Either he didn't kill anybody at all and the bodies were never there at all, or she found the bodies and had them all disposed of to keep the property value high, horrifying either way. Tons of people who will never know what happened to their loved ones
I think the whole "there was no ad in the times" bit implies the killings happened and she knew Bateman did it. But she is just as cold as he is and didn't care as long as she could sell the place.
@@farjadsimi2467 I have no idea who she is. I'm just speculating because she seems to be privy to a few things and doesn't feel threatened or intimidated by Patrick. Another commenter suggested she works for Patrick's lawyer and she cleaned the apartment up or knew what had taken place there but if either are true that would suggest she's done this before so she might be on the same level of dangerous as Patrick is. The fact that she tells him to leave and doesn't want trouble there and says it so calmly is a little disturbing. Or he's just crazy and some of this is just playing out in his head. Who knows? But it's one of my all-time favorite movies and Christian Bale did an excellent job in this role.
When a killer meets a killer the one who is more experienced knows first and quickly knows how to keep the less experienced killer from also knowing so the more experienced killer has the advantage while also playing a few mind games with the less experienced killer at the same time
It's because she is also crazy asf. She cleaned up everything and got rid of the bodies so that the apartment value wouldn't go down and so she could sell it
@@boomynote yes there's other moments in the movie where it feels like the other person finds him out and he's paranoid like the scene where he's admitting everything to the lawyer over the phone, in the final meeting with detective kimball, or when he's running from the cops but this is the one scene where the other character sees right through him
The creepiest thing about the scene is what remains unspoken, but is implied: that 1) she knows what he did, and 2) she nevertheless isn't afraid of him, because she's just as black-hearted as he is, if not more so.
@@andynowicki4532 the point of this scene and the ending is to make you question whether Bateman killed any of those people in the first place, or if it was all his schizophrenic delusions/fantasies.
Pay close attention and you'll notice that neither of them blink the entire time. This is a meeting of two monsters who, deep down, know the other is just like them.
If you encounter a wolf or pack of wolves at close range do not run or turn away. If you are approached, act aggressively and maintain eye contact if the wolf is looking at you. She knew better than to turn her back while a predator was in her area.
She reacts that way because she knows about the bodies and had them removed in order to keep the selling price high. When she sees Bateman's face she realizes that he's either the killer, or at least knows about the bodies. She asks him to leave and never come back because she wants to sell high. This scene could be looked at as proof that the murders did happen and that it was not all in his head.
Yes and no, as she may also think he’s a crazy person rumbling nonsense and looking panicked. As she tests the source of the apartment being available, she confirms if he came intentionally there of if he may just be a psychotic person who randomly went there and in his illusion thinks the apartment was owned by someone that never did own it. Or what you say
@@tea-chip-cookies Good point. It is only my theory, therefore it may not have happened, but judging from her reaction, and because it coincides with the "greedy 80s" theme of the movie, I think Mary Harron is definitely implying it.
@@tea-chip-cookiesIn the movie, it’s said that Patrick’s father owns the company so his father probably knows what his son does so he covers up the crimes so there isn’t a scandal. The realtor probably told Patrick’s father about the murders so he helped her cover it up
@@johntravers2321 bruh u on the pills. Bateman was going insane and losing his grip way before this. This scene and scene with his lawyer actually made him calm down. If he didn't have hallucinations this would be clear as a sky. A woman getting rid of the bodies probably with help of her team for money gain and they were quick af which shows it's not the first nor last time they are doing this which shows true colors of society in the movie, money talks. Also she is psychopath too like he is.
@@johntravers2321 you literally said "completely made him go insane with little effort" even tho he was having manic episodes way before her and their only interaction left him confused because he didn't know if he really killed those people but ofc she will pretend she knows nothing because she is accomplice otherwise she would be incriminating herself with subtle signs of she probably cleaned up for us viewers to know, also "she is bigger fish" meaning what? She needs to clean other's people junk so she can earn money, that's not big at all. It is just scene about cold reaction from another psychopath to other psychopath's doing. Good job on wasting your time writing dumbass comment tho
@@InteN66 The basis of psychopathy is power over others. This includes over other psychopaths. She doesn’t “need” to earn money, she “enjoys the process” as she earns the money. When you make someone confused about their whole sanity, they can start to lose their sanity and thus, “go insane.” If she’s cleaning up his mess and then covering it up impeccably while making him doubt he even made one in the first place, then she is screwing with his head and having a deep, sinister form of satisfaction from it. The reference “she’s the bigger fish” does not require a detailed explanation. Children read books about this statement all the time. But, for your sake, and since you need the assistance, it means there is always a bigger fish in the ocean. One fish gets eaten (such as Bateman’s victims) by a big one, and then that big fish gets eaten by a bigger fish, and then that bigger fish gets eaten by an even bigger fish, and so on. She, like him, was a big fish, but she was the bigger one and won the “power.” She has complete dominance by not only achieving her goal of earning money, but by the “process” she went through here to get it. I suggest you cut the crap of internet low-resolution degradations. This is what only a child with no mission or purpose in life does.
In the book, he mentions that the entire apartment was filled with bouquets of flowers, giving it a very strong floral smell. Definitely put them all there to cover up the smell of decaying bodies that was there previously. 😬
Just the same as the men at the end of Dostoevsky's "The Idiot" and he also goes back to the scene of his crime asking about the victims like Raskolnikov in "Crime and Punishment".
I think this was a psycho to psycho acknowledgement. Her having no ethics to refurbish the murder den (aka she is the final killer for burying the whole thing) for personal wealth gain. She reads him like a book and plays him like a toddler. This scene is terrifying for poytraying the spectrum of insanity involved in this wealth circle. There were a lot of other scenes in the film that did this or set up situations in which other psychopaths would cover things up or interact in strange ways.
Plus the fact that she never appeared to be scared, voice stayed calm and steady but stern in delivery, and the trick question about the "ad in the times" was a great move
Just think of why WW1 happened... Kill a bunch of normies, sell a lot of bullets and bombs. "Goodbye to all that" by Graves goes into his conviction that the powers that be dragged it out much longer than needed
Because he was totally losing his mind and grip on everything that far in a movie. She wasn't playing him bruh it's literally saying " I cleaned up your mess because of my personal gain, gtfo now from this apartment" . She is psychopath too definitely, I agree with that.
@@Slofoe your explanation makes way more sense and i’ve always thought the same, even if his employer cleaned it up for him it would make sense. Op’s theory is pretentiously over complicated.
notice how, throughout the conversation scene, Patrick's head takes up a lot of screen space and is higher up, then it becomes smaller and goes lower. While on the other hand the lady's head takes up more and more of the screen, and goes higher and higher to emphasizes their changing dynamic, amazing cinematography!!
@@footballteamedits6155 yea but he stored bodies in that closet, im not 100% sure if paul’s was in there tho cause im pretty sure bateman said something about him dissolving paul’s body in acid or something like that, but he killed a few people throughout the movie (assuming it wasn’t all in his head) and put their bodies in that closet
If you look closely there is a can with white paint and some painting utensils in that closet. This makes me think that he did kill the people and she just got rid of them to keep the value of the apartment
You do realize that for her to get rid of the bodies and everything will make her equally as involved in the murders as Bateman, right? Noone in their right mind would risk atleast a decade behind bars or more likely much worse just to keep the apartment's value from depreciating. The plot twist in the film is that Bateman was in fact true to the films title, a highly delusional schizo.
This also made me think it was all real, it also makses sense with the story altogether, how everyone turns a blind eye just to continue with their lives
When she says don’t come back and he says “I won’t” you kinda realize in Patrick’s mind that he isn’t the apex predator, he may have lowkey assumed he was special because of how his mind worked, I think im this moment he became aware of people who potentially are as dangerous or more dangerous than him, he almost thought so little of people he didn’t think any could be like him. The horror of another Bateman walking around is even frightening to him
@@harshitanand8059 she's a realtor showing the upscale condo of a guy THIS guy just killed with an axe a day or two prior to this scene. It's weird to him because no one KNOWS (or at least isn't SUPPOSED to know) that the owner is dead, and therefore couldn't be selling his place. Great movie, although it's never really clear exactly what events actually take place outside of this man's (Patrick Bateman played by Christian Bale) own mind. Brilliant use of allusion.
If you look closely when Patrick looks at the woman you can see painting supplies in the back and how her tone changes when she says there was no ad in the times.
If the connection was intentional (which is arguably up to debate, the character existed in the book which was before the movie but i don’t know if her name was wolfe in the book) that’s literal proof right there that the killings did happen, she knew it was him, and she disposed of the body. No more debate. It’s weird how so many other commenters are thinking “no the whole movie and even this discussion is all in his head” lmfao.
Yea and people still think its fake i mean if its all fake nothing matters but thats maybe the case with matrix or Inception but this movie wants to show that the world is controlled and driven by money like nobody gives a shit when he/she gets enough money or people do everything even hide and lie about a death in order to keep their places in society and their money and people think it is just a bad dream and happy ending bruh negative iq
@@bolson42 lol it’s not weird if that was the intention. They wanted us to wonder if it was all real or not. And it’s still absurd in both circumstances but yeah all evidence points he’s at least killed the prostitutes because at the end Jean found his book with drawings of killings. But even then that’s technically the only proof. Cuz it’s right there. Mrs Wolf presence only makes us question things further. Only when she says “there was no times in the ads” is when it makes us think oh shit it did happen… but did it?
Definitely the creepiest scene in the movie. Doesn't take any gore or blood or violence or anything. Just a super creepy and eerie apartment made even more eerie by the fact that both people seem to know it shouldt look that way. And the way she says he should leave. It's all super eerie.
@@fellipedasilva99 i mean, realistically, Patrick wouldn't be able to harm her since she was also entertaining customers prior to Patrick appearing. Too many witnesses for him to start killing. She was also able to sus out that Patrick must have something to do with Paul Allen's body there but she can't say anything or else she would lose the deal with the place. Her never breaking eye contact and never showing her back to Patrick is her way of saying "I know you have something to do with that corpse. Leave now and I'll forget this happened."
Pretty much every other character he knows personally has a horrific personality trait on par with his own, we just don't get to see it from their perception.
Pretty much every other character he knows personally has a horrific personality trait on par with his own, we just don't get to see it from their perception.
Her saying there was no ad in the times was her way of saying I know what you did here and you should go so I can sell this place and continue to cover up what you did.
Early last year, I spent several weeks in a relatively small, boutique hotel with one of the writers, as well as one of the Directors of this film. They were staying there with the cast of some upcoming Bella Thorne film. Many late night drinks on the smoking patio later, I started popping the questions… Just as I had read, this production was a shit show, with multiple writers, three directors, and almost never saw the light of day. And just as I suspected, it’s not supposed to make any sense. When I asked the writer what the end meant, she responded, “ Who the fuck knows? Every important scene was shot three or four different ways, from three or four different points of view. We were just lucky to stitch something together that was entertaining.” 😂
She was showing the apartment...she pretended to have an add advertising the apartment. Their was no add ..so she knew he never saw the add and wasn't their to view the apartment
Check out the background sounds for Sinister. You'll thank me later. I can't even THINK of how frightening those are. That's how impactful Sinister 1's track noises were. Undoubtedly and incredibly disturbing to a satanic level. 😅
This is what really happened ….. His lawyer had the place cleaned and put up for rent . Patrick called his lawyer the night before and told him about all the murders. Where and when they happened, while leaving him a message saying that he “did it again” and “might not be getting away with it this time” Patrick left no living witnesses . The lady knows exactly who he is by looking at his mask that he was going to use to clean up the apartment . She works with Patrick’s lawyer . The realtor quizzes him to make sure he is lying about his interest in the unit . She tells him she doesn’t want trouble and asks him to leave and not return . Excellent advice to not return to the crime scene . If you don’t believe me , watch the end of the movie . When Patrick talks to his lawyer, he says that he had lunch with Paul Allen in London last week. Testifying as a witness. Confirming Batemans alibi to the Police/Detective , of Paul Allen being in Europe on vacation. Making Paul Allen a missing person and not murdered by Patrick. Thus, exonerating Patrick of any crimes committed. Brilliant lawyer , Bravo 🇺🇸
In the novel the place has flowers everywhere while the lady is showing the apartment, flowers meant to cover the stench of the death that occurred there. The lady covered it up so the value of the place wouldn't go down. The world Bateman lives in is a very sick place, much creepier then himself.
Not really, towards the end, he starts unravelling and all his emotions spill over at once. Between hysterical laughing on the phone to him literally sobbing to fits of rage. He also loses his shit in the laundry store.
@@urcookin I'd consider that him breaking. He knows he's messed up in the head and that was his point of lucidity. He's realised that he can't stop, even going as far as to consider killing someone who is genuinely nice to him, even if he doesn't reciprocate the feeling.
I don't consider it fear...more confusion. He isn't in control here for one. Two, he knows someone HAS to know what he has done, yet he is walking around free and clear...confusion.
BATEMAN later went mad and locked himself in his apartment after realizing he was never going to face reality or prison.overwhelmed with guilt, He went home and fell into a depression and wrote a comic of what the opposite of himself would be. You guessed it…… a vigilante that does the opposite of killing and and makes murder his one rule not to break. whos very parents were murdered and whos greatest foe is someone just like him ….the joker.…Bateman dropped the "e" and became Batman. He later explains and confesses to his crimes writing them under the jokers character. He changed the gender of the real estate agent and made her a butler and named her Alfred. The only one to know his true identity Since she was the only one to come face to face with him, know who he was, and not fear him. BOOM 🤯
This scene goes to show there’s always a bigger fish in the sea. As brief as their interaction is, you can tell she’s in a completely different league than Bateman
She said she wants no trouble tho. I think it’s just a play on “the old wise experienced women that knows evil when she sees it, and knows how to maneuver around it.”
@@fellipedasilva99 that doesnt mean anything, "bigger fish" not always means more stronger or dangerous, sometimes it's just experience, knowing how to deal with high and lows, ofc she was careful thats why she kept some distance and focused on looking at him, (precaution for a possible reaction of.Bateman) but when she moves to make space for him leaving the house she was already in control of the exchange thats why at that moment she commands him to leave unlike you said at the start "don't want trouble"
I think it more is who sociopaths at different levels of development. Patrick is having his first real break since he gave into his impulses, but this woman is someone with far more experience. Someone who maybe had something similar happen and learned from it and how to completely hide the lack of humanity she has.
The whole idea that in a movie about a serial killer, he runs into a person more evil than him who not only figures what he did and who he is, but *lets him go* (because it would be hypocritical not to), is absolutely brilliant EDIT: I'm NOT stating this as an accurate description of this scene; I'm mostly enamored with that idea, though, after watching this scene. Sorry for the confusion.
I always thought the movie was an allegory for the ruthlessness of cut throat business at the highest levels. Lives are destroyed. Crimes are covered up. Everyone who is still in the game has an interest for things to go smoothly and the wealthiest get a different brand of justice where they never get caught but Bateman in the end is a kind of Raskolnikov because his paranoia and disillusionment with the fact that he's not the most evil one around end up being his eternal punishment.
@@anakkecil-bq9vuever seen a portrait of an eyeball on a wall somewhere? Or seena predator with they're fixated on their prey? That's why unblinking eyes are terrifying
The entire movie was filmed to make it ambiguous as to whether or not he actually did it It's only your interpretation that populates what you believe to have happened, but there is no set answer
It’s like in Pinocchio when the Fox goes to toast the Coachman, only to realize the man is a stone-cold trafficker, made of an evil that completely diminishes the Fox’s “badness”.
She said she wants no trouble tho. I think it’s a play on “the old wise experienced women that knows evil when she sees it, and knows how to maneuver around it.”
BINGO. Corporate cover-ups, political cover-ups, religious cover-ups... Cold hard business as usual, and they don't care who was hurt, as long as they succeed. They're all personified within this realtor lady. It's all become so normalized that people don't even recognize it as evil anymore.
This scene showcases it brilliantly that both Bateman and sales woman are deep down monsters. Bateman is shocked and dumbfounded that his crime scene has vanished, while saleswoman can see through him and as she walks into the shadows her entire face gets covered in darkness. As to symbolise that she too is a monster and perhaps even more evil than him as she has cleaned up the place to keep the property value high as if nothing has ever happened there.
I love how even the paint cans in the closet aren't a clear indicator whether he did it or not, because it would be completely normal for an apartment to be painted before a showing. Such a great movie!
No. She is a psycho as well. She sees right through him. He knows it, but is taken aback, probably because she is a frail old lady. It’s very clear she painted and cleaned up after him in order to make money selling the apartment
Really creepy scene that shows they are bigger monsters out there and what Patrick did was kid’s play. Also money is god. Dispose bodies and evidence to ensure high value. Worst was done and she watches Patrick as a issue than a threat
@@snight01 because he was a stranger and was acting weird. You never bluff to see if someone is telling the truth. Like " how's your brother" knowing the person you are talking to doesn't have one
@@alucard2010 and that’s how they interpreted it so why did you even bother with this comment. Anyone who’s seen it knows it’s ambiguous so they make fun head canon?
I remember reading a theory somewhere that stated that his father is the one that had all this taken care of, considering his father is the owner of the company he works for.
@@horrorclipsproductions BATEMAN later went mad and locked himself in his apartment after realizing he was never going to face reality or prison.overwhelmed with guilt, He went home and fell into a depression and wrote a comic of what the opposite of himself would be. You guessed it…… a vigilante that does the opposite of killing and and makes murder his one rule not to break. whos very parents were murdered and whos greatest foe is someone just like him ….the joker.…Bateman dropped the "e" and became Batman. He later explains and confesses to his crimes writing them under the jokers character. He changed the gender of the real estate agent and made her a butler and named her Alfred. The only one to know his true identity Since she was the only one to come face to face with him, know who he was, and not fear him. BOOM 🤯
IT’S ALL IN HIS HEAD lmao he did not get into a goddamn shootout with the police, you might as well say hey there was a police helicopter outside with a spotlight, they wouldn’t have been looking for him if it didn’t happen 🤪
@@sqlevoliciousThat is what is happening. Every single shot you see in a film is meticulously crafted, especially lighting. A character doesn't step into the shadows and get obscured for no reason.
@@heinrichharkonen2084 BATEMAN later went mad and locked himself in his apartment after realizing he was never going to face reality or prison.overwhelmed with guilt, He went home and fell into a depression and wrote a comic of what the opposite of himself would be. You guessed it…… a vigilante that does the opposite of killing and and makes murder his one rule not to break. whos very parents were murdered and whos greatest foe is someone just like him ….the joker.…Bateman dropped the "e" and became Batman. He later explains and confesses to his crimes writing them under the jokers character. He changed the gender of the real estate agent and made her a butler and named her Alfred. The only one to know his true identity Since she was the only one to come face to face with him, know who he was, and not fear him. BOOM 🤯
I like how she walks to the dark and gives him that cold stare. That was probably done on purpose to show her true colors. Not all phycos kill. They can see thru each other. Shes not gonna allow him to mess up her sale.
When a killer meets a killer the one who is more experienced knows first and quickly knows how to keep the less experienced killer from also knowing so the more experienced killer has the advantage while also playing a few mind games with the less experienced killer at the same time
I mean Paul Allen had an expensive apartment. Probably worth millions. If it was a murder house that tanks the value of all the apartments in the building. People kill for less.
@@zinuru2707 literally any landlord not just the ones from NYC. Have you seen Florida? The only thing these old fucks do for a living is sell shelter and up the rent on the less fortunate
Realized her suit is also a white shade and a dark shade - like Two-Face in Batman. Symbolises the concept of duality, and the conflict between the presentable good side of her and the evil that lurks within.
I wish they had gotten the part where he says “I won’t” and walks out. Ngl that’s my favorite part, two strangers who will never see or speak to each other again but they both will remember it for the rest of their lives
True that. I worked for a realtor, and although he wasn't outright malicious, he was very cold hearted at times. People thought he was the nicest guy, too. He would joke and smile but it was mostly an act, all he cared about was the commission.
@@carmengogeidnas9670 huh? 😂I just want people to help be able to live in their own dream home brother that’s what’s it’s really about. I’m going to change the game man you’ll see it
Notice how they emphasize her shadow and not only that she steps out from the shadows and then returns to them .. her jacket is also split in half to represent the dualistic nature of the American Psycho which occurs throughout the entirety of the film . There’s also painting supplies in the background suggesting that the murders did actually occur and she cleaned up the scene of the crime .. I strongly believe she is also an American Psychopath much older and more sinister than even Patrick Bateman.
The word sinister is used perfectly here. Her stepping back into the shadow with that cold unwavering stare at Patrick is utterly terrifying. Even when he walks past her, that stare is still trained on him.
I applauded your analysis, amazing! Film is so intricate with scenes planned out to symbolize, highlight, insinuate, exaggerate, portray an emotion, it’s too clever! Sometimes I’m too immersed in a plot to notice.
Absolutely. The scene is implying that there is a superior position, a group of people, that is profiting from his psychopathic behavior, and choosing silence and money over any justice. Just as in everydays life
@@olbabybeardpeople like you are the reason we should remove warning labels…. 🤦🏻♂️ Trump 2024 and throw the CORRUPT BIDENS AND OBAMAS AND CLINTONS TRAITORS IN JAIL! 🇺🇸
He killed them and Patrick’s rich ass dad who owns P&P covered it up to protect him. He got a bunch of lawyers and other people to help him cover it up. That’s why Patrick is so confused when nobody seems to know what happened and he’s left to fill in the blanks with his paranoid and psychotic head.
"I suggest you go."...controlling him with an unblinking stare, like an animal trainer...or a twisted, dominating dark mother. "And don't come back." (we wouldn't want you to get into further trouble, or to unravel too much of the truth. You are the bad little boy, aren't you.)...with props to Ottoman for a similar analysis, meta within meta.
I fail to understand what's creepy so I came here to have people explain it. Maybe I'm just around too many sociopaths and have become accustomed to their shit
@@josh2711 I haven't encountered live murder and don't wish to but I've seen selfish, cold psychopathic people who don't care about anyone but themselves and they wouldn't hesitate to do something like in the movie in a heartbeat so it's less shocking to me I know how pathetic the human race is
@@amartyapandit homie that’s mental illness. It’s not their character. At one point everyone was an innocent child. Including those people you’re talking about. It’s just that their brain is wired differently and we have no real resources for those people to get the help they need. Because were reactionary. We don’t stop issues before they happen. Hell we have the NSA but for the past decade we just allowed folks to plan massacres online, then carry them out in real life. Only for them to be stopped after they commit the crime. Be mad at the human race for failing these people. Not for them being born different
The very first time I seen this movie. By the end I got a feeling that everybody knew about Patrick, they were just all rich and denied it. I can't explain it but i got the most sinister feeling like they were all rich and capable of doing just as much as Patrick did. I found it a little too convenient that things always happened to go his way, as if he has no clue someone or maybe multiple people are watching him and protecting him and letting him roam free in New York. He said it himself he did everything in his power to get caught and gave a full confession and it was just pawned off as a joke and bye bye went the most important piece of the case that would've put him away for good. I can kind of understand where people come from when they say this stuff might've never happened. I kind of wish that were the exact case but something tells me that Patrick's secrets..........weren't so secret to begin with.
when he asks paul alen how he got a reservation at dorsia, paul says "jokingly" that he would have to kill him if he knew. i think he wasnt joking all of these upperclass yupis have dirt on them after all the book is a take on 80's yupi culture and consumerism. just like now in real life, look at epstein scandal, warnstein, dubai porta potty etc. these rich fcks are all a bunch of inhuman scum. Also i dont think they knew but more that they didnt care
Shes just an older different version. She knew it was him when she looked down at the dust mask, because she needed one herself. Then confirmed it and she dropped character.
His lawyer had the place cleaned and put up for rent after Patrick called him the night before and said he did again , confessed all his crimes, where and when . Watch the end of the movie to understand that his lawyer covered everything up and said he had dinner with Paul Allen in London last week. Confirming his alibi to the police when Patrick left the voice mail on Paul’s Machine in his apartment and told everyone he was on vacation in Europe .
@@eduardopazhurtado3882 She stares him down fearlessly and starts commanding him. That's not a regular people response to being eye to eye with someone you know is a serial killer.
I love way she never takes her eyes off him as she steps into the shadows. The creepy part is shows absolutely zero fear of him. She isn’t afraid of him, and that alone makes me wonder what she really is.
The lawyer he called the night before had it cleaned up (she's the help), then denied it when Patrick confronts him at the end of the movie, because that's a damn good lawyer.
and I bet THAT is the psychotic nature, where HE thought what he did was monstrous and powerful, only to be practice for a profession that is always in high demand. Like imagine being a REALLY good bank thief, only to find out you been robbing banks your father buy's out.
ONLY its murder. That's how I took it, where they let him run rampant, never realizing till that moment that these people taken advantage to almost practice how to keep someone LIKE him safe.
Acting on self-preservation and self-protection to protect your business and colleagues does not automatically make you a psycho. This woman is just another evil predator that you typically encounter in every day society.
What's brilliant about this scene is how strong she was....she saw right through him, and he knew that and he knew his only way out was to leave right then and there. His best bet was to quit while he's ahead and not make any trouble for himself.....like the lady suggested
I've always liked to believe that there's some indescribable higher power at play during this film. This scene specifically gives me that strongest impression, I love not knowing anything about her but her dissonance and intelligence has always made me think she's part of something more
I always saw her as being another monster like Patrick. She cleaned the bodies and the apartment for momentary gain. If anyone knew people died there, the price of rent would go down
@@OsirusHandle I really don't like that idea because then parts of the film mean nothing, you can tell by the way this woman acts there's more to it than "it was just in his head." You're welcome to think that but there's no more proof for that theory than any other theory so its best if you dont talk so matter of fact. It's also far more fun to think about all of the possibilities and explanations that aren't just schizophrenia, because who ever said this has to take place in our world? At the very least I like to believe the confession is real because it's such a joy to watch these mysterious people at the end, I want to know more about them and I love that I just never will
This scene suggests so much. It's such a powerful scene. Everything it represents. Especially in these times with creepy secrets just slipping through code.
I think he was schizophrenic the whole time which would explain why nobody reacts when he says morbid things or how he admits completely to the murder of Paul Allen and then confronts who he admitted to and is told that its impossible for Paul to be dead and then this scene or how nobody reacts to a guy running down a hall naked with a blaring chainsaw
The Creator of the film said, this wasn’t a dream or a schizophrenic episode. Rather the real estate was too valuable, and a murder would cause a decline in price. So everyone just ignored what he did. A nod to our society today… greedy and non-existent touch with reality
@VRCMF well, I'd have to see that interview to believe it. But I wouldn't write it off. It's also a good concept. But I think ppl like the unhinged maniac in your own mind theory.
No he killed everyone except Paul Allen. Or he did kill Paul Allen and the lawyer thought he had dinner with him because people mistake each other for someone else alot. Otherwise why would she lie about the ad being in the times. She knew he is the killer of all those girls.
Either he didn't kill anybody at all and the bodies were never there at all, or she found the bodies and had them all disposed of to keep the property value high, horrifying either way. Tons of people who will never know what happened to their loved ones
Yeah well made movie that it left that question open, but the book was more direct about the stuff really happening and no one just caring about it.
I think the whole "there was no ad in the times" bit implies the killings happened and she knew Bateman did it. But she is just as cold as he is and didn't care as long as she could sell the place.
She's in a much bigger League than Patrick
Just look at her gaze when she creeped into the shadow. She didn't look away!
Are we sure it’s the same apartment on the same floor I know it says 2b or 3b or something I think it might chance.
A killer in the wild can always sense another killer.
can you explain who the woman is? is she also a killer?
@@farjadsimi2467 I have no idea who she is. I'm just speculating because she seems to be privy to a few things and doesn't feel threatened or intimidated by Patrick. Another commenter suggested she works for Patrick's lawyer and she cleaned the apartment up or knew what had taken place there but if either are true that would suggest she's done this before so she might be on the same level of dangerous as Patrick is. The fact that she tells him to leave and doesn't want trouble there and says it so calmly is a little disturbing. Or he's just crazy and some of this is just playing out in his head. Who knows? But it's one of my all-time favorite movies and Christian Bale did an excellent job in this role.
@@farjadsimi2467 she’s the real estate agent for the unit. This scene tells the audience that he’s just psycho in the head.
When a killer meets a killer the one who is more experienced knows first and quickly knows how to keep the less experienced killer from also knowing so the more experienced killer has the advantage while also playing a few mind games with the less experienced killer at the same time
The way she was talking she must have had a loaded gun on her.
she’s the only person in the whole film who sees right through him. terrifying
I think shes like a angel
It's because she is also crazy asf. She cleaned up everything and got rid of the bodies so that the apartment value wouldn't go down and so she could sell it
Because she more insane than him
@@RedVenomProductions She disposed of bodies and lied about it for monetary gain.
Because she's also like him.
This is the only scene you see Patrick as truly vulnerable in the entire movie
I’d argue the lawyer scene too
@@boomynote yes there's other moments in the movie where it feels like the other person finds him out and he's paranoid like the scene where he's admitting everything to the lawyer over the phone, in the final meeting with detective kimball, or when he's running from the cops but this is the one scene where the other character sees right through him
Also where the gay chap comes on to him in the bogs
And how about the elevator scene
But even when killing he's acting vulnerable
The creepiest thing about the scene is what remains unspoken, but is implied: that 1) she knows what he did, and 2) she nevertheless isn't afraid of him, because she's just as black-hearted as he is, if not more so.
Man... That's even more wicked...
I highly doubted about that
Or he never murdered anyone
@@sdsdfdu4437 the only way the scene makes sense is if she knows that Bateman is responsible for the corpse that was found in the apartment
@@andynowicki4532 the point of this scene and the ending is to make you question whether Bateman killed any of those people in the first place, or if it was all his schizophrenic delusions/fantasies.
Pay close attention and you'll notice that neither of them blink the entire time. This is a meeting of two monsters who, deep down, know the other is just like them.
I recently commented the same thing you wrote here. It's insanely terrifying.
@@sirkiwio1361 no, just coincidence
She blinks when steps into shadow
Even Bateman isn't as cold as she is. I think she creeped him out. He is, at least, an emotional psycho.
I didnt blink either, so I am just like them...
The way she stepped back into the shadows while staring at Patrick was just terrifying to me.
I was waiting for her to grin.
Which would make it even creepier
There's always a bigger fish
Haha I was gonna say that, her composure is so disturbing
If you encounter a wolf or pack of wolves at close range do not run or turn away. If you are approached, act aggressively and maintain eye contact if the wolf is looking at you. She knew better than to turn her back while a predator was in her area.
Could be indicating that she is hiding her own dark secrets.
She reacts that way because she knows about the bodies and had them removed in order to keep the selling price high. When she sees Bateman's face she realizes that he's either the killer, or at least knows about the bodies. She asks him to leave and never come back because she wants to sell high. This scene could be looked at as proof that the murders did happen and that it was not all in his head.
Yes and no, as she may also think he’s a crazy person rumbling nonsense and looking panicked. As she tests the source of the apartment being available, she confirms if he came intentionally there of if he may just be a psychotic person who randomly went there and in his illusion thinks the apartment was owned by someone that never did own it. Or what you say
I wonder who she got to remove the bodies and clean up the blood. They'd have to keep quiet too
@@tea-chip-cookies Good point. It is only my theory, therefore it may not have happened, but judging from her reaction, and because it coincides with the "greedy 80s" theme of the movie, I think Mary Harron is definitely implying it.
Some of them were real and some weren't for example the police squad and explosion wasn't real
@@tea-chip-cookiesIn the movie, it’s said that Patrick’s father owns the company so his father probably knows what his son does so he covers up the crimes so there isn’t a scandal. The realtor probably told Patrick’s father about the murders so he helped her cover it up
i love how she never turns her back to him, almost unatural how she moves, she knows what he did.
She knows more than that. She’s a bigger fish. Completely made him go insane with little effort. Her stepping into the shadows has significance.
@@johntravers2321 bruh u on the pills. Bateman was going insane and losing his grip way before this. This scene and scene with his lawyer actually made him calm down. If he didn't have hallucinations this would be clear as a sky. A woman getting rid of the bodies probably with help of her team for money gain and they were quick af which shows it's not the first nor last time they are doing this which shows true colors of society in the movie, money talks. Also she is psychopath too like he is.
@@InteN66 Hence, “she’s the bigger fish”…. You just said everything I said but with more words. Good job wasting your time.
@@johntravers2321 you literally said "completely made him go insane with little effort" even tho he was having manic episodes way before her and their only interaction left him confused because he didn't know if he really killed those people but ofc she will pretend she knows nothing because she is accomplice otherwise she would be incriminating herself with subtle signs of she probably cleaned up for us viewers to know, also "she is bigger fish" meaning what? She needs to clean other's people junk so she can earn money, that's not big at all. It is just scene about cold reaction from another psychopath to other psychopath's doing. Good job on wasting your time writing dumbass comment tho
@@InteN66 The basis of psychopathy is power over others. This includes over other psychopaths. She doesn’t “need” to earn money, she “enjoys the process” as she earns the money. When you make someone confused about their whole sanity, they can start to lose their sanity and thus, “go insane.” If she’s cleaning up his mess and then covering it up impeccably while making him doubt he even made one in the first place, then she is screwing with his head and having a deep, sinister form of satisfaction from it.
The reference “she’s the bigger fish” does not require a detailed explanation. Children read books about this statement all the time. But, for your sake, and since you need the assistance, it means there is always a bigger fish in the ocean. One fish gets eaten (such as Bateman’s victims) by a big one, and then that big fish gets eaten by a bigger fish, and then that bigger fish gets eaten by an even bigger fish, and so on. She, like him, was a big fish, but she was the bigger one and won the “power.” She has complete dominance by not only achieving her goal of earning money, but by the “process” she went through here to get it.
I suggest you cut the crap of internet low-resolution degradations. This is what only a child with no mission or purpose in life does.
In the book, he mentions that the entire apartment was filled with bouquets of flowers, giving it a very strong floral smell. Definitely put them all there to cover up the smell of decaying bodies that was there previously. 😬
Whatever author thinks flowers can mask decaying flesh is an idiot to say the least.
That's pretty macabre
Yeah, in the book Patrick basically turns the apartment into his bdsm dungeon
Just the same as the men at the end of Dostoevsky's "The Idiot" and he also goes back to the scene of his crime asking about the victims like Raskolnikov in "Crime and Punishment".
TWU and Rev those engines! LET'S GO!
I think this was a psycho to psycho acknowledgement. Her having no ethics to refurbish the murder den (aka she is the final killer for burying the whole thing) for personal wealth gain. She reads him like a book and plays him like a toddler. This scene is terrifying for poytraying the spectrum of insanity involved in this wealth circle. There were a lot of other scenes in the film that did this or set up situations in which other psychopaths would cover things up or interact in strange ways.
Plus the fact that she never appeared to be scared, voice stayed calm and steady but stern in delivery, and the trick question about the "ad in the times" was a great move
Just think of why WW1 happened... Kill a bunch of normies, sell a lot of bullets and bombs. "Goodbye to all that" by Graves goes into his conviction that the powers that be dragged it out much longer than needed
Because he was totally losing his mind and grip on everything that far in a movie. She wasn't playing him bruh it's literally saying " I cleaned up your mess because of my personal gain, gtfo now from this apartment" . She is psychopath too definitely, I agree with that.
@@Slofoe your explanation makes way more sense and i’ve always thought the same, even if his employer cleaned it up for him it would make sense. Op’s theory is pretentiously over complicated.
Or, a simpler explanation, he imagined all the murders he committed.
notice how, throughout the conversation scene, Patrick's head takes up a lot of screen space and is higher up, then it becomes smaller and goes lower. While on the other hand the lady's head takes up more and more of the screen, and goes higher and higher to emphasizes their changing dynamic, amazing cinematography!!
Good point.😮
The director really used some incredible tactics, she really deserved more recognition for that stuff
How do people notice shit like this? That's such a small detail that it feels pointless😭😭😭
It's a short... It's like 1/10th the actual footage..
Don’t give the movie too much credit it’s one of the most overrated movies i’m ever
The story is simply that everyone is a Psycho, she basically cleaned and got rid of the bodies so she could sell the place.
It was definately arranged by his lawyer, remember the call he gave last night?
Wasn’t Paul killed in pateman’s place tho ?
@@footballteamedits6155 yea but he stored bodies in that closet, im not 100% sure if paul’s was in there tho cause im pretty sure bateman said something about him dissolving paul’s body in acid or something like that, but he killed a few people throughout the movie (assuming it wasn’t all in his head) and put their bodies in that closet
Just like how anyone can be an American, anyone can be an American psycho.
Ahhhhhh lol rich people ARE ALL PSYCHOTIC
If you look closely there is a can with white paint and some painting utensils in that closet. This makes me think that he did kill the people and she just got rid of them to keep the value of the apartment
Good eye.
You do realize that for her to get rid of the bodies and everything will make her equally as involved in the murders as Bateman, right? Noone in their right mind would risk atleast a decade behind bars or more likely much worse just to keep the apartment's value from depreciating. The plot twist in the film is that Bateman was in fact true to the films title, a highly delusional schizo.
Well if he imagined the whole story maybe he’s also imagining the paint cans.
This also made me think it was all real, it also makses sense with the story altogether, how everyone turns a blind eye just to continue with their lives
Or maybe that’s just part of selling a place, a bit of upkeep.
She’s suggesting he should promptly returns his videos tapes, they’re almost over due.
Hahaa he says that sh!t multiple times in the movie...awesome
But be kind and rewind.
Rated comment 😂
I love it
brilliant
Christian’s acting was sooooo amazing here. The crazed look in his eyes mixed with fear 😙🤌
When she says don’t come back and he says “I won’t” you kinda realize in Patrick’s mind that he isn’t the apex predator, he may have lowkey assumed he was special because of how his mind worked, I think im this moment he became aware of people who potentially are as dangerous or more dangerous than him, he almost thought so little of people he didn’t think any could be like him. The horror of another Bateman walking around is even frightening to him
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At this point in the movie he’s literally mentally defeated she got him on on a good one that’s forsure
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@@IronDJW 🌈
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The blocking in this scene says a lot. Once they both recognize they are predators, she backs up and the lighting implies who she really is.
Her clothes point it out as well, but more of the whites than the contrasting dark colors, which suggest her collected composure than Bateman's.
@@oujimandias6485 if you notice the light side of her clothes was the first to go into the shadows too.
Can you plz tell me what's the role of woman there?
@@harshitanand8059 she's a realtor showing the upscale condo of a guy THIS guy just killed with an axe a day or two prior to this scene. It's weird to him because no one KNOWS (or at least isn't SUPPOSED to know) that the owner is dead, and therefore couldn't be selling his place. Great movie, although it's never really clear exactly what events actually take place outside of this man's (Patrick Bateman played by Christian Bale) own mind. Brilliant use of allusion.
@@danielhood7844 thanks man
If you look closely when Patrick looks at the woman you can see painting supplies in the back and how her tone changes when she says there was no ad in the times.
I think she legit thinks he is some street yuppie, and just wants him out.
And she crosses over into the darker side of the room possibly to imply her bad intentions
I dont know if intentional, but you can see her face change slightly when she sees the mask, and when he says he's looking for Paul Allen
She cleaned the place up
Shen she realized that Patrick did it you can see that she never let Patrick out of her sight
@@rabbiama2940 yeah
_"Are you my two o'clock?"_
No. *I'm BATMAN*
Patrick Bat(e)man
what does it mean tho?
NO this is patrick!
LOL, his name is so punably memable.
Fuck yea 😅
“The colors of the walls….. that’s bone”
-Realtor lady
Fcking ell
Nice
Made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.
The tasteful application of paint
“Oh my God. It even has a chalk outline.”
Fun fact her name is Mrs. Wolf just like the Wolfe from pulp fiction (the guy that cleans up crime scenes)
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Hmmm
If the connection was intentional (which is arguably up to debate, the character existed in the book which was before the movie but i don’t know if her name was wolfe in the book) that’s literal proof right there that the killings did happen, she knew it was him, and she disposed of the body. No more debate. It’s weird how so many other commenters are thinking “no the whole movie and even this discussion is all in his head” lmfao.
Yea and people still think its fake i mean if its all fake nothing matters but thats maybe the case with matrix or Inception but this movie wants to show that the world is controlled and driven by money like nobody gives a shit when he/she gets enough money or people do everything even hide and lie about a death in order to keep their places in society and their money and people think it is just a bad dream and happy ending bruh negative iq
@@bolson42 lol it’s not weird if that was the intention. They wanted us to wonder if it was all real or not. And it’s still absurd in both circumstances but yeah all evidence points he’s at least killed the prostitutes because at the end Jean found his book with drawings of killings. But even then that’s technically the only proof. Cuz it’s right there. Mrs Wolf presence only makes us question things further. Only when she says “there was no times in the ads” is when it makes us think oh shit it did happen… but did it?
Definitely the creepiest scene in the movie. Doesn't take any gore or blood or violence or anything. Just a super creepy and eerie apartment made even more eerie by the fact that both people seem to know it shouldt look that way. And the way she says he should leave. It's all super eerie.
I like she never takes her gaze off of him for a second. She knows what he is all about.
That woman is on a higher level of the food chain compared to Patrick.
I think a play on “the old wise experienced women that knows evil when she sees it, and knows how to maneuver around it.”
@@kentinson1670 She said she wants no trouble tho.
@@fellipedasilva99 i mean, realistically, Patrick wouldn't be able to harm her since she was also entertaining customers prior to Patrick appearing. Too many witnesses for him to start killing.
She was also able to sus out that Patrick must have something to do with Paul Allen's body there but she can't say anything or else she would lose the deal with the place. Her never breaking eye contact and never showing her back to Patrick is her way of saying "I know you have something to do with that corpse. Leave now and I'll forget this happened."
She doesn't. Man, you guys are piss poor at reading people.
Patrick is not the only psychopath in this film.
Pretty much every other character he knows personally has a horrific personality trait on par with his own, we just don't get to see it from their perception.
Pretty much every other character he knows personally has a horrific personality trait on par with his own, we just don't get to see it from their perception.
There are plenty of psychos in this movie
Facts
@@thatguybehindtheglassExcept for Jean! But that’s a special case
Her saying there was no ad in the times was her way of saying I know what you did here and you should go so I can sell this place and continue to cover up what you did.
Basically but she's also a sociopath so she can connect and relate and understand but also see you right through him.
@@richardgalvan9762 psychopath. Very different than sociopath.
Wrong 🤣
Early last year, I spent several weeks in a relatively small, boutique hotel with one of the writers, as well as one of the Directors of this film. They were staying there with the cast of some upcoming Bella Thorne film.
Many late night drinks on the smoking patio later, I started popping the questions…
Just as I had read, this production was a shit show, with multiple writers, three directors, and almost never saw the light of day.
And just as I suspected, it’s not supposed to make any sense.
When I asked the writer what the end meant, she responded, “ Who the fuck knows? Every important scene was shot three or four different ways, from three or four different points of view. We were just lucky to stitch something together that was entertaining.” 😂
She was showing the apartment...she pretended to have an add advertising the apartment. Their was no add ..so she knew he never saw the add and wasn't their to view the apartment
The music in this scene is terrifying. One of the scariest background music ive ever heard in a film
Right I have seen this movie a million times and never noticed how utterly terrifying it is!!!
The silence of the lambs had a terrifying music too also Psycho (Tony Perkins movie)
Sounds like an air conditioning unit lol
Check out the background sounds for Sinister. You'll thank me later. I can't even THINK of how frightening those are. That's how impactful Sinister 1's track noises were. Undoubtedly and incredibly disturbing to a satanic level. 😅
Am I being trolled? I hear no music.
This is what really happened …..
His lawyer had the place cleaned and put up for rent . Patrick called his lawyer the night before and told him about all the murders. Where and when they happened, while leaving him a message saying that he “did it again” and “might not be getting away with it this time”
Patrick left no living witnesses . The lady knows exactly who he is by looking at his mask that he was going to use to clean up the apartment . She works with Patrick’s lawyer . The realtor quizzes him to make sure he is lying about his interest in the unit . She tells him she doesn’t want trouble and asks him to leave and not return . Excellent advice to not return to the crime scene .
If you don’t believe me , watch the end of the movie . When Patrick talks to his lawyer, he says that he had lunch with Paul Allen in London last week. Testifying as a witness. Confirming Batemans alibi to the Police/Detective , of Paul Allen being in Europe on vacation.
Making Paul Allen a missing person and not murdered by Patrick. Thus, exonerating Patrick of any crimes committed.
Brilliant lawyer , Bravo 🇺🇸
I like this explanation.
Damn I thought he had schizophrenia
@@LordMegatons It's really up to your own interpretation. It's fun to entertain different theories about the movie too.
He's a schizophrenic who hallucinated everything..hints why he takes the medication in the scene where he "kills" Paul Allen
@@LordMegatons in reality this very likely the actual answer. But I like the whole weird openness of it all
In the novel the place has flowers everywhere while the lady is showing the apartment, flowers meant to cover the stench of the death that occurred there. The lady covered it up so the value of the place wouldn't go down. The world Bateman lives in is a very sick place, much creepier then himself.
Just like real life.
I wish the film left the cab driver scene at the end which once and for all confirms if Patrick was a killer.
I took it as, the American psycho is everyone that he hangs out and meets at that corporate world, not just Patrick.
It's not a novel it's a movie adaptation.
@@chrisdavis8650 Are you high? He's talking about the original book where the story of American Psycho is from. AKA a "Novel"
This the only time you see Patrick with genuine emotion, and it’s one of pure fear and horror
Not really, towards the end, he starts unravelling and all his emotions spill over at once. Between hysterical laughing on the phone to him literally sobbing to fits of rage. He also loses his shit in the laundry store.
@@SSD_Penumbra he also shows emotion for Jean who he believes is too pure.
@@urcookin I'd consider that him breaking. He knows he's messed up in the head and that was his point of lucidity. He's realised that he can't stop, even going as far as to consider killing someone who is genuinely nice to him, even if he doesn't reciprocate the feeling.
I don't consider it fear...more confusion. He isn't in control here for one. Two, he knows someone HAS to know what he has done, yet he is walking around free and clear...confusion.
How about that time he tried to strangle Lewis in the bathroom
First time seeing Patrick bateman helpless and scared
BATEMAN later went mad and locked himself in his apartment after realizing he was never going to face reality or prison.overwhelmed with guilt, He went home and fell into a depression and wrote a comic of what the opposite of himself would be. You guessed it…… a vigilante that does the opposite of killing and and makes murder his one rule not to break. whos very parents were murdered and whos greatest foe is someone just like him ….the joker.…Bateman dropped the "e" and became Batman. He later explains and confesses to his crimes writing them under the jokers character.
He changed the gender of the real estate agent and made her a butler and named her Alfred. The only one to know his true identity Since she was the only one to come face to face with him, know who he was, and not fear him.
BOOM 🤯
@@Sasquatch0x I feel like he did and his dad had it cleaned
He was scared when the detective was closing in on him
Creepiest part of this scene is that he suddenly lost his sigma mindset
Lmao idk if this is ironic or not it's damn hilarious
Looks like someone forgot to inform him that the grind don’t stop 💪🏻
He never was sigma.
@@comrade137there's no such thing. Go touch grass
@@Evelyn_Richardson you had not to write that. 🤨 Annoying.
This scene goes to show there’s always a bigger fish in the sea. As brief as their interaction is, you can tell she’s in a completely different league than Bateman
She said she wants no trouble tho.
I think it’s just a play on “the old wise experienced women that knows evil when she sees it, and knows how to maneuver around it.”
@@fellipedasilva99 she’s just as cold but she knows what he’s capable of obviously hence why she says that.
@@fellipedasilva99 that doesnt mean anything, "bigger fish" not always means more stronger or dangerous, sometimes it's just experience, knowing how to deal with high and lows, ofc she was careful thats why she kept some distance and focused on looking at him, (precaution for a possible reaction of.Bateman) but when she moves to make space for him leaving the house she was already in control of the exchange thats why at that moment she commands him to leave unlike you said at the start "don't want trouble"
I think it more is who sociopaths at different levels of development. Patrick is having his first real break since he gave into his impulses, but this woman is someone with far more experience. Someone who maybe had something similar happen and learned from it and how to completely hide the lack of humanity she has.
@@fellipedasilva99 No the darkness cast over her as she stepped back was clearly meant to imply that she’s evil too
“There are levels to this shit, Bateman.”
Bateman: the Lost Formative Years of Batman
That's Master-Bateman to you. 😏
it's BatMAN.
@@manifestingMIKEE7777 no it isn’t that’s his name in the movie
@@jackshinneman285 🤦
Her stepping into the shadow really conveys how dominant she is over him in this moment. Excellent camera work!
"There was no Ad in the Times."
Biggest Uno Reverse card in History.
Oh really ? Is it?
Impressive. Nice.
Let's see Paul Allen's uno reverse card.
Dayum!
@@scorpionwins6378oh my gosh his Card has watermark too
You haven't met my trans girlfriend, tho.
The whole idea that in a movie about a serial killer, he runs into a person more evil than him who not only figures what he did and who he is, but *lets him go* (because it would be hypocritical not to), is absolutely brilliant
EDIT: I'm NOT stating this as an accurate description of this scene; I'm mostly enamored with that idea, though, after watching this scene. Sorry for the confusion.
I always thought the movie was an allegory for the ruthlessness of cut throat business at the highest levels. Lives are destroyed. Crimes are covered up. Everyone who is still in the game has an interest for things to go smoothly and the wealthiest get a different brand of justice where they never get caught but Bateman in the end is a kind of Raskolnikov because his paranoia and disillusionment with the fact that he's not the most evil one around end up being his eternal punishment.
@@RoyArrowood which movie is this pls ?
Name of the movie please
@@blessed9491American psycho.
@@blessed9491 American Psycho
The way she step aside from the light is a brilliant touch
The realtor and the lawyer at the end drop their masks and turn into sociopaths just like Patrick. They don’t blink either
never connected the 2 before but its elegant 😱 whys it not possible 🤣
Whats wrong with not blinking?
@@anakkecil-bq9vuever seen a portrait of an eyeball on a wall somewhere? Or seena predator with they're fixated on their prey? That's why unblinking eyes are terrifying
First time seeing Patrick bateman helpless and scared
@@anakkecil-bq9vuPerson who never blinks that doesn’t identify as psychopath. Only the behaviour of a person that identifies as a psychopath.
She was the only other person in the whole movie on his level and the only person who acknowledged what he did.
The entire movie was filmed to make it ambiguous as to whether or not he actually did it
It's only your interpretation that populates what you believe to have happened, but there is no set answer
wrong, his lawyer knows everything that he did so he sent this women to clean up the mess he made
@@hopefulromantic. why
almost like he A devil and not the devil yet. Where she wasn't even the top, just something scarier.
@@stoagymahalo5268 devils advocate
I think she's the real American Psycho. The sudden change in demeanor, the look she gives, and tone of voice. I think she actually scared Patrick.
It’s like in Pinocchio when the Fox goes to toast the Coachman,
only to realize the man is a stone-cold trafficker, made of an evil that completely diminishes the Fox’s “badness”.
The real American Psycho is the people we meet along the way
She said she wants no trouble tho. I think it’s a play on “the old wise experienced women that knows evil when she sees it, and knows how to maneuver around it.”
@@fellipedasilva99 ..But it seemed like he had a fear of her, as well.
BINGO. Corporate cover-ups, political cover-ups, religious cover-ups... Cold hard business as usual, and they don't care who was hurt, as long as they succeed. They're all personified within this realtor lady. It's all become so normalized that people don't even recognize it as evil anymore.
This scene showcases it brilliantly that both Bateman and sales woman are deep down monsters. Bateman is shocked and dumbfounded that his crime scene has vanished, while saleswoman can see through him and as she walks into the shadows her entire face gets covered in darkness. As to symbolise that she too is a monster and perhaps even more evil than him as she has cleaned up the place to keep the property value high as if nothing has ever happened there.
Did she KNOW that the bodies were there?
I love how even the paint cans in the closet aren't a clear indicator whether he did it or not, because it would be completely normal for an apartment to be painted before a showing. Such a great movie!
No. It’s pretty clear.
@@daltonbuchholz5061 Please elaborate. Dalton.
No Its Not clear, yes bateman have killed people for example the homeless man, but it’s in he’s head, that’s the whole point with the ending.
@@daltonbuchholz5061
Yes, exactly. It's completely clear.
No. She is a psycho as well. She sees right through him. He knows it, but is taken aback, probably because she is a frail old lady. It’s very clear she painted and cleaned up after him in order to make money selling the apartment
I feel he found a predator at a higher level of the food chain
she also kills ppl for fun?
The movie is called american psycho. Not "a collection of american psychos"
Everyone around bateman would have to be a psycho for this to work.
@@nemo-x that makes no sense at all
@@nemo-x you missed the movie making a point of everyone around Bateman being eerily similar to him and just as psychotic in their own ways
@@nemo-x also not "the psycho is nateman and only bateman btw"
Really creepy scene that shows they are bigger monsters out there and what Patrick did was kid’s play. Also money is god. Dispose bodies and evidence to ensure high value. Worst was done and she watches Patrick as a issue than a threat
How do you know that?
@@snight01 because he was a stranger and was acting weird. You never bluff to see if someone is telling the truth. Like " how's your brother" knowing the person you are talking to doesn't have one
@@snight01 we don't know anything, the whole movie is ambiguous
@@alucard2010 and that’s how they interpreted it so why did you even bother with this comment. Anyone who’s seen it knows it’s ambiguous so they make fun head canon?
@@PoutingScout he didn't say it was his interpretation, he stated it as fact 🤣🤡
I remember reading a theory somewhere that stated that his father is the one that had all this taken care of, considering his father is the owner of the company he works for.
Patrick Bateman questioning his whole existence still a classic 😂😂😂
@@horrorclipsproductions BATEMAN later went mad and locked himself in his apartment after realizing he was never going to face reality or prison.overwhelmed with guilt, He went home and fell into a depression and wrote a comic of what the opposite of himself would be. You guessed it…… a vigilante that does the opposite of killing and and makes murder his one rule not to break. whos very parents were murdered and whos greatest foe is someone just like him ….the joker.…Bateman dropped the "e" and became Batman. He later explains and confesses to his crimes writing them under the jokers character.
He changed the gender of the real estate agent and made her a butler and named her Alfred. The only one to know his true identity Since she was the only one to come face to face with him, know who he was, and not fear him.
BOOM 🤯
She is way more menacing than Bateman. She isn't afraid of him. She just doesn't want complications. She wants to get the place sold.
A woman who's hungry for money and enough determination is a scary thing.
@@machokmacho6597 she gangsta until I jab her chin and she out cold
@@machokmacho6597 Bruh chill out. No woman would be able to do this fr. If it was a Man then yeah.
@@muhammadeyssa23648 I don't know bro if a woman is crazy enough and determined she's capable of some great evil lol
@@machokmacho6597 Look Men often treat women as a JOKE. So they STAY AS a joke. They can only compete with other WOMEN. Not MEN.
He definitely killed the person she looks down in that direction if it was all in his head she wouldn’t have looked down like that
She looked at his mask
IT’S ALL IN HIS HEAD lmao he did not get into a goddamn shootout with the police, you might as well say hey there was a police helicopter outside with a spotlight, they wouldn’t have been looking for him if it didn’t happen 🤪
If it was all in his head her looking down like that could also be in his head.
@@Joepage69 or shes looking at what he was looking at because human beings are designed to do that
@@jacobthomas1344 Yeah but let’s be real dude put a cat into the ATM.
In the book it was supposed to be ambiguous.
She looked terrifying when she went into the shadow of the door, symbolizing her own darkness.
Oh you’re right 👍!
You're reading too much into it. That is not what was happening.
@@sqlevoliciousmaybe you're the one not reading enough into it.
@@sqlevoliciousThat is what is happening. Every single shot you see in a film is meticulously crafted, especially lighting. A character doesn't step into the shadows and get obscured for no reason.
Patrick Bateman: We're intertwined with people
That woman is the only character in the movie that Patrick actually fears and their encounter is the only time where we see him scared
@@heinrichharkonen2084 BATEMAN later went mad and locked himself in his apartment after realizing he was never going to face reality or prison.overwhelmed with guilt, He went home and fell into a depression and wrote a comic of what the opposite of himself would be. You guessed it…… a vigilante that does the opposite of killing and and makes murder his one rule not to break. whos very parents were murdered and whos greatest foe is someone just like him ….the joker.…Bateman dropped the "e" and became Batman. He later explains and confesses to his crimes writing them under the jokers character.
He changed the gender of the real estate agent and made her a butler and named her Alfred. The only one to know his true identity Since she was the only one to come face to face with him, know who he was, and not fear him.
BOOM 🤯
“He changed the gender of the real estate agent and made her a butler named Alfred.” 💀
@@SerpentShark13927 alfred was a special ops dude wasn't he? B4 Bruce was born?
He was afraid of the detective several times
I like how she walks to the dark and gives him that cold stare. That was probably done on purpose to show her true colors. Not all phycos kill. They can see thru each other. Shes not gonna allow him to mess up her sale.
How is she a psycho tho?
Phycos lol
When a killer meets a killer the one who is more experienced knows first and quickly knows how to keep the less experienced killer from also knowing so the more experienced killer has the advantage while also playing a few mind games with the less experienced killer at the same time
@@OverRule1 these are psychopaths in reality and not all psychopaths are murderers as the original comment outlined
Not even a narcissistic serial killer can match the sheer evil of a real estate agent
She 100% cleaned that shit. You can't tell me nothing.
The movie was intentionally left ambiguous
There is no evidence either way that she did or didn't
I mean Paul Allen had an expensive apartment.
Probably worth millions. If it was a murder house that tanks the value of all the apartments in the building.
People kill for less.
😅
That's one skilled old lady.
Definitely not alone either
"I'm a high capacity residential landlord in downtown NYC. I've done things you psychopaths wouldn't believe."
You win the internet today.
Jeffrey Dalmer would be scarred by the actions of downtown NYC landlords 😂
my landlord is from New York. this comment is sadly, highly accurate. 😐
@@zinuru2707 literally any landlord not just the ones from NYC. Have you seen Florida? The only thing these old fucks do for a living is sell shelter and up the rent on the less fortunate
@@PostMalone-real oh yeah. I'm in Florida. Lol it is as you say.
Realized her suit is also a white shade and a dark shade - like Two-Face in Batman. Symbolises the concept of duality, and the conflict between the presentable good side of her and the evil that lurks within.
It's a scene where they both know what happened there but they don't want to talk about it so they're gonna brush it over and forget about it
They don’t make movies like this anymore and it saddens me.
Movie title pls.
@@joybishop3751 American Psycho.
They’re making pretty darn good movies these days.
I wish they had gotten the part where he says “I won’t” and walks out. Ngl that’s my favorite part, two strangers who will never see or speak to each other again but they both will remember it for the rest of their lives
The lady named Dorsia: 💀
Nothing more cold hearted than a realtor
True that. I worked for a realtor, and although he wasn't outright malicious, he was very cold hearted at times. People thought he was the nicest guy, too. He would joke and smile but it was mostly an act, all he cared about was the commission.
landlords lol
Hey man im a realtor and I have a warm heart 😂
@@carmengogeidnas9670 huh? 😂I just want people to help be able to live in their own dream home brother that’s what’s it’s really about. I’m going to change the game man you’ll see it
No kidding
"Are you my 2 o'clock?"
"No, I'm just here to return some videotapes."
Have you… seen my business card? It’s exquisite.
@@None-lx8kj Impressive..... very nice
@@lucasmlikes1474 Let me see Paul Allen’s business card
Thank you so much for not adding dumbo sigma music to this scene. It’s truly chilling as it is and deserves to stay untouched. 👌
Yeah not sure why people feel the need to add their own soundtrack when uploading a clip. I can’t stand it.
@@hawk66100 Because GIGACHAD ENERGY is all the rage these days, especially with teenage boys
@@DisemboweII and you're a woman butthurted about it.
Right, it’s so annoying. They’re ruining the movie
Sigma female rule No.2: suggest that the beta male should go.
it's the total lack of blinking for me, my dudes
Manz realized the world is just as crazy as him when it comes to “keeping things cool”.
She was smart enough not to turn her back on him... Even for a second...
That’s because she’s also a psycho
She knows a psycho because she is one too. She took care of the bodies and when she realized who he was she didn't bat an eye.
Notice how they emphasize her shadow and not only that she steps out from the shadows and then returns to them .. her jacket is also split in half to represent the dualistic nature of the American Psycho which occurs throughout the entirety of the film . There’s also painting supplies in the background suggesting that the murders did actually occur and she cleaned up the scene of the crime .. I strongly believe she is also an American Psychopath much older and more sinister than even Patrick Bateman.
I watched this movie hundreds of times....and I never caught that
The word sinister is used perfectly here. Her stepping back into the shadow with that cold unwavering stare at Patrick is utterly terrifying. Even when he walks past her, that stare is still trained on him.
I applauded your analysis, amazing! Film is so intricate with scenes planned out to symbolize, highlight, insinuate, exaggerate, portray an emotion, it’s too clever! Sometimes I’m too immersed in a plot to notice.
Good God... you people are like the English 101 Prof that thinks he knows more about _Paradise Lost_ than Milton himself.
maybe
I wonder how their encounter would have gone if Patrick was not in such a bad state of mind, but with his usual confidence.
Her little step into the shadows was far more than symbolic
I've noticed that they use this effect in 90's films too.
Absolutely. The scene is implying that there is a superior position, a group of people, that is profiting from his psychopathic behavior, and choosing silence and money over any justice. Just as in everydays life
The Clinton’s and Bidens
@@horse-4598and trumps
@@olbabybeard no.
@@olbabybeardpeople like you are the reason we should remove warning labels…. 🤦🏻♂️ Trump 2024 and throw the CORRUPT BIDENS AND OBAMAS AND CLINTONS TRAITORS IN JAIL! 🇺🇸
@olbabybeard The Trumps??? The Trumps have helped the U.S more than any president in history. This is coming from me, a foreigner from New Zealand 😂
U missed the shot of him saying “i wont” with the most disgusted look on his face. I love this movie
First time seeing Patrick bateman helpless and scared
He backed off like an animal would when faced with a bigger threat.
@@jorgefigueroa2231 literally me
Yeah.. I was waiting for that part 😂
Luvit
This is what happens when a psycopath meets a sociopath 💀
No
Not quite
Two psychopaths can get to get along
A wall street business man and a New York real estate agent? They really are monsters
No. This is when a narcissist and a psychopath meet. Bateman is a narcissist. She is a psychopath.
she came in looking the Grim Realtor 💀💀😂
bro fr 🤣🤣 I forgor tbh ☠️☠️💀
Underrated comment this is gold.
All realtors are the Grim Realtor 💀
Oh you goofball
He killed them and Patrick’s rich ass dad who owns P&P covered it up to protect him. He got a bunch of lawyers and other people to help him cover it up. That’s why Patrick is so confused when nobody seems to know what happened and he’s left to fill in the blanks with his paranoid and psychotic head.
He didn't kill at all.
@@dominikbator8585he did, even the director himself said that he did it
@@efficientgaming4603 If he really killed all the people, how did the lawyer met with Paul Allen after the murder?!
@@dominikbator8585 look back at the main comment that we're talking under
@@efficientgaming4603 Yes I readed it. And now read again my comment. How did the lawyer met with Paul Allen if Patrick killed him?!
"I suggest you go."...controlling him with an unblinking stare, like an animal trainer...or a twisted, dominating dark mother. "And don't come back." (we wouldn't want you to get into further trouble, or to unravel too much of the truth. You are the bad little boy, aren't you.)...with props to Ottoman for a similar analysis, meta within meta.
The dark energy emanating from her. It’s bone chilling
....both of them creeped me out😳
I fail to understand what's creepy so I came here to have people explain it. Maybe I'm just around too many sociopaths and have become accustomed to their shit
@@amartyapandit you’re accustomed to people murdering people and then other people covering it up for them
@@josh2711 I haven't encountered live murder and don't wish to but I've seen selfish, cold psychopathic people who don't care about anyone but themselves and they wouldn't hesitate to do something like in the movie in a heartbeat so it's less shocking to me I know how pathetic the human race is
@@amartyapandit homie that’s mental illness. It’s not their character. At one point everyone was an innocent child. Including those people you’re talking about. It’s just that their brain is wired differently and we have no real resources for those people to get the help they need. Because were reactionary. We don’t stop issues before they happen. Hell we have the NSA but for the past decade we just allowed folks to plan massacres online, then carry them out in real life. Only for them to be stopped after they commit the crime. Be mad at the human race for failing these people. Not for them being born different
@@PostMalone-real No fuck those people they're true evil sometimes evil needs no help but mercilessness
The very first time I seen this movie. By the end I got a feeling that everybody knew about Patrick, they were just all rich and denied it. I can't explain it but i got the most sinister feeling like they were all rich and capable of doing just as much as Patrick did. I found it a little too convenient that things always happened to go his way, as if he has no clue someone or maybe multiple people are watching him and protecting him and letting him roam free in New York. He said it himself he did everything in his power to get caught and gave a full confession and it was just pawned off as a joke and bye bye went the most important piece of the case that would've put him away for good. I can kind of understand where people come from when they say this stuff might've never happened. I kind of wish that were the exact case but something tells me that Patrick's secrets..........weren't so secret to begin with.
Nice, now let’s see Paul Allen’s “secrets”
@@timmytimtimm9089 LMFAOO
Oo, that was the point of the novel, that we were all capable of the worst things. I love this book, though I never should have read it when I was 11
when he asks paul alen how he got a reservation at dorsia, paul says "jokingly" that he would have to kill him if he knew. i think he wasnt joking all of these upperclass yupis have dirt on them after all the book is a take on 80's yupi culture and consumerism. just like now in real life, look at epstein scandal, warnstein, dubai porta potty etc. these rich fcks are all a bunch of inhuman scum. Also i dont think they knew but more that they didnt care
I like your explanation.
That's when you realise Patrick is surrounded by other monsters more cunning than himself.
that is the thing people think that angels have no guile ....not true.
Patrick is an impulsive killer, like a beast
That real estate agent is the real apex predator, she handles him like a puppy
Horrifying when she steps into shadow towards the end 😳 amazing directing choices
Shes just an older different version. She knew it was him when she looked down at the dust mask, because she needed one herself. Then confirmed it and she dropped character.
When you and your best friend as on the same exact level of insane and clean up each others crimes. Actually quite relatable
🤨🤨🤨
This is the one scene that throws me for a loop with this movie.
th-cam.com/video/ByLEIKTjgtk/w-d-xo.html don’t let it be murdered and she covered it up
Shows two psychopaths running into each other. Patrick killed them but she purposely hid the bodies from the world to keep the property value up.
His lawyer had the place cleaned and put up for rent after Patrick called him the night before and said he did again , confessed all his crimes, where and when . Watch the end of the movie to understand that his lawyer covered everything up and said he had dinner with Paul Allen in London last week. Confirming his alibi to the police when Patrick left the voice mail on Paul’s Machine in his apartment and told everyone he was on vacation in Europe .
Her quietly disposing of those bodies, and her entire aura makes you wonder what kind of skeletons she has in her own closets.
“I suggest you go” slight tilt of the head & eye contact, changes the entire mood.
I don’t think this scene implies she’s a killer. She’s just a ruthless real estate agent that senses something is seriously wrong with him.
She helped dispose of the body to keep the price high. Him and her are different types of psychos that are common in society.
I think she did not care it was going to make her a lot of money and she does realize the person was "Off " in some way
Exactly, people are reading too much into it. She just knows he was probably the one who left the bodies there, for his question about Paul Allen.
@@lookdawg187 that is completely unrealistic and frankly an insane take
@@eduardopazhurtado3882 She stares him down fearlessly and starts commanding him. That's not a regular people response to being eye to eye with someone you know is a serial killer.
Nice , now let’s see Paul Allen’s place
😎
Did you see the ad in the times?
Did we not just do that?
That is a paul allens place dumb dumb
@@Corn-Mars There was no ad in the Times.
I love way she never takes her eyes off him as she steps into the shadows. The creepy part is shows absolutely zero fear of him. She isn’t afraid of him, and that alone makes me wonder what she really is.
Which makes me question, is she even real? Its like she is some mental guard warding him from facing reality.
@@fake-king3837 I have always considered her part of his own fractured psyche.
So many of the actors in this movie gave incredible performances
Her whole fucking face changed after saying “I suggest you go.” It’s so terrifying.
The lawyer he called the night before had it cleaned up (she's the help), then denied it when Patrick confronts him at the end of the movie, because that's a damn good lawyer.
What a load of nonsense haha, nice idea though, just not based upon any information in the film or novel
It makes sense. A confession like that the lawyer could’ve reacted all horrified but didn’t. More like da helll you talking about, to play it off.
and I bet THAT is the psychotic nature, where HE thought what he did was monstrous and powerful, only to be practice for a profession that is always in high demand. Like imagine being a REALLY good bank thief, only to find out you been robbing banks your father buy's out.
ONLY its murder. That's how I took it, where they let him run rampant, never realizing till that moment that these people taken advantage to almost practice how to keep someone LIKE him safe.
bro hired saul goodman
When a psycho meets a psycho
Acting on self-preservation and self-protection to protect your business and colleagues does not automatically make you a psycho. This woman is just another evil predator that you typically encounter in every day society.
What's brilliant about this scene is how strong she was....she saw right through him, and he knew that and he knew his only way out was to leave right then and there. His best bet was to quit while he's ahead and not make any trouble for himself.....like the lady suggested
I think a play on “the old wise experienced women that knows evil when she sees it, and knows how to maneuver around it.”
"there's always a BIGGER BADDER monster out there"
Her cleaning up the apartment for money and not going to the police is arguably better than actually killing someone in cold blood. But what do I know
"There was no ad in the times and for that reason I'm out "
-Barbara
This comment should be way more appreciated lmfao
😂
Lmao wtf
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😊
She’s just tired of cleaning up after him.
I love this scene, where she says to Bateman: "It's you! You're the American psycho!"
I've always liked to believe that there's some indescribable higher power at play during this film. This scene specifically gives me that strongest impression, I love not knowing anything about her but her dissonance and intelligence has always made me think she's part of something more
I always saw her as being another monster like Patrick. She cleaned the bodies and the apartment for momentary gain. If anyone knew people died there, the price of rent would go down
@@Krawberry source
@@thenoobreturnz8968 no source, it’s just how I personally see it
There is no higher power, this is paranoid; the truth of bateman is that he really is nobody, nothing.
@@OsirusHandle I really don't like that idea because then parts of the film mean nothing, you can tell by the way this woman acts there's more to it than "it was just in his head." You're welcome to think that but there's no more proof for that theory than any other theory so its best if you dont talk so matter of fact. It's also far more fun to think about all of the possibilities and explanations that aren't just schizophrenia, because who ever said this has to take place in our world? At the very least I like to believe the confession is real because it's such a joy to watch these mysterious people at the end, I want to know more about them and I love that I just never will
When watching this film she did seem more in touch with his reality or less of a vacant blur than other characters
This scene suggests so much. It's such a powerful scene. Everything it represents. Especially in these times with creepy secrets just slipping through code.
I think he was schizophrenic the whole time which would explain why nobody reacts when he says morbid things or how he admits completely to the murder of Paul Allen and then confronts who he admitted to and is told that its impossible for Paul to be dead and then this scene or how nobody reacts to a guy running down a hall naked with a blaring chainsaw
The Creator of the film said, this wasn’t a dream or a schizophrenic episode. Rather the real estate was too valuable, and a murder would cause a decline in price. So everyone just ignored what he did. A nod to our society today… greedy and non-existent touch with reality
No he wasn’t🤯
@VRCMF well, I'd have to see that interview to believe it. But I wouldn't write it off. It's also a good concept. But I think ppl like the unhinged maniac in your own mind theory.
No he killed everyone except Paul Allen. Or he did kill Paul Allen and the lawyer thought he had dinner with him because people mistake each other for someone else alot. Otherwise why would she lie about the ad being in the times. She knew he is the killer of all those girls.
@@vrcmf3172 I've seen an interview of him saying that Patrick is in fact not all there and most of the things we see didn't actually happen.