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Uniquenameosaurus it is definitely a terrible spell. You know why. Because it’s really actually a curse. Which means you would be talking about a whole different thing.
@@lunayen also a shitty final battle. I mean I hate Twilight for its ending but it's better than two guys standing like two feet apart holding their wands in front of them hoping the other guys spells miss them.
The movies are awful. They took the priori incantatem thing and some people who completely missed the point went, wouldn't it be cool to see green and red streams connect in every battle? It drives me crazy because it happens with EVERY duel in the movies. Dumbledore even said that it only happened in the graveyard because of the shared Phoenix feathers. And again, it's just so boring to look at
That's my only problem with the films the fights are just colored lasers shooting at each other, for a story about magic the fights weren't so magical except for the Voldy vs Dumbledore fight of course
That is one of the greatest weaknesses in Rowlings writing: She introduces concepts that are very helpfull at the moment but cause massive problems in the longrun. It starts with time turners: If they work like in the main series they are invaluable to be in two places at once. If you consider cursed child canon they are godlike reality altering devices. In short everyone should use them all the time. Then there is veritaserum. Why are there still unfair judgements if that stuff exists? Just make it mandatory in trials. Again Rowlings had to write around it and make up excuses why it does not work. The fidelius charm: Totaly broken! Why wasnt James his own secret Keeper? Just to make it clear: I love the Harry Potter books! They made my childhood much more enjoyable. But that doesnt mean that as a fan you cant admit its flaws
@@DraculaCronqvist Well the list goes on and on: The quidditch rules make no sense and exist only to give Harry the Chance to win matches alone. How did Voldemort, Sirius and several death eaters get their wands back? Why doesn't Voldemort force every deatheater into an unbreakable vow to ensure their loyalty? If casting spells with two wands is more effective why not always use two... Instead of defending such flaws or overcriticiszing them I just accept that they are there.
@@Toldoris The Quidditch one has always bothered me the most, to be honest. It is such a blatantly transparent way of making Harry special, thus devaluing the entire game. Why even bother with the Quaffle and the rings if the match can only be won by catching the Golden ball anyway?
"She introduces concepts that are very helpfull at the moment but cause massive problems in the longrun" So like, JK Rowling's concept that all "people who menstruate" are necessarily "women."
@RuinedSilver True! And Felix Felicis cant be that rare. In the books Slughhorn is always described to be a little bit selfish, short on money and ready to make a quick buck. (First thing After accepting the job He asks Dumbledore for a raise and when he milks the spider poison and gets the unicorn hair he always talks about the worth in galleons and not that he wants to use it in potions. ) If Felix Felicis was that hard to get he would sell it for good money and not use it as a price just to motivate Students. Another question is how Do certain spells work? Sometimes you need to concentrate your mind on something like with the patronus spell but in some cases magic seems to require nothing more than pointing with your wand and shouting some words without even knowing what they mean or what should happen. Harry nearly kills malfoy with sectum sempra without knowing what the spell does and how it works. And how do you invent spells? Just by pointing your Wand in the air While muttering random words hoping that something will happen?
I've always imagined if you cast a particularly strong "Avis" charm you could produce a flock of birds thick enough to block the killing curse several times, then when you're ready to go on the offensive you could use "Oppugno" to make them attack :D
I think the killing curse would be fine, they just should've played up magical dueling a bit more. For example: If someone casts Avada Kedavra at you, you can just block it as any second year student learns how to do. No big deal. It's instant death, but only if it hits you. But what are you going to do if they summon a big ass fire snake and send it after you? You better know the fire snake extinguisher spell, or a spell to conjure a lot of water, or a way to trap it in stone or blow it away or something. Nothing is wrong with the killing curse, but it had a glaring weakness that more creative magic would've bypassed. You can't just "block" walls of fire coming at you or conjured/animated entities attacking you like rabid dogs, you'd need to come up with equally creative solutions to those problems. The instant-win-spell vs easy-block back and forth didn't make fights feel very dynamic, but the narrative shouldn't have relied on them exclusively. Avada Kedavra was a great spell, but its limitations should've been emphasized more and there should've been more creative battles. This would also mean that the killing curse would be most effective when used against someone who cannot block the effect, such as an unarmed opponent or a surprise attack like from the shadows when you weren't expecting it, which further illustrates what a heinous spell it is since it is most useful when used in the most dishonorable ways.
@Deh But Fiendfyre is relatively unknown how to conjure. Hermione mentions that. Avada Kedavra is much wider known, It should be blockable. Not only because it would make duel more exciting and creative, but also because logic would dictate that someone comes up with a counterspell.
@@leventebardossy5962 Fiendfyre does have a counterspell, Hermione never learned it but does mention it. As for the Killing curse, the counter is actually just any large physical object, because it only kills if it strikes a living thing. A sufficiently large and thick barrier will always stop it, it's just a matter of putting one between you and the spell.
@@Alexis-nd9kw remember Voldy is actually pathetic, and yes...maybe he was a bright student at hogwarts in his time, but the fact that he can’t even take over a school or kill a one year old child... ...he’s actually quite closed minded, he made many mistakes when trying to kill Harry Potter
@@cheatsykoopa98 I mean the spell just outright kills you so there is no "dying process" like when you're bleeding out or something so i have to imagine that you wouldn't feel pain.
You know what the Killing Curse needed? A trade off. It unerringly (mostly) kills your enemy, but saps the vitality of your lifeforce and reduces your lifespan. Would let it be used more sparingly by Team Evil, save Voldy who is protected from death in his mind and thus uses it with impunity.
That's what it does though, when he killed Harry's mother it literally removed a piece of his soul, and when he died he disappered because his soul was destroyed
Or imagine if Rowling introduced love-based soul-bonding earlier and every time you use Avada Kedavra (even if it doesn't land), you break one of your soul bonds and possibly even kill them. Bellatrix's husband pretty much served no role so it'd be interesting if she killed someone and her husband died through their soul-connection. The fact that she'd remain loyal to Voldemort would show how truly deranged she'd become. Voldemort meanwhile would harm nobody but himself because he is the only person he loves. In fact that's exactly what gives Harry his Horcrux - Voldemort "soul-bonded" to murder itself, making his killing attempt fail in the face of Lily's sacrifice. I could also see other interesting phenomena like Lupin getting a heart attack the night Wormtail killed Cedric, or Dumbledore in the Astronomy Tower telling Malfoy that he better pick another spell if he didn't want to hurt his parents. Snape's spell would be protected by the Unbreakable Vow and thus work directly into Dumbledore's master plan of having Snape kill him. And of course we'd have Crouch Sr. suffering from seizures while Crouch Jr. killed those spiders for several lessons. This would be extremely interesting, a true tool for only the darkest of wizards who do not love anybody.
@leonardonetagamer The splitting of souls mechanic isn't really a trade off in the "I've lost a month or year of my total lifespan" sense though, and it's not really tied to the curse either its killing in general. Even then, Voldy just uses it for his own immortality bid, so its not really a deterrent. What I'm talking about is the curse sapping away your life force, either aging you or simply making it more likely you'll just drop dead from a heart attack. Everyone likes living so it serves as a deterrent, except for dark wizards who cheat death and thus can notably wield the "life-shortening" death curse with standout regularity as opposed to just spamming the most spammed spell of his team.
@@Revenante_of_Asylum My gripe with shortening a lifespan is that anybody can die any day and you don't really know when that is so it may not matter whatsoever. Maybe if it instantly aged you that would be apparent, but somehow the idea of Death Eaters being all in their 80s sounds... unthreatening. Unless your lifespan was tied to say your magical ability, and Voldy just had such a large pool he didn't care
@hyronvalkinson1749 It's definitely not a bad idea, but I think the proper solution is to give a condition that gives even self-interested baddies a reason not to use it, and there'd likely be only so many soulbonds you could blow through if you're channeling willy nilly. Worse, what if Voldy was one of Bellatrix's soulbonds? It'd be random if Bellatrix accidentally killed Voldy, and if its a chance he'd just order no one to use it just in case. Narratively interesting, but functionally limiting in a bad way. And again, I think a lifeforce siphon is more elegant an answer because Voldy's been set up as already cheating death, his circumventing this limitation is already baked in and it gives him free reign to be the Avada king, whereas story as is the killing curse is just what even his mooks do so its nothing impressive.
Seems like more consequences for using the killing curse would be needed. How about Avada Kedavra kills the caster as well as the target? It's a curse people utter with their last breath to take vengeance on their enemies. This would only make Voldemort more powerful, because his horcruxes prevent him from dying. He could just kill at will. Edit:Damn this thread took off! I forgot I wrote this honestly. Glad I could spark some discussion
Or having a concept of hell or reincarnation so that if someone use the spell, their soul would be tortured or fully destroyed. With this, truly evil wizards could collect souls and use those souls as surrogate for their soul expect using it more and more would require more and more souls giving it a limit and dire consequence. Idk im writing too much for a youtube comment lmao
counter point: a writer has infinite power, including giving a character infinite accuracy. J.K rowling: I don't want this character any more *DIFFINDO* the bloody gurgle can scarcely be heard as [charname] collapses dead.
I'm pretty sure when everyone is in the lunch hall, whip it out and many students and teachers will wonder what it is. None of them study muggles so how would they know before its too late >:)
We're talking about the person who made time traveling devices that no one uses, (for not very good reasons) a potion that literally makes everything go your way, a map that should have shown Fred and George there's a weird man named Peter sleeping with their little brother. Rowling is infamous for writing herself into corners.
I mean murder is murder- remember, Pettigrew blew people up, presumably with either of those spells, and Sirius got a life sentence for it- but the difference is that using Avada Kedavra in of itself proves you intended to kill someone, even if you failed, so there's an automatic life sentence just for using it. Basically the difference between owning rat poison, which you could murder someone with, and owning a grenade, which you're almost certainly going to kill someone with.
Avada Kedavra has the often forgotten requirement of intent to kill, and thus is inherently evidence that you attempted a murder. Any other lethal spell is almost certainly intent to kill, but it could *also* be someone being an absolute idiot-- for example Malfoy.
J.K should have just made Avada Kedavra a spell that Voldemort knew exclusively. A spell that he created and only he alone could cast. That way you retain the spell's threat but restrict it to one character so that the fights with the other Death Eaters could be more creative.
okdghd I think Rowling had the right idea with Voldemort's soul splitting every time he killed someone. That being said... it didn't really seem to punish him outside of his morality, which he cared nothing for. It actually just made him stronger. Using Avada Kedavra should somehow punish the wizard or witch so they have to weigh the cost of using it.
Tell that to George, who lost an ear. Or Moody, who died falling to his death. Or Lavender Brown, who got scratched up by Fenrir. Or how about Fred who died when an explosion slammed into a wall? Or Snape who died from the poison of a snake... If you want creativity in Harry Potter, actually read the books instead of just what's on Wikipedia or wherever you get your info from. Maybe you haven't read them in eleven years, in that case, reread them.
@@kipolephoenix2547 Well, those injuries aren't really cool. George was hit my a magic sword cut or whatever, Moody was shot out of the sky, and Lavender Brown was attacked by a werewolf. Lavender's injury wasn't because of a Death Eater spell, Moody would've died if he was hit by anything, really, if he would fall out of the sky... and like, George just lost an ear.
Assassinkill _112 to be fair, I think a fully gay cast could lead to some great plot lines and characterization. Imagine a scene where a dudes sitting somewhere and a girl walks in and the audience doesn’t immediately think “ah they’re getting married”. Like, so many possibilities occur! Every character being a bit gay would add something to what perhaps would otherwise be a boring story or just another drama.
I feel like JK should have depicted the killing curse as something only pompous wizards aware of their massive amounts of power could use. Those who used the curse could only kill those who are weaker than the user, meaning that Voldemort could kill virtually anybody and first year wizards could use it only against non-magical beings and small animals who they overpower in wizarding strength. However, one could never determine the strength of their opponent (thus my reasoning for pompous individuals being the only users of the killing curse) since one’s wizarding prowess may lie dormant for many years. This would also come into play when Voldemort tries killing an infant Harry; thinking he could overpower a child, but is thwarted by the love that Lily possesses for Harry; the most powerful force of all.
Here's my add-on: certain wizards have spells that are most effective for them, and in rare cases, they can only use certain types of spells but the trade-off is immense power in that spell type. Voldemort could only use instant-death spells like Avada Kedavra but they can only kill those with less magical power than the user. Voldemort was the most powerful wizard of all time so it was no trouble for him but he fails to kill baby Harry because Harry had immensely more magical power. Moreover, he couldn't just strangle Harry because Harry was unique in that his power increased depending on his emotions. Seeing his parents die and Voldemort looming over him, Harry subconsciously channeled a protection spell so Voldemort couldn't get close, effectively making him immune to any methods Voldemort could kill him
The main problem is it assigns a number to power. It's the old anime problem. Saying someone's objectively more strong magically takes a lot of the magical out of it.
I mean, if you shoot someone with a gun they can still be saved if it isn't a head shot. Avada Kedavra kills instantly witch is what makes it terrifying
@@skeleetoon It takes a Master wizard to perform a spell that can kill someone instantly. It will take a master shooter with gr8 aim to kill someone instantly.
@@skeleetoon : from .50 cal onward its instant kill. Avada Kedavra is just a 20mm cannon with a long reload. using magic to make an Oerlikon levitate and follow you would be a far deadlier power. "Oh , you're hiding behind a fridge on the other room that has a concrete wall, guess AP 35mm ammo will do the trick"
@@zahylon5993 I mean, if you shoot a .50 Cal onto someone's pinky finger, I don't think that would kill them. In contrast, if you even barely *touch* the Killing Curse, you're just dead. Sure, it's slower and more noticeable by far then a gun, but I'd argue for making sure something's just dead for sure? Killing Curse. A gun might be more efficient for mass killings, but for singular assassinations, Avada Kedavra trumps just about anything.
Ron: *sees vold* Vold: *glares at Ron* Ron: *thinks about his most powerful spell to defend himself* Vold: YEAAAAVAAADAA KEEEDAAA.... Ron: EAT SLUGS!!!!!!!!
Remizovschi Pavel if it actually managed to affect Voldemort instead of Ron, that might actually have worked by stopping him from saying the whole thing, since Voldemort takes ten minutes to finish saying avada kedavra while anyone else says it normally
@@takemeaway5548 yes he was not as bad as we thought. but he was still a wierdo and an asswhole, hating everyone, calling people a mudblood (who have non magical parrents ofcourse :p ) and being a deatheater
@Michael, you mean the "Hermione is black now, you're all racists!" thing? Or my favorite dislike for anything Rowling ever claimed "Dumbledore is gay", after merely setting up a strong friendship between two business partners, no hints for anything homosexual and then calling people homophobes when questioning that claim. I don't mind gay people and I think it could've been an interesting point for Dumbledore for sure, but it just wasn't set up that way in the book. That's like saying Ron's actually a trap or James is Snape's brother.
Someone once said: "a great magic system isn't what it can do, it's what it can't do" and it way better to see a character coming up with creative ways to overcome a problem with their limited magical ability. (A great example for this is avartar the last air bender, or legend of Korra)
Another good example is Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere. All the magic systems in it have strictly defined abilities and limits which means characters have to think hard on how to properly use them to the best of their ability.
Easy fix: Make it to where the spell requires a "broken soul" and then never explain it, then when the horcrux plot gets revealed it's all "oh hey I get it now." and that's why only Voldemort can cast it, and all the other death earters can't, boom. PM me to find out where to send my paycheck Rowling, I'll be waiting.
@@ElloLoJo yup, they do say the more you kill the more you get used to it, soldiers get PTSD from it, thinking about all the lives they ended and how they're never safe in the battlefield
They very easily could have made Avada Kedavra a much more interesting spell by making one simple already existing restriction much more strict: The user must have a strong desire to kill. Every time Avada Kedavra is used, it's used so nonchalantly that I have a hard time believing that the user has a genuine hatred in their hearts. In many cases, some users even show signs of empathy, disdain, and hesitation. If the spell requires a strong desire to kill, how in the world was Snape capable of reluctantly using the curse to kill Dumbledore? By making this requirement more strictly enforced, it would make sense for Voldemort to be the only wizard capable of using the curse, and only in certain situations. Sure, it's still a bit anticlimactic to just have a spell that kills somebody, but it could be portrayed in a much more grandiose and intimidating fashion when it's not overused by every mook on the street. Let's face it, in all honesty, Voldemort comes off as kind of a wimp. Does he ever win a single fight onscreen? Every fight he's in ends in a draw or a loss. Sure, he kills people, but it's never as a consequence of a fight. It's always just to go "ooooh look how evil he is~" The simple change of making this curse exclusive to him would make him out to be so much more powerful and terrifying as a villain. And with the curse so much more unique, they could afford to make the attack much more visually impressive as well.
But the spell really only works if you have a strong desire to kill. You have to mean it. And you can't just say the words, you need to have a powerful magical power. Furthermore, killing rips the soul apart, and because of that few wizards apart from Voldemort wouldve attempted to use the spell
I'd do a different change. Simply make the Avada Kedavra lose in a fight against almost every other spell. Say it's easily countered by spells, no matter how strong the spell seems to be. This is because of how powerful the spell's effect is. Plus, it would allow for inventive ways to distract then use the curse, or paralyze then use the curse.
I agree with you except I think the idea that the killing curse is so unassuming and not grandiose is actually interesting. It's kind of ironic, but I like below's idea about making it weak against other spells
In the second film Lucius Malfoy almost uses avada kadavra on Harry in the end because Harry takes away his elf, Dobby. Like, he goes "aaavaaadaa..." I thought that was a little excessive.
Funny thing is, that was apparently ad libbed. He was told to just start to cast whatever spell he wanted, and that was the first thing to come to mind.
Not to mention, it’s just a painless instakill. Someone like Voldemort is an absolute monster who would absolutely want his victims to suffer, he wouldn’t be satisfied with drop dead suddenly
He doesn't always want to do that, he wants immortality not just making people suffer. He probably doesn't hev time since he's chasing Harry. Also he uses crucio sometimes.
If it's actually painless it should definitely belong in the healers arsenal as a method of euthanasia, just saying. Actually, depending on how Crucio can work if you have the right intent, it might be a helpful spell for people with nerve damage - focus on the area and stimulate the nerves for instant rehabilitation. Instead it's a boring torture spell.
I've heard something like this called "the Transporter problem", as in the Transporter from Star Trek; basically, it's a plot device that winds up being an easy-out for a lot of scenarios, so the writer (or writers) have to come up with increasingly convoluted excuses not to use it in order to either create tension or have something more interesting happen, which just begs the question of why even introduce the plot device in the first place if you're going to expend a lot of energy trying NOT to use it.
That's actually kind of the point of Star Trek. It's supposed to be a universe where problems were pretty much solved. Resources are near-infinite and technology has an answer for nearly everything. That's why a lot of the conflicts in Trek are of a philosophical nature rather than a physical one.
They didn't have much of a budget for TOS. They couldn't afford making shuttle landing and takeoff scenes, so they invented the transporter. As cheap as that is, it's also pretty clever. Regardless, in my opinion it doesn't matter that the transporter is technologically overpowered, because the best episodes are the ones where using it can't solve the central problem to begin with. Ethical dilemmas, philosophical conflicts, character dramas and such.
I dont think theres anything necessarily wrong with placing limitations on a plot device as long as the reasons make logical sense to the characters and to the audience. Risk management is also something to consider with the characters in the show.
I would fix Avada Kedavra by having a rule where the wizard must have either killed or seen death personally before they could cast it. I had always thought Magic in Harry Potter was half Latin stuff and half understanding the concept you're trying to envision.
I’d fix it by making all the other spells as easily lethal but potentially fixable (like, ghosts *could* still cast magic right? And are very common in the lore) but as Adava Kedavra destroys the target’s soul too and so they could never be brought back again or be a ghost.
@@GoblinoAlaMode The killing curse doesn't destroy the soul, only dementors are able to destroy the souls by consuming it via the dementor's kiss. While Voldemort had tiny fragments of his souls in his horcruxes that were destroyed, his soul would have left him in constant pain in limbo. Ghosts are basically the souls of witches and wizards who were afraid to move on after dying, whether that be by physical or magical means.
spells in book 1: have to say the words in the exact right way + have to move the wand in the exact right way + have enough magic wizarding power spells in book 6: lmao "sectumsempra" gotta try that one
And to think, all they needed to do was make it so the death spell takes part of someone's soul. Which would put Voldemort a loophole that can allow him to use it infinitely, due to the horcruxes. It would make minor villains restrict it to a last resort,while making Voldemort even more intimidating due to him being able to rapid fire it.
That would solve two huge things: First, as said in the video, more creative fights Second, it gives the spell A LOT more weight because this would mean that you'd see it a lot less often. Which means when you do see it, it'd just be like a bit "Holy shit" moment because things suddenly get super real in an instant!
This wouldnt matter as the souls of random death eaters arent important to the narrative and they are brainwashed enough to cast the spell anyway. The average death eater casts the spell like 3 times before he is never seen again anyways so this wouldnt change much. A better restriction would be some decent activation conditions like eye contact or having the enemy restrained. This way you would know whats coming when the conditions are met but would also have both sides work to either make this happen or avoid it. This would result in the usage of more unique spells in order to be able to use avada kedavra. One of my favourite spells is actually the fiend fire, despite it being poorly explained and not brought up much it was a really cool encounter and had serious drawbacks attached.
I always thought it would work fine if they simply made it so Voldemort was the ONLY one who was able to cast the spell out of his desperate need for power or, better yet, make it so you die if you use the spell but Voldy found a loophole with the Horcruxes so he can stay alive.
The killing curse would have been fine if there were more limits. For example, if it completely depleted your energy, or if it took time to whip up, or if you had to be *extremely* good to use it, or if it inflicted some kind of damage against the user.
Exactly what I wanted to say. There needs to be some kind of drawback to use an instant kill spell. It renders every single spell out there worthless and the whole wizarding world less interesting. Hell, they could even make Lord Vordemort the ONLY person who can use that spell. That would make sense to why he is so feared and scary compared to every other baddie out there. But no, every tom dick and harry (ironic) could whip out Avada Kedabra to instantly kill someone, it's so dumb.
What if it chips away a part of your soul? Like it doesn’t even just break it in half. Every time you use it, even if it misses, a tiny piece of your soul is chipped away. Just gone! No horcrux, no dementor it’s just gone forever! That way, the death eaters don’t think they have a reason NOT to use it but in the long run they are FUCKED! ESPECIALLY at death!
If they cast accio handgun at any point beating Voldemort would’ve been the simplest task. “Harry Potter come to die. Wait hold up Harry is that a gun?” I guess it’s based in the uk though so probably not the easiest place to accio a handgun
Not really guns dont kill you instantly unless you get shot in the brain and even then who knows most shooters aim centre mass and usually it takes time to succumb avada kadavra is instant and clean there really isnt much of a real world equivelent that i can come up with that fits that discription. instant yes clean no both well maybe vaporisation or disintegration but i cant think of anything that does that perfectly either. avada kadavra does what it says it kills, far too many variables with a gun.
Because you can use it to open stuck doors. It was explained in the fourth book. Unforgivable curses aren't the nastiest; they're just the ones with no other utility than killing/hurting/controlling.
Still seems like an odd distinction to make, in the books they say if you ever use the three unforgivable spells on a person you go to Azkaban forever, so then that door opening thing should't matter if you use it on somomne.
you are definitely going to Azkaban (if you get caught) if you blow up someones intestines, but because of actually blowing up someones intestines. Not because of casting the spell itself. Casting an unforgivable spell is supposed to only have very immoral utilities. But one can argue that. On the other hand, moody only said that the three forbidden spells are forbidden, when cast on humans. Not sure if they are entirely forbidden. If you were to cast an imperius to save a blind dog/man from accidentally walking of a cliff, would that be immoral? I doubt so.
I think unforgivables might carry the penalty of lifetime imprisonment for even attempting to use them, while everything else is judged on the specific usage and context
Harry: EXPELIARMUS (A spell that knocks a wand out of someone’s hand) Voldemort: AVADA KEDABRA (ŁÎTTĘRÁŁŁŸ MÚRDĘRŠ PĘØPŁĖ ÎŃ ØÑĘ ŠHØT) Harry Wins Oh......
Expelliarmus* Avada Kedavra* GOF: Harry broke the connection DH: The Elder Wand recognized Harry through Expelliarmus and chosen not to kill Its rightful master who was at last taking possession of It.
I have some ideas: -Force the witch/wizard (henceforth the “user”) to make a sacrifice in order to perform the spell (for instance: in order to cast the spell, you must first lacerate yourself) -A charge time, like kamehameha in Dragonball (or any other major ki blast, for that matter). The user surely would have to conjure a lot of energy to cast such a powerful spell -Stamina drain (ie. The user is completely exhausted after using the spell) -The spell is so difficult, it requires multiple users to conjure -The green bolt moves slower than other spells and can be deflected fairly easily, making it ineffective without a proper setup spell, such as stupify or petrificus totalus -Using the spell shatters the wand that the user is currently carrying. If the user is strong enough to cast it without a wand, it breaks their arm instead (which is honestly worse if you ask me) -The spell works by slowly draining the life out of the victim, rendering them immobile as they die. This would give ample opportunity for someone else to step in and interrupt the spell, which makes the spell useless in a mass battle like the battle of Hogwarts
Or like Chainsawman devil contracts: It cuts down your own life span as you cast it. Death Eaters might try to kill as much as possible through other means in order to gain favor from Voldemort so they can start giving order to lesser Death Eaters while trying to preserve as much of their lifetime as possible.
Or instead of being an instant kill, it'd be more like Death Note and kill you after a period of time (anywhere from a couple minutes to a week), giving the victim a chance to retaliate, but in return was impossible to avoid.
How to counter Avada Kedavra: 1-Dodge! 2-Put some insects in stasis and stick them under your clothes (works on other not physics based curse like Stupefix, but do not works against incendio on crack(I don't remember the real name)for exemple) 3-Carry your loving mother around. it may saves your live, but it only works once, so use 1 and 2 with this one.
PS(2)-For maximum effectiveness, put a concealing hood and something covering your entire head unless you don't mind the contact of the insect on your skin... You will achieve super edgelord style and protect yourself against headshot.
or, if you are a truly evil rich wizz, curse a phoenix and wear it as a robe or necklace. Or just, you know, make it your horcrux figures microbes and small enough creatures either are unaffected or not enough to stop it
@@hugofontes5708 If you're an evil rich wizzard, you obviously won't be in the way of a killing curse. You'll have house elves ready to take them for you.
@@hugofontes5708 you can exploit a Phoenix for his tears and he can teleport you. You can't let your Phoenix die... Instead, you can take the babies of your sworn enemies and let them kill the babies themselves by turning them into clothes. Now this is evil...
The best way to have the killing curse not be the instant go to is to just have it take a few seconds to perform. Using it midfight isn't practical because you can't attack or defend. It'd also help emphasize how fucked up it is; it would exclusively be for executing a defenceless foe.
@@10dollarsteakneggs86 That would also be great to show how immoral it is. Exclusively used on defenceless foes, or on someone that doesn't know you're there. It doesn't really get more underhanded than giving the magic equivalent of a sucker punch.
@@vin2164 Potentially, but still too quick I think. It should take so long to cast (whether because of words said or because of complicated wand movements) that almost any other combat spell could be cast before you're finished. For example, Bombarda Maxima also has 6 syllables. There's no reason to use it in combat because Avada Kedavra takes just as long and has less collateral damage. The wiki I got that spell from says it was only ever used to blow down a wall. A high collateral damage spell would get more use from bad guys if there wasn't an objectively better option for them.
I don't get how avada kadavra(AK) is worse than crucio(C) because when they use AK they just die but C literally hospitalized a couple of people they don't even know they're son's name Crucio is worse than Avada Kadavra(change my mind)
I agree with that. Sirius Black says that they suffered a fate worse than death and Dumbledore says to "Don't pity the dead, Harry. Pity the living..."
Unforgivable curses are illegal and hard to use in Harry Potter. You know what's not illegal or hard to use? Diffindo. You know what it does? Cut things. You can literally cast diffindo on someone's neck and then they die, and it's slower and more painful which makes it seem more like something that a death eater would like to use. TLDR Death eaters need to get more creative with spells because their jobs could actually be very easy if they weren't all hellbent on using Avada Kedavra
I had one where Voldemort was holding two AK-47s and was charging towards me while I ran away. It should have been scary but he kept saying random movie quotes which made it way funnier than it should have been.
If I remember correctly, dolohov couldn't speak at the time, so he couldn't say the incantation "avada kedavra", which is necessary to use the spell. so he did something else to hermione.
Interesting... I never noticed that the VOCAL COMPONENT of any of the _unforgivable curses_ CAN NOT BE OPTIONAL (like all of those spells Dumbledore casted silently via metamagic and advanced concentration). -> Maybe "Avis" should have a non-optional rare material component (with the only alternative to it being some of the lifespan of the caster); this way it could both be used by normal Death Eaters (sparsely on porpouse, while still "available" for true emergencies); plus being "unlimited" only for Voldi.
Argamis (SilverComet) you forget that dolohov may have been unable to say the killing curse non-verbally, it’s proven in the book that nonverbal spells are very hard to pull off
@@vio-lence7267 and hey, myb he wasn't even trying to kill them because they were kids. Physical injuries seem to be relatively harmless in the harry potter universe, even severe brain damage in case of quidditch
@@jamie5661 In the movies it is blockable by Protego, but in the books it is entirely unblockable by spells. Only a wizard like Dumbledore can have the skill and reactions to animate a statue to take the hit for him.
There are a few reasons for Avada Kedavra's consistent use by Voldemort. FIRST, no other wizards want to risk the consequences of using the spell. It's one of the three Unforgivable Curses, and could land you in Azkaban or worse for just using it. SECOND, and perhaps more significantly, not everyone can just pick up a wand and use the spell, as with all magic in Harry Potter. Sure, you can say the words, but without the necessary hatred, strong will to see your target suffer, magical affinity and talent, all while maintaining a clear conscience without a shred of guilt, you can't kill someone with the spell. At the very least you won't be able to cast it with the potency of Voldemort - this can be seen through how even the Deatheaters rarely use the spell. Professor Moody explained this in his class - where he explains the above more coherently than I did: _“Avada Kedavra's a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it - you could all get your wands out and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I'd get so much as a nosebleed.”_
That's the difference between show and tell. What we are told by Moody is that it's very advanced and difficult dark magic, like a lethal patronus. What we are actually shown is very different; plenty of dunces are spamming it, and the effects are exactly the same no matter how powerful they are. The only difference between an Avada Kedavra cast by Voldemort and Crabbe is that one of them just seems to have better aim.
I’m just curious why Voldemort doesn’t use any other spell or curse to kill Harry? Like Avada Kedavra was a catastrophe for Voldemort once, you really gonna go for it again dawg? Like there’s so many other ways to kill a person, sic Nagini on Harry. Incendio Harry. Like I thought the whole point of the Harry Potter universe was to be imaginative and creative, but the villain has none of that
Dumbledore tells Voldemort that his biggest weakness is his inability to think of things worse than death, and it reflects on his fighting style. Spamming avada kedavra, which can be avoided by teleport (something even more broken and that any adult can do with minimal risk, making brooms and virtually every magical means of locomotion obsolete), instead of using tons of other effective and unavoidable spells. I'm not saying that Rowling did it on purpose, but it works thematically.
I dont recall anyone using brooms outside of quidditch, which implies it is “old technology”, qnd just used for athletic purposes and maybe a few close flights, kinda like bikes in real life.
Since apparation basically squeezes all air out of you there probably is a maximum range on it. It's also very uncomfortable. But yes it is kind of broken.
@@crazycodkiller Now I can't hielo but think that Quidditch was invented by broom makers to not go out of business. Anyway, at least bikes can boast that they're cheaper than cars, apparition on the other hand is cheaper than anything else.
crazycodkiller The whole gang uses brooms at the beginning of the 7th book when they all disguise themselves as Harry to confuse and escape Voldemort’s team of side hoes.
Yeah, but they only use brooms after some lenghty and convoluted explanation as to why can't they just teleport (or I hope there was one, did they expect to be tracked? Honestly I don't remember). They just jump all around England during the 7th book with apparition after that.
Avada Kedavra may be a stupid spell, but at least it's function is consistent every time we use it. It kills whatever it touches. Expelliarmus on the other hand isn't. One moment is disarms your foe, the next it sends them flying back, and another time it fires a stream of magic able to hold back the most powerful of curses.
I think Expelliarmus simply disarms your opponent no matter what so the more resistance it gets the stronger impact it will have. If this spell reaches you and you just let go of your wand not much would happen, but if you were to hold on tight to that wand it will send you flying just so you get disarmed. And my guess for the last one it's that the stream of magic is always there when casting a spell, it's simply to fast to really grasp. When it gets stopped halfway by another spell it stays there trying to overpower the other spell, resulting in the wand sending out 'more expelliarmus' to try and overpower the other spell
I feel like Voldemorts reliance on the Avada Kedavra is kinda in line with his character. You know, the thing he feared most and that he was fighting his whole life was death itself, and he believes that death is the worst thing that could ever happen to you, which Dumbledore completely opposes and so on.
The problem is not him knowing the spell, it's almost everyone on the deatheaters side, the spell is too OP and lacks creativity and seems too easy to cast. Should at least make it seem like one of a kind moment and debilitating the user after that one single use and not being able to use it afterwards, until fully recovered from last use.
The Spells drawback is it makes people overly reliant on it. He could a killed baby Harry supah punting style, shaking baby, superman punch, etc., but nooooooo! I have to point really hard on an infant baby!
I remember in book 7 someone was explaining how the Death Eaters now had control of the Ministry, with the consequence being, I quote, "they'll be able to cast brutal spells" without interferance. My reaction was...so what? They could already lob instant death at will, so what does this even gain for them? It could've been an intimidating moment, but we already learned the "worst curses" three books ago, so it just feels redundant. Speaking of Unforgivable Curses, the imperius has the same problem of being too strong, but it was so OP that it had to have a weakness written in: you can break out of it with enough willpower, or something. So it goes from the best option to basically unusable in combat.
Not necessarily, since we see wizards and witches under the effect on Imperius being used as mooks in the books. It probably would've been better to go the Nasuverse route where it's generally difficult to mind control mages since their bodies can purge external sources of prana/mana when they use their magecraft.
It seems to be rare to be able to resist the imperius though. I believe Harry was the only one in his class to be able to. And it isn’t just because they’re kids because it’s used to control government officials.
"they'll be able to cast brutal spells" That was actually about spells that can breach all boundaries. If they used those before they took control over the ministry, it would make everyone in the ministry aware of death eaters and their locations. Also news may leak(ministry of magic also writes newspapers) about death eaters and voldemort being alive since I believe it was not common information or a known fact.
@@DeathnoteBB it's about the difference between breaking into a heavily secured house and beating someone to death with a pipe. The ministry would know not because of the magic used(the trace is only on kids), but the protective spells being broken. So, unless it's near a wizard child you can Imperio all day without anyone noticing, meanwhile at least one of the security spells cast would be specifically designed to alert the ministry if the others are broken (at least, that would be the logical thing for them to do. There is a spell that screams if people exist outside during curfew so...)
The good guys are playing breath of the wild while the bad guys are playing COD One requires you to use your environment to your advantage the other one is just point and shoot
*-the other one is just point and shoot* Funny how people who say this always suck at first-person shooters. If it's just pointing/shooting then go win a tournament and make a name for yourself, while you're at it also go win a poker tournament since I bet you think "it's just luck" despite the fact that the same dozen players keep winning all major poker tournaments.
Remember when moody said that everybody in this classroom can use it but it will only cause him nose bleed. Yea, it's basicly what most deatheater will do if they hit someone but no one want to take the risk because... duh it has the chance to kill you.
@@idkwhyihaveyt8686 except every single time anyone, Literally ANYONE has hit somebody with the spell they fucking died no questions asked. The only exeption in the entire series is Voldemort himself.
I think it should be difficult to learn, and able to be blocked. Basically, the power scaling is off. Like, you should have to practice for years to be able to learn it effectively, and if a wizard is sufficiently powerful, it should be able to break through a parry.
For that to work permanently, you must destroy the 7 horcrux first, or the psychic link will remind him of who he really is... Make him like Lockhart...
Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality. Basically what happens is Voldemort creates 100+ horcruxes (one of which is a golden plate at Voyager or something like this, it has already escaped Solar System) and Harry instead of destroying every single one of them just obliviates Voldemort (he also thought of making him crazy and mindless like Nevill's parents using Crucio). That's just smart.
Bri'ish Harry Potter: We don't use that spell 'Murican Johnny Potter: As the first lesson for you 16 year Olds on the class of protection against the dark arts you'll use Avada Kedavra as you're allowed by the second amendment.
Wait would the use of a spell be protected by the 2nd or the 1st? You have to say the name of the spell so its speech. Is the wand the weapon? Or is the spell?
@@ralcogaming7674 In theory you cannot be tried for casting the spell in self defense, you might be tried for saying it without casting intent (saying the spell without a wand) if you're teaching it to minors, or for using it for manslaughter.
@@Saint_Wolf_ hmm but in universe spells can be cast without a wand. The wand just helps focus magical power or something (ngl im just now realizing how loose the magic rules are in Harry Potter) and some spells don't require the use of an incantation. So I guess the spell is the weapon the wand is just a tool.
3:03 true, the good guys have all those fancy spells to neutralise their opponent. That’s the reason, I reckon, why Voldemort always uses the ‘green blast’: he does not want to neutralise you, he always shoots to kill.
But killing is dumb. In the world of magic, why there's no necromancy spells. Or any other things to manipulate the enemy to kill each other or something like that.
Alternatively, make Avada Kedavra unique to Voldemort. That would even serve to naturally establish and validate his terrifying capability over every other dark wizard.
Actually no, you need a spell for the full purpose of killing someone. There are spells for everything so its only logical that there is a spell that kills. For balance reasons you could have changed it that only head and torso hit's insta kill, and legs and arms will rot and fall off.
There are already PLENTY of spells that would kill someone if they hit, Graf, that's the point. An OP, unblockable instant-death spell that anyone can cast is overkill.
Well, you'd need to give every other dark wizard some kind of spell that validates the fact that they don't use guns. Maybe make a lesser version of it that doesn't necessarily kill and is easily blocked. And also make Avada Kedavra even more overpowered to make it stand out more as Voldemorts unique spell.
Well, that's not exactly correct. There are spells that you can easily create that can possibly kill that all the peons use "*spell 1929734* is a spell that creates air slashes that can kill if aimed in the right spot." or "*spell 1929735* is a spell that creates a magical projectile that is meant to pierce most things." There. I've made a sword and a gun spell that peons can use. Why not use swords or guns? Cuz magic world that's why. You do not need a spell that is a one shot insta-kill that even the peons use. Making it a Voldeynonose special is the perfect idea. He's supposedly this great and powerful dark wizard. We never really saw him do more than what someone else could do, so why in the hell was he so damn terrifying? Oh? He has a one shot spell exclusive to him that kills on any contact and ignores any kind of magical defense and a lot of physical as well? Okay, that's pretty damn scary. I don't want to mess with that guy. By your logic we'd need a spell for the express purpose of bringing someone back to life, which would be op as heck as well.
the good old firebal and lighting bolt are enought to kill, if you dont mind the colateral damage, avada kedavra would be for a silent assassination, they could justify the spell being developed for wizards kidnaped in childhood and raised to be professional killers, that didnt mind losing years of life to use it, making the spell even more taboo
An easy fix to this would have been to make the spell single use, meaning that even if you were an experienced wizard it would take a lot out of you to do it. So rather than using it like a machine gun it would be more like one of those old muskets that take forever to reload.
Or tie it to the whole Horcrux thing! You use it, it kills both of you, but if you have a Horcrux on hand it dies and nothing happens to you. Dark wizards now use horcruxes as insurance and as a way to power instant death curses on people they really want dead
@@sethb3090 do you play mmorpgs by any chance? You literally wrote a meta game solution to fix a problem lol I love it. Horcruxes become the meta off hand item to equip for late game wizards.
Dude, the mud patronus would be infinitely more terrifying; *especially* if it was portrayed as friendly and cuddly! Dark magic should be so twisted as to create a being that tries to literally love you to death
I think Avada Kedavra should’ve been a spell invented by Voldemort himself, and it would take trenendous skill to be able to cast it otherwise you’d end up killing yourself in the process. After all, we have seen other wizards in the Harry Potter universe create their own spells before: for example Snape created the spell ”Sectumsempra” in his 5th year. So why not Voldemort? It would be fitting for Voldemort to be the first wizard in history to invent such a dark curse that is able to instantly kill, and it would be fitting if he’s also the only one able to cast it. Problem solved! Why didn’t JK Rowling just write that?
Yes. More unique spells please! It reminds me of the Nasuverse where a mage's family lineage often has their own unique spells and rituals that they keep shrouded in secrecy (like time-manipulation, unique curses, and abominations created or summoned through supernatural means).
As an extension to this, why not have spellcrafting classes? It would be interesting at least to have everyone craft a signature spell, which could then be used when fighting the death eaters to provide even more variety.
@@TheOneWhoHasABadName thats actually discussed briefly in one of the books. Its dangerous to craft your own spells and requires a lot of knowledge that is no doubt out of the scope of almost all school aged wizards. It is how luna lovegoods mother died.
He caused a huge explosion, which probably wouldn't work on Wizards because they could just block it. Everyone who died was a muggle, Pettigrew was completely fine, despite being in the blast radius (because the ministry officials found his finger in the blast zone, and he didn't have time to place it someone). It's also implied Sirius was fairly close, and he was fine
@@synthiandrakon Protego doesn't block Avada Kedavra. You can't block the killing curse purely with magic, you need something solid to block it. Honestly everyone should just carry around a buckler
I was just reading The Half Blood Prince and realized Slughorn showed Harry and the class Felix Felicis (aka Liquid Luck). He was just appointed the Potions teacher like a WEEK ago. Later in the book when Ron asks why can’t we make liquid luck, Hermione says that it takes 6 months to prepare. So was Slughorn preparing before even Voldemort was sighted to teaching at Hogwarts or what. That’s the same problem. Introduce something important in short term and it becomes ridiculous in the long term.
That vial of liquid luck was probably either bought by Slughorn for the occasion or produced by himself (as he is rather adept at potions), with no intention of giving it away (at first). Slughorn also used Felix 2 times already, so he is already aware of both the effects and the acquisition of Liquid Luck.
Knowing Slughorn, he already had that vial prepared in case he needed it while on the run. Then, once he was safe at Hogwarts, he decided to give it away to a student.
Sent to Azkaban is clearly the least of 3 evils here. could you imagine being suspended from Hogwarts? or worst EXPELLED? no soul sucking wraiths is the only right choice.
@@THEPELADOMASTER Personally, if Voldemort had *told* his Death Eater pals that Harry would ruin their rein of terror, he would've already won. Voldemort couldn't enter Harry's home because of his blood (Something like that), so if he sent someone who *could* Harry would be dead. If Voldemort had been 'less than a meaningless ghost', I understand why it took a while for him to get a person to: "Live in" Mr. S-stutters could've poisoned Harry during any feast/meal, yet he didn't. I assume since wizards are so dependant on magic, they wouldn't check fingerprints. Hermione or Dean (Examples of Muggle-Borns) could've known that he was poisoned and try to figure out who - or what - did it. The story would've turned into more of a Mystery than a World of Magic. But with our main man gone, Ron and Hermione would get more spotlight, trying to figure who killed Harry Potter. Trelawney could've made a *new* prophecy, dictating that either Ron or Hermione (It'd have to be confusing who it would be, since there are so little Purebloods and many Muggle-Borns). If it was a Muggle-Born, Voldemort's hatred for them would grow stronger, giving both Hermione and Voldemort more depth, if it was Ron, Voldemort would (The first few years) deem him unworthy to defeat him, and advise him to: "Join the strongest of wizards" (Continuing with Ron) He would try and persuade Ron to join him, being careless and saying: "A better choice than suffering a fate like Harry's" Ron would connect the dots, and then try to defeat Voldemort. Harry's only protection was his mother's love, Ron doesn't have that, if we add in that you can only *truly* hate the person you're casting the Killing Curse, Ron would be given some protection, as Voldemort hasn't heard of the prophecy yet and thinks of Ron as a mere stepping stone to his path of glory. As he casts the spell, it deflects, killing Mr. S-stutters an leaving Voldemort defenseless. Since this would be much to process, Ron would faint. We could do tweaks to the story, and make it Hermione or Ron the "Boy/Girl who lived" introducing a magicial world with a dark inside. It could be an interesting read, so I'm just going to set this up as a idea for a fanfiction, I'll tell you when it's starting/finished!
Head canon: Department of Mysteries was the wizard world's SCP. Of course, everything in moderation. One great way to ruin a SCP entry to make everything remotely interesting . There's no mystery if you know nothing at all.
I like to think that if there was a drawback to the killing curse, like a mental fatigue, it might have allowed more creativity. Like it's an all in kind of gamble, or you need to be sure you'll land the blow or else you'll be put on the back foot, thus requiring the Death Eaters to immobilize their opponents in a more proper duel, instead of just spamming green lights at everyone and everything.
If you put too heavy limitations on the curse, wizards would just use guns instead, right? The Avada Kadavra spell should be more efficient than a gun, to explain why wizards don't carry and use guns. Right?
@@apoptosisduellinks109 lol wizards are totally oblivious to the muggle world and their workings. They could never even think about using a gun, far too complex for them lol.
STUPEFY! In all seriousness, though, one of my dream projects is a shooter that uses magic instead of guns. You learn magic formulas that together create custom spells, and you equip those spells onto a gauntlet. Your MP or whatever would function as both your ammo and Halo-style shield, so constantly casting spells will make you vulnerable. I don't know if there'd be any way to balance multiplayer for all the gameplay features, so I'd focus on single player and co-op as I think an interesting story could come from it.
On the other hand, the LACK of a killing curse would kind of break immersion because it just seems too unrealistic that such a significant portion of humanity NEVER felt like researching the most efficient way to kill each other. I'm sure not everyone is gonna agree with me, but we are kiiind of an inherently violent species. All throughout human history, we've put our brightest minds towards "how can we kill others better" and usually only afterwards came up with civil uses for whatever we thought up. You couldn't tell me that thousands of years of wizarding culture led to the pinnacle being "a curse that makes your enemy dance wildly" or "a curse that makes them giggle really hard" without me losing all suspension of disbelief. Such a powerful spell should have harsher rules around it's usage, I fully agree on that part, but the complete non-existence of it would be weirder than not having it.
The issue isn't that It kills people, just that it is the BEST way to remove an enemy from a fight, due to not having many countermeasures, in a setting all about countermeasures.
In that case, I guess I'm sad that violence affects humans worse on an emotional and psychological level than it does other animals in nature. Not saying that they can't be affected by violence either - just look at how different abused dogs behave than well-taken-care of ones - just that we have the capacity to ramify those feelings into others through rational thought.
I feel like the death spell should have had a major consequence, such as maybe ageing you as many years as you stole from a person. That there would be a genuine excuse for Voldemort to be the only one confident enough in his immortality to use consistently
Foxtrot6624 or just incredibly taxing on your magic use an AK your out of magic points maybe 2-3 before top wizards are done. But really it’s a six syllable word just get out of the way
There is the consequence that killing someone hurts your soul in the Harry Potter verse, but that's kind of a moot point because the people who are willing to kill don't exactly care much about their own soul.
Herman Cillo and we never see anyone get affected negatively from killing someone. And really splitting your soul is a bonus. Now you can make a horcrux.
There'd be some problems with that though for Voldemort using the killing curse a lot, because while his horcruxes prevented him from truly dying, if his physical body dies, it's incredibly difficult to regain his former strength. He spoke of how he became like some kind of spirit that had to possess people and animals just to retain the tiny bit of strength he had. He may have been immortal, but taxing his physical body like that would have been very dangerous if he was expected to lead an army and a state after the battle. Unless the second body was supposedly far more durable than the first.
Transfiguration might not work because transfigured livings things into inanimate things might not soak killing curses. Instead try a pocket dimension with rabbits or some other critters in it. Carry it around with you and have another spell that detects green light and pulls the rabbits out of the dimension to form a tessellating shield whenever a flash of green light comes near you. Bonus points if you can make the rabbits invisible and become "the one who lives all the damn time for some reason". Bonus bonus points if you make this work for pretty much any color of light so that you become a hex-proof wizard god with a huge hutch of sacrificial rabbit bros.
That would literally be the wizards version of modern tank ERA.. Get shot by explosive round, just eject the plate that got hit, and the vehicle behind the plate feels nothing. Get shot with a curse, just throw a small animal at it, and move on.
i dont even get why 'avada kedavra' is supposed to be so powerful. like you said - it's just a gun. wouldn't the bomb spell be able to kill more people more effectively? there seem to be a lot of spells that could cause more damage even though they don't count as 'unforgivable curses'. they just don't get used
I think it's because for other spells you can make the argument that you weren't trying to kill someone. Avada Kedavra requires you to hate someone enough to want them dead, so there's no excuse for casting it.
I agree. It's also not clear why you can counter other spells but not AK. How is making something explode counterable? If they blow up the floor, can you just intercept a spell that's been cast out not in your direction? HP is generally poor about the mechanisms in its world. But I do think it's also part of what makes the world magical. It seems like even wizards have no clue why stuff works, they just adhere to hard learned convention for fear of accidentally obliterating themselves. Maybe that's also an implicit explanation of why AK is more useful, because no one wants to take the personal risk to fling explosion spells and see what happens if someone else throws one back at the same time. Or maybe it's just a known thing that it would nuke everything, so AK is the only one that's physically safe for the user(although there's a cost on their soul).
Unforgiveable, because they have no other utility than to cause harm and is very ill intent, meant to ignore your wizard rights. Also, I believe every single one of them (or just the killing curse) can't be deflected. Other spells can be deflected and is considered fairplay, even if they're just mischief (hexes), while other destructive spells (reducto is just terrifying) has its utility, kinda like how knives aren't banned in real life, but can pretty much kill people, but can also be used to help people as well. Sectumsempra should be banned though. Granted, Snape made the spell himself, so I don't think it's something people know about. Other than that, I believe a lot of spells have some policing on them (like teleports and port keys). Using the Unforgiveables will also get you into major trouble, even if you just randomly do it. And other spells like the Wildfire one carries a great risk to the user himself.
It's not like a gun. It's WORSE than a gun. Voldemort could have literally beaten Harry Potter 15 times IF HE JUST USED A GUN. Seriously! How much time did he waste just holding a wooden stick with some lightnings coming out of it, that can't even kill a BABY?!
I think Avada Kedavra could work. With a couple changes. 1st, EXCLUSIVE TO VOLDEMORT. You can't use it with a full, or even mostly intact soul, so only Voldemort can use it, due to horcrux reasons. 2nd, There's a limit to how powerful it is. Trying to use it on someone like Dumbledore, and extremely powerful wizards, would do next to nothing.
Maybe if it had some sort of drawback, like every time it was used it drained the caster's own life-span. This could even be something that Voldemort learned to overcome, making him even more terrifying (perhaps tied into his use of horcruxes or from having the curse being reflected on to himself). You are right though, she wrote herself into a corner with it. Great video, gets the noggin joggin'!
Broken concepts in the harry potter books and how they could be fixed; -Felix Felicis. Broken because it effectively makes the drinker unbeatable in whatever tasks their doing. -Solution; it should have a more limited effect, or it acts like steroids (aka comes with consequences to your health) -Avada Kedavra. Broken because it's insta kill, with no set up or any real skill required. Wormtail used it ffs -Solution; make it a spell that damages the soul (like horcruxes) so even the most evil wizards/witches won't over use it. -Veritaserum. A foolproof way of getting the truth out of someoone, so why is this not used in wizarding courts? big plot hole -Solution; Someone skilled in Occlumency can resist it, so it's not foolproof -Apparation; Broken because anyone could just disapparate whenever they get in trouble. JK rowlings "fix" (buildings with anti apparation magic) doesn't fix this -Solution; Should be an exceptionally difficult skill to achieve (like becoming an animagus is) Thus port keys and floo network also become more important -Accio; Why even bother having "expelliarmus" when this spell can summon literally anything? -Solution; Only items that have nothing blocking them (or holding onto them) can be summoned. Thus Harry couldn't use it to "cheat" in the first task. -Time turner; Rather Obvious why this concept is totally broken. It shoudn't have been introduced into the HP world at all IMO
The Time Turner was fine when first introduced. It allows you to go back in time, but it doesn't allow you change the timeline. Everything you do when you travelled back in time already's been done and accounted for.
Tbf veritaserum is already sort of fixed because this is in a universe where memories can be altered at will by any moderately skilled person (see gilderoy lockheart and obliviate) meaning nobody knows if the person who took the potion is remembering what actually happened or what they have been made to believe happened, either by themselves or by others. You can't tell the truth if you don't know you're lying. Ie death eater or criminal bribes guards or gets family members or friends to erase and change their memories of crimes they've commited the night before the trial. Now they don't even know they commited a crime.
Time turner isn't broken, because it lets you return to the past, but nobody ever said it can bring you back to your present. So, if you travel too far in the past, you will die of old age before being born in your present, causing s time paradox
The problem you describe isn't actually unique to Avada Kedavra, in fact. In, for example, a Dungeons & Dragons themed book, you'll see wizards hurling lightning bolts and fireballs a lot--the majority of mages, however powerful, don't seem to have strong tactical grasps of battle. Blunt force powergaming is the order of the day even those those game systems include lists and lists of spells that can all be situationally useful or tricky. And then, very occasionally, you get some truly inventive uses of magic! And it's glorious. In Harry Potter, though, it's worth noting that the enemy wizards over-relying on fatal magic is part of their characterization. The Killing Curse, Cruciatus Curse, and Imperius Curse, being mystified as Unforgivable, as seen as the pinnacle of dark magic. In a way, the Death Eaters making such frequent use of it, never thinking to use their "lesser" magic spells, renders them just as predictable to the good guys as to the reader, and it's precisely because of this that the good guys are able to one-up them by being inventive and clever. It isn't as if Harry and the gang don't focus in on a certain subset of spells, either, but since theirs are "weaker," they have to pick their shots better. It's a delicate balance. That said, one more point: the "unspecified curses" bit might also have been a nod to the fact that you don't always know what the enemy is casting. The books are always written from Harry's point of view, so if he doesn't catch the incantation, or if the spell is nonverbal, then the reader simply won't know what the spell was unless its color or effect gives it away. - Lewis
Interesting point. Though I'd exclude Bellatrix. She's dark to her heart, I'd even say sie would be worse than Voldemort, but she always has Something up her sleeve. Cruciatus is her favorite, and she very well knows how to use Avada Kedavra, but most of the time she comes across like a predator which plays with their prey, while usually being able to end her game at any time. Let's be honest, If it wasn't for plot armor, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Luna etc would have died in that battle, even if Bellatrix was on her own. Hermione is smart, but sucks at defensive abilities, Ron is.. well, Ron, and Harry is good, if not great with his patronus. But other than that he escaped because of his mother's love, or the connection between his and Voldemort's wands. I wouldn't say, that any of the three suck at magic, but they're just so focussed on a single thing.
That's some of the reasons that I enjoy RuneQuest far more than D&D. The spell system is made so you tailor your own spells and give them context for why they are the way they are. A lot of the power of the spell depends on the own power of the caster as how capable it is to bend the magic components into the spell. There are a lot of spell components that are incredibly powerful, like the ability to turn any kind of matter into another substance, like sand or water. It is explicitly told in the manual that some spells might be too powerful to both players and antagonists and they should be used with propper planning, so a lot of the real power of the spells created with the system comes from the Game Master and how he implements them depending on the setting.
Imagine if avadakadavra worked based on the fear of the person who its used against, it works as a intimidating, dangerous spell but it's situational enough to where it can't be spammed and would encourage variety.
If I remember right, the killing curse requires you to really mean it. I like the implication that a lot of the Death Eaters aren't totally sure whether it would work for them so they don't risk casting it in most situations. The only thing worse than using a potentially lethal spell and Harry getting away, is using spell where the only thing that can go wrong is your lack of conviction, and your boss finding out (as verified by magic) that you don't actually want his enemy dead.
Avada Kadavra has one single purpose in the story. To set Harry apart by surviving it. to make the fact of survival so miraculous it defines his entire journey and therefore the story. Everything else is just tagged on stuff
Why didn’t JK just make the use of Avada Kadavra taxing in some way? Or have some sort of significant magical or physical penalty in order to make its use more significant? Like using the spell puts significant stress on your wand and may cause it damage. Or it causes a temporary weakness to a specific element or other spell. Idk. Seems fixable.
Dumbledore in the books exemplifies the essence of what a true wizard is. His fight with a Voldemort is really how a true wizard would fight using different spells and tactics bringing magical items and creatures into it.
Here's what I think could've made Avada Kedavra interesting: Every time you use it, someone dies. No matter what. If you miss your target, or they're protected by someone's love, or what have you, someone dies. It's a death curse and it doesn't matter if it hits it's intended target or not, the curse is out and it will take a life. That would mean there would be SERIOUS risk involved with using it. If the attack gets blocked or you kiss your target or they're protected by their mother's love, someone still dies. Could be your target, could be the person standing next to them, could be someone from across the room, could be Little Jim the part time janitor just coming from from a hard day's work to his 13 kids and he drops dead in the living room in front of his family. You cast it, someone dies. Which would make sense for the good guys to be apprehensive about using it. And would allow you to write scenarios where a bad guy wouldn't cast it. Like in the middle of a battle for example because there would be too much risk that someone you didn't intend to kill dies.
Kye Dysarthria And honestly, shooting someone with a gun also has the same risk of killing something you didn't want to. The idea sounds cool, but collateral damage isn't that much a show stopper.
I have a similar problem with expeliarmus in the movies because it's like the only spell they use It's always pew pew red laser And the bad guys are all pew pew green laser These are magical wands capable of bending reality stop treating them like laser guns
But at least no Dark Wizard has had a spell that produces time-traveling groundhog day bombs that place themselves in the eye of your victim to blow up people who question the identity of the person who placed said bombs in said eye... ...yeah, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure has ridiculously contrived magic systems. x.x;
Contrived? Dude, time travel dynamite with a trigger based upon the user’s identity of being a serial killer is not contrived, it’s awesome. Check yo diction.
@@weaseltunnelerinokripperin8888 Kripperinons are everywhere. Also, while I like nen, stands are just so amazingly unique and incomparable to anything else. It is a whole other level of creativity and complexity, and the amount of shit Araki comes up with is just some of the coolest and most interesting ideas ever.
@@mattsmith457 I only dabbled/read a little into Jojo, but I was planning on reading it completely the during the next few days. On first glance, stands are a really amazing system.
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Uniquenameosaurus it is definitely a terrible spell. You know why. Because it’s really actually a curse. Which means you would be talking about a whole different thing.
Uniquenameosaurus how do you only have one reply on a million view video, geez
Dolohov was actually one of the best dualist in the world
1st time watching your vids and i must say you look so cute (i mean the avatar of yours is so cute )
That's fair
“Accio shotgun”
“HELP HARRYS USING A MUGGLE WAND”
G. Lu muggle wand sounds like a dildo
@@RiceCubeTech pls dont lmao
"You're an American, Harry."
+Just A Frog I hate you, but I also like you.
@@lanajane778 dont listen to the bad man lana. It's not a dildo..
I swear to god every time voldemort and harry fight its literally just expeliarmus and avada kedavra
It shows the perfect contrast. Harry is a more defensive person, whereas voldemort lives for being the one to strike.
@@lunayen also a shitty final battle. I mean I hate Twilight for its ending but it's better than two guys standing like two feet apart holding their wands in front of them hoping the other guys spells miss them.
The movies are awful. They took the priori incantatem thing and some people who completely missed the point went, wouldn't it be cool to see green and red streams connect in every battle? It drives me crazy because it happens with EVERY duel in the movies. Dumbledore even said that it only happened in the graveyard because of the shared Phoenix feathers. And again, it's just so boring to look at
That's my only problem with the films the fights are just colored lasers shooting at each other, for a story about magic the fights weren't so magical except for the Voldy vs Dumbledore fight of course
Davis Parks tHANK YOU, ive always hated this so much its so lame.
"The killing curse can't be countered"
Has the same energy as "No one can just deflect the emerald splash"
...god damn it
You joke, but the Killing Curse really does *splash* into green _(or _*_emerald,_*_ if you prefer,)_ flames when it hits a non-living surface.
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225 so it's the same type of stand as hierophant green
Don't we see the spell get deflected or countered multiple times in the movies?
@@BlackTearDrop yes. That's exactly what that means.
That is one of the greatest weaknesses in Rowlings writing: She introduces concepts that are very helpfull at the moment but cause massive problems in the longrun. It starts with time turners: If they work like in the main series they are invaluable to be in two places at once. If you consider cursed child canon they are godlike reality altering devices. In short everyone should use them all the time. Then there is veritaserum. Why are there still unfair judgements if that stuff exists? Just make it mandatory in trials. Again Rowlings had to write around it and make up excuses why it does not work. The fidelius charm: Totaly broken! Why wasnt James his own secret Keeper? Just to make it clear: I love the Harry Potter books! They made my childhood much more enjoyable. But that doesnt mean that as a fan you cant admit its flaws
There should be more fans in fandoms like you. Just because you like something doesn't mean you can't see the flaws in it.
@@DraculaCronqvist
Well the list goes on and on:
The quidditch rules make no sense and exist only to give Harry the Chance to win matches alone. How did Voldemort, Sirius and several death eaters get their wands back? Why doesn't Voldemort force every deatheater into an unbreakable vow to ensure their loyalty? If casting spells with two wands is more effective why not always use two...
Instead of defending such flaws or overcriticiszing them I just accept that they are there.
@@Toldoris The Quidditch one has always bothered me the most, to be honest. It is such a blatantly transparent way of making Harry special, thus devaluing the entire game. Why even bother with the Quaffle and the rings if the match can only be won by catching the Golden ball anyway?
"She introduces concepts that are very helpfull at the moment but cause massive problems in the longrun"
So like, JK Rowling's concept that all "people who menstruate" are necessarily "women."
@RuinedSilver
True!
And Felix Felicis cant be that rare. In the books Slughhorn is always described to be a little bit selfish, short on money and ready to make a quick buck. (First thing After accepting the job He asks Dumbledore for a raise and when he milks the spider poison and gets the unicorn hair he always talks about the worth in galleons and not that he wants to use it in potions. )
If Felix Felicis was that hard to get he would sell it for good money and not use it as a price just to motivate Students.
Another question is how Do certain spells work? Sometimes you need to concentrate your mind on something like with the patronus spell but in some cases magic seems to require nothing more than pointing with your wand and shouting some words without even knowing what they mean or what should happen. Harry nearly kills malfoy with sectum sempra without knowing what the spell does and how it works. And how do you invent spells? Just by pointing your Wand in the air While muttering random words hoping that something will happen?
What if you wore a suit of ants. The spell would always hit an ant and kill it instead.
You underestimate my bad luck my friend
@@JR-mk6ow For some reason I read that in RE 4's Lord Saddler when he says 'Writhe in my cage of torment, my friend.'
I've always imagined if you cast a particularly strong "Avis" charm you could produce a flock of birds thick enough to block the killing curse several times, then when you're ready to go on the offensive you could use "Oppugno" to make them attack :D
lmao when i was a kid i would always say "why dont they just summon a fly to take the curse for them?"
No you would die to it beams on you
I think the killing curse would be fine, they just should've played up magical dueling a bit more.
For example: If someone casts Avada Kedavra at you, you can just block it as any second year student learns how to do. No big deal. It's instant death, but only if it hits you.
But what are you going to do if they summon a big ass fire snake and send it after you? You better know the fire snake extinguisher spell, or a spell to conjure a lot of water, or a way to trap it in stone or blow it away or something.
Nothing is wrong with the killing curse, but it had a glaring weakness that more creative magic would've bypassed. You can't just "block" walls of fire coming at you or conjured/animated entities attacking you like rabid dogs, you'd need to come up with equally creative solutions to those problems. The instant-win-spell vs easy-block back and forth didn't make fights feel very dynamic, but the narrative shouldn't have relied on them exclusively. Avada Kedavra was a great spell, but its limitations should've been emphasized more and there should've been more creative battles.
This would also mean that the killing curse would be most effective when used against someone who cannot block the effect, such as an unarmed opponent or a surprise attack like from the shadows when you weren't expecting it, which further illustrates what a heinous spell it is since it is most useful when used in the most dishonorable ways.
@Deh But Fiendfyre is relatively unknown how to conjure. Hermione mentions that. Avada Kedavra is much wider known, It should be blockable. Not only because it would make duel more exciting and creative, but also because logic would dictate that someone comes up with a counterspell.
@@leventebardossy5962
Fiendfyre does have a counterspell, Hermione never learned it but does mention it.
As for the Killing curse, the counter is actually just any large physical object, because it only kills if it strikes a living thing.
A sufficiently large and thick barrier will always stop it, it's just a matter of putting one between you and the spell.
i would have loved for voldemort to use more creative trickery spells as well
@@Alexis-nd9kw remember Voldy is actually pathetic, and yes...maybe he was a bright student at hogwarts in his time, but the fact that he can’t even take over a school or kill a one year old child...
...he’s actually quite closed minded, he made many mistakes when trying to kill Harry Potter
@@ellisa8487 what a shame too
Avada Kedavra, the painless death. Sounds like a mercy.
That’s exactly why Umbridge is a more widely hated villain than Voldemort!
Much kinder than Secumsuptra or however the duck it's spelled
Chad Michael
Sectumsempra is literally a fucking sword
It even says it in the wiki
It’s a fucking sword
It’s just accio sword
is it painless? I dont think thats confirmed anywhere, and even sirius doesnt really tell harry if it is or not
@@cheatsykoopa98 I mean the spell just outright kills you so there is no "dying process" like when you're bleeding out or something so i have to imagine that you wouldn't feel pain.
You know what the Killing Curse needed? A trade off.
It unerringly (mostly) kills your enemy, but saps the vitality of your lifeforce and reduces your lifespan.
Would let it be used more sparingly by Team Evil, save Voldy who is protected from death in his mind and thus uses it with impunity.
That's what it does though, when he killed Harry's mother it literally removed a piece of his soul, and when he died he disappered because his soul was destroyed
Or imagine if Rowling introduced love-based soul-bonding earlier and every time you use Avada Kedavra (even if it doesn't land), you break one of your soul bonds and possibly even kill them. Bellatrix's husband pretty much served no role so it'd be interesting if she killed someone and her husband died through their soul-connection. The fact that she'd remain loyal to Voldemort would show how truly deranged she'd become.
Voldemort meanwhile would harm nobody but himself because he is the only person he loves. In fact that's exactly what gives Harry his Horcrux - Voldemort "soul-bonded" to murder itself, making his killing attempt fail in the face of Lily's sacrifice.
I could also see other interesting phenomena like Lupin getting a heart attack the night Wormtail killed Cedric, or Dumbledore in the Astronomy Tower telling Malfoy that he better pick another spell if he didn't want to hurt his parents. Snape's spell would be protected by the Unbreakable Vow and thus work directly into Dumbledore's master plan of having Snape kill him. And of course we'd have Crouch Sr. suffering from seizures while Crouch Jr. killed those spiders for several lessons.
This would be extremely interesting, a true tool for only the darkest of wizards who do not love anybody.
@leonardonetagamer The splitting of souls mechanic isn't really a trade off in the "I've lost a month or year of my total lifespan" sense though, and it's not really tied to the curse either its killing in general. Even then, Voldy just uses it for his own immortality bid, so its not really a deterrent.
What I'm talking about is the curse sapping away your life force, either aging you or simply making it more likely you'll just drop dead from a heart attack. Everyone likes living so it serves as a deterrent, except for dark wizards who cheat death and thus can notably wield the "life-shortening" death curse with standout regularity as opposed to just spamming the most spammed spell of his team.
@@Revenante_of_Asylum My gripe with shortening a lifespan is that anybody can die any day and you don't really know when that is so it may not matter whatsoever. Maybe if it instantly aged you that would be apparent, but somehow the idea of Death Eaters being all in their 80s sounds... unthreatening.
Unless your lifespan was tied to say your magical ability, and Voldy just had such a large pool he didn't care
@hyronvalkinson1749 It's definitely not a bad idea, but I think the proper solution is to give a condition that gives even self-interested baddies a reason not to use it, and there'd likely be only so many soulbonds you could blow through if you're channeling willy nilly. Worse, what if Voldy was one of Bellatrix's soulbonds? It'd be random if Bellatrix accidentally killed Voldy, and if its a chance he'd just order no one to use it just in case. Narratively interesting, but functionally limiting in a bad way.
And again, I think a lifeforce siphon is more elegant an answer because Voldy's been set up as already cheating death, his circumventing this limitation is already baked in and it gives him free reign to be the Avada king, whereas story as is the killing curse is just what even his mooks do so its nothing impressive.
Seems like more consequences for using the killing curse would be needed.
How about Avada Kedavra kills the caster as well as the target? It's a curse people utter with their last breath to take vengeance on their enemies.
This would only make Voldemort more powerful, because his horcruxes prevent him from dying. He could just kill at will.
Edit:Damn this thread took off! I forgot I wrote this honestly. Glad I could spark some discussion
Peppery Peppers goddamn that’s a cool idea
Peppery Peppers Holy fuck that’s cool
Or having a concept of hell or reincarnation so that if someone use the spell, their soul would be tortured or fully destroyed. With this, truly evil wizards could collect souls and use those souls as surrogate for their soul expect using it more and more would require more and more souls giving it a limit and dire consequence. Idk im writing too much for a youtube comment lmao
That would be stupid because there would be litteraly no reason for the death eaters to use it and would make the fights feel a lot less risky.
The fact that jk rowling couldn't think of this baffles me
J.K rowling: I don't want this character anymore
*A V A D A K E D A V R A*
counter point: a writer has infinite power, including giving a character infinite accuracy.
J.K rowling: I don't want this character any more
*DIFFINDO*
the bloody gurgle can scarcely be heard as [charname] collapses dead.
George R. R. Martin: Hold my beer.
J k Rowling: *kills fred*
Me: hold my butter beer
@@Sans-Undertale LMAOO
*Voldermort Joins The Game* "Guys! Look, i went to the muggle world and i found an AR-15! Let's go to Hogwarts!"
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks..
"Portego."
*Bullets fly away, pointlessly, aimlessly. If they were even on point to start with.*
"Anti-Portego counters it"
I am like a child in a sandpit, you can't challenge me mortal.
Capt Grovesy What about tanks or artillery
I'm pretty sure when everyone is in the lunch hall, whip it out and many students and teachers will wonder what it is. None of them study muggles so how would they know before its too late >:)
We're talking about the person who made time traveling devices that no one uses, (for not very good reasons) a potion that literally makes everything go your way, a map that should have shown Fred and George there's a weird man named Peter sleeping with their little brother. Rowling is infamous for writing herself into corners.
But you can olnly safely go back 5 hours. Also, all the time turners were destroyed in the battle of the minitery in book 5.
@@brazilianknuckles7900 Rowling also said Cursed Child is canon though..
@@brazilianknuckles7900 Surely they can make more. After all, they were created in the first place, no?
@@brazilianknuckles7900 5 Hours is a lot of time. If they used that at the end of The Goblet of Fire, Cedric would still be alive.
@@brazilianknuckles7900 who keeps every item that can you go *back in time* in one place?
Avada Kedavra: "kills you"
Bombarda/Destructo: "does literally the same thing without getting imprisoned in Azkaban"
I mean murder is murder- remember, Pettigrew blew people up, presumably with either of those spells, and Sirius got a life sentence for it- but the difference is that using Avada Kedavra in of itself proves you intended to kill someone, even if you failed, so there's an automatic life sentence just for using it. Basically the difference between owning rat poison, which you could murder someone with, and owning a grenade, which you're almost certainly going to kill someone with.
and it's even better because you can just aim at their feet. You practically can't miss
Those are called the "Forgivable Curses"
You will get imprisoned somewhere
Avada Kedavra has the often forgotten requirement of intent to kill, and thus is inherently evidence that you attempted a murder.
Any other lethal spell is almost certainly intent to kill, but it could *also* be someone being an absolute idiot-- for example Malfoy.
J.K should have just made Avada Kedavra a spell that Voldemort knew exclusively. A spell that he created and only he alone could cast. That way you retain the spell's threat but restrict it to one character so that the fights with the other Death Eaters could be more creative.
or make it so difficult and encumbering to cast that is not worth using it in battle, but for "cheap shotting" without retaliation.
okdghd I think Rowling had the right idea with Voldemort's soul splitting every time he killed someone. That being said... it didn't really seem to punish him outside of his morality, which he cared nothing for. It actually just made him stronger. Using Avada Kedavra should somehow punish the wizard or witch so they have to weigh the cost of using it.
Tell that to George, who lost an ear. Or Moody, who died falling to his death. Or Lavender Brown, who got scratched up by Fenrir. Or how about Fred who died when an explosion slammed into a wall? Or Snape who died from the poison of a snake...
If you want creativity in Harry Potter, actually read the books instead of just what's on Wikipedia or wherever you get your info from. Maybe you haven't read them in eleven years, in that case, reread them.
@@kipolephoenix2547 Well, those injuries aren't really cool. George was hit my a magic sword cut or whatever, Moody was shot out of the sky, and Lavender Brown was attacked by a werewolf. Lavender's injury wasn't because of a Death Eater spell, Moody would've died if he was hit by anything, really, if he would fall out of the sky... and like, George just lost an ear.
yeah like Kakashi using Chidori in Naruto, it was a jutsu he himself created and only he knew how to use
"A poor concept can handicap a writer, the opposite is also true"
Me: "A handicapped writer can make a poor concept...? "
And such it starts spiraling down to making all your characters gay
Ahaha
Assassinkill _112 to be fair, I think a fully gay cast could lead to some great plot lines and characterization. Imagine a scene where a dudes sitting somewhere and a girl walks in and the audience doesn’t immediately think “ah they’re getting married”. Like, so many possibilities occur! Every character being a bit gay would add something to what perhaps would otherwise be a boring story or just another drama.
Rosalind Hoffman wtf ok
Bailey Levanen 🤷♀️ idk anymore man
I feel like JK should have depicted the killing curse as something only pompous wizards aware of their massive amounts of power could use. Those who used the curse could only kill those who are weaker than the user, meaning that Voldemort could kill virtually anybody and first year wizards could use it only against non-magical beings and small animals who they overpower in wizarding strength. However, one could never determine the strength of their opponent (thus my reasoning for pompous individuals being the only users of the killing curse) since one’s wizarding prowess may lie dormant for many years. This would also come into play when Voldemort tries killing an infant Harry; thinking he could overpower a child, but is thwarted by the love that Lily possesses for Harry; the most powerful force of all.
This is an incredible headcannon thank you
This is the simplest, best solution to this issue I've heard.
Here's my add-on: certain wizards have spells that are most effective for them, and in rare cases, they can only use certain types of spells but the trade-off is immense power in that spell type. Voldemort could only use instant-death spells like Avada Kedavra but they can only kill those with less magical power than the user. Voldemort was the most powerful wizard of all time so it was no trouble for him but he fails to kill baby Harry because Harry had immensely more magical power. Moreover, he couldn't just strangle Harry because Harry was unique in that his power increased depending on his emotions. Seeing his parents die and Voldemort looming over him, Harry subconsciously channeled a protection spell so Voldemort couldn't get close, effectively making him immune to any methods Voldemort could kill him
@@RamenBowl2.0 That is convoluted and makes Voldemort basically useless.
The main problem is it assigns a number to power. It's the old anime problem. Saying someone's objectively more strong magically takes a lot of the magical out of it.
Avada kerdava
Whats that
Dont you mean "just a gun with extra steps"
I mean, if you shoot someone with a gun they can still be saved if it isn't a head shot. Avada Kedavra kills instantly witch is what makes it terrifying
@@skeleetoon It takes a Master wizard to perform a spell that can kill someone instantly.
It will take a master shooter with gr8 aim to kill someone instantly.
@@skeleetoon : from .50 cal onward its instant kill. Avada Kedavra is just a 20mm cannon with a long reload. using magic to make an Oerlikon levitate and follow you would be a far deadlier power. "Oh , you're hiding behind a fridge on the other room that has a concrete wall, guess AP 35mm ammo will do the trick"
@@zahylon5993 I mean, if you shoot a .50 Cal onto someone's pinky finger, I don't think that would kill them. In contrast, if you even barely *touch* the Killing Curse, you're just dead. Sure, it's slower and more noticeable by far then a gun, but I'd argue for making sure something's just dead for sure? Killing Curse. A gun might be more efficient for mass killings, but for singular assassinations, Avada Kedavra trumps just about anything.
Or a shotgun, decent aim, and a distance within 5-10 paces.
Oppenheimer: wait until they see what we muggles can do with this magic mushroom
That's the best worst thing i've ever heard
Oppenheimer is muggle Dumbledore.
just watch grindelwald, they showed a video of nuclear test
They dont have to wait
Doesnt the story takes place in the 80s/90s?
Nucleo Hydrogo Bombardo!
What does this have to do with Dumbledore's *intense sexual relationship*
Nobody:
Not even Dumbledore:
J.K Rowling: *"Luna And Hermione were in an intense relashionship"*
@@Nich011 lol, really?
@@shiv_ring no
@@shiv_ring But knowing J.K don't expect It to be a lie either.
@@Nich011 Just the fact that someone feels that they have to check that you're joking says a lot.
Ron: *sees vold*
Vold: *glares at Ron*
Ron: *thinks about his most powerful spell to defend himself*
Vold: YEAAAAVAAADAA KEEEDAAA....
Ron: EAT SLUGS!!!!!!!!
Remizovschi Pavel if it actually managed to affect Voldemort instead of Ron, that might actually have worked by stopping him from saying the whole thing, since Voldemort takes ten minutes to finish saying avada kedavra while anyone else says it normally
I can’t stop imagining that in every “Vold” fight scene. Thanks, I hate it
LOOL you made my day
Master plan, hard to fight when you keep puking up slugs
@@waluigist LOL
you made me realize that the better way to defeat Harry was just to kill Hermione.
Tio Clotildo - for sure. She doesn’t have any stupid mothers love bullshit or anything. Kill her, Harry’s useless
Cole James
Ron taught them both a bit too so kill them both
@@xlectraheart Yeah, Harry's practically useless without his friends...
Loser Me
yeah he knew everything about the muggle world which neither of those two did
@@xlectraheart Uh, Hermione is a mud blood though? She was raised in a muggle family. Also, I apologize for using mud blood, it's just so fun to say.
That's why Sectumsempra is the coolest/brutal offensive spell!
Hail Snapy Snape
snape is an asshole, james and sirius too only lupin was a good guy
Yeah I really wish they used that more often. Honestly I just wish it replaced Avada Kedavra
Sectumsempra is like m4, avada adevra is like AWP
@@robbegeens2885 bruh did you see his memories?
@@takemeaway5548 yes he was not as bad as we thought. but he was still a wierdo and an asswhole, hating everyone, calling people a mudblood (who have non magical parrents ofcourse :p ) and being a deatheater
That same writer has shown that we respect her characters more than she does
Lol ikr
@Michael, you mean the "Hermione is black now, you're all racists!" thing?
Or my favorite dislike for anything Rowling ever claimed "Dumbledore is gay", after merely setting up a strong friendship between two business partners, no hints for anything homosexual and then calling people homophobes when questioning that claim.
I don't mind gay people and I think it could've been an interesting point for Dumbledore for sure, but it just wasn't set up that way in the book.
That's like saying Ron's actually a trap or James is Snape's brother.
@@dowfreak7 ^ this right here!!!
@@dowfreak7 and hagrid is trans, real name hegrid
Jounazi Where does that come from? Never heard it
Someone once said: "a great magic system isn't what it can do, it's what it can't do" and it way better to see a character coming up with creative ways to overcome a problem with their limited magical ability. (A great example for this is avartar the last air bender, or legend of Korra)
Another good example is Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere. All the magic systems in it have strictly defined abilities and limits which means characters have to think hard on how to properly use them to the best of their ability.
Easy fix: Make it to where the spell requires a "broken soul" and then never explain it, then when the horcrux plot gets revealed it's all "oh hey I get it now." and that's why only Voldemort can cast it, and all the other death earters can't, boom.
PM me to find out where to send my paycheck Rowling, I'll be waiting.
The joke is outdated, due to TH-cam killing PMs.
So you have to kill someone to unlock an easy way to kill someone?
Yeah man thats cool and all but could you recite how to make a horcrux to me again?
That's actually a really cool concept
@@ElloLoJo yup, they do say the more you kill the more you get used to it, soldiers get PTSD from it, thinking about all the lives they ended and how they're never safe in the battlefield
They very easily could have made Avada Kedavra a much more interesting spell by making one simple already existing restriction much more strict: The user must have a strong desire to kill.
Every time Avada Kedavra is used, it's used so nonchalantly that I have a hard time believing that the user has a genuine hatred in their hearts. In many cases, some users even show signs of empathy, disdain, and hesitation. If the spell requires a strong desire to kill, how in the world was Snape capable of reluctantly using the curse to kill Dumbledore?
By making this requirement more strictly enforced, it would make sense for Voldemort to be the only wizard capable of using the curse, and only in certain situations. Sure, it's still a bit anticlimactic to just have a spell that kills somebody, but it could be portrayed in a much more grandiose and intimidating fashion when it's not overused by every mook on the street.
Let's face it, in all honesty, Voldemort comes off as kind of a wimp. Does he ever win a single fight onscreen? Every fight he's in ends in a draw or a loss. Sure, he kills people, but it's never as a consequence of a fight. It's always just to go "ooooh look how evil he is~" The simple change of making this curse exclusive to him would make him out to be so much more powerful and terrifying as a villain. And with the curse so much more unique, they could afford to make the attack much more visually impressive as well.
But the spell really only works if you have a strong desire to kill. You have to mean it. And you can't just say the words, you need to have a powerful magical power. Furthermore, killing rips the soul apart, and because of that few wizards apart from Voldemort wouldve attempted to use the spell
@@Paellain That's what's said in dialogue, but when every villain and their grandmother uses the curse, that point's kind of moot.
The answer is very simple, Rowling is not as good a writter as the media made it look like.
I'd do a different change. Simply make the Avada Kedavra lose in a fight against almost every other spell. Say it's easily countered by spells, no matter how strong the spell seems to be. This is because of how powerful the spell's effect is. Plus, it would allow for inventive ways to distract then use the curse, or paralyze then use the curse.
I agree with you except I think the idea that the killing curse is so unassuming and not grandiose is actually interesting. It's kind of ironic, but I like below's idea about making it weak against other spells
In the second film Lucius Malfoy almost uses avada kadavra on Harry in the end because Harry takes away his elf, Dobby. Like, he goes "aaavaaadaa..."
I thought that was a little excessive.
What the fuck is your username?
@@kinorris1709 LOL
@@kinorris1709, he apparently feels that "turnabout is fair play" is a universal truth.
nearly threw hands with a twelve year old
Funny thing is, that was apparently ad libbed. He was told to just start to cast whatever spell he wanted, and that was the first thing to come to mind.
Not to mention, it’s just a painless instakill. Someone like Voldemort is an absolute monster who would absolutely want his victims to suffer, he wouldn’t be satisfied with drop dead suddenly
He doesn't always want to do that, he wants immortality not just making people suffer. He probably doesn't hev time since he's chasing Harry.
Also he uses crucio sometimes.
if you really believe that then you completely misunderstand the person Voldemort, instead you just described Dolores Umbridge or Bellatrix Lestrange
He uses crucio too
Has a super long cooldown. Cast time is also pretty average.
If it's actually painless it should definitely belong in the healers arsenal as a method of euthanasia, just saying.
Actually, depending on how Crucio can work if you have the right intent, it might be a helpful spell for people with nerve damage - focus on the area and stimulate the nerves for instant rehabilitation. Instead it's a boring torture spell.
I've heard something like this called "the Transporter problem", as in the Transporter from Star Trek; basically, it's a plot device that winds up being an easy-out for a lot of scenarios, so the writer (or writers) have to come up with increasingly convoluted excuses not to use it in order to either create tension or have something more interesting happen, which just begs the question of why even introduce the plot device in the first place if you're going to expend a lot of energy trying NOT to use it.
That's actually kind of the point of Star Trek. It's supposed to be a universe where problems were pretty much solved. Resources are near-infinite and technology has an answer for nearly everything. That's why a lot of the conflicts in Trek are of a philosophical nature rather than a physical one.
*LUCK POTION AND TIME TURNERS*
the transporter in start trek was invented to not have to pay for the shots of a shuttel landing on a planet every week
They didn't have much of a budget for TOS. They couldn't afford making shuttle landing and takeoff scenes, so they invented the transporter. As cheap as that is, it's also pretty clever.
Regardless, in my opinion it doesn't matter that the transporter is technologically overpowered, because the best episodes are the ones where using it can't solve the central problem to begin with. Ethical dilemmas, philosophical conflicts, character dramas and such.
I dont think theres anything necessarily wrong with placing limitations on a plot device as long as the reasons make logical sense to the characters and to the audience. Risk management is also something to consider with the characters in the show.
I would fix Avada Kedavra by having a rule where the wizard must have either killed or seen death personally before they could cast it. I had always thought Magic in Harry Potter was half Latin stuff and half understanding the concept you're trying to envision.
No point in that Most Death Eaters have killed or seen Death so it wouldn't really change anything
I’d fix it by making all the other spells as easily lethal but potentially fixable (like, ghosts *could* still cast magic right? And are very common in the lore) but as Adava Kedavra destroys the target’s soul too and so they could never be brought back again or be a ghost.
@@GoblinoAlaMode The killing curse doesn't destroy the soul, only dementors are able to destroy the souls by consuming it via the dementor's kiss. While Voldemort had tiny fragments of his souls in his horcruxes that were destroyed, his soul would have left him in constant pain in limbo.
Ghosts are basically the souls of witches and wizards who were afraid to move on after dying, whether that be by physical or magical means.
spells in book 1: have to say the words in the exact right way + have to move the wand in the exact right way + have enough magic wizarding power
spells in book 6: lmao "sectumsempra" gotta try that one
So like thestrals?
And to think, all they needed to do was make it so the death spell takes part of someone's soul. Which would put Voldemort a loophole that can allow him to use it infinitely, due to the horcruxes. It would make minor villains restrict it to a last resort,while making Voldemort even more intimidating due to him being able to rapid fire it.
President of Whiteistan i was thinking The exact same thing
That would solve two huge things:
First, as said in the video, more creative fights
Second, it gives the spell A LOT more weight because this would mean that you'd see it a lot less often. Which means when you do see it, it'd just be like a bit "Holy shit" moment because things suddenly get super real in an instant!
This wouldnt matter as the souls of random death eaters arent important to the narrative and they are brainwashed enough to cast the spell anyway. The average death eater casts the spell like 3 times before he is never seen again anyways so this wouldnt change much.
A better restriction would be some decent activation conditions like eye contact or having the enemy restrained. This way you would know whats coming when the conditions are met but would also have both sides work to either make this happen or avoid it. This would result in the usage of more unique spells in order to be able to use avada kedavra.
One of my favourite spells is actually the fiend fire, despite it being poorly explained and not brought up much it was a really cool encounter and had serious drawbacks attached.
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I always thought it would work fine if they simply made it so Voldemort was the ONLY one who was able to cast the spell out of his desperate need for power or, better yet, make it so you die if you use the spell but Voldy found a loophole with the Horcruxes so he can stay alive.
The killing curse would have been fine if there were more limits.
For example, if it completely depleted your energy, or if it took time to whip up, or if you had to be *extremely* good to use it, or if it inflicted some kind of damage against the user.
Or if it wasn't unblockable via simple means further cementing it as a gun with extra steps
BIG BRAIN BOI
Exactly what I wanted to say. There needs to be some kind of drawback to use an instant kill spell. It renders every single spell out there worthless and the whole wizarding world less interesting.
Hell, they could even make Lord Vordemort the ONLY person who can use that spell. That would make sense to why he is so feared and scary compared to every other baddie out there. But no, every tom dick and harry (ironic) could whip out Avada Kedabra to instantly kill someone, it's so dumb.
What if it chips away a part of your soul? Like it doesn’t even just break it in half. Every time you use it, even if it misses, a tiny piece of your soul is chipped away. Just gone! No horcrux, no dementor it’s just gone forever! That way, the death eaters don’t think they have a reason NOT to use it but in the long run they are FUCKED! ESPECIALLY at death!
@@laraschroeder5195 voldemort, at this point, doesn't even has an afterlife. He has no soul
"Avada Kedavra" is basically "I CAST GUN"
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It’s actually
“Alast! A Cadaver!”
If they cast accio handgun at any point beating Voldemort would’ve been the simplest task. “Harry Potter come to die. Wait hold up Harry is that a gun?” I guess it’s based in the uk though so probably not the easiest place to accio a handgun
@@DrusinianX cant they just make one by transforming a random object into a gun ?
@@Astrhal Well, there's Wadiwasi if you're especially inclined on flinging high speed projectiles on people.
Not really guns dont kill you instantly unless you get shot in the brain and even then who knows most shooters aim centre mass and usually it takes time to succumb avada kadavra is instant and clean there really isnt much of a real world equivelent that i can come up with that fits that discription. instant yes clean no both well maybe vaporisation or disintegration but i cant think of anything that does that perfectly either. avada kadavra does what it says it kills, far too many variables with a gun.
Interesting fact there is a spell that lets you explode someone's intestines, and it is not one of the "forbiden" spells for some reason.
Because you can use it to open stuck doors.
It was explained in the fourth book. Unforgivable curses aren't the nastiest; they're just the ones with no other utility than killing/hurting/controlling.
Still seems like an odd distinction to make, in the books they say if you ever use the three unforgivable spells on a person you go to Azkaban forever, so then that door opening thing should't matter if you use it on somomne.
you are definitely going to Azkaban (if you get caught) if you blow up someones intestines, but because of actually blowing up someones intestines. Not because of casting the spell itself. Casting an unforgivable spell is supposed to only have very immoral utilities. But one can argue that.
On the other hand, moody only said that the three forbidden spells are forbidden, when cast on humans. Not sure if they are entirely forbidden.
If you were to cast an imperius to save a blind dog/man from accidentally walking of a cliff, would that be immoral? I doubt so.
I think unforgivables might carry the penalty of lifetime imprisonment for even attempting to use them, while everything else is judged on the specific usage and context
for like, teaching them, that could be a crime, because why teach a spell that only does one bad thing
Harry: EXPELIARMUS (A spell that knocks a wand out of someone’s hand)
Voldemort: AVADA KEDABRA (ŁÎTTĘRÁŁŁŸ MÚRDĘRŠ PĘØPŁĖ ÎŃ ØÑĘ ŠHØT)
Harry Wins
Oh......
Expelliarmus*
Avada Kedavra*
GOF: Harry broke the connection
DH: The Elder Wand recognized Harry through Expelliarmus and chosen not to kill Its rightful master who was at last taking possession of It.
RiggedFactions it didn’t matter what he used bc Voldemort’s spell backfired on him bc the elder wand wouldn’t kill its master
@@frogchip6484 but the last master of the elder wand wasn't Harry, it was Malfoy
Amaryllis Nightingale Harry disarmed Malloy when he got captured at the Manor, which made Harry the master
Hermione: it's Aveda kedavra, not avada kadabra" kills Voldemort
I have some ideas:
-Force the witch/wizard (henceforth the “user”) to make a sacrifice in order to perform the spell (for instance: in order to cast the spell, you must first lacerate yourself)
-A charge time, like kamehameha in Dragonball (or any other major ki blast, for that matter). The user surely would have to conjure a lot of energy to cast such a powerful spell
-Stamina drain (ie. The user is completely exhausted after using the spell)
-The spell is so difficult, it requires multiple users to conjure
-The green bolt moves slower than other spells and can be deflected fairly easily, making it ineffective without a proper setup spell, such as stupify or petrificus totalus
-Using the spell shatters the wand that the user is currently carrying. If the user is strong enough to cast it without a wand, it breaks their arm instead (which is honestly worse if you ask me)
-The spell works by slowly draining the life out of the victim, rendering them immobile as they die. This would give ample opportunity for someone else to step in and interrupt the spell, which makes the spell useless in a mass battle like the battle of Hogwarts
Or like Chainsawman devil contracts: It cuts down your own life span as you cast it. Death Eaters might try to kill as much as possible through other means in order to gain favor from Voldemort so they can start giving order to lesser Death Eaters while trying to preserve as much of their lifetime as possible.
Or instead of being an instant kill, it'd be more like Death Note and kill you after a period of time (anywhere from a couple minutes to a week), giving the victim a chance to retaliate, but in return was impossible to avoid.
Interesting ideas. I like the shattering wand thing.
Never heard that before.
I think a stamina drain and skill lock would be fine. That way it CAN be used, but it's only practical if you're powerful.
Those are good ideas.
Harry could've just drunk a cup of lucky potions and fought Voldermort
I believe i read somewhere that stated if you drank the lucky potion to many times in your life it can instead lead to disastrous luck.
@@coledarby665 Harry had drunk the lucky potion only once in book 6 so I think it's okay.
LMFAO WAIT-
@@anhduy07 It takes 6 months to brew. He didnt have that kind of time.
@@envo9059 It is still a broken item anyway as anyone could've made one and get lucky in a fight.
Good guys: “Let’s be creative and incapacitate our enemies!”
Bag guys: *cock guns* it’s death time.
Bad guy: I agree with Bag guys... That is why I don’t mess with them!
*guns c()ck*
OH GOD THE PAIN IS UNBEARABLE.
How to counter Avada Kedavra:
1-Dodge!
2-Put some insects in stasis and stick them under your clothes (works on other not physics based curse like Stupefix, but do not works against incendio on crack(I don't remember the real name)for exemple)
3-Carry your loving mother around. it may saves your live, but it only works once, so use 1 and 2 with this one.
PS(2)-For maximum effectiveness, put a concealing hood and something covering your entire head unless you don't mind the contact of the insect on your skin...
You will achieve super edgelord style and protect yourself against headshot.
or, if you are a truly evil rich wizz, curse a phoenix and wear it as a robe or necklace. Or just, you know, make it your horcrux
figures microbes and small enough creatures either are unaffected or not enough to stop it
@@hugofontes5708
If you're an evil rich wizzard, you obviously won't be in the way of a killing curse. You'll have house elves ready to take them for you.
@@saafi9723 Silly me
But the evil style points, though
@@hugofontes5708
you can exploit a Phoenix for his tears and he can teleport you. You can't let your Phoenix die... Instead, you can take the babies of your sworn enemies and let them kill the babies themselves by turning them into clothes.
Now this is evil...
The best way to have the killing curse not be the instant go to is to just have it take a few seconds to perform. Using it midfight isn't practical because you can't attack or defend. It'd also help emphasize how fucked up it is; it would exclusively be for executing a defenceless foe.
Then why not just sneak attack someone with a spell you can use instantly and also kills them
@@10dollarsteakneggs86 That would also be great to show how immoral it is. Exclusively used on defenceless foes, or on someone that doesn't know you're there. It doesn't really get more underhanded than giving the magic equivalent of a sucker punch.
It kind of does because for example stupefy is only 3 syllables to AKs 6. You could stupefy someone before they finished saying AK.
@@vin2164 I think it could work if it was like 10 syllables long so it would be really hard to use in combat
@@vin2164 Potentially, but still too quick I think. It should take so long to cast (whether because of words said or because of complicated wand movements) that almost any other combat spell could be cast before you're finished.
For example, Bombarda Maxima also has 6 syllables. There's no reason to use it in combat because Avada Kedavra takes just as long and has less collateral damage. The wiki I got that spell from says it was only ever used to blow down a wall. A high collateral damage spell would get more use from bad guys if there wasn't an objectively better option for them.
I don't get how avada kadavra(AK) is worse than crucio(C) because when they use AK they just die but C literally hospitalized a couple of people they don't even know they're son's name
Crucio is worse than Avada Kadavra(change my mind)
Ya but when you use AK you kill someone and someone close to that person can’t see them anymore
When you use C you can see them and still talk to them
I agree with that. Sirius Black says that they suffered a fate worse than death and Dumbledore says to "Don't pity the dead, Harry. Pity the living..."
Unforgivable curses are illegal and hard to use in Harry Potter. You know what's not illegal or hard to use? Diffindo. You know what it does? Cut things. You can literally cast diffindo on someone's neck and then they die, and it's slower and more painful which makes it seem more like something that a death eater would like to use. TLDR Death eaters need to get more creative with spells because their jobs could actually be very easy if they weren't all hellbent on using Avada Kedavra
@@Caroline28483
Still, it was learned in the 2nd or 1st year in harry potter games
@Jeffrey Scott except a fourth year who had seen it once could fight it so idk
I actually had a nightmare as a kid about Voldemort running around with a gun.
@Lolilnes Sure you didn't mix up two totally different dark lords there?
Imagine if during the final clash Voldemort used his other hand to pull out a gun and shoot Harry.
"Voldemort was my dad." wait how is that a bad ting?
you got pretty rad dad there LOL
I had one where Voldemort was holding two AK-47s and was charging towards me while I ran away. It should have been scary but he kept saying random movie quotes which made it way funnier than it should have been.
Bah, muggle weapons...
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If I remember correctly, dolohov couldn't speak at the time, so he couldn't say the incantation "avada kedavra", which is necessary to use the spell. so he did something else to hermione.
Interesting... I never noticed that the VOCAL COMPONENT of any of the _unforgivable curses_ CAN NOT BE OPTIONAL (like all of those spells Dumbledore casted silently via metamagic and advanced concentration).
-> Maybe "Avis" should have a non-optional rare material component (with the only alternative to it being some of the lifespan of the caster); this way it could both be used by normal Death Eaters (sparsely on porpouse, while still "available" for true emergencies); plus being "unlimited" only for Voldi.
Argamis (SilverComet) you forget that dolohov may have been unable to say the killing curse non-verbally, it’s proven in the book that nonverbal spells are very hard to pull off
FrogChip even tho its hard to pull it off Dolohov was one of the most powerful deatheater. Only Snape and Bellatrix could match his powers.
@@vio-lence7267 and hey, myb he wasn't even trying to kill them because they were kids. Physical injuries seem to be relatively harmless in the harry potter universe, even severe brain damage in case of quidditch
Yes. Hermione used Silencio on him.
"The killing curse cant be countered"
Dumbledore: Ha ha gold statue go brrrr
The killing curse has been blocked by harry molly and hermione u can fs block it lol there’s so many examples he definitely has just read it lol
@@jamie5661 In the movies it is blockable by Protego, but in the books it is entirely unblockable by spells. Only a wizard like Dumbledore can have the skill and reactions to animate a statue to take the hit for him.
@@RomanRodri23 Protego? where?
There are a few reasons for Avada Kedavra's consistent use by Voldemort.
FIRST, no other wizards want to risk the consequences of using the spell. It's one of the three Unforgivable Curses, and could land you in Azkaban or worse for just using it.
SECOND, and perhaps more significantly, not everyone can just pick up a wand and use the spell, as with all magic in Harry Potter. Sure, you can say the words, but without the necessary hatred, strong will to see your target suffer, magical affinity and talent, all while maintaining a clear conscience without a shred of guilt, you can't kill someone with the spell. At the very least you won't be able to cast it with the potency of Voldemort - this can be seen through how even the Deatheaters rarely use the spell.
Professor Moody explained this in his class - where he explains the above more coherently than I did:
_“Avada Kedavra's a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it - you could all get your wands out and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I'd get so much as a nosebleed.”_
Why did I read that in Mad-eyes voice ...
So Crabbe would scratch Hermione's skin with it at best? Sure, hatred, desire, maybe clear conscience, but I don't see him powerful enough to cast it.
That's the difference between show and tell. What we are told by Moody is that it's very advanced and difficult dark magic, like a lethal patronus. What we are actually shown is very different; plenty of dunces are spamming it, and the effects are exactly the same no matter how powerful they are.
The only difference between an Avada Kedavra cast by Voldemort and Crabbe is that one of them just seems to have better aim.
Avada Kadavra doesn't cause pain and suffering. when the spell is used the person does painlessly
I’m just curious why Voldemort doesn’t use any other spell or curse to kill Harry? Like Avada Kedavra was a catastrophe for Voldemort once, you really gonna go for it again dawg? Like there’s so many other ways to kill a person, sic Nagini on Harry. Incendio Harry. Like I thought the whole point of the Harry Potter universe was to be imaginative and creative, but the villain has none of that
Dumbledore tells Voldemort that his biggest weakness is his inability to think of things worse than death, and it reflects on his fighting style. Spamming avada kedavra, which can be avoided by teleport (something even more broken and that any adult can do with minimal risk, making brooms and virtually every magical means of locomotion obsolete), instead of using tons of other effective and unavoidable spells. I'm not saying that Rowling did it on purpose, but it works thematically.
I dont recall anyone using brooms outside of quidditch, which implies it is “old technology”, qnd just used for athletic purposes and maybe a few close flights, kinda like bikes in real life.
Since apparation basically squeezes all air out of you there probably is a maximum range on it. It's also very uncomfortable. But yes it is kind of broken.
@@crazycodkiller Now I can't hielo but think that Quidditch was invented by broom makers to not go out of business. Anyway, at least bikes can boast that they're cheaper than cars, apparition on the other hand is cheaper than anything else.
crazycodkiller The whole gang uses brooms at the beginning of the 7th book when they all disguise themselves as Harry to confuse and escape Voldemort’s team of side hoes.
Yeah, but they only use brooms after some lenghty and convoluted explanation as to why can't they just teleport (or I hope there was one, did they expect to be tracked? Honestly I don't remember). They just jump all around England during the 7th book with apparition after that.
Avada Kedavra may be a stupid spell, but at least it's function is consistent every time we use it. It kills whatever it touches. Expelliarmus on the other hand isn't. One moment is disarms your foe, the next it sends them flying back, and another time it fires a stream of magic able to hold back the most powerful of curses.
Zeldagigafan The REAL killing curse...
Hm, that sounds suspiciously similar to Chaos Control from the Sonic franchise. What does it do? I dunno, whatever the plot needs it to.
I think Expelliarmus simply disarms your opponent no matter what so the more resistance it gets the stronger impact it will have. If this spell reaches you and you just let go of your wand not much would happen, but if you were to hold on tight to that wand it will send you flying just so you get disarmed. And my guess for the last one it's that the stream of magic is always there when casting a spell, it's simply to fast to really grasp. When it gets stopped halfway by another spell it stays there trying to overpower the other spell, resulting in the wand sending out 'more expelliarmus' to try and overpower the other spell
The thought of Harry going CHAOS CONTROL and then roundhouse kicking Malfoy in the head is amazing
i think that's the movies
Americans after failing a test in Hogwarts: "Some people think they can out smart me. Maybe. maybe. I've yet to meet one who can outsmart BOOLET.
*insert HWG laughing here.
I mean, snake man can stop very telegraphed attacks. Try deflecting a fucking bullet shot from inside a pocket
CRY SOME MOOOORE
First thing you gotta understand stand about magic is guns beat magic every time.
@@ralcogaming7674 what if the wizard is a weird old paedo who wanted you to shoot so he could pull some obi-wan bullshit
I feel like Voldemorts reliance on the Avada Kedavra is kinda in line with his character. You know, the thing he feared most and that he was fighting his whole life was death itself, and he believes that death is the worst thing that could ever happen to you, which Dumbledore completely opposes and so on.
The problem is not him knowing the spell, it's almost everyone on the deatheaters side, the spell is too OP and lacks creativity and seems too easy to cast. Should at least make it seem like one of a kind moment and debilitating the user after that one single use and not being able to use it afterwards, until fully recovered from last use.
@@joynelbonetdelgado4952 lol that still wouldn't apply to this monster Voldemort
The Spells drawback is it makes people overly reliant on it. He could a killed baby Harry supah punting style, shaking baby, superman punch, etc., but nooooooo! I have to point really hard on an infant baby!
Joynel Bonet Delgado Why would you ever expect the bad guys to be creative? He’s right, it’s the gun spell. Why would the bad guys not use a gun?
@Snoi Med he did try to poke the baby, but he poked the mom instead😘
You can tell that the Deatheaters never played Final Fantasy. If they had they'd know that death spells rarely land.
Robin Thrush haha yeah instant kill spells with 2% hit chance xD
Better cast an invisibility on your target first...
@@Atlessa No items or experience if they do that. 😁
Wait... really? I NEVER noticed that...
@@Atlessa Yeah, that's why people don't use that x-zone trick on bosses with unique drops
Absolutely incredible video my dude.
Holy shit its the cat at 3am guy
A random Gus Johnson appears!
Wassup dad
Scrolling through and I see Bus Jackson! Wow
I remember in book 7 someone was explaining how the Death Eaters now had control of the Ministry, with the consequence being, I quote, "they'll be able to cast brutal spells" without interferance.
My reaction was...so what? They could already lob instant death at will, so what does this even gain for them? It could've been an intimidating moment, but we already learned the "worst curses" three books ago, so it just feels redundant.
Speaking of Unforgivable Curses, the imperius has the same problem of being too strong, but it was so OP that it had to have a weakness written in: you can break out of it with enough willpower, or something. So it goes from the best option to basically unusable in combat.
Not necessarily, since we see wizards and witches under the effect on Imperius being used as mooks in the books. It probably would've been better to go the Nasuverse route where it's generally difficult to mind control mages since their bodies can purge external sources of prana/mana when they use their magecraft.
It seems to be rare to be able to resist the imperius though. I believe Harry was the only one in his class to be able to. And it isn’t just because they’re kids because it’s used to control government officials.
"they'll be able to cast brutal spells" That was actually about spells that can breach all boundaries. If they used those before they took control over the ministry, it would make everyone in the ministry aware of death eaters and their locations. Also news may leak(ministry of magic also writes newspapers) about death eaters and voldemort being alive since I believe it was not common information or a known fact.
@@mimijeet9921 So what, the 3 Unforgivable Curses weren’t enough to alert the ministry?
@@DeathnoteBB it's about the difference between breaking into a heavily secured house and beating someone to death with a pipe.
The ministry would know not because of the magic used(the trace is only on kids), but the protective spells being broken. So, unless it's near a wizard child you can Imperio all day without anyone noticing, meanwhile at least one of the security spells cast would be specifically designed to alert the ministry if the others are broken (at least, that would be the logical thing for them to do. There is a spell that screams if people exist outside during curfew so...)
The good guys are playing breath of the wild while the bad guys are playing COD
One requires you to use your environment to your advantage the other one is just point and shoot
*-the other one is just point and shoot*
Funny how people who say this always suck at first-person shooters. If it's just pointing/shooting then go win a tournament and make a name for yourself, while you're at it also go win a poker tournament since I bet you think "it's just luck" despite the fact that the same dozen players keep winning all major poker tournaments.
Link vs Price is a fight I wanna see.
Only if it's original voice capt price
They should have increased the skill level so that only people like Voldemort, Dumbledore should be able to pull it off consistently.
Remember when moody said that everybody in this classroom can use it but it will only cause him nose bleed. Yea, it's basicly what most deatheater will do if they hit someone but no one want to take the risk because... duh it has the chance to kill you.
If there would be no spell that kills, would wizard not carry and use guns alongside their wands?
@@idkwhyihaveyt8686 except every single time anyone, Literally ANYONE has hit somebody with the spell they fucking died no questions asked. The only exeption in the entire series is Voldemort himself.
@@alzhanvoid LMAO
I think it should be difficult to learn, and able to be blocked. Basically, the power scaling is off. Like, you should have to practice for years to be able to learn it effectively, and if a wizard is sufficiently powerful, it should be able to break through a parry.
Using obliviate on Voldemort lol
For that to work permanently, you must destroy the 7 horcrux first, or the psychic link will remind him of who he really is... Make him like Lockhart...
TheBlackCat viewerAccount na it would work, Unless Voldemorts Occlumency is strong enough to negate it directly or over time
Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality.
Basically what happens is Voldemort creates 100+ horcruxes (one of which is a golden plate at Voyager or something like this, it has already escaped Solar System) and Harry instead of destroying every single one of them just obliviates Voldemort (he also thought of making him crazy and mindless like Nevill's parents using Crucio).
That's just smart.
@@neyte7313 if voldemort created an 100+ horcruxes he wouldnt be able to live cuz look what happened to his body after making 7 horcruxes
Chat Bloom his body is so misshapen because he used a horcrux to make himself a *new* body
Bri'ish Harry Potter: We don't use that spell
'Murican Johnny Potter: As the first lesson for you 16 year Olds on the class of protection against the dark arts you'll use Avada Kedavra as you're allowed by the second amendment.
Wait would the use of a spell be protected by the 2nd or the 1st? You have to say the name of the spell so its speech. Is the wand the weapon? Or is the spell?
@@ralcogaming7674 In theory you cannot be tried for casting the spell in self defense, you might be tried for saying it without casting intent (saying the spell without a wand) if you're teaching it to minors, or for using it for manslaughter.
@@Saint_Wolf_ hmm but in universe spells can be cast without a wand. The wand just helps focus magical power or something (ngl im just now realizing how loose the magic rules are in Harry Potter) and some spells don't require the use of an incantation. So I guess the spell is the weapon the wand is just a tool.
@@ralcogaming7674 I mean you can prime a bullet without a gun, the gun is just the tool too.
@@Saint_Wolf_ exactly. So yeah the use of the spell would be protected by both the first and 2nd amendment in America.
“Specifically in the department of WTF is that?” ... my sentiments exactly. Glad you’re enjoying the series! McGonagall is so badass.
3:03 true, the good guys have all those fancy spells to neutralise their opponent. That’s the reason, I reckon, why Voldemort always uses the ‘green blast’: he does not want to neutralise you, he always shoots to kill.
Emphasis on the shoot.
Hey man; I'd shoot to kill, not shoot to thrill.
But killing is dumb.
In the world of magic, why there's no necromancy spells. Or any other things to manipulate the enemy to kill each other or something like that.
Alternatively, make Avada Kedavra unique to Voldemort. That would even serve to naturally establish and validate his terrifying capability over every other dark wizard.
Actually no, you need a spell for the full purpose of killing someone. There are spells for everything so its only logical that there is a spell that kills.
For balance reasons you could have changed it that only head and torso hit's insta kill, and legs and arms will rot and fall off.
There are already PLENTY of spells that would kill someone if they hit, Graf, that's the point. An OP, unblockable instant-death spell that anyone can cast is overkill.
Well, you'd need to give every other dark wizard some kind of spell that validates the fact that they don't use guns. Maybe make a lesser version of it that doesn't necessarily kill and is easily blocked. And also make Avada Kedavra even more overpowered to make it stand out more as Voldemorts unique spell.
Well, that's not exactly correct. There are spells that you can easily create that can possibly kill that all the peons use "*spell 1929734* is a spell that creates air slashes that can kill if aimed in the right spot." or "*spell 1929735* is a spell that creates a magical projectile that is meant to pierce most things." There. I've made a sword and a gun spell that peons can use. Why not use swords or guns? Cuz magic world that's why. You do not need a spell that is a one shot insta-kill that even the peons use. Making it a Voldeynonose special is the perfect idea. He's supposedly this great and powerful dark wizard. We never really saw him do more than what someone else could do, so why in the hell was he so damn terrifying? Oh? He has a one shot spell exclusive to him that kills on any contact and ignores any kind of magical defense and a lot of physical as well? Okay, that's pretty damn scary. I don't want to mess with that guy. By your logic we'd need a spell for the express purpose of bringing someone back to life, which would be op as heck as well.
the good old firebal and lighting bolt are enought to kill, if you dont mind the colateral damage, avada kedavra would be for a silent assassination, they could justify the spell being developed for wizards kidnaped in childhood and raised to be professional killers, that didnt mind losing years of life to use it, making the spell even more taboo
An easy fix to this would have been to make the spell single use, meaning that even if you were an experienced wizard it would take a lot out of you to do it. So rather than using it like a machine gun it would be more like one of those old muskets that take forever to reload.
Or tie it to the whole Horcrux thing!
You use it, it kills both of you, but if you have a Horcrux on hand it dies and nothing happens to you. Dark wizards now use horcruxes as insurance and as a way to power instant death curses on people they really want dead
@@sethb3090 do you play mmorpgs by any chance? You literally wrote a meta game solution to fix a problem lol I love it. Horcruxes become the meta off hand item to equip for late game wizards.
@@sethb3090 And then every dark mage have an Horcrux and the problem is back.
Dude, the mud patronus would be infinitely more terrifying; *especially* if it was portrayed as friendly and cuddly! Dark magic should be so twisted as to create a being that tries to literally love you to death
I think Avada Kedavra should’ve been a spell invented by Voldemort himself, and it would take trenendous skill to be able to cast it otherwise you’d end up killing yourself in the process. After all, we have seen other wizards in the Harry Potter universe create their own spells before: for example Snape created the spell ”Sectumsempra” in his 5th year. So why not Voldemort? It would be fitting for Voldemort to be the first wizard in history to invent such a dark curse that is able to instantly kill, and it would be fitting if he’s also the only one able to cast it.
Problem solved! Why didn’t JK Rowling just write that?
Yes. More unique spells please! It reminds me of the Nasuverse where a mage's family lineage often has their own unique spells and rituals that they keep shrouded in secrecy (like time-manipulation, unique curses, and abominations created or summoned through supernatural means).
As an extension to this, why not have spellcrafting classes? It would be interesting at least to have everyone craft a signature spell, which could then be used when fighting the death eaters to provide even more variety.
@@TheOneWhoHasABadName thats actually discussed briefly in one of the books. Its dangerous to craft your own spells and requires a lot of knowledge that is no doubt out of the scope of almost all school aged wizards. It is how luna lovegoods mother died.
@@thuranz2773 Man of culture eh? Nasuverse is awesome.
I always found it weird that Peter Pettigrew killed 13 people with a single spell while Voldemort was just using avada kedavra.
Pettigrew > Voldemort
He caused a huge explosion, which probably wouldn't work on Wizards because they could just block it. Everyone who died was a muggle, Pettigrew was completely fine, despite being in the blast radius (because the ministry officials found his finger in the blast zone, and he didn't have time to place it someone). It's also implied Sirius was fairly close, and he was fine
Sirius also thought Pettigrew died in the explosion, and he was right there
@@MaxonerousX you can block avada kadavra with a spell taught to 12 year olds
@@synthiandrakon Protego doesn't block Avada Kedavra. You can't block the killing curse purely with magic, you need something solid to block it. Honestly everyone should just carry around a buckler
@@MaxonerousX What i really wan't to know, is why the ministry didn't put a taboo on the unforgivable curses. Like logically there is no reason not tp
I was just reading The Half Blood Prince and realized Slughorn showed Harry and the class Felix Felicis (aka Liquid Luck). He was just appointed the Potions teacher like a WEEK ago. Later in the book when Ron asks why can’t we make liquid luck, Hermione says that it takes 6 months to prepare.
So was Slughorn preparing before even Voldemort was sighted to teaching at Hogwarts or what. That’s the same problem. Introduce something important in short term and it becomes ridiculous in the long term.
I think he also says it's dangerous to take too much of it
That vial of liquid luck was probably either bought by Slughorn for the occasion or produced by himself (as he is rather adept at potions), with no intention of giving it away (at first). Slughorn also used Felix 2 times already, so he is already aware of both the effects and the acquisition of Liquid Luck.
Knowing Slughorn, he already had that vial prepared in case he needed it while on the run. Then, once he was safe at Hogwarts, he decided to give it away to a student.
You can get suspended in school for using this spell.
Michael Jay - Value Investing Instead of getting thrown in jail. You know, for murder.
Or worse, expelled!
Suspended, Expelled, charged with Murder and sent to a prison of incarnations of Depressions (Dementors), pick your poison
Sent to Azkaban is clearly the least of 3 evils here. could you imagine being suspended from Hogwarts? or worst EXPELLED? no soul sucking wraiths is the only right choice.
4Nicholas7 actually read that in Emma Watson's voice lol. British accent is a wonderful thing.
So when are you gonna review the manga
Justin Y. Hi justin
When the cursed child kills itself
I FOUND YOU
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Justin Y. Oh fucking hell.
With a spell that just oneshots people one would expect wizard to actually train as rogues and stealth
Right? Harry just going about his business in the muggle world and some random dude whips out a wand and bam. Dead.
@@THEPELADOMASTER Personally, if Voldemort had *told* his Death Eater pals that Harry would ruin their rein of terror, he would've already won. Voldemort couldn't enter Harry's home because of his blood (Something like that), so if he sent someone who *could* Harry would be dead. If Voldemort had been 'less than a meaningless ghost', I understand why it took a while for him to get a person to: "Live in"
Mr. S-stutters could've poisoned Harry during any feast/meal, yet he didn't. I assume since wizards are so dependant on magic, they wouldn't check fingerprints.
Hermione or Dean (Examples of Muggle-Borns) could've known that he was poisoned and try to figure out who - or what - did it. The story would've turned into more of a Mystery than a World of Magic. But with our main man gone, Ron and Hermione would get more spotlight, trying to figure who killed Harry Potter. Trelawney could've made a *new* prophecy, dictating that either Ron or Hermione (It'd have to be confusing who it would be, since there are so little Purebloods and many Muggle-Borns). If it was a Muggle-Born, Voldemort's hatred for them would grow stronger, giving both Hermione and Voldemort more depth, if it was Ron, Voldemort would (The first few years) deem him unworthy to defeat him, and advise him to: "Join the strongest of wizards"
(Continuing with Ron) He would try and persuade Ron to join him, being careless and saying: "A better choice than suffering a fate like Harry's" Ron would connect the dots, and then try to defeat Voldemort. Harry's only protection was his mother's love, Ron doesn't have that, if we add in that you can only *truly* hate the person you're casting the Killing Curse, Ron would be given some protection, as Voldemort hasn't heard of the prophecy yet and thinks of Ron as a mere stepping stone to his path of glory. As he casts the spell, it deflects, killing Mr. S-stutters an leaving Voldemort defenseless. Since this would be much to process, Ron would faint.
We could do tweaks to the story, and make it Hermione or Ron the "Boy/Girl who lived" introducing a magicial world with a dark inside. It could be an interesting read, so I'm just going to set this up as a idea for a fanfiction, I'll tell you when it's starting/finished!
@@somepersonn yeah I'm not gonna read that, sorry
@@somepersonn please make that a fanfiction 😫
@@not-so-happypappypatton On it!
I'm glad someone finally accepts how fucking great the Department of Mysteries is, and I wish they even had it shown 1/10th in the movies.
acctually "Dolohov" is a badass wizard. He invented the "purple spell" and that's amazing.
besides that, AMAZING video
Filipi Melo Audiovisual He was one of the three most powerful deatheaters
Snape
Bellatrix
Dolohov
No specific order
What does the “purple spell” do?
@@ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb Cool things
@@ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb it basically cuts the person internally but not externally so you cant see the wound
That sounds painful... Sort of like Sectumsempra inside your body?
This explains a large part of why the scp wiki is so interesting
Perfect example!
Head canon: Department of Mysteries was the wizard world's SCP.
Of course, everything in moderation. One great way to ruin a SCP entry to make everything remotely interesting . There's no mystery if you know nothing at all.
What’s scp?
lmgtfy.com/?q=scp
Was
"DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE?!" epicgaming asked calmly.
I like to think that if there was a drawback to the killing curse, like a mental fatigue, it might have allowed more creativity. Like it's an all in kind of gamble, or you need to be sure you'll land the blow or else you'll be put on the back foot, thus requiring the Death Eaters to immobilize their opponents in a more proper duel, instead of just spamming green lights at everyone and everything.
If you put too heavy limitations on the curse, wizards would just use guns instead, right? The Avada Kadavra spell should be more efficient than a gun, to explain why wizards don't carry and use guns. Right?
@@apoptosisduellinks109 lol wizards are totally oblivious to the muggle world and their workings. They could never even think about using a gun, far too complex for them lol.
Nobody:
J.K. Rowling: Avada Kadabra actually turned all the characters black
So Mother's love was... N-word pass?...
Flowified
what about the black characters
ʇɹɐǝɥ ɐɹʇɔǝןǝ they became people Thanos people
And gay
@@xlectraheart turned them gay,
It's a spell that gives oppression points
Harry Potter with guns?
CALL OF HOOTY
Yeah, that's just Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows for XBOX 360. Go ahead, look it up. Then have fun knowing that exists.
STUPEFY!
In all seriousness, though, one of my dream projects is a shooter that uses magic instead of guns. You learn magic formulas that together create custom spells, and you equip those spells onto a gauntlet. Your MP or whatever would function as both your ammo and Halo-style shield, so constantly casting spells will make you vulnerable. I don't know if there'd be any way to balance multiplayer for all the gameplay features, so I'd focus on single player and co-op as I think an interesting story could come from it.
LOL Icon, not an FPS or anything, but that reminds me of the Magicka Multiplayer game that sadly died forever ago.
Guys, fellas, gentlemen of exquisite taste, I think I can one up you all. GUNS THAT SHOOT MAGIC
thatguyonyoutube I think that's called a wand
On the other hand, the LACK of a killing curse would kind of break immersion because it just seems too unrealistic that such a significant portion of humanity NEVER felt like researching the most efficient way to kill each other.
I'm sure not everyone is gonna agree with me, but we are kiiind of an inherently violent species. All throughout human history, we've put our brightest minds towards "how can we kill others better" and usually only afterwards came up with civil uses for whatever we thought up.
You couldn't tell me that thousands of years of wizarding culture led to the pinnacle being "a curse that makes your enemy dance wildly" or "a curse that makes them giggle really hard" without me losing all suspension of disbelief.
Such a powerful spell should have harsher rules around it's usage, I fully agree on that part, but the complete non-existence of it would be weirder than not having it.
The issue isn't that It kills people, just that it is the BEST way to remove an enemy from a fight, due to not having many countermeasures, in a setting all about countermeasures.
Got a damn good point there. Of all the flaws we humans have, that's the one I'm least proud of.
Violent species? There literally is not a single non-violent species. It's an integral part of nature.
In that case, I guess I'm sad that violence affects humans worse on an emotional and psychological level than it does other animals in nature. Not saying that they can't be affected by violence either - just look at how different abused dogs behave than well-taken-care of ones - just that we have the capacity to ramify those feelings into others through rational thought.
Lord Scribe It's the price we pay for our consciousness, I guess.
Avada Kedavra is like pot of greed or Raigeki: it's too powerful without any down side or shortcoming.
Ever heard of protego Diabolica. However it is much more balanced as only Grindelwald can use it.
Raigeki isn't even that good? its worse then kaju slumber or lighning storm, nibiru, shere mode. All far better then Raigeki
Sorry, what does pot of greed do?
@@THEPELADOMASTER LMAO the meme never dies. Draw 2 cards
I feel like the death spell should have had a major consequence, such as maybe ageing you as many years as you stole from a person. That there would be a genuine excuse for Voldemort to be the only one confident enough in his immortality to use consistently
Foxtrot6624 or just incredibly taxing on your magic use an AK your out of magic points maybe 2-3 before top wizards are done. But really it’s a six syllable word just get out of the way
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of the debuff/consequence route.
There is the consequence that killing someone hurts your soul in the Harry Potter verse, but that's kind of a moot point because the people who are willing to kill don't exactly care much about their own soul.
Herman Cillo and we never see anyone get affected negatively from killing someone. And really splitting your soul is a bonus. Now you can make a horcrux.
There'd be some problems with that though for Voldemort using the killing curse a lot, because while his horcruxes prevented him from truly dying, if his physical body dies, it's incredibly difficult to regain his former strength. He spoke of how he became like some kind of spirit that had to possess people and animals just to retain the tiny bit of strength he had. He may have been immortal, but taxing his physical body like that would have been very dangerous if he was expected to lead an army and a state after the battle. Unless the second body was supposedly far more durable than the first.
What If i transfigure like 30 squirrels into a bodysuit. Avadakadavra's pretty useless if it just makes me poop out a squirrel on contact.
RedCornix Sounds like a crazy fetish lmao
Transfiguration might not work because transfigured livings things into inanimate things might not soak killing curses. Instead try a pocket dimension with rabbits or some other critters in it. Carry it around with you and have another spell that detects green light and pulls the rabbits out of the dimension to form a tessellating shield whenever a flash of green light comes near you.
Bonus points if you can make the rabbits invisible and become "the one who lives all the damn time for some reason".
Bonus bonus points if you make this work for pretty much any color of light so that you become a hex-proof wizard god with a huge hutch of sacrificial rabbit bros.
lol using cats and other pets as shields
zzxp1 Rabbits reproduce faster. Therefore they are more efficient XD
That would literally be the wizards version of modern tank ERA.. Get shot by explosive round, just eject the plate that got hit, and the vehicle behind the plate feels nothing. Get shot with a curse, just throw a small animal at it, and move on.
i dont even get why 'avada kedavra' is supposed to be so powerful. like you said - it's just a gun. wouldn't the bomb spell be able to kill more people more effectively? there seem to be a lot of spells that could cause more damage even though they don't count as 'unforgivable curses'. they just don't get used
I think it's because for other spells you can make the argument that you weren't trying to kill someone. Avada Kedavra requires you to hate someone enough to want them dead, so there's no excuse for casting it.
Clemens you cannot counter the killing curse, I'd say that's a plus
Is not a gun, guns wersnt that shity.
I agree. It's also not clear why you can counter other spells but not AK. How is making something explode counterable? If they blow up the floor, can you just intercept a spell that's been cast out not in your direction? HP is generally poor about the mechanisms in its world. But I do think it's also part of what makes the world magical. It seems like even wizards have no clue why stuff works, they just adhere to hard learned convention for fear of accidentally obliterating themselves. Maybe that's also an implicit explanation of why AK is more useful, because no one wants to take the personal risk to fling explosion spells and see what happens if someone else throws one back at the same time. Or maybe it's just a known thing that it would nuke everything, so AK is the only one that's physically safe for the user(although there's a cost on their soul).
Unforgiveable, because they have no other utility than to cause harm and is very ill intent, meant to ignore your wizard rights. Also, I believe every single one of them (or just the killing curse) can't be deflected. Other spells can be deflected and is considered fairplay, even if they're just mischief (hexes), while other destructive spells (reducto is just terrifying) has its utility, kinda like how knives aren't banned in real life, but can pretty much kill people, but can also be used to help people as well.
Sectumsempra should be banned though. Granted, Snape made the spell himself, so I don't think it's something people know about. Other than that, I believe a lot of spells have some policing on them (like teleports and port keys). Using the Unforgiveables will also get you into major trouble, even if you just randomly do it. And other spells like the Wildfire one carries a great risk to the user himself.
"AVADA GUNPOWDA", see, you don't need a wand with this kind of magic.
Avada kedavra should’ve been a very long, careful spell to use, so that it couldn’t be used during a battle
Or to make it a spell that drains you very much so if you use the spell and miss, you wont have much energy to fight back
that would have been cool, or a spell that requires the person to have drunk a specific potion
It's not like a gun. It's WORSE than a gun. Voldemort could have literally beaten Harry Potter 15 times IF HE JUST USED A GUN. Seriously! How much time did he waste just holding a wooden stick with some lightnings coming out of it, that can't even kill a BABY?!
Guns aren't legal in Great Britain..
Waluigi Laws don’t stop a criminal.
@Jacob Molyneux how does the train work then? And you could also define their clothes and trunks and cages as technology.
@Jacob Molyneux Well should Voldemort just use a normal not electrical gun then? :). I am pretty sure most guns dont need to be charged.
@Jacob Molyneux thats still "technology" i guess you meant electronics.
"Harry riding a thestral."
"Harry riding my little bony."
Kind of have a different connotation to it, does it not.
I think Avada Kedavra could work. With a couple changes.
1st, EXCLUSIVE TO VOLDEMORT. You can't use it with a full, or even mostly intact soul, so only Voldemort can use it, due to horcrux reasons.
2nd, There's a limit to how powerful it is. Trying to use it on someone like Dumbledore, and extremely powerful wizards, would do next to nothing.
Voldemort is a pretty one track minded wizard in hindsight. MYAAAAAH ADVEDA KADAVERA NYAAARRGH.
Maybe if it had some sort of drawback, like every time it was used it drained the caster's own life-span. This could even be something that Voldemort learned to overcome, making him even more terrifying (perhaps tied into his use of horcruxes or from having the curse being reflected on to himself). You are right though, she wrote herself into a corner with it. Great video, gets the noggin joggin'!
05: "Harry, we saw Uranus up close!" said Ron, still giggling feebly. "Get it, Harry?" We saw Uranus - ha ha ha -"
:D
Broken concepts in the harry potter books and how they could be fixed;
-Felix Felicis. Broken because it effectively makes the drinker unbeatable in whatever tasks their doing.
-Solution; it should have a more limited effect, or it acts like steroids (aka comes with consequences to your health)
-Avada Kedavra. Broken because it's insta kill, with no set up or any real skill required. Wormtail used it ffs
-Solution; make it a spell that damages the soul (like horcruxes) so even the most evil wizards/witches won't over use it.
-Veritaserum. A foolproof way of getting the truth out of someoone, so why is this not used in wizarding courts? big plot hole
-Solution; Someone skilled in Occlumency can resist it, so it's not foolproof
-Apparation; Broken because anyone could just disapparate whenever they get in trouble. JK rowlings "fix" (buildings with anti apparation magic) doesn't fix this
-Solution; Should be an exceptionally difficult skill to achieve (like becoming an animagus is) Thus port keys and floo network also become more important
-Accio; Why even bother having "expelliarmus" when this spell can summon literally anything?
-Solution; Only items that have nothing blocking them (or holding onto them) can be summoned. Thus Harry couldn't use it to "cheat" in the first task.
-Time turner; Rather Obvious why this concept is totally broken. It shoudn't have been introduced into the HP world at all IMO
The Time Turner was fine when first introduced. It allows you to go back in time, but it doesn't allow you change the timeline. Everything you do when you travelled back in time already's been done and accounted for.
I think you made good points.
Theres a theory that felix felices is just a big placebo, and another theory that veritaserum only makes the person say what they *think* is true.
Tbf veritaserum is already sort of fixed because this is in a universe where memories can be altered at will by any moderately skilled person (see gilderoy lockheart and obliviate) meaning nobody knows if the person who took the potion is remembering what actually happened or what they have been made to believe happened, either by themselves or by others.
You can't tell the truth if you don't know you're lying.
Ie death eater or criminal bribes guards or gets family members or friends to erase and change their memories of crimes they've commited the night before the trial. Now they don't even know they commited a crime.
Time turner isn't broken, because it lets you return to the past, but nobody ever said it can bring you back to your present. So, if you travel too far in the past, you will die of old age before being born in your present, causing s time paradox
The problem you describe isn't actually unique to Avada Kedavra, in fact. In, for example, a Dungeons & Dragons themed book, you'll see wizards hurling lightning bolts and fireballs a lot--the majority of mages, however powerful, don't seem to have strong tactical grasps of battle. Blunt force powergaming is the order of the day even those those game systems include lists and lists of spells that can all be situationally useful or tricky. And then, very occasionally, you get some truly inventive uses of magic! And it's glorious.
In Harry Potter, though, it's worth noting that the enemy wizards over-relying on fatal magic is part of their characterization. The Killing Curse, Cruciatus Curse, and Imperius Curse, being mystified as Unforgivable, as seen as the pinnacle of dark magic. In a way, the Death Eaters making such frequent use of it, never thinking to use their "lesser" magic spells, renders them just as predictable to the good guys as to the reader, and it's precisely because of this that the good guys are able to one-up them by being inventive and clever.
It isn't as if Harry and the gang don't focus in on a certain subset of spells, either, but since theirs are "weaker," they have to pick their shots better. It's a delicate balance.
That said, one more point: the "unspecified curses" bit might also have been a nod to the fact that you don't always know what the enemy is casting. The books are always written from Harry's point of view, so if he doesn't catch the incantation, or if the spell is nonverbal, then the reader simply won't know what the spell was unless its color or effect gives it away.
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Lewis, how often do you use the Com channel to post on random videos instead of your own? That's hilarious to me.
Interesting point.
Though I'd exclude Bellatrix. She's dark to her heart, I'd even say sie would be worse than Voldemort, but she always has Something up her sleeve. Cruciatus is her favorite, and she very well knows how to use Avada Kedavra, but most of the time she comes across like a predator which plays with their prey, while usually being able to end her game at any time.
Let's be honest, If it wasn't for plot armor, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Luna etc would have died in that battle, even if Bellatrix was on her own.
Hermione is smart, but sucks at defensive abilities, Ron is.. well, Ron, and Harry is good, if not great with his patronus. But other than that he escaped because of his mother's love, or the connection between his and Voldemort's wands.
I wouldn't say, that any of the three suck at magic, but they're just so focussed on a single thing.
Aren't you that guy, that acts Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Strange?
@@noneofyourbusiness4294 Also they're students going up against fully trained and specialized warrior wizards
That's some of the reasons that I enjoy RuneQuest far more than D&D. The spell system is made so you tailor your own spells and give them context for why they are the way they are. A lot of the power of the spell depends on the own power of the caster as how capable it is to bend the magic components into the spell. There are a lot of spell components that are incredibly powerful, like the ability to turn any kind of matter into another substance, like sand or water. It is explicitly told in the manual that some spells might be too powerful to both players and antagonists and they should be used with propper planning, so a lot of the real power of the spells created with the system comes from the Game Master and how he implements them depending on the setting.
"ABRA-KEDABRA"
Death eater: Goddamnit Jim! We've been over this!
Hermione: you know it's Avada Kedavra
Oh Shit
2:19 well, except that guns are muggle weapons, and death eaters are "wizard supremacionists"
Which looks to me like another way of saying "easy targets"
Imagine if avadakadavra worked based on the fear of the person who its used against, it works as a intimidating, dangerous spell but it's situational enough to where it can't be spammed and would encourage variety.
If I remember right, the killing curse requires you to really mean it. I like the implication that a lot of the Death Eaters aren't totally sure whether it would work for them so they don't risk casting it in most situations.
The only thing worse than using a potentially lethal spell and Harry getting away, is using spell where the only thing that can go wrong is your lack of conviction, and your boss finding out (as verified by magic) that you don't actually want his enemy dead.
Avada Kadavra has one single purpose in the story. To set Harry apart by surviving it. to make the fact of survival so miraculous it defines his entire journey and therefore the story. Everything else is just tagged on stuff
Why didn’t JK just make the use of Avada Kadavra taxing in some way? Or have some sort of significant magical or physical penalty in order to make its use more significant?
Like using the spell puts significant stress on your wand and may cause it damage. Or it causes a temporary weakness to a specific element or other spell. Idk. Seems fixable.
Dumbledore in the books exemplifies the essence of what a true wizard is. His fight with a Voldemort is really how a true wizard would fight using different spells and tactics bringing magical items and creatures into it.
Here's what I think could've made Avada Kedavra interesting: Every time you use it, someone dies. No matter what. If you miss your target, or they're protected by someone's love, or what have you, someone dies. It's a death curse and it doesn't matter if it hits it's intended target or not, the curse is out and it will take a life.
That would mean there would be SERIOUS risk involved with using it. If the attack gets blocked or you kiss your target or they're protected by their mother's love, someone still dies.
Could be your target, could be the person standing next to them, could be someone from across the room, could be Little Jim the part time janitor just coming from from a hard day's work to his 13 kids and he drops dead in the living room in front of his family.
You cast it, someone dies. Which would make sense for the good guys to be apprehensive about using it.
And would allow you to write scenarios where a bad guy wouldn't cast it. Like in the middle of a battle for example because there would be too much risk that someone you didn't intend to kill dies.
Brilliant.
That really only works if the bad guys are caring, or smart enough, to not want to risk an unknown death( which most of them don't seem to be).
Kye Dysarthria I mean Voldemort is a lot of things but a blood thirsty psycho who killed everything he saw wasn't one of them.
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And honestly, shooting someone with a gun also has the same risk of killing something you didn't want to.
The idea sounds cool, but collateral damage isn't that much a show stopper.
Nameless Liberty as stealthy as bright green flashes and a sharp whizzing sound go.
I have a similar problem with expeliarmus in the movies because it's like the only spell they use
It's always pew pew red laser
And the bad guys are all pew pew green laser
These are magical wands capable of bending reality stop treating them like laser guns
Color-coded for your convenience
But at least no Dark Wizard has had a spell that produces time-traveling groundhog day bombs that place themselves in the eye of your victim to blow up people who question the identity of the person who placed said bombs in said eye...
...yeah, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure has ridiculously contrived magic systems. x.x;
Contrived? Dude, time travel dynamite with a trigger based upon the user’s identity of being a serial killer is not contrived, it’s awesome. Check yo diction.
BITE ZA DUSTO!
JKR can't hold a candle to magic systems from Jojo or HxH. Especially Nen is so creative and in-depth, that it makes HP magic seem childish at best.
@@weaseltunnelerinokripperin8888 Kripperinons are everywhere. Also, while I like nen, stands are just so amazingly unique and incomparable to anything else. It is a whole other level of creativity and complexity, and the amount of shit Araki comes up with is just some of the coolest and most interesting ideas ever.
@@mattsmith457 I only dabbled/read a little into Jojo, but I was planning on reading it completely the during the next few days. On first glance, stands are a really amazing system.