The Biggest EV Ownership Expense Just Shrank
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
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Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
0:25 - Hidden Expense of Owning an EV
0:47 - Weight and Torque
1:34 - Uneven tire wear
1:52- Hankook's Range Boosting Tires
2:41 -Reduced Rolling resistance and 6% range boost
3:09 - Independent Testing
3:39 - 50,000 Mile Tire Warranty
3:54 - Dry/Wet/Snow Performance
4:09 - 29% Cabin Noise reduction - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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A discount code from Hankook would have been clutch Kim!! Gotta negotiate that next time.
Especially here in Australia where the Hankooks are almost AU$700
Use discount code CHILL-MODE
"there's no engine on an EV so it's going to be louder" but I think he meant "everything will be so quiet on an EV that tires are the only noise left to hear"
I just picked up my P model Y last week and was happily surprised they included these tires
Seems to me you answered your own question your right foot is more of a problem than the car! That's not a criticism just an observation if everybody put their cars in chill mode or equivalent in other brands we would use a lot less tires, just wouldn't have as much FUN! Cheers
I got over 50k out of the original tires, I'm at 68k now and the insides have def worn down and it's time to get new ones. The middle of tread still have life left in it amazingly but not much haha. I drive mostly on the highway and I'm not doing a lot of stop starting and flooring the pedal every chance I get.
I’ve noticed people who speak about tire wear came from much smaller less horsepower cars. Coming from a BMW, tire wear on Teslas is actually better.
Remember the drivers that would try to get the most mileage out of their ice vehicles and they would actually do techniques such as coasting downhills without accelerating things like this.I wonder if those same techniques can be applied to the EVs
One of the biggest issues I've noticed is typically people who buy and drive EVs are typically the opposite of a "car guy" so things like tire pressures is never addressed by EV owners, they just get in and drive and wonder why their tires are prematurely worn. When we picked up our model Y and 3 the pressures were set at 43 psi which makes sense because higher pressure is normal for heavier vehicles. I believe the sticker on the door calls for 42 PSI which is 10 PSI higher than your typical ICE car. Something an ICE driver has to adjust too in heavier vehicles. I've kept our tires at 43 to 44 PSI and the tire wear is almost flat across the tread. Both cars are at 12,000 miles now so Ill be rotating the tires again this weekend. Also tire pressure goes up and down dramatically with the climate so always stay on top of your pressures. Tire pressure and proper alignment will keep your tires from wearing as badly on the inside edge like the examples in this video regardless of tire brand.
Same here I am up to 35,000 Miles on my model 3 Tyre pressure kept between 42 - 45 PSI and the wear is pretty even, and I have never rotated, still about another 10,000 miles left I think.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC The cold factory pressures on my 19yo gas bmw 3 series are 38 and 42. A tesla 3 is lighter. Depends on tire design too.
"...typically people who buy and drive EVs are typically the opposite of a "car guy"..." A rather broad brush there. Some of us know quite a bit and are just tired of hassling with maintenance on smoggy engines, especially as we get older.
@@DefundTheFringes Of course but from the questions I see asked in forums and groups a lot of EV folks are completely mechanically challenged when it comes to cars. Seems like a much higher percentage than ICE drivers.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC A model 3 and bmw 3 series weigh about the same. Look it up. Both are lighter than the same size benz.
Tire wear is related to the way a car is driven.
The weight of a Tesla Model 3 (highland standard range) is about the same as that of a BMW 330i, so I would not expect any different tire wear.
I've got 35k on my original set of tires with probably 20-30k left. I'm in chill mode most of the time, very normal tire life even compared to ice cars.
I believe you, mine is the same
I’ve got 36,000 miles on my OEM tires within 15 months. I’ve got good tread left and even tire wear. I drive on chill and 60 percent of my travel is highway.
I have 31k on my original M3 tires and be at 5/32 tread depth. So probably a few thousand miles left on them.
Tesla is the best car company ever! No gas stations, No oil changes, No smog check, No corrupt dealership, No catalytic converter and faster than a $650,000 Lamborghini!
It’s not the EV, it’s the right foot!!
this is what i going to say
@@timnevitt2993 All that immediate torque is hard to resist.
Just replaced the tires on our 2019 Tesla Model 3 Long Range RWD after they lasted almost 60,000 miles! Got over $400 off the new set as these tires have an 80,000 mile warranty, and unlike most brands, they actually honor the warranty and give you free money towards the new set if they wear out before the warranty. If you're curious what tires I have, I made a video about the tires I use on my TH-cam. They increase our range with low-rolling resistance, and they wore evenly too 😎
Nokian One All Season for anyone who's interested and don't want to watch a video to find out
I got these for my wife's Model 3 back in October. They were a nice improvement all around from the oem tires.
I ordered them through Discount Tire and when I went in for the appointment they were excited since they had never seen these specific tires before and the manager said they had everything you would want in a tire. I believe he said they were like the Cadillac of tires.
Just got the Hankook Ion Evo SUV for our Model Y long range and so far love them. Rides very planted/quiet and love that they have a 50K mile warranty because my factory Good Year tires (trash) lasted less than 24K which was a shocker. TIP: Get your model Y tire rotation every 5-6K and wheel alignment checked every 6 months because bad alignment will chew through your tires fast and unevenly.
how much you pay? I got 2024 model y, just got a nail on my tire and they said if it cant be fixed its 450 for the pirelli tires
A 3 or Y is about the same weight as fossfuel bmw 3 series, and lighter than the same size benz.
Easy to look up.
It's how you drive. Ev's have a lot of beans to have fun with.
Exactly. Any Tesla in chill mode is still very capable and will be a lot less stressful on the tires ˇ\_(ツ)_/ˇ
@@Fanzindel TY. Finally someone with some basic knowledge.
If you drive like a maniac then your tires wear, it’s how that works. Maybe try chill mode a little more often and you’ll be surprised how long tires can actually last.
Same with the people complaining about range when they always try to drive at least 70 MPH on the highway and think they can cheat physics.
Depends on how you drive
The tires on an EV wear according to how you drive! I got over 60K miles on my first set of Model Y tires.
I love the $200 EV Tag Tax here in Georgia.
Yeah, it's a great b-day gift. Even better when the gas tax is removed yet our tax unaffected.
Gone up to $200 here in TN as well. It's rediculous.
Ouch. I didn't know that and I'm looking at model Y's. That sucks.
@@jimmymartin1902 check insurance as well....increases were small on other evs other than tesla, which was way higher.
$200? California says hold my beer. EV registrations here are $600 - $800.
I have 83K miles on my Michelin CrossClimate 2’s 2021 MYLR with 121K miles. It’s ALL about the right foot.
All this generalisation. My EV is actually lighter than the car that preceded it. Sure, it is smaller (on the outside) but that is part of going green. My tyres are @ 50k km and will go for another +/- 30k km (total of 50k miles). My service fee is $7 per 30k km for wheel weights and my energy consumption is $30 from fast chargers as home charging is solar and free.
The consensus seems to be those complaining about “EV tire wear” came from smaller underpowered cars. I agree, coming from a BMW, there is no tesla tire wear.
i came from a ram 1500 to a lightning and i think there is only a couple hundred pounds difference
Chill mode driving 3:44 lowers the wear and tear on a Tesla
My 21” model S tyres last just as long as my previous ice cars!
The factory tires (Continental) on my M3 AWD with the acceleration package lasted 37K miles. I made the mistake of never checking the car alignment, and if I had, those tires would've lasted at least 42K miles. All of them were also repaired after some punctures. Now the car is running on Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 Performance, amazing tires they don't have foam and the noise reduction is so much better than the Continental with foam in them. The car is close to 49 k miles no issues and happy with the performance specially on raining conditions
Really enjoy the Ion EVO's. Had them on my LR RWD 3 for just over 10 months and almost 9K miles. Over all WH/Mi has dropped by 4.
I have the original Goodyear tires on my Model Y non EV tires and I have 30K plus on them. No wear pattern at all. But the new Goodyear EV tires are much better than the Hankook tires in road test proformed by Tire Rack.
We like our hankook ions for our x and 3P .. just took 7000mi roadtrip..handled all season weather conditions well
People's right foot, and checking pressures makes far more of a difference. And EVS are only about 10% heavier, so that's not such a big factor. We have a MY Performance, and the Michelin tread is only approx 50% worn after 40,000km (25,000 miles). That's with zero rotations in that time.
BMW 3 series and Mercedes C Class are far heavier than the Tesla Model 3.
Thanks for the video, Kim. I don't need new tires yet, but have bookmarked this video for when I do.
I bought these last December for a road trip from Florida to Maine for my 2023 M3P and I can't believe the added range. They are a lot greasier than the Pirelli's that came with it but for daily driving, they are great. I have Michelin's new EV tires on my wife's Y and haven't noticed any range increase or durability difference yet. Will probably get Hancook for her's next.
Some brands offer mileage warranties which come in very handy as you burn through tires. With regen, an EV is always either applying motive traction or braking when regenerating. It is always under a fore or aft traction load, and the weight of the car is more than most ICE cars, so tire wear is always an issue with EVs, even with a light foot or even on a Bolt.
*Wow! You sold me.*
Nice to see some other tire manufacturers getting into this space. The Pilot Sport 4S with the Tesla sound deadening treatment that came on my new Model S Plaid were incredibly quiet, but they also got destroyed WAY too quickly. I know I can do the camber link kits on the car, but I'd much rather just find a quiet, grippy tire that can get the job done.
Camber adjustment is what would really help with handling, especially if you do put a sticky tire on it.
I want airless tires when I have to replace the tires on my cyber truck
I use Hankook for ages, naturally when I bought a model S75D, I fitted the ion ones 😊
Definitely will keep in mind thanks
Do we need to get EV specific tires or will any extra load tire in the correct size do?
EV specific tires have so much more built in catering to your cars extra torque, cabin quietness, etc. would definitely consider EV specific tires when vs others when the time comes.
How well would these same tires be on a conventional gasoline vehicle? Would they tend to last longer as well as providing a much quieter ride inside the cabin etc?
In Australia: I get my wheel alignment checked and adjusted every three months, plus they put nitrogen in the tyres instead of normal air. The tyre place offers free nitro top up any time but because nitrogen is a larger molecule, I never have to adjust the tyre pressure ever.
Sounds like good tires for my Yukon xl
Thanks Kim for the helpful video, which helped confirm that Hankook ION EV AS will be the next tires for my Y. By the way, tirerack just did a great video comparing EV and non EV tires and their comment on the ION EV AS was "A mixed bag that shines in the right situations while leading in efficiency."
Costco has good deals on EV tires with the labor included
These were actually the next ones I was going to get. I had Hankook on the day i picked up my model3 and I enjoyed them a lot. My old hankook tires were definitely quieter and gripped the road much better. I road them almost bold because I loved them so much. Hopefully these ion tires can match it.
In my experience of driving all kinds of ice cars then 3 Teslas I've looked for tire ware but have not yet noticed any difference other than less ware than some of the ice cars.
You're the only one
I chew thru mine about the same pace I did on my ICE vehicle before.
Can't understand this. I barely got 18K on my first set. I don't even floor it that much. Maybe I'm accelerating harder than I think.
Any thoughts and/or comparisons with the Sailun Erange EV tires? They're offered at a local shop near me with 50K warranty.
The Hankook Evo are great tires. I only use these tires on my EV’s since I’ve had such a positive experience with them. If you ever see a set on sale at one of your local tire shops on a holiday or something, or just want a great tire, you might give these a try.
Smaller wheels, cheaper tires, if you don't need to be cool like everyone else. There's no way around the cost of window washer fluid and air fresheners.
Are these tires available at discount or Costco?
I did not have to replace my tires once in my MS. I replaced my car with less than 20K miles in 4 years with a new refreshed MS! This strategy works if you put fewer miles on your car.
I have these tires too on my Model 3. I got 23k out of the original tires and drive more in chill mode now so hoping for more lasting tires this time.
I’m coming up on 42,000 miles on the original tires on my Tesla model Y long range and will probably get 50k. Part of the equation has to do with how you drive. I also rotate them myself every approximately 8K
35,000 miles on my Model 3 tyres and they still have about 10,000 miles left, I keep the tyre pressure pretty high though between 42 - 45 PSI
I've had a Model Y for 3.5 years and got 50,000 miles on the original stock tires. I have the 19 inch whees and the tires last longer than the larger wheels even though I do plenty of quick acceleration.
Your videos are amazing ❤❤
Thank you so much 😀
@@ItsKimJava You are most welcome ☺
My M3P weights 4050# vs over 5000# for C63 amg. It's pretty light.
Hard rubber last the longest. This means higher mileage stated for that brand. The down side is they aren’t very sticky and you have to adapt to them. Rain can be tricky as well.😊
Nice Kim. I have a Model X and researching the next set. I also saw some freaky airless tires that supposed to last 2x3 times longer
Will be giving these a try when the stock Continentals need replacement.
Must say my factory fitted Hankooks are looking at going 70000km (43000 miles) on our Model 3 LR.
Also even wear with regular rotations..
Will definitely look at the ions next time
i just switched from michelin CC2 to this tires. so far, it’s far quieter than the CC2. also the cc2 didn’t fit the correctly. left a gap between the bead and the rims that’s very noticeable
What about RWD Tesla MODEL 3s, and how do they compare to Michelin Cross Climate II All Weather tires?
I have a BMW m3 e92 and I change the back tyres every 15000km
So, how much are they in the 19" MY size?
I did get around 100.000 km on my winter tires goodyear ultragrip performance +.
And easy 50-60.000km on Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S..
We have the Hankook iON evo AS SUV on our 2022 Model Y. So far I am happy with them. They are not as sticky as the Michelin Sport AS tires that I had on there, but those wore out in a year and had something like 25K miles. I feel like these Hankook tires work well and use a bit less energy. The part about EV's being much heavier isn't correct though. I think they gave you incorrect data. I think it is the torque that makes tires wear out quicker on EV's. Google says a 2024 Model Y curb weight is listed as 4,154 to 4,398 lbs, our 2024 Atlas Cross Sport is listed as 4,173 to 4,359 lbs, our 2012 Odyssey is listed as 4,337 to 4,560 lbs and our 2005 Yukon is 4,975 to 5,543 lbs, but is a larger vehicle. Our 2022 Model Y is listed at 4,386 lbs.
Thank you for all of your content!
Do they also make a similar winter tire or 4 season tire?
Yes I believe so
I must have missed where these are cheaper than normal? Or how this reduces the expense?
I'm running Michelin Pilot Sport 5 and Pirelli Sottozero 3 rn in my Model 3,great tyres, but I want to try out the new Hankook iONs when my tyres are done for apparently consumption goes down by up to 10% with these, wamna see that for myself, currently at 160Wh/km ~260wh/mile, when I drive highway at around 120kph/75mph with 69 kWh remaining capacity, so 10% would make a noticeable difference.
Yes, 'tis true: tires are expensive, and inevitably need replacing. The were not the most costly out-of-pocket expense with my previous Model 3, however. That was the repair bill to replace the PCS in the HV Battery Service Panel -which Tesla refuses to cover under its HV Battery Warranty. Tsk. What you shared about Hankook is helpful, and maybe I'll consider them when my new EV's tires wear thin.
Nice FUD anecdote.
@@garethrobinson2275 Not FUD, just the reality with my previous Model 3 -and with many others. Check the forums if you doubt it.
@@Yanquetino Still FUD, thanks for your 'evidence'.
@@garethrobinson2275 Thanks for your 'evidence' that it's FUD.
@Yanquetino The onus to provide evidence is on the FUD spreader.
A jam packed video in less than five minutes!
I ❤♥❤ your longer videos, but this is AWES💣ME!
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
Really great video and good info, however there ''where to buy '' location link from Hankook, reveals you can't buy the tire on the West Coast directly,
so now, it's a matter of worrying if someplace local to your specific location, is competent to know if these tires are a match for your specific make and model car ?
Why is there no ''matching make and model '' search engine on the Hankook website, for example to know if your
2019 Chevy Bolt or your
2022 Kia NIRO EV are compatible ?
Thank for the comment and letting us know. I’ll share the info with my contact at Hankook!
😢 I JUST replaced mine on 6/29… dang. I’ll remember these tires on the next round. I actually like hankook, I had them on my BMW X5.
Very professional and informative video! Do we call you Lead foot Java(s) now? I think it would be good to point out in future tire videos that driver behavior (no names mentioned) does play a huge role in tire wear! I have a 2018 model 3 and have squeezed almost 80,000 miles out of the front two tires and got about 60,000 miles from the rear. Needless to say I’m definitely not as fun as the Javas though! I think everything you say is true, however I’d argue that the main cause of increased tire wear in EVs in general is due to the super fun nature of the driving experience unleashing our inner Andretti’s and thus frequent pit stop tire changes ensue…. Wouldn’t the same be true of a high performance gas car?
I don't drive my Tesla model 3 long range like I'm on a race track. I have 32k miles on my original tires. I think I have about 10k miles to go.
Is the hankook worths $40-60 each more than other tires ? $240 more for a set . I'm personally interested and had plan on swapping out to these. I'm currently at 6/32 @38k . Unsure if I can justify the increase for minimal increase
Unfortunately 17" rim size is not a supported size, for my Chevy Volt
I owned a 2015 Chrysler 200C with Hankook Tires. With fewer than 28000 miles, three of the four tires were defective showing belt/ply separation. I will always avoid this brand of tire since I never experienced this on any of the 30+ cars I've owned.
GREAT VIDEO !
do they make them for the cybertruck?😅
Hankook, we know this is a Tesla. That blurring is hilariously unnecessary.
I buy the cheapest tires that will fit my model 3 lr 2021 ($80) I can buy 2 or more of these compared to $250 or more for the EV tires. The $80 are a little noisier, last 25k miles.
Just ordered a set of 4 via Tire Rack for just under $1100 delivered to my local shop. TR would do the full install for about $200, but I rather go with my local garage. "Free" Road Hazzard but we will see what that actually gets.
Another good tip: drive in chill mode and tire chewing problem solved
My 2020 M3 LR had 35K miles on it with at least 5K left when I traded it for my 2023 MY LR. My solution: slow down for the curves! You can always catch up on the straitaways!
Are these tires made specifically for Telsa vehicles? What about Rivian? Would these work for them?
Specific to EVs and its needs. Works for Rivian or any other EV.
@@ItsKimJava Sweet thank you!
Maybe try a set of Michelins and do a comparison.
A rough rule of thumb averaged across Teslas is that tires cost approx. half as much as energy, even accounting for 20% greater wear over comparable ICE car tires.
240 wh/mile at $0.25 per KwH is 6 cents a mile.
Assuming 1000 for a set of 4 tires installed and balanced that last 33000 miles is 3 cents a mile.
You can save by shopping on line and avoiding Stealerships and tire stores.
Ouch that KwH coat is harsh. We are seeing about half of that here. We do have an older MX so we don't quite see that level of efficiency (320 KwH mer mile unless it's really cold out) but we still get around 7-9 cents per mile on average.
The best place for tires is Costco
Insurance on Tesla’s are ridiculously high compared to the other EV’s
While there may be some true information here, the real reason teslas go through tires is poor alignment. Air suspension on model s and x changes the alignment as it goes up and down. My model 3 performance tires lasted 50k simply because I kept the camber in check. You don't need any fancy tires.
Must be driving like a Pussycat...44k and tread still available. Maybe a late fall replacement at 50k. I hate the foam...most tire places won't patch if they get flat in my area.
Will they work on my tow truck.
Lexani LX-Twenty $404 for 4 tires work just fine on my model Y
3:39 Torque make car fun!! *goes right over the curb*
1,000th like. Will keep these in mind. Thanks Kim and team!!
Tires are expensive for many high powered sports cars for the same reasons. Lead foot. 😂
Hankook Ion EVOs are the way to go! quieter and smoother
Seriously why do tesla owners all parot the lie that teslas weigh more than ice cars. Please check the curb weight of trailblazer or even hyundai santa fe. They are the same dam weight!
20-25K for stock tires is nothing new. Before getting my 2 EVs, my past 5 cars were ICE models and purchased new…the crap tires manufacturers used on these only lasted about 20K to 25K miles as well (these would not have been considered economy level cars either). Even expensive replacement tires do not last as long as ones made 10-15+ years ago. TBH, some of this is because people unwisely desire (and car manufacturers push your towards) bigger wheels. Not only are you sacrificing ride quality and noise reduction, but more direct lateral and inertial force while driving stresses and weakens the tire compounds (poor road surfaces or bad inflation habits don’t help either).
450 a tire smh, I just got a nail in my new 2024 model y AWD
Love your posts. Theyre so informative and fun. Hate to sound mean, but driving over your curb as on 3:44 probably isn't going to help the uneven wear situation either😂
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