Big in the far east china, Taiwan. 12 pound balls with conventional grips. This guy won a worl championship using it. th-cam.com/video/Ymkmi8cMT08/w-d-xo.html
I'm three months into bowling and some days everything goes well and I hit a new personal high score (228 two weeks ago) or close to it (217 earlier this week), while on other days, I get more splits and I miss more single pin spares than I care to remember. Watching some of the others bowling in the adjacent lanes, I wondered if I should change my release... if my axis tilt is too low. Then I had that Eureka moment watching this video... when you said the semi-roller is (some would argue) the most desired roll. I'm a semi-roller. I'll just keep practising, working on being more consistent with my footwork, swing and release. Thank you for your videos.
Humor is a very effective teaching tool it makes things memorable, gives us a mental picture to see things better. Also holds the lesson from last years annual meeting to keep bowling fun!
I use to be a full roller years ago but barely. It was in between my thumb and fingers but just barely. In fact if I did not release clean I took a chance on rolling over the thumb and did ever so often. Then I stopped bowling for 15 years and when I came back I was a little in between a spinner and semi but had some bad habits due to bad joints. I am a semi roller now and love it. The key for me was to really keep my palm turned up and keep my elbow close to the body and follow through. I was letting my elbow out and had a big hook I was having a hard time controlling it. I actually have lost a lot of hook and most of the time play straighter in the heavy oil and not on the outside as much. When I stopped trying to achieve the largest hook I can and rolled the bowl end over end forward my average took off I started carrying more strikes. You have to be a powerful bowler and a lot of back swing and match revs to ball speed to get a huge hook to pay off. 4 shoulder surgeries on the right arm kind of throws that out the window for me now, and I also had both hips cut on in the last couple years and fixing to have my left replaced due to necrosis, so I had to change. It is so much easier for me to be consistent this way now. Anyone with to much angle that is not a semi roller should try to make it part of their game. If nothing else It is just another tool when the lanes transition and you keep having your ball run away to the left.
@@ArtOfBowling Thank you so much. I get a lot out of your videos. I have shared them with some of my fellow bowlers especially one of them that teaches the high school kids. Only if TH-cam was a thing when I started I would not have so many bad habits. But it is never to late to learn. Thanks again
Thank yo for best and wise replay for tracks. I have spinner rolling delivery. Axis tilt more than 30 degrees. Now I try to make axis 10-15 digrees next time in practis. Do i have to chance my drillings with fingers and thump, more inside or reward? Wil there be some help. I have really big trouble to get my ball semi roller.
My roll is all of these. I can’t get a consistent release so I do all of these unintentionally. It’s annoying because most of them end up in the gutter.
Your service was impeccable! Now, if I could just get my alley to serve ME some good rolls..... ;-) Seriously, I'm understanding from looking at a few charts that my Axis Tilt of 33-37 degrees is "high." Does that mean when I get my next layout that it can be done to "compensate" for that and make the axis tilt lower, so that it starts to roll sooner??
I am a spinner. Never knew it was called that. It always made me crazy my oil line was so far away from the holes, now I know why. I would like to be a semi*roller.. are there drills or a way to change?
So apparently I have such a high track that it literally rolls over the far left edge of my middle finger. I'm a two handed (no thumb) bowler though that recently transitioned over after 30+ years of bowling the conventional way (thumb in ball) righty. Is it bad that my track is that high up? Does it mean my balls layouts should've been done a little differently? I just recently got all 5 balls thumb holes plugged and new layouts done since I was switching over to a 2H (no thumb) style and my PSO didn't even care to watch me throw the ball to do any adjustments with my PAP as a 2H compared to my old 1H PAP. Is it true that he didn't even need to see how I throw the ball 2H before laying out my balls? It's like he took my PAP of all the years I bowled as a conventional (thumb in ball) righty and just assumed what layout would work decent enough after making the switch.
yes just plugging might not work your pap changed with the switch....read manufacturers suggested layouts for two handers...discuss with pso...we shouldn't be over the fingers
No, I've known good bowlers who've thrown spinners. They are often more consistent across a variety of lane conditions, because the ball never hooks much. You don't get great carry but you can have a nice average. Plus the same shot works for spares.
I'm somewhere between the spinner and the semi roller but I want to fix it to just the semi when I use my hook ball to pick up spares the tracks are just like the semi tracks here but when I throw for a strike its closer to the spinning track HOW DO I FIX IT?
Problem! I rarely see any oil on my bowling ball! A little here and there on a fresh sport shot but only a spot here and there, not a full visible ring.
I pretty consistently get a track halfway between semi-roller and spinner with two-hand bowling. My rev rate isn't phenomenal, though, but I guess it gets the job done.
I am not a fan of the semi roller. The ball seems to stall and stop hooking? So, if your shot is not heading tight to the 1/3, it’s not going to keep turning giving you less pin action.
It was the thing in the 70's and 80's but the game has evolved and with modern equipment you are better off not being a full roller. I use to be one years ago.
@@ArtOfBowling Last league season, I rarely threw over the middle finger and thumb holes. This season its all the time. I have no idea what Im doing to cause it.
cranker spinner or full roller seems like you misspoke. That would be like saying "do you like apples, oranges, or Volkswagen? Cranker tweener and stroker generally have do with rev rate. Full roller is a track starting point That said, I've enjoyed your videos, keep them up!
I used to have the very first roll you showed my team mates are making me hold the ball with my hand underneath now but now my ball doesn’t roll almost at all. It glides down the lane rolling over the last foot or two before the pins...
Hand positions are a funny thing. As teammates are not the best coaches. They are great at seeing the effect but missing the cause. Jasmine find a great local coach if youd like i might be able to find one in your area.
@@ArtOfBowling it is just a bit more closer to my middle finger than what you showed for as a semi roller. I'm a 2 hander no thumb bowler if that info helps
my rolls go straight over the holes, when I got my newest ball the pro shop I went to said he would drill it so it no longer does that but it still does. is this bad to roll straight over your holes? Ive been bowling about 2 months now and am averaging 160 most nights and some im around 180 and I have 10 200 games my highest being a 234. Im kinda worried to re drill the ball and not like it as much as I do now.
Im none of these.. help.. haha I am low tilt like 5 degrees and 75-80 degrees of axis rotation. My ball tracks close to my fingers and thumb. My PAP is 5 and 5/8 over by 1 and 1/8 up
You never explained how to find your "track" or what a "track" is or even what it looks like on a bowling ball or when or how it is created. You assume new bowlers understand this. Obviously it is not a white grease mark line appearing on the ball after you have rolled it. What is the procedure for finding your track?
Sometimes when we cover things in past videos we try not to be repeat ourselves.... This is the video on finding your pap th-cam.com/video/SroR_qmLPo8/w-d-xo.html
Good video. Except the "helicopter roll". What you threw was palm up no rotation, and the ball was rotating backwards. In order to execute helicopter you need to twist your wrist on the horizontal to the ground plane.
There's no need to twist our wrist, using the thumb to push & creating the helicopter spin or by using the fingers to spin is another way. Wrist spinning is wrong.
@@theamflitebowler If you don't twist the wrist then you twist the elbow. There has to be some rotation, the fingers and thumb can't do it alone. I 've never seen even one helicopter style kee both elbow and wrist firm, and spin the ball just with fingers. In any case, this video shows it completely wrong anyway.
I am so embarrassed. I have been bowling since I was 5 ( I'm almost 40) and have no clue what he is talking about. I know nothing about different rollers or tracks . Wow
Arthur, entertaining and super informational... Keep doing great things for the sport of bowling 🎳 👍🏽😊👌🏽
1:18 The Helicopter? I thought this was called Aunt Susan who's never bowled before? 🤣
Big in the far east china, Taiwan. 12 pound balls with conventional grips. This guy won a worl championship using it.
th-cam.com/video/Ymkmi8cMT08/w-d-xo.html
Not as much as some of our fans
@@ArtOfBowling 11lbs is recommended, I do bowl Helicopter & also Hook
I'm three months into bowling and some days everything goes well and I hit a new personal high score (228 two weeks ago) or close to it (217 earlier this week), while on other days, I get more splits and I miss more single pin spares than I care to remember. Watching some of the others bowling in the adjacent lanes, I wondered if I should change my release... if my axis tilt is too low. Then I had that Eureka moment watching this video... when you said the semi-roller is (some would argue) the most desired roll. I'm a semi-roller. I'll just keep practising, working on being more consistent with my footwork, swing and release. Thank you for your videos.
Lol!!! I love the Humor ! Keep it up!
Humor is a very effective teaching tool it makes things memorable, gives us a mental picture to see things better. Also holds the lesson from last years annual meeting to keep bowling fun!
Good episode Art!
Now, if I can get some coffee to go with that sweet roll!
Ninzio got the last one!
Hey, I'm dyin' over here!
I love it when you came to our school thank you
You are welcome I had a great time talking to you guys about bowling and the opportunities it presents!
I use to be a full roller years ago but barely. It was in between my thumb and fingers but just barely. In fact if I did not release clean I took a chance on rolling over the thumb and did ever so often. Then I stopped bowling for 15 years and when I came back I was a little in between a spinner and semi but had some bad habits due to bad joints. I am a semi roller now and love it. The key for me was to really keep my palm turned up and keep my elbow close to the body and follow through. I was letting my elbow out and had a big hook I was having a hard time controlling it. I actually have lost a lot of hook and most of the time play straighter in the heavy oil and not on the outside as much. When I stopped trying to achieve the largest hook I can and rolled the bowl end over end forward my average took off I started carrying more strikes. You have to be a powerful bowler and a lot of back swing and match revs to ball speed to get a huge hook to pay off. 4 shoulder surgeries on the right arm kind of throws that out the window for me now, and I also had both hips cut on in the last couple years and fixing to have my left replaced due to necrosis, so I had to change. It is so much easier for me to be consistent this way now. Anyone with to much angle that is not a semi roller should try to make it part of their game. If nothing else It is just another tool when the lanes transition and you keep having your ball run away to the left.
A great example for other bowlers to learn from. Thank you!
@@ArtOfBowling Thank you so much.
I get a lot out of your videos. I have shared them with some of my fellow bowlers especially one of them that teaches the high school kids. Only if TH-cam was a thing when I started I would not have so many bad habits. But it is never to late to learn. Thanks again
Lets go. Best teacher
You guys were grest I had a blast the last two days!!!!!
Thank yo for best and wise replay for tracks. I have spinner rolling delivery. Axis tilt more than 30 degrees. Now I try to make axis 10-15 digrees next time in practis. Do i have to chance my drillings with fingers and thump, more inside or reward? Wil there be some help.
I have really big trouble to get my ball semi roller.
Semi Roller in the house!! 😄
Just found out the channel, Arthur this was briljant!
Thank you. Glad you found us.
Great video.
Honestly one of my favorites too!!!
Arthur, you just keep getting better!
Thank you! Have to give some of the credit to our great producer, writing staff, Art department, film crew and directors!!!!
I enjoy your videos
Love this guy.
My roll is all of these. I can’t get a consistent release so I do all of these unintentionally. It’s annoying because most of them end up in the gutter.
Your service was impeccable! Now, if I could just get my alley to serve ME some good rolls..... ;-) Seriously, I'm understanding from looking at a few charts that my Axis Tilt of 33-37 degrees is "high." Does that mean when I get my next layout that it can be done to "compensate" for that and make the axis tilt lower, so that it starts to roll sooner??
Thanks charles looking for that next video how is the game going
@@ArtOfBowling Striking more! Just need consistency. Video coming your way today!
Good video, but what is considered the pro roll? or rephrased the roll considered to be the ball motion achieved by the professionals?
r7709y 🤔🤔🤔
Most can chsnge it depending on conditions.
I am a spinner. Never knew it was called that. It always made me crazy my oil line was so far away from the holes, now I know why. I would like to be a semi*roller.. are there drills or a way to change?
So apparently I have such a high track that it literally rolls over the far left edge of my middle finger.
I'm a two handed (no thumb) bowler though that recently transitioned over after 30+ years of bowling
the conventional way (thumb in ball) righty. Is it bad that my track is that high up? Does it mean my
balls layouts should've been done a little differently? I just recently got all 5 balls thumb holes plugged
and new layouts done since I was switching over to a 2H (no thumb) style and my PSO didn't even care
to watch me throw the ball to do any adjustments with my PAP as a 2H compared to my old 1H PAP.
Is it true that he didn't even need to see how I throw the ball 2H before laying out my balls? It's like he
took my PAP of all the years I bowled as a conventional (thumb in ball) righty and just assumed what
layout would work decent enough after making the switch.
yes just plugging might not work your pap changed with the switch....read manufacturers suggested layouts for two handers...discuss with pso...we shouldn't be over the fingers
So if my oil track is more of a spinner, is it necessarily a bad thing?
No, I've known good bowlers who've thrown spinners. They are often more consistent across a variety of lane conditions, because the ball never hooks much. You don't get great carry but you can have a nice average. Plus the same shot works for spares.
Me too. Always wondered why it was so far away from my fingers. Now I know. And sounds like it's not a bad thing after all.
I'm somewhere between the spinner and the semi roller but I want to fix it to just the semi when I use my hook ball to pick up spares the tracks are just like the semi tracks here but when I throw for a strike its closer to the spinning track HOW DO I FIX IT?
will be covered in a upcoming video
@@ArtOfBowling Have you made this video yet. I would love to see it.
What about the new no thumb layouts
Problem! I rarely see any oil on my bowling ball! A little here and there on a fresh sport shot but only a spot here and there, not a full visible ring.
I pretty consistently get a track halfway between semi-roller and spinner with two-hand bowling. My rev rate isn't phenomenal, though, but I guess it gets the job done.
I am not a fan of the semi roller. The ball seems to stall and stop hooking? So, if your shot is not heading tight to the 1/3, it’s not going to keep turning giving you less pin action.
Same here. I just get no back end semi roller. Cocking my wrist to get more tilt gives a more spinner like track, cleaner fronts and snappier back end
I'm in between a semi-roll to a spinner but am a good enough bowler to change it when necessary. Only roll I can't execute is the full roller.
It was the thing in the 70's and 80's but the game has evolved and with modern equipment you are better off not being a full roller. I use to be one years ago.
I bowled in the 70's and 80's and the full roller was not a thing. It was unusual and rare.@@jvmiller1995
Im right handed, What about my track lines going over the middle finger and thumb holes?
ummm...not good
@@ArtOfBowling Last league season, I rarely threw over the middle finger and thumb holes. This season its all the time. I have no idea what Im doing to cause it.
@@scorpion-ninja8228 hard to tell without seeing your releasefind your pap so you can see it once you see it you may be able to change it
That old guy in this video looks familiar. Did he live in Schenectady, ny ?
Nunzi...Ill have to ask...I see him every Friday...
cranker spinner or full roller seems like you misspoke.
That would be like saying "do you like apples, oranges, or Volkswagen?
Cranker tweener and stroker generally have do with rev rate.
Full roller is a track starting point
That said, I've enjoyed your videos, keep them up!
cheers!
To you also its good to be back to coaching
I used to have the very first roll you showed my team mates are making me hold the ball with my hand underneath now but now my ball doesn’t roll almost at all. It glides down the lane rolling over the last foot or two before the pins...
Hand positions are a funny thing. As teammates are not the best coaches. They are great at seeing the effect but missing the cause. Jasmine find a great local coach if youd like i might be able to find one in your area.
@@ArtOfBowling I wasn’t sure if there were any coaches In my part of Wyoming
I have a lot of balls drilled differently but my track is always the same so I must be rolling the ball well and consistent right?
How far from the finger holes is youy track
@@ArtOfBowling it is just a bit more closer to my middle finger than what you showed for as a semi roller. I'm a 2 hander no thumb bowler if that info helps
my rolls go straight over the holes, when I got my newest ball the pro shop I went to said he would drill it so it no longer does that but it still does. is this bad to roll straight over your holes? Ive been bowling about 2 months now and am averaging 160 most nights and some im around 180 and I have 10 200 games my highest being a 234. Im kinda worried to re drill the ball and not like it as much as I do now.
could be a release problem...would hsve to see it
@@ArtOfBowling so it shoukdnt roll right over the holes?
@@robertgoff7996 no it should not
My roll goes over the finger holes what would that roll be considered?
Id have to see where it is rolling around the ball. It could be a full roller with a drilling not quite right for your roll
@@ArtOfBowling Ok, thanks for the feedback! 👍👍👍
What about an inverted track
Im none of these.. help.. haha I am low tilt like 5 degrees and 75-80 degrees of axis rotation. My ball tracks close to my fingers and thumb. My PAP is 5 and 5/8 over by 1 and 1/8 up
That would make you either a tweener of semi roller
The UFO roll
You never explained how to find your "track" or what a "track" is or even what it looks like on a bowling ball or when or how it is created.
You assume new bowlers understand this.
Obviously it is not a white grease mark line appearing on the ball after you have rolled it.
What is the procedure for finding your track?
Sometimes when we cover things in past videos we try not to be repeat ourselves.... This is the video on finding your pap
th-cam.com/video/SroR_qmLPo8/w-d-xo.html
“Can I get a little service around here for a change???!!! “
his name is really nunzio too!!!
Great accent
Brooklyn is my secomd language!
Good video. Except the "helicopter roll". What you threw was palm up no rotation, and the ball was rotating backwards. In order to execute helicopter you need to twist your wrist on the horizontal to the ground plane.
I appreciate the clarification!
@@ArtOfBowling You're welcome! It can be hard to do it, if the wrist doesn't have good mobility in that plane.
There's no need to twist our wrist, using the thumb to push & creating the helicopter spin or by using the fingers to spin is another way. Wrist spinning is wrong.
@@theamflitebowler If you don't twist the wrist then you twist the elbow. There has to be some rotation, the fingers and thumb can't do it alone. I 've never seen even one helicopter style kee both elbow and wrist firm, and spin the ball just with fingers. In any case, this video shows it completely wrong anyway.
Ok you forgot my roll! I track closer to the fingers than the thumb.
My roll wasn’t on the menu....I’m a no thumb bowler.
Ok who's next"...🗣️Can I get a little service here for a change. 🤣🤦🏻♂️
Why the helicopter roll is not famous outside asia? Lol
Ever bern to where I bowl in Flushing New York?
LETS GO METS! ;)
I just had a jersey made for Art of Bowling
My roll is spinner
I am so embarrassed. I have been bowling since I was 5 ( I'm almost 40) and have no clue what he is talking about. I know nothing about different rollers or tracks . Wow
My roll is over the figers
Not good