when you have to subs and can not put them in front,where would you put them?? with midwall placment: from where you measure the distance?from the Driver middle or from the sidewall of woofer? ;)
Looking forward to that detailed miniDSP video. I'd like to know where you do what settings (AVR vs. miniDSP) and how you deal with the AVR's built-in EQ like Audyssey. For example, you need to set gain, delay etc. in the AVR for your surround/height channels, but what do you do with the channels that you want the miniDSP to control? Do you let Audyssey etc. determine all settings, and then decrease delay, gain etc. for the subs a bit to leave some room for fine tuning in the miniDSP? And what if you want to use functions like dynamic EQ and volume, which do you apply first, miniDSP EQ or Ausyssey EQ, and in which order do you do things? The article doesn't cover these things, so I'd be really grateful if your video did.
When placing 4 subwoofers at the corners of the room, does it matter which way the drivers are facing? I ask because looking at the Arendal Subwoofers, the drivers are placed on the side of their subs, so in order to have the drivers facing forward you would have to expose the amp and cables.
Great video..a couple of questions for your upcoming MiniDSP setup...how do you hook up the mini dsp in between a AVR & amplifier? Can you fine tune 2 subs & the front channels with just one Mini DSP? Or need more than 1?
What about a 12' wide by 11' length room . Would it be good to place 1 sub in left front corner of room and 1 sub in right rear corner of room? Or Would it be better to put rear sub directly behind the seats in the rear middle of room? I can't put front sub i the middle only right or left corners. . What do you think?
I have 4 subs, one 15, one 12, and two 10s. I have tried all sorts of placement areas and angles and I think I finally found the best spots. You go anywhere in my living room and you can hear the bass very well. NO Dsp yet but so far it sounds fantastic
I have three powered subs. Two Klipsch 225 w 10’s and a center 200 w 12 with two passive front 6 inch. My HK preamp has two channel sub outs (L and R). Should I separate the two Klipsch with Stereo placement along with my front firing stereo speakers or keep everything “mono” out? Thx!
Great vid as usual gene. I would like to hear Your thoughts on nearfield sub placement. I moved my four hsu 15s directly behind mlp and it is a night a day difference from have subs spread out on front, side, corners and back walls. Tactile response went from decent to out of this world. I will never go back😂. I run minidsp 2x4 hd for eq.
Much needed video and very useful information. You sound great now. Zoom is for enterprise meetings for all kinds of Internet connections so it was the wrong tool for the job. Also, should consider a cheap light for your videos because your room lighting casts a strong shadow on your face. You can also use a table lamp out of the view of the camera and in front of you to lift the shadows. Not being critical, just want to help as I've learned a lot from you.
Depending on how you look at it, unfortunately the biggest thing ive noticed with room bass is the more subs you add the better the bass as long as they are placed correctly. No math just more mass in more locations for bass. Ive used dirac live, rew, mini dsp, etc, and nothing replaces more subs. Its really that simple. You want better bass add more (quality) subs.
Gene - even 3 years later, this video was of great assistance. At the point of doing room treatment and consultant suggested mult-sub as a way of dealing with standing wave issue in my room. Great, advice provided. Have you thought of revisiting this topic again in light of what I find is renewed and higher interest in room treatment generally? Will be joining Patreon. Thanks
I did what is called the "Subwoofer Crawl" and from doing that I determined my subwoofer placement to be along the center of the right wall about a foot away from the wall. I only have one sub (Klipsch SW-450) and my room is rather small for a 7.1 setup. My room is 12 feet wide by 21 feet long by 7.5 feet in height. I also used the Yamaha YPAO microphone to help optimizing speaker settings for my listening position.
I Placed them, N-EAST and S-WEST.... Volume adjusted, 90 HZ CO.... works fine. What I would like to see Addressed is; DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LFE and The Mains Output through the SW Cross-Over. LFE Outputs from Programs Like - DOLBY ATMOS and DTS-X are not the same as Just All Below 80 Hz. DISCUSS THAT!!!
Where do you recommend I put surround back speakers if my room is small and the couch has to be against the wall? I have limit space to work with and currently have the surround backs behind the couch that is against the wall (which i hear isn't ideal), any recommendations?
Just because of the room, seating is stuck against the back wall. I only have two options for my 2 Klipsch 12" subs, comer loading opposite corners or corner loading the back wall corners. Just because they are so heavy, where should I start? ( I'll probably try both)
I have two subs, they are placed diagonally and have a pretty perfect frequency response, but sadly only up to 80Hz. After that it dips enormously, and nothing I tried really helped. Since the other Speakers have the same dip that's a problem. My seating is almost exactly in the middle, but even moving forward and backwards a bit makes little difference. If I place my mic about half a meter lowere than my head, then it gets a lot better, but I can't really put my ears there. Still working on that problem...
@@johndaddabbo9383 Thanks! I simulated that with REW and it did not look like it changes much. According to the Room Sim, the best place for my subs would be directly left and right of my couch, but then I can't get to my couch anymore...🙄 I have identified a placement option, that moves the suckout on the main channels a bit higher, moving the seats a bit further back, but will have to test how much real world impact that might have...
On the thought of being able to go multiple subs at a smaller size…I think I get that you’ll get more bass energy in the room, but do you sacrifice the ability to hit those really low frequencies (say, less than 30 hz) with the smaller woofers and boxes regardless of how many you stuff in there?
Not an expert, but I would think that you could get just as low with the use of dsp. Having multiple subs would reduce the power needed to acheive flat response via dsp.
I have my sub to the side of the seating area. I don't have access to any of the corners, as my basement, which is 40 feet wide. Would it be ok to have two subs on at each end of the seating area?
Can you maybe tell me if all my subs need to be the same or if i Can use 2 deferent subs both ported ofc but more if my front corner subs match and my back corner subs match
Hi, I have 2 rooms with 3 sealed subwoofers (Definitive Technology supercube sc6000 1500watts and two sc2000 650watts/ea; each box has 3 speakers) of the same brand and series, just different sizes: 1. Family Room has a 10 inch subwoofer in a 5.1.2 setup. A Denon AVR-S750H receiver that has 2 identical subwoofer outputs. 2. Projector room has two identical 8 inch subwoofers in a 5.2.4 setup. A Denon AVR-X3700H receiver with 2 independent subwoofer outputs. QUESTION: I want to buy a 2nd subwoofer for the family room to become a 5.2.2 setup. I can't buy a second 10 inch subwoofer because it's disontinued, so a 2nd subwoofer will be 8 inch. Which option below is best or would you have another suggestion? A. Because the projector room has the Denon AVR-X3700H receiver with independent subwoofer outputs, I was thinking of equipping this room with one 10 inch and one 8 in subwoofer (same brand and series, just different sizes). One would be located at the front right of the room, and the other at the back left of the room. B. The family room with the Denon AVR-S750H would have two identical 8 inch subwoofers. One would be located at the front right of the room, and the other at the back left of the room. Thanks.
Hi. My family room has 3 walls (front, right, back), the 4th side (left) is open to the kitchen. I have 2 identical subwoofers. One subwoofer is located at the front right of the room. My family room is 17' wide x 15' deep x 9' ceiling. QUESTION: I have 2 locations that I can place the 2nd subwoofer. I read that option C is better but I would prefer option D below. Your thoughts? C) the rear left of the room (I read that this is the preferred but the subwoofer would be an eyesore) D) the rear right of the room (the subwoofer would be hidden.) Is it ok to place it here? Would it sound bad if both subwoofers are located at the front-right and rear-right of the room? Thanks.
Just wanted to give you guys a huge thumbs up on the new streaming software. I'm sure it's a pain but it's definitely worth it. This is orders of magnitude better than hangouts etc. Both in audio and video. Thank you guys.
hy audioholics ,I put my sub looking to the wall corner ,is that right or is better to the front my Subwoofer sw100 Kliptch 10”... my name is Pablo hyyy
I have 2..placed in rear on each side of couch...Tremendous bass...Tried moving them to the front...Not satisfied at all....BACK TO THE REAR...VERY PLEASED
Do you have results of an asymmetric setup? Like the center wall layout, but move each speaker clockwise two feet maybe.. a lot of good tips in here but some of it comes off as bro science. For instance, just watched a guy talk quite a bit about how corner loading is just added spl from corner distortion.
Gene, Can you tell me something, I have a System RB81 II+RC62II+RS52II+etc... Sub is SB3000 with 40% gain volume 80hz xover in the right side with -3dBa in receiver. In stereo in louder volumes, my right ear hurts feeling the bass, I do everything that's was supose to be right. What should I DO?
No one is talking about BOSE AUDIO Systems & How Speakers should be setup especially in 5.1 Home Theatre as BOSE LIFESTYLE 600 can have 2 Subwoofers. It will be very useful/great to have the Knowledge for such aSetup.
I have a 7.1 powered by Denon avr x2600h (all bookshelf, no towers or satellites) and I am thinking about 2 subs. I currently live in a apartment on the 1st floor though. My only sub is on the left of my left channel speaker, but my living room opens up on the left to the dining room, where do you recommend placing the second sub? Or is a 2nd sub in an apartment not ideal? Thanks for you content, been watching for years.
have two identical subs mid wall Placement.A pro told me that nowadays it pretty common two have Them 180° and 0° phase. I use Dirac Bass Control and did a new measurment with different Phase settings.Whats your opinion?😊
I have a onkyo NR 686 7.2 receiver but unable to configure 7.2 in speaker setup even after connecting 2 active subwoofer in separate ports given for sub. Still setup options shows only 7.1 and not 7.2. Could you please help.
Hi there Gene, great channel. I have a question hoping to be amswered here. I use 2 subwoofers setup and 2 row seats. But in the front row i dont get the sound coming from the sub as much as i heard it from the second row (second row being higher about 60cm). I use 2 klipsch 12" subs in front of the stage. So i added another sub on the side of the room and almost right in the middle. Still no low effect from the front row as much as i hear it from the second row. Any suggestions would be greatly appreaciated. Thank u and keep up the great work
Hi Gene..When you get your legs back under you..Could make a simple video on how to use this rew with the mic. Most videos show something’s,but mostly go to fast for us Mortal man..lol. Thanks..joe
I was thinking to put one subwoofer in all four corners closest as possible to bass traps.. Can you tell me please is it a good idea? ... but now I’m thinking if i go with that theory I’m going to need eight of them cause there are upper corners in the room also.. or maybe isolating the whole ceiling would fix that problem? There you go another question again...
Look like great set up options if you have room. When you are dealing with a 10'×12' room that is near impossible although I am close to the 3' in on each side in the front on the 12' wall although probably closer to 2-1/2' . Couch has to be against the wall, no choice there.
Good video I use the minidsp 2x4 the RCA one and my DENON has two out but I do use one line out to my device and two out I’m only running two . I could place them better in a condo situation. I have the Minidsp mic which I did my REW. I have them placed on the rear part of the room side by side the couch. I like them more near the corners in the back it’s a room issue
My LR is not well designed. How would it work to have one sub at side and the other in back on top of kitchen cabinet about three foot below ceiling on cabinet? I have one on side but not real happy with its position, but not many options.
I have a 8'×10' room. One queen and one twin xl are side by side. Three subs are side by side under my DYI 1×4 plywood entertainment center for space convenience. They sounded better when they where not under there. I have carpet floors and textured paint walls.
Nice video Gene, awesome job! Quick question, I have a 7 by 6 meters room (distance between front wall and back wall is 6 meters) with left and right speakers with no subs, my seating position is my head is about 1 meter away from the back wall, but I don't get any bass at this seating position. If I move 1 meter closer to my speaker, I hear full bass (exactly how I like it). To solve this problem without moving my seating position, should I get 2 subs and place them like how you have described here? Or do I need some room acoustic treatment like bass trap for the corners or some sort to solve this issue? Thank you so much in advance!
When I first set up my dual subs, I had them in between my other speakers just like the examples at the start of this video. Placing the subs to the outsides of the front L/R speakers makes a huge difference because, all that bass isn't blasting right between the stereo field. I also think putting the front L/R speakers a bit in front of the subs might help open up the sound field a bit. I haven't done any measurements except using my ears.
Thank you for all your great information, I'm rocking two 8 inch subwoofers and it's a small room. Inside it's loud but out side it's quieter than two people speaking, a passing car is louder. Keep up the good work.
I've a Klipsch 10in sub and the only place I can put my sub is next to my left of my sofa. I use acoustic foam to tone down any booming from the back exhaust hole. I use subwoofer foam under the subwoofer. My speakers are all on stands except the centre speaker.
Another great video Gene. Have a question, do you have any experience with Omnitronic mic MM-2usb? Parameters are similar to umik1 or dayton mic , altgough it is much cheaper so i don't know if it is good enough to carry out measurement. Best regards
Hello Gene. I m looking for a new subwoofer and i m a king lost.... a bit. 😆. I m looking at the svs pb 3000 and the Canadian price is 1899 $ + taxes. And the second one It s a Paradigm studio 15 sealed for 1998 $ + taxes Canadian in special deal. I had canton speakers and a marantz sr7012 as receiver. So which one should a buy ????? Quality , punch , reliability and good bass ..... thanks. A Kebeker from Canada 🇨🇦 really love ur videos Even sometime it s à bit too complicate. But à learn a lot.
I just added 2 PB3000s to my 7.4.6 system and they are awesome. I have 2 older SVS 25-31 CS+ subs in my back corners and the two PB3000s in the front. It slams my house but the response is very smooth. I adjusted the 25-31 to get a baseline and incorporated the 3000s with REW. I had very little adjustment on the 3000s DSP.
Gene, thanks for the video. Please follow through with your idea of making a video of how you adjusted the phase and also how you EQ'ed the subs. You and your team are the most experienced team I've found, so it would be greatly helpful if you walked us through the process of finding the best locations and then integrating multiple subs. When you say things like " I had to trick the sealed subs by changing the High Pass response...." I'm sure there is a handful of viewers that might know what you mean by that, but I suspect that the vast majority of us aren't propeller heads who understand how this would be done. A short video illustrating this would be golden! Thanks again
Here’s another guy’s take th-cam.com/video/qdSBH6dw3gY/w-d-xo.html , maybe you guys could have a collaboration video, where you share your research, and have some courteous debate.
I don't care what he preaches. Many of these "acoustics" experts want you to load the room with bass traps and a single sub as opposed to multi-sub and less LF passive treatments. They haven't caught up with the latest science.
Is symmetry acoustically our friend? What about using prime numbers, or using the phi ratio to reduce standing waves when placing subwoofers? If things get too esoteric, you can PM me so as not to anger the Cable-Gods :P
These guidelines are for symmetric rooms (ie. rectangle and square). Exciting all of the standing waves in each corner and then EQ'ing the bass bumps works. Harman has many papers on this and we have an article here: www.audioholics.com/room-acoustics/optimum-locations-for-subwoofers-in-rectangular-rooms
If music is your main concern and it's only "you" sitting in the sweat spot doesnt it make more sense to put your whole budget(2k or less) in 1 great sub over 2 ok subs?
Yes if all you care about is great bass in a relatively small listening area and your mains have enough output to effectively crossover at 80hz or lower to the sub.
I need to learn the time alignment part of Rew with my MiniDSP!
when you have to subs and can not put them in front,where would you put them??
with midwall placment: from where you measure the distance?from the Driver middle or from the sidewall of woofer? ;)
Looking forward to that detailed miniDSP video. I'd like to know where you do what settings (AVR vs. miniDSP) and how you deal with the AVR's built-in EQ like Audyssey. For example, you need to set gain, delay etc. in the AVR for your surround/height channels, but what do you do with the channels that you want the miniDSP to control? Do you let Audyssey etc. determine all settings, and then decrease delay, gain etc. for the subs a bit to leave some room for fine tuning in the miniDSP? And what if you want to use functions like dynamic EQ and volume, which do you apply first, miniDSP EQ or Ausyssey EQ, and in which order do you do things? The article doesn't cover these things, so I'd be really grateful if your video did.
If you have one sub in the front corner and one sub in the back, do you have to adjust the phase on the speaker?
I cringe at all the TH-cam theater guys with that default line everything up setup. Zero tuning and placement. And people take their advice lol
When placing 4 subwoofers at the corners of the room, does it matter which way the drivers are facing? I ask because looking at the Arendal Subwoofers, the drivers are placed on the side of their subs, so in order to have the drivers facing forward you would have to expose the amp and cables.
Wait did u say Motherf**k or was it my ears(they are very much into such words). Haha colourful metaphors.
Nah you were hearing things. I never say such words ;)
I heard mother in law lol
Great video..a couple of questions for your upcoming MiniDSP setup...how do you hook up the mini dsp in between a AVR & amplifier?
Can you fine tune 2 subs & the front channels with just one Mini DSP? Or need more than 1?
Use sub out of AVR, mdsp can split to 4 independently controlled outputs.
What about a 12' wide by 11' length room . Would it be good to place 1 sub in left front corner of room and 1 sub in right rear corner of room? Or Would it be better to put rear sub directly behind the seats in the rear middle of room? I can't put front sub i the middle only right or left corners. . What do you think?
Normal people:just put it in corner
Audiophile :wait let me watch 30 min video so i know where to put it :p
More like "I'll see you in 8 months lol don't watch it without me" :P
@@SwirlingDragonMist :D
Audiophile: throw out the surround and listen to 2 channel
Budding audiophile: "I'm going to crawl on the floor for an hour to find the most optimal subwoofer placement."
Where are good placements for only 3 subwoofers? Can't really use 4 because of the room.
I have 4 subs, one 15, one 12, and two 10s. I have tried all sorts of placement areas and angles and I think I finally found the best spots. You go anywhere in my living room and you can hear the bass very well. NO Dsp yet but so far it sounds fantastic
I wonder if it matters if the subwoofers are front or down firing. I feel most of the diagrams are for front firing subwoofers
I have three powered subs. Two Klipsch 225 w 10’s and a center 200 w 12 with two passive front 6 inch. My HK preamp has two channel sub outs (L and R). Should I separate the two Klipsch with Stereo placement along with my front firing stereo speakers or keep everything “mono” out? Thx!
How about if you have a dual subwoofer one at the left corner and one at the right back corner of the room do you think is going to work?
I have the same question. Waiting on an answer. Did you find any information on this?
@@carcar5911 yes you get a balance bass smooth bass if you have a rectangular room
@@samidebs3559 if we get this house that we're looking at my room will be 11'by 12'. A little small but doable
Great vid as usual gene. I would like to hear Your thoughts on nearfield sub placement. I moved my four hsu 15s directly behind mlp and it is a night a day difference from have subs spread out on front, side, corners and back walls. Tactile response went from decent to out of this world. I will never go back😂. I run minidsp 2x4 hd for eq.
Maybe 6 subwoofer or 8 subwoofer is the best
Much needed video and very useful information.
You sound great now. Zoom is for enterprise meetings for all kinds of Internet connections so it was the wrong tool for the job.
Also, should consider a cheap light for your videos because your room lighting casts a strong shadow on your face. You can also use a table lamp out of the view of the camera and in front of you to lift the shadows. Not being critical, just want to help as I've learned a lot from you.
Thanks, much appreciated.
I know it Gene is a Autobot Decepticons attack
Dont you mean Audiobot?
1/4 wall means exact middle of the driver measurement or from the side wall of sub?
Depending on how you look at it, unfortunately the biggest thing ive noticed with room bass is the more subs you add the better the bass as long as they are placed correctly. No math just more mass in more locations for bass. Ive used dirac live, rew, mini dsp, etc, and nothing replaces more subs. Its really that simple. You want better bass add more (quality) subs.
Gene - even 3 years later, this video was of great assistance. At the point of doing room treatment and consultant suggested mult-sub as a way of dealing with standing wave issue in my room. Great, advice provided. Have you thought of revisiting this topic again in light of what I find is renewed and higher interest in room treatment generally? Will be joining Patreon. Thanks
For sure, list a set of questions you have on our patreon and we can do followup videos. Thx
Great video, very informative and I learn something new every time, thanks 🤘
I did what is called the "Subwoofer Crawl" and from doing that I determined my subwoofer placement to be along the center of the right wall about a foot away from the wall. I only have one sub (Klipsch SW-450) and my room is rather small for a 7.1 setup. My room is 12 feet wide by 21 feet long by 7.5 feet in height. I also used the Yamaha YPAO microphone to help optimizing speaker settings for my listening position.
Could you do the same for dual sub placement as well? What are your favourite placements when using two subwoofer? Thanks.
I Placed them, N-EAST and S-WEST.... Volume adjusted, 90 HZ CO.... works fine. What I would like to see Addressed is; DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LFE and The Mains Output through the SW Cross-Over. LFE Outputs from Programs Like - DOLBY ATMOS and DTS-X are not the same as Just All Below 80 Hz. DISCUSS THAT!!!
Where do you recommend I put surround back speakers if my room is small and the couch has to be against the wall?
I have limit space to work with and currently have the surround backs behind the couch that is against the wall (which i hear isn't ideal), any recommendations?
Hey Gene, with the Marantz 8802a with dual/separate sub outs would audyssey do a decent job of calibration with 4 subs?
Just because of the room, seating is stuck against the back wall. I only have two options for my 2 Klipsch 12" subs, comer loading opposite corners or corner loading the back wall corners. Just because they are so heavy, where should I start? ( I'll probably try both)
Hi Gene , best regards from republic of Turkey, thank you very much for all information you give.
Would it be bad to add a 15 inch sub to my 12 inch sub?
Let Home theater Dude listen to this . Great guy but his subs are up front like 1 huge sub and tons of traps .
Where is the link to the Mini DSP?
He wouldn't need as many traps with proper sub positioning. I will add a link to minidsp later today. Thx
I have two subs, they are placed diagonally and have a pretty perfect frequency response, but sadly only up to 80Hz. After that it dips enormously, and nothing I tried really helped. Since the other Speakers have the same dip that's a problem. My seating is almost exactly in the middle, but even moving forward and backwards a bit makes little difference.
If I place my mic about half a meter lowere than my head, then it gets a lot better, but I can't really put my ears there. Still working on that problem...
@@johndaddabbo9383
Thanks! I simulated that with REW and it did not look like it changes much. According to the Room Sim, the best place for my subs would be directly left and right of my couch, but then I can't get to my couch anymore...🙄
I have identified a placement option, that moves the suckout on the main channels a bit higher, moving the seats a bit further back, but will have to test how much real world impact that might have...
I have mine behind me.Gonna try diagonal setting soon
I think some of those people are placing their subs in those spots because they're limited by the size of their rooms.
yea understood. They can also use smaller subs to open up placement options too. I fear some over sub their systems.
Which size is fine for 4 subs? 10 Zoll? Or how many watt? 200w? Or what it should be
On the thought of being able to go multiple subs at a smaller size…I think I get that you’ll get more bass energy in the room, but do you sacrifice the ability to hit those really low frequencies (say, less than 30 hz) with the smaller woofers and boxes regardless of how many you stuff in there?
Not an expert, but I would think that you could get just as low with the use of dsp.
Having multiple subs would reduce the power needed to acheive flat response via dsp.
I have my sub to the side of the seating area. I don't have access to any of the corners, as my basement, which is 40 feet wide. Would it be ok to have two subs on at each end of the seating area?
Thx, but what is about Waterfall? How this looks when 4 Subs are in the Corner?
Thanks Gene very informative as always sounds great by the way much better voice on stream keep it up pal
Can you maybe tell me if all my subs need to be the same or if i Can use 2 deferent subs both ported ofc but more if my front corner subs match and my back corner subs match
Hi, I have 2 rooms with 3 sealed subwoofers (Definitive Technology supercube sc6000 1500watts and two sc2000 650watts/ea; each box has 3 speakers) of the same brand and series, just different sizes:
1. Family Room has a 10 inch subwoofer in a 5.1.2 setup. A Denon AVR-S750H receiver that has 2 identical subwoofer outputs.
2. Projector room has two identical 8 inch subwoofers in a 5.2.4 setup. A Denon AVR-X3700H receiver with 2 independent subwoofer outputs.
QUESTION: I want to buy a 2nd subwoofer for the family room to become a 5.2.2 setup. I can't buy a second 10 inch subwoofer because it's disontinued, so a 2nd subwoofer will be 8 inch. Which option below is best or would you have another suggestion?
A. Because the projector room has the Denon AVR-X3700H receiver with independent subwoofer outputs, I was thinking of equipping this room with one 10 inch and one 8 in subwoofer (same brand and series, just different sizes).
One would be located at the front right of the room, and the other at the back left of the room.
B. The family room with the Denon AVR-S750H would have two identical 8 inch subwoofers.
One would be located at the front right of the room, and the other at the back left of the room.
Thanks.
Hi. My family room has 3 walls (front, right, back), the 4th side (left) is open to the kitchen. I have 2 identical subwoofers. One subwoofer is located at the front right of the room. My family room is 17' wide x 15' deep x 9' ceiling.
QUESTION: I have 2 locations that I can place the 2nd subwoofer. I read that option C is better but I would prefer option D below. Your thoughts?
C) the rear left of the room (I read that this is the preferred but the subwoofer would be an eyesore)
D) the rear right of the room (the subwoofer would be hidden.) Is it ok to place it here? Would it sound bad if both subwoofers are located at the front-right and rear-right of the room?
Thanks.
What about placing a secondary wubwoofer INSIDE my couch? Would it be an aberration? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I got a second sub and now my sound is all messed up
Not properly integrated. Work on postion, delay and phase.
Just wanted to give you guys a huge thumbs up on the new streaming software.
I'm sure it's a pain but it's definitely worth it.
This is orders of magnitude better than hangouts etc.
Both in audio and video.
Thank you guys.
Thx Martin. I feel like an idiot trying to make this stuff work but the quality increase is worth the pain. Always trying to improve...
hy audioholics ,I put my sub looking to the wall corner ,is that right or is better to the front my Subwoofer sw100 Kliptch 10”... my name is Pablo hyyy
the walls are concrete 15' x 11' x 9'h
I have 2..placed in rear on each side of couch...Tremendous bass...Tried moving them to the front...Not satisfied at all....BACK TO THE REAR...VERY PLEASED
How far are the two rear subs from your listening seat?
@@klepp19 5 feetish
Do you have results of an asymmetric setup? Like the center wall layout, but move each speaker clockwise two feet maybe.. a lot of good tips in here but some of it comes off as bro science. For instance, just watched a guy talk quite a bit about how corner loading is just added spl from corner distortion.
Thanks for the vid. Your work is informative as always
Gene, Can you tell me something, I have a System RB81 II+RC62II+RS52II+etc... Sub is SB3000 with 40% gain volume 80hz xover in the right side with -3dBa in receiver. In stereo in louder volumes, my right ear hurts feeling the bass, I do everything that's was supose to be right. What should I DO?
No one is talking about BOSE AUDIO Systems & How Speakers should be setup especially in 5.1 Home Theatre as BOSE LIFESTYLE 600 can have 2 Subwoofers. It will be very useful/great to have the Knowledge for such aSetup.
I have a 7.1 powered by Denon avr x2600h (all bookshelf, no towers or satellites) and I am thinking about 2 subs. I currently live in a apartment on the 1st floor though.
My only sub is on the left of my left channel speaker, but my living room opens up on the left to the dining room, where do you recommend placing the second sub?
Or is a 2nd sub in an apartment not ideal?
Thanks for you content, been watching for years.
Hi Gene, Ihave four JLAudio f113 v2 powered sub. How to connect them on my Marantz AV 8805 processor?
have two identical subs mid wall Placement.A pro told me that nowadays it pretty common two have Them 180° and 0° phase.
I use Dirac Bass Control and did a new measurment with different Phase settings.Whats your opinion?😊
@@texxhexxmm do front/back wall or corners. Midwall is least efficient.
@@Audioholics only way in my room!
I have a onkyo NR 686 7.2 receiver but unable to configure 7.2 in speaker setup even after connecting 2 active subwoofer in separate ports given for sub. Still setup options shows only 7.1 and not 7.2. Could you please help.
Advice I have Lexicon RV-6 I'm running B&W 803 mains & HTM3 center I keep bouncin around with setting small or large at 80Htz ?
Where is Hugo!!??
Hi there Gene, great channel.
I have a question hoping to be amswered here. I use 2 subwoofers setup and 2 row seats. But in the front row i dont get the sound coming from the sub as much as i heard it from the second row (second row being higher about 60cm). I use 2 klipsch 12" subs in front of the stage. So i added another sub on the side of the room and almost right in the middle. Still no low effect from the front row as much as i hear it from the second row. Any suggestions would be greatly appreaciated. Thank u and keep up the great work
Hi Gene..When you get your legs back under you..Could make a simple video on how to use this rew with the mic. Most videos show something’s,but mostly go to fast for us Mortal man..lol. Thanks..joe
What 5 subs are you using
Great video but what if the port and subs face the front?
I was thinking to put one subwoofer in all four corners closest as possible to bass traps.. Can you tell me please is it a good idea?
... but now I’m thinking if i go with that theory I’m going to need eight of them cause there are upper corners in the room also.. or maybe isolating the whole ceiling would fix that problem? There you go another question again...
I have a square room and it sucks. I’m seriously tempted to do construction on that room just to make it a rectangle lol
The word is "ANYWAY not ANYWAYS get it right
Look like great set up options if you have room. When you are dealing with a 10'×12' room that is near impossible although I am close to the 3' in on each side in the front on the 12' wall although probably closer to 2-1/2' . Couch has to be against the wall, no choice there.
Good video I use the minidsp 2x4 the RCA one and my DENON has two out but I do use one line out to my device and two out I’m only running two . I could place them better in a condo situation. I have the Minidsp mic which I did my REW. I have them placed on the rear part of the room side by side the couch. I like them more near the corners in the back it’s a room issue
My LR is not well designed. How would it work to have one sub at side and the other in back on top of kitchen cabinet about three foot below ceiling on cabinet? I have one on side but not real happy with its position, but not many options.
Hi, what placement would you recommend for P shaped living room where the TV and sofa are in the narrow part of the room (10 feet wide)?
The screens are so small for the size of the speakers
I have a 8'×10' room.
One queen and one twin xl are side by side.
Three subs are side by side under my DYI 1×4 plywood entertainment center for space convenience.
They sounded better when they where not under there.
I have carpet floors and textured paint walls.
Basic question. What is subwoofer EQ?
Your av has an EQ for all channels including sub channel
Nice video Gene, awesome job! Quick question, I have a 7 by 6 meters room (distance between front wall and back wall is 6 meters) with left and right speakers with no subs, my seating position is my head is about 1 meter away from the back wall, but I don't get any bass at this seating position. If I move 1 meter closer to my speaker, I hear full bass (exactly how I like it). To solve this problem without moving my seating position, should I get 2 subs and place them like how you have described here? Or do I need some room acoustic treatment like bass trap for the corners or some sort to solve this issue? Thank you so much in advance!
When I first set up my dual subs, I had them in between my other speakers just like the examples at the start of this video. Placing the subs to the outsides of the front L/R speakers makes a huge difference because, all that bass isn't blasting right between the stereo field. I also think putting the front L/R speakers a bit in front of the subs might help open up the sound field a bit. I haven't done any measurements except using my ears.
Why does my system put my sub distance at 15 feet when it is about 8 feet away from the listening position. Audessy on Denon x1400h, SB2000 SVS
You answered my question in this video, DSP delay th-cam.com/video/Iqi1SIunE4g/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for all your great information, I'm rocking two 8 inch subwoofers and it's a small room. Inside it's loud but out side it's quieter than two people speaking, a passing car is louder. Keep up the good work.
I've a Klipsch 10in sub and the only place I can put my sub is next to my left of my sofa. I use acoustic foam to tone down any booming from the back exhaust hole. I use subwoofer foam under the subwoofer. My speakers are all on stands except the centre speaker.
What happens if the subs face each other?
Really needed this information Gene!! Thank you sir!!
Another great video Gene. Have a question, do you have any experience with Omnitronic mic MM-2usb? Parameters are similar to umik1 or dayton mic , altgough it is much cheaper so i don't know if it is good enough to carry out measurement.
Best regards
Hello Gene. I m looking for a new subwoofer and i m a king lost.... a bit. 😆. I m looking at the svs pb 3000 and the Canadian price is 1899 $ + taxes. And the second one It s a Paradigm studio 15 sealed for 1998 $ + taxes Canadian in special deal. I had canton speakers and a marantz sr7012 as receiver. So which one should a buy ????? Quality , punch , reliability and good bass ..... thanks. A Kebeker from Canada 🇨🇦 really love ur videos Even sometime it s à bit too complicate. But à learn a lot.
I just added 2 PB3000s to my 7.4.6 system and they are awesome. I have 2 older SVS 25-31 CS+ subs in my back corners and the two PB3000s in the front. It slams my house but the response is very smooth. I adjusted the 25-31 to get a baseline and incorporated the 3000s with REW. I had very little adjustment on the 3000s DSP.
awesome content. thank you so much!!! BR from nothern Germany
Due to room ,I have one sub front right of room and was going to put one back left ..how would that work out?
Gene, thanks for the video. Please follow through with your idea of making a video of how you adjusted the phase and also how you EQ'ed the subs. You and your team are the most experienced team I've found, so it would be greatly helpful if you walked us through the process of finding the best locations and then integrating multiple subs. When you say things like " I had to trick the sealed subs by changing the High Pass response...." I'm sure there is a handful of viewers that might know what you mean by that, but I suspect that the vast majority of us aren't propeller heads who understand how this would be done. A short video illustrating this would be golden! Thanks again
I curious about how to, or where I should position the phase when using multiple subs
Nice Video 👍👌 Need to learn more about REW + miniDSP integration
More Grimani!!
I have both of my subs on my back wall about a foot away from the back but about 12 feet away from each other. I think it sounds great.
Great stuff. Speaker placement, the other half of the listening experience equation. Thanks!
I have svs 2 subs and I’m sooooo lazy that I won’t t ever order those tools or ever move them again haha 🤣
Here’s another guy’s take th-cam.com/video/qdSBH6dw3gY/w-d-xo.html , maybe you guys could have a collaboration video, where you share your research, and have some courteous debate.
I don't care what he preaches. Many of these "acoustics" experts want you to load the room with bass traps and a single sub as opposed to multi-sub and less LF passive treatments. They haven't caught up with the latest science.
Whatever your subwoofers are in one box
so nice to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about
Would you place all subs at floor level, would this work for in wall subs?
Thanks for the great info Gene! I always learn new stuff from you on how to improve my system
Gene,
With the different immersive formats, what are your thoughts on ceiling subwoofers?
Subwoofer placement is agnostic to surround formats.
Maybe silly question but when there is multi subs out IE. 1 & 2 , witch one one is left & right?
It doesn’t really matter too much, as bass is near impossible to locate in a room without looking.
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Is symmetry acoustically our friend? What about using prime numbers, or using the phi ratio to reduce standing waves when placing subwoofers? If things get too esoteric, you can PM me so as not to anger the Cable-Gods :P
These guidelines are for symmetric rooms (ie. rectangle and square). Exciting all of the standing waves in each corner and then EQ'ing the bass bumps works. Harman has many papers on this and we have an article here:
www.audioholics.com/room-acoustics/optimum-locations-for-subwoofers-in-rectangular-rooms
@@Audioholics Oooh! fantastic article! love those graphs and diagrams! Thanks!
If music is your main concern and it's only "you" sitting in the sweat spot doesnt it make more sense to put your whole budget(2k or less) in 1 great sub over 2 ok subs?
Yes if all you care about is great bass in a relatively small listening area and your mains have enough output to effectively crossover at 80hz or lower to the sub.
Don't forget Murphy's law that says the sweet spot might be in a null, in which case more than one sub really helps.