Wikipedia: "Greaves was born in Detroit, Michigan. He studied neuroscience with a speciality in false-memory syndrome and graduated from Harvard University. Greaves has spoken on the topics of Satanism, secularism, and The Satanic Temple at universities throughout the United States, and he has been a featured speaker at national conferences hosted by American Atheists, the American Humanist Association, and the Secular Student Alliance." My Comment: It's too bad he chose the word "Satan" from which to broadcast his support for the First Amendment. The word has such a bad meaning for his target audience.
Do you know why he turned it down? Because I've seen RS has this "progressive" façade on, when in reality they keep supporting the opposite in a weird way, in an almost "centric" embarrassing way, so I'd love to know. Thank you in advance.
One aspect that the two of you don't seem to quite get wrt Lil Nas X is how young he is. He's just turned 22, and came out as gay (to family, and publicly) less than two years ago. Yeah, he's a PR genius. But this is still a very personal song/video, not just a stunt. The video is a funny, sexy, and heartfelt FU to (internalized) religious homophobia
@@margaretjohnson6259 It was a brilliantly original compilation of Christian and Helenic mythological images, not a hodgepodge thrown together but each image being both Christian (Devilish) and Helenic (Greek Pagan) simultaneously and beautifully. It is fascinating and gorgeous. A glorious declaration.
@@Christpuncher138 Thanks, but I'm kinda in the Groucho Marx school of thought about that "I would not willingly join any club that would have me for a member". ; )
It’s not really fell for it though, the individual outraged evangelicals yes, but most news outlets were probably thrilled at all the clicks this was going to get them.
Remember when Madonna released the "Like a Prayer" video? Madonna recieved condemnation from Pope John Paul II himself. The single ended up selling millions.
The most entertaining thing about this whole situation to me is that the conservative Evangelical pearl-clutchers have been the driver of so much free publicity for Lil Nas X, they've helped him immensely while trying (in their whiny, futile ways) to destroy his career. Also, jsyk, the blood was donated by artists in the collective he collabed with for the design idea. Love & Light from Mississippi. Y'all stay safe. ✌🏼💚
True. I’m 57, and have no kids, so I’ve never heard of Lil Nas X. But now I know who he is! I like the video. And I will probably watch future videos of him.
Technically mschf didn't make them either... the illusion was also towards the sweat shop Labor, blood sweat and tears, Nike made them mschf just pointing out the hypocrisy by customisation.
Religious people : You're going to hell Lil nas : Ok no problem Religion people : You should be scary Lil nas : No Religion people : We are angry you are not scary of hell
"I'd tuck my long hair under a hat and go to my own protests, keeping me accent to myself. I was just another beer-bellied white man with a stupid fuckin' sign!"~Ozzy Osbourne regarding going to protests outside of venues he'd later be performing at. Back in the 80s and 90s, there weren't cameras in everybody's hand. There wasn't enough recognition and celebrity saturation, so just tucking long hair under a hat made a famous metal head a "regular guy".
The online outrage is literally hilarious and I'm here for it. If only Christians and homophobics had that same energy towards universal healthcare and other topics that actually matter.
As an Atheist of a certain age (certain age means 50, give or take) I am always impressed with the logic and steadfast logical personally of Lucien. Good job young man!!
The drop of blood, came from individual members of the Arts Collective 'MSCHF' who worked in collaboration with Lil Nas X in the design and release of these trainers - and Nike got a court order for TM infringement with said 'MSCHF' Arts Collective to stop the reselling of these trainers on 3rd party sites like Ebay etc.. Thank you Lucien for your thoughtful words to raise awareness of how easy it is to trigger 'mob mentality' and the persecution of individuals falsely accused; as such our modern day version of the 'Salem Witch Trials' regarding the 'Satanic Panic' of the 80s. As well as highlighting the possible persecution of those with non-religious belief systems which can be easily misrepresented. And thank you Seth, as always for having these open conversations to engage and be radically honest in these troubled times. Peace up!
I literally wished for this ever since your last interview with Lucien, thank you Seth. PS I did not insinuate that you and Matt are my dogs I meant to say on my last post that I love my two dogs therefore I wish I could give more money than the five dollars I gave for your fundraiser yesterday.
The reason I know God is exists is the same reason you know He exists. I am expressing it, you are suppressing it. He has already revealed enough of Himself to either draw you to Him and save you, or condemn you if you reject knowing Him. Romans 1 says, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” “For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.” “Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.” “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” “Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” Psalm 19 says, "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. Ecclesiastes 3 says, "I have put eternity in their hearts...." God is Holy, Righteous, and Just, He will not overlook sin. (Isaiah 6, Revelation 5, Nahum 1, Revelation 20-22) Mankind is sinful, selfish, and depraved. (Romans 3, Romans 7, Psalm 51, Jeremiah 17:9, Genesis 3, Genesis 6, and more. Therefore, God must punish all sinners. (Romans 6:23, Ezekiel 18:20, Revelation 20-21, and more.) Fortunately for us, God is also Loving, Merciful, and Gracious. He has made a way, and only one way for guilty sinners to be declared not guilty, and at the same time satisfy His Divine Justice. God Himself took on a human nature, Jesus of Nazareth, fully God, fully man, and lived the perfect life we never could, voluntarily gave his life on a bloody cross that we deserve, then rose from the grave to prove His Divinity and victory over death. He then ascended to Heaven where He rules and from where He will one day return to "judge the living and the dead" (2 Timothy 4). That is the gospel Truth. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved. That is what the bible says.
@@56pjr as a gay man, I have had these scriptures hurled at me all of my life. There is no time here to go into their history, however, it would be sufficient to say that these words were human written and interpreted so as to say what the interpreters wanted to hear and in reality, do not mean shit. Stop the religious mental manipulation.
Fantastic interview with a very engaging and intelligent individual, and of course great interviewing by Seth, who lets people talk, paces things nicely, avoids combative and ineffectual questions, and of course is as charming as ever. Extremely watchable video - thanks Seth and of course Lucien.
Where there is lack of knowledge there is ignorance.. don't think who u are referring too could careless who faces u plaster on a pair of shoes 😄u on the other hand are the sort of person who seem to get kicks out of conflicts u shud plaster ur own face on them and I hope they sell for u 🙂 everyone has their own preferences religion teaches us to respect all however its human nature to add their own logic to instigate fear for control/power if people could learn to love one another the world would be a better place 😌
The reason I know God is exists is the same reason you know He exists. I am expressing it, you are suppressing it. He has already revealed enough of Himself to either draw you to Him and save you, or condemn you if you reject knowing Him. Romans 1 says, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” “For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.” “Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.” “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” “Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” Psalm 19 says, "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. Ecclesiastes 3 says, "I have put eternity in their hearts...." God is Holy, Righteous, and Just, He will not overlook sin. (Isaiah 6, Revelation 5, Nahum 1, Revelation 20-22) Mankind is sinful, selfish, and depraved. (Romans 3, Romans 7, Psalm 51, Jeremiah 17:9, Genesis 3, Genesis 6, and more. Therefore, God must punish all sinners. (Romans 6:23, Ezekiel 18:20, Revelation 20-21, and more.) Fortunately for us, God is also Loving, Merciful, and Gracious. He has made a way, and only one way for guilty sinners to be declared not guilty, and at the same time satisfy His Divine Justice. God Himself took on a human nature, Jesus of Nazareth, fully God, fully man, and lived the perfect life we never could, voluntarily gave his life on a bloody cross that we deserve, then rose from the grave to prove His Divinity and victory over death. He then ascended to Heaven where He rules and from where He will one day return to "judge the living and the dead" (2 Timothy 4). That is the gospel Truth. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved. That is what the bible says.
Hey Seth I hope you see this but the last video you posted about Cancel Culture has a credit error. The clip you attributed to Owen Jones was actually a youtuber from the Channel Hbomberguy. He's an excellent TH-camr and deserves credit. Edit: I've never done this before but please upvote and hopefully Seth will see it and maybe make the correction. Love your work Seth!
I’m a little disappointed that Lucian doesn’t see how important and moving Lil Nas X’s video and music is. It’s much deeper than he’s apparently aware of. A very political and powerful response to being suppressed as a member of the GRSM community.
If they bought Nikes, remodeled them, and are selling them, Nike shouldn't have a leg to stand on. They're not violating trademark, they're reselling a product that they bought.
Legal Eagle did a video on these shoes, talking about the differences between copyright, trademark, ect. He talks about how the Jesus shoes (and Nike's lack of reaction to those) factors in, and what Nike and mischief's rights are.
@@RickReasonnz Make-up? You mean the hidden meaning of the band's name. The make-up that got a band called satanic was King Diamond (an upside down cross would to that XD) I don't remember any big outcry of makeup of KISS equates to Satanism. The main "contraversy" over KISS's make-up was when fans of KISS and Alice Cooper would argue who inspired/copied who in the Shock Rock genre. The huge thing over KISS was if the name meant "Knights In Satan's Service".
My auntie was in her mid 80's when those shoes came out and she bought a pair just because of the water. Funniest thing I ever saw was this elderly woman wearing Jordan's with a purple flowered nightgown 😂
Only time I heard of that song was when youtube comedians started making videos about it. Not everyone follows the kind of music that populates Billboard....
Love the TST they bring light to the hypocrisies that lie on the Religious far right.Its so refreshing to see the push back in this manner... Because folks don't ever learn until they have the opposite similar thing done or said to them....Keep up the great work my TST friend's...
Notice what Seth Andrews said, "There's nothing new under the sun". Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV(The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.). You quoted the Bible, and made me laugh Seth. I really appreciate that.
As Oscar Wilde said "The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about." I remember when a local theatre group was producing Equus back in the late 70s - the churches went nuts and told people to boycott it and the show was sold out. And the Pope told Catholics - don't see The Life of Brian, so my Catholic high-school friend and I immediately went to see it. We all like "forbidden fruit"
an interesting video discussion would be on the Netflix show "Castlevania". Not only it is an excellent show (and I'm picky as hell, lol), but it greatly criticizes The Church.
I watched Lucien's linked video. It was good, but hard to understand what was being said (fortunately, they intelligently included the lyrics in the description). Production quality is top notch.
thank you. this is why we need separation of church and state. we cannot simply go full Gilead (Handmaid's Tale) if people and groups like Lucien and TST continue to question these ridiculous leaders in our country trying to force everyone into Christianity with lies and harassment.
I was listening to the podcast version when an ad started for teachers at my old high school. That was a huge surprise given how conservative this area is, I'm super curious how the school ended up advertising on an Atheist podcast!
I live in Arkansas. They need to take the "monument" DOWN. He can take it to his churchhouse front yard or to the landfill but NOT COOL in relationship to gov't.
As an atheist I find myself agreeing more with lucien s camp than any other religon. Weird once you brake the bonds of your raising to find what they feared is not worth fearing and worthy of respect.
I would have some compassion for the Christians on this issue except for the fact that they had no problem with 'Jesus Shoes' being sold in the same manner. Thus, I have zero compassion. In a free democracy Satan's shoes must exist with Jesus' shoes.
I think it is really cool that you get pretty regular opportunities to interview Lucien Greaves. The conversations you two have are always interesting, educational, and even edifying. There is so much nuance to current events, and you two unpack all of it while drawing attention to the aspects that matter most. I also appreciate that you, Seth, are willing to openly discuss topics with Lucien despite the religious differences when so many other atheists try to create a deep chasm between the Satanic Temple and the atheist community. It's so obvious that the Satanic Temple is an important part of the broader atheist movement, so I greatly appreciate your willingness to invite Lucien onto your show and have these important, consequential discussions. First time comment (I think), but I have been subscribing since you first got started. Thanks for all you do! Cheers!
The 15:00 mark discussion is frighteningly accurate to what MTG, DeSantis and others are doing with this Don't Say Gay bill in Florida. Right on Point. Take a look at twitter and you'll see #groomer all over the place simply for standing against such a discriminatory move.
I love the video and I wish there was more of these from huge artists. I'm proud to be a card carrying TST member. And no its not a great deep statement but it is everything my extremist abusive family hates and I love it
Hey, you got a few details wrong. It wasn't just lil nas x that sold the shoes. It was a collaboration with MSCHF, a company that makes these kinds of modified shoes. As far as I know the legal recourse is directed at them, not lil nas x. Relevant to this discussion is also the fact that they once sold jesus shoes which instead of sporting a pentagram and a drop of human blood, they had a cross and water from the river jordan. Also MSCHF seemed like they were prepared for the injunction, as all shoes were sold and shipped when it took effect (apart from the one in the giveaway)
Seth, I'm your age and not even in the US and a frigging nerd and *I* have heard of Lil Nas X. Come on, it's the guy who made Old Town Road! That was in the charts for weeks and weeks.
Lucien made a good point, believing something is a different matter from believing that someone else believes/does something. Even after I became an atheist, I still thought all satanists were horrible devil-worshipping idiots until I learned otherwise.
Orthodox Christian here: I for my part just nothing’d the whole thing. Until someone showed me the video at which point I was like “ohh sooo edgy. Not 🙄” 90s style
Mormons will love those shoes. Those esoteric hermetic symbols are all over their temples and books. Manly P Hall and many masons warned many have destroyed their lives playing with magic. Much love to all you.
How are metalheads pissed off at that video, especially those listening to Slayer? When I've seen Slayer live it had spinning pentagrams and upsidedown crosses on stage. Biggest WTF right there.
I’ve just started following Lucien recently and can really respect his views on autonomy and separation of church and state. Forgive my ignorance, I’m new to learning the views of The Temple, but wouldn’t freedom from religion also be freedom from any resemblance of any religion including its deities. I mean no disrespect, autonomy is extremely valuable and if someone wants to practice their beliefs privately I will not encroach on that. But as an atheist I’m not sure why we would need another religion to combat another when we already have science? I’m new to this page so forgive my ignorance. I originally started following because I saw the word “thinking” and “atheist” together assuming this was science focused. Trust me, I hate the ideology of a “god” just as much as the next atheist. I’m just asking out of curiosity because I want to understand those who’s views are different than mine. How does one balance their views of a deity knowing science has pretty much disproven any notion of such. It hasn’t been completely ruled out, yes I’ll give you that. Albeit, the lack of evidence, as well as the evidence to the contrary are astronomical and the odds are not in religions favor. Just want to better understand so I can know how not to disrespect anyone with my ardent atheist comments and posts LOL
My understanding is that the Church of Satan (COS) is a pragmatic institution engaged in a kind of cultural guerilla warfare. It seems we agree that religion in general, and Christianity in particular is a plague on humanity. But from a practical standpoint, the "problem" with Christianity is not that its ideas are so bad (which the are) - its that they are so well funded and well organized; the problem is that they are incredibly effective at pushing their agenda. As such, I think the answer to your question might be found toward the end of the video here (31:00 on) where Lucien is talking about how his organization is using existing legal norms of "freedom of religion" to undermine those exact norms. And this legal and cultural fight is one that only a "religious" institution like the COS can engage in... Because we certainly don't want to imply that "science" is, in any way, comparable to religion. As a practical matter, from the perspective of fighting a "culture war," we don't want to frame the issue as one of "atheism vs. theism" or "Science vs. Faith" or "rational vs. irrational", because that can be used to imply that the two sides are somehow "equal," when they are not. When COS has their legal battles, they frame it as "religion vs. religion", which keeps us, the "good guys" out of the battle, watching from the sidelines as religion destroys itself. The COS is taking one for the team.
My only question that remains is “what defines a religion”? Would it not be the belief in a deity and/or the practice of a ritual? The new album Lucien’s band put out is based on Anton Lavey’s Black Mass ritual. Therefor making Anton Lavey theist satanist, or atleast religious. I cannot confirm whether or not Lucien holds the same beliefs as Anton but he has mentioned the practice of ritual. So that leaves me wondering “isn’t this religion all over again”? If it was merely to combat religious supremacy, wasn’t that what Pastafarianism was all about? The creating of a ridiculous god in order to expose religion for what it is? Of course again I guess a Spaghetti-god isn’t nearly as threatening to the Christian as Baphomet would be. So that leaves the question. What’s the goal here? What’s the mission? To demand religious pluralism and equality? Or to entice the Christians into exposing themselves as dangerous radicalism? Both sound like entertaining ideas. However, one of them would possibly only cause more division and war while the other might possibly calm the onset of a civil war.
I hope Little Nas X goes far. He's a talented young man, and his embracing his sexuality in this way just does the heart good, AND gives you a laugh: *Evangelicals:* "You should be ashamed of yourself for being gay, you're going to hell you're going to hell! 😡" *Little Nas X:* "You know what? FINE! You keep saying I'm going to hell, watch me poledance there! 🤬" *Evangelicals:* "😳😭 Wait, no, you're supposed to be afraid and do what we say!" *Little Nas X:* _twerking and lap dancing on the devil_ 😂😂😂 ((I really think the outrage is about a feeling of losing a measure of control and influence over our culture. They don't like that LNX came to a place in his life where he is no longer afraid of their hell, and can embrace himself fully, sexuality and all, because of it. And that, in sharing his journey through his video, that, instead of it being instantly censored as used to happen in the old days, it resonated with and cheered so many people.))
Don’t worry Seth I’m 28 abs I’ve never heard of lil nas x either. There’s just too many different singers out there now. No way to keep up with them all.
You guys missed the important cultural significance to black folks - a black, gay, anti-religious rapper is wonderful. He's just a kid, 22 or something and he was fearless. Lucien especially, barely covered up his disdain. "I've got nothing to say about it" "It's not my thing". Pouty and ungenerous.
I was thinking the same things, and you expressed my sentiments perfectly. I also thought it was rude of him to talk to Seth about his feelings of irritation in regards to being asked to comment or do interviews concerning the topic when there are "more important" issues. Isn't Lil Nas X's video why Seth asked him to be on his show? Most people seem to be kissing this guy's butt in the comments, but I have a totally different perspective of him.
Red Devil tools, caulks, painting products etc. anyone? anyone? Underwood Deviled ham? Oh and Satan Shoes! Lmao!!! Some of us remember when the Blues and then, "Rock and or Roll" (as per Reverend Lovejoy) was considered the Devil's music! Oh, but wait isn't there christian rock now? Oooops! Check out the doc. How the Devil Got His Horns.
You can please some of the people some of the time but you can’t please evangelicals any of the time. They live to be outraged and go into withdrawals without it.
@@fleabitz1474 There's a percentage lost and it's obviously "lazy", but he mentioned being able to drive. Though if you're President of a Satanic Temple, having a driver and a big Mephistophelian limo is a good look.
God is all powerful but God cannot control Satan. Therefore God is not all powerful. But through the power of prayer and faith you can overcome all the contradictions in your dogma. Praise Jesus.
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So Lucien turned down an interview with Rolling Stone but agreed to talk to Seth about it!
I'm so proud 🤗
Wikipedia:
"Greaves was born in Detroit, Michigan. He studied neuroscience with a speciality in false-memory syndrome and graduated from Harvard University.
Greaves has spoken on the topics of Satanism, secularism, and The Satanic Temple at universities throughout the United States, and he has been a featured speaker at national conferences hosted by American Atheists, the American Humanist Association, and the Secular Student Alliance."
My Comment:
It's too bad he chose the word "Satan" from which to broadcast his support for the First Amendment. The word has such a bad meaning for his target audience.
Do you know why he turned it down? Because I've seen RS has this "progressive" façade on, when in reality they keep supporting the opposite in a weird way, in an almost "centric" embarrassing way, so I'd love to know. Thank you in advance.
@@JamesRichardWiley you've missed the point. he has plenty of interviews explaining why the Satan symbolism.
@@JamesRichardWiley It is the perfect word for every part of his target audience, especially the witch-hunting superstitious fundamentalists.
The blood drop was voluntary. But the sweat from slave child labor was not. Amazing what the morally righteous will ignore.
They don't care about children after they are born. It's fucking insane.
Well, these groups only care about foreign children inasmuch as they're able to indoctrinate them through their missionary activities.
We can use AI to avoid using slavery in time. And that's being serious. AI's coming, and the rich owners will use it to make us even more poor.
One aspect that the two of you don't seem to quite get wrt Lil Nas X is how young he is. He's just turned 22, and came out as gay (to family, and publicly) less than two years ago. Yeah, he's a PR genius. But this is still a very personal song/video, not just a stunt. The video is a funny, sexy, and heartfelt FU to (internalized) religious homophobia
Amen
Absolutely
I got that aspect too.
It's a multilayered thing. I'm really impressed with the man.
i enjoyed the video. it wasn't very original, but well done.
@@margaretjohnson6259 It was a brilliantly original compilation of Christian and Helenic mythological images, not a hodgepodge thrown together but each image being both Christian (Devilish) and Helenic (Greek Pagan) simultaneously and beautifully. It is fascinating and gorgeous. A glorious declaration.
Lucien is a smart guy. Even if you're not fully in his camp, he's worth listening to.
Very interesting guy.
Come over to our camp, we have cookies and blasphemy
@@Christpuncher138 Hmmm cookies...
@@Christpuncher138 Thanks, but I'm kinda in the Groucho Marx school of thought about that "I would not willingly join any club that would have me for a member". ; )
@@taylorlibby7642 that is one of the best quotes ever!
😂🤣😂Still laughing about this. The greatest marketing gimmick in years and basically the entire media fell for it.
Madonna is kicking herself right now that she didn't think of this one!
@@seanjones2456 Yep!!😂🤣
It’s not really fell for it though, the individual outraged evangelicals yes, but most news outlets were probably thrilled at all the clicks this was going to get them.
@@the_kraken6549 Gotta say it fits my definition if he managed to use the media more than they managed to use him. ; )
EXACTLY! And still falling for it! 🤣
Remember when Madonna released the "Like a Prayer" video? Madonna recieved condemnation from Pope John Paul II himself. The single ended up selling millions.
Damn catchy song too.
Hahaha, yup, that was my youth.
Catholic Church also "banned" Billy Joel's "Only the Good Die Young" and sent it soaring through the charts
I remember The life of Brian went viral after church/establishment condemnation. You might think the religious would have learned that lesson by now.
@@dustytheloneranger it's so ironic because if everything is god's plan like the bible claims, he keeps charting this "anti-god" songs lmaooo
The most entertaining thing about this whole situation to me is that the conservative Evangelical pearl-clutchers have been the driver of so much free publicity for Lil Nas X, they've helped him immensely while trying (in their whiny, futile ways) to destroy his career. Also, jsyk, the blood was donated by artists in the collective he collabed with for the design idea. Love & Light from Mississippi. Y'all stay safe. ✌🏼💚
True. I’m 57, and have no kids, so I’ve never heard of Lil Nas X. But now I know who he is! I like the video. And I will probably watch future videos of him.
I think it's funny as hell that they fell for his stunt when he was obviously trolling 😂
True. Never even heard of the guy till this blew up.
Jesus loves you
Lil Nas X did NOT make the shoes, mschf made them... the same customiser of the Nike Jesus shoes as well... didn't hear diddle squat over those eh...
Technically mschf didn't make them either... the illusion was also towards the sweat shop Labor, blood sweat and tears, Nike made them mschf just pointing out the hypocrisy by customisation.
hm who knew. never heard of jesus nikes either
Right!!!! Wish I’d had the money I’d bought a pair.
LMAO @ Jesus shoes.
@@whatjohnny521 yes I would like to have a pair myself... if it wasn't Nike
Religious people : You're going to hell
Lil nas : Ok no problem
Religion people : You should be scary
Lil nas : No
Religion people : We are angry you are not scary of hell
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Please don't delete this video.. Great information
When will conservatives and religious fanatics realize that controversy sells, controversy means money.
Many do I'm sure. The controversy gets attention and makes money for both sides.
"I'd tuck my long hair under a hat and go to my own protests, keeping me accent to myself. I was just another beer-bellied white man with a stupid fuckin' sign!"~Ozzy Osbourne regarding going to protests outside of venues he'd later be performing at. Back in the 80s and 90s, there weren't cameras in everybody's hand. There wasn't enough recognition and celebrity saturation, so just tucking long hair under a hat made a famous metal head a "regular guy".
The online outrage is literally hilarious and I'm here for it. If only Christians and homophobics had that same energy towards universal healthcare and other topics that actually matter.
As an Atheist of a certain age (certain age means 50, give or take) I am always impressed with the logic and steadfast logical personally of Lucien. Good job young man!!
It's like he made the video literally to just piss off Christians and that's hilarious
He did kind of. Because of how they treated him, shamed him, over his sexuality his whole life.
More power to him.
He was trollin'! 🤣
Good! They deserve it. It's not like it's that hard to piss off people who are always looking to be persecuted.
They deserve what?
To quote Ricky Gervais 'just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right'
The drop of blood, came from individual members of the Arts Collective 'MSCHF' who worked in collaboration with Lil Nas X in the design and release of these trainers - and Nike got a court order for TM infringement with said 'MSCHF' Arts Collective to stop the reselling of these trainers on 3rd party sites like Ebay etc..
Thank you Lucien for your thoughtful words to raise awareness of how easy it is to trigger 'mob mentality' and the persecution of individuals falsely accused; as such our modern day version of the 'Salem Witch Trials' regarding the 'Satanic Panic' of the 80s. As well as highlighting the possible persecution of those with non-religious belief systems which can be easily misrepresented. And thank you Seth, as always for having these open conversations to engage and be radically honest in these troubled times. Peace up!
Gives new meaning to Running With The Devil.
Good one
People do evil and place the blame on an imaginary being.👹
Satan is man made and responsible for all the evil in the world.
Almighty God and his army of angels and saints cannot stop him.
What a plot!
Ive been waiting for you to discuss this
I literally wished for this ever since your last interview with Lucien, thank you Seth. PS I did not insinuate that you and Matt are my dogs I meant to say on my last post that I love my two dogs therefore I wish I could give more money than the five dollars I gave for your fundraiser yesterday.
I am starting my day finding out that christian conservatives are all upset about something? It's gonna be a beautiful day!
The reason I know God is exists is the same reason you know He exists. I am expressing it, you are suppressing it. He has already revealed enough of Himself to either draw you to Him and save you, or condemn you if you reject knowing Him.
Romans 1 says, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”
“For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.”
“Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.”
“Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”
“Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”
Psalm 19 says, "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
Ecclesiastes 3 says, "I have put eternity in their hearts...."
God is Holy, Righteous, and Just, He will not overlook sin. (Isaiah 6, Revelation 5, Nahum 1, Revelation 20-22)
Mankind is sinful, selfish, and depraved. (Romans 3, Romans 7, Psalm 51, Jeremiah 17:9, Genesis 3, Genesis 6, and more.
Therefore, God must punish all sinners. (Romans 6:23, Ezekiel 18:20, Revelation 20-21, and more.)
Fortunately for us, God is also Loving, Merciful, and Gracious. He has made a way, and only one way for guilty sinners to be declared not guilty, and at the same time satisfy His Divine Justice. God Himself took on a human nature, Jesus of Nazareth, fully God, fully man, and lived the perfect life we never could, voluntarily gave his life on a bloody cross that we deserve, then rose from the grave to prove His Divinity and victory over death. He then ascended to Heaven where He rules and from where He will one day return to "judge the living and the dead" (2 Timothy 4). That is the gospel Truth.
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved. That is what the bible says.
@@56pjr no one read that ✌🏻
Are you saved or lost?
@@56pjr neither.
@@56pjr as a gay man, I have had these scriptures hurled at me all of my life. There is no time here to go into their history, however, it would be sufficient to say that these words were human written and interpreted so as to say what the interpreters wanted to hear and in reality, do not mean shit.
Stop the religious mental manipulation.
Fantastic interview with a very engaging and intelligent individual, and of course great interviewing by Seth, who lets people talk, paces things nicely, avoids combative and ineffectual questions, and of course is as charming as ever.
Extremely watchable video - thanks Seth and of course Lucien.
Lucien Greaves is without a doubt the coolest and most attractive man on the planet.
Yup
Ew
I'm going to create "mohammeds face" shoes. What could possibly go wrong.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Christians wish they still could do that type of stuff here.
Have it be a classic smiley face, with that name.
Where there is lack of knowledge there is ignorance.. don't think who u are referring too could careless who faces u plaster on a pair of shoes 😄u on the other hand are the sort of person who seem to get kicks out of conflicts u shud plaster ur own face on them and I hope they sell for u 🙂 everyone has their own preferences religion teaches us to respect all however its human nature to add their own logic to instigate fear for control/power if people could learn to love one another the world would be a better place 😌
I want those Satan shoes dammit! Y'all notice how the 2020 Satan commercials aren't being talked about? 😂
no lie, those shoes are pretty fire.
Well apparently it was a limited edition of 666 and they sold out instantly, making Nike's injunction somewhat redundant.
@@roqsteady5290 Well then they need 666 more of the devil's property. My unholy feet demand it!
They want to keep controlling us with religion, and in the darkness, bind us. Sauron is their god, Jesus.
Love you guys! A nice bit of sanity, much needed now.
The reason I know God is exists is the same reason you know He exists. I am expressing it, you are suppressing it. He has already revealed enough of Himself to either draw you to Him and save you, or condemn you if you reject knowing Him.
Romans 1 says, "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”
“For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.”
“Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.”
“Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”
“Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”
Psalm 19 says, "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them.
Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
Ecclesiastes 3 says, "I have put eternity in their hearts...."
God is Holy, Righteous, and Just, He will not overlook sin. (Isaiah 6, Revelation 5, Nahum 1, Revelation 20-22)
Mankind is sinful, selfish, and depraved. (Romans 3, Romans 7, Psalm 51, Jeremiah 17:9, Genesis 3, Genesis 6, and more.
Therefore, God must punish all sinners. (Romans 6:23, Ezekiel 18:20, Revelation 20-21, and more.)
Fortunately for us, God is also Loving, Merciful, and Gracious. He has made a way, and only one way for guilty sinners to be declared not guilty, and at the same time satisfy His Divine Justice. God Himself took on a human nature, Jesus of Nazareth, fully God, fully man, and lived the perfect life we never could, voluntarily gave his life on a bloody cross that we deserve, then rose from the grave to prove His Divinity and victory over death. He then ascended to Heaven where He rules and from where He will one day return to "judge the living and the dead" (2 Timothy 4). That is the gospel Truth.
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved. That is what the bible says.
Lucien Greaves is terrific, always interesting and thoughtful
Lucien Greaves looks like a cross between Jon Voight and Christopher Walken, which is a very cool look.
Can't unsee it and I'm okay with that.
Hey Seth I hope you see this but the last video you posted about Cancel Culture has a credit error. The clip you attributed to Owen Jones was actually a youtuber from the Channel Hbomberguy. He's an excellent TH-camr and deserves credit.
Edit: I've never done this before but please upvote and hopefully Seth will see it and maybe make the correction.
Love your work Seth!
Comment for the algorithm :)
Ditto.
Commenting
Seth often says, he stops looking at comments about two hours after a vid s published for all the bs many poeple post. Maybe write him an email?
@@bladerunner3314 okay thank you!
This was the best example of how conservatives are the OGs of cancel culture
Who got cancelled?
If someone keeps seeing the devil on a piece of toast, they shouldn't call Lucien, they should call a psychotherapist!
I’m a little disappointed that Lucian doesn’t see how important and moving Lil Nas X’s video and music is. It’s much deeper than he’s apparently aware of. A very political and powerful response to being suppressed as a member of the GRSM community.
If they bought Nikes, remodeled them, and are selling them, Nike shouldn't have a leg to stand on. They're not violating trademark, they're reselling a product that they bought.
Legal Eagle did a video on these shoes, talking about the differences between copyright, trademark, ect. He talks about how the Jesus shoes (and Nike's lack of reaction to those) factors in, and what Nike and mischief's rights are.
@@gerrye114 Thanks for the heads-up
The satanic church should sell merch that says "It's the Devil, call Lucien"
Always love to see Lucien Greaves.
I really would be interested in what Seth and Lucien think about the band Ghost.
Like the music of ABBA and the makeup of Kiss?
@@RickReasonnz Haha.
@@RickReasonnz Make-up? You mean the hidden meaning of the band's name. The make-up that got a band called satanic was King Diamond (an upside down cross would to that XD)
I don't remember any big outcry of makeup of KISS equates to Satanism. The main "contraversy" over KISS's make-up was when fans of KISS and Alice Cooper would argue who inspired/copied who in the Shock Rock genre.
The huge thing over KISS was if the name meant "Knights In Satan's Service".
I wonder if any xians were upset when they released nikes with holy water from Jordan in the soles of those shoes?
Nike wasn’t upset either. No lawsuit in that case.
The biblical Jordan river is the Milky Way.
Cherry picking I guess🥴
My auntie was in her mid 80's when those shoes came out and she bought a pair just because of the water. Funniest thing I ever saw was this elderly woman wearing Jordan's with a purple flowered nightgown 😂
Heads up he didn't make the shoes (It's a seperate group he just purchased a pair)
I can't believe that you never heard of him. His song 'Old Town Road' broke Billboard's record at 19 weeks at #1 !
Yuo
I never heard of him either until the controversial shoes.
Only time I heard of that song was when youtube comedians started making videos about it. Not everyone follows the kind of music that populates Billboard....
Love the TST they bring light to the hypocrisies that lie on the Religious far right.Its so refreshing to see the push back in this manner... Because folks don't ever learn until they have the opposite similar thing done or said to them....Keep up the great work my TST friend's...
Notice what Seth Andrews said, "There's nothing new under the sun". Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV(The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.). You quoted the Bible, and made me laugh Seth. I really appreciate that.
As Oscar Wilde said "The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about." I remember when a local theatre group was producing Equus back in the late 70s - the churches went nuts and told people to boycott it and the show was sold out. And the Pope told Catholics - don't see The Life of Brian, so my Catholic high-school friend and I immediately went to see it. We all like "forbidden fruit"
"It would be Anti-Satanic of me to...." --- I am SO taking that and running with it. Ha!
an interesting video discussion would be on the Netflix show "Castlevania". Not only it is an excellent show (and I'm picky as hell, lol), but it greatly criticizes The Church.
Great show as always
All hail Lucien Greaves!
I never heard of him either. But i love the conversation it started and some of the bigotry that got hella exposed
I watched Lucien's linked video. It was good, but hard to understand what was being said (fortunately, they intelligently included the lyrics in the description). Production quality is top notch.
They made Jesus shoes too. We don't hear about those no boycott of those?
Cherry picking 🥴
If we don't fight back, we will see what's going on in Afghanistan with the Taliban happening in THIS country!
thank you. this is why we need separation of church and state. we cannot simply go full Gilead (Handmaid's Tale) if people and groups like Lucien and TST continue to question these ridiculous leaders in our country trying to force everyone into Christianity with lies and harassment.
I was listening to the podcast version when an ad started for teachers at my old high school. That was a huge surprise given how conservative this area is, I'm super curious how the school ended up advertising on an Atheist podcast!
I live in Arkansas. They need to take the "monument" DOWN. He can take it to his churchhouse front yard or to the landfill but NOT COOL in relationship to gov't.
As long as the government allows other religious monuments it must allow all or any.
Hi Susan, i saw your interview on Lloyd's channel recently. You were great, I'm glad you're out
Don’t feel too bad. I didn’t know who Lil Nas X was either. And I’m in my 20s.
As an atheist I find myself agreeing more with lucien s camp than any other religon. Weird once you brake the bonds of your raising to find what they feared is not worth fearing and worthy of respect.
I would have some compassion for the Christians on this issue except for the fact that they had no problem with 'Jesus Shoes' being sold in the same manner. Thus, I have zero compassion. In a free democracy Satan's shoes must exist with Jesus' shoes.
They only want a free market if the market is in their favor.
I think it is really cool that you get pretty regular opportunities to interview Lucien Greaves. The conversations you two have are always interesting, educational, and even edifying. There is so much nuance to current events, and you two unpack all of it while drawing attention to the aspects that matter most. I also appreciate that you, Seth, are willing to openly discuss topics with Lucien despite the religious differences when so many other atheists try to create a deep chasm between the Satanic Temple and the atheist community. It's so obvious that the Satanic Temple is an important part of the broader atheist movement, so I greatly appreciate your willingness to invite Lucien onto your show and have these important, consequential discussions.
First time comment (I think), but I have been subscribing since you first got started. Thanks for all you do! Cheers!
The 15:00 mark discussion is frighteningly accurate to what MTG, DeSantis and others are doing with this Don't Say Gay bill in Florida. Right on Point. Take a look at twitter and you'll see #groomer all over the place simply for standing against such a discriminatory move.
My goodness! Christians would have a stroke if they saw some of the medieval Christian artists! Take a look at Hieronymus Bosch!
My culture's bad boy was Alice Cooper. We had him on our 8-track player in our '67 Firebird and played that thing to death.
I love the video and I wish there was more of these from huge artists. I'm proud to be a card carrying TST member. And no its not a great deep statement but it is everything my extremist abusive family hates and I love it
I remember my cousin flipped out about this.
Hey, you got a few details wrong. It wasn't just lil nas x that sold the shoes. It was a collaboration with MSCHF, a company that makes these kinds of modified shoes. As far as I know the legal recourse is directed at them, not lil nas x. Relevant to this discussion is also the fact that they once sold jesus shoes which instead of sporting a pentagram and a drop of human blood, they had a cross and water from the river jordan. Also MSCHF seemed like they were prepared for the injunction, as all shoes were sold and shipped when it took effect (apart from the one in the giveaway)
Good grief. If there was half the outrage about things that actually mattered, the world would be in much better shape.
Seth, I'm your age and not even in the US and a frigging nerd and *I* have heard of Lil Nas X. Come on, it's the guy who made Old Town Road! That was in the charts for weeks and weeks.
I’d never heard of him or his shoes or the road he walked on either, until today. I’ll probably forget all about it before noon.
In the 70’s Mike Warnke sold a book called‘Satan Seller.’ Later his credentials came into question.
Lucien made a good point, believing something is a different matter from believing that someone else believes/does something. Even after I became an atheist, I still thought all satanists were horrible devil-worshipping idiots until I learned otherwise.
This makes me think of Steve Martin's "Cruel Shoes" bit
Lil Nas X?
Never heard of him. Not my taste in music but I love this guy 🤣🤣
Orthodox Christian here: I for my part just nothing’d the whole thing. Until someone showed me the video at which point I was like “ohh sooo edgy. Not 🙄” 90s style
It’s about groups people don’t know anything about and fear knowing anything about.
Mormons will love those shoes. Those esoteric hermetic symbols are all over their temples and books. Manly P Hall and many masons warned many have destroyed their lives playing with magic. Much love to all you.
He's so right.
How are metalheads pissed off at that video, especially those listening to Slayer? When I've seen Slayer live it had spinning pentagrams and upsidedown crosses on stage. Biggest WTF right there.
I’ve just started following Lucien recently and can really respect his views on autonomy and separation of church and state. Forgive my ignorance, I’m new to learning the views of The Temple, but wouldn’t freedom from religion also be freedom from any resemblance of any religion including its deities. I mean no disrespect, autonomy is extremely valuable and if someone wants to practice their beliefs privately I will not encroach on that. But as an atheist I’m not sure why we would need another religion to combat another when we already have science? I’m new to this page so forgive my ignorance. I originally started following because I saw the word “thinking” and “atheist” together assuming this was science focused.
Trust me, I hate the ideology of a “god” just as much as the next atheist. I’m just asking out of curiosity because I want to understand those who’s views are different than mine. How does one balance their views of a deity knowing science has pretty much disproven any notion of such. It hasn’t been completely ruled out, yes I’ll give you that. Albeit, the lack of evidence, as well as the evidence to the contrary are astronomical and the odds are not in religions favor.
Just want to better understand so I can know how not to disrespect anyone with my ardent atheist comments and posts LOL
My understanding is that the Church of Satan (COS) is a pragmatic institution engaged in a kind of cultural guerilla warfare. It seems we agree that religion in general, and Christianity in particular is a plague on humanity. But from a practical standpoint, the "problem" with Christianity is not that its ideas are so bad (which the are) - its that they are so well funded and well organized; the problem is that they are incredibly effective at pushing their agenda.
As such, I think the answer to your question might be found toward the end of the video here (31:00 on) where Lucien is talking about how his organization is using existing legal norms of "freedom of religion" to undermine those exact norms. And this legal and cultural fight is one that only a "religious" institution like the COS can engage in...
Because we certainly don't want to imply that "science" is, in any way, comparable to religion. As a practical matter, from the perspective of fighting a "culture war," we don't want to frame the issue as one of "atheism vs. theism" or "Science vs. Faith" or "rational vs. irrational", because that can be used to imply that the two sides are somehow "equal," when they are not. When COS has their legal battles, they frame it as "religion vs. religion", which keeps us, the "good guys" out of the battle, watching from the sidelines as religion destroys itself.
The COS is taking one for the team.
I don't think they worship or believe in a literal Satan.
@@ericb9804 beautifully said my friend
My only question that remains is “what defines a religion”? Would it not be the belief in a deity and/or the practice of a ritual? The new album Lucien’s band put out is based on Anton Lavey’s Black Mass ritual. Therefor making Anton Lavey theist satanist, or atleast religious. I cannot confirm whether or not Lucien holds the same beliefs as Anton but he has mentioned the practice of ritual. So that leaves me wondering “isn’t this religion all over again”?
If it was merely to combat religious supremacy, wasn’t that what Pastafarianism was all about? The creating of a ridiculous god in order to expose religion for what it is? Of course again I guess a Spaghetti-god isn’t nearly as threatening to the Christian as Baphomet would be.
So that leaves the question. What’s the goal here? What’s the mission? To demand religious pluralism and equality? Or to entice the Christians into exposing themselves as dangerous radicalism?
Both sound like entertaining ideas. However, one of them would possibly only cause more division and war while the other might possibly calm the onset of a civil war.
@@brotherjay9744 The Satanic Temple website answers your questions.
I hope Little Nas X goes far. He's a talented young man, and his embracing his sexuality in this way just does the heart good, AND gives you a laugh:
*Evangelicals:* "You should be ashamed of yourself for being gay, you're going to hell you're going to hell! 😡"
*Little Nas X:* "You know what? FINE! You keep saying I'm going to hell, watch me poledance there! 🤬"
*Evangelicals:* "😳😭 Wait, no, you're supposed to be afraid and do what we say!"
*Little Nas X:* _twerking and lap dancing on the devil_ 😂😂😂
((I really think the outrage is about a feeling of losing a measure of control and influence over our culture. They don't like that LNX came to a place in his life where he is no longer afraid of their hell, and can embrace himself fully, sexuality and all, because of it. And that, in sharing his journey through his video, that, instead of it being instantly censored as used to happen in the old days, it resonated with and cheered so many people.))
Don’t worry Seth I’m 28 abs I’ve never heard of lil nas x either. There’s just too many different singers out there now. No way to keep up with them all.
Have always considered Mr Graves as an erudite and eloquent man. This interview doesn't prove me wrong either. Thank you, Seth 👍
Cool shoes, personally I like Air Max BW but I would make an exception for those.
I've often wished Dio had a budget to make better videos like the Lil' Nas. Great music, but his videos are a bit cheesy.
I like my Slayer shoes. All the Satan, none of the drama
I haven't finished the video, but if Frank Peretti doesn't come up, I'm going to be disappointed.
Lucien greaves 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Why is this video interlaced?? Its messing with my eyes big time! LOL
People are built in time for people to TST cool people
👽👺 👽👽
❤Lucien❤
Apparently, these Christians keep forgetting that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
that Lil Nas X video is cool, good for him!
You guys missed the important cultural significance to black folks - a black, gay, anti-religious rapper is wonderful. He's just a kid, 22 or something and he was fearless. Lucien especially, barely covered up his disdain. "I've got nothing to say about it" "It's not my thing". Pouty and ungenerous.
I was thinking the same things, and you expressed my sentiments perfectly. I also thought it was rude of him to talk to Seth about his feelings of irritation in regards to being asked to comment or do interviews concerning the topic when there are "more important" issues. Isn't Lil Nas X's video why Seth asked him to be on his show? Most people seem to be kissing this guy's butt in the comments, but I have a totally different perspective of him.
Red Devil tools, caulks, painting products etc. anyone? anyone? Underwood Deviled ham? Oh and Satan Shoes! Lmao!!! Some of us remember when the Blues and then, "Rock and or Roll" (as per Reverend Lovejoy) was considered the Devil's music! Oh, but wait isn't there christian rock now? Oooops! Check out the doc. How the Devil Got His Horns.
This whole thing is supremely entertaining 🤣😆😈😈😉😉
and so are his shoes, I'd wear a pair!
Humans are so susceptible to "squirrel"!
You can please some of the people some of the time but you can’t please evangelicals any of the time. They live to be outraged and go into withdrawals without it.
I'm 34 and I had no clue either 🤔😆😆
Nice conversation
I like Lucien, but I really fear for his life. I hope the crazies never get him.
Completely off-topic, but is something wrong with Lucien's eye? His right eye looks very different than left :o Not sure if it is just the lighting.
His eye was damaged somehow in the past. He does not discuss it.
@@fleabitz1474 He seems to have said he can see from it, but the pigment was damaged.
@@troyevitt2437 Oh, ok..I'm glad he can see from it. I can't imagine how it was damaged, but I doubt we'll ever find out.
@@fleabitz1474 There's a percentage lost and it's obviously "lazy", but he mentioned being able to drive. Though if you're President of a Satanic Temple, having a driver and a big Mephistophelian limo is a good look.
God is all powerful
but God cannot control Satan.
Therefore God is not all powerful.
But through the power of prayer and faith you can overcome all the contradictions in your dogma.
Praise Jesus.
Can God make a rock so heavy that even He can't lift it?
He only had a finite line of these. Limited Edition!!!!
Could anyone explain whats wrong with luciens one eye?
Heterochomia iridum?
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It was damaged somehow in the past. He does not discuss it.
Athame accident during mock ritual
@@angiesizzlepants Ouch!