So I actually just finished testing and lubing a whole set. If you want to get rid of the high pitched clack, heres a few things. Thick lube like Krytox 205g0, but make sure to also put some on the top housing, where the stem hits the top housing. This absolutely helped tone down the switch and make it more thocky. Also - if you're a heavy typist who prefers thock, this might not be for you. When i really hit the keys hard, the pitch is clacky, but when i type normally or softly, it sound deep.
Your way of switching positions to account for different sound in different positions are amazing, keep it up! Your content and insight is already amazing, thanks for doing this for us all
Thanks for the in-depth review. I've recently gotten into the keyboard rabbit hole out of nowhere a few days ago and I'm thoroughly enjoying watching your videos and learning :) keep it up
I loved the smoothness and springs of this switch but hated the sound so I did some swapping and made two great switches. I threw the CJ stems into an Ink V2 housings which was super smooth and sounded great, and then put Durock POM stems (sold by themselves from Prevail) into the stemless CJ's which gave them a much better sound signature.
These sounds mighty fine and might have to check them out. My favorite switch of all is still the aqua kings, but if I find anything better than that, then it's a celebration.
Hey Scott, thanks for the heads-up on these switches. My gf doesn't let me use anything other than silent liners, but some of these are definitely going in my day-board. Great sound. I always appreciate your stem wobble and chart comparisons.
You're absolutely welcome Dinno! They are great switches even stock! The lube doesn't make them necessarily smoother, but it does help change the sound profile! These are just so smooth stock... With no lube at all on it... It's crazy
bro you are my savior!!!!! i randomly clicked on your video when it had the titel (better than inks) man the gateron CJ are the switches im getting for myself 100%
I was originally planning to use the new box ink blacks for my upcoming mr suit build, but this review has convinced me to give these new CJs a shot. Great in-depth analysis! :)
I was so confused between the Box Black Inks and the CJs for the QK75. This video pushed me towards the CJs. Thanks so much Scott for this in-depth review.
Honestly, I went into this thinking... Another linear switch. How different can these be really? Then I pressed the first one and thought... What... Why are these so smooth? They're really good switches for sure!
I’m going insane thinking about what switches I should get for my keyboard…I wanted creams because I’m willing to break them in, and I like the sound. The Giant V5s and Durock POM switches were also what I was looking for. I think I’m going to get these though. Great video!
Idk if you bought them yet or not, but go with the CJ's 100%. Lubed CJ's (without needing to break them in) sound deeper than my broken in, filmed, and lubed creams.
Hahaha I thought of it for a second... Then I thought def not haha. Found a soundboard. He surprisingly has a lot of random phrases he's said in game apparently
Damn Scott. You hella got me with the Diablo skit!! But better than inks?! Those some fighting words...haha. But I'm excited to watch this video. You'd be the one to change my mind.
Very interesting! I just checked ThereminGoat's ratings, and he gave the CJs a 73. I believe he does all the reviews stock, and I was surprised based on your video that the CJ didn't score a bit better out of the box given how dependent some other switches are on lube/film. (for comparison, the Alpaca V2 = 87, Everglide V3=86, and both box ink black/pink =76, and the budget king Gat yellow (KS-8) he gave 72) Just really goes to show how much of the hobby is personal preference.
Yeah a lot of personal preference in this hobby for sure! Like for example, sound is so subjective and if you prefer deep vs clacky etc. I'll have to check out his review also!
I guess the Alpacas are highly rated because of their consistent performance across various boards, I tried the CJ on an IRON165 and Volcano660 it almost sounds like a silent switch.. When I tried it on the kbd67 lite it sounded, very muted compared to the ink blacks. When I tried it on an Alpine65, the CJs sound good. it's kinda overly 'board dependent' imo
Yoooo I shop at Divinikey too! I love that they're super nice and chill! Had a problem with one of my orders and they came to the rescue! From SoCal to Vegas, super quick! But man, I'd love to get my hands on a set of these CJ switches! Oh, blue is my favorite color too hahahaha!
:) They are great for sure. I ended up using them a lot because it was consistently a good experience. Glad to be working with them more on the professional level as well!
by far my biggest internal qustion after trying cjs myself is what if one were to use their housings with cherry silent stems to make the smoothest silent switches
Scott you were right, I don't know how your testing is so accurate but it is. I just go the tangerines to see how they compared to my CJ's and gatto say the CJ is way better.
In my opinion, the two switch tests need to be back to back with one another in order to really be able to tell a difference. For me, hearing two switches of A, then one switch of B followed by two switches of B has too much variance in-between in order for my ear to really compare them. Does that make sense?
Just got one of these from a switch sample pack and I really like it! Durock POMs were my favorite linear for a while, but since these are cheaper I might give these a try as well. Will most likely just use em stock or maybe lube the spring if needed
I'm very new to this hobby (only having started this summer) and I started off with a board that has the OG NK Creams even though I've heard a lot of questionable things about them. I love the look of the creams more than any other switch IMHO. I did realize that it did feel a bit scratchy, even with lube and me being a newcomer to the hobby, but after a while the breaking in process really did a lot (they're super smooth). It's been about half a year and they're amazing and I was thinking of trying other switches and was planning on getting the box inks but now I think I might use these new CJ switches in my 2nd build. Thanks for the amazing review.
Thank you so much for the support! Glad to hear that you're enjoying the hobby! The keyboard rabbit hole is deep and wide! Don't get lost in it too much!
I have CJ and Epsilons...so smoooove Update: Gateron CJs have become my favorite. They're quite loud compared to Red Jackets, Tangerines, Gat Oil Kings, Epsilons, and Gat Milky Yellow. It's also high pitched, but not plastic/hollow sounding like the Tangerines or Gat Browns. Epsilons are annoying with their ticking when the keycap is struck on the edges so that the stem is possibly ticking against the top housing. They're smooth and lower pitched, not as loud as the Gat CJs. I like the pitch and loudness of the Gat CJs.
@@Keybored great to hear! Im excited. I plan to use them stock for that insane smoothness u showed off. ( also highkey lazy and will be a nice break not having to lube some switches ) also since I saw and heard from other videos it doesn’t retain that insane stock smoothness if u open it ☹️
Sir, how did you lube your CJ switches? Is it the same as the tutorial you made on how to lube linear switches? I also bought CJ switches because of your nice review of Gateron CJ.
Thanks for the great video! Love the Deckard Cain intro! Makes me reminisce about my D2 days.... How are these so smooth stock? Are they pre-lubed? You definitely made me curious to see if they will dethrone my favorite linears: the Everglide Aqua Kings. I've also seen some reviews on the Prevail Epsilons that seem pretty amazing too. Are we really living in a world where you no longer need to lube linear switches??
Haha, yeah I started playing a bit of the remastered, so I was quickly thrown back into this throw-back. The crazy thing about the CJs is that they come bone dry. No lube at all, and they are still crazy smooth. Not sure how it's done since I figured POM/POM interaction will be leathery like the NK creams, but not here. Lubing doesn't increase the smoothness too much more, rather it makes the switch deeper instead! I ordered some new aqua kings to check out and compare! I tried one of the earlier aqua kings and they had the worst application of lube unfortunately
@@Keybored Definitely looking forward to your review of the new Aqua Kings. I got mine a couple months ago and have had 0 issues with them. It seems no reviewers has gone to try them again after the initial issues with them sticking but all of the 80 switches I got worked perfectly so hopefully this means they've got everything figured out. Also, really love the 2 keys sound test. It's much more helpful to get an idea of the sound of the switch. I opted NOT to play remastered because it will just be a huge time vacuum... Time that I do not have hahaha.
I know right... I see so many new switches now that I go through a bunch and shove them into a drawer. Only the ones that I found interesting I make reviews on honestly
The CJ switches sound like an amazing option. I'm excited to try them out. Is there a difference between the CJ Box and the regular? Also, would you have any recommendations for a silent switch that has about the weight and feel of a Gateron Pro Yellow (factory lubed)? I'm finding the Cherry MX Silent Reds are a bit too light. I'm looking into the Alpaca Silent, but availability on that switch is very hit and miss. I love how in-depth and organized all your videos are, and the cute skits, too! Thank you for the informative content you provide us viewers! :)
I've seen another video where they claim that opening these switches and re-assembling them together changes the overall feel of the switch and makes it not as smooth as it was as stock- would you believe this to be true with your experience with this switch? (these switches are on the way for me and are not in hand but I feel that opening them and lubing them with 205g0 would be making them smooth anyways and those previous claims would be false, but who knows will definitely find out!)
@@FallenKat damn, after opening and lubing it still feels scratchier than stock? thats tough.. I might try lubing one switch and comparing them when I get mine in soon (think tomorrow!!)
I just finished lubing a set but I haven't experienced what you're talking about. I'm guessing if the housing was slightly damaged during disassembly/assembly process, it could happen but if you have a proper switch opener and is careful, it shouldn't happen to you. I think lubing it did make it ever so slightly smoother but it definitely improved the sound.
Hmmm... I don't know how that will happen honestly. If you look at the mechanics of the switch, most of the "sliding" happens between the lower housing sliders and the stem, so regardless of the top being removed, it wouldn't make it any less smoother. I opened all of mine up and have no issues!
@@Keybored I agree, I opened my switches and felt that there wasnt anything to worry about reduced smoothness with or without lubing (they sound amazing in the mr suit as well)
One thing I really like about the new gateron switches? The spring weight… the gateron CJ and gateron X are both really nice weight! Also yes they are really smooth and good! I liked mine so much I kept one set stock and have a second that is lubed and filmed 🥰🥰🔥🔥😋😋
I’m doing a mechanical keyboard build, and thinking what switches I should use, would you reccommend Akko yellow cream v3 or china joys, (I’m willing to lube them)
I wish there was a tactile version of these, they sound so good! They wouldn't be as smooth but 90% of this smoothness is probably a mile ahead of tactiles available.
Do they "glide" like tangerines do? Tangerines stock are very smooth and have that nice glidey feel where they don't have any real feeling of friction or scratchy - lubing them with any kind of grease removes that special feeling by slowing them down a bit. Generally that's a sacrifice that's worth making because that greasy feeling is what smooths out the scratchiness , but for Tangerines, I feel that it makes them worse. Do these CJ switches have this glidey feeling stock, are they nice to use with a light oil lube only?
These feel absolutely glidy actually. I know exactly what you're talking about, since I felt like the stock CJs actually felt smoother than with lube. However, the lube helps to bring the sound down to make it deeper, so I was good with that. But if you like tangies, these will be right up your alley! These feel literally like deeper tangies
They have even more stability, especially when bottoming out. The long springs provide stronger rebouncing force like the ttc gold pinks, and the long stems function just like the nk cream and Durock pom's, more condensed typing experinece and bottoming out pitch. Defenitly worth trying out imo.
I heard that opening them removed the polish and gets the switch less smooth unless you substitute with a lubricant. In that case, do you think it is worth it to lubricate these?
Just got mine in today and I didn't experience anything weird after opening them. After lubing there's no difference in smoothness because at stock these switches are immaculate. Only lube for a slightly cleaner and deeper sound.
I don't quite understand where that came from honestly. The polish is actually when they polished the plastic surface to make it smoother, vs. putting something on there. So there is no risk of making the switch be less smooth by opening them :) Open away!
I made Creamerons previously and although they were cool, I preferred the black inks overall still. This sounds like it improved on that frankenswitch. Dang too bad too, I had a bunch of black inks left over so I used them for my Mode Sixtyfive but after watching this I kind of want to switch to the CJ's.
there is a box version of the CJ what do you think is better? i think the box one have the ink V3 top housing (+ shorter travel and should be working with cheery keycaps on north facing LED)
imagine this getting popular, like gat yellow/black popular then they improve it further. there might come a day where we won't need switch films anymore because every switch is so smooth out of the box.
I already have the Oil Kings L+F. Still deciding which switch to get for my gmmk pro with a pom plate. Would you pick these over the new ink black v2 as well? They're about the same price here in locally
Do the CJ's have problems with keycaps in the north facing position? I remember from your Box Ink review, that they don't have any interferences. How do the CJ compare here?
Was going to buy tangies but you convinced me I need to try these. They look alot like the akko cs ocean blue switch just on the appearance was my first impression
yes sirr!! i really agree with u 💪🏻 if u want to hear my simple cj review kindly check out my youtube channel. thank you so much keybored for the inspiration 😍
Hey man, this switch review is pretty good! I really am interested in this switch, especially how it would feel if I lube it myself vs. stock form. I have a quick question: how would you rate this switch vs. the new Gateron X polished switches?
From what I saw, the X switches are just polished versions of the original yellows. I remember seeing the other reviewers saying that it's smooth, but Tangerines are actually smoother. In that situation, these CJs will blow those out of the water, since CJs are smoother than tangerines.
@@Keybored Thanks! I’ll see if I can grab some then! Oh, and quick side question if you don’t mind: would you recommend lubing and filming the TTC Gold Pinks or just run them stock? I have some but I find them actually kinda scratchy myself… though they’re pretty decent stock compared to most common MX switches.
@@matasa7463 apparently if you open it and close a Gateron CJ, for some reason it doesn't become as smooth, and you have to lube it to get back the smoothness. I guess only lube your CJ's if you prefer to the lubed switch sound. The lube apparently won't make the switches more smooth than it already is since the stem rails are polished. Watch the below video for reference: th-cam.com/video/a5Y6sVxZGdM/w-d-xo.html
I'm curious on where I can get that switch holder that you showed of 1:01 I've been meaning to get something a little nicer for the extra sets of switches that I'm not using in my current board. Those CJ's look interesting and I might need to look into getting them for a future build.
I wanna get this for my keychron q1, rn I have the browns that comes lubed from keychron. Are these an improvement if I use them stock, I m kinda new into this hobby.
Great video as always Keybored! I remember seeing another review of the Gateron CJ switches a little while back and the reviewer said that the switches were not as smooth after opening the switch. Did you experience this at all?
@@Keybored Thanks for the response. I also thought it was a strange phenomenon. If you ever want to look more into it, this was the review that I saw. th-cam.com/video/a5Y6sVxZGdM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BontaBoards
Damn i love this guy’s videos
It’s the quality that makes me watch his videos
:) Thank you so much! I appreciate the support!
So I actually just finished testing and lubing a whole set. If you want to get rid of the high pitched clack, heres a few things. Thick lube like Krytox 205g0, but make sure to also put some on the top housing, where the stem hits the top housing. This absolutely helped tone down the switch and make it more thocky. Also - if you're a heavy typist who prefers thock, this might not be for you. When i really hit the keys hard, the pitch is clacky, but when i type normally or softly, it sound deep.
Great advice! I noticed this about the new box inks as well! Must be something to do with its new housing
Thanks for the tips, I personally really like more highpictched sounding switches so I think I’ll love these
What do you recommend for heavy typists, i was about to build your kbd thoccy build and then came across this comment.
@@Visual_Ghoul Sure! taciles or linears?
@@coleydotmp4 I want to build tactiles for work, and linears for gaming, thanks for replying.
Your way of switching positions to account for different sound in different positions are amazing, keep it up! Your content and insight is already amazing, thanks for doing this for us all
:) Thank you and I really appreciate it!
5:52 CJ
6:01 Black ink
6:11 C3 Tangerine
6:22 Durock POM
6:33 NK Cream
6:44 TTC
6:54 ALL
Thanks for the in-depth review. I've recently gotten into the keyboard rabbit hole out of nowhere a few days ago and I'm thoroughly enjoying watching your videos and learning :) keep it up
:) good to hear that! Welcome!
I loved the smoothness and springs of this switch but hated the sound so I did some swapping and made two great switches. I threw the CJ stems into an Ink V2 housings which was super smooth and sounded great, and then put Durock POM stems (sold by themselves from Prevail) into the stemless CJ's which gave them a much better sound signature.
can you share soundtest of both the switches you're talking about
Does it make the ink v2 clackier or louder?
@@nt4608 It sounds the same. The stems are both POM with regular sized poles.
@@_fatalruin Can you have a sound test?
no thanks, i dont have extra bucks for ink v2 and durock pom stems
These sounds mighty fine and might have to check them out. My favorite switch of all is still the aqua kings, but if I find anything better than that, then it's a celebration.
I never thought I'd find a switch smoother than Tangies! But here we are, haha
It’s hard to beat the inks! Must be the best feeling and sounding switch yet!
Only thing the Inks have on these now are being slightly deeper, but these will beat everything else in strides!
I’ve yet to try inks 😭
@@leo-ub6nb overhyped. they're okay
@@browntubes capper. Box Black inks are nearly perfect. Smooth, nice weighting, deep sound.
@@browntubes Depends what you're looking for really. For a deeper sound they're a great choice. For smoothness and value it's easily beaten by JWKs.
Hey Scott, thanks for the heads-up on these switches. My gf doesn't let me use anything other than silent liners, but some of these are definitely going in my day-board. Great sound. I always appreciate your stem wobble and chart comparisons.
:) glad to be of help!
i'd break up with her but that's just me
Sounds like a girlfriend problem imo could probably use some lubing and films. 🤷
Time for it to end, then. That is not even how FRIENDS should act, let alone a romantic partner!
@@stressd4842 ye lol
I might have to pick some of these up! Thanks for the review. Quality video, as always.
You're absolutely welcome Dinno! They are great switches even stock! The lube doesn't make them necessarily smoother, but it does help change the sound profile! These are just so smooth stock... With no lube at all on it... It's crazy
"You have quite a treassure there in that Horadric Cube!" Wow, now THAT'S a flashback if I ever heard one!
Scott, I bought the pink black inks last video, and now you're making me want to buy these. I can't LOL you're draining me dry fam.
Haha, sorry! I do the same thing to myself lol. I have way way too many switches bursting out of drawers right now haha
bro you are my savior!!!!! i randomly clicked on your video when it had the titel (better than inks) man the gateron CJ are the switches im getting for myself 100%
They're great switches! I really enjoy using them and the others I have spoken to about them all comment how clean they type!
I was originally planning to use the new box ink blacks for my upcoming mr suit build, but this review has convinced me to give these new CJs a shot. Great in-depth analysis! :)
Thank you so much for the support! The CJs are great switches, and just so smooth. Lube them and they get deeper, keep them stock if you like clack!
@@Keybored I'll definitely lube them, I wouldn't dare put stock switches into a Mr Suit :D
Great content as always. Thanks for continuing to upload quality reviews.
You're very welcome! Thank you for the support and the sub!
Plot Twist: Keybored is playing osu in his sound test
LOL
He’s crazy good at the one taps
Guess I found my next switch! Thanks for the review!
Was looking at these just the other day to be my first linear experience. Thanks for the review.
You're very welcome!
I was so confused between the Box Black Inks and the CJs for the QK75. This video pushed me towards the CJs. Thanks so much Scott for this in-depth review.
Ive been wanting a video like this on these for a while. I’ll be picking some of these up for sure
Honestly, I went into this thinking... Another linear switch. How different can these be really? Then I pressed the first one and thought... What... Why are these so smooth? They're really good switches for sure!
I love that wall of switch container at 1:03, this is such a good idea that I'm going to steal it hahaha
Haha it's the ikea skadis!
@@Keybored thank you! :D
The intro made me sub to you, you deserve it
Haha, thank you! Can't go wrong with Diablo II!
Y'know, I think it's about time we see a new personal build video with these new favorite switches of yours!
:) Will do! I believe Q1 I'll be doing something for myself :)
I like your switch reviews better than any other creator in this hobby keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! Really appreciate the support and your comments! Will keep making content around it!
Fellow Diablo OG! Loved the Deckard Cain bit, it was very creative of you
:) glad you liked it!
I’m going insane thinking about what switches I should get for my keyboard…I wanted creams because I’m willing to break them in, and I like the sound. The Giant V5s and Durock POM switches were also what I was looking for. I think I’m going to get these though. Great video!
These are excellent!
these are really nice but out of stock atm. If you are ok w no rgb Tropical switches are very good and on sale at bolsa FYI
Idk if you bought them yet or not, but go with the CJ's 100%. Lubed CJ's (without needing to break them in) sound deeper than my broken in, filmed, and lubed creams.
Just do like me and get 3 boards. Fixed :)
@@thefunki6516 *13
I originally thought that was you trying to sound like Deckard LOLOL! Nicely done cous!
Hahaha I thought of it for a second... Then I thought def not haha. Found a soundboard. He surprisingly has a lot of random phrases he's said in game apparently
Damn Scott. You hella got me with the Diablo skit!! But better than inks?! Those some fighting words...haha. But I'm excited to watch this video. You'd be the one to change my mind.
Haha, I love inks too! But for me, these just feel more refined :) And Diablo is the best!
Very interesting! I just checked ThereminGoat's ratings, and he gave the CJs a 73. I believe he does all the reviews stock, and I was surprised based on your video that the CJ didn't score a bit better out of the box given how dependent some other switches are on lube/film.
(for comparison, the Alpaca V2 = 87, Everglide V3=86, and both box ink black/pink =76, and the budget king Gat yellow (KS-8) he gave 72)
Just really goes to show how much of the hobby is personal preference.
Yeah a lot of personal preference in this hobby for sure! Like for example, sound is so subjective and if you prefer deep vs clacky etc. I'll have to check out his review also!
I guess the Alpacas are highly rated because of their consistent performance across various boards, I tried the CJ on an IRON165 and Volcano660 it almost sounds like a silent switch..
When I tried it on the kbd67 lite it sounded, very muted compared to the ink blacks.
When I tried it on an Alpine65, the CJs sound good.
it's kinda overly 'board dependent' imo
Yoooo I shop at Divinikey too! I love that they're super nice and chill! Had a problem with one of my orders and they came to the rescue! From SoCal to Vegas, super quick! But man, I'd love to get my hands on a set of these CJ switches! Oh, blue is my favorite color too hahahaha!
:) They are great for sure. I ended up using them a lot because it was consistently a good experience. Glad to be working with them more on the professional level as well!
Well done. I picked up some CJs a week ago. Looking forward to getting them in a build.
Hope it turns out great!
by far my biggest internal qustion after trying cjs myself is what if one were to use their housings with cherry silent stems to make the smoothest silent switches
Scott you were right, I don't know how your testing is so accurate but it is. I just go the tangerines to see how they compared to my CJ's and gatto say the CJ is way better.
Thank you for this review. Ever using trying banana splits I am no longer able to go back to non-smooth switches. I have to try these out now!
Yup! Once you try something smooth, it's really hard to go back to something that is not... just feels weird.
Adding alternating keystrokes is a good thing. Thank you.
You're very welcome! Glad it was helpful!
I bought black ink v2's for my first build yesterday and now I find this. i am going to cry myself to sleep lol.
:) They are somewhat different, especially in sound, so if you like the inks, you're good!
@Keybored Yeah the inks came I'm yesterday and I absolutely love them. Thanks for the reply
In my opinion, the two switch tests need to be back to back with one another in order to really be able to tell a difference. For me, hearing two switches of A, then one switch of B followed by two switches of B has too much variance in-between in order for my ear to really compare them. Does that make sense?
Thank you for the suggestion! I get what you're saying :)
Just got one of these from a switch sample pack and I really like it! Durock POMs were my favorite linear for a while, but since these are cheaper I might give these a try as well. Will most likely just use em stock or maybe lube the spring if needed
I'm very new to this hobby (only having started this summer) and I started off with a board that has the OG NK Creams even though I've heard a lot of questionable things about them. I love the look of the creams more than any other switch IMHO. I did realize that it did feel a bit scratchy, even with lube and me being a newcomer to the hobby, but after a while the breaking in process really did a lot (they're super smooth). It's been about half a year and they're amazing and I was thinking of trying other switches and was planning on getting the box inks but now I think I might use these new CJ switches in my 2nd build. Thanks for the amazing review.
Thank you so much for the support! Glad to hear that you're enjoying the hobby! The keyboard rabbit hole is deep and wide! Don't get lost in it too much!
Great video Scott. Thankyou
I have CJ and Epsilons...so smoooove
Update:
Gateron CJs have become my favorite. They're quite loud compared to Red Jackets, Tangerines, Gat Oil Kings, Epsilons, and Gat Milky Yellow. It's also high pitched, but not plastic/hollow sounding like the Tangerines or Gat Browns.
Epsilons are annoying with their ticking when the keycap is struck on the edges so that the stem is possibly ticking against the top housing. They're smooth and lower pitched, not as loud as the Gat CJs.
I like the pitch and loudness of the Gat CJs.
smoooooooth!
Love the d2 reference :)
That's pretty cool, never tried these myself!
:) They're apparently very new! Gateron launched these late September?
this video convinced me to get some !!!! shoutout ashkeebs for end of the year sale and having them in stock
Hope they work out well for you! Most I have spoken to really like them like myself
@@Keybored great to hear! Im excited. I plan to use them stock for that insane smoothness u showed off. ( also highkey lazy and will be a nice break not having to lube some switches ) also since I saw and heard from other videos it doesn’t retain that insane stock smoothness if u open it ☹️
OMG DECKARD CAIN!!! the memories XD
Yoo was waiting this rewive since you could out these on discord banger revive
:) Hope the review is helpful!
Could you make a video about switches that don’t need to be in a south facing configuration when using cherry profile keycaps?
There are many new switches that work in north facing with Cherry! Gateron yellow SMD, most long pole stem switches, the Box Inks, Akko switches, etc!
Sir, how did you lube your CJ switches? Is it the same as the tutorial you made on how to lube linear switches? I also bought CJ switches because of your nice review of Gateron CJ.
Yup! I lube them the same way with Krytox 205!
@@Keybored thank you sir❤️
Great video keep it up!
Thank you Edison!
Damn! Gateron going all out!
They've been killing it!
Didn’t take you as a D2 player. What a legend
:) I used to play too much D2!
@@Keybored Have you played any of the D2R yet? Or have you not touched the game since ages ago?
Blacks are still a winner for me... CJ's feel a bit better but the lower acoustics with a tiny bit of scratch is actually more pleasing to me.
:) All about that preference! No right or wrong!
Thanks for the great video! Love the Deckard Cain intro! Makes me reminisce about my D2 days....
How are these so smooth stock? Are they pre-lubed? You definitely made me curious to see if they will dethrone my favorite linears: the Everglide Aqua Kings. I've also seen some reviews on the Prevail Epsilons that seem pretty amazing too. Are we really living in a world where you no longer need to lube linear switches??
Haha, yeah I started playing a bit of the remastered, so I was quickly thrown back into this throw-back. The crazy thing about the CJs is that they come bone dry. No lube at all, and they are still crazy smooth. Not sure how it's done since I figured POM/POM interaction will be leathery like the NK creams, but not here. Lubing doesn't increase the smoothness too much more, rather it makes the switch deeper instead! I ordered some new aqua kings to check out and compare! I tried one of the earlier aqua kings and they had the worst application of lube unfortunately
@@Keybored Definitely looking forward to your review of the new Aqua Kings. I got mine a couple months ago and have had 0 issues with them. It seems no reviewers has gone to try them again after the initial issues with them sticking but all of the 80 switches I got worked perfectly so hopefully this means they've got everything figured out.
Also, really love the 2 keys sound test. It's much more helpful to get an idea of the sound of the switch.
I opted NOT to play remastered because it will just be a huge time vacuum... Time that I do not have hahaha.
@@Keybored Gateron polished the housing and stem they also did it with their new Gateron X switches
love that intro, amazing
Thank you so much! Diablo!
"Wait what is this? Is this a new switch?" ~me every week
I know right... I see so many new switches now that I go through a bunch and shove them into a drawer. Only the ones that I found interesting I make reviews on honestly
That chart is great!
Thank you so much!
The CJ switches sound like an amazing option. I'm excited to try them out. Is there a difference between the CJ Box and the regular? Also, would you have any recommendations for a silent switch that has about the weight and feel of a Gateron Pro Yellow (factory lubed)? I'm finding the Cherry MX Silent Reds are a bit too light. I'm looking into the Alpaca Silent, but availability on that switch is very hit and miss. I love how in-depth and organized all your videos are, and the cute skits, too! Thank you for the informative content you provide us viewers! :)
I've seen another video where they claim that opening these switches and re-assembling them together changes the overall feel of the switch and makes it not as smooth as it was as stock- would you believe this to be true with your experience with this switch? (these switches are on the way for me and are not in hand but I feel that opening them and lubing them with 205g0 would be making them smooth anyways and those previous claims would be false, but who knows will definitely find out!)
This also happened to me, the Switch that I opened feels more scratchy then stock.
@@FallenKat damn, after opening and lubing it still feels scratchier than stock? thats tough.. I might try lubing one switch and comparing them when I get mine in soon (think tomorrow!!)
I just finished lubing a set but I haven't experienced what you're talking about. I'm guessing if the housing was slightly damaged during disassembly/assembly process, it could happen but if you have a proper switch opener and is careful, it shouldn't happen to you. I think lubing it did make it ever so slightly smoother but it definitely improved the sound.
Hmmm... I don't know how that will happen honestly. If you look at the mechanics of the switch, most of the "sliding" happens between the lower housing sliders and the stem, so regardless of the top being removed, it wouldn't make it any less smoother. I opened all of mine up and have no issues!
@@Keybored I agree, I opened my switches and felt that there wasnt anything to worry about reduced smoothness with or without lubing (they sound amazing in the mr suit as well)
One thing I really like about the new gateron switches? The spring weight… the gateron CJ and gateron X are both really nice weight!
Also yes they are really smooth and good! I liked mine so much I kept one set stock and have a second that is lubed and filmed 🥰🥰🔥🔥😋😋
Also your review was one of like 2 that instantly made me get these switches and not wait till they where sold out 🧐🧐🧐
:) glad it was helpful! I love my gateron CJs! They are so nice when lubed! Smooth and the sound!
wow these are really nice I was expecting them to sound really clicky like cherry MX blues
These are smooth smooth linears! I really do enjoy using these
Perfect ! Just copped 100 of these
I have too many of these already haha... Lubing switches give me nightmares
@@Keybored Aaaarg!! Dont remind me of me having to lube all of them
I’m doing a mechanical keyboard build, and thinking what switches I should use, would you reccommend Akko yellow cream v3 or china joys, (I’m willing to lube them)
CJ: ah shxt, here we go again
Here we go!
I just bought 7 packs of gateron cj today, they better be good
I like them :)
@@Keybored ok, still waiting for mine to arrive
Definitely think I heard a kid say “hi daddy” at about 7:05. ☺️
:)
The cobalt poms I have is so tight i had to remove the films for them to work properly. They are really super tight
Yeah, these new switches are soooo tight now that films are unnecessary. I tried to film these and it was actually crinkling up the film...
Speaking of box inks, I ordered nk mystery switches and got 90 kangaroo inks. I'm hyped.
:) congrats! great luck!
Do you recommend lubing and filming these? Or leave them stock? Was also wondering if they work with 0.3mm films. Great vid!
If you have the ability to, I would lube them.
I would lube them to lower the sound a bit, but I wouldn't film. I tried filming it with TX .125mm and it was too tight
This review was enough for me to buy those bad boys as Christmas gift.
:) Put them into a nice board and you're golden!
If you put your ear next to the speaker at the sound test it just sounds exactly like popcorn
Haha it does!
Hi, your switches look so well organized! Where did you get the Organizer from 1:00 from?
Ikea skadis!
LOVE the INTRO LOL
Finally found a use for that horadric cube!
HAIL TO YOU, CHAMPION
Such a great game!
I wish there was a tactile version of these, they sound so good! They wouldn't be as smooth but 90% of this smoothness is probably a mile ahead of tactiles available.
I know they have a box linear, I hope they consider the tactile as well! But I have their oil kings right now for testing... Gateron is killling it!
@@Keybored do you have any sort of timeline for the oil king review?
@@jacobstern4630 2 weeks!
@@Keybored great! I'll be waiting ;)
I noticed that there's also a box version of the switch, is that any different and worth lubing? o.o
You had me with Deckard Cain
He's the true hero
Do they "glide" like tangerines do? Tangerines stock are very smooth and have that nice glidey feel where they don't have any real feeling of friction or scratchy - lubing them with any kind of grease removes that special feeling by slowing them down a bit. Generally that's a sacrifice that's worth making because that greasy feeling is what smooths out the scratchiness , but for Tangerines, I feel that it makes them worse. Do these CJ switches have this glidey feeling stock, are they nice to use with a light oil lube only?
These feel absolutely glidy actually. I know exactly what you're talking about, since I felt like the stock CJs actually felt smoother than with lube. However, the lube helps to bring the sound down to make it deeper, so I was good with that. But if you like tangies, these will be right up your alley! These feel literally like deeper tangies
I wonder how the light blue and dark blue CJs compare since they're both the same price
There's also a box stem wall variant of CJ switches, they come with longer springs and stems.
They have even more stability, especially when bottoming out. The long springs provide stronger rebouncing force like the ttc gold pinks, and the long stems function just like the nk cream and Durock pom's, more condensed typing experinece and bottoming out pitch. Defenitly worth trying out imo.
That's great to know! Thanks for the information, I appreciate it!
yo hold up, are those pewters on the top right container on your wall? i am very proud right now.
I heard that opening them removed the polish and gets the switch less smooth unless you substitute with a lubricant. In that case, do you think it is worth it to lubricate these?
Just got mine in today and I didn't experience anything weird after opening them. After lubing there's no difference in smoothness because at stock these switches are immaculate. Only lube for a slightly cleaner and deeper sound.
@@TheOneNILO ok thanks
I don't quite understand where that came from honestly. The polish is actually when they polished the plastic surface to make it smoother, vs. putting something on there. So there is no risk of making the switch be less smooth by opening them :) Open away!
I made Creamerons previously and although they were cool, I preferred the black inks overall still. This sounds like it improved on that frankenswitch. Dang too bad too, I had a bunch of black inks left over so I used them for my Mode Sixtyfive but after watching this I kind of want to switch to the CJ's.
The CJs are great switches. They are such a clean feel switch :)
Kinda seems like you used different keycaps after seeing what happened to Shoobs' Z key on his 8008 set LOL
Haha yup!
What a review ! Btw thats one hell of a GREEN keybored ! Pls do share a link...Greeeeeeen is my fav !
Haha, it's the portico keyboard in terminal green! I posted the link in the description, check it out! :)
there is a box version of the CJ what do you think is better?
i think the box one have the ink V3 top housing (+ shorter travel and should be working with cheery keycaps on north facing LED)
these switches look great. have you tried these in the freebirdtkl?
imagine this getting popular, like gat yellow/black popular then they improve it further.
there might come a day where we won't need switch films anymore because every switch is so smooth out of the box.
I honestly think we're almost there! So many new switches I have tried are so nice out of the box! If they just used nicer lube, then it'll be set!
I already have the Oil Kings L+F. Still deciding which switch to get for my gmmk pro with a pom plate.
Would you pick these over the new ink black v2 as well? They're about the same price here in locally
Do the CJ's have problems with keycaps in the north facing position?
I remember from your Box Ink review, that they don't have any interferences. How do the CJ compare here?
The CJs have a standard stem, so they do have some interference with some cherry profile keycaps! The Box inks have a longer pole, so they are ok!
Was going to buy tangies but you convinced me I need to try these. They look alot like the akko cs ocean blue switch just on the appearance was my first impression
They are very very blue haha. But these are great switches and feel very refined
Yoooo CJs!!! Been thinking about these. Might actually consider buying them 🤔
The CJs are great! You won't regret it
i bought it because of this video.. and i'm not regretting my choice. it's better than tangies
It's so smooth and so clean! I really love how clean they feel
yes sirr!! i really agree with u 💪🏻 if u want to hear my simple cj review kindly check out my youtube channel. thank you so much keybored for the inspiration 😍
Hey man, this switch review is pretty good! I really am interested in this switch, especially how it would feel if I lube it myself vs. stock form.
I have a quick question: how would you rate this switch vs. the new Gateron X polished switches?
From what I saw, the X switches are just polished versions of the original yellows. I remember seeing the other reviewers saying that it's smooth, but Tangerines are actually smoother. In that situation, these CJs will blow those out of the water, since CJs are smoother than tangerines.
@@Keybored Thanks! I’ll see if I can grab some then!
Oh, and quick side question if you don’t mind: would you recommend lubing and filming the TTC Gold Pinks or just run them stock? I have some but I find them actually kinda scratchy myself… though they’re pretty decent stock compared to most common MX switches.
@@matasa7463 apparently if you open it and close a Gateron CJ, for some reason it doesn't become as smooth, and you have to lube it to get back the smoothness. I guess only lube your CJ's if you prefer to the lubed switch sound. The lube apparently won't make the switches more smooth than it already is since the stem rails are polished. Watch the below video for reference:
th-cam.com/video/a5Y6sVxZGdM/w-d-xo.html
whats the difference with this and the box CJ variant? which one is better for sound and feel?
I'm curious on where I can get that switch holder that you showed of 1:01 I've been meaning to get something a little nicer for the extra sets of switches that I'm not using in my current board. Those CJ's look interesting and I might need to look into getting them for a future build.
They're from Ikea! It's the Skadis board accessory!
I wanna get this for my keychron q1, rn I have the browns that comes lubed from keychron. Are these an improvement if I use them stock, I m kinda new into this hobby.
Great video as always Keybored! I remember seeing another review of the Gateron CJ switches a little while back and the reviewer said that the switches were not as smooth after opening the switch. Did you experience this at all?
That is odd. Opening the switches wouldn't change anything imo. I didn't experience that at all!
@@Keybored Thanks for the response. I also thought it was a strange phenomenon. If you ever want to look more into it, this was the review that I saw. th-cam.com/video/a5Y6sVxZGdM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BontaBoards
Smoother stock than lubed and filmed tangerines is 🤯
It's wild!
Pom is also known as acetal and delrin. Yes its smooth. Its a very low friction plastic
Very smooth indeed!
Hi, what are those containers you’re using?