I’ve been driving for UPS for 18 years. 170K a year includes everything. The amount of people making that money is the minority by far. Most employees are part time making sub par money. It’s all about Seniority.
@@MuthaTruckerI was told that Feeders should go up to $49+ in 4 years, not to 44+ ? Any ideas which one is true ? 😮 Feeders are currently at $41+ so after a $7.50 increase, that could top up at $49+ ?
Just reached 14 months with Walmart., on pace for 120k this year. Doesn’t include account medical, and 401k match, stock purchase., vacation. Sold my truck which was hard for me to do, but it’s been the best thing for me and my family.
Are you home every day because I am and do you have a pension? And 7weeks paid vacation.I’m not knocking any company but I’m telling you it pays to stay .
😂 let’s be honest Walmart will be around wayyyyy longer then ups sorry fan boys of the “pension”. And I’m not even a truck driver, it’s common sense ups doesn’t produce nothing what they offer a shipping service…. Okay there are plenty other cheaper options, but Walmart we as people need Walmart. But I think Walmart issssss way better but like I said I’m not a truck driver.
I 100% support Unions. I am a retired Union Elevator Mechanic for Otis Elevator in Atlanta. 32 yrs. Union Elevator Trade was very good to me. I have an EXCELLENT Pension & Insurance (Major Medical, Dental, & Vision) for me & my wife for life. People that knock Unions.. Do NOT understand Unions 😊
Good for the teamsters. I was a FED EX Ground step van driver for 10 years. That is a tough job, In and out of that truck with 100 + stops. You deserve that and more.
then u dont know what all the other workers of usa go through which is tougher stuff. the pay gaps should not be that wide within the industry. try working for werner. or try working at grocery store with wages that don't pay bills. all jobs suck with exception of a few, and those ones abuse antitrust laws and restrict jobs creations. it's actually not a tough job to be van drivers like that, it's actually one of the more perfect jobs. not overly physical and not underphysical, while also pays well. i don't aim for that job is because i keep my trucking experience active, so it wouldn't make sense me do van box driving.
@@henlohenlo689 you think driving a ups package car is not physical lololol. It’s not chill. It’s 20 hours of work crammed into package car expected to get done in under 9.5 hours. You have 3 different time commit stops throughout your day. Bulk stops. Which can be anything from mall routes to industrial heavy construction rigging equipment parts. Don’t forget pickups. And best believe your truck is empty when you start your pickup string. Most likely it’s still half full. So make sure you separate pickup and delivery volume. Pickup next day air? Better make it to the drop point or your driving to the airport. Then go back and finish the deliveries. Punch out between 9-11 pm. Rinse and repeat everyday. It was the most brutal job I’ve ever had. Mentally and physically. I was never home. Kids growing up without their dad around. I was so exhausted I slept in almost all day Saturday to catch up on sleep. Luckily I have a very understanding wife. I’m no longer a ups driver. F that place. 16 years is all I could handle.
@@henlohenlo689 You have no clue what you are talking about. It is a very hard job. I am in and out of the truck 200 times a day. I walk 5 to 10 miles a day. If you want an 8 hr workday you have to request it the day before which they can deny. You get three 8 hour days a month. You have to be careful and do things properly every day all day so you don't get injured. Being a package driver is hard work. Period. There's a reason that very very few new hires actually stay through to the full 4 year progression and finally get the decent pay.
@@truckingbynumbers it's not a hard job compared all the trucking jobs i done. a general person in a standing job has it tougher physically cause they don't get to sit down. dish washers have it tougher physically. foood delivery is way tougher. teams trucking is way harder on your body. working at oak harbor they will max out your clock every day push you hours of service to the limit and you are driving over night trying to stay awake. i had a trucking job driving all the 48 states way tougher than what any ups driver would ever or could ever do. van box driving is like kiddie pool compared to other jobs. if you complaining about physical than dish washer is tougher than that. if physicality is what your complaining about.
@@henlohenlo689 You're incredibly uneducated about what you're talking about. Driving a delivery van is significantly more work than what you're describing. You drove 48 states, that's probably the easiest driving position you can get. I work for Werner, this is my last week there. I do Family Dollar's dedicated account out of Marianna Florida. You're delusional if you think that's not harder than 48 states. You drive and back into docks. I unload the truck myself at various stores. I also did step van deliveries for FedEx, I know what this guy is talking about. You sit in AC and do almost all highway miles on Werner's 48 states. He's in a non AC van getting out carrying packages that can go up to 150 pounds 200 times a day. That's significantly more work than a dish washer. That's significantly more work than Werner's 48 states. Teams is only hard because you don't get good sleep while the other person is driving. Again, I'm working for the company you mentioned. I also worked doing the same thing they're talking about. FedEx step van was significantly harder than my job at Werner. You're comparing two different things. The people you're replying to aren't talking about drop and hook terminal to terminal, they're talking about package van deliveries.
UPS drivers absolutely deserve this. I worked as a package handler for 2 years in the hub waiting to be a driver. I got fed up of waiting and struggling to make a living, and went into the pest control industry. At UPS in order to be a driver you must pay your dues as a package handler in the sweatshop. Hard ass work. It could take months or years to get a driver position. Then you must spend 5 years as a driver to reach top pay. These guys have to go through a lot to earn those great wages. They deserve every penny. Well done Teamsters!!!!!!
Shoot I got hired off the street as a 22.4 last year and am super blessed but this company is ruthless! I’ve been since forced inside since May in the warehouse and loading and unloading trailers. So yea it’s humbling to say the least. I guess I’m also paying my dues and building that seniority
You have to work 60-70 hrs a week, have no family time, and be out of progression at $40+ to make that. It’s a 4 yrs progression starting at 21 dollars for drivers
@@Whoisderon But no one wants to work for financial freedom and put the work in for early retirement. Work life balance doesn't mean more money either. Sure it goes both ways.
@@Swagalious689 not true at all. It takes so long to go full time that people stay. It took me 10 years to finally become a full time driver because movement is slow. It’s all through attrition and seniority. I did quit though lol. 16 years and I got burnt out. Got my CDL and now Im a teamster construction equipment hauler. Ups is a meat grinder. These guys deserve every penny they can get because it still ain’t worth it.
@@Swagalious689 Yes, for sure. In the center where I work out of they hire 2-3 times a year for full time package drivers. Very few of them stay for the 4 year progression. That's why they keep the starting wage low. I think they hired 15 or so in 2021 and maybe 3 are still there.
@@Swagalious689and that is why ups moved the progression from 2 to 4yrs. They get a 2 for 1 deal out of it. 2 new drivers making $21 vs 1 top pay driver making $41.59.
that depends on what part of the USA that you live in. Hubs yes but outlying centers no. I’m from a outlying center that I run to a hub, I take night loads and bring back preloads. I started in 05 and went ft package car driver in 07 and did it up to 2018 when I went ft feeders. It took me 11yrs to get into feeders but now I have a 4 of my co workers that just started ups less than 5yrs ago and are already in feeders
Depending on your location,most feeder, drivers work 60 hours a week here in upstate New York I’m a feeder driver was 29 years of service .up here, We make $40 an hour. $1600 for 40 hours plus $1200 a week for 20 hours of OT $2800 gross x52= $145,600 not including benefits.. by the end of this contract that will be a $3430 a week gross for 60 hours And $178,360 a year not including benefits now this is based on 60 hours which most feeder drivers up here work so if you add in our benefits to the salaries if you’re a 60 hour guy, your total compensation will be over $200,000..
I’m a chicago local 705 member… a fully funded pension payment for a UPS driver is almost $600 per week per man.. that’s @ 32,000 dollars a year for each driver.
I have 8 yrs vested in 705. When my company went under at the beginning of '02 I found a new job. Still, 8 yrs will pay me $1010 a month when I retire. That'll help with my 401k, SS, IRA, & Mutual fund.
@@elitex50 as long as they are bringing in 500 billion in revenue, they will manage…. Fed ex has there own problems… maybe 25-30 years down the road but not soon
UPS in big cities used to be a company where a full-time employee had to pass away for a part-timer to get a full-time job opportunity… but, the part-time benefits alone made it worth being part-time but if you are after the big bucks then it may be a few years unless you catch them at a time where they’re hiring full-time drivers off of the street. Also…. people should ask the quality of life while being employed there. UPS hours can put burdens on marriages and relationships, divorce rates were high there in 2010.
OTR truckers used to make $100k/yr in the 80's. 111.5% inflation since 1985 would be $211k/yr today. If the drivers are only making $170k/yr today they are effectively making less money
Most company drivers aren't making anywhere near 100k. Not including benefits. UPS drivers are not OTR. They have a life and get paid more than any other company.
@@Whoisderon yes and no. Depends on what you want out of life. The guy who keeps his money OTR with no life IF planned out can easily build wealth. Then local cats who make more with more bills and responsibilities. With inflation and other things sure the dollar is worth less so that requires us to need to make more. But it's still all meaningless if you never get to keep most of it. OTR has changed my life for the better and yes it's true truckers are under paid. You could save your money buy land build storage units and buy your time back too. But it all depends how you want to sacrifice and it won't be pretty but that's life. You aren't wrong in one angle. The pure amount of dollars in my savings is disagreeing with some of what you say.
Don't go running to UPS. I worked there for 2 months. I worked 10 days in 2 months. I asked the terminal manager if I could clean toilets or sweep floors. He said I could after 30 consecutive days. 2 weeks later, I went back and he said the same thing. I asked how long 30 "consecutive" days would take to get. He said 4-5 years. I informed him that I had wasted my time and his, then resigned on the spot. I was a feeder driver that made $2,000 in 2 months. Unless you're living at home with your parents in the beginning with no car note, it isn't worth it. I was on call 6 days a week, 24 hours a day. They could call at any time and I had to be there within 1 hour, no matter what.
you should sue them. they have no right to do that to workers they are violating antitrust laws. you dont need to necessarily file lawsuit but should at the very least file complaints with the govt agencies to let them know how ups treats the workers which raises clues for antitrust laws violations. the workers don't get get work or job creations while the customers don't get service or price gouged. why is this? because ups is the vessel restricting trade/job growth/service to customers/ and competition. they single handedly decide if economy grows and if people are served well or not.
This is not a regular feeder position. Also no one gets hired on permanent full time directly into feeder. You must have been a seasonal hire or you are confusing ups with ups freight. Also in some buildings they have “porters” which is a union position that is essentially a janitor. It’s a full time position that takes a lifetime to get. So no, you wouldn’t even be allowed to sweep and clean toilets. Ups people also do not use the term terminal. There is no terminal managers at ups. Completely wrong vocabulary.
@@henlohenlo689 it wasn’t a regular position. I think in the northeast and the northeast only they had part time feeder drivers. Which was a strange position that had its own contract language. But this guys story sounds odd. Feeder is a high seniority position in every building. They do not bring new hires directly into feeder. There is an entire building full of package drivers with more seniority waiting to go feeder.
There have been instances where they hired directly off the street for feeders. They did it in 13/14 at Joh Ave in Baltimore. I went to an interview but it wasn't for me. My buddy applied and was hired. He is still there.
@@toddb3394 definitely a northeast/east coast thing. Every region has slightly different rules. I’m in the west coast. Hiring directly into feeder is not possible here. We have a 6/1 rule here. But it only goes for package driving, and they usually give that spot to a part time supe they want to become a full time driver supe
@@steveng14043please they run 30% of Amazon why u think Amazon is building next to them without Amazon and the post office they are done . I remember back in 2006 when the usps was trying to do as ups and the cried saying the government can't make a profit
Alex! If i can figure out how to do it i could show you what made last year as a feeder driver for ups was over 200, 000. Ups feeder pay is complicated. You can make more depending the work you do we get 6th day pay (time and a half) 7th day( double time). Sleeper is premium work. Trick is you do a short sleeper run leave Tuesday come back fri, jump on the clock fri for local work and sat. If you work 10 plus hours both days your talking$ 4,600+ depending on otr miles. Some guys make 260,000 .remember a lot of the drivers these days are in progression. Ive been at ups 33yrs 6yrs part time 20yrs as package 7yrs feeder
Been trucking for a while now. Trucking is not what it used to be back then. I’m tired of the lack of respect for this job that most of the people are afraid of getting done.
Happy for you UPS drivers. Just wish Yellow could have stuck around. It would have been nice to still have a job. Still have yet to be told I no longer have a job..
The inflation was bound to happen anyways. The pandemic shutdown and making people stay at home screwed everything up. Now no one wants to really work in person. And that’s on top of the fact that people in the later generations have gotten lazy. Now it’s about trying to attract decent workers who still want to report on-site for daily duty.
Just like the UAW workers want more that is some of the reason why the vehicles are so high people can't afford to pay 80 to hundred thousand dollars for a vehicle people like me work just as hard as they do the prices of new vehicles is ridiculous most people can't afford them anymore me and my wife together only make around 75k a year and we have a family to feed and support but the UAW make very good money but they want people who make 15 to $20 an hour to buy them it's impossible
I did 3 years Part Time then went driving Package Car. Total of 7 years to hit top rate ($41.51) Got my CDL and went to feeders my 8th year (I thought it would take 15+ years) I’m in my 9th year and am on call 24/7 for Feeder runs. Sometimes I go back to delivering when it gets really slow.
Something negative will probably come out of this in the long run. Current UPS customers are going to have to cover these pay raises which means they'll be switching to fed ex, usps, etc etc. Don't be surprised if other delivery companies pop up within the next 5-10 years.
@@steveng14043 UPS has better cash flow than the competitors. It’s only 2 competitors that can handle the volume these big box stores push out. Ups also has reliable staffing far as delivery goes soon 1-2 Day delivery will be the standard everywhere soon this is one reason Amazon couldn’t just kick UPS to the curb even with their own delivery service UPS reliability is like no other
But yellow didn't have 30% of Amazon freight an a contract with the usps that how ups still exists. Remember the usps had supposedly done what ups is doing delivered product, but they fought against it crying the government is not supposed to make a profit back in 2006
@@oneone3983 USPS primary "service" is service of process, 2 is first class mail... UPS does not deliver First Class Mail or perform service of process...
@@oneone3983 UPS exist because the e-commerce market has to be diverse in order for it to work. Remember UPS did something bold and that’s cut non profiting accounts which put everyone including Amazon to pay up Fedex followed suite . Why cuz Amazon was playing with the volume & money Fedex cut Amazon off completely which put Amazon in a corner cuz they had to commit to 1 &2 day shipping which is hard if u don’t have a sound carrier like UPS in your corner. UPS knows how to navigate the E-commerce market like no other and remember they have the highest rates but have a 99% successful delivery rate attached to them.
In Wisconsin you can get hired full time off the street you do not have to work part time!!! You will be on call sometimes but work as much as you can when you’re working and after 3-5 years you shouldn’t have to worry about being on call anymore.This is the best Driving job that I know of,I have had many driving jobs even driving over the road for six years prior.
Same in NJ. You not really call but you lie able to pick your routes every wk. They do vary based on what's left after the senior drivers pick. The only downfall is when Dec rolls around, you're out of a job until they call you back
Part time. Meaning as in not working everyday.. you’re on call. That’s what that means for feeder driver. And then you have packages driver that convert over to feeder. They work both. Package and feeder. So if it’s so in feeder. They can go back to package. That what that mean.. so you’re basically on call for a long time.. but you have some terminals that hire off the street and they come in at full time.. so it really all depends on the city and state… you’re in
About 1986 i worked unloading trucks, 3am. 4 pups and 1 delivery. I think $8 per hr. Unfortunately it lasted only 30days. It was like putting up hay on steroids. Trucks did not jack up and several floor latches missing. For a invome job at this level would be impossible. Only worked 3 hours per day, 5 days a week.
Well, this goes to show how having a union can line your pockets. Good for them. Hopefully some of these greedy trucking companies will follow suit and do the right thing for their drivers also. We already saw how they did nothing for us after everything we sacrificed during the lockdown.
I got a full time union driver position after 3 months as a seasonal temp driver. They had 2 retirements an 3 new spots added hub. Helps to be really good, me and my buddy were all stars as soon as we started and they told us we'd get the first 2 openings.
As a driver at the very bottom of the seniority UPS will have you out until 10-11pm every night so yall think about that if you can’t handle long hours. We set the standard in hard work. Nothing is just given at this company, everything is earned.
My main bitch about the pay package is the health and safety portion they count as benefits which I think was around $12 an hour before and I don't know what it is in this contract. I get full health care from the VA so it's redundant. I get little to no benefit from that as a single person. Let veterans that are covered from the VA opt out of that and pay us an extra $12 plus an hour. We don't need 1095 forms from UPS and the VA. Twice I've gone to the walk in clinic and given them my health coverage card from UPS but I'm in the system from the VA and they end up billing the VA anyway which is not my intention. Rant over.
As someone who has used and greatly benefited from VA benifits. This is a valid point and concern in my opinion not a rant. You are leaving that 12$ on the table along with everyone else in your situation. I’m interested to learn about an in action taken behind this!
all the attention they hoping amazon workers will unionize because they're the threat, and also they know that NEXT contract ppl will misremember our "170k" salary and just round up and be like wtf these greedy bstards make 200k a year pay them less, without having any idea of what "AC" we may or may not have by then, if it works, and how much hotter the summers will be due to global warming
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I like the tittle change. I like now, keep up the good work =). ...Feeders atm in WI with OT make between 100k and up to maybe 140k. Thats daytime drivers and over the road sleeper teams make 165k starting and one team made up to like 225k because they broke down a lot. We go off the national contract which other hubs are basically like us. Cach (Chicago) is a huge hub and get their own contract and get more than the avg feeder driver. UPS has mostly day cab drivers at every hub. They do have over the road / sleeper teams. But at our WI hub out of 200 feeder guys. We have like 20-10 sleeper/over the road teams. So everyone makes between 100k- and up to maybe 140k and a small minority make 165k+ atm and will be more once the contract is applied. And that's gross; not including benefits.
Lol In all reality who the hell is going to ship to them, so many people won’t. FedEx will boom now. Good luck retaining that “150k” nobody “needs” a ups delivery service other options out there😂
@@vikingguy2434y’all think we make a living off y’all little residential deliveries lol businesses, pharmacies,hospitals and government buildings is where ups makes it money not your little Costco or target boxes that’s why it cost a arm and leg to ship a package
Times are changing my guy not always going to be that way😂 and TRUST ME! I’m not hating I’m a civil engineer bridge designer I make way more then you. but good try, I don’t gloat about how much I “make” like you plus I pretty much sit at a desk. It’s not hating it’s fact in time people will not ship with them high prices😂 basic math my guy didn’t you learn in school🤣
UPS/Teamsters have Two Pension Plans: 25 years Part-Time, and 25 years Full-Time. Start as a part-timer, looking to become full-time...and at, say, 9 years, they give you full-time opportunity. Congratulations, your part-time pension clock is Dead and useless at 9 years, and you're on a fresh clock of zero just beginning your full-time pension clock. If you start a union job at 18, it is possible to lock in a 25 year part-time pension, then a 25 year full-time pension; it'd be crazy, but possible.
Hey Mutha Trucker, I've Been A Feeder Driver And To Let You Know Some Of The Stuff Other UPS Drivers That Are Telling You Wrong Info....Progression Is 4 Yrs And You Have To Win A Bid In Order To Gain Your Seniority Then You Are A Full-Time Employee......Feeder Driver SmartHub Atlanta...
Feeders is no place for a off the street hire believe me. Feeders is where all the high seniority guys reside you will be lucky to work 3 days a week. Depending on what hub you are at. So don't come to ups and think it's sweet and don't forget that you will more then likely be on call 24/5 with a $21 starting rate. Off the street hires are seen as unicorns in UPS, pretty much non existent. Lastly is UPS is paying 170k in salary and benefits combine better believe they making an extra 100k off of every employee working for the company
If that contract was as good as they paint it, they would have to sell it this hard. All I see is they on the mission from UPS to lock those people into a contract that is so “great” and when actual UPS workers tell the story its (contract) is just a joke.
Depends on the person. I’m happy with it. I was a 22.4 FT Combo driver and got converted to Regular Pkg Car Driver. I can bid on routes and 9.5 protections and will get top rate in 1 year.
The only people making that kind of money is sleeper-team and coming back working extra. Then yes, you can make 170k plus a yr. If you're top out packages car and feeder can make 120k+ a yr. There several of these bulletins floating around here lately. Not sure where they came from
As a feeder, I never wanted a mileage run. I did great on the out and back. 33 years at a wonderful job. I was hired off the street in 73. I think you are wrong on the time into feeders. I know you are wrong about it when I was there but must say I do not know what they have changed. Time in package or sorting does not a feeder make.
Case in point Yellow YRC granted a minimum of $10 pay increase and benefits package for employees just before the union was busted..... Now UPS is giving all kinds of wild concessions it seem UPS is expecting a much greater share of the freight market or another union bust is in progress...
We expect to grab a bigger share of the freight market. Think about it rates are low and they are making billions in free cash flow at these rates imagine when rates finally go up
@@Markgt UPS is still growing they are no where near their max potential. UPS only keep profitable accounts whereas others want to run a crazy about if volume to be profitable. This is why they sold UPS freight cuz it wasn’t really profitable
With overtime you make over 100k if you work all year. With that being said once they approve the contract they may hire more driver & cut overtime hours.
We need a universal healthcare system and more law’s guaranteeing paid time off and sick time. These should not be on the bargaining table because they’re used against the labor when in all reality they should be basic tenants for all workers. You want to add additional PTO on top of the federal mandate? Great, it’ll make your company more attractive. Companies get away with a lot of bullshit and the ones that offer a decent wage but shitty health insurance are a problem.
Yeah, but our military budget would be severely cut. We would not have the capabilities to police the world. Plus, I'm being serious here. It does support many good paying jobs in the states. Along with the high paying medical jobs. Medical jobs made the most money in 2022. So you'll never see that here. But, if you move to any of our Western protectorates, you will, Canada or any western european country.
@@roboman3737 You wouldn’t even need to “drastically” cut the pentagon budget in order to pay for a lot of the things other industrialized nations offer to their citizenry. The corporate duopoly in Washington doesn’t care either as long as it’s business as usual. For people like me we either have to swallow our pride and vote for the neo-liberal corporate candidate or allow fascists to take power and further erode our institutions.
@@tricksonafixed Perhaps, that could change if we get rid of lobbyists. Everyone has them, except the citizens of the U.S. But, they are supposedly serving our interests. Seen a story of an old lady thrown out on the street by hospital security guards because no health insurance, sad case of affairs.
@@roboman3737 That would be great but Supreme Court decided that money is speech and that lobbying is a constitutional right. That happened during Obama, but everyone wants to talk about this corruption while not recognizing the fact that now the judiciary is even more hostile towards working class people and is vehemently opposed to the will of the people. That’s what you get for electing a faux-populist Fascist who is not only a crook but a bad one at that.
I'm a feeder driver. All of you that think UPS gave us a good deal...lol Read the contract. Our president rolled over for UPS. We could have gotten way more. The part timers and people who work inside *which is not a skill job* got a awesome deal. The drivers got screwed. Everybody thinks truckers will get replaced. Cali just passed a ADMENDMENT that there will always need to be a driver in the seat even if it drives by itself. Most likely the rest of the country will follow. Look at airplanes and trains basically do everything on their own besides landing/parking/stopping, etc little things and those fields are way more easier to be taken over by AI. AI is actually looking like it is replacing white collar jobs and not blue collar jobs. Lawyers, doctors, etc. Chat bot w/e is getting better and better.
I have 2 years part time, 7 pkg car and 28 feeder. It is a very good deal. The last contract they rolled over with 4 year progression. $2.75 off the bat and over $49 at the end. On top of pension, 401k, up to 8 weeks paid (50 hours) vacation, free medical, dental, paid holidays (M L King now) and optional days. NO TOUCH freight, drop and hook, free uniforms (winter/summer), break downs on the clock. No worries about UPS going under. When will pay hikes end $100 an hour,. The public will despise us paying $20 to send a comic book across town, your ignorant and confused..
Ignorant and confused? You should look in the mirror buddy. If you have that much time in; maybe retire? I don't do a 401k because Roth is a better route and if you know what you are doing you can do better and also roll over from the 401k discount to a Roth. Pension is good but they cut it with health in half. We're in the green now so its no big deal to cut it when it can easily change and you may start crying since your close to retiring. Do you even know the vacation progression? Its dumb. You get your 8th week at 35 years and thats when you max out your pension. Its not all drop and hook. Free uniforms? What job makes you pay for uniforms?....Break downs on a clock is always given unless you're with a shitty company. Any company can go under and it does happen. If you have no worries; then you are lying to yourself but I can see you don't manage your money good maybe? I don't have worries if it does because I always have a plan. =) You clearly live in a bubble and probably would take a 5 cent raise and brag about how good it is. If they were willing to give part timers off the bat a 5 dollar raise...yeah you can expect that full timers with a skill position should get more than a 2.75 which is laughable. I laugh at all the media or guys like you that say we are at 49 dollars and that's in 5 years. Who knows what the economy will look like. I don't think you understand how much money UPS has and makes....@@busterbrown1686
Every single truck driver in America should be getting paid like this The only reason truck drivers are not and are the only industry making the same amount of money as the workers did in the '70s is because of brokers and greedy big mega companies
Too bad he didn't do crap about Yellow Freight. 22,000 Teamster jobs lost on his watch. Getting a contract with UPS wasn't that big a deal. Its not like UPS was going out of business.
This contract cuts into management's bonuses so they have a bigger attitude then during the strike of 97, they are firing people for going to the bathroom on the clock and numerous other trivial things like not wearing your seatbelt when moving the vehicle 2 feet on company property. Sure, come make good money, see if you are I've of the many that quit because of horrible treatment or the fact that you're only working one day a week for a large part of the first year. Carol got a 19 million dollar bonus last year, but I've never seen such broken down equipment and shortcuts taken in maintenance during her time here. Be prepared to be treated like a criminal instead of a professional if you come and want the money, just saying.
No. It’s all full time drivers. But $170k is the entire package. Wage, benefits and pension. The current top rate is $41 per hour. They are getting a raise to $49 per hour over 5 years. That’s it. Once you go full time driver it takes 4 years to get to top rate. So the $170k a year package will be for all top rate drivers by the end of this contract.
most package drivers won't see a/c in their trucks for 20-30 years. ups maintains those trucks well and keeps them for a very long time. only new trucks are required to have a/c. so for everyone who just got a new truck i feel for you. not to mention they probably have a fleet waiting to go one by one as they discontinue and old truck. my driver last year had a 92 international. he got a new v10 gas ford. he won't see a/c until retirement. just saying. unless the next contract addresses retrofitting.
Exactly. Saying that we’re getting A/C is a joke. Sounds good but over the next 10 years, probably less than 1% of the drivers will have A/C. Can’t believe the Union agreed to that
AC should be a requirement from OSHA. That way all carriers have to do it. Personally, I am fine with pay a few pennies more for my deliveries to see these people with AC. I live in the South and I can't imagine driving that truck around all day with no ac.
FYI - United States Postal Service (USPS) Tractor Trailer Operator (TTO) Starting salary for Part Time Flexible (PTF) is $30.93 hourly and Full Time as a career position salary starting at $61,615 annually. Increase every year around $1000 until topped out at $76,540. Mind you its OverTime pay after 8 hours and DoublePay after 10 hours a day. Shift premiums and Sunday premiums. Federal benefits and no weird pay configurations! So these annual salaries add up quickly in a year even at the base salary!!
Regardless. They're still getting paid more money than a police officer or a dentist for doing a Walmart job that people give them a free pass to do a 💩 job day to day.
Unless you have been there forever you ain't making any money. My buddy got hired there as part time (20 hours a week! ) but he had to pay union dues as if he was full time and they told him he would have to put in 10 years to maybe possibly get a chance at driving full time.
Private companies do this all the time and it's a benefit, the employers needs are met by a relocation employee and you reward that employee for filling YOUR need and that reward is to be integrated back into a better environment. The Teamster's crack one whip and the employer cracks another and 6ou revile your employer and slave for your Union. Sean O'Brien said it himself, forced enforcement to the letter of the CBA.
Private companies do this all the time and it's a benefit, the employers needs are met by a relocation employee and you reward that employee for filling YOUR need and that reward is to be integrated back into a better environment. The Teamster's crack one whip and the employer cracks another and 6ou revile your employer and slave for your Union. Sean O'Brien said it himself, forced enforcement to the letter of the CBA.
34.000 a year x 5 is 170.000 .. that man says UPS drivers over the years has been lying to all of us drivers this is what they tell us did they make $85.000 .. the guy that lives next door to me works for UPS need drives a junk car now I know why he always told me he's a Democrat now I know he's just a liar wait till I show him this
Ups will be just fine. The cliff notes of this contract are: full time ups drivers getting a $7 per hour raise over 5 years. That’s about it. The other items in this contract are not economic
People need to realize UPS doesn't make their money on home deliveries or home pick ups. The company focuses on commercial accounts as their bread and butter.
The retirement in this contract appesrs to be less. If you are not going to reach the retirement age or years of service buy the end of the contract July 31, 2023, your retirement payments are significantly less. Plese look at it and do a video.
In my opinion they are overpaid I work 40 hours a week$18 per hour no benefits no pension$41 an hours damn good money try living on 38k no benefits and I drove a semi 4 /over 25 years locally never made over 50K
well that sucks for you for even trying to better yourself or even trying to find a driving job with benefits so who's fault is that for not trying or looking hmmmm.
😂how can I respect you as a driver if you think that drivers that make more then you were making is overpaid instead of you realizing that you were being underpaid hilarious
The medical insurance and pension are great!! The part-timers need another income source to sustain. It's great for a small business hustler. You get the bag and they got the insurance. It's a deal that's better than most local and linehaul meet turn runs. Home daily.
All PT'ers hired before Aug 1st will get $2.75 and then if they're still under $21 they'll get bumped up to $21 per hour in the first year. Those hired after Aug 1'st will start at $21 and then only get .50cent raises each year for the next 4. UPS thrives on burning through the workforce as fast as possible. The more people quit and don't stay long term either PT or FT, the more they make. Thats why start pay is essentially minimum wage for the early year of FT progression and PT normal pay.
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I’ve been driving for UPS for 18 years. 170K a year includes everything. The amount of people making that money is the minority by far. Most employees are part time making sub par money. It’s all about Seniority.
Appreciate the insight!!!!
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@@danaquigley4341Had to Pin Your Comment!!!!! Exactly! Media making it sound like every UPS Driver Getting $170,000 A Year 😅
@@MuthaTruckerI was told that Feeders should go up to $49+ in 4 years, not to 44+ ? Any ideas which one is true ? 😮 Feeders are currently at $41+ so after a $7.50 increase, that could top up at $49+ ?
44+ after ratification. 49+ after end of contract
Just reached 14 months with Walmart., on pace for 120k this year. Doesn’t include account medical, and 401k match, stock purchase., vacation. Sold my truck which was hard for me to do, but it’s been the best thing for me and my family.
Are you home every day because I am and do you have a pension? And 7weeks paid vacation.I’m not knocking any company but I’m telling you it pays to stay .
Former Walmart driver. No comparison to UPS opportunity. I was there in 2020 for 2 months in Tx
@@reggiepolk980 I was just sharing where I’m at with walmart. I’ve never been a company driver before and I’m actually liking it.
@@JCox964 I was just sharing where I’m at with walmart. I’ve never been a company driver before and I’m actually liking it.
😂 let’s be honest Walmart will be around wayyyyy longer then ups sorry fan boys of the “pension”. And I’m not even a truck driver, it’s common sense ups doesn’t produce nothing what they offer a shipping service…. Okay there are plenty other cheaper options, but Walmart we as people need Walmart. But I think Walmart issssss way better but like I said I’m not a truck driver.
One very important thing: in five years 170 k will be worth like 135 k today. Especially if inflation and economy doesn’t change
Yup. It’s all for show. This contract is simply just a step in the right direction, but definitely isn’t life changing
Ok, I would be fine with $135k too.
And that’s still benefits included
So you can't control that. So that it will be with 135k means you shouldn't want the job? You are a hater!
I 100% support Unions. I am a retired Union Elevator Mechanic for Otis Elevator in Atlanta.
32 yrs. Union Elevator Trade was very good to me.
I have an EXCELLENT Pension & Insurance (Major Medical, Dental, & Vision) for me & my wife for life.
People that knock Unions.. Do NOT understand Unions 😊
Good for the teamsters. I was a FED EX Ground step van driver for 10 years. That is a tough job, In and out of that truck with 100 + stops. You deserve that and more.
then u dont know what all the other workers of usa go through which is tougher stuff. the pay gaps should not be that wide within the industry. try working for werner. or try working at grocery store with wages that don't pay bills. all jobs suck with exception of a few, and those ones abuse antitrust laws and restrict jobs creations.
it's actually not a tough job to be van drivers like that, it's actually one of the more perfect jobs. not overly physical and not underphysical, while also pays well.
i don't aim for that job is because i keep my trucking experience active, so it wouldn't make sense me do van box driving.
@@henlohenlo689 you think driving a ups package car is not physical lololol. It’s not chill. It’s 20 hours of work crammed into package car expected to get done in under 9.5 hours. You have 3 different time commit stops throughout your day. Bulk stops. Which can be anything from mall routes to industrial heavy construction rigging equipment parts. Don’t forget pickups. And best believe your truck is empty when you start your pickup string. Most likely it’s still half full. So make sure you separate pickup and delivery volume. Pickup next day air? Better make it to the drop point or your driving to the airport. Then go back and finish the deliveries. Punch out between 9-11 pm. Rinse and repeat everyday.
It was the most brutal job I’ve ever had. Mentally and physically. I was never home. Kids growing up without their dad around. I was so exhausted I slept in almost all day Saturday to catch up on sleep. Luckily I have a very understanding wife.
I’m no longer a ups driver. F that place. 16 years is all I could handle.
@@henlohenlo689 You have no clue what you are talking about. It is a very hard job. I am in and out of the truck 200 times a day. I walk 5 to 10 miles a day. If you want an 8 hr workday you have to request it the day before which they can deny. You get three 8 hour days a month. You have to be careful and do things properly every day all day so you don't get injured. Being a package driver is hard work. Period. There's a reason that very very few new hires actually stay through to the full 4 year progression and finally get the decent pay.
@@truckingbynumbers it's not a hard job compared all the trucking jobs i done.
a general person in a standing job has it tougher physically cause they don't get to sit down. dish washers have it tougher physically. foood delivery is way tougher.
teams trucking is way harder on your body. working at oak harbor they will max out your clock every day push you hours of service to the limit and you are driving over night trying to stay awake.
i had a trucking job driving all the 48 states way tougher than what any ups driver would ever or could ever do.
van box driving is like kiddie pool compared to other jobs. if you complaining about physical than dish washer is tougher than that. if physicality is what your complaining about.
@@henlohenlo689 You're incredibly uneducated about what you're talking about. Driving a delivery van is significantly more work than what you're describing. You drove 48 states, that's probably the easiest driving position you can get. I work for Werner, this is my last week there. I do Family Dollar's dedicated account out of Marianna Florida. You're delusional if you think that's not harder than 48 states. You drive and back into docks. I unload the truck myself at various stores. I also did step van deliveries for FedEx, I know what this guy is talking about. You sit in AC and do almost all highway miles on Werner's 48 states. He's in a non AC van getting out carrying packages that can go up to 150 pounds 200 times a day. That's significantly more work than a dish washer. That's significantly more work than Werner's 48 states. Teams is only hard because you don't get good sleep while the other person is driving. Again, I'm working for the company you mentioned. I also worked doing the same thing they're talking about. FedEx step van was significantly harder than my job at Werner. You're comparing two different things. The people you're replying to aren't talking about drop and hook terminal to terminal, they're talking about package van deliveries.
UPS drivers absolutely deserve this. I worked as a package handler for 2 years in the hub waiting to be a driver. I got fed up of waiting and struggling to make a living, and went into the pest control industry. At UPS in order to be a driver you must pay your dues as a package handler in the sweatshop. Hard ass work. It could take months or years to get a driver position. Then you must spend 5 years as a driver to reach top pay. These guys have to go through a lot to earn those great wages. They deserve every penny. Well done Teamsters!!!!!!
Shoot I got hired off the street as a 22.4 last year and am super blessed but this company is ruthless! I’ve been since forced inside since May in the warehouse and loading and unloading trailers. So yea it’s humbling to say the least. I guess I’m also paying my dues and building that seniority
@@ricky3015 It’ll get better. I know it’s tough. Just keep hanging in there. You’ll get a driving gig.
Ok and ? Food service drivers are package handlers ….
You have to work 60-70 hrs a week, have no family time, and be out of progression at $40+ to make that. It’s a 4 yrs progression starting at 21 dollars for drivers
Who cares they're more likely to retire by a decent age with that kind of money. Free health insurance.
@@GhostruckerX a lot of people care. People want a life outside of a job.
@@Whoisderonamen
@@Whoisderon But no one wants to work for financial freedom and put the work in for early retirement. Work life balance doesn't mean more money either. Sure it goes both ways.
You can still have a life, its called time management @Whoisderon
They’re going to work these drivers into the ground and squeeze every penny out of them until they quit.
UPS internal employment models probably show most of the drivers quiting well before the 5 year.
@@Swagalious689 not true at all. It takes so long to go full time that people stay. It took me 10 years to finally become a full time driver because movement is slow. It’s all through attrition and seniority.
I did quit though lol. 16 years and I got burnt out. Got my CDL and now Im a teamster construction equipment hauler.
Ups is a meat grinder. These guys deserve every penny they can get because it still ain’t worth it.
@@Swagalious689 Yes, for sure. In the center where I work out of they hire 2-3 times a year for full time package drivers. Very few of them stay for the 4 year progression. That's why they keep the starting wage low. I think they hired 15 or so in 2021 and maybe 3 are still there.
@@Swagalious689and that is why ups moved the progression from 2 to 4yrs. They get a 2 for 1 deal out of it. 2 new drivers making $21 vs 1 top pay driver making $41.59.
that depends on what part of the USA that you live in. Hubs yes but outlying centers no. I’m from a outlying center that I run to a hub, I take night loads and bring back preloads. I started in 05 and went ft package car driver in 07 and did it up to 2018 when I went ft feeders. It took me 11yrs to get into feeders but now I have a 4 of my co workers that just started ups less than 5yrs ago and are already in feeders
Depending on your location,most feeder, drivers work 60 hours a week here in upstate New York I’m a feeder driver was 29 years of service .up here, We make $40 an hour. $1600 for 40 hours plus $1200 a week for 20 hours of OT $2800 gross x52= $145,600 not including benefits.. by the end of this contract that will be a $3430 a week gross for 60 hours
And $178,360 a year not including benefits now this is based on 60 hours which most feeder drivers up here work so if you add in our benefits to the salaries if you’re a 60 hour guy, your total compensation will be over $200,000..
I’m a chicago local 705 member… a fully funded pension payment for a UPS driver is almost $600 per week per man.. that’s @ 32,000 dollars a year for each driver.
Yes sir I'm 710 and most people don't compute total compensation vs income.
Local 705 Chicago ✊
I have 8 yrs vested in 705. When my company went under at the beginning of '02 I found a new job. Still, 8 yrs will pay me $1010 a month when I retire. That'll help with my 401k, SS, IRA, & Mutual fund.
By the time you retire ups will go under in the current market
@@elitex50 as long as they are bringing in 500 billion in revenue, they will manage…. Fed ex has there own problems… maybe 25-30 years down the road but not soon
UPS in big cities used to be a company where a full-time employee had to pass away for a part-timer to get a full-time job opportunity… but, the part-time benefits alone made it worth being part-time but if you are after the big bucks then it may be a few years unless you catch them at a time where they’re hiring full-time drivers off of the street.
Also…. people should ask the quality of life while being employed there. UPS hours can put burdens on marriages and relationships, divorce rates were high there in 2010.
Yes we are union iam a Feeder Driver I do alot of overtime I'm a local feeder and I gross almost 200k
OTR truckers used to make $100k/yr in the 80's. 111.5% inflation since 1985 would be $211k/yr today. If the drivers are only making $170k/yr today they are effectively making less money
Most drivers that are otr are only making $60,000 - $85,000 per year
Most company drivers aren't making anywhere near 100k. Not including benefits. UPS drivers are not OTR. They have a life and get paid more than any other company.
@@Whoisderon Well it's not what you make it's what you keep. If you're eaten up with expenses doesn't matter what you make.
@@GhostruckerX what you make matters in 2023. Maybe not as much in 2013 but it’s very important and drivers are underpaid.
@@Whoisderon yes and no. Depends on what you want out of life. The guy who keeps his money OTR with no life IF planned out can easily build wealth. Then local cats who make more with more bills and responsibilities. With inflation and other things sure the dollar is worth less so that requires us to need to make more. But it's still all meaningless if you never get to keep most of it. OTR has changed my life for the better and yes it's true truckers are under paid. You could save your money buy land build storage units and buy your time back too. But it all depends how you want to sacrifice and it won't be pretty but that's life. You aren't wrong in one angle. The pure amount of dollars in my savings is disagreeing with some of what you say.
IF it's such a great " deal,....then why does it still feel like employees are being screwed over ??
Don't go running to UPS. I worked there for 2 months. I worked 10 days in 2 months. I asked the terminal manager if I could clean toilets or sweep floors. He said I could after 30 consecutive days. 2 weeks later, I went back and he said the same thing. I asked how long 30 "consecutive" days would take to get. He said 4-5 years. I informed him that I had wasted my time and his, then resigned on the spot. I was a feeder driver that made $2,000 in 2 months. Unless you're living at home with your parents in the beginning with no car note, it isn't worth it. I was on call 6 days a week, 24 hours a day. They could call at any time and I had to be there within 1 hour, no matter what.
you should sue them. they have no right to do that to workers they are violating antitrust laws. you dont need to necessarily file lawsuit but should at the very least file complaints with the govt agencies to let them know how ups treats the workers which raises clues for antitrust laws violations. the workers don't get get work or job creations while the customers don't get service or price gouged. why is this? because ups is the vessel restricting trade/job growth/service to customers/ and competition. they single handedly decide if economy grows and if people are served well or not.
This is not a regular feeder position. Also no one gets hired on permanent full time directly into feeder.
You must have been a seasonal hire or you are confusing ups with ups freight.
Also in some buildings they have “porters” which is a union position that is essentially a janitor. It’s a full time position that takes a lifetime to get. So no, you wouldn’t even be allowed to sweep and clean toilets.
Ups people also do not use the term terminal.
There is no terminal managers at ups. Completely wrong vocabulary.
@@henlohenlo689 it wasn’t a regular position. I think in the northeast and the northeast only they had part time feeder drivers. Which was a strange position that had its own contract language.
But this guys story sounds odd. Feeder is a high seniority position in every building. They do not bring new hires directly into feeder. There is an entire building full of package drivers with more seniority waiting to go feeder.
There have been instances where they hired directly off the street for feeders. They did it in 13/14 at Joh Ave in Baltimore. I went to an interview but it wasn't for me. My buddy applied and was hired. He is still there.
@@toddb3394 definitely a northeast/east coast thing. Every region has slightly different rules. I’m in the west coast. Hiring directly into feeder is not possible here. We have a 6/1 rule here. But it only goes for package driving, and they usually give that spot to a part time supe they want to become a full time driver supe
UPS will be out of business 😂
I actually hope so. Fuck em if they do.
Someone will have to pay for it and it won't just their customers doing so. They'll just hire less and work the current employees even harder.
@@steveng14043please they run 30% of Amazon why u think Amazon is building next to them without Amazon and the post office they are done . I remember back in 2006 when the usps was trying to do as ups and the cried saying the government can't make a profit
Alex! If i can figure out how to do it i could show you what made last year as a feeder driver for ups was over 200, 000. Ups feeder pay is complicated. You can make more depending the work you do we get 6th day pay (time and a half) 7th day( double time). Sleeper is premium work. Trick is you do a short sleeper run leave Tuesday come back fri, jump on the clock fri for local work and sat. If you work 10 plus hours both days your talking$ 4,600+ depending on otr miles. Some guys make 260,000 .remember a lot of the drivers these days are in progression. Ive been at ups 33yrs 6yrs part time 20yrs as package 7yrs feeder
You have to be a package car driver first. Feeder driver are seniority.
Base job too
Even if they are making that much. They work their asses off. No ac in the delivery trucks. And work long hours. Long hours!
That's including benefits package. A/C in all vehicles in this contract.
So.does.everyone else but kudos to them
That number includes pay, health benefits and pension.
does that really sound sustainable?
Let the rest of the transportation industry take notice!
Been trucking for a while now. Trucking is not what it used to be back then. I’m tired of the lack of respect for this job that most of the people are afraid of getting done.
Happy for you UPS drivers. Just wish Yellow could have stuck around. It would have been nice to still have a job. Still have yet to be told I no longer have a job..
i feel your pain. 309 driver.
And guess who gets pay the higher delivery rate?! The customer! Because UPS will need to raise rates to pay for this! Thanks!
The inflation was bound to happen anyways. The pandemic shutdown and making people stay at home screwed everything up.
Now no one wants to really work in person. And that’s on top of the fact that people in the later generations have gotten lazy.
Now it’s about trying to attract decent workers who still want to report on-site for daily duty.
Or the shareholders can stop being greedy. Thats where all the money goes. God forbid it goes to the men and women that run the company
Just like the UAW workers want more that is some of the reason why the vehicles are so high people can't afford to pay 80 to hundred thousand dollars for a vehicle people like me work just as hard as they do the prices of new vehicles is ridiculous most people can't afford them anymore me and my wife together only make around 75k a year and we have a family to feed and support but the UAW make very good money but they want people who make 15 to $20 an hour to buy them it's impossible
I did 3 years Part Time then went driving Package Car.
Total of 7 years to hit top rate ($41.51)
Got my CDL and went to feeders my 8th year (I thought it would take 15+ years)
I’m in my 9th year and am on call 24/7 for Feeder runs. Sometimes I go back to delivering when it gets really slow.
Yellow went bankrupt at $26.70/hour, not including benefits... 😵💫
Something negative will probably come out of this in the long run. Current UPS customers are going to have to cover these pay raises which means they'll be switching to fed ex, usps, etc etc. Don't be surprised if other delivery companies pop up within the next 5-10 years.
@@steveng14043 UPS has better cash flow than the competitors. It’s only 2 competitors that can handle the volume these big box stores push out. Ups also has reliable staffing far as delivery goes soon 1-2 Day delivery will be the standard everywhere soon this is one reason Amazon couldn’t just kick UPS to the curb even with their own delivery service UPS reliability is like no other
But yellow didn't have 30% of Amazon freight an a contract with the usps that how ups still exists. Remember the usps had supposedly done what ups is doing delivered product, but they fought against it crying the government is not supposed to make a profit back in 2006
@@oneone3983 USPS primary "service" is service of process, 2 is first class mail...
UPS does not deliver First Class Mail or perform service of process...
@@oneone3983 UPS exist because the e-commerce market has to be diverse in order for it to work. Remember UPS did something bold and that’s cut non profiting accounts which put everyone including Amazon to pay up Fedex followed suite . Why cuz Amazon was playing with the volume & money Fedex cut Amazon off completely which put Amazon in a corner cuz they had to commit to 1 &2 day shipping which is hard if u don’t have a sound carrier like UPS in your corner. UPS knows how to navigate the E-commerce market like no other and remember they have the highest rates but have a 99% successful delivery rate attached to them.
To deflate the owner operator market.
In Wisconsin you can get hired full time off the street you do not have to work part time!!! You will be on call sometimes but work as much as you can when you’re working and after 3-5 years you shouldn’t have to worry about being on call anymore.This is the best Driving job that I know of,I have had many driving jobs even driving over the road for six years prior.
Same in NJ. You not really call but you lie able to pick your routes every wk. They do vary based on what's left after the senior drivers pick. The only downfall is when Dec rolls around, you're out of a job until they call you back
Watch self driving vehicles steal them jobs in 5 years 😂
@@rodedawg77Exactly What we need to be worried about cause remember a Robot 🤖 Don’t need a paycheck and doesn’t protest 🪧
Even neurosurgeons aren’t safe from robots. There’s robots doing perfect sutures nowadays, nobody is safe.
Hahahaha brainless
I heard the same thing 5 years ago. I'm still behind the wheel making well over 150,000 a year.
@@Steveo_00700 150? What are you a high end lot lizard?
Part time. Meaning as in not working everyday.. you’re on call. That’s what that means for feeder driver. And then you have packages driver that convert over to feeder. They work both. Package and feeder. So if it’s so in feeder. They can go back to package. That what that mean.. so you’re basically on call for a long time.. but you have some terminals that hire off the street and they come in at full time.. so it really all depends on the city and state… you’re in
They'll pay you $170k/year after 5 years of crap, and then shortly after their 5-year marker, they'll be "let go" for some trumped-up excuse.
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1:33 is that triple H?🤣🤣🤣🤣
I drive for ABF we ratified our contract a month before UPS I’m set to make about $150k
That's ata great salary
About 1986 i worked unloading trucks, 3am. 4 pups and 1 delivery. I think $8 per hr. Unfortunately it lasted only 30days. It was like putting up hay on steroids. Trucks did not jack up and several floor latches missing. For a invome job at this level would be impossible. Only worked 3 hours per day, 5 days a week.
Well, this goes to show how having a union can line your pockets. Good for them. Hopefully some of these greedy trucking companies will follow suit and do the right thing for their drivers also. We already saw how they did nothing for us after everything we sacrificed during the lockdown.
I got a full time union driver position after 3 months as a seasonal temp driver. They had 2 retirements an 3 new spots added hub. Helps to be really good, me and my buddy were all stars as soon as we started and they told us we'd get the first 2 openings.
In ups you have the opportunity the work a lot of double time . Work vacations etc . You can make some crazy money
Jumping on at $23 as a CDL driver is still crazy. I wonder what the turnover rate is for the 4th year for drivers
No money?
but this guy says he gets paid over $40. are you getting paid $23?
As a driver at the very bottom of the seniority UPS will have you out until 10-11pm every night so yall think about that if you can’t handle long hours. We set the standard in hard work. Nothing is just given at this company, everything is earned.
Talk about inflation! Let's wait 5yrs to see how this works out.
Great show
Appreciate you
UPS could end up being Yellow 2.0
They’re not poorly managed like yellow was.
UPS is 6% of the GDP. Average MONTHLY P R O F I T is over $1 billion. Operating costs of $98 billion yearly. It's the pro league not high school.
My first year at ups.. as a feeder driver 2020 I made a 120k doing sleeper..
My main bitch about the pay package is the health and safety portion they count as benefits which I think was around $12 an hour before and I don't know what it is in this contract. I get full health care from the VA so it's redundant. I get little to no benefit from that as a single person. Let veterans that are covered from the VA opt out of that and pay us an extra $12 plus an hour. We don't need 1095 forms from UPS and the VA. Twice I've gone to the walk in clinic and given them my health coverage card from UPS but I'm in the system from the VA and they end up billing the VA anyway which is not my intention. Rant over.
As someone who has used and greatly benefited from VA benifits. This is a valid point and concern in my opinion not a rant. You are leaving that 12$ on the table along with everyone else in your situation. I’m interested to learn about an in action taken behind this!
all the attention they hoping amazon workers will unionize because they're the threat, and also they know that NEXT contract ppl will misremember our "170k" salary and just round up and be like wtf these greedy bstards make 200k a year pay them less, without having any idea of what "AC" we may or may not have by then, if it works, and how much hotter the summers will be due to global warming
In South Florida you have start on the doc and if you get picked. Can drive possibly
Looks like UPS drivers with 5 years Exp are making some great money ❤
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I like the tittle change. I like now, keep up the good work =). ...Feeders atm in WI with OT make between 100k and up to maybe 140k. Thats daytime drivers and over the road sleeper teams make 165k starting and one team made up to like 225k because they broke down a lot. We go off the national contract which other hubs are basically like us. Cach (Chicago) is a huge hub and get their own contract and get more than the avg feeder driver. UPS has mostly day cab drivers at every hub. They do have over the road / sleeper teams. But at our WI hub out of 200 feeder guys. We have like 20-10 sleeper/over the road teams. So everyone makes between 100k- and up to maybe 140k and a small minority make 165k+ atm and will be more once the contract is applied. And that's gross; not including benefits.
Exactly 💯
Chicago is the hub to work as a new driver ( off the street ) ?
If you want. I dont like the state and bigger hubs get their own contracts@@brianmitchell6309
smoke and mirrors = & r they yellow nnn like yellow have they filled bankruptcies like yellow ===$170 smoke n mirrors
Thats why full time feeder drivers dont quit
If u make it to 5 years mark--read the fine print =smoke and mirrors
I'm already pulling down $150,000 a year and that doesn't include benefits. And that's without the raise.
Lol In all reality who the hell is going to ship to them, so many people won’t. FedEx will boom now. Good luck retaining that “150k” nobody “needs” a ups delivery service other options out there😂
@vikingguy2434 , Been with the company for 17 years now. Everytime we negotiate a new 5 year contract haters like you always say the same thing.
@@vikingguy2434y’all think we make a living off y’all little residential deliveries lol businesses, pharmacies,hospitals and government buildings is where ups makes it money not your little Costco or target boxes that’s why it cost a arm and leg to ship a package
Times are changing my guy not always going to be that way😂 and TRUST ME! I’m not hating I’m a civil engineer bridge designer I make way more then you. but good try, I don’t gloat about how much I “make” like you plus I pretty much sit at a desk. It’s not hating it’s fact in time people will not ship with them high prices😂 basic math my guy didn’t you learn in school🤣
@tsmith8780 , some do but most won't.
UPS/Teamsters have Two Pension Plans: 25 years Part-Time, and 25 years Full-Time.
Start as a part-timer, looking to become full-time...and at, say, 9 years, they give you full-time opportunity. Congratulations, your part-time pension clock is Dead and useless at 9 years, and you're on a fresh clock of zero just beginning your full-time pension clock.
If you start a union job at 18, it is possible to lock in a 25 year part-time pension, then a 25 year full-time pension; it'd be crazy, but possible.
They should adjust that for inflation
Hey Mutha Trucker, I've Been A Feeder Driver And To Let You Know Some Of The Stuff Other UPS Drivers That Are Telling You Wrong Info....Progression Is 4 Yrs And You Have To Win A Bid In Order To Gain Your Seniority Then You Are A Full-Time Employee......Feeder Driver SmartHub Atlanta...
UPS is gonna have autonomous trucks and drones making home deliveries.
Hating 😂
I'd love to see a drone or robot try and deal with all the scenarios that can happen on a delivery.
Manny, are you from Yellow? Lol
It will happen. Automation has a price and human labor has a price. The moment that line crosses it will happen if you like it or not.
@@freespirit9981that’s when unions come in and protect your job
Feeders is no place for a off the street hire believe me. Feeders is where all the high seniority guys reside you will be lucky to work 3 days a week. Depending on what hub you are at. So don't come to ups and think it's sweet and don't forget that you will more then likely be on call 24/5 with a $21 starting rate. Off the street hires are seen as unicorns in UPS, pretty much non existent. Lastly is UPS is paying 170k in salary and benefits combine better believe they making an extra 100k off of every employee working for the company
Try to find a UPS terminal that is hiring full time employment
If that contract was as good as they paint it, they would have to sell it this hard. All I see is they on the mission from UPS to lock those people into a contract that is so “great” and when actual UPS workers tell the story its (contract) is just a joke.
Depends on the person. I’m happy with it. I was a 22.4 FT Combo driver and got converted to Regular Pkg Car Driver. I can bid on routes and 9.5 protections and will get top rate in 1 year.
The only people making that kind of money is sleeper-team and coming back working extra. Then yes, you can make 170k plus a yr. If you're top out packages car and feeder can make 120k+ a yr. There several of these bulletins floating around here lately. Not sure where they came from
As a feeder, I never wanted a mileage run. I did great on the out and back. 33 years at a wonderful job. I was hired off the street in 73. I think you are wrong on the time into feeders. I know you are wrong about it when I was there but must say I do not know what they have changed. Time in package or sorting does not a feeder make.
Appreciate your insight
Didn’t they just fire like 12,000 workers?
Case in point Yellow YRC granted a minimum of $10 pay increase and benefits package for employees just before the union was busted.....
Now UPS is giving all kinds of wild concessions it seem UPS is expecting a much greater share of the freight market or another union bust is in progress...
We expect to grab a bigger share of the freight market. Think about it rates are low and they are making billions in free cash flow at these rates imagine when rates finally go up
Do you believe the unions are pulling the same move to collapse the trucking industry
@@Markgt UPS is still growing they are no where near their max potential. UPS only keep profitable accounts whereas others want to run a crazy about if volume to be profitable. This is why they sold UPS freight cuz it wasn’t really profitable
Yes but we are not talking about new hires there are many drivers with lots of years that are at top pay
With overtime you make over 100k if you work all year. With that being said once they approve the contract they may hire more driver & cut overtime hours.
We need a universal healthcare system and more law’s guaranteeing paid time off and sick time. These should not be on the bargaining table because they’re used against the labor when in all reality they should be basic tenants for all workers. You want to add additional PTO on top of the federal mandate? Great, it’ll make your company more attractive. Companies get away with a lot of bullshit and the ones that offer a decent wage but shitty health insurance are a problem.
Yeah, but our military budget would be severely cut. We would not have the capabilities to police the world. Plus, I'm being serious here. It does support many good paying jobs in the states. Along with the high paying medical jobs. Medical jobs made the most money in 2022. So you'll never see that here. But, if you move to any of our Western protectorates, you will, Canada or any western european country.
@@roboman3737 You wouldn’t even need to “drastically” cut the pentagon budget in order to pay for a lot of the things other industrialized nations offer to their citizenry. The corporate duopoly in Washington doesn’t care either as long as it’s business as usual. For people like me we either have to swallow our pride and vote for the neo-liberal corporate candidate or allow fascists to take power and further erode our institutions.
@@tricksonafixed Perhaps, that could change if we get rid of lobbyists. Everyone has them, except the citizens of the U.S. But, they are supposedly serving our interests. Seen a story of an old lady thrown out on the street by hospital security guards because no health insurance, sad case of affairs.
@@roboman3737 That would be great but Supreme Court decided that money is speech and that lobbying is a constitutional right. That happened during Obama, but everyone wants to talk about this corruption while not recognizing the fact that now the judiciary is even more hostile towards working class people and is vehemently opposed to the will of the people. That’s what you get for electing a faux-populist Fascist who is not only a crook but a bad one at that.
I know a guy who hired on as a truck driver during the Holidays. UPS kept him & he's doing quite well today.
I'm a feeder driver. All of you that think UPS gave us a good deal...lol Read the contract. Our president rolled over for UPS. We could have gotten way more. The part timers and people who work inside *which is not a skill job* got a awesome deal. The drivers got screwed. Everybody thinks truckers will get replaced. Cali just passed a ADMENDMENT that there will always need to be a driver in the seat even if it drives by itself. Most likely the rest of the country will follow. Look at airplanes and trains basically do everything on their own besides landing/parking/stopping, etc little things and those fields are way more easier to be taken over by AI. AI is actually looking like it is replacing white collar jobs and not blue collar jobs. Lawyers, doctors, etc. Chat bot w/e is getting better and better.
Is driving and dilivering packages a skilled la or job
I have 2 years part time, 7 pkg car and 28 feeder. It is a very good deal. The last contract they rolled over with 4 year progression. $2.75 off the bat and over $49 at the end. On top of pension, 401k, up to 8 weeks paid (50 hours) vacation, free medical, dental, paid holidays (M L King now) and optional days. NO TOUCH freight, drop and hook, free uniforms (winter/summer), break downs on the clock. No worries about UPS going under. When will pay hikes end $100 an hour,. The public will despise us paying $20 to send a comic book across town, your ignorant and confused..
need a DL so yes and theres more schooling for CDL so yes@@rudedogcansurvive
Ignorant and confused? You should look in the mirror buddy. If you have that much time in; maybe retire? I don't do a 401k because Roth is a better route and if you know what you are doing you can do better and also roll over from the 401k discount to a Roth. Pension is good but they cut it with health in half. We're in the green now so its no big deal to cut it when it can easily change and you may start crying since your close to retiring. Do you even know the vacation progression? Its dumb. You get your 8th week at 35 years and thats when you max out your pension. Its not all drop and hook. Free uniforms? What job makes you pay for uniforms?....Break downs on a clock is always given unless you're with a shitty company. Any company can go under and it does happen. If you have no worries; then you are lying to yourself but I can see you don't manage your money good maybe? I don't have worries if it does because I always have a plan. =) You clearly live in a bubble and probably would take a 5 cent raise and brag about how good it is. If they were willing to give part timers off the bat a 5 dollar raise...yeah you can expect that full timers with a skill position should get more than a 2.75 which is laughable. I laugh at all the media or guys like you that say we are at 49 dollars and that's in 5 years. Who knows what the economy will look like. I don't think you understand how much money UPS has and makes....@@busterbrown1686
Exactly!!!!
Every single truck driver in America should be getting paid like this The only reason truck drivers are not and are the only industry making the same amount of money as the workers did in the '70s is because of brokers and greedy big mega companies
Too bad he didn't do crap about Yellow Freight. 22,000 Teamster jobs lost on his watch. Getting a contract with UPS wasn't that big a deal. Its not like UPS was going out of business.
This contract cuts into management's bonuses so they have a bigger attitude then during the strike of 97, they are firing people for going to the bathroom on the clock and numerous other trivial things like not wearing your seatbelt when moving the vehicle 2 feet on company property. Sure, come make good money, see if you are I've of the many that quit because of horrible treatment or the fact that you're only working one day a week for a large part of the first year. Carol got a 19 million dollar bonus last year, but I've never seen such broken down equipment and shortcuts taken in maintenance during her time here. Be prepared to be treated like a criminal instead of a professional if you come and want the money, just saying.
The parameter matrix to get $170K per year out of 340,000 Teamster's members maybe 10 will qualify!
No. It’s all full time drivers. But $170k is the entire package. Wage, benefits and pension. The current top rate is $41 per hour. They are getting a raise to $49 per hour over 5 years. That’s it.
Once you go full time driver it takes 4 years to get to top rate. So the $170k a year package will be for all top rate drivers by the end of this contract.
most package drivers won't see a/c in their trucks for 20-30 years. ups maintains those trucks well and keeps them for a very long time. only new trucks are required to have a/c. so for everyone who just got a new truck i feel for you. not to mention they probably have a fleet waiting to go one by one as they discontinue and old truck. my driver last year had a 92 international. he got a new v10 gas ford. he won't see a/c until retirement. just saying. unless the next contract addresses retrofitting.
Exactly. Saying that we’re getting A/C is a joke. Sounds good but over the next 10 years, probably less than 1% of the drivers will have A/C. Can’t believe the Union agreed to that
AC should be a requirement from OSHA. That way all carriers have to do it. Personally, I am fine with pay a few pennies more for my deliveries to see these people with AC. I live in the South and I can't imagine driving that truck around all day with no ac.
How is company drivers considered contractors
FYI - United States Postal Service (USPS) Tractor Trailer Operator (TTO) Starting salary for Part Time Flexible (PTF) is $30.93 hourly and Full Time as a career position salary starting at $61,615 annually. Increase every year around $1000 until topped out at $76,540. Mind you its OverTime pay after 8 hours and DoublePay after 10 hours a day. Shift premiums and Sunday premiums. Federal benefits and no weird pay configurations! So these annual salaries add up quickly in a year even at the base salary!!
U remember back in 2006 the usps was trying to do what ups is doing and if ot happen ups wouldn't be a big as they are
Boy, you just put me up on game. Appreciate it.😊
I don't care how much they pay, I'm not wearing the brown shorts and have people calling me Buster Brown and Brownie. Lol
Dude they're just blowing smoke up your caboose..😮
Thank you for always sharing latest news
Regardless. They're still getting paid more money than a police officer or a dentist for doing a Walmart job that people give them a free pass to do a 💩 job day to day.
That was a members only call. That wasn't for the public.
S.O.B. needs to find jobs for former yellow freight employees!!!!
Is UPS the next Yellow? Consolidated Freight?
More than likely but UPs will set up another company before Ups Folds!
Sleeper team’s definitely make the most
That $170k is going for senior drivers is it not? No way UPS is paying new drivers that amount.
Unless you have been there forever you ain't making any money. My buddy got hired there as part time (20 hours a week! ) but he had to pay union dues as if he was full time and they told him he would have to put in 10 years to maybe possibly get a chance at driving full time.
Be willing to relocate where no one wants to go and you will go full time quick! Then you can request a transfer to where you want to be.
Can’t transfer without souse being in military smarts
I believe this is the first contract where PT can transfer out of state without having to have a school based reason. FT unfortunately not so much.
Private companies do this all the time and it's a benefit, the employers needs are met by a relocation employee and you reward that employee for filling YOUR need and that reward is to be integrated back into a better environment. The Teamster's crack one whip and the employer cracks another and 6ou revile your employer and slave for your Union. Sean O'Brien said it himself, forced enforcement to the letter of the CBA.
Private companies do this all the time and it's a benefit, the employers needs are met by a relocation employee and you reward that employee for filling YOUR need and that reward is to be integrated back into a better environment. The Teamster's crack one whip and the employer cracks another and 6ou revile your employer and slave for your Union. Sean O'Brien said it himself, forced enforcement to the letter of the CBA.
34.000 a year x 5 is 170.000 .. that man says UPS drivers over the years has been lying to all of us drivers this is what they tell us did they make $85.000 .. the guy that lives next door to me works for UPS need drives a junk car now I know why he always told me he's a Democrat now I know he's just a liar wait till I show him this
WELP! There goes all your yellow truck drivers. Long as they have a good driving record.
Why Federal Express uses the contractor business model astounds me
The CEO better hope that stock price doesn't fall like a hot potato.
You mean everyone better that UPS stock doesn't crash , and that the economy turns around!
Ups will be just fine. The cliff notes of this contract are: full time ups drivers getting a $7 per hour raise over 5 years.
That’s about it. The other items in this contract are not economic
People need to realize UPS doesn't make their money on home deliveries or home pick ups. The company focuses on commercial accounts as their bread and butter.
Good to know. Thanks@@Steveo_00700
Freight going to be too expensive to move through ups. Enjoy the slow burn bankruptcy yellow 2.0
Unfortunately I don't trust them one bit
Nice
The retirement in this contract appesrs to be less. If you are not going to reach the retirement age or years of service buy the end of the contract July 31, 2023, your retirement payments are significantly less. Plese look at it and do a video.
Facts
Usually the truth is the opposite of what is being said. 🤨
In my opinion they are overpaid I work 40 hours a week$18 per hour no benefits no pension$41 an hours damn good money try living on 38k no benefits and I drove a semi 4 /over 25 years locally never made over 50K
well that sucks for you for even trying to better yourself or even trying to find a driving job with benefits so who's fault is that for not trying or looking hmmmm.
😂how can I respect you as a driver if you think that drivers that make more then you were making is overpaid instead of you realizing that you were being underpaid hilarious
Sounds like an Ill advised executive decision made on your end. I did touch freight for 6 months and made $43k
The medical insurance and pension are great!! The part-timers need another income source to sustain. It's great for a small business hustler. You get the bag and they got the insurance. It's a deal that's better than most local and linehaul meet turn runs. Home daily.
Home daily is tough to get enough rest. Honey do this, honey do that, falling asleep in your soup.
What they not telling is how much their union dues are going up because they're the last teamster truck company
You gotta put in time
3 to 4 yrs to start that pay
Like going to college
Wasn't it on your show someone said part-timers are only getting a $1 per hour increase?
All PT'ers hired before Aug 1st will get $2.75 and then if they're still under $21 they'll get bumped up to $21 per hour in the first year. Those hired after Aug 1'st will start at $21 and then only get .50cent raises each year for the next 4. UPS thrives on burning through the workforce as fast as possible. The more people quit and don't stay long term either PT or FT, the more they make. Thats why start pay is essentially minimum wage for the early year of FT progression and PT normal pay.