I don’t understand what all the complaints are about the price. My glocks have aftermarket triggers, texture jobs on the grip, undercut trigger guards, and aftermarket sights. Basically, making them the price of this gun if not more. This gun already has all that done to it from the factory and 4 mags. The only complaint I have is the size. Same complaint I had about the HK VP9. Bigger and heavier gun than my Glock 19 and only holds 15 rounds. Great review, I will be getting one.
I agree. I just picked one up today and this thing is really well made. I prefer the bigger size compared to a glock 19 because it fits my hand better. People are always gonna nitpick because they are cheap. This gun is definitely worth the money imo. You buy a gen5 glock19 $500-550 add a good trigger $100-200 , upgrade your sights $100-150, modify your frame with an undercut and stippling $200. At this point you are already past the price of this gun. Plus this gun comes with a total of 4 high quality metal magazine not cheap plastic ones. Shit the recoil spring is from DPM systems and would cost you $120 to put in a Glock. You do all that to a Glock and you're over $1k spent.
I pre-ordered one back in early 2017. Cancelled in late 2017 due to continually missed deadlines for delivery. Bought one on a whim in December 2018. Was it worth the wait? Yes. Is it worth the price tag? Probably not. It's a great gun though, just expensive. They aren't competitive at this price...maybe at $700. I own just about every major striker fired compact/fullsize handgun made. I mod all of mine after shooting them stock. The *stock* Type B will run with modded Glocks, P320s, VP9s, P10s, PPQs, APXs (though that one is stock for me), XDs, XDMs, M&Ps, Steyr M9s (I'm sure I'm leaving some out). It will out run most of those easily (and by run, I'm talking accuracy and splits between shots, 100% reliability on 115gr ammo, etc.) and runs pretty even with the better ones in that group. The trigger is not the touted 2mm reset...mine's more like 4.5-5mm, but the return spring is so strong that it gets you back to the reset point really, really quickly (unlike the APX where you have to wait for the trigger to come back forward, for instance). The trigger is probably one of the best factory ones out there for a striker fired gun and had it been as promised on the reset (1-2mm), it would probably be worth the $850 price tag since custom triggers cost what they do. The mag baseplates are somewhat problematic if you have large hands....as the rear of the BP can pinch your palm when inserting a new mag if you're not careful. It should also have come with the originally promised Trijicon night sights at that price point. When the Type A comes out....at least 17 round mags will be available. If you want trigger work or 18 round extensions, Rain6 in Utah is the place to get them....as well as other mods like machining for RMRs and slide cuts, porting, etc. Warranty is (again) touted to be excellent. If used in a self defense shooting Archon (partnered with Salient) claims they'll give you a new gun since your's will be likely confiscated as "evidence"...and the warranty is like Glocks....lifetime to any owner. Lots more to add...but YT reviews are pretty limited.
We'll have to agree to disagree. My Glocks have a better trigger, came with factory night sights and only end up around $715 all in. The Type B is a good gun. Is it worth $850 to me?....as I said, if they'd have hit the 1-2mm reset, I would have said probably.
@@bigsean2473 well no doubt most any pistol if it's worth a crap will shoot more accurate than the shooter. So my point here is, since the barrel is stationary you don't have to worry about using a booster piston or a neilson device as some call it. Thanks for the comment though.
KS . All of your videos are always top notch . But I feel this is your best work . You took a different type of gun with a different type of internals and did a great job reviewing while educating us at the same time . Great job 👍 . Cool gun .
That grip reminds me of those cubes that math teachers used to use. 😂😂😂😂 Great review!!! I feel like they borrowed quite a few design elements from the P10C but just scaled them up. Not necessarily a bad thing, that low bore axis is insane though. Pretty unique design all around!
Not the most expensive polymer frame gun so thats not anything that bothered me when i purchased one. Trigger is about an 8 out of 10 for me which is more than i can say for glock or cz and i own both, but it isnt drastic. Hands down worth the money in my opinion, because i would switch out stock glock sights to a fiber optic set, and a trigger along with a steel guide rod which would amount to about $300 bucks anyways. But price is simply case by case. Some people look for cost effectiveness and some people save hard earned cash to splurge on guns due to it being a lifestyle and hobby. So price factor isnt my thing its just reliability. This gun hasnt malfunctioned on me once and shoots smooth, fast and accurate reliably so it takes a thumbs up from me.
Nice job on the video. It’s an interesting firearm to be sure- curious what it would take to penetrate the market- they are going after HK types with their price - and it is a good gun- but how do you get buzz about this?
How does a firearms company get hype built around the pistol to get major market share? I am just having a hard time getting excited about anything when everything is so good already
I picked one up last Monday but only have about 200 rounds. I think it shoots and feels very much like the P10C with more agressive texturing. It's nice and reminds me of a Hudson H9 I used to have because it's a little unconventional. I think the Hudson H9 had less muzzle rise and shoots softer, however it is heavier with more weight upfront and down low. Probably moot since Hudson is probably done. The Archon has a nice trigger (like the P10C), feels nice in hand and it's very accurate. It's probably really a $550 - $650 range gun but I think Archon is trying to recoup costs... and probably why they throw in 4 mags, carrying case, and the silver marker. ;). Oh, and the life time, transferable warranty. If your range has one for rent, I think it's worth a try. If you like to try different guns and $850 isn't going to break your bank, it's worth a buy. If budget is an issue or if you want to stick with something tried & true and budget friendly, there are other options. Try the P10C or P10F (which is a little larger and about the same weight, and more capacity).
The beavertail bumping into your knuckle is on purpose. The logic behind it is that when it hits the nerve in your hand it forces your hand to grip tighter thus better controlling the recoil. Whether or not it actually works is a bit controversial but nevertheless, the beavertail being like that was on purpose.
Seems like you could probably carefully file that beavertail corner down so it doesn't have so much bite. It's a neat gun, and I always appreciate when companies do things a bit differently. However, I think they've sadly priced themselves out of the majority of the market. While it may be "worth the price" for the "feel" to some people, there's nothing really about that gun that implies that it should cost more than $500. The materials, design, etc, are all "normal enough" for a polymer pistol that $800 just doesn't make a lot of sense. It just feels more to me like they got in the red while developing this thing over a much longer period of time than they expected to, and they're now trying to recoup some of that money (in arguably the wrong way).
Good call and I actually did carefully dremmel the edge of the beavertail which solved the issue. It’s Uber comfortable now. As for price, I do believe it to be worth the cost and the build quality is top shelf. Thank you and cheers!
Good points. I really don't see the problem arising very often with the magazine release being able to be changed to a left-handed shooter in that manner. It is very easy to place your spare magazines in a specific direction in which you will reload consistently and be able to do it blindfolded, so there are no real issues in my opinion. But I think it's a fantastic pistol and a good video. On a personal note I think you have very good way of presenting your opinions and products. The information you share and opinions you present are substantiated in common sense in fact, also with a pleasant disposition, well done n
I worry about getting parts if ever need not worth that kind of money. Plus the old guns you can not get parts I know I had an old one stay away there so many great guns that are a lot cheaper if you have money to burn cool. If you do buy a lot of mags and recoil springs if that gun in future does not come into country and only have a few mags no good look at Bren ten etc try to find mags no good in my opinion only.
Aside from the issues you had with the H9, how would you compare the shooting experience between the H9 and this? That would make an awesome "if i could only have one" video.
Very good question! It’s hard to forget the H9 experience, but even without that, the trigger on the Archon is vastly better. That alone is worth the price of admission and I think I’d opt for it over the H9. Thank you and cheers!
I’ve wanted this gun since it was made by Arsenal because it was a Russian design, and if they get one thing right it’s firearms. The overall look is so unique, and something to help mitigate recoil, besides it’s low bore axis and stationary barrel, it almost has full length rails. Something interesting is that you can use Glock sights on the Type B, and an IWB holster is available: www.rain6.com/type-b-sgusa-iwb-mini if concealed carry was your intent......Hell I’d be tempted to! Awesome review as always KS! Hey have you seen Mossberg made a handgun finally? It’s a subcompact, but I just saw it a day or two ago and was a little surprised by it. Have a great weekend 👍🏽😁
I asked my magic 8-Ball if I should buy a Type B and it said “Outlook Good!” I’ll take that as a sign LOL The review I saw on the Mossberg MC1sc said after 5,000 ends they had zero malfunctions! Sounds interesting as competition for Glock 43 and the S&W Shield. Sorry I went off topic there......
Love All your Content KS ! Thanks for All your Videos and Reviews . But to me , that is one Crazy and Weird looking Handgun !!! It looks like some Chinese special that I could buy on GearBest.com 😂😂.
I can't speak to how it shoots but all that beautiful design work they did is ruined by the mag gap!!!! That gap!!!!! Why??????? What a waist... shame on the engenders.
I don't recall the rest of the world electing you as their spokesperson. Other's seem to be fine with how the video was arranged. Is the gun just too expensive for you and you're mad about it? I can't help that.
Whatever ! Do you go looking for a Million dollar house with a $150K budget, the minute we see $800. some of us would have moved on and not wasted another second, especially once we saw the mag release fall on the table. Price should be disclosed upfront.
I put the stats and features where I find it most relevant, whether you like it or not. If you prefer for prices to be announced up front, create a channel and do your own videos. Then, you’ll have people telling you that whatever you’re doing doesn’t suit their needs.
Pre-opening credits I’m guessing the answer is “no”. Odd size choice, somewhere between full size and G19? Interesting recoil/cycling/slide design and very nice that four mags are included but $850? If it was G19 sized and $650 (and one still got four mags with it) it would sell like hot cakes, I think. That would have been a great way to introduce the brand. As it stands I can’t see what role it plays. Duty, maybe, if it held 17 rounds. I guess, like the Hudson H9, it’s just for fun?
I agree that the size is somewhere in the middle. I kind of like that, lol. Truly I think this is worth the 850. It’s well built and comes with all the necessary gear. Yes, I think this falls in the fun category. We need more of those! Thank you and cheers brother!
Visually seems pretty interesting, I definately was considering one but lost interest with all the delays and stories of so many prepaid orders that have not been fulfilled as of yet. Other than that I like it but cant justify the price. GOOD REVIEW AS ALWAYS KS.👍
I know what you’re saying about what I call knuckle knock. My Ruger American Compact has a beaver tail that does the same thing. Gets annoying during an extended trip to the range.
That beaver tail destroys the looks and appears to look like it was an after thought. Bit wide in the rear. Not fond of recoil springs that aren't captured in the front. The recoil system reminds me of old school cheap auto loading pistols like a Raven .25 a.c.p. used only difference is take down using the locking block and recoil spring below the barrel not on the barrel Time will tell where this goes. Not impressed.........
That's definitely a pistol for appendix carry. 😆 If you were keeping it, I'd say it looks like there's plenty of opportunity to shave down the side of the beaver tail & sculpt it to your liking. Nice review!
Great review, thanks! Take a standard compact size polymer pistol- pick up an extra mag or two, upgrade the sites, upgrade the trigger, get work done on the grip, add a better magwell, modify so you have less recoil - wonder how much total $$$ you would be in.....
Excellent video, I haven’t watched any gun videos for many months and you are improving very well. I still don’t have my type B which pisses me off but I have the salient version of the strike one which I very thoroughly enjoy
Good review...interesting slide. Makes some since keeping the barrel level and moving straight forward and back. Should be reliable and another plus is it should by design have less cosmetic exterior barrel ware. Could there be something better than the John Browning tilted barrel action? Copycats of this slide coming? Time will tell.
I am digging the depth of slide serrations. Very grippy. The price might make some opt for what they consider a more cost-effective choice, but bear in mind, this thing is comparable to an upgraded strike one. Recoil spring - 90 euros, the sights will require slide machining with a licenced gunsmith and another 100 euros at the very least, the trigger package is worth 250 euros. I did the math and darted to the gunstore.
Thanks for the review KS! -love my archon b -I didn't wait for the gun, knew these were in the works but some kind of corporate hassle going on; didn't intentionally look for these either, one of my local shops had one on hand, last of a batch of three and I scored (pure luck) -debated the price but enough features (I hear the locking system is expensive to machine also) plus I held it, disassembled... And had to bring it home -the notch/fin supposedly activates a tendon to make you grip tighter..... -I actually do notice it shoots flatter... Didn't think I would **Full disclosure, saw honest outlaw's issues and put this out of mind, but then saw kotaboy's ran well - big thank you's to both of them!
Mi! That’s awesome that you got one and it’s running well for you. I agree that Honest’s video was eye opening but glad his and Kota’s are running well now. Thank you and cheers!
It looks like a Gen 2 Spectre 80% lower with a Salient Arms slide. But this thing is too wide and take down is cumbersome. Guide-rod ass. looks like it wont last 2K rounds. Also the mag insert issue, this gun is simply not ready for the streets. Hope their working on a Mod 2 of this thing, cuz I see them selling a handful of these especially at $849.99
I think it’s a bit too early to judge how many rounds it will last. The build quality is excellent however. I recommend giving one a try if you can. You might change your mind. Thank you and cheers!
@@87demora Absolutely not, the only error in my ways is not applying myself for more funds to become a super lawyer. Then I'd have plenty of spare thousands to drop on a Plastic Thousand Dollar gun. Now what I will do is waste my time seeing if ranges around here (Kansas City) has one to rent. [Highly doubt]
Great review KS. I really love my type b, this gun needs zero upgrades. If you figure that into the price(especially trigger and slide work) this is not as expensive as it seems. Its definitely different and imo the crowded polymer striker fired market needs a gun like this. I also have a strike one and it's not as well made as the type b, the polymer and slide leave something to be desired on the strike one. Great shooting gun like the type b and I enjoy shooting them far more than other polymer guns.
Thank you Steve! I agree, no upgrades needed at all. There’s been a lot of grief about the price but I think it’s totally worth it. I need to try the Strike One at some point. Interesting to hear about the differences in build quality! Cheers brother!
My thing is why the fin in the beavertail undercut? Seems to me if that fin weren't there you would get a deeper more forward grip on the pistol similar to that of the Steyr A series pistols. As deep as it is cut it would probably be even better than the Steyr and might eliminate some of the beavertail bite you feel in the knuckle of your thumb by moving the beavertail back over the web of the thumb area more. I like the design of the Archon and would love the opportunity to run a couple hundred rounds down range with one but unfortunately there are no rental ranges in my area that provide potential buyers any such experience and it is far too pricy to purchase and then find that it isn't the pistol for you. It is definitely a unique design that seems to bring a very forward thought to function and control. I have a theory about the forward dip in the slide and it is sticking with functionality in its formfactor; in that it aims in reducing reflected glare at the front sight that is often experienced with pistols that have a longer sight picture. I could be dead wrong but in my mind that would be why I would have incorporated such a design feature; if it were to reduce forward weight they could have simply run a window cut on the top like is seen on many of the modified Glock slides.
I agree that the fin looks unusual, but when you hold it, it melts away and feels great. It’s a bummer there aren’t more rental ranges for you! Interesting point about the glare reduction in the slide. I hadn’t thought of that and you may be right. Thank you and cheers brother!
I have a feeling its structural and maybe ergonomics You'd have to take the frame apart to see what's inside. If nothing is there internally maybe yu could shave it down I suppose if it really bothered you. Maybe they want your hand to be back slightly further than if it wasnt there. Ergonomics.
@@KSGunGuy01 NO need. You video was the last straw. I just bought one about an hour ago. When my wife finds out i'll blame you... keep up the good work!
Actually, MSRP stands for manufacturers suggested retail price. Individual stores set their own prices based upon how much they pay their distributors for them. Distributors all pay different amounts to the manufacturers based upon volume (usually). For instance, a distributor that is a high volume buyer may pay $380 for a Glock 19 gen 5 MOS. They will charge let's say $480 to the local gun store. The local gun store might list it for $620 and sell it for $580 (if you can talk them down) even though the actual MSRP might be $699. These numbers are merely an example, but hopefully that helps.
I've wanted to get one of these, and the original Strike One as well. So far, I've never even held either one. These are kind of like finding a dwarf unicorn named Thor here in Oklahoma. I enjoyed your take on this one, and that whole pistol looks really cool to me. Have a great weekend brother!
Thank you for the hype-free review!
My pleasure brother! Thank you and cheers!
I don’t understand what all the complaints are about the price. My glocks have aftermarket triggers, texture jobs on the grip, undercut trigger guards, and aftermarket sights. Basically, making them the price of this gun if not more. This gun already has all that done to it from the factory and 4 mags. The only complaint I have is the size. Same complaint I had about the HK VP9. Bigger and heavier gun than my Glock 19 and only holds 15 rounds. Great review, I will be getting one.
Well said on the cost and I agree! As for size, it’s bigger than some but carryable if you want it to be. Thank you and cheers!
Thank you
Get it you won't regret it
I agree. I just picked one up today and this thing is really well made. I prefer the bigger size compared to a glock 19 because it fits my hand better.
People are always gonna nitpick because they are cheap. This gun is definitely worth the money imo. You buy a gen5 glock19 $500-550 add a good trigger $100-200 , upgrade your sights $100-150, modify your frame with an undercut and stippling $200. At this point you are already past the price of this gun. Plus this gun comes with a total of 4 high quality metal magazine not cheap plastic ones. Shit the recoil spring is from DPM systems and would cost you $120 to put in a Glock. You do all that to a Glock and you're over $1k spent.
HK VP9 17 round now.
It doesn't have over 800 dollars worth of cool to me, especially being large enough for 18 rounds. Just sayin
Kevin Roberts Yeah, G19 size (w/15 rounds) and $650 MSRP might have piqued my interest.
It’s worth a shoot Kevin. You might just be surprised! Thank you and cheers brother!
@@KSGunGuy01 I'll take the pen though!
I’ll send it your way!
Considering all the money people dish out for custom Glock enhancement that you dont need on this. $850 makes sense.
Dude love the intro "why" lol
Thank you! Cheers!
600$ I’m all in ,that price it’s a no
Great look at the pistol, thanks. It's been so long since I inquired about one that I don't even care anymore. :)
Haha! Yeah, they didn’t do themselves any favors with all the delays. It’s worth it though brother. Thank you and cheers!
You may wanna rethink that
I'll be interested in how it holds up long term with that different style locking block. Great review as usual
It will be a long term study for sure D! Thank you and cheers brother!
I pre-ordered one back in early 2017. Cancelled in late 2017 due to continually missed deadlines for delivery. Bought one on a whim in December 2018. Was it worth the wait? Yes. Is it worth the price tag? Probably not. It's a great gun though, just expensive. They aren't competitive at this price...maybe at $700. I own just about every major striker fired compact/fullsize handgun made. I mod all of mine after shooting them stock. The *stock* Type B will run with modded Glocks, P320s, VP9s, P10s, PPQs, APXs (though that one is stock for me), XDs, XDMs, M&Ps, Steyr M9s (I'm sure I'm leaving some out). It will out run most of those easily (and by run, I'm talking accuracy and splits between shots, 100% reliability on 115gr ammo, etc.) and runs pretty even with the better ones in that group. The trigger is not the touted 2mm reset...mine's more like 4.5-5mm, but the return spring is so strong that it gets you back to the reset point really, really quickly (unlike the APX where you have to wait for the trigger to come back forward, for instance). The trigger is probably one of the best factory ones out there for a striker fired gun and had it been as promised on the reset (1-2mm), it would probably be worth the $850 price tag since custom triggers cost what they do. The mag baseplates are somewhat problematic if you have large hands....as the rear of the BP can pinch your palm when inserting a new mag if you're not careful. It should also have come with the originally promised Trijicon night sights at that price point. When the Type A comes out....at least 17 round mags will be available. If you want trigger work or 18 round extensions, Rain6 in Utah is the place to get them....as well as other mods like machining for RMRs and slide cuts, porting, etc. Warranty is (again) touted to be excellent. If used in a self defense shooting Archon (partnered with Salient) claims they'll give you a new gun since your's will be likely confiscated as "evidence"...and the warranty is like Glocks....lifetime to any owner. Lots more to add...but YT reviews are pretty limited.
Right on. Thank you and cheers!
100% worth it. People dismissing it have no idea the quality. It's worth every penny. A Glock brought to these specs would be 1200. Easily
We'll have to agree to disagree. My Glocks have a better trigger, came with factory night sights and only end up around $715 all in. The Type B is a good gun. Is it worth $850 to me?....as I said, if they'd have hit the 1-2mm reset, I would have said probably.
Out of curiosity, is your Glock trigger stock?
No....Overwatch Precision and Ghost Pro 3.3.....Total travel is 1/4", reset is 3/32".
I'd think it would definitely increase accuracy. More important it would be a natural for a suppressor.
Well said brother! Chers!
" More important it would be a natural for a suppressor." hmm i think the accuracy is more important than any thing suppressor related
@@bigsean2473 well no doubt most any pistol if it's worth a crap will shoot more accurate than the shooter. So my point here is, since the barrel is stationary you don't have to worry about using a booster piston or a neilson device as some call it. Thanks for the comment though.
KS . All of your videos are always top notch . But I feel this is your best work . You took a different type of gun with a different type of internals and did a great job reviewing while educating us at the same time . Great job 👍 . Cool gun .
Thank you Dave! It’s been a really fun gun to work with for sure brother. Cheers!
That grip reminds me of those cubes that math teachers used to use. 😂😂😂😂
Great review!!! I feel like they borrowed quite a few design elements from the P10C but just scaled them up. Not necessarily a bad thing, that low bore axis is insane though. Pretty unique design all around!
Thank you! Yes, there are definitely some similarities with the P10. Cheers!
Nice Review, I was interested in this one at 1st but with the long wait, it faded for me. TFS Carry On
I totally understand! Thank you and cheers brother!
The pen is for marking your mags, or autographs when you win your match!
Not the most expensive polymer frame gun so thats not anything that bothered me when i purchased one.
Trigger is about an 8 out of 10 for me which is more than i can say for glock or cz and i own both, but it isnt drastic.
Hands down worth the money in my opinion, because i would switch out stock glock sights to a fiber optic set, and a trigger along with a steel guide rod which would amount to about $300 bucks anyways. But price is simply case by case. Some people look for cost effectiveness and some people save hard earned cash to splurge on guns due to it being a lifestyle and hobby. So price factor isnt my thing its just reliability. This gun hasnt malfunctioned on me once and shoots smooth, fast and accurate reliably so it takes a thumbs up from me.
Well said and I agree! Thank you and cheers!
I like it, but actually have never heard of this firearm company and I am not new at weapons.....go fish......nice video.
Great Reveiw Buddy! Thanks for sharing as always, interesting Firearm for sure.
My pleasure! Thank you and cheers!
Nice job on the video. It’s an interesting firearm to be sure- curious what it would take to penetrate the market- they are going after HK types with their price - and it is a good gun- but how do you get buzz about this?
Thank you! Definitely worth looking at. Not sure what you mean about buzz. Cheers brother!
How does a firearms company get hype built around the pistol to get major market share? I am just having a hard time getting excited about anything when everything is so good already
I picked one up last Monday but only have about 200 rounds. I think it shoots and feels very much like the P10C with more agressive texturing. It's nice and reminds me of a Hudson H9 I used to have because it's a little unconventional. I think the Hudson H9 had less muzzle rise and shoots softer, however it is heavier with more weight upfront and down low. Probably moot since Hudson is probably done.
The Archon has a nice trigger (like the P10C), feels nice in hand and it's very accurate. It's probably really a $550 - $650 range gun but I think Archon is trying to recoup costs... and probably why they throw in 4 mags, carrying case, and the silver marker. ;). Oh, and the life time, transferable warranty.
If your range has one for rent, I think it's worth a try. If you like to try different guns and $850 isn't going to break your bank, it's worth a buy. If budget is an issue or if you want to stick with something tried & true and budget friendly, there are other options. Try the P10C or P10F (which is a little larger and about the same weight, and more capacity).
I do feel the sights are unnecessarily tall. But, it's a standard Glock sight to it's an easy change.
Very well said! Too bad about Hudson though. Thank you and cheers!
The beavertail bumping into your knuckle is on purpose. The logic behind it is that when it hits the nerve in your hand it forces your hand to grip tighter thus better controlling the recoil. Whether or not it actually works is a bit controversial but nevertheless, the beavertail being like that was on purpose.
Love the low bore axis but the pistol has a lot to be desired. Very heavy for a polymer frame pistol.
Great review, KS!
I agree about the weight but it’s a trade off for a sweet shooter. Not a carry gun in my opinion though. Thank you and cheers brother!
it no heavier than a sig 2022 cz p07 beretta apx
KS, the B is my carry right now at this moment, out with my wife... I usually carry double stacks
No issues...
That’s awesome Mi! I absolutely love the Type B. Thank you and cheers brother!
Their website denotes nitride finish... But a little pricey, but I'm still interested.
The price would and will definitely keep me away from it. Maybe if it was lower I might.
To me, it’s well worth it and street price is lower. Thank you and cheers!
Great video as always, very informative... She absolutely gorgeous, cant wait to get my hands on one and see how it shoots
Thank you very much Chuy! I think you’ll really like it. Cheers!
Best pistol I’ve ever owned. Get one.
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
If you load your mag backwards you don’t need a handdgun
Seems like you could probably carefully file that beavertail corner down so it doesn't have so much bite.
It's a neat gun, and I always appreciate when companies do things a bit differently. However, I think they've sadly priced themselves out of the majority of the market. While it may be "worth the price" for the "feel" to some people, there's nothing really about that gun that implies that it should cost more than $500. The materials, design, etc, are all "normal enough" for a polymer pistol that $800 just doesn't make a lot of sense.
It just feels more to me like they got in the red while developing this thing over a much longer period of time than they expected to, and they're now trying to recoup some of that money (in arguably the wrong way).
Good call and I actually did carefully dremmel the edge of the beavertail which solved the issue. It’s Uber comfortable now. As for price, I do believe it to be worth the cost and the build quality is top shelf. Thank you and cheers!
It looks like that firearm is Glock having sex with an XD and having a baby...I have both so I'll pass...
Fair enough! Thank you and cheers!
I'm not a fan. For a gun that size 15 rounds is a joke. I'll stick to my TP9SFx as a range toy for now.
To me the extra 2 rounds makes very little difference but to each his own. The SFX is an awesome gun indeed. Thank you and cheers!
It's a funny looking gun, some kinda Alien Blaster lol, it's nice and all but way over priced!!!
wasn't this on forgotten weapons the other day? 🤣👆
The bump is designed to put pressure on your tendon to help you grip firmer. The recoil pushes the gun into your hand
True, though the effect is marginal at best. Thank you and cheers!
What distance were you shooting at?
This should be mentioned in every gun review.
Thanks in advance for your answer.
It's typically 7 yards. Thank you and cheers!
I love the way it looks! It seems to shoot flat, too. I need to get one in my hand.
I definitely recommend trying one out! Thank you and cheers!
What size diameter is the green fiber optic? I prefer green as well and I will like to change it. Thanks
I’m not sure of the size. You may need to contact Archon to get that. Thank you and cheers!
Good points. I really don't see the problem arising very often with the magazine release being able to be changed to a left-handed shooter in that manner. It is very easy to place your spare magazines in a specific direction in which you will reload consistently and be able to do it blindfolded, so there are no real issues in my opinion. But I think it's a fantastic pistol and a good video. On a personal note I think you have very good way of presenting your opinions and products. The information you share and opinions you present are substantiated in common sense in fact, also with a pleasant disposition, well done n
Looks like the new styer
I worry about getting parts if ever need not worth that kind of money. Plus the old guns you can not get parts I know I had an old one stay away there so many great guns that are a lot cheaper if you have money to burn cool. If you do buy a lot of mags and recoil springs if that gun in future does not come into country and only have a few mags no good look at Bren ten etc try to find mags no good in my opinion only.
The Archon/Arsenal brand has been around for years. I think the parts availability will be fine. Thank you and cheers!
Rain 6 has all parts and they do all work on the pistol as well.
Danger Close Armament makes these even sexier. I wanted one when first saw the Strike One would like to pick up.I something different
Love my Archon. Had an optic cut and stipple. My EDC. Love it. Going to buy a second one
Pen is for the mags
Name change has nothing to do with the international relationship of Arsenal.
Maybe... Thank you and cheers!
Aside from the issues you had with the H9, how would you compare the shooting experience between the H9 and this? That would make an awesome "if i could only have one" video.
Very good question! It’s hard to forget the H9 experience, but even without that, the trigger on the Archon is vastly better. That alone is worth the price of admission and I think I’d opt for it over the H9. Thank you and cheers!
Wish they made it a bit smaller-really just a duty gun. Carrying daily wouldn’t work for me living in FL :-(
I totally understand that. Maybe they will come out with a subcompact! Thank you and cheers!
Is it better than a ppq trigger
If nothing else, it's very close. Thank you and cheers!
I like it better. Now that Canik Elite Combat trigger is the best hands down.
I’ve wanted this gun since it was made by Arsenal because it was a Russian design, and if they get one thing right it’s firearms. The overall look is so unique, and something to help mitigate recoil, besides it’s low bore axis and stationary barrel, it almost has full length rails. Something interesting is that you can use Glock sights on the Type B, and an IWB holster is available: www.rain6.com/type-b-sgusa-iwb-mini if concealed carry was your intent......Hell I’d be tempted to! Awesome review as always KS! Hey have you seen Mossberg made a handgun finally? It’s a subcompact, but I just saw it a day or two ago and was a little surprised by it. Have a great weekend 👍🏽😁
Well said Kratos! They really did well with this. I saw the Mossberg and it looks intriguing for sure. Thank you and cheers brother!
I asked my magic 8-Ball if I should buy a Type B and it said “Outlook Good!” I’ll take that as a sign LOL The review I saw on the Mossberg MC1sc said after 5,000 ends they had zero malfunctions! Sounds interesting as competition for Glock 43 and the S&W Shield. Sorry I went off topic there......
Sweet! The Magic 8 ball knows all.
They should name the next model the Lucky Strike and sell it with shamrock stipled grips. Because if you can do something you probably should.
Love All your Content KS ! Thanks for All your Videos and Reviews . But to me , that is one Crazy and Weird looking Handgun !!! It looks like some Chinese special that I could buy on GearBest.com 😂😂.
Thank you Steven! It’s definitely different but that’s the appeal for me. I love companies that strike out on their own with design. Cheers brother!
I can't speak to how it shoots but all that beautiful design work they did is ruined by the mag gap!!!! That gap!!!!! Why??????? What a waist... shame on the engenders.
Yeah, the gap is silly but it’s not as pronounced as the gen 5 Glocks at least. Thank you and cheers!
It's really not that serious
If you told us price up front you would have saved us 19 mins of wasted time
I don't recall the rest of the world electing you as their spokesperson. Other's seem to be fine with how the video was arranged. Is the gun just too expensive for you and you're mad about it? I can't help that.
Whatever ! Do you go looking for a Million dollar house with a $150K budget, the minute we see $800. some of us would have moved on and not wasted another second, especially once we saw the mag release fall on the table. Price should be disclosed upfront.
I put the stats and features where I find it most relevant, whether you like it or not. If you prefer for prices to be announced up front, create a channel and do your own videos. Then, you’ll have people telling you that whatever you’re doing doesn’t suit their needs.
Pre-opening credits I’m guessing the answer is “no”. Odd size choice, somewhere between full size and G19? Interesting recoil/cycling/slide design and very nice that four mags are included but $850? If it was G19 sized and $650 (and one still got four mags with it) it would sell like hot cakes, I think. That would have been a great way to introduce the brand. As it stands I can’t see what role it plays. Duty, maybe, if it held 17 rounds. I guess, like the Hudson H9, it’s just for fun?
I agree that the size is somewhere in the middle. I kind of like that, lol. Truly I think this is worth the 850. It’s well built and comes with all the necessary gear. Yes, I think this falls in the fun category. We need more of those! Thank you and cheers brother!
“I gripped it as high as I could”
Quit smoking mids brah, and you’ll get higher
What’s a brah? Lol
I heard they have light primer strike issues
I haven’t had any so far. Thank you and cheers!
Visually seems pretty interesting, I definately was considering one but lost interest with all the delays and stories of so many prepaid orders that have not been fulfilled as of yet. Other than that I like it but cant justify the price. GOOD REVIEW AS ALWAYS KS.👍
I agree that delays really hurt this gun. It’s unfortunate too because it’s such a great shooter. Thank you and cheers brother!
I have a complete Arsenal Firearms fanboy items. A strike one in the LRC-2 kit. And a Strike One Speed. I definitely want this
That’s awesome! Thank you and cheers!
I know what you’re saying about what I call knuckle knock. My Ruger American Compact has a beaver tail that does the same thing. Gets annoying during an extended trip to the range.
Well said! Thank you and cheers!
That beaver tail destroys the looks and appears to look like it was an after thought. Bit wide in the rear. Not fond of recoil springs that aren't captured in the front. The recoil system reminds me of old school cheap auto loading pistols like a Raven .25 a.c.p. used only difference is take down using the locking block and recoil spring below the barrel not on the barrel Time will tell where this goes. Not impressed.........
It’s a different design for sure C. I like it though. Something unusual is always appreciated. Thank you and cheers brother!
Good video gracias
Thank you very much! Cheers!
That's definitely a pistol for appendix carry. 😆
If you were keeping it, I'd say it looks like there's plenty of opportunity to shave down the side of the beaver tail & sculpt it to your liking. Nice review!
I was thinking ankle carry! I think it’s a great idea to do some sculpting and that may end up happening. Thank you and cheers Frank!
Great review, thanks! Take a standard compact size polymer pistol- pick up an extra mag or two, upgrade the sites, upgrade the trigger, get work done on the grip, add a better magwell, modify so you have less recoil - wonder how much total $$$ you would be in.....
Very good point! I think the Archon really has it all right out of the box. Thank you and cheers Sam!
Ehh I think the new Glock 17 and 19 gen 5 MOS models have a lot more to offer for less money
They are great guns indeed. Thank you and cheers!
How does that trigger feel in comparison to the Canik/salient?
Great question! The Canik is lighter with a shorter reset. Both are great but the nod goes to the Canik. Thank you and cheers brother!
Excellent video, I haven’t watched any gun videos for many months and you are improving very well. I still don’t have my type B which pisses me off but I have the salient version of the strike one which I very thoroughly enjoy
Thank you Trucker! I hope you get yours soon brother. They are awesome and I bet the Salient model is sweet. Cheers!
The metal on the locking block is pretty thin in some spots. Maybe its a low stress area. I hope
Different strokes for different folks. I think I’ll pass on one. To me me, it looks like a pre- production prototype.
If you can borrow or rent one, I recommend giving it a try. It's definitely not a prototype. Thank you and cheers!
Good review...interesting slide. Makes some since keeping the barrel level and moving straight forward and back. Should be reliable and another plus is it should by design have less cosmetic exterior barrel ware.
Could there be something better than the John Browning tilted barrel action? Copycats of this slide coming? Time will tell.
Thank you Randy! Interesting point about others doing this type of design. We shall see. Cheers brother!
Is it a glock? Anyone with half a brain could have seen that with all the ergos and design the LAST thing this would be is a glock
Definitely not a Glock indeed Johnny! Thank you and cheers brother!
Great intro. It’s an interesting design for sure. Would be an interesting comparison with the CZ Phantom.
Thanks InSight! I agree that it would be fun to compare to the Phantom. Cheers brother!
Why dose everyone compare the archon to the phantom. Mechanically the bore axis can't be lower then the archon
Did you swap that front sight? Mine came with a red front fiber.
I think mentioned it in the review but maybe I forgot, lol. I always swap red for green. Thank you and cheers!
Original comment was fake news, sorry!
It's to mark the bottom of the mags.
@@america2a657 You are correct. I am retarded, just found out it's a white marker.
Lol
So for me the real question is. How does it compare to your Steyrs?? I'm a Steyr fan boy by the way!!
Great question. I’ll need to do some side by sides but the Archon is Uber flat. Thank you and cheers!
I'll pass cause I'm a Walther P99 fan boy !!!!
Right on! Thank you and cheers Jeffrey!
This was the review that broke my wallet... I just bought one. Found it on armslist for $825
Right on! I think you’ll love it. Thank you and cheers!
Aluminum is Metal and the pen is to mark off shots on targets. That thing is here today and gone tomorrow. As always great review! 😉
Very true CCC. I got a laught out of the pen though. Very unusual to see out of the box. This one is a keeper though. Thank you and cheers brother!
@@KSGunGuy01 I was just poking fun man. Your videos are top notch!
The pen is for marking the bottom of the mags (did you look at them?)
Its definitely a very modern good looking gun. Looks more like art than a weapon. Some how it reminds me of a VP9 mixed with P10c.
An interesting mix! Thank you and cheers!
I am digging the depth of slide serrations. Very grippy. The price might make some opt for what they consider a more cost-effective choice, but bear in mind, this thing is comparable to an upgraded strike one. Recoil spring - 90 euros, the sights will require slide machining with a licenced gunsmith and another 100 euros at the very least, the trigger package is worth 250 euros. I did the math and darted to the gunstore.
I wonder if they're using the DPM guide rod. They look very similar.
It’s very possible Q! Thank you and cheers brother!
Yeah it's a dpm guide rod brotha.
Thanks for the video. Great information your the man KS. Keep up the good work.
My pleasure and thank you as well! Cheers Cornell!
How's the recoil compared to the p10c
It's almost non-existent with the Archon. Thank you and cheers Paul!
Not worth $800
It’s worth even more. Thank you and cheers!
@@KSGunGuy01 I like the look of that gun wish we could have gun ranges here were you can go in and shoot a gun without owning them. Andy England 🇬🇧
Interesting internally. I love the checkering.
Thanks Keanon! It’s been a ton of fun. Cheers brother!
Thanks for the review KS!
-love my archon b
-I didn't wait for the gun, knew these were in the works but some kind of corporate hassle going on; didn't intentionally look for these either, one of my local shops had one on hand, last of a batch of three and I scored (pure luck)
-debated the price but enough features (I hear the locking system is expensive to machine also) plus I held it, disassembled... And had to bring it home
-the notch/fin supposedly activates a tendon to make you grip tighter.....
-I actually do notice it shoots flatter... Didn't think I would
**Full disclosure, saw honest outlaw's issues and put this out of mind, but then saw kotaboy's ran well - big thank you's to both of them!
PS- I usually try not to pay more than $450 for a pistol and I wait for price to come down... I broke my rules on this one....
Mi! That’s awesome that you got one and it’s running well for you. I agree that Honest’s video was eye opening but glad his and Kota’s are running well now. Thank you and cheers!
It looks like a Gen 2 Spectre 80% lower with a Salient Arms slide. But this thing is too wide and take down is cumbersome. Guide-rod ass. looks like it wont last 2K rounds. Also the mag insert issue, this gun is simply not ready for the streets. Hope their working on a Mod 2 of this thing, cuz I see them selling a handful of these especially at $849.99
I think it’s a bit too early to judge how many rounds it will last. The build quality is excellent however. I recommend giving one a try if you can. You might change your mind. Thank you and cheers!
Just go shoot the gun, the gun' s performance show you the error of your ways.
@@87demora Absolutely not, the only error in my ways is not applying myself for more funds to become a super lawyer. Then I'd have plenty of spare thousands to drop on a Plastic Thousand Dollar gun. Now what I will do is waste my time seeing if ranges around here (Kansas City) has one to rent. [Highly doubt]
It’s less than 1000. Centerfire has them to buy, by the way.
Nice looking pistol
Thank you Trees! Cheers brother!
I wonder if regular Stryke one slide would fit on that frame
Hey bald I just tried and it does fit and dry fires the striker. I will take them to the range next week and try it out.
Looks like Steve got you taken care of! Thank you and cheers Bald!
Great review KS. I really love my type b, this gun needs zero upgrades. If you figure that into the price(especially trigger and slide work) this is not as expensive as it seems. Its definitely different and imo the crowded polymer striker fired market needs a gun like this. I also have a strike one and it's not as well made as the type b, the polymer and slide leave something to be desired on the strike one. Great shooting gun like the type b and I enjoy shooting them far more than other polymer guns.
Thank you Steve! I agree, no upgrades needed at all. There’s been a lot of grief about the price but I think it’s totally worth it. I need to try the Strike One at some point. Interesting to hear about the differences in build quality! Cheers brother!
@@KSGunGuy01 love the strike one but the build quality of the tybe b is top notch.
What’s the retail price going on these?
850 I believe
Any idea if this fits in the box for IDPA CCP?
Good question but I’m not sure. Thank you and cheers!
Great review and video! your content is top notch! 👍
Thank you very much! Cheers brother!
My thing is why the fin in the beavertail undercut? Seems to me if that fin weren't there you would get a deeper more forward grip on the pistol similar to that of the Steyr A series pistols. As deep as it is cut it would probably be even better than the Steyr and might eliminate some of the beavertail bite you feel in the knuckle of your thumb by moving the beavertail back over the web of the thumb area more.
I like the design of the Archon and would love the opportunity to run a couple hundred rounds down range with one but unfortunately there are no rental ranges in my area that provide potential buyers any such experience and it is far too pricy to purchase and then find that it isn't the pistol for you.
It is definitely a unique design that seems to bring a very forward thought to function and control. I have a theory about the forward dip in the slide and it is sticking with functionality in its formfactor; in that it aims in reducing reflected glare at the front sight that is often experienced with pistols that have a longer sight picture. I could be dead wrong but in my mind that would be why I would have incorporated such a design feature; if it were to reduce forward weight they could have simply run a window cut on the top like is seen on many of the modified Glock slides.
I agree that the fin looks unusual, but when you hold it, it melts away and feels great. It’s a bummer there aren’t more rental ranges for you! Interesting point about the glare reduction in the slide. I hadn’t thought of that and you may be right. Thank you and cheers brother!
@@KSGunGuy01 KS, maybe the fin is there to keep the pistol from slipping left or right in your grip during recoil?
I have a feeling its structural and maybe ergonomics You'd have to take the frame apart to see what's inside. If nothing is there internally maybe yu could shave it down I suppose if it really bothered you. Maybe they want your hand to be back slightly further than if it wasnt there. Ergonomics.
Not all polymer guns are created equal.... Great review, please keep us posted. Thanks
I agree! I’ll definitely keep you posted. Thank you and cheers!
@@KSGunGuy01 NO need. You video was the last straw. I just bought one about an hour ago. When my wife finds out i'll blame you... keep up the good work!
Haha! I’ll gladly take the blame
Awesome review and gun
Thank you very much! Cheers!
Price is high for polymer
Agreed that it’s pricey but I think it’s worth it. Thank you and cheers!
Great review, just picked mines up today. Only waited a week to receive mines. Just gotta find the right ffl.
Thank you! Congrats on the purchase. Cheers!
Mind sharing what you paid for it?
The price is set by manufacturer everyone pays the same.
Actually, MSRP stands for manufacturers suggested retail price. Individual stores set their own prices based upon how much they pay their distributors for them. Distributors all pay different amounts to the manufacturers based upon volume (usually). For instance, a distributor that is a high volume buyer may pay $380 for a Glock 19 gen 5 MOS. They will charge let's say $480 to the local gun store. The local gun store might list it for $620 and sell it for $580 (if you can talk them down) even though the actual MSRP might be $699. These numbers are merely an example, but hopefully that helps.
you can tell its a Very high quality built firearm they took no shortcuts
Well said Taz! Definitely well built. Thank you and cheers brother!
welcome I definitely like it @@KSGunGuy01
Interesting, thanks for the rrview.
My pleasure and thank you! Cheers!
Notification squad
Thanks brother! Cheers!
I've wanted to get one of these, and the original Strike One as well. So far, I've never even held either one. These are kind of like finding a dwarf unicorn named Thor here in Oklahoma. I enjoyed your take on this one, and that whole pistol looks really cool to me. Have a great weekend brother!
Ironically.. The original importer of the Strike One was located in OKC. I'm in Norman, and have the Type B if you're interested in trying it out.
@@america2a657 That would be awesome, I used to live in Norman too. I'm out in Tecumseh now, not far away. How are you liking the Type B so far?
@@fumasterchu12 love it! Come try it out.
@@america2a657 That sounds great, I could probably make it in tomorrow if you're free.
@@fumasterchu12 message me on Instagram America2A and we can set something up.
Looking forward to a long term review.
Thank you Kevin! I’ll definitely do one. Cheers!
No
To each his own! Thank you and cheers!
Very cool bud. 👍
Thanks Spec! Good to see you and cheers brother!