I did think about that, but as we saw off that start in the last race upwind we sail more like a traditional dinghy upwind, kinda slow and high (it feels like a Tasar), and the bendy rig does most of the work, whereas the 29ers tended to sail low and fast with the crew working the main pretty hard like you would on a normal skiff. I noticed in the 59er boat review pics Julian was doing the main, and theres an article online that said there comes a point where you’re too overpowered to foot off and go quick, so to just take the height. Hopefully that explains my mainsheet hogging ways! 😉
Great to see Tom! Congrats on 1k subscribers! Sailing was cancelled at Sugarloaf on Sunday, but only got to 25kt gusts. Great work - a third place is awesome! Looking forward to the next one!
Downwind in these types of skiffs in breeze you want to sail wit a lot tighter main it will give you more depth when you've got the apparrent wind up. In 49ers we just keep the main all the way in. I would say keep it at about 25 cm between the blocks on the back of the boom.
When you were talking about hot dropping like an 18, ive found on spinnaker chute boats that pulling the spinnaker to windward regardless of what side the dropline is rigged on helps it come down effectively. Obviously on the 18 without a drop line you have to pull it to windward anyway
Interesting idea, so you’d basically dump the leeward sheet, then use the windward sheet to bring the clew around before dropping? Or just try and gybe drop whenever you can?
@@TomStuchberySailing-eg9vr yes, you dont have to have the clew around all the way before going ballistic on the drop line, but it definitely helps preventing the spinnaker from turning into giant mess at the forestay. Loving the skiff videos! I'm hoping to see more of them, although I am a bit biased
@@rogerdarbyshire5664 the knot between the patches works really well in my experience! If you are having issues with getting it around the forestay, pulling it to windward really helps
That’s a very interesting idea, we’ll need to try that next year! Don’t tempt me with the skiff videos, there’s a few cheap 12’s with nice trailers around at the moment!
GBR 092 here. I love my 59er, but struggle to find a crew who is light enough, but strong enough to get that kite down. I'm thinking of finding a quick helming youngster to steer, and I'll do the grunt work at the front end. Good to see I'm doing the right thing tacking it flat. Dipping the wings is dog slow. And yes, I do have a halyard takeaway ring at the spreaders, or you'd be asking for trouble. I'm really agin putting a trap on them- they weren't designed for it, and if you're that light that you need one, why aren't you in a 29er? Squeezing it upwind is really slow, they need to be kept free, in my experience.
Thanks Roger, it’s interesting you think you need a lighter crew, we were racing at 225kg and we thought we were quite competitive once the breeze came in! I agree about the trap, the bendy rig and flat sails just doesn’t feel like the rig on a skiff with trap. Also the shape of the gunnel and lack of toe rails to push off would make trapping tricky!
@@TomStuchberySailing-eg9vr Probably because I'm on a lighter to medium wind venue inland, and am an old powerlifter who probably needs to say goodbye to weighing 130 kg! BTW, if you run into a Simon Blake at Royal Brighton, say hello from me, we sailed a B14 together years back!
From what I’ve heard there’s probably 50 or so 59ers out there. I did see another one about 6 months ago, so I know of at least 2 still sailing! It’s a cool boat, just a bit strange without a trap.
Yeah, ours has the eye becket up near the hounds to take a trap, so it was there at some point. The rig is just super flat and bendy, and the bowsprit is like a twig, so I’m not sure there’s much benefit for us if we put the trap back on!
@@TomStuchberySailing-eg9vr I agree with you, as fun as a trap is, I think it was more of an option for lightweight crews to power up the boat properly. With the appropriate crew hiking this should be readily achievable I. The 59er as it's not nearly as powered up as a 49er and a wider more stable hull than the 29er.
59er is 99 on handicap, 505 is 97.5, 29er is 96.5 (based on the Australian system, lower number is faster, basically how minutes each boat should take to complete a 100 minute race).
Also youre far too modest Tom. That's equal second overall with a bullet to finish... Imagine how good the dimmies would have tasted if you'd made the start before.
If you put it like that I suppose it was equal second, but there weren’t many points between where we were and 7th, so it was very close, and we could have done a lot better if we did that 1st race on the Sunday and I didn’t stuff up 2/3rds of the starts!
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Really want to see more of the HSP videos! They were great, such a cool boat!!!
Don’t worry there’s a few ideas for that one in the pipeline 😉
Another tip, try crew on mainsheet instead of helm doing main when kite isnt up, majority of 2 man skiffs are sailed this way
I did think about that, but as we saw off that start in the last race upwind we sail more like a traditional dinghy upwind, kinda slow and high (it feels like a Tasar), and the bendy rig does most of the work, whereas the 29ers tended to sail low and fast with the crew working the main pretty hard like you would on a normal skiff. I noticed in the 59er boat review pics Julian was doing the main, and theres an article online that said there comes a point where you’re too overpowered to foot off and go quick, so to just take the height. Hopefully that explains my mainsheet hogging ways! 😉
Great to see Tom! Congrats on 1k subscribers! Sailing was cancelled at Sugarloaf on Sunday, but only got to 25kt gusts. Great work - a third place is awesome! Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks Finn! The gusts at Sugarloaf would have been mental, it was hard enough on the bay! Back into the moth building videos now 😀
Yeah congrats on 1k!🎉
Thanks, finally got there!
Love the vid
Thanks Jack!
Downwind in these types of skiffs in breeze you want to sail wit a lot tighter main it will give you more depth when you've got the apparrent wind up. In 49ers we just keep the main all the way in. I would say keep it at about 25 cm between the blocks on the back of the boom.
Yep, I reckon you’re right there. In the big breeze we were way under the layline so we’re trying to get height which is why I had it a fair way out!
Almost at 1000 subs congratulations!
Thanks!
When you were talking about hot dropping like an 18, ive found on spinnaker chute boats that pulling the spinnaker to windward regardless of what side the dropline is rigged on helps it come down effectively. Obviously on the 18 without a drop line you have to pull it to windward anyway
Interesting idea, so you’d basically dump the leeward sheet, then use the windward sheet to bring the clew around before dropping? Or just try and gybe drop whenever you can?
@@TomStuchberySailing-eg9vr yes, you dont have to have the clew around all the way before going ballistic on the drop line, but it definitely helps preventing the spinnaker from turning into giant mess at the forestay.
Loving the skiff videos! I'm hoping to see more of them, although I am a bit biased
@@Toast934 I'll definitely be trying that, I rig my drop line with about 40cm between the two kite patches, but it's not a perfect solution.
@@rogerdarbyshire5664 the knot between the patches works really well in my experience! If you are having issues with getting it around the forestay, pulling it to windward really helps
That’s a very interesting idea, we’ll need to try that next year! Don’t tempt me with the skiff videos, there’s a few cheap 12’s with nice trailers around at the moment!
Considering all the other chaos going on at that bottom mark and before it think a bit of a sticky kite was the least of your worries.
Yep, I’m just glad it came unstuck so that we could round up without tearing it more!
GBR 092 here. I love my 59er, but struggle to find a crew who is light enough, but strong enough to get that kite down. I'm thinking of finding a quick helming youngster to steer, and I'll do the grunt work at the front end. Good to see I'm doing the right thing tacking it flat. Dipping the wings is dog slow. And yes, I do have a halyard takeaway ring at the spreaders, or you'd be asking for trouble.
I'm really agin putting a trap on them- they weren't designed for it, and if you're that light that you need one, why aren't you in a 29er?
Squeezing it upwind is really slow, they need to be kept free, in my experience.
Thanks Roger, it’s interesting you think you need a lighter crew, we were racing at 225kg and we thought we were quite competitive once the breeze came in! I agree about the trap, the bendy rig and flat sails just doesn’t feel like the rig on a skiff with trap. Also the shape of the gunnel and lack of toe rails to push off would make trapping tricky!
@@TomStuchberySailing-eg9vr Probably because I'm on a lighter to medium wind venue inland, and am an old powerlifter who probably needs to say goodbye to weighing 130 kg!
BTW, if you run into a Simon Blake at Royal Brighton, say hello from me, we sailed a B14 together years back!
Amazing boat! I didn’t even know a 59er was a thing! Great vid! 🎉
From what I’ve heard there’s probably 50 or so 59ers out there. I did see another one about 6 months ago, so I know of at least 2 still sailing! It’s a cool boat, just a bit strange without a trap.
@@TomStuchberySailing-eg9vrapparently there was a trap option at some point.
Yeah, ours has the eye becket up near the hounds to take a trap, so it was there at some point. The rig is just super flat and bendy, and the bowsprit is like a twig, so I’m not sure there’s much benefit for us if we put the trap back on!
@@TomStuchberySailing-eg9vr yeah that sounds a bit risky to put it on
@@TomStuchberySailing-eg9vr I agree with you, as fun as a trap is, I think it was more of an option for lightweight crews to power up the boat properly. With the appropriate crew hiking this should be readily achievable I. The 59er as it's not nearly as powered up as a 49er and a wider more stable hull than the 29er.
Flex on that sprit looks scary
It is crazy, we’ve thought about adding a bobstay, but once you start modifying stuff where do you stop, we’d have foils before we know it!
What happened to that Musto you had a while ago
I gave it back to the class association after the nationals, as far as I know it’s still sitting on a farm in storage
How does a 59er rate compared to a 505? Faster or slower?
59er is 99 on handicap, 505 is 97.5, 29er is 96.5 (based on the Australian system, lower number is faster, basically how minutes each boat should take to complete a 100 minute race).
Also youre far too modest Tom. That's equal second overall with a bullet to finish... Imagine how good the dimmies would have tasted if you'd made the start before.
If you put it like that I suppose it was equal second, but there weren’t many points between where we were and 7th, so it was very close, and we could have done a lot better if we did that 1st race on the Sunday and I didn’t stuff up 2/3rds of the starts!