CSL DD vs. Moza R9 - 4 Months Later
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GT Omega Prime XL RS Seat
Moza R9 and CS/GS Wheel
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Hard to believe a year has already gone by, I think I’ve been in the game for just over a year, can’t remember when I started exactly. I do remember it was on F1 2021 and with the Logitech G29…how far we’ve come!!!
Dude. I can't believe it either. Starting on the weak stuff makes you crave more. I saw ASR'S new setup and dang it looks sweet. 2023 is gonna be another broke year. Hahaha
@@grayzedynamics what the ASR Pro or the rig that has the triple Ark screens?
I started in 2021 and since then everything changed
Both. But I was looking at the Pro because that's in my price range hahaha.
This dang sim racing is addicting and expensive. Haven't touched my ps5 in months. Possibly 6 month at least.
Hi from China.
I bought the R9, CS Wheel and SRP pedals just over a week ago. I was going to buy a CSL DD + McLaren or GT DD Pro package but the sellers here had either run out or the prices were beyond insane.
I really like the R9. The difference compared to my G29 was night and day. The pedals are ok but I would strongly recommend getting the accessory kit. I found the stock spring and dampner far too soft. There was a huge amount of travel before I got to the resistance point. The stiffest spring and dampner is much better.
Howdy from the states.
Nice. I love my Moza gear. The ease at which I can just add a different wheel by adding the QR. Software is easy and works as described. I had the CSL DD and Mclaren wheel too. The Mclaren wheel is no comparison to the GS imo. But coming from the G29 must feel like a massive upgrade.
I haven't used their pedals I'm running Sprints at the moment. I do like some travel but want a defined threshold and braking point. So it makes sense to get the upgrade. Did I don't use a clutch so I would remove myself. Those pedals do look good too. I hear the brake is excellent. Thanks for the update.
Very informative 👏🏾 good stuff Ray
Hopefully video looks better. I didn't have the settings correct in OBS. Racing streams should look better.
@@grayzedynamics it was ok for what you were doing (360 fps) go back and look at it.
I always look but after looking I want an outside opinion always. Looked up some settings to be correct. Mad the recording at 60000.
Hey man 1st time seen ur vid. Well done sir props to you
Thanks man. That was my first video. Was so nervous. lol
great review thanks !
Most welcome. Thanks for the feedback.
I started sim racing back in 2005-2007? My first sim racing game is the GTR Evo game on PC. Fantastic legendary game. I had a G25 wheel i got when it first came out and that was the top dog of racing wheels at that time. I recently sold it like 2 years ago during the pandemic as I wasn’t using it much and needed space in my apartment. Roll on to this year and at the beginning of the year i started racing again but on a control pad! It took me ages to get semi competitive in ACC on a pad with all assists off but i did it!!
I was this close to buying a CSL DD until i heard about R9 and also life conditions changed as i and my partner decided to go full on buying our first property. So i am currently in limbo until i move into my new place which is way bigger than where I am now!! Soo I’m eyeing a R16 and sprint pedals as i wanna buy once and forget about it . I know if i get the r9, i will be eager to upgrade it again to get a more powerful wheelbase. Since deciding to move to a new place, moza has released 2-3 new wheels, 2 pedals and now another wheelbase. It’s crazy how much progression moza has achieve in the space of 6 months!
I completely understand the life situation. As we evolve and grow, some things have to be put on hold. However like you, with those steps comes a better opportunity for future fun. I am eyeing the R21 myself for a future upgrade. Just be at that range and be done, I just want to see a comparison between the simucube and r21. The simucube is the gold standard right now and I want to see the main differences and how it stacks up.
Hopefully by the time you upgrade I have a 5% off coupon to use on my affiliate link. I started out with Gran Turismo decades ago it seems but sold it all. Was on the PlayStation with F1 games and now I'm happy to be on PC.
Hope to see you on track soon.
How did that cs wheel hold up for GT racing? Was thinking about getting that and another half wheel similar to what you have. I still want to be able to get my adjustments. Nice channel will definitely be keeping an eye out
Thanks for following. It actually held up quite well if I say so. It has been a good wheel. Just haven't used much and wanna pay it forward. When you add the fact you can change the wheel rim to another. Just made it even better. I'd recommend it for sure. And at the price. Great buy.
I loving it. I like your cs wheel mod. Where best place to get these sort of mods for the R9?
Still playing about with pithouse ffb settings for iracing cant find the sweet spot yet
Yeah. It can be tricky with DD bases. They should create a way to share setups in the software. I've used torn racing and sim racing bay. Honestly, just searching for 70mm options. I've found a bunch of options. That bolt pattern makes things so easy. I've seen some other custom rims and it looks like Cube Controls will be making more.
Got an open box r9 wheelbase at microcenter for $300! Hella good deal I just had to buy it. Loving it so far!
Nice. That is an amazing deal. Get it while you can. Those open box items at Microcenter are a life saver. You can save so much money it's crazy. Did the same myself with some gear for the rig.
Thanks... nice video
Thanks
Nice video….I just received my R9 and I’m waiting for my FSR to arrive. Hong Kong to Seattle is taking forever. 😢
Dude especially when you want it like NOW!!! I remember waiting and emailing a ton. It was quick tho one I got the shipping info. Why didn’t you order from Sim Motion? They are right in your area?
Thanks man I appreciate it.
Thanks for your feedback. I have a Thrustmaster T300 and itching to move up to direct drive but I’m iffy with most reviews I see comparing Moza and Fanatec. It feels sponsored and biased. Most lean towards Fanatec but my gut feeling tells me Moza. We have the same thinking like the GS wheel so I feel like I can relate to your style. I’m ALMOST deadset on Moza. 😉 Another month to decide.
Nice. I think you will like it a ton. This was honestly a dilemma at first. CSL DD from a proven company to Moza R9. I was nervous, and the reviews I saw were positive but some were not. Then I got my hands on it and it was an easy decision. The Mclaren wheel although nice for the price, at $199 is decent but after a ton of upgrades. The Moza was a no brainer. I love my R9, but may upgrade to the VRS only becsuse of bang for buck at $799 for 20nm. However, I'd still recommend the R9 for anyone just jumping into DD. The R5 is nice but I feel you may always want that little more and the R9 is perfect for about 90% of drivers. Take your time, more is coming almost daily. Good thing about Moza tho is the gear that's coming and the FSR is freaking sweet.
@@grayzedynamics the question is, who has the better after sales support? The reason why I went with Thrustmaster was because Fanatec wasn’t available at the time I wanted to buy one. It was out of stock for a long time and although I’m sure that doesn’t correlate with their support, it dampened my enthusiasm. I hope Moza’s aggressiveness to capture some of the sim racing market will push them to do better on all aspects. You said you hated the alcantara but I think they have a V2 with a different material now. I’m not sure about the girth though.
Yeah Alcantara is not my fav. I do think Moza is decent at customer service. I haven't had any issues myself. I have heard that wait times can be annoying but they generally do a good job. I think they may be growing faster than they can possibiy staff. I had one issue and they got back to me a few days later so no real issues. Fanatec didn't do the best when I did reach out but not bad by any means.
bro i started about a year and a half ago start with a g29 on my desk i now have a gt omega prime cockpit with thrustmaster t300 with rally wheel load cell pedals. i did have the simforge mark 1 pedal witch are better then thrustmaster but the software was that good when i got them. now im looking to get the thrustmaster dd because i have all there stuff all ready. i also started onroad driving so much different for me coming from rally racing. also have a sim magic shifter on order too
Dude. Nice setup. I’m sure that DD wheelbase will be awesome. Makes you faster by itself. The DD response time is amazing. Buying into an ecosystem makes life easy. We spend so much money on this gear. I was on a wheelstand first. Was epic to change. Which seat do you have? I have the XLRS but want a proper bucket seat. Found one at Microcenter. The SimLab XL. I wish I had the updated pedal tray too.
The new GS called the GS V2 wheel has perforated leather grips now.
I saw that. Much better than the Alcantara to me. Sounds like they may have listened to the feedback. Kudos to them.
Pumped for my r9 hopefully they ship it soon
Sweet. I think you will like it quite a bit. It's such a sweet spot when it comes to price and quality. What are you upgrading from?
just sold my CSR Elite and pre-ordered R5 Bundle...with performance spring! I HATE the Fanatec hub design. It's such a coincidence that I was able to sell my Fanatec now after listing 6+ months ago and Moza notifying me that shipping will be just late January...there must really be a Santa Claus!
Nice. I had upgraded from CSL ELITE to CSW 2.5 to CSL DD. Then finally decided to upgrade to the R9. Love it. I think you will love the Moza system. I haven't used the R5 but I do hear it is a nice step up. I would recommend the upgraded pedals at some point. Load cell is the best bet and get their wheel rim mod. Glad your joining the club.
Thank you for this review. I'm on the fence on moza or fanatec. Obviously tax return season and I'm buying one. This is a great honest review! I think I. Leaning towards the r9 bundle!
Glad I could be of help. I think the wheelbases are pretty much equivalent. Once you get to the QR system. Fanatec is way behind. 9nm to 8nm wont notice a huge difference. The big difference is in the wheels and all the gear that is coming to the scene. Moza has a full fledged eco-system from beginner R5 to full on R21. With pedals, wheels, handbrakes and more coming. Good time to be on the ground floor. Good luck and hope to see you on track.
@@grayzedynamics who did you order through? Direct from moza? I'm assuming 3-4 week shipping
I ordered directly from Moza. At minimum it's at least 3-4 weeks. Also depends on if you decide to order from a partner. I ordered a separate QR from US.SIM-MOTION.COM and I got it within a week. So direct or partner is cool and partners will get to you sooner. If your overseas, sim race web shop is great too.
@@grayzedynamics in the lower 48! So we're good. I appreciate you!
I have no complaints with my CSL DD with GT3 wheel, but I would consider switching if MOZA would expand to console in the future. I race across all 3.
Oh I didn't have an issue either but like most I just wanted a better wheel and hey seem reluctant to provide a wheel that is better for GT3. Didnt care about the BMW wheel that was overpriced. If I was going to spend that money I'd get a GSI. Fanatec is a great company but I feel like they are apple and no longer innovate. They are ahead and have such a lead they become the defacto wheelbase of choice. Just great to have competition.
I highly recommend using gloves to keep wheels clean and staying new!
I was against using them but I got a few wheels that kind of required them. Now I have about 5 pair and got a set of Morad. Love them.
Fanatec still sell more the anyone else but if the change the QR1 is over that is the main complain in everyone, i feel like in some way the QR1 give space to brands like Moza to exist at this point XD, maybe a wheel with screen like GSI for example that is something people want for a long time too but besides all this i dunno, I have a DD1 and tbh I'm thinking in getting a Simucube or Simagic just to change airs but even that my DD1 is solid.
Yeah. Fanatec had the ecosystem that makes it easy to play on both console and pc. They have the market share and recognition. However with PC sim racing growing, I would say that market share is shrinking quickly. So many new players coming and pricing stellar equipment.
Simucube is the gold standard and that is my goal in the next 6-8 months to be honest. The QR1 and 2 still have the key issue of being able to be removed. They need to just innovate and move forward. Just like ps4 to ps5. Some will be on the old gen but that's how you innovate. The pro 2 is my final choice. I hear the Simagic is good too. I just haven't ever tried to be honest. There are so many sweet wheels with screens is crazy and for fanatec not to have an entry level one is a massive failure on their part.
Today what you choose MOZA R9 or Fanatec CSL DD 8 nm ?
If I had to choose today, I would still pick the Moza. I think the QR2 is better than the QR1 but still not as good as the NRG style QR. I think the wheel selection is better on the Moza platform. Fanatec doesnt have an answer to the MOZA FSR. If I wanted for console, I would choose Fanatec for sure. Just my opinion.
Love my moza also... very well made product for sure
Yup, I have no major complaints, just little things they could do better. The dashboard could be better tho. They need to open it up to simhub. Then it would be prefect.
I can say I'm a Moza fan boy
Hahaha. I can say that are making great products and taking advice from their contributors which makes me a fan. I want to try the R21 before I make my decision to be a fan boy. However I am close lol
@@grayzedynamics oh i see that could work .. i am using a raspberry pi for simhub with the pimoroni hiperpixel display and works great.
That sounds great. I'd love to see how that looks. You should share that on the Moza group on Facebook.
Why no R9 bundle on sale I would buy that over the R5 any day but not seen one in the UK in stock if one even exists and Moza desk clamp is £65 if bought separate and IMO far too long for the most common 2-3mm desktop.
An R9 bundle would be nice. I am sure it is something that they are considering. Stock is an issue at times but that just means that they are in demand which is good, but sucks when your want it now. I'm glad I ordered when it was in its infancy. I have mine bolted to a rig. If I was in your shoes, I'd save a little extra and get a wheelstand of you have space. Then again, there is always black Friday sales. So who knows what may come. Either way, I think us Sim Racers need patience. Hahaha. I have none. Lol
I was very close to getting a csl until moza released r9 and that was a wrap really. Even simagic is better than the fanatec
I can attest I am happy with switching. Never tried Simagic but would love to see the difference. Fanatec is a great company, they are just not innovating and just trying to keep their lead. When Moza comes to console it'll be a fight.
I just got my moza r9 + moza gs and I am in the moon! It was the best decision I made and I do not regret getting it over the fanatec! That beeing said theres 3 issues so far when I play f1 22
1: The steering wheel in-game jerks/oscillates a LOT, non stop even tho irl I am not moving my wheel, doesnt seem to be bothering the gameplay but still annoying after a while
2: Theres no immersive button when we pit, this one will be very annoying especially for people that do league racing, for now have to use the keyboard for that
3: The rpm indicator does not work, it keeps flashing, blinking non stop
And even with this I am in love with the wheel and having so much fun playing with it! If anyone knows how to solve the issues above I would appreciate any help
The first 2 is a known issue. I've experienced it as well. The 3rd should work fine. As long as you calibrate or in the pithouse software. In the game launcher you should be able to click on config. Then you should see the issue resolved.
I love the F1 games on console with a controller, it's not optimized it seems for pc nearly as much. I own it but don't play at the moment.
The oscillations however can be dampened in the settings too. One day I'll see if I can remember how to do and let you know.
@@grayzedynamics the config fixed it, ty bro
Most welcome...
simhub dash is very delayed is there ways to make the data flow instant?
I am using a phone. If you connect an actual dash, it’s much smoother and far less lag. Seems instant on a dash that’s wired to your pc.
@@grayzedynamics im using a tablet ....is there way tto connect to it directly with usb tethering?
Not that I know of. When you connect Simhub, it only gives the option to connect via http
@@grayzedynamics how are you connected to it via phone ? with the http?
Yes. Upper right corner in the dash menu. It allows you to connect via phone.
Moza is manufactured at the same factory as Fanatec.
I’m sure majority of these DD wheelbases are made in the same factory. Lol
Did you play ps5
I do have one. But I can't race in it.
I can't decide between Moza R9 or Logitech Pro
Have you already invested in the Logitech ecosystem? Or are you starting from scratch?
@@grayzedynamics from scratch but everybody's always going on about the Logitech Pro feedback but moza r9 600 bucks cheaper Canadian.
I really don’t see how the Logitech at $1000 for the base can compete with Fanatec, moza, or Simagic
Yeah that is quite pricey to say the least. Did you pick your base yet?
Yeah there comes a point when the math ain't mathin. Lol
While I love the design of the Moza QR, I have had no problems with the Fanatec QR1s on any of my 5 wheels with my DD2. That said, I will def be buying 5x QR2s when they release and I'll be unhappy about having to spend the money. Still Fanatec need to innovate. I feel like they are lagging behind on wheel innovation. The Bentley GT3 wheel was announced well over a year ago and havent seen a thing of late. I can't bring myself to spend the money on the BMW wheel when companies like GSI and others have similar priced wheels with much more functionality. My biggest frustration with both of these ecosystems is the deliberate incompatablity with other products.
Yeah I didn't have any issues with the QR1 on Fanatec either. It works as advertised and did its job. It was firm and had some wiggle but not much. However, once you use the NRG style, it instantly sticks out. Fanatec have created an issue and instead of moving forward and innovating, I think they are fine with being the Apple of the sim scene. Moza I see as Google and coming in strong and fast. As for wheels got are right, I couldn't see buying A Bentley or BMW wheel with other high end wheels. The compatibility issues I see with consoles, the wheels aren't wired, but Moza did change that with the new FSR, so it can be used with other wheelbases. My ultimate goal is a simucube but if the R21 is 95% as good. I'll stick with Moza and just get the GSI wheel that I want.
@@grayzedynamics Valid points! Wireless in 2022 should be standard IMO and use a system like the Moza. They really nailed some key aspects: QR, The Formula Style Wheel, and Price! Any company that offers good value for money deserves to do well, and I think they have hit the sweet spot. Hopefully the competition will prod Fanatec back in to being innovative. Great content brother!
Thanks Patric. Yeah Fanatec has to get on their game. Can't be sitting on your advantage and not doing a thing. Moza and others are coming. Moza is coming fast and they are challenging everything they do. I'm excited to see this space grow and it's growing at leaps and bounds. The fact it's take them this long to release wheels and the QR says they are too content.
If you have had no problems with Fanatec's QR1s, why spend the money on the QR2s?
Valid point. Although it may make wheels more compatible in the future. I have no clue.
cant wear gloves, hot climate:(
Yeah. It’s the only thing that I don’t like about the GS wheel. It really needs Polyurethane grips.
Moza r5-r12 reduce the FFB already after 20min due to their heat problems. I bought Moza and regret it.
Oh no. I didn’t have a heat problem at all. Sorry to hear that. I ran my R9 at 100% all the time and had no issues other than clipping. Which is why I upgraded to the VRS DFP. Sorry mate that’s a true bummer.
@@grayzedynamics I'm surprised. I now have the 2nd R9 exactly the same problem. A friend has the r12 and exactly the same.
Who knows, maybe moza was better in the "old" days.^^
in any case, I would not buy them again.
Yeah I cannot tell. Maybe they did some update. I will say when I got my replacement R9 it was the new one and I could not dial in with the same settings. Sorry for the issue. Yeah it’s about time to change. I hear Simagic is cool. I have VRS and love it. Price per NM is great.