Beginner vs Superbike rider at trackday *mindblown*
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- My 3rd trackday EVER !
Backlund racing trackday..
Former Brittish superbike rider Filip backlund joined the rookies for some laps...
Note that he is "only" riding a roadlegal Ducati V4 Speciale !!
Contains also
R1 2008 vs R1 2017
Almost highsider
Chasing aprilia Rsv
Topspeed
Recorded Gelleråsen 2018.
Instagram
Filipbacklund14
R1swe
Watch my latest trackday, improved?
I have to tell you; I love watching this video! It gives me a thrill watching you guys take those corners, and reminds me so much of my riding days, I wish I had ridden a track, all our riding was on the open road...
My brother turned me on to Superbikes at age 66, when he was 68. He was my 'trainer' and mentor, he laid down the line and I learned by following him. He was a former #1 motocross/enduro rider, then went to Supers, on our rides there would be 10 to 15 young riders from Indiana, Ohio, and Ky who came to ride with us because my brother had a reputation from there to the hills of North Carolina, 'The Dragon' was one of our 'go to' roads. We rode like this on the crooked roads of Northern Kentucky, not as fast, but leaving no 'chicken stripes' on the tires. We had it figured that on the safe speed curves of 35 MPH, we could take them at 70-75 and come through easily, on the straight we hit 130 most of the roads we looked for had short straights. we also traveled to Ga, NC, and WVA. My brother rode a Honda 'Smokin Joe' (the Camel team race bike), an F-3 600, and a Kawasaki 636, I began my ride on an F-4 Honda 600, then to a VFR 800 V4 Honda.
My brother had a stroke and died in 2016 at age 79, I had my bike on the trailer, camera mounted on the front on my way to meet him and the other riders in Florence, KY, to video him on his 80th birthday, I was 77, he was 5 days away from 80. (Just before my brother died, we had turned the Smoking Joe speedo to 100,000 Miles), it remains to this day in mint condition, now kept by his grandson) Thetailpiece on the Smoking Joe is signed by several of the top Superbike pro racers of the80s and 90''s. Rossi, Fogarty, Corser, Russell, Kocinsk, Edwards, with Nori Haga and Frankie Chili.
I kept riding those roads until 2019, riding those roads, but it was not the same with my lead man not there, I sold the bike.
Sorry this is so long!
This was beautiful and calming in a way. really enjoyed it. (thank you for not putting music to it, those 4 cylinders purring is just the touch)
I think the fact that you posted this on youtube is helping you learn alot more because viewers can comment
internet-rossis always comment =)
Damn I didn't know there was this much motogp coaches in one comment section.
easy to criticize when you don't do it.
@@RIISK04 ya and if they were there
Their balls might left them 😂
IKR. I'll take it serious when it is Guy Martin telling me what I'm doing wrong 😂
Some of these people are so close to having really good form. They just need to move their heads lol. No point in hanging off really far when only 2/3 of their body is doing it XD Nice bike! Those pics look so good!
Well made video, very interesting to follow! 👍
Just watched your vid for the first time. Reminds me of me on my first few track days. Hopefully you ignored those that told you to "push it". All you need to do is practice and learn to get the lines, turn ins and braking points sorted. Then you'll be getting closer to the apexes and taking the faster lines. Once you've sorted that - then you can begin to push it a little. I'm sure you have given this vid is a couple of years old now. Well done.
That was pretty slow, but its more important to ride within its own limits than being cocky and end up smashed into pieces. Your riding seems super safe. Try pushing it bit by bit, go on the brakes later and accelerate harder. Practice downshifting at high revs, so you have power available when needed. Not bad otherwise, just needs practice.
Thanks, my third trackday so I'm still learing =)
Check out my latest video guys :) improved?
Good motivation from a real rider. Yeah I was super cautious when I rode too. Slow but never crashed.
If the camera has a wide-angle everything looks almost slow motion, but It never feels that way driving.
@@nikoswe2518 Just saw your another video, healthy improvement! Envious about the track! Awesome corners, scenery etc!
Smooth and consistent!👍
is it?
In my view, yes. If I was behind this rider I would know exactly what he/she is gonna do because they are being smoothly consistent.
Nice riding brother
nice riding great track
I just had my first one and you are for sure way faster, I went to road America on a mt10 so I kept getting just dusted in the straights lol
Would be a dream to ride on road america... much bigger tracks where you live compared to Sweden:) There's always someone who is faster or more skilled.. if you just enjoy it and don't care who is faster or slower...then you are doing it right ! Ride safe and smart brother !
I raced way back in the 80s . What you learn is as a beginner you think everyone has a better bike . Tires ,brakes ,motor what ever . I know I did . Then if you really learn and get better at a club level me vs me on same track three years later mid pack or better 750 novice 1:35 to up front expert 1:22 on a 600 stock .. sure tires improved but mostly learning most is mental visualization and being willing to fall . But always remember your limit changes with ability . I like most buy a dirt bike much cheaper to crash learning basics that transfer to the track.
I would just like to comment I have been riding since 1986 I have had 50cc 125 and 500cc two-strokes I then ventured over to four-stroke, vee twins V4fours and inline fours and everytime I sold A machine it was because I thought I had outgrown it or I was getting overconfident, but I now know I had just mastered it.
I returned to biking after 10 yrs of family commitments and bought a CBR 600F4 and I was disappointed, as the bike handled poorly compared to my last bike a VFR400RR, not only was the bike bigger and heavier it was very wide/fat, the engine had to be revved hard in and out of bends to excite and generally felt cumbersome.
Today I am riding a VTR 1000F FIRESTORM and this bike handles better than my CBR in every way, brakes excellent, engine power 75% more in every gear and it feels lighter and slimmer and it inspires confidence, what I am getting at is, if you find a bike you feel you have mastered or ridden for a long time with and you are confident with, FFS don`t sell it put it on the track!
I wished I had not sold my RDLC V4 500YPVS or indeed my Castrol coloured VFR400RR as they are hard to find and almost impossible to buy now.
Loved the video and as explained you can ride fast when you have confidence in the bike, gel as one or have ridden it for some time:)
I used to teach people to ride and after showing them how to brake/stop 1st, the second lesson was slow/steady and underwhelmed into a bend and controlled observational awareness with speed out of a bend, if this can be achieved consistently then races can be won:)
Pps I don`t play the late brake game to win a corner on anything bigger than a 125 either as this can be disastrous and dangerous plus if your not on the Carl Foggertys pay packet it`s a waste of time:)
Bla, bla, bla...the 'late braking' game is totally relative...
@@raynic1173 cock
I like Gelleråsen, I was there 2018 + 2019. With Ducati klubben
Did you undertake any kinda training before this track day?? Awsmmmmmmm footage btw🥳
This was my third trackday :) Thank you!
Man, some YT commentators can really be harsh critics! Thankfully some good advice further down the list, but I figured I'd post something positive just to even it out a bit.. I've been waiting on the weather to do my 1st track day (they keep getting cancelled). So I've been watching YT track sessions and proper rider technique & skill building videos to help prep when I can't be out practicing. You caught some good footage & I can see what you mean by the Superbike rider, after 2 corners he's literally out of frame because he's so far ahead. While admittedly, it's not really the video I was expecting, (given the title). it's averaging over 1,000 views a day for you, so at least it's an effective one. Keep at it & ride safe.
Nice video but ... "This guy cut me off"? 🤣🤣🤣
Vad annars tror du han vinkar om ? Jag missar Apex och han är medveten om vad arrangören sagt om sån körning. Kolla svarta S1000RR 4 kurvor senare så ser du HUR DET SKA GÅ TILL på en träning i medel/snabb grupp.
@@nikoswe2518 Whilst it's true that the organizer has said not to pass there, he still doesn't cut you off in any way. But I get that you're not used to being passed like that hence you're reaction is to not turn in and miss the apex.
@@orivaes716 Look 4 corners later (3:10) how it was supposed to be in our medium group. You can't explain the hand in the air if he didnt know he did wrong? (maybe video doesnt make justice in angles how bad it was) Anyways.. two years ago, has happend alot since then :)
He wouldn't have waved if he didn't know that he was wrong to pass in that way. During most track days below the advanced level you're not supposed to pass on the inside. I see why it happened. The rider that passed him was definitely faster so he pushed hard and ended up passing on the inside. It happens on every track day. Not a big deal and both riders appeared to be mature about it.
Hey, I enjoyed your video thanks. I have done a couple of track days in the old days and enjoyed it greatly, taking out a first place on my first race (beating the local motocross champion of the day). Good to see that you are taking a steady and smooth approach. Concentrate on the apex of the corner, you have to hit it every time. Also keep in a higher gear through the corner, takes a bit more throttle control but will give you a higher speed out of the corners and onto the straight sections.
Its very interesting to see that you think that its differences between bikes that matter. Out of all bikes in the video, no bike can beat the "worst bike if it has the best wheels, e.g. carbonfiber or forged magensium WITH really good SLICK tires IF you DONT!!!!!!" Tires and wheels are by far the most important factor at a slow track like that. You have no need for power above 150 hp, actually its often more of a problem then an advantage. I always say that out of all people that roadrace, only 1-3% are faster on a full blown 1000 CC. So in a minor league somewhere, its very likely that non of the people on the track would set a faster time around the track on a 1000 cc vs on the same bike with a 600 cc engine. I find it so funny to hear some one say that some one is faster because you have a powerful bike on a track, unless it is the Portland track, we even have special slicks for that track due to super high average speeds. Not even Spokane needs that kind of tire as the fast section is only a straight at Spokane raceways. At Pacific raceways its much slower and much more technical with elevations and bumpy asphalt etc. When I went from regular road tires to magnesium rims with slicks, on pacific raceways, I cut 6 seconds of my lap times instantaneously, on the very first full speed lap, only one warm up lap and 6 seconds disappeared to never ever come back. Brakes needed updating after that, it got to hot for original equipment with 20-40% better traction.
Try to loosen up a bit and put your trust in the grip your tires can provide. I can tell you are tense by the way the bike is reacting to your inputs. I have been riding for 12 years, and I realized long ago I don't have what it takes to ride a super sport. I sold it and have been much happier on my M109R. Maybe you are just getting the feel for the track, I don't know. Either way stay safe, and always remind yourself to ride limber and loose. You'll progressively get faster the more you find yourself learning to trust the bike and the physics behind how bikes work from a scientific standpoint.
Hey, what camera were you using? Really stable and smooth video!
Thanks ! Gopro hero 4 silver.. 1080p 60fps !
He'd be faster than 99 percent of trackday riders if he was on a 600.
Going fast is easy, in a sraight line. Look up the mechanics of how a 'bike goes round a bend. It's scary! Learn to out-brake and go faster in and out of the bends. Confidence in the machine is everything.
I don't ride a sport bike and I'm still learning but you're right on trusting the bike. I have an Indian Scout with Pirelli Night Dragons. 100 HP and 550lbs wet. They have a lean angle of 30 degrees but I don't trust the tires to hold. I know the bike will do it. There are, "feelers" on the footpegs for this reason and others can lay it out. Putting confidence in the bike at those angles is tough!
You didn't do a good job of accenting the point of the video
Cool track footage though
You take the "something's wrong with my bike" line. That guy passed you on the racing line. I'm glad ya had fun, but I'm surprised it didn't happen more. Ask an instructor or someone fast in the pits to follow their line and pace... if you really want to see what you and your bike can do. Glad you got out there though, fulfilling your dreams!
this guy calls himself a beginner... I wish I could ride like that!
When you go do a track day do they have someone you can pay to setup your bike properly?
Most tracks allow you to use your road bikes all you have to do is tape your lights and turning signals take off you plates and have almost fresh tires
@@michaelwalker552 yeah I would probably do that at first then maybe after a few times have it set up for the track and see the difference.
@@RockyJayyy most trackdays have suspension and tyre support as well as instruction available, first day or so you're probably best setting up the suspension yourself (easy to do with a friends help) my reasoning for this would be as follows
road bikes from the dealer are set up for every rider of every shape/size/weight, on every surface of wet/dry/hot/cold/brand new/old/smooth/bumpy/potholey/tarmac/concrete/dusty etc
so thier setting is to cope with 0-100
by setting it up yourself you can set it for your personal weight/size/shape on tarmac, so you can focus that scale down to say 36-41
However you will not be consistent enough to make use of anything more exact as you will be doing something different every lap , eg different line, different confidence, different position on the bike
paying for more accuracy goes up with repeatability, once you know how to ride consistently on track (for example, whenever i go to a track my lap-lap variance in NEVER more than 2s regardless of whether ive done 100 laps of that track or 1)
for the purposes of this scale, regular track guys are able to sense AND UTILISE +-1, racers +-0.1, motogp guys +-0.01 , and the aliens (VR,JL,MM etc) +-0.001
Your lines need improving.. You're missing the apex on almost every corner and its putting you off line which means you end up on parts of the track that are slippery and its slowing you down a lot.. But hey, you're having fun and learning so good for you..
Yeah, I'm beginner.. The title of the video is pretty obvious.. still lot to learn
@@nikoswe2518 Still good though and your out there doing it.. Won't take long before you are flying 😉
Thanks bud !@@robedwards8466
Thats my old V4 Speciale not a 1199, and we were going slow as f*** because it’s a shit bike with shit electronic suspension!
Tack för info Tony ! Ändrade i beskrivningen. Han var ändå solklart snabbast i medelgruppen
Most trackday orgs will say its safe to pass (in novice) anywhere except the inside, and the inside is anywhere from the point the rider turns in, all the way to the apex. You had not yet turned in.
would have crashed if I turned in.
@@nikoswe2518 I think his point was ''you hadn't yet
turned in'' sounds legit to me, looked like you
might have been thinking about it but weren't
ready. So the guy that waved back, was just
being nice about it , it didn't look like
he cut anyone off.
@@bikersoncall correct, the general rule in racing is "don't barge where there isn't a gap", and on trackdays its "dont take someones line" this effectively means, don't make someone put an input into the bike (throttle/brake/steering) to avoid a collision (not crash) the fact that turn in had not begun means your line at that point was straight forward and youd have to make an input to make your line head towards him
the point at which his head moves (not bike) , the overtaking riders shoulder can be seen putting him around a bike length ahead, so technically this isn't even a overtake, that happened way back on the straight, the guy just ballsed up his braking and entry (way off line there is always gonna ruin your exit, and the fact he waved says he was probably quite new to riding on track and nervous about being near someone else)
just a quick question.... What was the left hand out on the rider on your left at one stage??? (Newb question probably lol)
Left arm/hand out and holding to the left means "going in pit lane" When you are going to ride in pit =) (if you mean the yellow R1)
What track is this?
Gelleråsen (karlskoga motorstadion)
Lol only thing that matters is you climb off shaking and smiling .
👍🏾
R1 driver slow in corner R6 driver is faster in corner so it is not the bike its the driver all driver can be fast in straight depending on what bike you have but in corners it doesnt matter what bike you have wht does matter is the skill of a driver and that is a fact period...
Might be a little slow but clean an safe right :)
Yes, this was my second trackday..
Note: that’s a new Ducati Panigale V4. Another reason he smoked you on your 08 R1. Nothing against your R1, I had an 07 and the bike has plenty of power and gives immense enjoyment but stands no chance vs a V4.
Niklas Schröder sure looks like a V4 with that tail section and end pipe.
@@claytonolsen4914 Maybe.. Would be very early for a V4 😃 Don't remember what he said.. but he sure got good contacts to borrow something like that ✌️
What tires were you using?
Bridgestone Battlax Rs10R
Excelent video
Where is this at ..?
Its in Sweden / Track Gelleråsen mate :)
I hate the fact that no matter what you do, there is always a group of people who do it for a living, aka pros, that does it so much better than you
2:45 this guy cuts me off, but apologies? what? this is race track or what? or this race track have some kind a rules do not overtake other riders.
Yeah. Our group is the medium group. The rules are no overtakes near corners.
The fastest group is free overtaking everywhere
You know how you get to Mugello don't ya? Practice.