapons and missing on purpose.
Scenes like 39:45 anger me the most. I refuse to say the choreography is anywhere decent when fight scenes play out like this.
“The Last Jedi gets Shad on.” would have been a better title.
But as an avid swordsman everything this man says is correct, my biggest problem with this scene that he doesn’t mention however, (probably because he’s looking at it from a historical perspective and not a lore perspective), is that there an insane amount of moments where these sword-fighting sins could actually be corrected if either Rey or especially Kylo quickly used the Force to either block a hit, push or pull an opponent off balance or far away, yank away an opponent’s weapon, force choke or freeze someone in Kylo’s case, just anything at all. Two “trained” Force-users on opposite ends of the balance spectrum, one light and one dark, and neither of them use it at all during a fight where they’re completely outnumbered by “highly trained” opponents. And before you come at me with “they were in combat, they didn’t have time to focus their power” in the seventh movie Kylo reflexively stopped a blaster shot in midair and just held it without difficulty, even if Rey couldn’t manage it, he should have been able to do SOMETHING.
Yep. When Rey threw her saber to Kylo, I was thinking "why didn't he just force pull his own saber?"
hell, in the gennedy "clone wars" cartoon, Dooku does something similar when he was training grievous. he used a slight force push to knock him off balance and break his stance.
but that's understandable since Dooku was one of the best duelists in the galaxy.
@@maxacorn Also Mace Windu used the force and crushed Grievous chest plate with his organs inside, which is why Grievous had to flee and has those coughing fits every now and then. And later Obi Wan used the force to help him deflect the barrage of lightsabers that Grievous was swinging at him. Point is this entire fight should have been way easier if Kylo used his force powers that he trained for and Rey pulled some force power out of her ass because she is perfect at everything anyway.
@@remito7839 depends on the continuity you are using. the force crush happened in the gennedy "clone wars" series. it didn't happen in the CGI "clone wars" series.
kylo is a trained sith under smoke who was supposedly controlled by Palatine. He should've force coke all of the say once
I got really emotionally invested when the one guard tried to show off his cool spin... I bet he spent a lot of time practicing it.
The double dagger stuntman is just looking at Rey like “Jeez, and I thought I was bad at this.”
Ah, Shad's favorite phrase these days
*As A Writer Myself*
Lol you've earned it though
Mr MacGuffin He has gone from “Senpai” to “Sensei.” Our boyish man is now a manly man.
Shad: I'm calling them the imperial guard
**angry 40k noises**
Ours is beter. They hit 50% of the time.
ORK BOYZ SOLVE THAHZ THAT WITHZ MORE DAKKA
@@tuhkakasa1917 Shhh! Chut up, ye dumy! No uze more dakka, ye haf to uze BIGGA DAKKA! AND PAINT DA GUNZ IN YELLOU FOR MORE KABOON! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
martyn kalendar Orks have a better time at fight and they are retarded
some warhammer fantasy video game trailers have cool sword fighting... maybe next time
After watching your breakdown of this fight... I'm half wondering if the entire fight scene was filmed in just one take without any practice or training beforehand. Or any re-takes either.
@RetroACE135 probably was filmed once you know
It had to have been filmed in one take because they would have had to reset the burning red curtain every time and I can imagine that would be annoying.
@@Foobie07 that's all probably just vfx, otherwise it's a hazard
Considering old "one draft Johnson" it would not surprise me.
Shad Fact: A single drop of Shad's blood contains enough life energy to renew life on Mars. Fortunately for earth he has never bled.
Shad is the new Chuck Norris I see. Yeah.
can we get some information about Shads Stand?
like under the nex video ore something?
Didn't his brother cut Shad's finger with a shield?
Shad, please send vials of your blood. With it, we can terraform the moon and Mars, we can possibly even make Fukushima and Chernobyl habitable again.
@@lasmgoogleaccount9728 how a bug like you dear to demand anything from a god like Shad
Shad: "Kill him. Kill him now."
Star Wars Fighters: "I shouldn't."
Shad: "DEW IT."
fighters: no I dont think I will
Shad: “Take up a guard position. Take up a guard position now.
Star Wars Fighters: “I shouldn’t.”
Shad: “DEW IT.”
I swear there was better choreography in The Tragedy of Darth Sand.
Shad: "Put of an actual Guard stance!"
Snokes Guards: "No I wont do it!"
Shad: "then you will die!"
It's not the Hollywood way
"Um actually..."
About deactivating and reactivating lightsaber.
In "old expanded universe" there was non-numbered lightsaber form called Trakata which used such maneuvers to both pass enemy's guard and unbalance opponent by briefly deactivating LS. And also used deceptive attack where lightsaber was only activated in the moment of impact.
Yup, Corran Horn made manipulating the length of his blade, including switching it off entirely, the main shtick of his fighting technique.
I did think that was a neat bit of lore in the EU. I think there where also lightsabers with different length settings.
I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. Took longer than I expected, knowing how fast fans are able to respond.
That sounds way more effective and interesting than anything we've seen in movies.
*Obligatory Kreia fanboism*
Isn't Kreia just the best character in anything ever? Shame we never actually see her use trakata but oh well.
9:24-9:25 You can see Finn’s face for a split-second. He’s always watching.
Why is that
He’s patiently waiting for his cue to yell “REY!!!”
Guard: Randomly spins
Shad: *HERESY!*
Wow, you're at 66 likes! Guess it's time to kill the jedi.
Ben L Jedi? WHERE????
You can't be too hard on them. They are getting paid by the spin.
Guard: "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick."
Now this is duelling
Oops
The prequels are laughing in the distance.
The prequels may have been bad
But they had the absolute best
Fight scenes in the searies
turkey archer Disagree on them being bad, but I’ll always agree on the choreography being spectacular.
The Prequel Trilogy: Hold my beer.
Idk there was a lot of superfluous spinning, flipping and twirling in the prequels too.
I think George Lucas paid these directors to make astonishingly awful films so that his prequel trilogy looks godly in comparison
Since I have never seen a sword master who trained Daisy and Adam, like Nick Gillard trained Ewan and Hayden for the prequels, I am 100% sure that Rian Johnson is responsible for this mess of a fight choreography.
C'mon man, Clearly, it was Snoke's birthday, and he hired these dancers, who were dressed as his guards for that extra kink factor for what would come later. (I mean, why else was he wearing a robe during a workday?)
Sniff. Poor people. They were just trying to pay their way through school. :(
Jokes aside, it really looks like a bad fight scene in a musical or high school play.
jerryboomerwang yeah, and a leopard print robe at that.
@@DiddyBohlen c'mon dude. I've watched some pretty good high school musical fight scenes
I'm pretty sure that the average dancer would have killed Rey or Kylo 1v1. Also, I think a lot of high school actors would be insulted.
"if you're just watching without paying attention, it's easy to enjoy" covers a lot of movies I've seen in the few years, sadly.
Unfortunately, although this works for this scene, so much other scenes in this movie aren't even enjoyable when not paying attention.
I really hope the next movie (or at least series) will do a 180 in terms of quality. For christ sake, involve some true fans, some people who actually know how you need to fight, etc and you can almost not go wrong, because the true fans will rip your scipt to pieces for any bad thing and the "professionals" will point out nearly every problem in thinking/fight scenes/... But no, lets just write it ourselves and make every new movie worse than the previous one.
*Rian "David Benioff" Johnson:* "Kylo kinda forgot about his Force freeze powers..."
Funny enough; Game of Thrones isn't the only adaptation that David Benioff ruined. He was also the lead writer for X-Men Origins: Wolverine. That's right; he's the guy that thought sewing Ryan Reynolds' mouth shut was a good idea.
@@matthewmuir8884 Deadpool and Deadpool 2 just go to ahow how AMAZINGLY wrong and out of touch he was with that move. How embarassing for him, lol.
@@BertoxolusThePuzzled Yep. That's one reason I brought it up.
@@matthewmuir8884 I mean seriously, muting the "Merc with a Mouth? It was in the freaking name... What an ignoramus lol.
Big time I just mentioned that in my post lol 😂😂😂
This fight is so cute
That even Anakin will slaughter these guards without even damn about what he thinks
Even Luke, who barely ever uses a lightsaber even vaguely lethally, would turn them into paper dolls. They'd look even worse than the Death Bots from the Mandalorian.
@@theendersmirk5851 a basic blaster firing 1shot per second could wreck the dumb fricks
B1 Battle droids might even kill a few of them lmfao
@@neor1600 b1 a wayward bandit crew would
In the movie when Anakin was fighting in a 2v1 against one of the best lightsaber duelists outside the big 3 (Obi-Wan, Mace, Yoda) single-handed whilst barely trying because he was too busy using his left hand to strangle a 3rd to death.
It really puts into perspective how bad of lightsabre duelists everyone in this fight is.
This fight scene is a good representation of TLJ as a whole. At first glance it looks fine, even good. But if you start to poke at it a bit, it starts to crack and eventually it just falls apart.
Incarn
Just don't think about it too hard. Just like the transformers movies: if you perform lobotomy on yourself beforehand they're actually quite enjoyable
If you slow anything down to single frames it's going to look stupid.
A good comparison is that scene in GTA V when Franklin and Trevor are going to buy crack and it turns out to be Drywall with a small dime bag inside
@@adfdasdfadfadsfareae naw fam watch any other fight in starwars and it looks way better than this
A C you know what really doesn’t look stupid? Anakin vs Obi Wan, while I understand that video wasn’t up yet when you made your comment, the point stands (also watch that video it’s really good, same channel)
This scene Can be explained in One sentence
"You spin me right round baby right round like a revord baby right round round round"
And then when the guard runs away "fuck this shit I'm out."
Anakin would be proud.
@@spynix0718 Because spinning is a good trick.
Praetorian Guards: We’re the elite of the elite
Shad: Are you sure about that
Praetorian Guards: plot armour is a BITCH.
I think the Praetorian Guards are supposed to be Knights of Ren. In an example of how some writers loathe the Disney movies there is a comic that I think is canon as well where Luke utterly mops the floor with them and acknowledges they aren't trained AT ALL.
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I suspect, that the Praetorian Guards were given their Elite Skills of handling close combat weapons in the same training facility that producesd The Stormtroopers who - if you remember - were the Elite assault troops of Empire and marksmen or remarkable skill. There's something common in their techniques as you could say.
Like purposefully not hitting the opponent.
"Look at is face. In this frame right here, Kylo is choking himself"
Me: watching the edgelord fight
Me *shrug* "Makes sense to me"