Bowling Layouts for the Modern Game Part 1
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- This presentation talks about layouts. We use a symmetrical core shape and offer the advantages of knowing several key metrics when considering different layouts. If you like the information presented here consider joining our staff for free. In addition we offer free certified coaching support to staff members.
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I can’t watch this or the asym video enough. A lot of great information. Thank you Ron Hickland, CEO, Creating the Difference
I've always been curious what the various layouts did to the bowling ball. Thank you so much for a through explanation. And the fact the average bowler, like me, wouldn't notice much at my level as I'm re-learning how to bowl with these new balls as of 1/2024. Note: I have not bowled since 1997 so 25 years of technology has made my AMF "Angle" somewhat obsolete and don't even fit my hand anymore!
Can't wait to see the asymmetrical seminar. Would love to see some fresh insight and a real explanation on the reason you get the different reactions based on where the mb is located. Also why some bowlers just don't match up well with asymmetricals.
TH-cam still needs an informative video on full roller layouts.... That would be awesome!!!!
Radical just uploaded a Mo Pinel video for full rollers just on today . th-cam.com/video/X9fVezeFi-g/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for taking the time to explain layouts in a clear and educational way. I had one ball with a traction layout and the other one had a continuous layout. Next I will find speed, rev rate, tilt, rotation, and point so I will be better informed with the next purchase and as a bowler.
Thank for you this education, Ronald! Creating The Difference!
One of your better videos...good job.
Amazing presentation. I am also a BSME and been wanting to understand the physics of bowling more!
Great info. Love the education! #CTD
If you get a chance can you do a Hammer Black Widow Gold/Black review? Love your channel as well 👍🏻
A very informative video and simply put as well. I knew your name sounded familiar, a buddy of mine wanted me to watch this video because you seem to have the same view as I have on asymmetrical weight blocks. Anyways I'm terrible with names but when I saw who you were, light bulb came on... Long story short the Track In2ition is the asyms last shot in my bag. Using all the information I have on the way my ball rolls and being a precise as possible it was determined that 50 x 5 x 45 would be more than ideal. Sad news and same result … Squirty and condition specific once again
I needed this. Do you do seminars and recommend optimal layouts that fit this slot Arsenal building?
We do and you will see a lot more videos coming on this topic. If you join our staff you can get in on custom arsenals and see a much more detailed version of this presentation. ctdbowling.com/pages/staff-inquiries
Great Video with lots of useful info ... In regards to the software - Powerhouse Blueprint Software ... It looks like it is not supported anymore and I was using a 5 day free trial and loved it! ... two balls with layout and drilled by local pro shop(specs provided) flare over the thumb hole ... Anyway to get a full version of Powerhouse Blueprint Software???
Learn a lot about your videos. How to adjust those angles and pin buffer if your speed is about 12mph and 300 rev? Thanks
Very nice video. I want some infos pls... I have a low rev rate of around 175-200 and speed of avg 13. I want a very strong angular asymmetric ball for the heaviest of oil condition. Can u provide a drilling layout pls and suggest such ball? Also is the Radical Zing good as I want to purchase that ball which is very strong in the backend as per the description of the ball given.
I have a 15lb Venom Shock that I haven’t drilled yet until I find out my PAP. I bowl right handed in the “angular” style being shown in this video. Is the angular layout shown here a generic that would need to be adjusted based on the Venom Shock specs, my PAP, and my finger span? Oh also very important I am a no thumb bowler with no thumb hole, or balance hole as well. I do not bowl two handed though. I believe last time my ball was drilled the pro shop took my span measurements including the thumb for mock up measuring purposes. Then when it came time to drill just drilled the middle and ring finger holes, and left the thumb out. I’m not sure it that’s how they should have did it though? 😆. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Do these metrics change for left hand bowlers? Would the PAP need to be inverse of what it is for the right hand bowler? Thank you for the content.
Ron I see that in your video reviews for the new bowling balls coming out that you have the same layout. Is that ball drilled for you based upon your specs? Is that your favorite layout or are you at a ball demo and that's what they use for everybody? Pin over the Bridge and cg in the palm. Just curious because I'm a lefty bowler also.
So most are demo ball layouts.
It would be cool to see some of your favorite layouts and what part of the lane and the conditions you use them on. Thanks
Hey Ron,
Here's my question. I'm looking at the Angular layout from the video, 45x5x30. I'm curious of your thoughts on these pin to pap distances, when dealing with Low Tilt bowlers. Both Radical and Storm will strongly suggest bowlers with less than 10 degrees of tilt stay in the 3.25-4" range for Pin to Pap. I was hoping you could shed some light on how safe it is to use 5" pin to paps and how it corresponds to tilt retention when specifically looking for that Angular Shape for bowlers with less than 10 degrees of tilt.
Thanks.
Low tilt means the ball will tend to roll early. I would go the other way with like a 5.5 inch pin. To help the ball lose as little energy as possible. I also would stick to more symmetrical balls.
@@Ctdbowling More Symmetrical balls? I've been taught Symmetric balls lose tilt almost twice as fast as Asyms. Is that wrong?
@@KennyGrinols that would be incorrect. Here is some more information to consider. It also explains why the angular ball is angular. th-cam.com/video/YYIQX4XAIU0/w-d-xo.html
The Dual Angle Layout is about how to achieve a desired ball track. FYI this only affects 2 to 7% of ball performance.
The first number 45 degrees is the drilling angle. The higher the angle the longer the ball will stay in the skid phase.
The second number is the Pin to PAP measurement. This determines how much of the potential weight block flare will be employed. In this example layout, 5”, the weight block is moderately energized.
The last number is the VAL angle 📐. This number determines how long the ball stays in the hook phase. Lower the angle the quicker the ball transitions to the roll phase. 30 degrees VAL angle will make the ball have a strong backend transition.
In summary the 45 x 5 x 30 ball layout will be best for a bowler that has good rev rate and speed that will hook at around 35’ - medium flare, and angular “Snap” at the breakpoint to deliver maximum power roll to the pin deck.
This layout is for an asymmetrical ball. Lower rev bowlers would be best to go with a 3 3/8 to 4” Pin to PAP.
Surface is the most influential to ball performance. Up to 53 to 60%.
putting inserts in the ball or just simply being within an inch or 2 of the pin voids the warranty too. I would geuss more times than not the warranties arent worth what they are written on and it really comes down to the shop you go to if you get it replaced or not.
I know this is an old video, but what "app" or program are you using to input the bowler data and be able to see the oil tracking of the ball? I think this information can be super helpful if it's out there. Maybe a CTD app? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
What would be a good layout for me since I am a one handed no thumb bowler? Great video Ronald.
When we post the next video we have a no thumb bowler layout
I wanna know as well since im a left one handed no thumb bowler
@@Ctdbowling has the video released yet with the no thumb layout for one handers? I am right handed looking for direction in this topic because in my comfort zone I am tracking over my finger holes.
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@@Ctdbowling do have a home alley? Do you ever travel or come around the Cincinnati area?
I bowl from a wheelchair. What ball do you recommend? My average is 145 and I throw a 12 pound ball.
so, which one the the strongest layout?
Im looking to buy a new bowling ball, what would be your pick for someone who just wants to have one good bowling ball. I'm looking at storm phaze 3, iq emerald, rotogrip idol pro.
I would get a IQ Tour Blue if I was getting only one ball.
So how would the 45x3 3/8x60 layout work on say my precision solid?
Depends on how you throw it. We will have asymmetrical ball layouts next video
My speed is average 13 (reduced due to lumbar pain), PAP is 5 & 7/8Up, Rev around 200. I need the following
1) A very strong skid-flip (strong backend) layout
2) A very strong continous layout
Would you be able to help please?
Great
I want know most recommendations
Since I don’t have an existing bowling ball when I go to my local pro shop to purchase one how would the technician determine my layout and P.A.P to best suit my needs
Watch as many TH-cam videos as possible and learn more about layouts.
nice info . .but my ball speed only 13-14mph what is the best number for those 4 layout ..
It depends on the rest of the metrics we discuss. Think of it like baking a cake. You need all of the ingredients to know how it is going to turn out.
Is there a big difference in carry by using a 15lb ball versus a 14lb ball?
Great presentation, I always wondered how to communicate to the pro shop how I want my balls drilled. I want to learn how to drill balls myself, is there any training videos that'll give me that information
Good video. I’d argue layouts/cores are closer to 50% reaction. Same cover on 2 different cores really change what a ball does.
Watch this video. th-cam.com/video/PnUCe-vVirk/w-d-xo.html
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why is the max hook 40 differential?
Hi, picking your brain,...used to Carry 210+avg with 706A 15 lb on heavy oil, highest game was 300 on a sat practice dynothane 15lb med oil house shot.. bought 2 14 lb cuz of injuries n age, one is sym. Other is asym with k22, they all overhook cuz I can only throw 11 to 12 mph not 100 %sure of revs but balls ar fingertip and I'm guessing 295-325 rpm. I want my newest ball to be continuous...almost like a full roll but more angle to b high flush. Will I drill continuous layout I need as much length as possible cuz only 12mph max. B4, I was using skid snap w 706A....we never know what oil is on the lanes untill we roll...I got k22 for heavy oil...non sym and reactive resin sym for less to dry oil. Rt now only averaging 180 + or - a few have the knowledge of adjustments on the approach but need help drilling proper layouts for less hook at break pnt at 12 mph thanks this vid was very good info!!!
So what you're pretty much saying is that 70 x 3.5 x 20 is a crappy layout? I just got the Storm Dark Code drilled with that layout and the pro-shop operator is an Engineer as well and he said that would be a good angular layout.
Is the traction layout 45x3 3/8x30 or 45x3 3/8x60
Seems like a typo, not sure which one it's suppose to be, but you're right, they list it both ways in the video. Nice catch.
You are correct there is a typo it's 45x 3 3/8 x 60. Nice catch!
Hmmm kinda weird how I have a gb2 with basicly the same layout as the first one. Also my specs are extremely close to the “avg” bowler. Mine doesn’t roll over the thumb?
That is why it's so important to have the correct measurements. Your situation would seem to point that extremely close isn't as close as one may think. It would be good to get your measurements checked and potentially we could put them in to simulate the difference.
Thing is with the gb2 weight block every inch and an eighth you move the pin from your pap you hit a new RG plane. So there really is no difference between a 4 inch pin and a 4.5. Idk just seems like a very popular commonly used layout for a bowler like that to smash the thumb that much.
@@Marshallbuttholeman well truth is I designed that core shape 😊. The RG planes are not evenly spaced. In our bonus content we will deep dive into the RG contours. Make sure you watch that video.
Can you explain what the numbers mean? 40x5.5x30
These layouts are all based upon One handed bowlers, and their "normal" Positive axis point... would it be possible to do another video based upon two handers axis points? like for say.. my axis is 5 inches up, 2 1/4 right, and no i didn't mean 5 inches over and 2 1/4 up, because all the pro shops think thats what i mean.. I just have a really whack one and i can't seem to find anything that will continue downlane without dying. I've ended up having to drill left handed layouts and they work better but i still would like a video or something that can assume weird axis points such as mine
We have additional layouts here th-cam.com/video/YYIQX4XAIU0/w-d-xo.html
what bowling ball restoration system do you hold a patent on? Im only curious because im looking at purchasing the clear.
Google Patents and type Ronald Hickland Jr
Can you do one for 2 handers?
I will have one next video
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The average bowler has a 350 rev rate?
Yeah we should have said serious league bowler.
Ronald Hickland Jr ya bc id be head over heels for a 350 rev rate. I can count mine with a sun dial lol
Rudy Hughes make sure your ball is fitted exactly for your hand. I see too many old people in my league thinking they can or should throw 15-16lbs because that’s “what real men use”. Too many drop the ball at the foul line. Too many have thumb holes not fitted right. Too many using balls way too heavy for their wrists.
If layouts only effect it 10%, then who cares what the layout is, just get it drilled
I am a newby and having a difficulty of tracking your presentation. You’re talking an asymmetrical ball but you’re actually showing a symmetrical layouts. You mentioned on your other video that on symmetrical ball cg placement is not important.
This video is titled Understanding Symmetrical layouts for the modern game. The layouts described are used on a symmetrical ball. This particular video is only symmetrical balls.
Why are we talking about layouts for symmetrical equipment? Thanks to the usbc, only thing that matters is Val angle and pin to pap.
Jeremy Migonis ok Mo...
@@TraumaER This isn't a Moism. It's been proven for decades.
Sounds like a Mo Pinel school of thought to me
Listen, if you honestly believe that 1 oz of static weight change in an object that is over 8 lb makes a difference, I can't help you. That's not a Moism.
Jeremy Migonis I have a Professional Engineering license in two states. I know that layouts matter. I also bowled 662 this week using a Pitch Black.
RG contours are wrong on the 3.5" x 20. That's why you think it will roll over the thumb. It will not.
LOL you should watch the follow up video so you can see where the RG Contours actually are. 😂😂😂. th-cam.com/video/YYIQX4XAIU0/w-d-xo.html
@@Ctdbowling I know what they are and the contour the axis would follow for that drilling would go through the fingers. The drilling is practically right off of a Radical drilling chart. It works fine for the given bowler specs. Probably some operator error on your end.
@@cardinalcopium5088 it's not off of any chart, it's generic and specific to the information presented. The contours are an expression of physics. Considering I designed that core I can assure you the contours are correct. You can keep to your opinions, I'll stick with the facts 😁. We both know you don't have any facts or data contrary, and I am presenting my data here 😂😂😂. Thanks for watching. Don't worry we have more videos coming. Feel free to watch them and improve your knowledge of the game. We are here to help.
@@Ctdbowling I don't see any facts presented. I see a simulation that is wrong.
@@cardinalcopium5088 that's because you either didn't read when I posted this link or you don't understand what this video is showing. th-cam.com/video/YYIQX4XAIU0/w-d-xo.html
This is the data in numbers for the contours. There isn't much to debate here. The fact is, you don't have the core or the ability to simulate the core. Which means you can only have opinions. I get it, It's like talking to a person who believes the Earth is flat. Even though the data says it's round.😂😂😂. It's cool, believe what you need to in order to feel good about yourself. I appreciate the banter, have a fantastic day.