7 years working for UPS, including management, and I would never recommend it to anyone. Once they became a publicly traded company the culture of leadership changed over night and the daily stock price became the only driver for decisions. They went from building long term relationships to exploitive BS.
I don't entirely blame them... or at least, I understand part of the pressure on UPS, I do blame them for exploiting their employees but I can easily observe that Amazon starting their own delivery service had to be a huge push to " compete" by copying their model.
Sometimes I think if companies treated their employees better and instead of going public letting only the employees invest in the future of the company things would go better all the way around.
Shipping is down nation wide in general, maybe not in your area, but there isn't a magical money tree that can feed everyone if the money doesn't exist
@@xFactoryUSA , huh? Down since when? Online shopping is bigger then ever now. But, sure it's mostly Amazon doing shipping directly I guess. And from what I've heard, working for Amazon contracted delivery companies is worse then UPS.
I've heard driving for Amazon is worse then driving for UPS. Mostly because you work for a contracted company and not directly for Amazon and they get away with all sorts of stuff. Then again, working for Amazon directly even sucks. (Whether you're in delivery / warehouse OR even in the office on the tech side of things.. it's all a nightmare apparently. )
They were planning for this strike awhile ago, same with John Deere, same with the railroads, same with Starbucks, it's almost like a common strategy, drag out negotiations till inflation rises then give in to the contract, the wage asked for for years is now lower than the current inflation during signing so essentially they're paying the same thing.
My son did the UPS part time gig for 7 years before going full-time. After 7 years of that he was laid off last year. He’s now managing shipping for a private company, ‘working from home, making less $ but so much happier!
@@Summitclym Thats why you should never become a Supervisor for UPS unless you want to become FT (very hard and like u said, can get fired still) or to put on resume. If he was a package handler/driver he could not get fired unless he literally stole/lied/fought (some still able to keep their jobs lol). Going management also gives up the pension (5 yrs to qualify for base level) AND u have to pay your own health/dental.
Im a ups driver and have been with the company for 29yrs. I was part time for the first 5 years. I remember how brutal it was and how underpaid and under appreciated it was. I would work for 3am to around 8:30. By the time I got home showered and ate, it would be around 10. Slept until 1:30, picked my daughter up from school, dropped her off at my moms house, went to my 2nd job from 3pm until 11:30. Back home and in bed by 12:30am. (Slept in my work clothes to maximize sleep time) and back up at 2:30am to start the process all over again. I was grateful to finally get a full time job after those first 5 years, and progression was only 2 yrs back then. Only to work 50 to 60 hrs a week which did take a toll my on marriage. I am divorced and missed watching my kids grow up. I remember running my butt off all day, and skipping lunch just to make it to the last few innings of my daughters softball games. Which wasn’t always possible cuz you always ran the risk of having to go help someone if you got done at a decent time. All this just to say, we’ve made sacrifices throughout our whole career that no one sees and WE DESERVE A GREAT CONTRACT!!!
I am a Teamster and UPS package handler. I've been with the company for almost 6 years. UPS doesn't want you to know that I make the same amount as a new hire due to their MRA abuse. We need significant catch-up raises for us part timers who have been left behind for far too long.
I worked third shift for two years, and it's something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I was full-time and making OK-ish money, too. Certainly enough to survive on, unlike the UPS part-timers. If they strike, I hope they win.
Spent 14 years there..and I've always said that UPS has successfully pulled the wool over the entire world's eyes, fooling the public into thinking that it's such a great company. Back in the '90's one of the arguments during contract time was that the starting wage hadn't increased in over 8 or 10 years. That fact did not register with the company. Combine that with they're legendary combative and aggressive management practices in such a strenuous work environment and you have a recipe for conflict. Drivers frequently suffer multiple surgeries from injuries sustained during their work, not to mention the plethora of cuts, sprains, strains etc. that happen on a daily basis. A living wage with which you can buy a house (or just rent an apartment)...all for just driving a truck or working in a warehouse.....don't believe it!
I worked there before a long time ago. The driver retirement package was to get hurt on the job, sue, get a settlement and retire to start your own business.
Makes you wonder how all the gig economy workers who've started delivering packages and fast food are going to feel in another 5-10 years once they've blown out their back moving boxes or broken their ankle falling off an icy porch as an "independent contractor".
@@dosmastrify At what cost, when you can only work for 15 - 20 years-barring traumatic injury-before you have occupational injuries that force you to quit or work in constant pain. Also, does that apply to pay schedule 2 or is that the pay from pay schedule 1? How much overtime gets you to middle class in the smaller cities? You likely don't need it when you live in Mississippi, but if you live in Washington, the cost of living is far greater. If you live in or near a major city anywhere, you are scraping the bottom of middle class. Part-time employees won't see that at all, which is the focus of this video.
I deliver for FedEx Ground and I stand by these guys. I hope they get what they should and maybe all the attention can shed light on what we go through. At FedEx Ground we don't get any benefits and not nearly as much pay as the Guys and ladies get at UPS or FedEx Express. It is intense labor especially in the heat and it takes a toll on your personal life. Get what y'all deserve!
No, we need to stop using these mega corporation's whenever possible. Support local businesses. Everyone that bitches about rich people purchase most of there stuff on Amazon.
Yeah then theyd just hire illegals who work for nothing basically. Then getting a job would really be hard cause why pay you when they can pay the cheap mexican
@@ShadowJP3012 nobody is going to participate in a nation wide strike. There credit card balances are way too high. What needs to happen and could actually happen is for people to stop buying so much crap that they don't need. The stuff you do buy, get it from a local business, not Amazon or Walmart or any other large corporation. yeah it might cost more, but it's worth it.
thats how all of these businesses work. i managed a restaurant on the U of I campus for about 7 years and not once was ever put on as a full time employee. i didnt recognize what was really going on because of how young i was. the owner would cut every managers hours down to 35 max unless we were severely understaffed and payed nobody over 13 an hour. he hired on a ton of other in store workers to keep their hours even less than the management and eventually fired all of us managers, promoted others and hasnt paid anyone over 10 an hour since.
In Yonkers NY site there is Hipaa and OSCHA violations, regulation and laws are not applied at this location. My friend had to leave his night shift job after his criminal record had been exposed by his boss to his coworkers. Shame on you UPS. He just needed a job!!
I have been at ups as a package handler for almost a year and 9 months now and it is time that we finally strike back. We are tired of being treated like shit and they expect us to roll over. Better pay, more full time jobs and better hours. Ups has made billions of dollars and we want our share. It is not fair for us especially since we are the ones doing all of the work.
Are you filing grievances for sups working? Get that $$ my friend. Also it forces them to staff properly and lightens our workload. Make sure you file.
UPS doesn't want you there. UPS wants people to come and go and never see benefits so they can only pay benefits to those with over 4 to 5 years. They just recycle the workers.
I've been a part timer nearly two years now in the warehouse. The work is definitely tough on your body, it takes it's toll loading trailers understaffed almost constantly. UPS chronically understaffs so they can violate our contract and have supervisors do union work. They keep you tired and poor so you don't have energy or resources to stand up for yourself. And as soon as you get hurt once, you become a liability. You need strong motivation to hold down a job like this and teamsters move mountains EVERY day. Many of us are very proud of the work we do, and deserve more respect from the company. Brothers and Sisters, I can't wait to see us all benefit from whats coming down the pipe. We're almost there.
I think every job I've ever worked at in retail understaffed all the time. Corporate would always give the store managers a set number of hours they could schedule each week. My last job, a gas station, only allotted 220 hours per week, which always left us at least one employee less than we needed. I left a couple of weeks ago because of the exploitative practices. Three people left before I did, and one more after me. They were left with one employee for the store, and I'm willing to bet $1 million they won't learn from it. Most of us quit because of the raises they promised. They enticed us to apply for jobs at $17 per hour and said we'd get raises after 45 and 90 days, told us the same in the interviews, told us the same again in orientation. When the time came to give us raises, they decreased the starting pay for people that started after us to $16 per hour, and told us, "Just consider your extra dollar your raise." That is illegal in my state. Even a verbal promise _must_ be followed through with. Of course, what do you expect from Kent Oil, a business based out of Texas that refuses to allow unionization? These corporations need some bad things to happen to them. That's the only way to get any headway on them NOT violating human rights and dignity.
My GF works the Twilight shift at UPS, the same hours as the man in the video. This whole video is incredibly validating. The finacial concerns and workplace culture issues are very real and span the whole country. I remeber her telling me when their wage was reduced back to $16, i was livid for her. Standing strong with the Teamsters 💪
@@rockon8174 That was my mindset too, I'd be outta of there so fast if I got a $5 pay cut. This is happening everywhere. Ultimately their pay was re-adjusted back up 3 dollars (at least until the new contract). Part of the reason she stayed was the low interaction with other people. Confrontation and dealing with customers is not her stong suit. I'm the opposite, I'd deal with people and get overwhelmed by the volume of packages. There are some upsides to staying with UPS, I hope the union makes some big headway on fair employment contracts, it's well deserved.
Im also a upser. was part time for 4 years been a driver for about 6. what they put us though during the pandemic was brutal with nothing to show for it other than physical and metal stress. Still even now 3 years later im still struggling with what happened. UPS has made record profits off our backs just so the CEO can make millions in bonus's.
nothing was worse than my company as a fuel hauler cutting our hours so bad to where I was making 300-400 dollars a week while other fuel companies were being given 1k a week to get by. My company did some illegal stuff and a lot of people at my job had to get loans to get by as the rest of people who got laid off in the country were taking home over 1k a week in free money, that's what it is to be an "essential" worker i guess.
I worked for UPS during the pandemic, from 2021 to 2022 as a part-timer. When I started, our hourly wage was $14.50. Eventually, it was bumped up to $17.00, then $19.00, and finally $21.00 at peak season that winter. Without any warning, after that peak season, our wages went all the way back down to $15.00. A month later, our supervisors passed out paperwork that made us sign, acknowledging our wage decrease. A month. An entire month between when our wages were cut, and when we had to sign that we acknowledged that. It was absurd. Not to mention the short hours and massive volume, start times getting pushed back to insane degrees, and expected to move the same (or larger) amount of volume in much less time. I was a primary worker. It was frowned upon to turn off your belt to catch up with the absolutely absurd volume of packages. But if you didn't, packages would be sent to the wrong secondary locations. Overall, the entire experience was an exhausting, frustrating, and defeating mess that eventually began to take a toll on my mental health, so I had to quit. I hope this upcoming strike does good for the hundreds of thousands of workers still facing these issues.
Why the regrets? I remember seeing those ups ads and they were clear offering up to $ 22.00/h for part time job ONLY for that season, so I told to my self that is not for me and found something else. 🤔
You just work there for the benefits. They only make the new people stay the whole 4 hours. That’s how it was in Northbrook Illinois. Nobody ever gets full time.
I've managed a lot of UPS employees at their second jobs. Totally disrespectful they expect their employees to have to find another job that will work around a different company schedule. But even 8 years ago we dealt with it because they would show up whenever they got done. DOL should have done something about the part-time work a long time ago
The shifts only run 4 hours and then the tractor trailer drive for 4 hours that's how much of the network is configured. It's not to just screw the little guy. Full-time inside inside job that UPS involves being at work at least 9 hours sometimes 10 or 11, there has to be a split between shifts for the facilities to get cleaned out
@@dosmastrify-- there doesn't "have" to be a split. Employees could load for 4 hours then drive for up to 4 hours or drive and then load or *'gasp'* clock out early. A company can restructure work flows around their employees. It's just a hell of a lot harder than playing a worker-placement game.
Your talking out your ass. There doesn't have to be a split. I'm from UK, ex Royal Mail manager and was also a distribution network manager. These centres are running 24/7. The only reason for making most staff part time is that you pay less employer tax/ national insurance/ state employer tax than you do on a full time staff member.
I did about 3 months being a package handler back in 2018. The turnover was so high that I was one of the longest tenured when I quit at 3 months. We were so short staffed that I was loading 5 trucks by myself at one point. One morning they had a round of about 10 new people they were showing the ropes in preparation for the looming "peak" season I kept hearing from the veterans, and not a single one came back after the first day. There was one driver who bragged about how much money he made, but I always called BS because he would join us at 4am to load packages and then delivered until 7 or 8 at night. TBH I didn't hate it, it was a second job for me, but once I got fulltime at my primary job I handed in my notice immediately lol.
And the part that hurts the most? Him loading trucks in the morning and then driving all the way till 8 p.m. at night. That's the way they FOOL you into busting your ass even longer to get a bigger paycheck. It really isn't equal to the value of labor that one person puts in.
@@riverjordan2010 they boost the costs of/for goods and services. All the while our wages stay stagnant. They "bait and switch" with tiny increments in pay increases but make it just enough to get by on. THEN sell you the idea of coming in more to stack the money up. You double your efforts to make the increase work in your favor, giving more productivity and clearing out the excess or backlog. They cut the workforce to "save money" since the productivity is up and it "seems" as if they don't need as many employees. But it's ACTUALLY to keep the profits made from said output increases. When the load starts to really grind at the workforce, causing incidents or mistakes to happen, they use it as an excuse to start trimming away the pay package that was previously "upped". Which leads to folks quitting and the company in question blaming the everyone BUT themselves as to why folks don't wanna come back.
It sounds to me like the fastest way to break this treadmill isn't a strike per se but for every employee to work their shift to rule and refuse all overtime and unscheduled shifts. If the company wants people to work full-time hours it should be continuously compelled to give them full-time status and a guarantee of full-time hours.
@@riverjordan2010 100.000 divided by 52 weeks in a year is 1900 per week. 25 dollars an hour x 40 hours = 1000. Add another 30 hours at time and a half (37 per hour) and you're already past the 1900 mark. In other words? He's making 22-24 an hour. That's not a good wage anymore when your average rent is 2k and average house price is 300k. I always laugh at these idiots who can't do the simple math. That's chump change to put one's health at risk, and UPS loves having baboons like this who can't crunch the numbers. I always laugh at these clowns.
I was a part time loader/ unloader/ sorter from 1986 -1989. one time I was watching a training film for drivers, where they counted the steps you take from the truck to the house you were delivering too. crazy stuff. they worked ungodly hours back then too.
Solidarity from the outside! ✊️ There are millions of us out here right behind you guys! Labor is making a comeback and it takes all of us. Stay strong. Union strong!
I think it was more of a part timers don't care thing and voters not voting, with a mail in ballot, was horrible. Thank god that they got rid of the 2/3 majority rule.
That's something that started earlier, even before the public stock offering. The part-timers are less likely to vote/participate in union activity, which makes the union more likely to give up something at the low end of the pay scale in order to gain more for those with seniority and full-time jobs.
The pattern is right there when you look at it. Things get better for a while right after the strike and the company retains a bunch of new staff. 10 years later when those new guys are fat and comfortable the company pleads poverty and demands cuts. The fat and comfortable guys let the most recent batch of new guys get slapped in the face so the comfortable guys don't have to sacrifice anything. The company keeps turning the screws for 5 or 10 years until the comfortable guys are all gone and another strike happens. Picture a boot stamping on a human face. Forever.
Part timers don't vote. They just complain how much drivers make. Every single contract, drivers always advocate more pay for part timers. You would know that if you went to a proposal meeting...or any union meeting for that matter. At the end of the day, part timers lack solidarity. The numbers don't lie.
I used to be an UPS employee, the tough environment was sometimes painful to get through. I left UPS because it was just too stressful & that's how the higher ups want it, they have run with a policy of "hire & fire" as rapidly as possible so that people don't get the benefits full timers may get. That was about 20 years ago & sadly it seems very little has changed.
And that is the nail on the head, imho. It's a hire and fire mentality. It is 100% exploitation what happens to people. What's worse is the fact the corprate jerkoffs know they can get away with it. If they are caught, it's easier, in some but not all cases, to pay a fine vs fixing the problem(s).
Not entirely true. First, it's hire and they quit. Second having a well-trained reliable worker is worth the extra couple bucks an hour that those workers make
@@dosmastrify they quit because the higher ups push the employees as much as possible without angering the union reps, I've only met a few managers that actually cared for their employees & yeah, they won't fire an employee, unless they have reason & evidence that the union can't argue with.
I had a supervisor that did that during Covid. She would have so many new drivers in routes set up for failure since they were routes a new driver couldn't do in less than 10 hours. She was about to disqualify me had I not been poached by another center the day before she was going to dismiss me
I've been working for Amazon for 6 days now, and I can't believe that some of these people who have been working for a couple of years dealt with this BS in the delivery industry every day with low pay!
I have been with UPS for 25 years. It took me 8 years to get a full time job and 20 years to get a good job that I can be happy with. When I started at UPS, minimum wage was $5.50 and the starting wage at UPS was $8.50. It was a competitive wage, now that minimum wage in Oregon is $14.50 that's what the new employees make. I feel sorry for the new guys, they can not afford to live on their own.
I have been with UPS for 23 years this coming August, and I worked in the Preload for 5 years and a Package Car Driver for 18 years. I worked two jobs when I was a part-time worker, but only one being in the Package Division. Without UPS, I would not have any better pension and benefits from other employers outside of UPS.
I worked for UPS, on the Twilight shift, for 6 years. It got me through school. I worked there starting around 2002, and my wages were less than my dad, who worked there in the 1970s. I made $8.50, my dad made double that. Not inflation adjusted. 20 years later, I have arthritis as a 40 year old. The job just destroyed the bodies of people who worked there. I loaded trailers all night, and in my case it was boxes and boxes of hymnals. Please do whatever it takes to fix this. I’ve no concerns for the financial interests of a company that treats humans this way.
And the company will continue to treat people this way until you start to call out the assholes that support this bs in the name of "capitalism" (as if its the most important thing, AND as if it couldn't happen to them)
I hated working there too. It's hostile. This lady said she wanted to slap me for working so slow. Had to bite my tongue with people because people can't just shut up and do their work.
When they send you someone like that it means they want yo to quit. UPS is not pro employees. They want part timers, seasonal workers, etc. just for a couple of weeks. That way they never see the benefits they pay to the Union members. They are doing the same thing with me, pairing me with youngsters that want to just break you. No way packages can be unloaded safely the way they do when they try to break you. UPS is in the business of recycling employees.@@dollymae3383
It won’t change anything except ups will have positions that won’t come open because people will stop quitting and make it a career… only opening that will stay open is loading and unloading or if someone retires and or the city is growing
As a "Purchasing and Procurement Manager" at my current job, I am absolutely *dreading* this inevitable UPS strike... But on the other hand: As a hardcore lefty and believer in workers' rights, I *can't wait* for this inevitable UPS strike. I don't mind being miserable in my shitty job for a little while as long as it means that other people are truly getting the compensation that they deserve.
Hard core lefty. Do you really think Biden has your back? I'm going from homeless under Obama to getting a job a vehicle buying a home under Trump.... Now back to... I'll be homeless here in about 2 weeks under Biden... I'm 57 now.... In tears now.... Please don't vote Biden again. I won't make it...
Been a UPS driver for 3 years now and I worked at Amazon before this. If anyone at UPS whines about the job, I suggest they go work part time at an Amazon warehouse for a few days. Amazon will bust your ass so hard that UPS will feel like a paid vacation.
I am retired, but I wholeheartedly support All the UPS employees. Our country has gone down the tubes due to poor leadership in Washington. And this only adds fuel to the fire that has gone out of control. To much micromanagement from the government and company CEO's.
China has overrun ups they make huge super centers now so you don’t even see your co workers much so you can’t talk about change with eachother or unionize ….
Definitely push back. I have been chewed up by jobs very similar to this and was always depressed by how all of my coworkers seemed to accept the status quo at their own expense because of the very effective war against organized labor. So many of us are out here rooting for you 🤝
It's truly sad, I feel for the part timers. My friend was a full time driver for decades.(now retired). The work was hard, he said he was always a slave. In "the day" it was worthwhile as far as pay and benefits. but that was decades ago. Only greed and manipulation now. So sorry.
Was a driver for 20 years. Pay is really good for full time drivers, but I grew to hate it. You’re a prisoner with golden handcuffs. My wife hated me because I was in such a pissy mood when I got home every day. Leaving was the best decision I ever made.
I was a Teamster driving a cement mixer, and it was the same story with the company management. They always want you on the bubble, so they can fire you. That is the playbook for companies that have to deal with a union. It's a game, and they are great at it!!
I drove a concrete mixer for seven years as a non-union driver, for $ 10.50/hr, no benefits whatsoever. I liked the job because I was home every day, met many good, hardworking people at construction and oilfield sites. The pay just wasn't worth a rip.
Part time is not a bad gig. The raises are guaranteed, we get free, amazing, health insurance, and there are tons of opportunities for extra $ (grievance checks and extra shifts). It's a great part time job. I'm making more part time at UPS than I was at my previous full time job.
I did a little holiday work for UPS. It was horrible. Not enough people, loading multiple trucks, struggling to keep up with the belt, my back was killing me and the pay was $1 above the pay for working at fast food places. They also weren't supposed to have packages over a specific weight for a single person and I had multiples that were 80, 90, and 100lbs and everyone was so slammed that I had to load them myself. Posted "UPS annual gross profit for 2022 was $74.152B" They have more than enough to pay real wages and stop screwing over their workers.
yeah it should not exceed 70 lbs bro istg i be gettin a lot of 80 lbs 90 and 100 lbs packages And you right, ppl cant really help you load those cauz they usually have some just like u😂😂😂😂😂
@@poisonduckee Yep! I say UPS should just let them strike and see how long they last without any pay. If those employees are not happy, they don't have to work there.
@@georgekazanchyan4976 I think UPS should just pay them a decent wage and avoid the strike. All companies should for that matter. They are destroying the economy while the government is subsidizing it. I for one don't think we should give wealthy people and companies the power to take all of the money. That is stupid.
@@poisonduckeetechnically, if you refuse to go back to work, you actually aren't unemployed, you're considered "outside the workforce" regardless there's no labor shortage and never was, there's a good pay shortage
I worked seasonally around 2018, and knew many, many people that were in some way stuck and trapped in their position. I'd even say most. One person I knew had been a package handler like me for 10 years. Let me tell you, that is not a great life.
The work also breaks your body over time. The number of older guys with chronic back pain, sprains, strains, and joint issues, just from the constant lifting, twisting and dragging, is mind-blowing. But as soon as you're not fit for work due to injury sustained in the workplace, they have no further use for you. You're just a replaceable cog.
I worked there for 12 years all together (I left once then came back) and I couldn't take it anymore and left. I couldn't make much money and my brother and I worked super hard and were constantly harassed by my full time supervisors. We had some of the best pph and if we dropped even a little because of exhaustion or whatever they would come in a berate us for it. So this video is full of so much truth. I stand with all of the employees.
As an hourly at ups for over 30 years I don't believe you. I clearly understand you.may have had a few jack azz supervisors but you can't have one for 12 years
i actually considered it because university of louisville has an agreement with them where you get a giant scholarship if you work the graveyard shift, but it sounded way too good to be true
that's basic late stage capitalism, you are only allowed to live and exist if you take part and become a wage slave like the others, otherwise you are shunned from society and the economic system
Alternatively, find a better job in the trades where they'll pay you to learn and then you'll have a good job and health insurance at the same time. Don't just toss your hands in the air and cry victim. Do something about it.
former UPS employee here. The opening sequence is so fucking ON POINT!!! NEVER get to be with your family, work you like a dog and hang a carrot in front of you to tease a promotion and give you a route...
@@TheOtherOtherMikeand UPS still hasn't done a single thing to install AC into any of the package trucks, yet expect you to find a package within fifteen seconds when you get to your next stop no matter what nor what weather conditions you're in. Bunch of BS
been working for UPS 15 years preloading in Florida and it's HORRIBLE! warehouses are so hot and dont care about our safety and struggling to even get 3 1/2 hours everyday
I hope all you UPS WORKERS get your raises and benefits. I firmly believe you all deserve it as I’m one that does considerable E Commerce purchasing and see plenty of those brown UPS trucks in my area and neighborhood. I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST
My take: I worked p/t for UPS during college; nights M-F, 5-9'ish, 1978-82. Thereafter I worked all the Xmas slams, etc. in the Browns. It was a GRIND then! The package rates/expectations were insane. And now....nothing has changed! In the summers it was so hot on the various sort lines in the warehouse that on the breaks we would run thru the truck wash stations to cool off. Just get SOAKED. And now UPS is whining about actual air-conditioning in the trucks? INSANITY. I think management needs to take a few days in the field, making deliveries- to REMEMBER the grind that drivers, sorters, ALL package handlers go thru. And EXPERIENCE every day. I'm with the employees.....they've EARNED it.
This is so awesome! My son worked for UPS for about a year. They always had 0 injuries on the injuries thing! It turned out they just never report the injuries. My son was injuried when o box too nig for the conveyer belt came down. He worked for them back in 2017. It's the same facility though that a young man died at in Kansas City Mo in 2020. I hope that these works are able to unionize and getting what they deserve!!!!
I started at UPS in March of 2000 on the ramp in Louisville on a belly crew loading packages into the bellies of airplanes. 4 mos later promoted to part time supervisor a year later right after 9/11 promoted to a full time non union position as a flight crew scheduler. At first everything was cool. Got treated well, made lots of friends and I looked forward to going to work. When I got around those airplanes I knew I’d be there till I die that’s how much I loved it. We were a family atmosphere (at least my little corner of it was) and we were always playing jokes on each other and made the best of it. Once I got into flight crew scheduling at first it was much of the same atmosphere. The going public was still in its infancy and the suck hasn’t really had time to manifest itself yet. Slowly but surely they started eliminating all of the things that made the job elite and special. But I loved it still nonetheless. I was one of the best schedulers the department ever had. I put the company’s needs ahead of my family’s on multiple occasions. Always available for overtime there was nothing I wouldn’t have done for them. 15 years later of unwavering loyalty making $32.35 an hour I got called into the office over a few clerical decisions I made that for some reason after 15 years of not minding how we got the job done now all the sudden this stuff was an issue. After a humiliating hour in the office being belittled by these idiot managers that couldn’t schedule their way to the shitter on a bet they sent me home. Next day I was terminated. This was in 2014. This is how they do their good employees that share certain values and beliefs that differ from the UPS management narrative. Meanwhile dirtbags that do the bare bones minimum come to work looking like they got shot with a double barrel wrinkle gun call sick on weekends when we are minimum staffed get to retire. I pray those responsible for terminating me and everyone they love burn in hell for all eternity.
I unloaded trucks for a few months around 2004. I quickly moved on to a full time job after I quickly got automotive certification. Sounds like nothing has changed. Thank God I didn't get sucked in.
@vizerandevir6422 the protestant work ethic _is_ the capitalism. "Be thankful for work" is such a stupid fucking maxim that helps no one but the rich.
As a USPS employee I think many of us wish we had a union like UPS. At least they have balls to say "no deal". Postal unions can't say no and they can't strike... What good is a union at that point?
Electric utility retired manager here. We even got IBEW, A/C in trucks back in the mid 80's. They had some juice then. Then we called them Temp employees, before they could get on board as a F/T with all pay/benefits. These companies have taken it new levels to do more and get more from workers, with less pay for more profit and Unions were powerless to stop it. Same in the RR industry with PSR.
@@Filling_tags At USPS you aren't stuck as a part timer with low hours and low wages. Most people I know that work at USPS work full time and get like $1-$1.50 pay raises each year
As a Purple semi-truck driver, I really hope the workers of UPS get what they deserve and don't have to go on strike. I wish the current company I work for would provide benefits but that will never happen as it's a company of third-party contractors all trying to fill their retirement accounts.
They caught me as well. I applied for the Driver Helper which was originally $21 an hour here in New York. But all of a sudden, I check back and the pay is now $16.20
As a college professor/teacher/instructor in California I feel this. 17 years, part time, and there is no "advancement path" for teachers the only way they can get to a full time position is if the administration gives the department permission to do so, then it's a fight against every other person who wishes to apply for it as it has to be a public search, and as a part time worker for the school the only advantage you get is a "tie breaker" but considering all those decisions are made behind closed doors there practically is no advantage, the last position I applied for (one of 3 that opened up in the last 17 years I've been there) it was told to me by the department chair that they made the decision that there were too many men in the department so wanted to pick a woman... oh if I only had a recorder on at the time maybe I could have used that to my advantage. As a part timer we're paid less of a wage than full time on an class for class basis even though we are required to go to department meetings and the like, our benefits are less, retirement security is non-existent, and to make things work, we often have to teach in multiple counties because there's a limit on how much we can teach in any one county so "they don't abuse part timers" ... yeah that's working out great. Often part time instructors teach more classes than full time in multiple districts and still don't make the same as a full time instructor.
There is a whole country for public union jobs, you could find a full time public union job in many parts of the country, but a few or several factors keep you from making such change, which are all personal...
Not a California hater, but I'd suggest leaving California if you're trying to teach undergrads. There are other universities out there looking for instructors while located at places with a substantially lower cost of living. I'm not trying to put anyone down or anything, just some food for thought.
I worked part time there from 1995 to 2001, went from loader to sorter, went from $8 an hour to $14.25 when i left. For me it was a great way to make money while getting my college education! It was tough, very labor intensive! I could not imagine doing this for a living!
Sounds like this should be a job new entrants to the national workforce would do to "get started". Like McDonald's, or Walmart, or your local grocery store. Sounds like you'd have to be crazy to make this a career. But if you do make it a career, what are they complaining about? It's not like they didn't know the pay and benefits schedule BEFORE they signed up.
I did the same. And what I've seen the Union & ups are fucking the workers over. Does anybody find it fucked up that you have to pay a Union fee (literally pay to work)/ then state tax/then federal / a tax on the gas to get to work/ tax on the food for lunch/ we need to pay insurance to drive/ registration fee, inspection sticker etc.. taxes, fees, fines, tickets.
@@viking956you don't have any idea how difficult working for that company is. Its not a "get started" job, unlike flipping burgers you're loading trailers or package trucks with over 400 packages each in a 3-5 hour span and the weight variances are all over the place, in my time working there a lot of people had severe back injuries even when trying to lift safely.
Everyone’s got answers and advice until they’re in that position themselves. I’ve been in situations like this. It sucks. You feel hopeless and worthless and trapped. The problems here are fundamental. Work load is higher, yet pay is lower and there’s less hours. Clearly there’s a need for this industry. Where is all this money going?
We have wonderful UPS delivery people ! Never ever saw one that wasn't pleasant . They rush, rush, rush , summer heat, snow storms, and just the best ! Always feel for them and try to run out with a drink or treat. Half the time I don't move fast enough to catch them ! They deserve anything they get ! Long overdue ! A THOUSAND CHEERS TO THE BEST MEN AND WOMEN EVER !! GOD BLESS THEM !
No it’s not, I think these workers have become spoiled, UPS is a company that anybody would want to work at, it’s the same as those people saying Disney isn’t a good company to work for, total nonsense….
@@DROIDFARM I have never worked for UPS I have tried to apply and get a position at UPS because it’s a very good company and job to have and is why it’s so competitive to get hired for UPS…..
There’s also something weird going on with UPS where they will mark something delivered that has never gone out on the truck. The only reason I know this is my regular, UPS driver and I researched the package. Basically they’re trying to make it look like drivers are stealing and they’re not. Also, this cannot be flipped a reason to say that they are stealing because these things have little to no value for anyone, but the rare people who choose to buy them
Nobody is trying to frame drivers for theft. We can steal anything we like anytime we want. Put the conspiracy theories to rest. We make more money than our supervisors, we have no need to steal and the current management is too stupid to fire anyone, let alone frame them for theft.
Most theft at ups is by management. Ups will set you up to see if you are a thief. They will be recording you, if they are setting you up, to be fired.😊
I worked part time doing graves at UPS. The major reason part time employees aren't being taken care of is because they don't participate in the union as much as the drivers.
It's a chicken and egg thing. If the full timers are also not looking out for the part timers, then they is little reason for the Parr timers to be involved. Especially of they get thrown under the bus. Over the past twenty years have seen companies wedge union members in ways like this.
This whole video is completely accurate 👌 I'm a 22.4 and really looking forward to being coverted to full time driver. Even tho I know I'll be doing the same BS graveyard shift work, not getting enough hours, and only being on a route on Saturdays. I'm still salty that none of us got Hazard Pay during covid while most Americans were sitting home making double their usual pay a week on unemployment 😤
I'm a twilight package handler off of the Hub in San Gabriel Valley, CA, and I would just at least, like the bare minimum, would want retroactive pay for all the "Hazard Pay work" we did during the pandemic. I still look at my paychecks during that time and see that we were only getting paid 15$ an hour and the only boost in income was from the Forced OT. I was really surprised when my brother who filed for unemployment during the pandemic, was making more than me a month even with the forced OT. I was working 12+ hours a day and on Saturdays and still never saw the amount that my brother was making on unemployment... I hope this new contract does good for all partimers and 22.4s
@danwilliams7362UPS treats feeder drivers like gold and everyone else like trash. Every single guy that goes into Feeders says it's lime working for an entirely different company. ✌🏼
@@brainskullsI’ve worked out of the SGV hub and it’s the worst of them all, no respect, no integrity. UPS and Teamsters are a mafia. Bunch of drug addicts working there.
The part time workforce is the exact reason UPS is so successful. They held their starting wage at $8 dollars an hour for decades. While they where bringing in billions
It used to. And that's how America functions, by trying to keep up the lie about that. It's something we've been told since very young. "Stick to your company and they'll reward you."
I only work in a UPS Store- which is a franchise. But i will say that the volume increase has been staggering. The amount of work i do now vs. when i started 7 years ago is at least double after the pandemic and peoples addictions to e commerce. Some days it just makes you want to cry. Pay these men and women commensurate with the value theyve provided to the company.
DSA is enacting a strike-ready program to support UPS workers if they strike. If you want to help support that, I guess just Google it (sorry, I don't have a link handy).
Way to represent the DSA, bud. I wonder why they have such a terrible time organizing with the gumption of folks like yourself who couldn’t even bother to locate the necessary information before opening your mouth. Seriously make them look like a group of idiots through your association. If you gave a damn you’d delete this bullshit.
Currently suing UPS and the Union. It’s been 3 and a half years and my trial is set for late December. The union and management worked together to fire me, when I ruptured my patella tendon in my knee. The corruption in this company is honestly astonishing. They know they’re wrong, but will not admit it until they’re caught red handed. So we wait till trial, unfortunately. Anybody that feels they are getting mistreated. Don’t be afraid to stand up to the company and the union.
I did preload three years. Then I transferred to another state. Did preload two weeks, performed well. Then some shitty supers put me on unload, a job I've never done, then promptly fired me when I struggled. My union rep was on vacay that week. My preload sup was out sick. I got railroaded right out. Currently waiting for the situation to settle one way or the other so I can begin job hunting.
Good luck. You will need lots of luck. If your case is not dismissed. You will need a lawyer that will represent you and have the evidence to prove your case. The government wont be on your side. I will go to court for you to let the court know ups victimized lots of workers , like youself.😊
I had worked part-time at UPS third-shift for 8 years until summer of 2015. Thankfully, I was only there for college -- I know, it took me far longer than it should have -- and I hated every bit of it. Even after I received my degree, I tried to change positions at UPS where I could put it to use, because they did have great benefits with its health insurance and pension, but they expected me to quit AND THEN APPLY for the position -- with absolutely no guarantee if I'd get the position of not. Not only was that ridiculous for the more obvious reasons, but it would've meant I'd lose my 8-year seniority, which is a thing that's incredibly important to UPS workers.
Geez man that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, and it happened less than a decade ago? Everything about UPS seems so backwards I truly feel for anyone who gets trapped in that soulless company.
@@SeniorBillzy Thankfully, my dad doesn't have long until retirement -- about a year-ish tops. But yeah, his injury happened a few years back, and the thing going on with Liberty Mutual, the accident, and the nurse & the recording happened less than a month ago.
@@SeniorBillzy Oops! I thought your comment was in response to the comment I left on the video about Liberty Mutual having PIs follow UPSers around where I commented about how my dad was going through that now. Sorry about that. 😅
@@MDN891 I fail to see why that offer couldn't be made to full-timers. Granted, I needed to stay part-time due to my school schedule, but there may be some who may need that if they wish to go back to school. Aside from that, I still don't understand the reason why they won't hire internally for positions that required college degrees that they paid for.
Without a Union, many jobs were like this. Unions made the 8 hour day the norm for sectors that had never been Unionized. Same with overtime safety, pay, benefits, and wages. UNIONS MADE THE LARGE MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA HAS HAD SINCE WWII. BIG BUSINESS has systematically attacked the idea of.unionizing for ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY.
Only there for a year and a half. But besides the benefits, there's no reason to work there. If you can find a different job that offers similar benefits, take that. Its rough on the body, especially during summer, unloading trailers while its 104f.
The rail unions have an agreement with the government in their contracts where they can bust the strike. UPS teamsters have no language in our contract that gives the government to do that they couldn't do anything to stop a strike. They may however be able to force UPS to accept a contract 😎
@RedLion502 they can't. That's what I was saying. The rail unions on the other hand can have congress force accept their contracts. Pretty bs if you ask me
My dad is a ups semi driver, my boyfriend is a ups delivery driver, and my boyfriend and I’s roommate is a part time ups warehouse worker. I support them and hope they get what they’re hoping for from this strike!! Seeing my boyfriend come home everyday and the toll this job takes on him and not getting the pay he deserves sucks!
I have been driving for a year and worked as preload for a year. It is very hard work but it is rewarding. The insurance (covers your whole family for free) is amazing. I’m at 24/hr and makin better money then I ever have. 3 more years and I’ll be at almost 50 an hour. Can’t wait. I’ll be going and picking out a new truck lol.
I use to work at UPS during the later half of the pandemic. I lasted about 5 months, before that I worked for both UPS and then Fed Ex when I was in college decades ago. Big changes within the company it was never ideal but when I was in school it seemed tolerable in going back the first thing I noticed was the bad attitudes and anger just like the first young man said. It felt like a prison. I also notices the depression and emptiness. I worked the same 2 am to 8 am shift. If 100 folks came in only 10 where working, the warehouse lived on a handful of young dudes who treated the job like a workout, hoodie up headphones on. The job also had a few women on the job that I absolutely avoided as they did less work than the lazy and manipulated the supervisor to get them or others to do their trucks. I am not trying to be overtly religious but I will never forget everytime i would walk into that warehouse it was like walking through a fog of a deep spirit. Like something just hung over the building that caused so much negativity. Like a huddling of the working poor caused demons to hang around and feed off their despair.
Well, spiritual thing or an accumulation of stress hormones so deep it's soaked into the fixtures, or just the anxiety a social animal has knowing that Noone nearby is happy or even content.
UPS said they’d have me work 10pm-2am 5 days a week. They actually had me stay till at least three am every day. When they started keeping me till 5 or six I texted my supervisor that I was done. I was 17, trying to balance school and work as a senior in high school.
I interviewed for a UPS about 13 years ago. The hours, the pay, and expectations all seemed out there. I wanted more than part-time. That's what they were hiring for, so I passed. I've never gave it a second though.
As a former part time loader and package drlivery driver for eleven years from 1988 to 1999 I experienced the 1997 strike. I will refrain from making negative comments about my previous employer. I did not have a good experience and I would not recommend that ANYONE work there!
As the son of a celebrated trade union local business manager I feel for them and has made me rethink what I buy and how its shipped. I wish UPS was better to their workers.
I work for ups have been there for 11 yrs. I worked pre load for 3 yrs put in my time doing that and Became a cover driver during that time and then eventually made full time after 4 yrs. It’s the best job I have ever had. Sure it’s hard and not for everyone especially if don’t like manual labor.
A strike would be devastating, but it would create some amazing solidarity among workers and show some of these corporations who they’re messing with. I read that the negotiations around non-economic issues have been going well-so here’s to hoping UPS bargains fairly on the economic stuff! But if not, the working class has your back! Solidarity forever!
Why do they force people to work there? It's insane that no one there can quit and go somewhere else. Do they kidnapping you at gunpoint every day and force you to stay? Hold your kids hostage?
@@Lemmon714_ So there’s a couple things here that are wrong. One, you assume workers should be flexible and corporations should be able to do what they want. If you like the work that you do in some way, or if it is the best fit for your skill set, location, or lifestyle, then you should fight to make it work best for you and those around you. Your view encourages corporate dictatorship, where notions of democracy only apply in the search for a job but never in the actual work. Two, the full-time UPS positions, though not perfect, are jobs that can support decent lives. These part-time workers are led to believe they’ll eventually get there and then never do.
ALL of this-true & infuriating. I worked for UPS as a sorter & then PT SAFETY Sup for 11 yrs; stayed for the benefits. The wages are a huge issue BUT so is the SAFETY culture (or lack thereof)-the hyprocrisy pissed me off to no end. From handling pkgs to hydration to wellness to INJURIES, it was all an fn show for the company's audits. I worked so hard to make positive changes and only got pushback from higher ups. I stand with all of you teamsters!
Here in Southern Nevada it gets to 115 degrees F and what do I see. UPS delivery trucks driving down the road with both doors open. How much extra does it cost to put A/C in a truck when UPS buys them by the thousands?
I'm 35 and my whole life has been blistering work and getting fired after... now i just save for the next eventual tragedy... In America you have no future and your kids have no future
This is so true. Been working for UPS for decades. What the company doesn’t show is upper management is so disconnected from the people on the front lines producing the work that produces the revenue. We are all numbers to them. It’s soul crushing. Why do I work there?? Because the pay and benefits are great. The customers are even better. Wonderful people!!! Our customers!!!😀😀😀I love them. But upper management had told their souls to the corporate devil to get their piece of the pie. They know it’s wrong, they know it, but in my 45; years there, I’ve yet to see a UPS manager go to bat for us. Really!!! Why should they??? We are union, so there’s no mercy. Upper management has convinced them to see us less than human . I absolutely believe that. Why else world they violate the contract on a regular basis?? They can read. Upper Management has convinced them, that workers are dishonest, lazy, untrustworthy. So treat them accordingly!! But this is common knowledge. So sad!!!!😥😥😥😥😥
When I started as a part timer at UPS over 20 years ago the pay was way better compared to minimum wage. But now it seems like minimum wage out pays UPS. I am now a FT service provider (delivery driver) and that's where the pay is but it's def not fair compared to what the pt loaders and unloaders do for us.
@@dosmastrifyI make 90 @ ups. Not a driver. 30+ year employee. I live in a low cost of living area. UPS needs to seriously compensate those employees who work in the high cost areas such as Cali or the Northeast. Personally, I never understood why someone would want to live in those areas anyway. Unless someone can't leave those areas due to Family obligations and the like, they'd be much better off leaving there and moving somewhere where there money really goes a long way.
Unions suck, I have worked for the teamsters for 40 years and I have many friends who were no union truck drivers and other trades, they were much better off being non union after retiring then I was when it came to how much we got In Retirement , the only ones making money In The union are the local president and union bosses ,they waste all our money on lobbyists and we end up with Minimul gains.
@@donm3844 you sound like a company management bot saying the same bs. Go back to your air conditioned office and think up more bogus discipline write ups.
7 years working for UPS, including management, and I would never recommend it to anyone. Once they became a publicly traded company the culture of leadership changed over night and the daily stock price became the only driver for decisions. They went from building long term relationships to exploitive BS.
Wow, amazing how UPS they exploited they worker’s…
I don't entirely blame them... or at least, I understand part of the pressure on UPS, I do blame them for exploiting their employees but I can easily observe that Amazon starting their own delivery service had to be a huge push to " compete" by copying their model.
@@kiltedcrippleall these corporations have the same problem. Quarterly earnings calls.. they have to appease their shareholders.
The problems of going public. Couldn’t agree more.
Sometimes I think if companies treated their employees better and instead of going public letting only the employees invest in the future of the company things would go better all the way around.
As an Amazon Driver I stand with y’all 100%. We’re really getting lowballed
frr i thought UPS was the next step up even them getting exploited crazy world we live in
Shipping is down nation wide in general, maybe not in your area, but there isn't a magical money tree that can feed everyone if the money doesn't exist
@@xFactoryUSA , huh? Down since when? Online shopping is bigger then ever now. But, sure it's mostly Amazon doing shipping directly I guess. And from what I've heard, working for Amazon contracted delivery companies is worse then UPS.
I've heard driving for Amazon is worse then driving for UPS. Mostly because you work for a contracted company and not directly for Amazon and they get away with all sorts of stuff.
Then again, working for Amazon directly even sucks. (Whether you're in delivery / warehouse OR even in the office on the tech side of things.. it's all a nightmare apparently. )
Do Amazon Drivers get pay raises?
Corporate greed is the new norm in the US and workers are suffering for it.
New?
Go read up on the history of the labor movement.
New?
yeah it's an old norm for this country that's just peaking yet again
They were planning for this strike awhile ago, same with John Deere, same with the railroads, same with Starbucks, it's almost like a common strategy, drag out negotiations till inflation rises then give in to the contract, the wage asked for for years is now lower than the current inflation during signing so essentially they're paying the same thing.
It's a founding norm, my friend.
My son did the UPS part time gig for 7 years before going full-time. After 7 years of that he was laid off last year. He’s now managing shipping for a private company, ‘working from home, making less $ but so much happier!
That place is a shit hole he got lucky to espace
U dont get laid off at UPS. Thats impossible. Thats why we have a union. I think your son got fired and did not tell you the truth.
@@vowish5319 You do huh? 😂 He was in management and many other managers were laid off as well. Management is not represented by the union.
@@vowish5319bro I worked at Harley and we would get laid off all the time
@@Summitclym Thats why you should never become a Supervisor for UPS unless you want to become FT (very hard and like u said, can get fired still) or to put on resume. If he was a package handler/driver he could not get fired unless he literally stole/lied/fought (some still able to keep their jobs lol). Going management also gives up the pension (5 yrs to qualify for base level) AND u have to pay your own health/dental.
Im a ups driver and have been with the company for 29yrs. I was part time for the first 5 years.
I remember how brutal it was and how underpaid and under appreciated it was. I would work for 3am to around 8:30. By the time I got home showered and ate, it would be around 10. Slept until 1:30, picked my daughter up from school, dropped her off at my moms house, went to my 2nd job from 3pm until 11:30. Back home and in bed by 12:30am. (Slept in my work clothes to maximize sleep time) and back up at 2:30am to start the process all over again.
I was grateful to finally get a full time job after those first 5 years, and progression was only 2 yrs back then. Only to work 50 to 60 hrs a week which did take a toll my on marriage. I am divorced and missed watching my kids grow up. I remember running my butt off all day, and skipping lunch just to make it to the last few innings of my daughters softball games. Which wasn’t always possible cuz you always ran the risk of having to go help someone if you got done at a decent time.
All this just to say, we’ve made sacrifices throughout our whole career that no one sees and WE DESERVE A GREAT CONTRACT!!!
That story sounds very familiar.
Thank you. Your hard work makes our modern lives possible.
*No time to move on and stop being a 'sIave'..."
I am a Teamster and UPS package handler. I've been with the company for almost 6 years. UPS doesn't want you to know that I make the same amount as a new hire due to their MRA abuse. We need significant catch-up raises for us part timers who have been left behind for far too long.
Doesn't the union negotiators cover that?
That sounds like new hires are paid way too much
@@bidmcms3 $16 is too much?
Same at the A-Zon like the pandemic people just need to quit in mass again.
It is infuriating to me that devoted workers like you do not get the compensation you deserve. More power to you and to your peers!
I worked third shift for two years, and it's something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I was full-time and making OK-ish money, too. Certainly enough to survive on, unlike the UPS part-timers. If they strike, I hope they win.
That’s in any field though. What about third shift fire fighters or cab drivers or nurses?
why strike? just find a new job lmao everyone needs a CDL driver
Spent 14 years there..and I've always said that UPS has successfully pulled the wool over the entire world's eyes, fooling the public into thinking that it's such a great company. Back in the '90's one of the arguments during contract time was that the starting wage hadn't increased in over 8 or 10 years. That fact did not register with the company. Combine that with they're legendary combative and aggressive management practices in such a strenuous work environment and you have a recipe for conflict. Drivers frequently suffer multiple surgeries from injuries sustained during their work, not to mention the plethora of cuts, sprains, strains etc. that happen on a daily basis. A living wage with which you can buy a house (or just rent an apartment)...all for just driving a truck or working in a warehouse.....don't believe it!
But driving a truck your actually CAN.
They make 95k a year
I worked there before a long time ago. The driver retirement package was to get hurt on the job, sue, get a settlement and retire to start your own business.
Makes you wonder how all the gig economy workers who've started delivering packages and fast food are going to feel in another 5-10 years once they've blown out their back moving boxes or broken their ankle falling off an icy porch as an "independent contractor".
@@Grizabeebles They will be thrown on the scrap heap.
@@dosmastrify At what cost, when you can only work for 15 - 20 years-barring traumatic injury-before you have occupational injuries that force you to quit or work in constant pain.
Also, does that apply to pay schedule 2 or is that the pay from pay schedule 1? How much overtime gets you to middle class in the smaller cities? You likely don't need it when you live in Mississippi, but if you live in Washington, the cost of living is far greater. If you live in or near a major city anywhere, you are scraping the bottom of middle class. Part-time employees won't see that at all, which is the focus of this video.
I deliver for FedEx Ground and I stand by these guys. I hope they get what they should and maybe all the attention can shed light on what we go through. At FedEx Ground we don't get any benefits and not nearly as much pay as the Guys and ladies get at UPS or FedEx Express. It is intense labor especially in the heat and it takes a toll on your personal life. Get what y'all deserve!
This video is 💯percent right on .. I was 14 years part -time and finally became a feeder driver and was told I wouldn't top out for another 4 years
All power to the Teamsters in this fight, my wife and I will be the first ones on the picket line with ya'll with home cooked meals.
Thank you for the support.
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Wow! That's awesome of you both!
Thanks for your support.
This whole country needs to go on strike. One day would cost the executive class billions. We need to remind them who really does the work.
No, we need to stop using these mega corporation's whenever possible. Support local businesses. Everyone that bitches about rich people purchase most of there stuff on Amazon.
That would only increase their use of temporary workers
Yeah then theyd just hire illegals who work for nothing basically. Then getting a job would really be hard cause why pay you when they can pay the cheap mexican
The only issue is we don’t unite smh
@@ShadowJP3012 nobody is going to participate in a nation wide strike. There credit card balances are way too high. What needs to happen and could actually happen is for people to stop buying so much crap that they don't need. The stuff you do buy, get it from a local business, not Amazon or Walmart or any other large corporation. yeah it might cost more, but it's worth it.
They could hire half those part timers and turn em full time. Just want to keep the wages low.
And avoid providing benefits like health insurance.
Full time usually includes benefit; they aren’t cheap.
thats how all of these businesses work. i managed a restaurant on the U of I campus for about 7 years and not once was ever put on as a full time employee. i didnt recognize what was really going on because of how young i was. the owner would cut every managers hours down to 35 max unless we were severely understaffed and payed nobody over 13 an hour. he hired on a ton of other in store workers to keep their hours even less than the management and eventually fired all of us managers, promoted others and hasnt paid anyone over 10 an hour since.
@@rarecandy3445they deserve to go into the hole.
Part time gets Health Insurance after 9 months at UPS. Source I work for UPS.
I work at UPS as a part time preload since 2019 and yeah it does make u depressed, tired, angry, and muscley.
The job is great, its the other stuff (Sups, coworkers, bs)
Then quit
@@i_i8924 Managers too*
In Yonkers NY site there is Hipaa and OSCHA violations, regulation and laws are not applied at this location. My friend had to leave his night shift job after his criminal record had been exposed by his boss to his coworkers. Shame on you UPS. He just needed a job!!
Muscley?
I have been at ups as a package handler for almost a year and 9 months now and it is time that we finally strike back. We are tired of being treated like shit and they expect us to roll over. Better pay, more full time jobs and better hours. Ups has made billions of dollars and we want our share. It is not fair for us especially since we are the ones doing all of the work.
Are you filing grievances for sups working? Get that $$ my friend. Also it forces them to staff properly and lightens our workload.
Make sure you file.
Always file. Dont back down from signing those papers
No one makes you so the job it's solely your choice. There's lot of jobs out there. Go find another one if you hate it so much.
A whole almost 2 years lol. I was part time 7 and a half. You will get what you want when you earn your driver position.
UPS doesn't want you there. UPS wants people to come and go and never see benefits so they can only pay benefits to those with over 4 to 5 years. They just recycle the workers.
I've been a part timer nearly two years now in the warehouse. The work is definitely tough on your body, it takes it's toll loading trailers understaffed almost constantly. UPS chronically understaffs so they can violate our contract and have supervisors do union work. They keep you tired and poor so you don't have energy or resources to stand up for yourself. And as soon as you get hurt once, you become a liability. You need strong motivation to hold down a job like this and teamsters move mountains EVERY day. Many of us are very proud of the work we do, and deserve more respect from the company. Brothers and Sisters, I can't wait to see us all benefit from whats coming down the pipe. We're almost there.
You’re part time, learn a new skill and get a better job
I think every job I've ever worked at in retail understaffed all the time. Corporate would always give the store managers a set number of hours they could schedule each week. My last job, a gas station, only allotted 220 hours per week, which always left us at least one employee less than we needed. I left a couple of weeks ago because of the exploitative practices. Three people left before I did, and one more after me. They were left with one employee for the store, and I'm willing to bet $1 million they won't learn from it.
Most of us quit because of the raises they promised. They enticed us to apply for jobs at $17 per hour and said we'd get raises after 45 and 90 days, told us the same in the interviews, told us the same again in orientation. When the time came to give us raises, they decreased the starting pay for people that started after us to $16 per hour, and told us, "Just consider your extra dollar your raise."
That is illegal in my state. Even a verbal promise _must_ be followed through with. Of course, what do you expect from Kent Oil, a business based out of Texas that refuses to allow unionization? These corporations need some bad things to happen to them. That's the only way to get any headway on them NOT violating human rights and dignity.
Why don’t you just become a driver if you don’t like the warehouse work??
@WaqasKhan-hx4hw because it takes God know how long to become one. At least 3 years minimum but more like 5 and even then its not guaranteed.
@@OutofTime.. I’ve heard otherwise some say 2 sun say 6 months some say 3yrs some said 15yrs
Keep fighting the good fight , never settle for anything less. Please support our union brothers and sisters.Solidarity forever!!!
My GF works the Twilight shift at UPS, the same hours as the man in the video. This whole video is incredibly validating. The finacial concerns and workplace culture issues are very real and span the whole country. I remeber her telling me when their wage was reduced back to $16, i was livid for her. Standing strong with the Teamsters 💪
At that point she should've left for another job.
@@rockon8174 That was my mindset too, I'd be outta of there so fast if I got a $5 pay cut. This is happening everywhere. Ultimately their pay was re-adjusted back up 3 dollars (at least until the new contract).
Part of the reason she stayed was the low interaction with other people. Confrontation and dealing with customers is not her stong suit. I'm the opposite, I'd deal with people and get overwhelmed by the volume of packages.
There are some upsides to staying with UPS, I hope the union makes some big headway on fair employment contracts, it's well deserved.
twilight is at night dummy
teamsters are controled opposition
Im also a upser. was part time for 4 years been a driver for about 6. what they put us though during the pandemic was brutal with nothing to show for it other than physical and metal stress. Still even now 3 years later im still struggling with what happened. UPS has made record profits off our backs just so the CEO can make millions in bonus's.
nothing was worse than my company as a fuel hauler cutting our hours so bad to where I was making 300-400 dollars a week while other fuel companies were being given 1k a week to get by. My company did some illegal stuff and a lot of people at my job had to get loans to get by as the rest of people who got laid off in the country were taking home over 1k a week in free money, that's what it is to be an "essential" worker i guess.
I work in feeders in Michigan. I hope you and I get everything we deserve because we work damn hard for what we get now and we deserve better
I worked for UPS during the pandemic, from 2021 to 2022 as a part-timer. When I started, our hourly wage was $14.50. Eventually, it was bumped up to $17.00, then $19.00, and finally $21.00 at peak season that winter. Without any warning, after that peak season, our wages went all the way back down to $15.00. A month later, our supervisors passed out paperwork that made us sign, acknowledging our wage decrease.
A month.
An entire month between when our wages were cut, and when we had to sign that we acknowledged that. It was absurd.
Not to mention the short hours and massive volume, start times getting pushed back to insane degrees, and expected to move the same (or larger) amount of volume in much less time. I was a primary worker. It was frowned upon to turn off your belt to catch up with the absolutely absurd volume of packages. But if you didn't, packages would be sent to the wrong secondary locations.
Overall, the entire experience was an exhausting, frustrating, and defeating mess that eventually began to take a toll on my mental health, so I had to quit.
I hope this upcoming strike does good for the hundreds of thousands of workers still facing these issues.
Why the regrets? I remember seeing those ups ads and they were clear offering up to $ 22.00/h for part time job ONLY for that season, so I told to my self that is not for me and found something else. 🤔
What would of happened if you didn’t sign the pay decrease acknowledgement?
You just work there for the benefits. They only make the new people stay the whole 4 hours. That’s how it was in Northbrook Illinois. Nobody ever gets full time.
Fight fo hours rather than get a better job. Get into a trade. If not, you have a choice.
I recall their advertisement for hire was shady AF , never even approached - How do walk into a situation like that not knowing
I've managed a lot of UPS employees at their second jobs. Totally disrespectful they expect their employees to have to find another job that will work around a different company schedule. But even 8 years ago we dealt with it because they would show up whenever they got done. DOL should have done something about the part-time work a long time ago
The shifts only run 4 hours and then the tractor trailer drive for 4 hours that's how much of the network is configured. It's not to just screw the little guy.
Full-time inside inside job that UPS involves being at work at least 9 hours sometimes 10 or 11, there has to be a split between shifts for the facilities to get cleaned out
@@dosmastrify-- there doesn't "have" to be a split. Employees could load for 4 hours then drive for up to 4 hours or drive and then load or *'gasp'* clock out early.
A company can restructure work flows around their employees. It's just a hell of a lot harder than playing a worker-placement game.
Your talking out your ass. There doesn't have to be a split. I'm from UK, ex Royal Mail manager and was also a distribution network manager. These centres are running 24/7. The only reason for making most staff part time is that you pay less employer tax/ national insurance/ state employer tax than you do on a full time staff member.
I did about 3 months being a package handler back in 2018. The turnover was so high that I was one of the longest tenured when I quit at 3 months. We were so short staffed that I was loading 5 trucks by myself at one point. One morning they had a round of about 10 new people they were showing the ropes in preparation for the looming "peak" season I kept hearing from the veterans, and not a single one came back after the first day.
There was one driver who bragged about how much money he made, but I always called BS because he would join us at 4am to load packages and then delivered until 7 or 8 at night.
TBH I didn't hate it, it was a second job for me, but once I got fulltime at my primary job I handed in my notice immediately lol.
And the part that hurts the most? Him loading trucks in the morning and then driving all the way till 8 p.m. at night. That's the way they FOOL you into busting your ass even longer to get a bigger paycheck. It really isn't equal to the value of labor that one person puts in.
@myronaustin Is a 6 figure paycheck even worth it if you work 70+ hours per week?
@@riverjordan2010 they boost the costs of/for goods and services.
All the while our wages stay stagnant.
They "bait and switch" with tiny increments in pay increases but make it just enough to get by on. THEN sell you the idea of coming in more to stack the money up.
You double your efforts to make the increase work in your favor, giving more productivity and clearing out the excess or backlog.
They cut the workforce to "save money" since the productivity is up and it "seems" as if they don't need as many employees.
But it's ACTUALLY to keep the profits made from said output increases.
When the load starts to really grind at the workforce, causing incidents or mistakes to happen, they use it as an excuse to start trimming away the pay package that was previously "upped".
Which leads to folks quitting and the company in question blaming the everyone BUT themselves as to why folks don't wanna come back.
It sounds to me like the fastest way to break this treadmill isn't a strike per se but for every employee to work their shift to rule and refuse all overtime and unscheduled shifts.
If the company wants people to work full-time hours it should be continuously compelled to give them full-time status and a guarantee of full-time hours.
@@riverjordan2010 100.000 divided by 52 weeks in a year is 1900 per week. 25 dollars an hour x 40 hours = 1000. Add another 30 hours at time and a half (37 per hour) and you're already past the 1900 mark.
In other words? He's making 22-24 an hour. That's not a good wage anymore when your average rent is 2k and average house price is 300k. I always laugh at these idiots who can't do the simple math. That's chump change to put one's health at risk, and UPS loves having baboons like this who can't crunch the numbers. I always laugh at these clowns.
I was a part time loader/ unloader/ sorter from 1986 -1989. one time I was watching a training film for drivers, where they counted the steps you take from the truck to the house you were delivering too. crazy stuff. they worked ungodly hours back then too.
Solidarity from the outside! ✊️ There are millions of us out here right behind you guys! Labor is making a comeback and it takes all of us. Stay strong. Union strong!
Are you in another union? You should sign up, we could use you.
@JohnJones-qj8dm Unfortunately, no. Just a regular working class shlub, but I know how important the fight is.
The Union caved
@@matthewharper7333 Union members have not approved the contract yet
@@matthewharper7333 it is not a union but controled opposition... power is taken not given.... revolution NOW
The 2018 contract was a slap in the face to part-timers
Why didn't they vote? Only 44% voted
I think it was more of a part timers don't care thing and voters not voting, with a mail in ballot, was horrible. Thank god that they got rid of the 2/3 majority rule.
That's something that started earlier, even before the public stock offering. The part-timers are less likely to vote/participate in union activity, which makes the union more likely to give up something at the low end of the pay scale in order to gain more for those with seniority and full-time jobs.
The pattern is right there when you look at it.
Things get better for a while right after the strike and the company retains a bunch of new staff.
10 years later when those new guys are fat and comfortable the company pleads poverty and demands cuts.
The fat and comfortable guys let the most recent batch of new guys get slapped in the face so the comfortable guys don't have to sacrifice anything.
The company keeps turning the screws for 5 or 10 years until the comfortable guys are all gone and another strike happens.
Picture a boot stamping on a human face. Forever.
Part timers don't vote. They just complain how much drivers make. Every single contract, drivers always advocate more pay for part timers. You would know that if you went to a proposal meeting...or any union meeting for that matter. At the end of the day, part timers lack solidarity. The numbers don't lie.
I used to be an UPS employee, the tough environment was sometimes painful to get through. I left UPS because it was just too stressful & that's how the higher ups want it, they have run with a policy of "hire & fire" as rapidly as possible so that people don't get the benefits full timers may get. That was about 20 years ago & sadly it seems very little has changed.
And that is the nail on the head, imho. It's a hire and fire mentality. It is 100% exploitation what happens to people. What's worse is the fact the corprate jerkoffs know they can get away with it. If they are caught, it's easier, in some but not all cases, to pay a fine vs fixing the problem(s).
Not entirely true. First, it's hire and they quit. Second having a well-trained reliable worker is worth the extra couple bucks an hour that those workers make
@@dosmastrify they quit because the higher ups push the employees as much as possible without angering the union reps, I've only met a few managers that actually cared for their employees & yeah, they won't fire an employee, unless they have reason & evidence that the union can't argue with.
I had a supervisor that did that during Covid. She would have so many new drivers in routes set up for failure since they were routes a new driver couldn't do in less than 10 hours. She was about to disqualify me had I not been poached by another center the day before she was going to dismiss me
You get the benefits after 9 months …. Not bad
I've been working for Amazon for 6 days now, and I can't believe that some of these people who have been working for a couple of years dealt with this BS in the delivery industry every day with low pay!
I have been with UPS for 25 years. It took me 8 years to get a full time job and 20 years to get a good job that I can be happy with. When I started at UPS, minimum wage was $5.50 and the starting wage at UPS was $8.50. It was a competitive wage, now that minimum wage in Oregon is $14.50 that's what the new employees make. I feel sorry for the new guys, they can not afford to live on their own.
I have been with UPS for 23 years this coming August, and I worked in the Preload for 5 years and a Package Car Driver for 18 years. I worked two jobs when I was a part-time worker, but only one being in the Package Division. Without UPS, I would not have any better pension and benefits from other employers outside of UPS.
And you screwed the younger guys to keep it. YOU are the problem!
I worked for UPS, on the Twilight shift, for 6 years. It got me through school. I worked there starting around 2002, and my wages were less than my dad, who worked there in the 1970s. I made $8.50, my dad made double that. Not inflation adjusted. 20 years later, I have arthritis as a 40 year old. The job just destroyed the bodies of people who worked there. I loaded trailers all night, and in my case it was boxes and boxes of hymnals.
Please do whatever it takes to fix this. I’ve no concerns for the financial interests of a company that treats humans this way.
And the company will continue to treat people this way until you start to call out the assholes that support this bs in the name of "capitalism" (as if its the most important thing, AND as if it couldn't happen to them)
At least you had Jesus on your side.
I hated working there too. It's hostile. This lady said she wanted to slap me for working so slow. Had to bite my tongue with people because people can't just shut up and do their work.
When they send you someone like that it means they want yo to quit. UPS is not pro employees. They want part timers, seasonal workers, etc. just for a couple of weeks. That way they never see the benefits they pay to the Union members. They are doing the same thing with me, pairing me with youngsters that want to just break you. No way packages can be unloaded safely the way they do when they try to break you. UPS is in the business of recycling employees.@@dollymae3383
I’m not a UPS driver but 100% behind them. Because if they get higher pay, other jobs like it will pay more one way or another
No. Not how it works. Do you see Amazon paying more? Nope.
It definitely doesn't work that way. Ask a FedEx Express or FedEx Ground driver.
I’m just saying. If wages go up for some people, it can’t be bad for other jobs raising their wages
It won’t change anything except ups will have positions that won’t come open because people will stop quitting and make it a career… only opening that will stay open is loading and unloading or if someone retires and or the city is growing
@@barakjohnson9931my friend is career there. He gets paid good money and has minimal responsibility.
As a "Purchasing and Procurement Manager" at my current job, I am absolutely *dreading* this inevitable UPS strike... But on the other hand: As a hardcore lefty and believer in workers' rights, I *can't wait* for this inevitable UPS strike. I don't mind being miserable in my shitty job for a little while as long as it means that other people are truly getting the compensation that they deserve.
Wow.
Hard core lefty. Do you really think Biden has your back?
I'm going from homeless under Obama to getting a job a vehicle buying a home under Trump.... Now back to... I'll be homeless here in about 2 weeks under Biden...
I'm 57 now.... In tears now.... Please don't vote Biden again. I won't make it...
Strike isn't inevitable. Watch the contract negotiations, teamsters largely happy with current results
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Thank you for your support.
Been a UPS driver for 3 years now and I worked at Amazon before this.
If anyone at UPS whines about the job, I suggest they go work part time at an Amazon warehouse for a few days. Amazon will bust your ass so hard that UPS will feel like a paid vacation.
Were you hired off the street to drive or did you have to put in time in the warehouse as a part-timer?
I am retired, but I wholeheartedly support All the UPS employees. Our country has gone down the tubes due to poor leadership in Washington. And this only adds fuel to the fire that has gone out of control. To much micromanagement from the government and company CEO's.
China has overrun ups they make huge super centers now so you don’t even see your co workers much so you can’t talk about change with eachother or unionize ….
Definitely push back. I have been chewed up by jobs very similar to this and was always depressed by how all of my coworkers seemed to accept the status quo at their own expense because of the very effective war against organized labor.
So many of us are out here rooting for you 🤝
You are free to find another job
It's truly sad, I feel for the part timers. My friend was a full time driver for decades.(now retired). The work was hard, he said he was always a slave. In "the day" it was worthwhile as far as pay and benefits. but that was decades ago. Only greed and manipulation now. So sorry.
Was a driver for 20 years. Pay is really good for full time drivers, but I grew to hate it. You’re a prisoner with golden handcuffs. My wife hated me because I was in such a pissy mood when I got home every day. Leaving was the best decision I ever made.
I was a Teamster driving a cement mixer, and it was the same story with the company management. They always want you on the bubble, so they can fire you. That is the playbook for companies that have to deal with a union. It's a game, and they are great at it!!
I drove a concrete mixer for seven years as a non-union driver, for $ 10.50/hr, no benefits whatsoever. I liked the job because I was home every day, met many good, hardworking people at construction and oilfield sites. The pay just wasn't worth a rip.
Part time is not a bad gig. The raises are guaranteed, we get free, amazing, health insurance, and there are tons of opportunities for extra $ (grievance checks and extra shifts). It's a great part time job. I'm making more part time at UPS than I was at my previous full time job.
Cali is expensive as is but can’t expect to survive off one part time job. I wish them luck. We definitely deserve more
I did a little holiday work for UPS. It was horrible. Not enough people, loading multiple trucks, struggling to keep up with the belt, my back was killing me and the pay was $1 above the pay for working at fast food places. They also weren't supposed to have packages over a specific weight for a single person and I had multiples that were 80, 90, and 100lbs and everyone was so slammed that I had to load them myself.
Posted "UPS annual gross profit for 2022 was $74.152B"
They have more than enough to pay real wages and stop screwing over their workers.
And do you think they will pay you or care about you ?
UPS isn’t for everyone I guess
yeah it should not exceed 70 lbs
bro istg i be gettin a lot of 80 lbs 90 and 100 lbs packages
And you right, ppl cant really help you load those cauz they usually have some just like u😂😂😂😂😂
And people these days wonder why so many young people refuse to go back to work( after the pandemic) !
Good idea Every worker nationwide .. in every field.. should just stay home n work from home.
To be fair, unemployment is under 4%... People are back to work.
@@poisonduckee Yep! I say UPS should just let them strike and see how long they last without any pay. If those employees are not happy, they don't have to work there.
@@georgekazanchyan4976 I think UPS should just pay them a decent wage and avoid the strike. All companies should for that matter. They are destroying the economy while the government is subsidizing it. I for one don't think we should give wealthy people and companies the power to take all of the money. That is stupid.
@@poisonduckeetechnically, if you refuse to go back to work, you actually aren't unemployed, you're considered "outside the workforce"
regardless there's no labor shortage and never was, there's a good pay shortage
I worked seasonally around 2018, and knew many, many people that were in some way stuck and trapped in their position. I'd even say most. One person I knew had been a package handler like me for 10 years. Let me tell you, that is not a great life.
The work also breaks your body over time. The number of older guys with chronic back pain, sprains, strains, and joint issues, just from the constant lifting, twisting and dragging, is mind-blowing. But as soon as you're not fit for work due to injury sustained in the workplace, they have no further use for you. You're just a replaceable cog.
Get out of dodge. California living expenses are insane
@@MushookieManand moving expenses aren't?
Why didn’t he become driver??
@@StuartBailey-re4mhhow hard can driving class be?
I worked there for 12 years all together (I left once then came back) and I couldn't take it anymore and left. I couldn't make much money and my brother and I worked super hard and were constantly harassed by my full time supervisors. We had some of the best pph and if we dropped even a little because of exhaustion or whatever they would come in a berate us for it. So this video is full of so much truth. I stand with all of the employees.
As an hourly at ups for over 30 years I don't believe you. I clearly understand you.may have had a few jack azz supervisors but you can't have one for 12 years
23 years working part-time and I am so ready for the fight...
Taking a chit job because you need health insurance. Yay America!
i actually considered it because university of louisville has an agreement with them where you get a giant scholarship if you work the graveyard shift, but it sounded way too good to be true
that's basic late stage capitalism, you are only allowed to live and exist if you take part and become a wage slave like the others, otherwise you are shunned from society and the economic system
Alternatively, find a better job in the trades where they'll pay you to learn and then you'll have a good job and health insurance at the same time.
Don't just toss your hands in the air and cry victim. Do something about it.
@@socrazybmxUnionising isn’t « crying victim » and is, in fact, doing something about it.
@@socrazybmx or just unionize and do something about it like you told them to.
former UPS employee here. The opening sequence is so fucking ON POINT!!! NEVER get to be with your family, work you like a dog and hang a carrot in front of you to tease a promotion and give you a route...
How long do you work per day?
@@trainsandlocomotives 10-11 hours, 6 days a week. I was a 22.4 driver
@@TheOtherOtherMike 6 days a week!
@@TheOtherOtherMikeand UPS still hasn't done a single thing to install AC into any of the package trucks, yet expect you to find a package within fifteen seconds when you get to your next stop no matter what nor what weather conditions you're in.
Bunch of BS
I hope the Strike costs them Billions! Go Teamsters!!!
Good luck people! Those of us businesses who depend on you are also cheering for you. Get what you deserve!!
Worked 1 year as a feeder driver . A classless and clueless company with AHOLES in mgmt
been working for UPS 15 years preloading in Florida and it's HORRIBLE! warehouses are so hot and dont care about our safety and struggling to even get 3 1/2 hours everyday
I hope all you UPS WORKERS get your raises and benefits. I firmly believe you all deserve it as I’m one that does considerable E Commerce purchasing and see plenty of those brown UPS trucks in my area and neighborhood. I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST
My take: I worked p/t for UPS during college; nights M-F, 5-9'ish, 1978-82. Thereafter I worked all the Xmas slams, etc. in the Browns. It was a GRIND then! The package rates/expectations were insane. And now....nothing has changed! In the summers it was so hot on the various sort lines in the warehouse that on the breaks we would run thru the truck wash stations to cool off. Just get SOAKED. And now UPS is whining about actual air-conditioning in the trucks? INSANITY. I think management needs to take a few days in the field, making deliveries- to REMEMBER the grind that drivers, sorters, ALL package handlers go thru. And EXPERIENCE every day. I'm with the employees.....they've EARNED it.
This is so awesome! My son worked for UPS for about a year. They always had 0 injuries on the injuries thing! It turned out they just never report the injuries. My son was injuried when o box too nig for the conveyer belt came down. He worked for them back in 2017. It's the same facility though that a young man died at in Kansas City Mo in 2020. I hope that these works are able to unionize and getting what they deserve!!!!
I started at UPS in March of 2000 on the ramp in Louisville on a belly crew loading packages into the bellies of airplanes. 4 mos later promoted to part time supervisor a year later right after 9/11 promoted to a full time non union position as a flight crew scheduler. At first everything was cool. Got treated well, made lots of friends and I looked forward to going to work. When I got around those airplanes I knew I’d be there till I die that’s how much I loved it. We were a family atmosphere (at least my little corner of it was) and we were always playing jokes on each other and made the best of it.
Once I got into flight crew scheduling at first it was much of the same atmosphere. The going public was still in its infancy and the suck hasn’t really had time to manifest itself yet. Slowly but surely they started eliminating all of the things that made the job elite and special. But I loved it still nonetheless. I was one of the best schedulers the department ever had. I put the company’s needs ahead of my family’s on multiple occasions. Always available for overtime there was nothing I wouldn’t have done for them. 15 years later of unwavering loyalty making $32.35 an hour I got called into the office over a few clerical decisions I made that for some reason after 15 years of not minding how we got the job done now all the sudden this stuff was an issue. After a humiliating hour in the office being belittled by these idiot managers that couldn’t schedule their way to the shitter on a bet they sent me home. Next day I was terminated. This was in 2014. This is how they do their good employees that share certain values and beliefs that differ from the UPS management narrative. Meanwhile dirtbags that do the bare bones minimum come to work looking like they got shot with a double barrel wrinkle gun call sick on weekends when we are minimum staffed get to retire. I pray those responsible for terminating me and everyone they love burn in hell for all eternity.
I unloaded trucks for a few months around 2004. I quickly moved on to a full time job after I quickly got automotive certification. Sounds like nothing has changed. Thank God I didn't get sucked in.
America is broken
nah, that's just all the capitalism
@@banjohero1182 Most people are so brain broken that they cant separate the capitalism and the protestant work ethic from the country.
@@vizerandevir6422What if, and please come with me on this journey, it was both of those things amplifying each other?
@vizerandevir6422 the protestant work ethic _is_ the capitalism.
"Be thankful for work" is such a stupid fucking maxim that helps no one but the rich.
The system is working as intended.
As a USPS employee I think many of us wish we had a union like UPS. At least they have balls to say "no deal". Postal unions can't say no and they can't strike... What good is a union at that point?
Don’t you mofos just hide in the bathroom milking the government for all they’re worth?
id rather be able to strike so WE can get ac in our trucks lol union is useless when you cant strike thats why im not in it anymore
Electric utility retired manager here. We even got IBEW, A/C in trucks back in the mid 80's. They had some juice then. Then we called them Temp employees, before they could get on board as a F/T with all pay/benefits. These companies have taken it new levels to do more and get more from workers, with less pay for more profit and Unions were powerless to stop it. Same in the RR industry with PSR.
@@Filling_tags At USPS you aren't stuck as a part timer with low hours and low wages. Most people I know that work at USPS work full time and get like $1-$1.50 pay raises each year
Joe Biden bought the postal union and it was used to ship fake ballots to 5 key counties for the most votes any president has ever received.
As a Purple semi-truck driver, I really hope the workers of UPS get what they deserve and don't have to go on strike. I wish the current company I work for would provide benefits but that will never happen as it's a company of third-party contractors all trying to fill their retirement accounts.
They caught me as well. I applied for the Driver Helper which was originally $21 an hour here in New York. But all of a sudden, I check back and the pay is now $16.20
Worked for UPS quite a bit. Was a temp twice and part time worker once.
Got lied to consistently.
As a college professor/teacher/instructor in California I feel this. 17 years, part time, and there is no "advancement path" for teachers the only way they can get to a full time position is if the administration gives the department permission to do so, then it's a fight against every other person who wishes to apply for it as it has to be a public search, and as a part time worker for the school the only advantage you get is a "tie breaker" but considering all those decisions are made behind closed doors there practically is no advantage, the last position I applied for (one of 3 that opened up in the last 17 years I've been there) it was told to me by the department chair that they made the decision that there were too many men in the department so wanted to pick a woman... oh if I only had a recorder on at the time maybe I could have used that to my advantage. As a part timer we're paid less of a wage than full time on an class for class basis even though we are required to go to department meetings and the like, our benefits are less, retirement security is non-existent, and to make things work, we often have to teach in multiple counties because there's a limit on how much we can teach in any one county so "they don't abuse part timers" ... yeah that's working out great. Often part time instructors teach more classes than full time in multiple districts and still don't make the same as a full time instructor.
There is a whole country for public union jobs, you could find a full time public union job in many parts of the country, but a few or several factors keep you from making such change, which are all personal...
Not a California hater, but I'd suggest leaving California if you're trying to teach undergrads. There are other universities out there looking for instructors while located at places with a substantially lower cost of living. I'm not trying to put anyone down or anything, just some food for thought.
I worked part time there from 1995 to 2001, went from loader to sorter, went from $8 an hour to $14.25 when i left. For me it was a great way to make money while getting my college education! It was tough, very labor intensive! I could not imagine doing this for a living!
Sounds like this should be a job new entrants to the national workforce would do to "get started". Like McDonald's, or Walmart, or your local grocery store. Sounds like you'd have to be crazy to make this a career. But if you do make it a career, what are they complaining about? It's not like they didn't know the pay and benefits schedule BEFORE they signed up.
Its not meant for folks q formal education
@@Dan16673not all ups workers are dumb. I’ve seen nurses that I question how they got the job.
I did the same. And what I've seen the Union & ups are fucking the workers over.
Does anybody find it fucked up that you have to pay a Union fee (literally pay to work)/ then state tax/then federal / a tax on the gas to get to work/ tax on the food for lunch/ we need to pay insurance to drive/ registration fee, inspection sticker etc.. taxes, fees, fines, tickets.
@@viking956you don't have any idea how difficult working for that company is. Its not a "get started" job, unlike flipping burgers you're loading trailers or package trucks with over 400 packages each in a 3-5 hour span and the weight variances are all over the place, in my time working there a lot of people had severe back injuries even when trying to lift safely.
Everyone’s got answers and advice until they’re in that position themselves. I’ve been in situations like this. It sucks. You feel hopeless and worthless and trapped. The problems here are fundamental. Work load is higher, yet pay is lower and there’s less hours. Clearly there’s a need for this industry. Where is all this money going?
We have wonderful UPS delivery people ! Never ever saw one that wasn't pleasant . They rush, rush, rush , summer heat, snow storms, and just the best ! Always feel for them and try to run out with a drink or treat.
Half the time I don't move fast enough to catch them ! They deserve anything they get ! Long overdue !
A THOUSAND CHEERS TO THE BEST MEN AND WOMEN EVER !! GOD BLESS THEM !
I used to work at UPS and I can say what these guys are saying is true.
No it’s not, I think these workers have become spoiled, UPS is a company that anybody would want to work at, it’s the same as those people saying Disney isn’t a good company to work for, total nonsense….
@@jragon9215 have you ever in your entire life ever worked for UPS in a position covered by the video?
@@DROIDFARM I have never worked for UPS I have tried to apply and get a position at UPS because it’s a very good company and job to have and is why it’s so competitive to get hired for UPS…..
@@jragon9215 I don't recommend it.
@@jragon9215 i literally got hired 4 times in like 3 months lol i just kept quiting cause i didnt like my schedule im at amazon now way better
There’s also something weird going on with UPS where they will mark something delivered that has never gone out on the truck. The only reason I know this is my regular, UPS driver and I researched the package. Basically they’re trying to make it look like drivers are stealing and they’re not. Also, this cannot be flipped a reason to say that they are stealing because these things have little to no value for anyone, but the rare people who choose to buy them
@@StuartBailey-re4mhThat's right💯
Nobody is trying to frame drivers for theft. We can steal anything we like anytime we want. Put the conspiracy theories to rest.
We make more money than our supervisors, we have no need to steal and the current management is too stupid to fire anyone, let alone frame them for theft.
Most theft at ups is by management. Ups will set you up to see if you are a thief. They will be recording you, if they are setting you up, to be fired.😊
I worked part time doing graves at UPS. The major reason part time employees aren't being taken care of is because they don't participate in the union as much as the drivers.
Sounds like they need a fresh dose of Solidarity
@@Praisethesunson hopefully they are getting it right now
It's a chicken and egg thing. If the full timers are also not looking out for the part timers, then they is little reason for the Parr timers to be involved. Especially of they get thrown under the bus. Over the past twenty years have seen companies wedge union members in ways like this.
This
@@anthonymaestas4863 Very well said.
This whole video is completely accurate 👌 I'm a 22.4 and really looking forward to being coverted to full time driver. Even tho I know I'll be doing the same BS graveyard shift work, not getting enough hours, and only being on a route on Saturdays. I'm still salty that none of us got Hazard Pay during covid while most Americans were sitting home making double their usual pay a week on unemployment 😤
I'm a twilight package handler off of the Hub in San Gabriel Valley, CA, and I would just at least, like the bare minimum, would want retroactive pay for all the "Hazard Pay work" we did during the pandemic. I still look at my paychecks during that time and see that we were only getting paid 15$ an hour and the only boost in income was from the Forced OT. I was really surprised when my brother who filed for unemployment during the pandemic, was making more than me a month even with the forced OT. I was working 12+ hours a day and on Saturdays and still never saw the amount that my brother was making on unemployment... I hope this new contract does good for all partimers and 22.4s
@danwilliams7362UPS treats feeder drivers like gold and everyone else like trash. Every single guy that goes into Feeders says it's lime working for an entirely different company. ✌🏼
@@brainskullsI’ve worked out of the SGV hub and it’s the worst of them all, no respect, no integrity. UPS and Teamsters are a mafia. Bunch of drug addicts working there.
The part time workforce is the exact reason UPS is so successful. They held their starting wage at $8 dollars an hour for decades. While they where bringing in billions
I was a UPSer from 2001 until 2007. I stand with UPS Teamsters.
Solidarity
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Solidarity today. Solidarity tomorrow. Solidarity forever
5:40 why do these people think that having loyalty to a company will pay off?
Any company
It used to.
And that's how America functions, by trying to keep up the lie about that. It's something we've been told since very young. "Stick to your company and they'll reward you."
I only work in a UPS Store- which is a franchise. But i will say that the volume increase has been staggering. The amount of work i do now vs. when i started 7 years ago is at least double after the pandemic and peoples addictions to e commerce. Some days it just makes you want to cry. Pay these men and women commensurate with the value theyve provided to the company.
DSA is enacting a strike-ready program to support UPS workers if they strike. If you want to help support that, I guess just Google it (sorry, I don't have a link handy).
Way to represent the DSA, bud. I wonder why they have such a terrible time organizing with the gumption of folks like yourself who couldn’t even bother to locate the necessary information before opening your mouth. Seriously make them look like a group of idiots through your association. If you gave a damn you’d delete this bullshit.
All 100 of them huh?
Currently suing UPS and the Union. It’s been 3 and a half years and my trial is set for late December. The union and management worked together to fire me, when I ruptured my patella tendon in my knee. The corruption in this company is honestly astonishing. They know they’re wrong, but will not admit it until they’re caught red handed. So we wait till trial, unfortunately. Anybody that feels they are getting mistreated. Don’t be afraid to stand up to the company and the union.
Make sure all involved are fired
I did preload three years. Then I transferred to another state. Did preload two weeks, performed well. Then some shitty supers put me on unload, a job I've never done, then promptly fired me when I struggled. My union rep was on vacay that week. My preload sup was out sick. I got railroaded right out.
Currently waiting for the situation to settle one way or the other so I can begin job hunting.
Good luck. You will need lots of luck. If your case is not dismissed. You will need a lawyer that will represent you and have the evidence to prove your case. The government wont be on your side. I will go to court for you to let the court know ups victimized lots of workers , like youself.😊
The union will not have your back. The union will do little to support you. 😮
The union and management has always been in bed together.. corruption on both sides. Sad to say but that’s what it is.
I had worked part-time at UPS third-shift for 8 years until summer of 2015.
Thankfully, I was only there for college -- I know, it took me far longer than it should have -- and I hated every bit of it.
Even after I received my degree, I tried to change positions at UPS where I could put it to use, because they did have great benefits with its health insurance and pension, but they expected me to quit AND THEN APPLY for the position -- with absolutely no guarantee if I'd get the position of not.
Not only was that ridiculous for the more obvious reasons, but it would've meant I'd lose my 8-year seniority, which is a thing that's incredibly important to UPS workers.
Geez man that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, and it happened less than a decade ago? Everything about UPS seems so backwards I truly feel for anyone who gets trapped in that soulless company.
@@SeniorBillzy Thankfully, my dad doesn't have long until retirement -- about a year-ish tops. But yeah, his injury happened a few years back, and the thing going on with Liberty Mutual, the accident, and the nurse & the recording happened less than a month ago.
@@SeniorBillzy Oops! I thought your comment was in response to the comment I left on the video about Liberty Mutual having PIs follow UPSers around where I commented about how my dad was going through that now.
Sorry about that. 😅
UPS was always meant as a p/t gig 4 college students 2 have some dough n there pockets every week. The full time benefits was the real bonus
@@MDN891 I fail to see why that offer couldn't be made to full-timers. Granted, I needed to stay part-time due to my school schedule, but there may be some who may need that if they wish to go back to school.
Aside from that, I still don't understand the reason why they won't hire internally for positions that required college degrees that they paid for.
This is an eye opener. I stand 100% behind you .
UPS Canada still doesn’t pay us a living wage. At least we have benefits. We have a union.
I’m curious what benefits do you even have when health insurance is free in your country?
Without a Union, many jobs were like this. Unions made the 8 hour day the norm for sectors that had never been Unionized. Same with overtime safety, pay, benefits, and wages.
UNIONS MADE THE LARGE MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA HAS HAD SINCE WWII. BIG BUSINESS has systematically attacked the idea of.unionizing for ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY.
@@SocraticMind89 dental and vision sadly isn't universal in Canada, so most benefits will include private insurance covering that.
you dont have a livable wage BECAUSE OF THE UNIONS. WAKE UP !!! unions are the death of this country
Only there for a year and a half. But besides the benefits, there's no reason to work there. If you can find a different job that offers similar benefits, take that. Its rough on the body, especially during summer, unloading trailers while its 104f.
hope this strike doesn't get busted like the rail strike 😡
The rail unions have an agreement with the government in their contracts where they can bust the strike. UPS teamsters have no language in our contract that gives the government to do that they couldn't do anything to stop a strike. They may however be able to force UPS to accept a contract 😎
@@user-dd1bb4tw4rjust curious, how can they force the Teamsters to accept a contract?
@RedLion502 they can't. That's what I was saying. The rail unions on the other hand can have congress force accept their contracts. Pretty bs if you ask me
@@user-dd1bb4tw4r oh crap I had no idea
My dad is a ups semi driver, my boyfriend is a ups delivery driver, and my boyfriend and I’s roommate is a part time ups warehouse worker. I support them and hope they get what they’re hoping for from this strike!! Seeing my boyfriend come home everyday and the toll this job takes on him and not getting the pay he deserves sucks!
I deal drugs on the side
I have been driving for a year and worked as preload for a year. It is very hard work but it is rewarding. The insurance (covers your whole family for free) is amazing. I’m at 24/hr and makin better money then I ever have. 3 more years and I’ll be at almost 50 an hour. Can’t wait. I’ll be going and picking out a new truck lol.
I use to work at UPS during the later half of the pandemic. I lasted about 5 months, before that I worked for both UPS and then Fed Ex when I was in college decades ago.
Big changes within the company it was never ideal but when I was in school it seemed tolerable in going back the first thing I noticed was the bad attitudes and anger just like the first young man said. It felt like a prison. I also notices the depression and emptiness.
I worked the same 2 am to 8 am shift. If 100 folks came in only 10 where working, the warehouse lived on a handful of young dudes who treated the job like a workout, hoodie up headphones on. The job also had a few women on the job that I absolutely avoided as they did less work than the lazy and manipulated the supervisor to get them or others to do their trucks.
I am not trying to be overtly religious but I will never forget everytime i would walk into that warehouse it was like walking through a fog of a deep spirit. Like something just hung over the building that caused so much negativity. Like a huddling of the working poor caused demons to hang around and feed off their despair.
WTF ?
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Well, spiritual thing or an accumulation of stress hormones so deep it's soaked into the fixtures, or just the anxiety a social animal has knowing that Noone nearby is happy or even content.
That is alone very disheartening to read, I'm glad you are out of there.
I have experienced that feeling in past positions. You described it well. It starts eating at your soul very rapidly.
This is so true and I've noticed the same thing the place is miserable
UPS said they’d have me work 10pm-2am 5 days a week. They actually had me stay till at least three am every day. When they started keeping me till 5 or six I texted my supervisor that I was done. I was 17, trying to balance school and work as a senior in high school.
I interviewed for a UPS about 13 years ago. The hours, the pay, and expectations all seemed out there. I wanted more than part-time. That's what they were hiring for, so I passed. I've never gave it a second though.
20 years with this despicable company and yes I have tons of horror stories!
As a former part time loader and package drlivery driver for eleven years from 1988 to 1999 I experienced the 1997 strike. I will refrain from making negative comments about my previous employer. I did not have a good experience and I would not recommend that ANYONE work there!
As the son of a celebrated trade union local business manager I feel for them and has made me rethink what I buy and how its shipped. I wish UPS was better to their workers.
I work for ups have been there for 11 yrs. I worked pre load for 3 yrs put in my time doing that and Became a cover driver during that time and then eventually made full time after 4 yrs. It’s the best job I have ever had. Sure it’s hard and not for everyone especially if don’t like manual labor.
Management has their favorites. 😊
A strike would be devastating, but it would create some amazing solidarity among workers and show some of these corporations who they’re messing with. I read that the negotiations around non-economic issues have been going well-so here’s to hoping UPS bargains fairly on the economic stuff! But if not, the working class has your back! Solidarity forever!
Workers over profits. People over Packages 💪
@@OutofTime.. Every time!
Customers and workers lose the most because of a strike. Management has two months before bankruptcy.😅
Why do they force people to work there? It's insane that no one there can quit and go somewhere else. Do they kidnapping you at gunpoint every day and force you to stay? Hold your kids hostage?
@@Lemmon714_ So there’s a couple things here that are wrong. One, you assume workers should be flexible and corporations should be able to do what they want. If you like the work that you do in some way, or if it is the best fit for your skill set, location, or lifestyle, then you should fight to make it work best for you and those around you. Your view encourages corporate dictatorship, where notions of democracy only apply in the search for a job but never in the actual work. Two, the full-time UPS positions, though not perfect, are jobs that can support decent lives. These part-time workers are led to believe they’ll eventually get there and then never do.
ALL of this-true & infuriating. I worked for UPS as a sorter & then PT SAFETY Sup for 11 yrs; stayed for the benefits. The wages are a huge issue BUT so is the SAFETY culture (or lack thereof)-the hyprocrisy pissed me off to no end. From handling pkgs to hydration to wellness to INJURIES, it was all an fn show for the company's audits. I worked so hard to make positive changes and only got pushback from higher ups. I stand with all of you teamsters!
Here in Southern Nevada it gets to 115 degrees F and what do I see. UPS delivery trucks driving down the road with both doors open. How much extra does it cost to put A/C in a truck when UPS buys them by the thousands?
I'm 35 and my whole life has been blistering work and getting fired after... now i just save for the next eventual tragedy... In America you have no future and your kids have no future
Have you considered joining the U.S military? That way you get to be a terrorist in another nation while also getting PTSD.
Also keeping you as a parttime driver (aka. cover driver ) for 2-4 years. So UPS don't have to pay into Fulltime pension
The story of the hot dogs and the other kids. Worker solidartiy is healthy and precious, and goes way beyond the workplace.
This is so true. Been working for UPS for decades. What the company doesn’t show is upper management is so disconnected from the people on the front lines producing the work that produces the revenue. We are all numbers to them. It’s soul crushing. Why do I work there?? Because the pay and benefits are great. The customers are even better. Wonderful people!!! Our customers!!!😀😀😀I love them. But upper management had told their souls to the corporate devil to get their piece of the pie. They know it’s wrong, they know it, but in my 45; years there, I’ve yet to see a UPS manager go to bat for us. Really!!! Why should they??? We are union, so there’s no mercy. Upper management has convinced them to see us less than human . I absolutely believe that. Why else world they violate the contract on a regular basis?? They can read. Upper Management has convinced them, that workers are dishonest, lazy, untrustworthy. So treat them accordingly!! But this is common knowledge. So sad!!!!😥😥😥😥😥
When I started as a part timer at UPS over 20 years ago the pay was way better compared to minimum wage. But now it seems like minimum wage out pays UPS. I am now a FT service provider (delivery driver) and that's where the pay is but it's def not fair compared to what the pt loaders and unloaders do for us.
I've never once thought of UPS when thinking of good middle class jobs.
The drivers, it is, brown truck make 95k a year without OT.
Tractor trailer drivers can make twice that
@@dosmastrifyI make 90 @ ups. Not a driver. 30+ year employee. I live in a low cost of living area. UPS needs to seriously compensate those employees who work in the high cost areas such as Cali or the Northeast. Personally, I never understood why someone would want to live in those areas anyway. Unless someone can't leave those areas due to Family obligations and the like, they'd be much better off leaving there and moving somewhere where there money really goes a long way.
too bad nobody's ever written a manifesto or something about this kind of stuff
Unionizing is the only way I know of to negotiate, workers to owners. It is good for the workers and good for America.
Yes look at our sports leagues billion dollar businesses. All have player unions that negotiate CBA.
Unions suck, I have worked for the teamsters for 40 years and I have many friends who were no union truck drivers and other trades, they were much better off being non union after retiring then I was when it came to how much we got In Retirement , the only ones making money In The union are the local president and union bosses ,they waste all our money on lobbyists and we end up with Minimul gains.
@@donm3844 you sound like a company management bot saying the same bs. Go back to your air conditioned office and think up more bogus discipline write ups.
Teamsters didnt enforce jack for me when I worked at UPS. There's no way to force them into being decent either, but its better than literal nothing.
@@RoseRedRoseWhite not all locals are the best, there are some that are subpar. Nothing is 100% perfect.