DISCOVERY 4 ROLLOVER | 4WD Victorian High Country [2018] | LANDCRUISER 105 & 80 4wd | ALLOFFROAD
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2018
- After a year of absence from the Victorian High Country / East Gippsland due to the build of my new 4wd Tough Touring Vehicle the Landcruiser 105 it was time to explore a new area and discover some new (to us) 4wd tracks. In attendance was Mark in his Landrover Discovery 4, Rob and Caitlin in the Landcruiser 80 Series and myself in the Landcruiser 105. We did not know that this 4x4 trip was to end with a horrific 4wd rollover on a very steep hill which saw Marks Landrover Discovery 4 written off.
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Thanks for the comments guy's just as a follow-up, Mark was ok besides a few bruises. The vehicle was written off and the insurance paid the market value. Mark's spirit is not dampened and he is currently decided which vehicle to replace the D4 with.
WOW ! one hell of a pucker moment.....
I'm pleased that they are ok, buy 4 disco 2s with the money, 1 for each time he goes up that road ;)
Needs to get a D1 300tdi at least you have no electrics and when your roll you only lost a couple grand :)
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Hi, so in my Auto 100 series with no hill decent control and stalled engine. What is the correct procedure (remembering that cruisers don't have the best hand brake)....?
Thank you
Plant foot on footbrake as hard as you can, pull handbrake gently in 2-3 steps, put the vehicle in park and start the vehicle. Put in gear (forward or reverse) Loosen handbrake gently and put left foot on foot brake and right foot over accelerator pedal > gently release footbrake until the car is just about to move, apply throttle and drive trough footbrake until the car has desired momentum without slipping wheels...
This video made me go back and do some more research on my HDC system. Turns out I had incorrectly identified the instructions for the HDC from a different model year, and was attempting to use a system that my vehicle was not equipped with. This explains why I always thought the system was ineffective. I now know how to use my system properly, know that it works in reverse, and will keep it on at all times when on difficult terrain. Thank you for such a valuable lesson. If I hadn't seen this video, I'm not sure I ever would have corrected this, which could have led to a situation like Mark's. Very thankful that Mark wasn't injured, and I hope he is back on the tracks soon... in a Jeep ;)
Glad to see nobody was injured. Hopefully all will be sorted through insurance and your sense of adventure will not be dampened. Best of luck!
Been waiting along time for this video! Great video as always and interesting to see how easy a roll over can occur given the failure to address a few minor details. Glad everyone’s okay.
Sometimes technology can be backwards .....keep it simple !As always enjoyable video Stefan ,glad no one was hurt.
Wow!! Glad Mark got out safe & well & looking forward to seeing what the next vehicle will be 👍
(Go Patrol to even out these Cruisers 😋)
Thank you for another great show. Inspires my boys and I to explore more of the vic high country
Thank you Robert
A nice little cameo by Scott at Jamieson River Automotive at the end there hahaha
OMG !!! That would have been extremely scary...glad all ok :-)
Stunning views and good looking tracks up till then :-)
Thanks again for well done video. Sorry about roll over.Your Cruiser is looking very tasty.
Thank you for explaining the rollover for us to learn from
Great video, sad ending. Glad to see Mark safe and get covered. My D4 had been to high country few times without much issues including billy goat, but I did have some scary moments.It could happen to anyone and any vehicles, either you pick the wrong line, or just bad decisions when things happen so quickly. I don’t like to use hill descent but low 4 get me through most of obstacles, you might be right as it does work in the reverse to provide extra safety. Always something to learn, it could be anyone of us. Had seen many times Mark’s D4 in your video, sad to see it go. It had done it job, RIP. Good luck to Mark, and his choice of future 4WD, either LR or not, just follow your heart. Once again, just hope all 4WD communities to byo rubbish, make 4WD future sustainable.
Geez! Scary stuff, glad marks ok
Bloody hell, that roll over! Lucky for all the safety features that kept him safe
Yes that could have ended much worse
OMG, that roll over, my heart sinks
Good little tip about stopping after a river crossing 👍
Great job. Keep going, your content is amazing
Thank you very much....
Great episode, really enjoyed the more overland style episode
Thanks Warren
You always speak good England 👍
Love this. Quality getting better too. You deserve more views...
Thank you very much
Having now watched that, it's the second disco I've seen that's rolled, both a 3 & 4 and it makes me think about trading the old defender in because it would be certain death in a rollover like that. Glad you got out in one piece Mark - must have been a very scary moment and it all happens so quickly.
any vehicle going sideways down an embankment is going to roll.
the important thing then ... is how safe will the occupants be?
Mt. Selma one of our Favourite Camping spots. (No we take our rubbish) We did a very similar trip in June 1st night at Mt Selma next Night Half way along Mt. Sunday Road. As said great track was some winching involved mainly for the discovery's with small 32 inch tyres 35's probably wouldn't have too. I've since added lockers to my D1 so i think i would get further than i did before but still need winching. It was bitterly cold that trip on 1st 2 nights but snow is awesome times. Feel Sorry for Mark losing the D4 that way lessons learned at great expense. Stuff can happen quick and when you panic its real easy to forget how to do things properly.
Glad he's ok. Sorry to see his truck roll.
Great video. Enjoyed your honest approach to that gut wrenching rollover. My top heavy 79 Series would have been right behind it most probs!! Interested to know how the vehicle was ultimately recovered??
nice video Stephan,with a terrible end of the trip . But fortunately nothing happened to the driver.
yes the most important thing is that Mark is ok everything else is replaceable ...
THANK YOU FOR VIDEO AS ALL WELL WITH OTHER FRIENDS WITH YOU
Wow I have a D4 just like that, time to find a steep hill with a nice flat run off and try this. I do have one question, what terrain response setting did Mark have the Disco on
Good to see Mark walk out of that - the most important thing of all. Interesting how many immediately jump on the tech as the problem / cause. Did you actually listen to the explanation of how they think it happened?
if you don't drive a vehicle that has advanced technology 'properly' ... it can have consequences.
I'd also suggest that he had a bit of bad luck against him as well ... in a rut & a bad line.
Easy for some to judge in hind-sight though.
Another excellent video
Unfortunate for mark
thanks mate, yes pretty bad luck for Mark but he is ok that's the most important
Hi Stephan we did the same track in April 2015 and a friend on mine rolled over at what looks the exact same spot. We were going down the track as opposed to you going up it. He luckily did not get injured and the same person (Scott at Jamieson recovered the vehicle a few days later).
wow, how did this happen in your case?
Left wheel went slightly up the embankment, tried to correct it, lost slight control and 4wd rolled over from there. Happened so quickly. I was around the switch back so I didn't see it. Very scary at the time. It was wet and looked more rutted than your vision. Maybe its been graded since then.
might have been a bit higher up, just above where mark rolled were some pretty deep ruts and a very tight switchback were stuff easily could go wrong
Love my manual D2. That would be scary.
Wow, that was a very scary end of the video which was otherwise outstanding again Stefan. Was very happy to see Mark crawling upwards without any visible injuries. We can all take away a lesson or two from this. I have a similar system in my vehicle and actually had it turned off for some time after reading it impacted on fuel consumption in the city and surrounds (Forum gained knowledge??) Given that it is an automatic it is vital to have it on for steep descents off road I find. I have always thought the later Discovery models looked to have a high centre of gravity and often quite scary angles over bumpy terrain.
Hopefully, Marks offroad adventuring spirit wins through and he finds a great new ride. How did your cruiser go Stefan? Would be good to have an update on how things are working out etc. Many thanks again,Guy
Hi Guy, centre of gravity did not play a role in this but yes Hill decent Control should always be on when driving difficult terrain, however in later vehicles with GRC this can become painful in step descents were you have to go down rock steps as to my knowledge you cant disable GRC separately so if you ease yourself down a step everytime you touch the brake the vehicle will hold the break for a few seconds...
Cruiser is going very well and the update is coming just waiting for final suspension to go in..,.
WOW... glad you were ok mark..... truly a scary moment.... Stephan great video and I loved the way you started.... very impressive that insurance paid.... Can you say who he was insured with for piece of mind...? loving the long trip vlog...! 😎
Thanks mate, yes it was a scary situation but thankfully no one good hurt, I don’t think you would have an issue with any decent insurance paying, set of unfortunate circumstance on a gazette track
To quote Scotty, the more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop-up the drain.
Should have bought a LandCruiser!
I also like to keep it simple...
seen plenty of them rolled over.
Hi guys, Just came across your vids in my "recommendation" part of youtube. Great video and commentary 👍🏻. have subscribed and will watch some of ya other vids. Are you guys victorian base/live?
Hi Steve, great you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching, we are based in Sydney but I love the VHC
As soon as you put a computer into anything, you're going to have problems. Hope he got the LR back on the road, or perhaps even better, it was written off for the right price.
vehicle was written off unfortunately
Not Pommy Mark???? haven't even watched the whole video yet but so glad to hear you were ok! Was racy Tracy with you for the rollover? Sorry to hear about that mate. For those of you who haven't met Mark, he's a top bloke so good to hear he's ok!
Gerald Duncan
Thanks mate. All by myself, and glad to be able to walk away intact.
Mark A. Hope you’re ok and back to the bush with a new rig, whatever it is. Shit happens and you where in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope you still enjoy going out as you look like a good mate o go out with. Cheers. And take care. Regards from a disco 2
Did the centre diff lock disengage when the engine stopped, apparently this can happen with newer cars.
today our modern 4x4s have got to smart or complicated
Series 3 with portals ... starting point
You are right. In rock crawl mode on the D4 with hill descent control activated, the computer will automatically arrest all forward or backward uncontrolled movements by applying the brakes. Mark is lucky it was a D4. An older model he may have not walked away from.
There was no break applied by the computer the vehicle stalled and just rolled unfortunately the one thing that saved him was the tree and the airbags
Thats very interesting to hear that going backwards in drive makes the computer shut the engine down.
Did the discovery have a cheat system installed enabling it to be raised higher than factory settings allow? If so i regard that as the main reason for the incident. If the vehicle doesnt have enough droop travel, traction is bad.
the height rods just put the vehicle in off-road height not super extended height, they were in to prevent it from dropping to road height if you go to fast.
Agree that modern 4x4s are simply too clever, although Andrew White gave very high marks to this model for off road ability on the Baboon Pass in Lesotho (he did two TH-cam videos on this).
The ultimate example of what can happen when you let the electronics take over are the two recent crashes involving the Boeing 737 Max.
I admit that I'm a dinosaur but I prefer my old Defender - if I have a serious incident like this one then it's 100% my fault. Remember, if the going gets too tough one can always turn back.
I really feel for the driver who had a horrible experience but great that he was unharmed.
Yes agree mate
Glad Mark is ok but one hell of an expensive way to find shortcomings in modern electronic vehicles.
What shortcomings are you referring to?
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The transmission going to safety mode to protect itself. But he kinda used it wrong by putting it straight to P under a lot of stress.
17" wheels on the discovery? How? Please do show. Glad driver is safe! Update on the disco?
thanks for the video :)
pretty sure it was 17" aftermarket wheels, one of the D4 could have them they other not because of brake calipers. Mark has a new (to him) Discovery 4
17” Landrover Rims will legally fit a 2.7L D4...the D3 initially came with these Rims.
They will not fit any of the 3.0l D4.
Nice place to 4wheeling
From what i see the car was driven in "extended mode" (automatically engaged or forced with extra lift ecu), this allow more ground clearance but limit dramatically the suspension travel! This result in a unstable situation due to one or two wheels not touching the ground while in a little twist, generating a yaw momentum which could be unmanageble from car electronics.
Sometimes it is better to crawl the car belly remaining with all 4 wheels firmly on ground running the standard "offroad height" instead of rising the car to his suspension travel limit and loose traction/breaking capability...
Happy to see that owner comes out on his legs!
No it was driven in offroad height but the height settings did not play a role in this
At min 24:09 the car was in extended height, not offroad one
And again, the engine stalls if you do not disengage the DSC, in steep ascent it can be dangerous if you loose traction due to twisted areas. HDC anyway must be always on during steeps.
I tend to disagree - the extra height comes at expense of supple suspension. IN this case it should have helped actually
it had the height rods in to stay in offroad height, no extended height as this would have meant the vehicle was grounded to raise itself, which did not happen.
Guess he won't be rushing to buy another Toorak tractor 😆😆 They don't fare so well when tested. Maybe he'll opt for a manual 100/GU next time. Good on you for picking up the rubbish, it just beggars belief that these young muppets go up there and leave their crap behind.
another Landcruiser owner by chance?
Land Rover make 4x4's. Every LR has to be a capable 4x4 ... everything else comes second.
LR have always had advanced technology on their vehicles ... much of the stuff only just appearing on their competitors vehicles recently.
LR has always had a well deserved reputation as a very capable 4x4 and market leader..... check out the Camel Trophy rallies!!
And one other thing .... there's a 'reason' Land Rover OUTSELLS Toyota's 6:1 in Africa.
It is a vehicle that doesn't have to prove anything to anybody!!
Strength to Mike.
Very interested regarding the Mud Tyres
After speaking with a friend that tests the Ford Ranger in Sand and the High Country and himself also owning a LC100 with Mud Tyres and multiple trips to the VHC, his comments were, an All Terrain tyre would be better for the High Country and Sand driving.
Not too mention better on road too.
Just interesting on your thoughts of the MT in the VHC?
I heard that before personally would disagree, MT tyres are usually much stronger overall and with stronger sidewalls. I have done 10 High Country and multiple desert trips, never had a flat or got stuck as a matter of fact in over 80000ks Offroad touring and play with KM2 I never had a flat
Thank you, your responses is kind of what i thought.
And i see many other dedicated 4WD uses using MT, even for rocky West Oz conditions...
We have AT's on a 4WD we use for beach launching a heavy 6Meter boat, they seems to do very well in soft/wet beach sand.
In saying that, a friend has MT's in 35's and he was unstoppable in the same conditions
m/t are shit on road
I disagree, tyres like KM 2 or the new KM3 don't drive much different on the road to aggressive AT's
ok what brand are they
Bad luck. Happy all is ok. Shit happens and I saw the rear drawers etc were built properly. So important ro prepare for the worst. People get injured with ipads and mobile phones flying around on sealed tarmac accidents.
Btw, thought D4s came with lockers??? ... (Checked and eems its standard issue LR D4s here in South Africa)
D4 has a very sophisticated traction control and can be optioned with a non-selectable rear e-diff which Mark did have, still, any new vehicle relying on traction control will require more wheel spin and a different style of driving than with an old school locked vehicle.
AllOffroad 4x4 Adventures TV can you kindly elaborate on the different style of driving we should approach with old school lockers vs new tech traction control etc. thanks for sharing your knowledge sir
@@the.magnus Traction control has a delayed reaction, the wheels need to slip first before it can start working. So you must keep driving even when the wheels start slipping for it to work.
Lockers are better because they give all the traction straight away. But if your wheels are spinning and you are not going anywhere, there is usually no reason to keep it up like you would with traction control.
Not all traction control systems are equal. Some can react very quickly, while others do too little too late.
spot on
24:50 for the rollover details
Sorry to correct you but the world's tallest flowering tree is the eucalyptus regnans found near Hobart
Happy to be corrected mate
Licloa Pronounced Li - Cola and great stuff with picking up rubbish what do we do with people that leave rubbish behind ?
Thanks mate, very good question education from an early age and heavy fines, but then who is enforcing it with NP get staff cuts left right centre
1st say anything :P
yea I hate it too when people dirty the mountains. it's not like they were driving 100kph and coudnt stop to pick it up. jerks
I'm always appalled at the amount of rubbish idiots leave in the bush. We also always take out more than we went in with.
Perhaps the "least capable" vehicle should have between the two Landcruisers. Not bringing up the rear. At the end of the day no one was hurt,that's the main thing. I think "old school" tech is best in those types of steep High Country terrains.IE Live axles ,coil springs,deep low range gearing, lockers front and back and 33-35 Mud Terrains 80 , GU GQ , Wrangler Rubicons etc .
yes, I agree but if you travel for 7 days car position will vary and we did not really know the track and what to expect
landcruisers forever no GU S
14:49 Red ‘P’, that’s why.
Too much technology get things back to driver having most input
25:00
SHOULD HAVE HAD A LANDCRUISER IN STEAD...BEST VECHILE ...USED IN ALL COUNTRYS..
Land Rover have been used in ALL countries and still are.
They also OUTSELL Landcruiser 6:1 in Africa.
sorry guys Im still trying to figure out how you rolled a vehicle on such an easy track?
yep very straightforward track if you watch the video you will see that it was a combination of unfortunate circumstances and modern technology at play..... That's how most accidents happen, isn't it?
It's not a hard track but with a gradient of over 90% it's also an easy place to get into trouble if you make a wrong move.
Just a little bit of rolling backwards or slipping sideways is enough to cause a rollover.
Range roller
I meant that the rear wheel dropped into the rut and weight did the rest combined with the angle.
Agree value on a Land Rover ? Dangerous insurance policy as Land rovers are notorious for savage depreciation
For all those making the typical 'smart arse' comments about Landcruisers being better vehicles ... do a search on TH-cam for Landcruiser 'roll-overs'. (yeah .. I didn't think you would)
Here's a video of 'Roothy' in his newly built 'Milo 2' for you to 'laugh' at .. th-cam.com/video/fSUM23cDJb0/w-d-xo.html
Very different scenario in Roothy’s rollover pure and simple driver error. Marks rollover was a bit more complicated and likely was a combination of modern electronics and some driver error. But yes accidents can happen in any vehicle. In a more modern vehicle it pays to know how the different electronic functions behave in extrem situations.
Ly cola. Lie Cola nothing to do with licking anything
thanks for the clarification mate
I think this new generation "electronic brake and transmissioned"4x4 need a other kind of driving technics on such difficult trails.
Yes they do but Mark is aware of that and that’s was not really the issues in this case
The first mistakes
1st. He buy a Discovery??? Are u sure?
2nd. He is not sold the car ASAP.
3rd. He is too confidence 😁
I think this vid is possibly what happened - th-cam.com/video/GeYmDOzoibk/w-d-xo.html
No definitely not the vehicle did not roll on the track and it’s a very different scenario for instance engine running. The video you reference just shows driver error and wrong steering when reversing
thats why u dont take a grocerie getter bush
in all fairness, the Grocery "getter" did served weel for a few years beforehand including several VHC trips, two Simpson Desert Crossings, New England Tableland trips without ever having an issue.
you have never driven one. Ignorance is 'bliss' and, I'd say, a fair amount of 'jealousy' thrown in