Johnson Crew vs Burger Bar Boys: Birmingham's Savage Gang War | Gangs Of Britain | Absolute Crime
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- In the early part of the 20th century racetracks became a battleground for gangs across the country. A Birmingham gang called the Brummagems was top dog and built up a criminal network extending far beyond their city. Over 80 years later Birmingham gangs were an even deadlier proposition and a drive by shooting with a machine gun killing innocent bystanders shocked the nation.
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Please dont die over the neighborhood that your mama is renting - Jay Z -
U mean the governments paying via my taxes!!
Birmingham born and bred. Left for rural Shropshire 5 years ago. Best thing I ever did.
So basically a plastic brummy then yeah we've got plenty of them.
I used to live in Shropshire. Lovely part of the country. 👍
@@danielcunningham6727 Would you stay living in a city taken over by violent scum just to prove a point? I'm the "Burger Bar Boys" and the peace-loving lot will give you loads of respect for being a true Brummy.
Did 50 years before I left - plastic my arse - @@danielcunningham6727
Shropshire is nice depending on what part you're in. Telford is a shit hole.
“Postcode wars are an ongoing problem throughout the UK. Young people are fighting and dying over areas they have no ownership over. The youth need to realise they are not soldiers enlisted by the government to defend and regulate their areas, they are simply residents by circumstance. There is nothing wrong with loving the area you was raised in but it does not mean you have to die for it.”
-Rapman
There not just trying to protect a postcode, there protecting drug turth.
@@lionheart9692 *Turf
@@Anti-squeak OK spelling police 🚔
The funny part is these young men will never get to purchase a property in that area as they will either die or end up in prison before they have a chance.
@@aaronconneely8415the funny part is both have property and shops etc😂what world do u live in😂
I’m so glad I left Birmingham, now I live in a little sea side village and it’s an amazing life!
Any big city or large town is a shit hole and full of gang crime, no matter what Country you live in.
Same moves out of cardiff to the countryside best thing I did for my kids
where have you guys moved to if you don't mind me asking?
@@TheNightwatcher123 I’ve moved to Cornwall, a place named Par
@@TheNightwatcher123
I moved to a small village called Machen people are Loverly not streetwise just kind best thing I did for my family most people still don’t lock there doors 😵💫
I’m a gas engineer used to get called out to Newtown lozells handsworth at 1 am all the time horrible man
What a wonderful video, Laura. Sending love and best wishes from England. ❤
God bless that poor mother!!! Impossible to even imagine
Leaving school 10 years ago thinking when will it stop 🛑 .
This isn't gonna be the most truthful series, especially with the Spandal boys presenting. But, I'll give it a go.
always believe iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
It's about 20 years old!
@@patkelly8309
1 mile away documentary has v short reference regarding the case of those 2 girls who unfortunately pass 🕊🕊
the witness testified - they could identify three gunmen - wearing balaclavas - at night time - in a moving car - with flashes of gunfire
the witness did not even show their face / name in court and spoke through voice distortion
and this was the "evidence" which led to the conviction of the 3 men
It's pretty accurate fella and they're only presenting it because they played the Kray brothers in the original film.
@@gooner72 tbh, I thought they got the gig coz of THE Krays also., and thanks for letting me know, it was pretty accurate.
A real gangster will never kill innocent people
Aye man thats great. being a gangster is hurting weak people for money. Its not hulk hogan and the ultimate warrior, ya wee fanny.
Define a real GANGSTER
The burger bar and johnson used to chill together early to mid ninetys. The main reason these had issues was because one burger bar boy was going around robbing shooting. Even then the same guy got youngers to form badda bar. More bodies have dropped from internal beef from both sides. The media hyped it and alot of misinformation
Oohhmy😮🙆
Facts alot of these stories are from a media perspective and not real life
Facts the media just adding alot that didn't even happen just to make a story. Don't believe all that is told to you.
Was there a gang member called Tyson from the Burger Bar Boys?. Were the Burger Bar Boys very friendly with the Sikh gang the SP's?. Soho Road area?.
Bro ain't no body shoot anyone in england were a 22 long rifle is the only guns civilians are allowed to have and they have to go through alot of sht to get it and really I think u got to be in shooting tournaments to be able to have a 22 rifle that's the only way from what I read, even the police don't carry guns unless it's a special law man like what we call swat in america or a Marshal but regular police man or regular city police don't tote guns, u all use knives in england
I used to travel all around England since the early 90ies until recently. Mostly for attending gigs but also for some holidays. Most of the time on my own and I never ran into serious trouble, exploring everything by public transport and by foot. Some cities I loved and others not so much but two of them I will never ever visit again because I felt uneasy the minute I arrived until I left again. One is Brum (and Luton is the other one).
I’m born and bred and there’s some places we don’t go after dark or alone
Completely get that. For 5 years in my old job I used to travel all around England and Wales. There is not a part of either country I haven’t worked and stayed in. Definitely understand why you picked these two. Probably two of the biggest sh!thole areas I’ve ever been in as well
I enjoy watching documentaries on crime and Gangs across the world. People used to tell me how good Peaky Blinders was, not being much for series on TV I shall, after watching this, give it a go and see if it’s worth all the hype I’ve been led to believe. RIP to those who have been caught on crossfire, innocent victims who didn’t deserve to die.
HMP Ashfield 99/01 was crazy times. a new prison with no knowledge of gang rivalries. both gangs were placed in the same block = riots
What?..doctors and engineers..in gangs?
Interesting documentary
Its a shame. I left Birmingham after graduated from Uni. Most of Birmingham isn't very nice and is not an aspirational place to be. It has a couple of nice areas on the outskirts but overwhelmingly is deprived. I live in the South East now.
sorry but i can't take these guys serious with the hairdo's 33.05 takes the cup🤣🤣🤣
Only takes one snitch to bring down a house of cards 👌
I missed that |Gangs of Britain| 😆 I thought this was going to be about gangs in Birmingham Alabama 😂
Gangs of Africa
Never heard such bull .....
Carl Chinn what a legend!
Martin must wish the hair salon was still there to get his just for men fix 😂😂😂
So why can't they protect all witnesses and jurors!
The problem is compounded by sleazy defence attorneys!
The "system's" aim is not for truth! The End.
So they will call their gangs anything that is near... Geez... Is there the "neat little coffee shop" gang ?
"Formed to protect to their communities" its this bullshit attitude that paints these violent thugs as victims!
mate im from this part of birmingham and grew up around it all at its peak, and back in the day late 70s. early 80s there was alot of racism, (im born in 88 but my grandfather is from jamaica and the storys i heard he and my family dealth with on a daily is madness) The conservatives in smethwick once used a slogan ''if you want a ni**a as a neighbour then vote labour'' And the NF (national front) at the time where known for attacking blacks and asians, so at the very beggnining they did form gangs to help protect them selfs , family and area from such things, Even jamaican yardies used to attack black born british kids, but its drugs which changed it all and turned it to what we see today
70's and early 80's used as an excuse to justify the behaviour shown in this program. Everyone's a victim nonsense. I suspect it has much more to do with greed and non conventional family upbringings. @@yunglockjaw3815
ye sure its alright when whites do it.. heck, even made a televised series almost glorifying the peaky blinders! But when black people who were far outnumbered and faced with the dreadful plight of blatant and out of control racism, form groups to genuinely protect their kind, its branded as bullshit and they are violent thugs?? ignorance is bliss
aint that the truth
@@yunglockjaw3815👍🏼
I was in young offenders prison Brinsford West Midlands in 1995 1996 with Yohanne and Nathan who are known as 13 and 23 respectively, these numbers as names came from cells they had been in both good youths just tryna make it terrible tragedy that happened and let's not forget 13, Yohanne had been murdered recently so his brother 23 , Nathan wanted revenge, I remember people like China, who had remmed a police motorbike and many others all of us were just young kids who made mistakes but boy this was was on another level...one love people stay strong 🙏🏽
13 21 23 if u know u know
Desmond are you a gangsta aswell 😂😂😂😂😂😂 MUPPET
This is England not the Bronx you Muppets 😂😂😂😂
I grew up in newtown in the 90s as a teen. Horrid place. Glad I left Birmingham
There seems to be a common factor amongst these gangs but I just can’t put my finger on it. 🤔
I think that bloke has wildly under estimated the rate of fire of a MAC-10, he said "over 200 rpm" where, in reality its 1200-1500 rpm.
It is though, as he correctly said, almost impossible to control on full auto, especially in one hand.
OK Gary Google
Many untruths in this
you should expect nothing else from this type!...
I dnt get how 2 brothers pretending 2 be gangsta because of a film can still pretend 2 be gangsters for so long 😂
putting brass eye to shame here lads.
I heard Burged Bar is a mispronunciation of Burglar Bar for da flat they himg out in had burglar bars on da windows…
Think it was a cafe they used to socialize at.
Birmingham , England versus Birmingham, U.S. . Which is rougher?
Birmingham Alabama.... Oh crap, I hope it is Alabama,and not somewhere else. Apologies all my US friends.
You'd have to break it down to numbers. We have a lot of guns here in the US, so one might well assume that our death toll is higher. Hell, "The First 48" was filmed in Birmingham, Alabama.
Well I know which one came first 🙄
back in the day when the beef was at its peak, Birmingham UK had agun crime 600% higher then the national average, on par with american citys, even today birmingham is the gun capital of the uk
As the saying goes "Birmz is grimez"
Sgt. Dawson gots some set of balls……I tell ya.
Reminds me of my brinsford days crazy times one them who did drive by I was his cleaner on hospital wing he tried grabbing me though his food hatch once lol he had big long arms lol sometimes he was ok and days he was crazy.
People slate the burger name, but those boys in the mid 90's to 2002 had the city on the ropes. Seriously sinister individuals. They were very feared.
They still not out
These gang kiddies are total nerds, put them in basic army training and they would be in tears 😂😂😂😂😂
The army wouldn't let them anywhere near a barracks
They would make u shit ur pants tho that’s the funny thing John
@@carlitoclout65 With knives and guns..proper hard men.
Mmmm I’m beginning to see a common trait between these gangs across the country but I just quite put my finger on it !
I can put my finger precisely on the point that you like to anonymously make snide implications around black people, I can also easily imagine that you'd be far too cowardly to say anything to a black man's face. The gangsters weren't black before the war, they were mainly Irish Catholics, that generations poor outsiders. The gangsters in the north east are white
They are all non-native people.
@daniel_913 yes British criminals first..😅
Does it begin with B ?
Let's face it lovely areas are Wt...and the rich ones...
It has been said many times that it is easier and better to do good for a community rather than trying to run illegal operations. Not sure where it was heard, but, it was many years ago. Maybe put them into building - as there is a global shortage of builders of quality. Pool their resources and work together. Crazy dream, I know, but, prepare for the worst and pray for the best.
Sounds good but unfortunately some communities are not natural builders. Not many go to Lagos to see the high baroque architecture
@ashleywebb2736
Oooh!
Harsh but fair, Ash! 😂
The end case...i was at that party that night. Traumatic to say the least...im now learning the way the police convicted the young men. Firstly though justice must be served find it hard to believe these men would not have balaclavs on so how did he know who they were. What if the police got the wrong men? The reporter even said the police were desperate to convict somone. Rodrigo simms was vousin to the party host why would he endanger his family as they were at this party? Just some unanswered question
Isn't that violation of due process to allow the accused to confront the witnesses who give testimony against them ?
20:00..."there will be murder done today, and it was only by a gracious dispensation of providence, that there wasn't..."
Old school geezer's "tawk" innit.....
Before prats started saying dumb things like "innit"
@@mjh5437
Ooo, aren't you the critic, so... you must be cut from the pompous twat "cloth" then, seriously, making inferences with a facetious "tone" smacks of defensiveness, my comment wasn't made as a "put down", I implied that "old school geezers" have a particular kind of vocabulary that is indicative of their generations identity, you almost made a point, but it's that "prat" shite which let you down, at that point you pretty much revealed yourself to be petty minded, insecure and conceited.
I'll give you a heads up, read Carl Sagan, it oughta help you gain some insight into exactly how inconsequential and irrelevant your snide pettiness truly is.
All a waste of resources...
They`re a waste of Oxygen.
Burger Bar Boys turn out to be Gherkins.
THEIR PARENTS MUST BE SO PROUD SMFH
What parents?
@@JAMESLOONEY-kd1nu
probably something like this:
Mother: the local bike
Dad: last bloke to have a ride before disappearing into prison or poverty.
@@cdub5033 I know your mum
If they had decent Parents..A Mother and a Father...they would not have turned out like this...Killing ..
@TigerBoyX15 Lucy letby had loving parents and we all know what happened there....
IM FROM THE STATE SO IDK, SOMEBODY FILL ME IN.. WHO ARE THESE METROSEXUAL HOSTS AND WHAT CONNECTIONS DO THEY HAVE TO UK GANG LIFE, IF ANY?
So with the first brummie gang you didn't mention colour but with burger bar you had to mention they were black. Why, if it wasnt related to racism and prejudice?
Its the common denominations that do this madness. Unfortunately they are black on black crime
Want many others to blame back then pal 😂😂😂
They even went further to call the leader “charismatic” and the gang money makers, but when it’s the “black gang” they’re just fighting & killing for respect. The racism and bigotry is smelling on this one icl.
@@musicforthemind3421 Fortunately more like.
Quite simple, the first gang wasn't black so it wasn't mentioned, second one was black so it was mentioned- what's the problem... Default assumed colour when describing those from the UK is white, nothing racist about that, it just is what it is.
""Burger Bar Boys"" must be the most lame gang name of all time😁😆😅🤣What did they do,hit each other with soggy chips?
😳
@@jiggamortice3870 you sent nobody packing Mr Helmet
Weird name I will agree but growing up in that time I can tell you they were not to be played with. Unlike London Birmingham is a small place. Can literally get from one side to the other in like 40 minute drive. It was very dangerous back in the 2000s. Thank god it’s become safer
In 100yewrs from now, the story's that will be in there history due to our era , it's guna be alot
Must be sunny in birmingham
Ghetto Boy's vs Peckham next please💯💯💯
R.i.p 21
I had regular donner meat and chips last night £8.70. Wtf is the world coming to!!
Poor girls. RIP
Does anyone remember that stick up kid from Brum? Think his name was Spyder, dude was supposed to be cold still. He got smoked in the end. Lured to a deal n shot! 🤔smh
sensationalism. old heads are civil now & its the kids carrying on badness with no real motive other than to be feared.
Yes it’s the same old … hamster wheel
Going nowhere apart from prison, hospital or death .. or all 3
I hear there is no brudal anitiation beating in to the burger bar boys. You just have to eat a tripple wopper without licking your lips.
This is what happens to people you have a reputation but it's soon forgotten I've got a reputation but I'm not proud of it some people think it's glamorous it all comes to a end believe
@ 44:51 Agreed.
The mum of the victim is a fine looking woman , and a decent lady
So, how did the daughter end up with such people?
@@marcobagut it doesnt matter your social status or how loving and decent your parents are but sometimes kids just fall through the cracks by influences off many things. Let's hope you , in your ivory tower, never feel the pain of something similar 🦍 show some respect
@@stuzo666 "Ivory tower"? Really? Do you need to be in an ivory tower to be disgusted by such scum? I feel sorry for you!
i lived there from 70 till 90,s most would know me lol
36.10 followed by gang who gave him a good scrub..lol
Yet none of them can get good spice tut tut
They had much cooler names back then. "The gun crew" - they don't fuck about. "The burger bar boys" sound like you have to wear a cardboard party hat and get to go home with a little bag of shit toys.
Who is the criminal still on the run for the hosts hairstyles and fashion sense 😅
Lol this is old TV footage.
Uzi sub machine guns are a step up from machetes
Not an Uzi...... a MAC-10, 2 completely different weapons, mate. The Uzi has relatively low cyclic rates of fire, either 600 or 950 rpm, whereas the MAC-10 has a ferocious 1200-1500 rpm rate of fire.
@@gooner72 Oh you're cool...
I was in a rival gang to the Burger bar boys called the hot dog homies. We'd throw half eaten hotdogs at the burger bar boys whenever we would see them. They got showered with hotdogs at times. Humiliated.
You would shit yourself if you came across the Burger bar crew in the 90s. Very serious set
@@danielgiraud8467 So, a group of lads against one guy you mean?
This rivalry is up there with Hackney vs Tottenham and Ghetto Boy's (Deptford & New Cross) vs Peckham💯💯💯
How fascinating!
(I think you mean "there", by the way 🙄)
@@philmckenna5709 never glamourised it, but there's a movie based on the Ghetto vs Peckham rivalry (Blue Story), and Top Boy is based on the street's of Hackney, and it's touching underworld.
All scumbags...
@@philmckenna5709 that's what I meant😳🧐
Who the fuck thinks that they could shoot a mac 10 into a crowd an hit the target without killing innocent people. Absolute madness. An to make matters even worst, one of the victims happends to be your half sister. Poor family and friends, forever mourning. Rest in peace and condolences to the family.🕊️
both the Johnsons and Burger boys were owned by the same gang, these tin pot boy scouts are just the grunts doing the running lol
What about the Aston Panthers 😂😂
Been eating dem burgers bruh
Here for the burger bar 🤷♂️
Are all these gang’s macaroons ?
Birmingham as a whole to me Is mostly a slum with a few nice areas like Solihull. At least London has some rich type areas like Kensington. Dunno how Birmingham is the ‘second capital’
Solihull is outside Birmingham.
What was going on with that presenters hair? Lol 😂
Imported problems, they are different, nobody can deny that.
Everyone worth their salt moved to the suburbs.
Jonnys and burgers are best of mukkas nowadays, youngers are stabbing and shooting each other for nothing u may aswell say ..
Burger bar boys very childish name, who comes up with these one liners 😂
Yesss AB you about bro member me 😊
Tommy Shelby😮
It certainly can be moody around brum at night.
Birmingham has always been dangerous yikes
the burger bar boys were taken out a generation ago by police
offshoot 'gangs' still exist, barely gangs just criminals affiliated with particular areas- like AR (new burgers) and GMG (new johnsons)
So you’re just uploading an old documentary series from 2013 to TH-cam? Did you pay for the rights to repurpose this material?
No ,But at least we get a chance to vent out spleen in the comments😂
95% lies.
Uk never had prohibition?
No
@@Kingopp87 guess organized crime neeed something else to fill their wallets
@nigelmcgiver2275Hi can I get jack Daniels and how much please.
@Phil-D83......I don't know if Birmingham had prohibition or not, but it had the Cadbury family - who were Quakers and essentially banned alcohol or any form of 'entertainment' in the City. In fact, this is the reason why 'organised crime' established itself in Birmingham from the late 1950's and early '1960's. [by the likes of Eddie Fewtrell].
Not sure why this is completely omitted from this documentary - Fewtrell ruled Birmingham with an iron fist [he actually ran the Kray twins out when they tried to muscle in!] It is a reasonably well-known fact that when carmakers such as the Austin-Rover group began opening large factories and subsidiary industries started moving into the Birmingham area there was a huge demand for nightlife, pubs and other forms of entertainment.
People literally had nothing to do or nowhere to go in the evenings and on the weekends - except Quaker and Temperance meetings. Birmingham City Council [strongly influenced by the Cadbury family] came to the rather bizarre conclusion that only lowlife scum would want to drink alcohol and go to bars and clubs - so they granted all the licences to other lowlife scum such as Eddie Fewtrell to operate it.
As a result. Fewtrell [and a number of other 'gangsters'] controlled virtually all of the nightlife in Birmingham. These gangsters quickly stablished their own 'territories' and there were regular fights between gangs if other members strayed into an opposing gang's territory. [quite a few ended up in the Grand Union canal as a result of these altercations].
This situation remained pretty much unchallenged until the 1980's when Birmingham decided it needed to 'spruce itself up'. But to be honest it was too late by then. Birmingham had established a terrible reputation for itself by that time and no manner of elaborate facelifts would ever change that.
Was this guy in BROS,or WHAM .
Spandau ballet
Pet shop boys I think. Or sigue sigue sputnik, one of the two. And that's true
Yep, watching to many American gangster movies and listening to American gangster rap.
What you doing on my manner 😅
Throw drugs in an area and watch
People kill their own, Remindes me
of something.
Do the buger boys still remain 🤔
I’m from small Heath, I left in 1978, was a very violent place,I had my jaw broken at 17 years old with a hammer over a bil for 17 pence tea money on a construction site. Well I went back to work where a couple of weeks later the b,stard had a bad accident, afterwards everyone paid their tea money. Went to Germany and made my first money running construction teams. Became multi millionaire and have business in dubai. Those tough streets tought some tough lessons. Most importantly to get paid. A city of tough immigrants fighting for survival.
What part of small heath mate
@@Sm-wn9ef Dora road, just off Coventry road. And Somerville road
No one should be as snitch i dont like people who tells tales everyone to your own quite sad really we are bringing young kids society thinking
This is the norm peace
I live right in the heart of this
u may live in handsworth/lozells/aston/perry barr , but you look way to young to have ever witnessed how mad it was back then
@@yunglockjaw3815 yes you're right I'm 27, i was about 6 years old plus i didn't even live round there then either but i do now is what I'm saying
@@jimmychatwin7657 Let me guess , u grew up in maybe ... kings norton/heath / shirley / sheldon maybe stetchford or C.wood?? , but now live in a HMO in handsworth or aston?? , Be grateful you grew up in a different area trust me,
@@yunglockjaw3815 naah mate tipton
Do you love the diversity? Feeling “enriched” yet?
Did you just say They all look alike tut tut. M.