Professor Des Gorman on Scrapping the Māori Health Authority
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- Sean Plunket talks to Professor Des Gorman about scrapping the Māori health authority.
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I'm 100% for freedom of choice. If people want an exclusive and discriminatory health system let them pay private medical insurance for it. Just don't steal my tax dollars for something I can't be part of.
The crowns tax dollars which pay the lease of maori land and maoris country.
@@rata4878 does Maori pay for any of the value added to the land? Let's be honest, Maori are way better off since "we" improved their lifestyle.
@@peterlattimore6013Who is "We" Peter?
What have you contributed to this country, that I haven't?
You need to pisss off back to Scotland boy lol you ain’t done shiit just like every other hooonky this our land you owe me billions boy
The crowns tax dollars are provided by the tax payers🙄@@rata4878
I am so happy with our new government.
well right wing racists do so we understand
I really like Tama Potaka…..
Lol
Scrap the treaty
can anyone tell me how Maori body's differ from other non Maori body's, the only reason Maori's live shorter lives is because of their lifestyle, drinking, partying, smoking, and eating crap all the time is not good for anyone, having racist hospitals won't change a thing for Maori, having a stable two parent family will !!
Agreed. One way and another governments have been throwing money at these problems for a long time. Can anyone explain why, in spite of these efforts, there never appears to be any improvement in health outcomes for Māori?
Well said, a few home truths are hard to handle for some people.
Yeah, they're not as prone to melanoma as some more delicate demographics are
This is not the forum to relate "stories re NZ Health/ YT 'eyeballs' will get upset & edit written data" - look at your comment/ unless you edited it. In simple terms - Maori have never been denied anything within NZ Health, in some cases have had ' more access to medical help where they can go and get a free assessment & assistance', their access to hospital treatment has not been denied, and that has been the case across the past years.
Yep, a seperate Māori health authority is an expensive pipe dream for a group of radical academics and activists. Won’t change the average Māori health outcomes.
Maori can establish their own system today using treaty payouts or whatever. They can choose to employ Maori surgeons, doctors, nurses if they like and choose to treat whoever they choose to treat. But don't ask for money from taxpayers at large for such an apartheid system.
My Mother is Maori born in the Far North 1937 (87 years old) into a very poor Family (pretty standard back then) she also has x2 Sisters still alive who are also over 80,My point is you can live a long life no matter what your race Personal onus for you and your loved ones is a major part of that.
Well said.
I agree
If maori want to go to their own pango doctors. Let them go at it. Who cares. If it works for them. But my taxes arent paying for privileged BS.
I’m pakeha wats a pango doctor.
Yeh so am I what is pango doctor
Pango is the Māori word for black. In a Māori context, black represents Te Kore, the realm of Potential Being. - Wikipedia.
@@brucegibbins3792 It gets a bit confusing to have never seen a black maori in my life time that's a doctor Actually to tell the truth I've never seen a black maori ever
Again, you brainless peeps need to realise its the crowns taxes! Not yours! You pay the king of England, and he pays the maoris for lease of maori land. Do your homework.
Yet another story well covered by The Platform.
If the Maori wish their own health system specifically for Maori, then they must fund it themselves
You can't expect taxpayers to fund exclusive services that only one group can exclusively, that's divisiveness
😂😂😂
I am maori and pay taxes now shut your mouth and these two pakeha are baldhead bitches.
We are all humans and should have access to the same services, not separated by the colour of our skin
Exactly, every cent spent on these different health authorities is money not spent of delivering actual healthcare
It just becomes a game of stealing from Peter to play Paul except with our health
Truly a real human being. Finally.
We are 1 New Zealand hope this is only the start let's start scrapping all the other BS departments they have now.
racist monkey u are @rainofstars1
It was Racist pure and simple, have the guts to say its name
A country whose population is smaller that most international cities has no business playing with multiple parallel govt funded health systems. Unnecessary duplication of bureacracy is an absolute black hole for taxpayer money. If you want more choice go private.
This is one country not bi racial just for one race. Maori have the same privileges as all other citizens and if they like to look after their health so be it. Instead of Maori money invested in Ireland let them spend it on their own race. WHAT DEFINES A MAORI these days
oh and yet you still need to do your homework
most of that funding went to the top and very little filtered down .... the only real angry maori are the bloated bureaucrats paying off million dollar mortgages
its public funded stealing then,..its business as usual.
I AGREE WHAT HAVE MAORI USED THERE SETTLEMENT PAYOUTS FOR IT DOSNT FILTER DOWN TO ASSIST THERE OWN PEOPLE ONLY THE ELITE
Love the wisdom of Prof Gorman
If this idea doesn't work, what is the alternative?
We do not have a health system in New Zealand but a sickness management. That is my own opinion
If Māori want their own health entity then I’m just fine with that. As long as it is funded by Māori only. I’ll happily pay my tax dollars to my people’s health entity only. Can’t have it both ways Māori. You want separatism then pay for it.
they expect everything for nothing welfare generation
Thank you Sir always appreciate when you’re on Dr Gorman
So they wanted centralised control of health, and were grieving the fact that the power goes back to the grassroots.. 🤔
I guess it's easier to skim off the top when everything is centralised.. 🤔
They want apartheid?
no they want the M O N E Y and A S S E T S..............while they pretend to do something good with it..
...if you are not special race you are funding it...and cant be a part of it......
the cost never stop and goes up and up...well into the billions.
I spent my working life not really having a need for Hospital services and now Im retired I have to spend months on waiting lists and that's if they can be bothered fixing my Hernias which they won't. I'm so pleased that they are scraping the Maori health authority and just going with one system for all. Its going to have a better outcome for all by not doubling up with bureaucrats. Finally have a government that's got a brain as it has been sadly missed for such a long time. This is MMP at its best.
I'm Maori i've never had first priority in medical help i just don't understand it i actually didn't know there was such a thing
@@user-yy4uz4fg6s thats because the maori activists that made this happen were just trying to line there own pockets and never gave a damn about anyone but themselfs.
Not my experience I was upset as they saw me too quickly and offered an operation in a private hospital. I turned it down. 😂😂😂😂.
All of a sudden...I'm feeling better 😌
It helps if you are anonymous 🧐
Don't worry ... it won't last.
@@niwaakuhata7957 ☝️😁💛
@@niwaakuhata7957 yer right, worry is extremely low frequency ✌️🙄💛
Maori health outcomes have improved since colonisation. In fact life expectancy has doubled
And do we get any thanks for that, I think not, I have had a gustfull of these moaning part Māori radical’s.
yes its all been a cry baby con job,...and its cost billions and billions.....they are laughing all the way to the bank.
@@olliemoose2020you’re a whiny snowflake. Particularly snowy.
@@olliemoose2020who is "We" Ollie ?
Truly curious... being part Māori n all.
All the non moaning Maori probably 😁 @@user-bw5nc
THEY ARE MAORI/EUFOPEAN, AND MORE EUROPEAN THAN MAORI, SO WHY ARE THEY BEING MADE OUT TO BE DIFFERENT, ITS TOTALLY CHOICES AND CONSEQUENCES FOR GODS SAKE.
Funny. How it’s always the Māori part of these people who have the worst outcomes, despite all sorts of special treatment. What influence does the European part of these intermarried people play in their decisions?
Any full blooded English living in New Zealand???
Because they can't get off their fat arses and work.
@@joshua29885 there sure are, and guess what...... they can stand on their own 2 feet and well awareof choices and consequences
@@annemackay-ib4gy in a system designed by them, they should be able to.
This was a lolly scramble using my tax money going into pockets!!! We knew it would be like this!!!
Why should there be a Maori health authority, have they different genes to the rest of us?
Everybody has different genes unless you're a clone or identical twin
Pretty good point: large bureaucracies tend to be unresponsive, inefficient, and out of touch. I fully agree more local solutions are better.
When i got sick i tried to register with te whatu ora and they told to go away. They couldn't take me because they we full. And I really need to see a doctor. I'm glad they are gone.
it was never about helping anyone,..its a cheap show they put on while they pocket billions and assets,...
its called stealing.
- labour set aside $380 million for Māori health dept.
- 1st year Operating costs come to $580 million.
🤦♂️
New Zealand Health is What THE WHOLE health MUST de. just another push for apartheid was discusting. the name MUST be changed NOW...
No other country in the world has a seperate health system for a different race if people in the same country.....why NZ? What the hell makes Maori think they are so bloody special?
academics cucks
I heard a Maori commenting that they'd take it to the Waitangi Tribunal on the basis that it denied Maori sovereignty over their health. Here is the news! We all have sovereignty over our health, it's the way we exercise it, (if we can be bothered) that's the most important aspect of enjoying good health.
well said
I can not believe that Māori were given special treatment in the health sector by the Labour government commissioning a separate authority payed for by all NZ tax payers, after all Māori have been handed 4.5 billion, yes with B dollar’s of tax payer’s money from 1990 to 2020 under the treaty of Waitangi settlement policy, surely they could of used some of that money for such a separate health system for them selves if they wanted it.
yes given billions and assets,...while they put on a cheap show and do nothing,...the kick backs must be massive.
exactly
4.5 billion? Is that all?
@@kingdavid3066 ...oy vey!
@@kingdavid3066 Well no that's not all they have had, they have had Millions more sense 2020 and they are still going, were does all this nonsense stop, NZ can not afford it anymore.
Maori could do what the rest of do.. look after yourself. They only have themselves to blame. How does, choosing to eating crap, smoking and drinking to much become the governments problem?
The rest of NZ looks after themselves?!?!? Where have you been?
Living in the real world.... without hand-outs.
Your right except all the crap food and living conditions are in the lower areas where pakeha numbers are low aye. Do you think Maori were doing this crap prior to pakeha
@@joshua29885 maorification results in corruption, mediocrity, and poor outcomes.
they was killing and eating each other lol @@joshua29885
It was is racism against all other people's. One people one health system for all
Cogovernance is currently being put into policy at AUT - by the creation of a new role ‘Pro Vice Chancellor Māori’ - in time this will be another story of a radical Māori attempt at taking over a public institution & subsequently rolled back.
Des makes common sense, the same ideology of turning Auckland into a super city from local boroughs, the example is there for everyone to see, Auckland as a super city is buggered, with health money been directed to specifically to where the most vulnerable is, is common sense, go Shane Reti.
A health system is only as good as the use you make of it. If you don't use it or don't turn up for free appointments don't blame others.
The victim mentality that the maori pati created is dangerous and creates more harm than good... our health system fails all Nzers
Blows Waititi's rhetoric out of the water.
Another example of when ideologues put grand plans into action the outcomes are always terrible.
Common sense at last
I agree with this dismantling of the Maori Health Authority. Get rid of the central command and put the money into local providers.
Will that happen we have to wait and see.
It was a great division among the people of kiwi land . End of
Was Maori health, standards of living and life expectations better before Europeans influence.
Ummm, let me think for a moment. No.
I don't think so I think the food on the islands wore dwindling very fast 🤔
One people no division that’s all we want.
Colonisation has successfully doubled Maori longevity. You're welcome.
they will never thank us
Thank you...
Outstanding.
Like your username.
You have to take responsibility for your own health, it’s that simple.
So does this mean is a white person I can now have a bowel screening kit. Because I wasn't allowed one before even with my history. Because I wasn't Maori
If Maori want a health system for themselves, then by all neans go for it, but they must pay for it themselves. The rest of the country shouldn't have to. They can use their land settlement money to pay for it.
end of racism and aparthied well done winston and seymour
Des Gorman is Emeritus Professor Faculty of Medical and Health Sciences, Medicine, New Zealand
Emeritus is an honorary title granted to someone who retires from a position of distinction, most commonly an academic faculty position, but is allowed to continue using the previous title, as in "professor emeritus"
The platform only place to get truth.how many people filled there pockets with tax payers money.
There are no racist views or comments in these threads...not a single iota....😅
Correct. Just different opinions.
@GaryPeters-nv8pj 3rd comment down in this thread section in reference to "pango" doctors...
Yeah, that's not a racist way to explain a doctor with pigment...not in a million years...😂😂😂
Whatever became of Dr Lance O'Sullivan from Northland, one-time NZer of the year?
Position replaced by Shaneel Lala
Same heart attack no matter where you are from hehe.
💉💔🤔
filipinos also have lower life expetcancy and work hard for this country
I'm actually for a Maori health authority if they want to create and maintain it. I'm for decentralizing the whole health system and let people chooce for themselves. But it's paid for by each individual either via tax credits/ vouchers or by lowing taxes and we chooce whatever health insurance we want.
Yes i believe that as well, i have health insurance for that exact thing so i don't get caught up in the crap public health system. Scraping this isn't changing a thing the whole health system is broken, maybe try and fix it first.
LOL and look how well thats working in the US?? so weird you can't see how broken that is
@@myke29 Weird part is how do you fix the current health system???? We only have 5 million people the USA has 300 million yet our health system can not keep up with demand.
@@myke29 Take the Singapore system where the Government contributes 1/4 and the people and employers contribute the rest through mandatory life insurance schemes. Best healthcare in the world and a similar population to NZ in they have 6 million people. Now tell me that user pay doesn't work???
Comparing ourselves to Singapore is dumb.. Singapore has an authoritarian dictatorship (more or less) is that what you want?? There would also be no utes under your singaporean model. Do you want that too? Our health system would work if it was properly funded. Very easy fix. Stop giving rich people tax cuts and fund critical infrastructure@@johnjones5995
Great article in the NZ Herald 1 March by Heath
Minister by Dr Shane Reti. Very insightful with coalition govt committed to improving health outcomes for Maori. Ask Winston says “less hui more doi(ng)
Get it right.....Te Whatu Ora isn't being disestablished. The Māori Health Authority is Te Aka Whai Ora.
I was looking for this comment. I would have expected a journalist to at least correctly name the respective health authorities. However, possibly for Mr Sean Plunket the names Te Whatu Ora and Te Aka Whai Ora appeared very similar.
An academic that is opposed to labour policy ideology and centralisation of services is refreshing
Nice Sean and Professor Gordon✓
Barking "Killed" lets look at context:
• is the issue here Maori or money?
• how many tamariki (killed) by own race human beings?
• how many Maori or human beings are going to be (killed) by Health Public Services? Public Health has code of ethics to uphold life? That means all human beings living in New Zealand.
All New Zealand Citizens Life Matters +
Except abortion. No right to life for the unborn in NZ thanks to that disgusting Ardern.
Des Gorman is a real GC, always a realist.
It is not a racist thing for Pete's sake.
We’d need a Pacific Island health authority as well if this was actually about better healthcare for a particular ethnicity.
Pinoy health authority they also have lower life expectancy
Pacs shouldn't be coming here while we can't go there and live
@@dubstepXpower true, so it frankly becomes a bit ridiculous or they’d have to admit it was never about health outcomes and it was more about favouring one particular ethnicity for completely unearned historical reasons
@@StGammon77 done it correctly it actually plays to NZ advantage
yep filipinos only live to 60 ish its their fatty diet @@dubstepXpower
"Showing" it was doing something. EXACTLY.
Making it look like you are fixing something without actually fixing it.
In reality adding unnecessary "paper shufflers" and costs to a system that is overwhelmed.
The solution requires self responsablity of Maori to take care of them self's on a daily basis.
Simple steps like less "crap" food, more exercise and better mental attitudes would eliminate health conditions.
Healthy people don't need "special health services", Healthy people don't die in their 50's, Healthy people don't require mobility aid's.
If cost of Healthy food is a barrier,
I would prefer to be subsidizing NZ farmers and growers,
Pay them top dollar for healthy quality products and subsidize Kiwi's to be able to buy it. Id rather that then subsidizing pharmaceutical companies and the healthcare industry that seem to have no interest in lessening the amount of people needing their "Help".
Electric Power Board! These were local entities. Close to hand to deal with issues. But now they are know more. Are things more efficient?
Had Maori nurses marae on site x 2. Majority Maori staff or pasifika and also pasifika centre at porirua hosp . Also linked to marae in city and have own specialist nurses eg diabetic and still no better outcomes No differences at all since Maori health authority and put lot of Maori staff in supervisory management positions
Can someone please explain why Maori want to be seperate from the rest of us? If their not living as long as the rest of us, change your habits. The rest of life situations is equal to whomever lives here. If you want to smoke and drink alcohol all your lives, then you will pay a price- Life itself. You have choices and lanes to walk down in life, choose the wrong one and your in the past tense.
The Govt campaigned on this issue,..so lets not forget all the policies Labour introduced when in Govt which were NEVER campaigned on. So, all you Academics and Doctors it's time to grow up.
why do we want to provide better health services to a group of people that are already the biggest drain on society. we should be talking health care based on economic worth/viability
The guest making point in a service industry. That control should as close as possible to the point of delivery. This of the new governments direction of education , motor vehicle speed limit settings , and Auckland's fuel tax. Who is deciding to these things?
Divided we waht?
What about Maori TV?
What does brown tick mean? That sounds racist to me.
its jest and accurate,.....
.look up satire....,..its truth with satire that goes right over most peoples heads....
because they are so devolved they get stuck on the simple things like color,...
and have been programmed to get up set..rather than see the basic truth for what it really is...
.....no one likes a parasite,..do you ?.
More racist than a separate preferential health system for once race, preferential treatment, making others with greater needs wait based on their skin? Get a grip
Your response smells of racism
Centralized authority is not assentially Keynesian. Keynesism simply recognizes governments role in stabilizing aggregate demand. How it does it is up to the government in question.
Reality is when the money get to maori the funding runs out cause people like this guy over charge so he can buy his rolex and porsche then talk tall poppy hypotheticaly
Well it works in Canada and other places for their indigenous people and thats not guessing thats a fact
Let me guess ,the Māori health authority are associated with the Hamas health authority
Hello another appearance out of the rabbit hole
I think fanta was invented down there.
Public good!
i don't know what help it did for me i'm Maori and what was that for as how did that help me i've never had first priority i've was waiting for months for any to see any specialist like all other kiwis.
It was government bs, introduced, just to create bs jobs, for bullshtartists... using the 'Māori race' as the reasoning for it.
Someone put some money aside to buy the host a collar and tie.
Te Whatu Ora is Health New Zealand.
Let Maori services be funded by Maori tax and lets see how much is in the tin to fund these divisive dreams.
All it ever was going to be was a huge gravy train that was never held accountable for any better health outcomes for maori...
What a joke 🙄
The same universal advice for us all Shower twice a day wash hands after a toilet visit and a graveyard trip and make sure your privates are regularly cleansed all day.....next please.
No need to shower twice a day once is more than enough, remember try and conserve water, especially if your living in Wellington.
It's not that hard is it? But for some reason, our special brown people can't look after themselves.
hard to fathom huh.@@jizzlipps
@@jizzlipps I do not understand how that doesn’t embarrass them.
@jasperhorace7147 yes like laying down in Manners St...no pride! 🤷♂️
How many Maori landlords are there and are they assisting there Bro .And do they only rent to the employed
One people one nation is the key to go why maori still can't get it? Maori need to build up their people to be educated, gd health, good parents, raise their profiles etc
They will never change
930 million
At the end of the day it must be based on EVIDENCE. likw other western countries,government interference in health is always negative. If anyone is serious about understanding this
phenomena.read anything by Thomas Sowell specifically his book on disparities in culture. Absolutely destroys the concept that one race is way behind another.
People just dont do their homework. Maori are making themselves look silly and weak. what about the maori who have done well in life??
Yet, they seem to want to associate with failure.
3 years of funding emergency hotel housing for 3000 maori families
Maori should look at their Education outcomes first before virtue signaling to wards low health outcomes as a barometer on equality and integration into the civilized modern western world we reside in this country.
I have yet to hear a cogent argument that either the Maori Health Authority made access to health services worse for non-Maori, or that scrapping the authority makes the delivery of health services to Maori better. Maori have poorer health outcomes virtually across the board, life expectancy, rates of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and maternal and infant mortality. If you are providing health care based upon need as is promoted by ACT then there is not a group in NZ with greater need. But as a pakeha society, we are quick to blame the victims, but we do not look at Maori access to health care, or trust in the health system, we just blame their lifestyle choices, diet, etc. To us, it's the how not the why.
I go back to the first point, how does scrapping the Maori health authority make access to health care for non-Maori better? Luxon's "we are doing what we said we would do" is not an answer, it's the weak copout response you give when you don't have an answer. Where is the plan to address the need for improvement in Maori health outcomes? This decision has the hallmarks of being politically driven, not medical outcomes driven.
I was more than willing to hear what the government planned for delivering a better health system both for Maori and non-Maori but so far, crickets. If they demonstrate that they have a plan that delivers better outcomes for everyone including Maori I will tip my hat to it but I'm not holding any great expectations.
Got no credibility
All it is, is that Maori are seen by health professionals first.
Actually I work in health and it means a lot more than that .Maori get full subsidies for some things that others don't get. Regardless of status. But you are right Maori also jump the queue. Referrals get priority because of race. If you are Maori you get most of your healthcare fully subsidised. And you get in quicker than anybody else that's been waiting for the same illness if not more serious. I do blame the government for this and I don't think a lot of Maori know this. The government has caused division with this. Which is sad.
@@itsjustweard2328I work in health, everything you said is false
@@DM-pr6ih excuses you no it's not I do infact work in health And everything I've said is true why don't you go and look up policies
@@DM-pr6ih other people can't get a bowel testing kit at 50. unless you are Maori. X-rays are fully subsidised for Maori. Scans are fully subsidised for Maori. Hearing aids are fully subsidised for Maori. The list goes on.ive been told buy management that Maori get first priority and if you're a doctor shame on you
and thats not right filipinos asians etc also have lower age expectsncy dont see them complaining they ntoo busy WORKING
😂😂😂😂 Two Pākehā men talking about what is best for Māori, from a Pākehā perspective 😂😂😂.
Maori will probably cost the county more going down the same health avenues as everybody than they would have with there own healthcare system. 😂😂😂😂 And this is what your platform pushes for 😂😂😂 haha