The backstabbing, the nudity, the unicorns... I predict the season finale with feature Mogg, having just married the sound of his own voice, riding off into the sun-lit uplands on the back of a donkey, the back-drop being England on fire.
I think the EU should grant an invinite delay to the UK under the promise that parliament will never make a decision and keep voting every week or two. So we can keep the thrill and TLDR videos.
@@arkadefire5909 It's called absurd comedy, a British classic. The parliament decided to one up Monty Python by mixing in a reality show into it. Reality shows are so in right now.
We are all still clueless as to how this will turn out. However, as events have unfolded we are more aware of their significance. Thanks TLDR for your dedication to informative content.
Two years of squabbling and all they have come up with is they can't decide on anything because they hate every idea or option available.. So you are all screwed because nobody wants to do anything besides just blame each other for everything....
think of it this way. the economic system is dead. someone must take the blame. it does not matter what you do politically when you economic system is dead. with no way out, the only think that can be done, is to try to put the blame for the global issues on one particular side and event. its a last to touch the can gets blamed. who will it be, will brexit or the trade war take the L here.
@@etherealhawk do you honestly think that those people care about the jobs? those are all rich already... all they care is their image.. they want a resolution that makes them look good... or even better still in power(edit)...
For two years they let an idiotic remainer with no negotiation experience negotiate with the worst advice available while multiple MPs went behind people backs to tell the EU what to be hard on so they'll be forced to stay. Meanwhile nobody else got off their lazy asses to actually hammer something out until may proposed the same deal TWICE. (seriously she couldn't have done one horrible one and one good one like any sane person would do to influence people.) resulting in no time to actually make negotiations. They are more concerned with their own money and power to set up trade negotiations with individual states in eu (which should have been step one)
The problem is that once an option has been voted away, it somehow still remains on the table alive and well. It's the British way to artificially feed the delusion that the UK never runs out of options. Yet reality will prove that it already has.
Ah Brexit... the sitcom that keeps on giving. This is just another episode that gives us another laughable and pointless slew of votes, and I am loving every bit of it. The Manga was better though.
He is against brexit, but he wants to find a compromise. That's understandable... although the real compromise is deciding are we okay with making ourselves poorer and less powerful for 'sovereignty'. @@givemeakidney
richie smith he was a remain campaigner! He is against Brexit but being a Conservative party member, he had to follow their party rules of being for Brexit! But now since he resigned, he is no longer stuck under Conservative whip and can vote independently!
Well done to this channel for reporting impartiality even though they are declared remainers. I see a big future for you gentlemen even after Brexit is done.
Agreed, the people really need no-nonsense, impartial explanations of our overly complicated political system. I'm looking forward to seeing these types of insightful videos about other things than Brexit.
The thing a lot of news outlets don’t realize is that no matter your position. If you just tell the facts of what happened without injecting your personal bias,you’ll get viewers from both sides of the coin.
A clear majority was achieved in the referendum. The people gave their instruction with a majority of well over a million. Then the people elected a government on a manifesto of leaving.
Ouonouan Désiré If you don't believe in a democratic vote's result, just move to the EU. They don't do democracy over there, you should fit right in. You can't ask the people to vote until they give you the right answer. The same way parliament decided that May couldn't make them vote on the deal until they gave her the right answer. You are delusional, like so many others, and yet you seem to believe you are righteous in your authoritarian beliefs...
MrEd and after that point democracy stops right lol you should realise there is a majority for leaving (yes no vote) but not on how wto mays deal 2.0 so on. Rest assured no matter what happens we’re not staying it cost 39b to start talking ffs
He'd finished speaking and despite clapping being unwelcome it was allowed here but the speaker did move things along right away to help stop it. I'm unsure whether clapping someone's resignation is right anyway.
I hope this gets another season, this season finale seems to be wild and I really wanna know what happens next. Then again, if this is the series finale, it was fun for sure. Will buy the Blu-ray^^
Spoiler alert! : May steals a bus with "my deal or no deal" written in her own blood on the side. She Forces the general public to board it at gunpoint... With a steely gaze she invokes her war cry: "STRONG AND STABLE! She negotiates twists and turns in the road, with the skill of Schumacher, one after the other, everyone in the back is shrieking "you'll murder our children, you crazy Bitch! " Up ahead, it's Brexit corner... Her top lip moistens... She boots it. But there's a European sign in the road " slow: no deal ahead" May smashes it (slow motion, autumnal leaves and pieces of sign blown hard in her wake...) ..she can't make it can she? She hits the brakes, and they fail plunging everyone off the cliff. There's bits of bodies, and industry everywhere... Camera pans back and turns to the top of the cliff. David Cameron and Boris Johnson hold hands and then kiss passionately... As they are lost in their reverie, Boris slowly drops the cutters he used on the brakes.... Fin
It will get another season. The question is, what will the plot be? - Customs Union and/or Common Market - The hardcore leavers will complain that this is not an actual Brexit as it doesn't cut all ties with these filthy European countries and continue to campaign (using their typical tactics like lies and deceptions) to cut the remaining lifelines and, more importantly, put themselves in charge. I call this the Game of Thrones plot. - Anything that resembles a custom framework for a close alignment between the EU and the UK - Very similar to the first script, but with the difference that the anti-EU propaganda of the last 25 years or so and that has driven us to this point continues. The media will drive their anti-EU narrative, nationalist politicians will blame everything bad on the EU, one PM after another PM will be send to Brussels to deliver the dream of "every concession under the sun without obligations to the EU", and we will see a parade of sacked PMs over the coming years as they fail to deliver on these dreams and promises once they are presented with the harsh reality that the EU are 27 other European countries (plus the EEA countries) that have very strong interests too. I call this the "Walking Dead" script as it cycles through the same plotlines, that have become boring several seasons ago, over and over again. - Hard Brexit - Same as The Walking Dead script, just that things will be much, much harder for the UK and that the entire World will be invited to the party, keeping the EU out of the drama a bit. Furthermore Scotland will likely choose independence and the Irish countries might reunite outside the UK. - Any remain scenario - Same as the Customs Union/Common Market, just with much, much harder scenes.
I thought i had deja vu. Why is she even celebrating when Bercow is reading out the vote for the *second* time and she already heard the result and knows it lost?
@@GeneralBlackNorway The time that they would definitely put to good use, I'm sure. I didn't say they were effective nor had any real sort of plan (it was almost more streaking than protest, but I'm biased towards the most effective form of protest being one person with a molotov and the person next to him saying "now let's discuss this thing rationally" while the target is backed into a corner) but I don't find the absurd display at all out of place in the British Parliament, is all I'm saying.
"It's not legally binding, government could just ignore it", you know what else was not legally binding and could be ignored? The referendum to leave the EU!
Article 50 was invoked and that legislation is legally binding. To "ignore" the 2016 referendum now requires a change to that legislation. This predicament cannot be wished away.
yeah thing is tho the referendum wasn't just some parliament vote it was a vote the whole UK had. So ignoring it would demonstrate that parliament doesn't care about the will of the people.
What was binding, was then instruction from each constituency (the employer) directing their MPs (the employee) to vote in a particular way. This doesn’t usually happen as MPs are employed to use their judgement. The referendum came about as MPs felt that it was too important for them to make the decision and to ask the public to decide fro them. This is what happened. Any MP that feels unable to vote according to their constituents direction (on both sides of this divide) are free to resign and call a by election. None appear to have done this.
Bowles resigning was the highlight of the evening. If I was British, I'd be furious with the current government. They're playing chicken with the whole country... for what? Nobody wants May's deal! Even the conservative backbenchers voted against it!
If I was not British, I'd be scared. I don't think the world realizes how Brexit and the fall of the EU will bring back British dominance over the seven seas.
@@Papercut625 Nonesense. British excellence will reign supreme as historically it always has. When the EU falls, all the member states will be begging for trade deals with us. We will form a new EU for them under the scrutiny of the Crown.
It's the only deal the EU is offering, all the rest are chimeras and unicorns. There's only three options: (1) this deal, (2) no deal Brexit, (3) no deal Remain (even if only for several years). The EU will not accept any other option (and option #3 only because the European Court has ruled its UK's right to revoke its article 50 activation unilaterally). All this debate is quite pointless because it's not up for the British Parliament to agree on the deal, just to ratify or reject it.
@@yrosan the goal of parliament is not to pass motions. Passing motions is easy if that's what the goal is─you can't comment on it as if it's a tricky golf shot! If someone introduced a motion to enact something you disagreed with, you would not say that the people voting it down had failed. But this channel did, because it has a bias.
Lmao yeah that's what people who want a hard brexit don't understand MP's are meant to represent their people and half of the population wanted to remain....
Almost half* that’s what the hard brexiters desperately cling to while trying hard to get people to forget about the amount of lies spewed from their half I certainly haven’t forgotten their big bus who’s entire slogan was an unfounded lie
@@fuzzydunlop7928 "Worthless rocks" with an estimated 60 billion barrels worth of oil sitting under the sea nearby :) Also, we don't have an Empire. To suggest that we do (for use as a counter-argument) is ignorant and outdated; but that's something I've come to expect.
A confirmatory Yes/No vote on whether the public approves of Parliament's plan will fail no matter what the plan ends up being, just on how much ill will here is now towards the house.
Parliment cant make a decision on anything so it would allow them to continue being indecisive about everything by passing the decision elsewhere. I agree it's a terrible idea
Kinda proves that voting doesn't actually do anything. More voting now will just make it worse. It is the best system we have to give people a voice and it is the best system we have to select a government but it is actually a pretty terrible system for making a decision or running a country. Democracy is just the least terrible option we have at the moment and until someone finds a better one we are stuck with this mess.
@@TheCoBBus If it's the one from today, think that video is more focused on how the speaker chooses who speaks in the house, rather than how we get from 8 amendments to 4.
@@irasponsibly i think that for this particular one, they chose the motions that were previously most popular then just hope that people would compromise if the least popular were removed
Bercow explained that he chose these particular motions because the House wanted to see progress and he thought that objectively those were the ones which should've been put for debate. He also explained that he rejected A and B because they were already defeated last week and they were not going to trigger any progress in the debates since that was the object of this round of the indicative votes. That being said, he was later accused of double-standard by those MPs whose motions didn't make it. This circus is worth all popcorn produced in Europe for the sake of immature little crybabies who cannot compromise on anything, they have become a laughing stock and what's more worrying, they'll exit the union without a deal and although 6mln refuse Brexit at all, they won't be heard, because they refused "no Brexit at all" as well.
In a way I just hope that UK would leave with out a deal on the 12th. They are playing party politics when there is so much more on risk and fail to compromise to find a better solution than no deal.
@@Mockthenerd and that is why some people would prefer remain because you want THESE HACKS as the people to lead the UK if they go with no deal? No offense but the UK is absolutely fucked if these MPs don't start thinking about the country over party politics.
@@russko118 which just shows that the UK are pretty much playing the political version of hot potato. The government needs to realize that this issue is one that can't keep getting extended and pushed off because it will make it that much harder on the country. (Hell is should have been decided afew days ago 😂)
@Fhjthnl Lol IuyoWell, you do understand irony, don't you? The Scottish Independence Referendum of 2014 only didn't get an independence vote because the Scottish were afraid of being forced OUT of the EU by leaving the UK. Now they are the ones that voted the strongest AGAINST a Leave, and are being drawn out of the EU by the rest of the UK. How long do you believe the Scotts will remain with this BS crap of parliament that could'nt find their arses with a map and a video explanation? How long do you believe that the "United" Kingdom will remain a United Kingdom, and not the Kingdom of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland? Or how long do you believe that with a hard border along the Norther Ireland/Eire the peace will last?
The best thing to do would be to leave without a deal. That’s the only way now in which to honour the outcome of the referendum. Why can’t government see that failure to honour the referendum result is an act of corruption that would spell the end for them
Thanks for keeping us up to date! As an American I use your channel to stay up to date on Brexit! Also I thought clapping wasn’t allowed in parliament, but MPs clapped for Mr. Bowles at the end..found that interesting!
Also because as mentioned at the end of this video, they need a stable majority and the majority built by a system like that would be incredibly unstable.
Three years ago when we first had the result of the referendum Parliment should have set up a cross party Select Committee to look into possible Deals with the EU that could be put to the Government and Parliament. They could have looked at established deals the EU has with other non EU countries, looked at what various different parties would want with a deal, looked at the legal situation around possible Deals and put the results to an indicative vote to decide the direction that the UK goes in regards brexit. They didn't they're trying to create a fudge at the very end. This just says to me how incompetant they are
Unfortunately, that's just how humans work. We live in a world where long term planning and forethought over years is crucial but with brains that are equipped to look a few months ahead at best. As much as I disagree with most evolutionary psychology, on this point it seems fairly definitive: we suck at the long term. The short term benefit to ourselves is paramount, the short term gain for our own society often motivated by personal gain, and thinking long term when we might not even be involved (or may even be dead) is so foreign to us that the people who think that way are seen as special. People like Gandhi, MLK Jr, Mandela, Semmelweis (the first person to implement hygiene practices in his hospital), and others are seen in their times as radicals and as heroes in ours. TL:DR: we suck at the long term because our brains aren't made to process that shit, it wants results now for personal benefit.
Yep. Unless they revoke Article 50 then we crash out with no deal. I love that Parliament get to vote again and again for the same thing but it's undemocratic to put the question back to the people now that we have more factual information.
I can’t thank you enough for these videos. I’ve previously been out of the loop because the countless news articles everyday are difficult to digest, but putting the information in these clear and concise videos is so helpful. I really respect that you carry out the videos in an impartial manner also, It’s really helping me understand the ins and outs of the situation as a confused teen haha
@@theJACKATIC They've stated more than once that they are for remain. Its definitely subtle but the bias is there, that doesn't mean the videos are bad or factually incorrect but there's an inevitable pro remain slant to them. I'm sorry that you don't have the necessary intelligence to see it.
@@boostav Personal attacks say more about your level of intellectual engagement than anything else. It is impossible to be completely unbiased, so of course their personal position is factored in. However, if you read my initial comment you'll see I was making a comparison between TLDR News and the mainstream media. Next.
I’d say that all parties have been unwilling to compromise, why do you think so many people are resigning? The problem with all of this is every politician wants career gain, they don’t actually care about what we want.
U're spoiling me TLDR. I DIDN'T even bother watching the live proceedings because I knew I would know everything I needed to know from u guys in a matter of hours !! Rock on....
So, with 10 days till no deal, and with no one in parliament able to agree on anything, do you think anything will be passed to soften what is to probably be inevitable for the british?
Just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work that you do on this channel, I have been a fan for a long time now and it has been a great resource for me to understand what is going on. I am a Scotsman living in Greece and the information you give has been invaluable to me.
This "aye" or "noe" system is proving totally inadequate for finding compromise. It seems to me like they need some kind of alternative voting system. Like the one defeated in a referendum in 2011.
yup they need a ranking system because then they'd be forced to actually say which ones they prefer and which ones they don't instead of just voting noes because they can't get their way.
Hey man, really enjoying these vids and forgive me if this has already been answered but would it be possible for you to do a vid on what different factions there are in parliament at the moment? It just seems like no one really has a clue on what's best for the country and yet no one's willing to vote for a deal of any sort but also don't want a no deal Brexit either. What's the plan here? Surely they are aware that continuously saying no will lead to a no deal Brexit and yet they absolutely do not want a No Deal. So what exactly is it that politicians want from Brexit and why is it so hard to find a compromise? I'm Australian so please forgive me if i seem ignorant.
It's complicated. The tories or right wing part have a slight majority in parliament but only thanks to a political alliance with the DUP, a fairly minor party in Westminster. The Tories are led by Theresa May the Prime minister who has stated often enough that their party will try and bring the UK out of the EU. As a result of the referendum in 2016. However this referendum only won a very narrow 52% for leaving and 48% for remaining in the EU. However in Westminster most MP's don't want to leave the EU and it isn't a popular decision by some Tory rebels and the DUP. This is because the DUP's constituency is in Northern Ireland, so any deal that doesn't take them into account will be firmly rejected and as a result no majority can easily come out to vote for a leave proposition or some kind of customs union with the EU. (Northern Ireland mainly voted to remain in the EU, along with the SNP the main political party representing Scotland) Their opposition labour try to push for an agreement or some sort of customs union with the EU, or even a second referendum. However due to a few hardcore brexiteers pushing for a hard brexit it's unlikely they will succeed in any kind of agreement without some Tory rebels supporting them. So essentially no one can get a majority for any option, except as pointed out in this video 1 or 2 options that might just push into a tiny majority. Even if that gains a majority it's clear it will never be a strong one, so the final result will probably be heavily criticised by whoever loses by the tiny margin and due to how essentially regionally divided the UK voted in the initial referendum what ever result happens will probably cause a crisis. I wouldn't be surprised by a general election to be called after this and a second referendum on the Scottish independence is on the table as stated by the SNP. And on top of that if no clear agreement takes into account Northern Ireland there would almost certainly be some serious issues that come up. Northern Ireland ended the Troubles with the Good friday agreement in April 10th 1998, if a no deal brexit occurs this would probably violate that agreement and a hard border would have to be installed there. Which would be unbelievably unpopular there. The whole thing is a big mess.
I don't think even the MPs know what they want. This isn't even a joke, nobody knows what's going on in their heads. Individually, some people have spoken out their beliefs, but those are rare. Rees moog says he wants No Deal, Corbyn says he wants to protect workers rights, the people submitting amendments support their own amendments. The reason why there's no compromise is largely party lines ("we're tories, let's not vote for labour even if we agree with them", for instance) and electoral strategy to appeal to your constituency's voters. We know neither what the people wanted out of Brexit, nor what politicians as a whole want of it. I once saw someone summarise it as "the undefined being negociated by the unprepared in order to get the unspecified for the uninformed", and that's pretty much what's going on
There are three primary forces (that matter in Parliament) around Brexit: * The Pro-US Brexitors - these are hard neo-liberals that have dollar signs in their eyes at the prospects of deregulated US ways of business, such as reduced food and animal welfare standards, ultra privatisation, reduced vehicle standards. Being in the EU offers some protections from these things, which is why they want out. These are found in the Conservative and UKIP parties, and are responsible for feeding the racist/right with pro-sovereignty propaganda, who don't realise what it's actually about is changing who controls that sovereignty, so it can be more US/WallStreet etc friendly. They want the hard-Brexit as that leaves them most free to create a US-British corporatocracy, making constant references to the world wars, where we were allied to the US while fighting Europe. * The Pro-EU center - this coalition includes Liberals, who mostly see Brexit as being racist, and don't want to let racists "win", and resist on these grounds (although they will rationalise it in more detail, just like the racist/right, it is fundamentally emotional). You also have business leaders, who haven't been fighting to keep up with education spending in this country, and need immigration as a substitute, which is part of the basis for the resentment that is felt towards immigrants. Importing educated people is cheaper than paying to educate people in your own population - in the short term. * The Pro-Brexit left - true recovery of our country's population, after a decade of hard austerity that has our streets full of beggers and people no longer able to leave abusive employers - is just no longer capable of happening within the EU, because the EU is highly conservative-centrist/liberal, and resists any radical movement to the left or right. The Maastricht treaty limits wage increases, causing the majority of profits to go to shareholders, forcing a widening of the rich/poor gap, and competition laws forbid nationalising many services to bring prices back under control. The Pro-Brexit left sees the pro-US right's plan and knows this will be a worse situation, so is trying to set up things like a customs union with the EU - that would prohibit British politicians from creating a bilateral trade and investor rights treaty with the US. The Pro-US Brexitors see this customs union as defeating the whole point of Brexit as they wish it... they want to remove their obstacle, not swap it for another. None of these three outcomes are compatible with any other... they are all mutually exclusive, none of them have a majority, and none of them see any reason or possibility of getting what they want without denying the other two of what they want... so they are deadlocked, the disagreement is too fundamental.
@@Madhattersinjeans wanting to fully leave the EU is not a "hard-core brexit" it is merely a proper Brexit. Remaining in the main parts of the EU is NOT leaving.
Such a mess. I am not a British and I although I follow this channel and some other news, there are still some points I don't get. Firstly, UK has to be in the single market(or customs union and all these economical things... I cannot say I have a good understanding of all of them XD) in order to keep the GFA as it is now. But then, UK will not be able to negotiate its own trade deals or establish some laws independently from EU. And here is what I don't understand. If there is no deal brexit, there has to be hard borders in NI, right? Isn't it annulling the GFA one-sidedly? If it is, do hard-brexiteers aware of it and just don't care? Is there any consequences(not only socially but also legally) for it? or is it Ireland's problem since they also opt-in staying in the EU so that keeping the GFA as it is not possible? To me it seems like UK, Ireland, NI and maybe the EU should have negotiated and came up with a solution BEFORE the referendum? and when there is this much technicalities why a so called Remainer parliament went for such referendum? There are not referendum for let's say for the fishing rules or the interest rates? How is this any different with this much technicality and legally binding issues? I would understand if the parliament would opt-in for leaving and they would have plans even for a no-deal brexit (as it stands as a default option). I don't really blame brexiteers as they are just voicing their opinion and backing it even considering the consequences. But I think the ones to blame who promoted to referendum while being a remainer...( as far as I understand the Tories were this type, correct me if I am wrong) And as a final question, does anyone hold responsible for all the damage that uncertainty brings, legally? I mean literally if someone throws a stone and breaks a single window or such, they would be judged and the politicians are just free to cause harm to the economy and life of some people while there are no benefits in their agenda or when they have no plans? I am not arguing that whether the politicians should be judged because the laws they pass might cause on harm some people's lives as long as there are some other benefits, long-term plans or unpredictable future events. But in this case, it just seems like they were VERY irresponsible and there were no unpredictable things happened(the problems were on the table at the moment the referendum was hold). And as things are, there are definitely no benefits to any side, not to remainers, nor to brexiteers. And please correct me if I have written something wrong and I am sorry if I am being disrespectful to anyone. I don't really mean it.
Sounds right to me. Tories wanted a referendum because they thought that they'd win (remain) and it would prevent their party from splitting. To become tory leader candidates had to pander to Brexiteers to win. This leads them to insincerely bash the EU. Unpopular, Cameron offered a referendum if he won the next election (which he never believed in a million years). It worked too well and he felt obliged to do it hoping for the best (at that time polls indicated remain would win) Labour wanted it because it would destroy the tory party. Corbyn is also an anti-EU activist. Thinking that the EU was obviously best it was difficult for remained to comprehend that they would lose.
Hard Brexit literally means that Britain is canceling its trade deals and instead needs to trade under WTO rules. No one really knows what this will mean for the EU or the UK. Hard Brexit is not necessarily annulling the GFA. As far as I know, it does not specifically state that there is no border between the NI and the RoI. This is part of Schengen, which did not happen until the 80s. If the UK wants to stay in the Single market it needs to accept the rules and regulation of the EU without having any influence over them. That seems like a stupid idea to me. given the rather large influence that the UK had before and how it in many ways was able to curb more strict regulation which would have hurt its economy. Of course, there should have been negotiations before any referendum was held. It was meant to be a ploy t appease the anti-European voices in the right-wing by giving them a vote that is easily defeated, so they have to fall back in line with Europe. Unfortunately, no one and I mean no one though Brexit would pass and therefore no one took it seriously. And I include the people that called for the referendum. They just wanted to get more power on a populist platform. Otherwise, there would have been some plans for a positive referendum. I agree there should have never been a referendum. It is too complicated an issue for a referendum. If a Brexit-deal was structured and people had an understanding of what Brexit means. Then you might be able to get some value from a referendum. Otherwise, it just creates a lot of unnecessary chaos. I can not tell you if there is any possible legal recourse for the 8 billion in damage Brexit has done to the UK's economy so far. it seems doubtful especially because it was the will of the people. The only possible legal recourse I see is between the EU and the UK. Those are actual bilateral contracts that can be legally enforced but it will depend on what actually happens.
@@SGast As far as I know the GFA does in fact forbid any kind of obstruction on the NI RoI border. And Irish on both sides say that whatever kind of border check you built, it will be bommed the very same night it is erected. I don't really get why that would happen, but they seem VERY sure about that.
Thank you for all of your hard work! It's very pleasing to hear a non-coloured opinion on the brexit topic. The videos are simple and your narrating style is quite enjoyable. Keep the good work going!
All the options they voted on was different forms of remaining... the country voted to leave. It cannot go on that a parliament of remainers are trying to do the opposite of what we the people voted for.
From a Remainer's perspective, all those options are different forms of leaving. And this is why we will never get anywhere on this matter. For me, nothing short of Revoking Art 50 is good enough. For you nothing short of (presumably) 'no deal' is good enough. :(
@@catsandcrafts171 How is continuing to give the EU money, obey their regulations, have open borders with them, have them negotiate our trade deals etc. "Leaving"? It is objectively not leaving, and you are objectively anti-democratic for demanding that the decision we voted for be thrown in the trash. I would have preferred a deal and us leaving on good terms, but the EU is not a reasonable entity. They wrote May's withdrawal agreement and they wrote it as a terms of surrender, like we lost a war or something. This attack on democracy must not be tolerated. That our so called representatives are helping the EU undermine our leaving, shows how deep the corruption goes. We are being locked out the decision making process of our own country, by design.
jan van ruth If parliament reflected how people actually voted, we would have left by now. For example. Labour MP Yvette Cooper, active anti-Brexit campaigner, currently pushing for a bill to bar No Deal as an option. Constituency voted 70% Leave in the referendum... Our parliament has gone off on it's own agenda and has forgotten they are supposed to be democratically elected representatives. This is a symptom of the EU taint on representative democracy, of the political class forgetting their place.
@@AnnoyedDragon i forgot: how much did Boris promise would be put into the National Healthcare extra as a result of leaving the EU? How many did vote to leave because of that promise?
When I was in elementary school there was a subject called "Basics Of Democracy", and one of the most important lessons from the book was "Compromise". MP should go back to elementary school, they have a lot to learn.
It would be dreadful if May refuses to fulfil any majority that the indicative votes agree on. Even if she disagrees with the results. It’s not legally binding yes- but so was the Brexit referendum. And May’s said many times she’s personally against the idea of Brexit but will fulfil it for democracy’s sake. I see no difference here if parliament decides on a majority.
It will be against the conservative manifesto; if the parliament agreed on a common market on Wednesday (which is very likely), and TM decided to go ahead, that will mean a break down of the conservative party. Potentially, that means giving power to the labour in the upcoming election. I think that the conservative is facing a very similar situation as the republican during the last election; they had to choose to support Donald Trump and forced to take a side.
@@Daveliuhk we had a very similar problem here in Brazil last election, the workers party forced their hand and we ended up with "Trump meets crack cocaine" for a president.
May has also said that she will not allow no deal unless MPs vote for it. So it's her deal or no brexit. Which pulls brexiteers over to her side. Except the DUP who've now said no brexit is better than breaking up the Union (which it is). The impass will not be navigated unless a compromise can be found. An easy solution is for may to add a people's vote to her deal, then the Lib Dems and Labour will back it.
@An Englishman Amen, brother. I don't think all these EU supporters realize how British excellence will yet again overcome the corruption of France and Germany.
I guess you arent well versed in this debacle? The EU is desperate for our money, they will bend over backwards to ensure there is No deal. Its been so predictable.
My goodness. Just leave already! The EU is clearly just punishing you for trying to maintain local control over the island, which demonstrates their malicious nature. Why would you want to remain with people who hate you but want your money?
They are rubbish at this. Though one thing I would like to point out, that so far largely flew under the radar, is the cost of the ting to the British people so far. With so much of the government's time and energy dedicated to Brexit, every other issue, healthcare, education, welfare, etc. has effectively been on a backburner, and they will pay the price for it. Maybe something for a video too.
@An Englishman Has it ever occurred to you that you might simply be wrong?! (I know in some respects with absolute certainty that you are, as I was one of those pesky 'experts' in my particular field during my career). I suspect you've never a) negotiated a big deal in your life, b) worked with worldwide regulations and standards, c) worked with any kind of pan EU institution, because otherwise you would understand just what a MASSIVE say we in the UK have, sorry, HAD. We will still be abiding by the vast majority of EU legislation, even if we leave with 'no deal' but we will have no say in developing or amending that legislation. We will be true slaves to the EU.
@An Englishman Because there are no international trade deals between the UK and other countries. They are all between the EU and third-party countries with maybe a few exceptions. This means new trade deals need to be negotiated, which is a lot harder when you are a smaller country. Take China for example for them the UK is but a blip on their radar compared to the combined trading power of the EU. And a GDP growth of 0.7% is growth but not that much. It is barely above a retracting economy. Experts estimate that Brexit has cost the UK economy 8 billion pounds so far.
@An Englishman Thing is, you would have to renegotiate every tradedeal you're part of even outside of the EU, because now Britain is a much less interesting country to trade with. The EU is a lot more appealing, because it's a much bigger economic block, which most major players prefer to deal with. You have a much less firm negotiating position now than when you were making deals with the other EU members. If you want proof of this, companies like Nissan and Honda are already moving factories out of the UK, almost a trillion euros worth of financial business in the banking world has moved across the Channel, which will cost the UK government 1% of its budget, simply because of the reduced tax income. You might say that that money would have gone to the EU anyway, and while the UK was a net contributor, a lot of that money flowed back into the UK in the form of subsidies for farmers and nature, mostly.
If the hard exit is the legal default then it should have remained on the table, if anything to serve as a reminder of what the result of not coming to a consensus will bring.
It remains the legal default. Despite calls to do so May hasn't taken it off the table so unless EU grants and extension or a solution is agree'd upon we're getting No Deal on the 12th.
@@Archangelsvoid Exactly. You can vote as many times as you want on the sun not coming up. But lo and behold, every morning the damned sun ignores your votes and rises again. If the UK does not sign the deal by April 12th, they ARE OUT. No deal. Period.
the latest vote was encouraging as the votes were close. And clearly shows parliament will improve want they want to see on the paper and get a consensus.
Thank you! Exactly my point, this is what democracy is, it's messy and takes time. These are such complicated matters and they should NOT be arriving at a hurried conclusion. It would've been far more helpful for the government to have allowed the negotiation discussions in parliament far earlier so that this process could evolve in the most robust manner and with plenty of time to spare.
As an objective observer (I'm from Austria), I saw yesterday the whole parliament session and this video brings up all of the important parts of it. It's pretty obvious right now, that the UK government is sabotaging the parliaments work to push their own deal for days now. This is a totally legit strategy, but I'm really sorry for you guys that the future of your country is literally depending on the outcome of some political poker game. Which started already years ago, because even back then it was very clear which options of types of relationship the UK gonna have with the EU.
Well the same thing happened with May's deal, Labour didn't vote for it despite being almost identical to what they're asking (i.e. a soft brexit), so why would you expect the Tories to vote for Labour's motions?
I thought the "ban" on clapping in the House of Commons was a convention, not a hard-and-fast rule, i.e. it's something they don't do because they don't do it, not because they're not permitted to do it.
@@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S. looks like a great opportunity for me to introduce the parliament to my patented extra loud vuvuzela. That is at least 650 sales right there!
It is only a long standing tradition that various Speakers have inconsistently enforced in the name of respecting conventions. The clapping that goes without rebuke most often happens after farewell speeches (which this essentially was.)
I think since parliament is going into a tailspin of endless constitutional crisis and confusion, small conventions like this probably don't even raise an eyebrow. I mean seriously? who cares or give a flying ____ now? Thanks brexit!
UK has had two bloody years to come up with a plan, and they are running around headless 2 weeks before the deadline. Don't deserve an extension. Just take the L and leave
"Oh Nick, don't go... come on..."
At the same time, i bet that bastard rejected everything.
Like a breakup, that line broke my heart...
This was heartbreaking
Please clap
The partisan ranks are fatiguing. Eventually common ground, and maybe common sense, might be found.
This new season of Brexit is bloody brilliant!
The twists, the turns, betrayals, resignations,... Wondering what will happen in the next episode!
@William Whittle there is no way it's based on facts, who would vote those options ? XD
Yeah but sometimes I think the show is too unrealistic, it should be more classed as fantasy or maybe comedy ?
The backstabbing, the nudity, the unicorns... I predict the season finale with feature Mogg, having just married the sound of his own voice, riding off into the sun-lit uplands on the back of a donkey, the back-drop being England on fire.
I think the EU should grant an invinite delay to the UK under the promise that parliament will never make a decision and keep voting every week or two. So we can keep the thrill and TLDR videos.
@@arkadefire5909 It's called absurd comedy, a British classic. The parliament decided to one up Monty Python by mixing in a reality show into it. Reality shows are so in right now.
"What do you want?"
"NO!"
''Noes to the right'' :D
"When do you want it?"
"Later!"
Leaving on WTO!
like a toddler who has made a bad decision.
hearhear
It's been a mess of Brexit because there's been a significant lack of ORRRRRRRRDAAAAAH! 🤣😁
I thought I was the only one who loved that guy screaming ordah ordah.
We need ordahhhhhhhh pls
@@rvanzo925 everyone loves it
Hoooddddooorrr!!!
ORDERRRRRR 😂😂😂😂😂
I literally sit and wait for these videos now, i was previously clueless, thanks very much
Same here 😅
We are all still clueless as to how this will turn out. However, as events have unfolded we are more aware of their significance. Thanks TLDR for your dedication to informative content.
Idem
Excellent comment and replies. Full agreement 👍 TLDR makes the brexit mess more palatable.
Anything to keep my mind off of our disastrous decision to elect Donald Trump.
Two years of squabbling and all they have come up with is they can't decide on anything because they hate every idea or option available..
So you are all screwed because nobody wants to do anything besides just blame each other for everything....
think of it this way. the economic system is dead. someone must take the blame. it does not matter what you do politically when you economic system is dead. with no way out, the only think that can be done, is to try to put the blame for the global issues on one particular side and event. its a last to touch the can gets blamed. who will it be, will brexit or the trade war take the L here.
MPs get jobs in the EU government after they lose their seats. They want to keep those jobs while also looking to be adhering to democracy
@@etherealhawk do you honestly think that those people care about the jobs? those are all rich already... all they care is their image.. they want a resolution that makes them look good... or even better still in power(edit)...
For two years they let an idiotic remainer with no negotiation experience negotiate with the worst advice available while multiple MPs went behind people backs to tell the EU what to be hard on so they'll be forced to stay.
Meanwhile nobody else got off their lazy asses to actually hammer something out until may proposed the same deal TWICE. (seriously she couldn't have done one horrible one and one good one like any sane person would do to influence people.) resulting in no time to actually make negotiations.
They are more concerned with their own money and power to set up trade negotiations with individual states in eu (which should have been step one)
The problem is that once an option has been voted away, it somehow still remains on the table alive and well. It's the British way to artificially feed the delusion that the UK never runs out of options. Yet reality will prove that it already has.
Ah Brexit... the sitcom that keeps on giving. This is just another episode that gives us another laughable and pointless slew of votes, and I am loving every bit of it.
The Manga was better though.
i don't know, British comedy just isn't what it used to be :(
Soon to be a Broadway show.
@@whocares2087.1 serious I bet there will be a westend (UK Broadway) show. Its totally the kind of thing we do here.
@Adhi Wicaksono link pls
Sitcom = sitting commons
Nick showed actual integrity. Country over party.
If he believed in country over party he'd be against brexit.
He is against brexit, but he wants to find a compromise. That's understandable... although the real compromise is deciding are we okay with making ourselves poorer and less powerful for 'sovereignty'. @@givemeakidney
richie smith he was a remain campaigner! He is against Brexit but being a Conservative party member, he had to follow their party rules of being for Brexit! But now since he resigned, he is no longer stuck under Conservative whip and can vote independently!
Lachy T weirdo
@@lachyt5247 🤣
Well done to this channel for reporting impartiality even though they are declared remainers.
I see a big future for you gentlemen even after Brexit is done.
Agreed, the people really need no-nonsense, impartial explanations of our overly complicated political system. I'm looking forward to seeing these types of insightful videos about other things than Brexit.
Hear, hear!
The thing a lot of news outlets don’t realize is that no matter your position. If you just tell the facts of what happened without injecting your personal bias,you’ll get viewers from both sides of the coin.
Suggesting Brexit will ever "be done" xD
It's so refreshing seeing pure and simple facts. No bias and spin like you see in all the news these days.
So.
May's deal have been rejected 3 times.
All other options have been defeated 2 times.
Yet they say people shouldn't vote twice?
A clear majority was achieved in the referendum. The people gave their instruction with a majority of well over a million. Then the people elected a government on a manifesto of leaving.
Ouonouan Désiré If you don't believe in a democratic vote's result, just move to the EU. They don't do democracy over there, you should fit right in.
You can't ask the people to vote until they give you the right answer. The same way parliament decided that May couldn't make them vote on the deal until they gave her the right answer.
You are delusional, like so many others, and yet you seem to believe you are righteous in your authoritarian beliefs...
‘I like Democracy when it only goes my way’
The post
MrEd and after that point democracy stops right lol you should realise there is a majority for leaving (yes no vote) but not on how wto mays deal 2.0 so on. Rest assured no matter what happens we’re not staying it cost 39b to start talking ffs
@@orangeedo
Yes a majority of 52% over 48%.
A 2% majority wouldn't even be enough for parliament to mark it a majority.
I thought clapping was banned? Did they just ignore that little ripple at the resignation, or was that allowed?
Just ignored it
He'd finished speaking and despite clapping being unwelcome it was allowed here but the speaker did move things along right away to help stop it.
I'm unsure whether clapping someone's resignation is right anyway.
@@randomdaveUK Imho they didn't clap because he resigned but because he attacked the government, something which, naturally, the opposition likes.
why the idiotic and trivial obsession with whether or not MPs should clap? others have asked the same thing and it is absolutely pointless.
@@randomdaveUK they clapped as a sign of support for an unselfish and coherent decision.
*How To Destroy Parliament*
Gunpowder - ✗
WW2 - ✗
Brexit - ✓
In spite of the divisions between Leave and Remain I think all of us will agree that parliament has turned into a Circus.
IPJ Bradley 100% agreed
Aren't governments always a circus though?
We need OOODDDDAAA!
I think those naked protesters were more sensible an less obscene then the MPs on the floor.
Mockthenerd5 I would have voted but I was 14
Damn. This is beyond Korean dramas.
Oppa...
(picturing Theresa May post Korean plastic surgery)
It's not a K-drama, it's a UK-drama
Nothing is better then Korean dramas, although Chinese dramas are now a lot better in recent years.
cw porter No I haven’t yet. Right now I am reading The Legendary moonlight sculptor it’s Korean
I hope this gets another season, this season finale seems to be wild and I really wanna know what happens next. Then again, if this is the series finale, it was fun for sure. Will buy the Blu-ray^^
Spoiler alert! :
May steals a bus with "my deal or no deal" written in her own blood on the side. She Forces the general public to board it at gunpoint...
With a steely gaze she invokes her war cry: "STRONG AND STABLE!
She negotiates twists and turns in the road, with the skill of Schumacher, one after the other, everyone in the back is shrieking "you'll murder our children, you crazy Bitch! "
Up ahead, it's Brexit corner... Her top lip moistens... She boots it.
But there's a European sign in the road " slow: no deal ahead"
May smashes it (slow motion, autumnal leaves and pieces of sign blown hard in her wake...)
..she can't make it can she?
She hits the brakes, and they fail plunging everyone off the cliff. There's bits of bodies, and industry everywhere... Camera pans back and turns to the top of the cliff. David Cameron and Boris Johnson hold hands and then kiss passionately... As they are lost in their reverie, Boris slowly drops the cutters he used on the brakes....
Fin
It will get another season. The question is, what will the plot be?
- Customs Union and/or Common Market - The hardcore leavers will complain that this is not an actual Brexit as it doesn't cut all ties with these filthy European countries and continue to campaign (using their typical tactics like lies and deceptions) to cut the remaining lifelines and, more importantly, put themselves in charge. I call this the Game of Thrones plot.
- Anything that resembles a custom framework for a close alignment between the EU and the UK - Very similar to the first script, but with the difference that the anti-EU propaganda of the last 25 years or so and that has driven us to this point continues. The media will drive their anti-EU narrative, nationalist politicians will blame everything bad on the EU, one PM after another PM will be send to Brussels to deliver the dream of "every concession under the sun without obligations to the EU", and we will see a parade of sacked PMs over the coming years as they fail to deliver on these dreams and promises once they are presented with the harsh reality that the EU are 27 other European countries (plus the EEA countries) that have very strong interests too. I call this the "Walking Dead" script as it cycles through the same plotlines, that have become boring several seasons ago, over and over again.
- Hard Brexit - Same as The Walking Dead script, just that things will be much, much harder for the UK and that the entire World will be invited to the party, keeping the EU out of the drama a bit. Furthermore Scotland will likely choose independence and the Irish countries might reunite outside the UK.
- Any remain scenario - Same as the Customs Union/Common Market, just with much, much harder scenes.
@@sverebom7069 Leaving the WTO, duh! :-D
You guys are awesome. Thank you for bringing OOOORDEEER into this complex topic!
Bercow is now my spirit animal
A simple 'Yes/No' vote. Hmmm, isn't that what got us into this mess in the first place.
No, the problem is that with multiple choice the public votes just like those ministers.
Division!!!
@@michaeladkins6 CLEARRRR THE COMMENTS!!!
The parliament finally comes out with a deal.
The people vote no.
6:35 The same woman who said "Yes!" last week did it again lmao
If her preferred deal eventually goes through it'll be like that scene from When Harry Met Sally
@@ataru4 "You don't think I can tell the difference?"
"No."
"Get outta here!"
I thought i had deja vu.
Why is she even celebrating when Bercow is reading out the vote for the *second* time and she already heard the result and knows it lost?
jim bob lol
I think she's shitposting.
Everybody: What do you want?
UK Parliament: NO!
Everybody: When do you want?
UK Parliament: NO!
To be perfectly honest I thought the half-nude protesters were a voice of reason amongst the mangy lot normally occupying Parliament.
That guy with "Stop Wasting Time" written on his chest, while he is contributing to wasting the parliaments time...
@@GeneralBlackNorway The time that they would definitely put to good use, I'm sure. I didn't say they were effective nor had any real sort of plan (it was almost more streaking than protest, but I'm biased towards the most effective form of protest being one person with a molotov and the person next to him saying "now let's discuss this thing rationally" while the target is backed into a corner) but I don't find the absurd display at all out of place in the British Parliament, is all I'm saying.
Your videoes are the only way for me to understand this bloody mess.
"It's not legally binding, government could just ignore it", you know what else was not legally binding and could be ignored? The referendum to leave the EU!
Article 50 was invoked and that legislation is legally binding. To "ignore" the 2016 referendum now requires a change to that legislation. This predicament cannot be wished away.
yeah thing is tho the referendum wasn't just some parliament vote it was a vote the whole UK had. So ignoring it would demonstrate that parliament doesn't care about the will of the people.
@@thatguyonyoutube2063 It was a NON-BINDING REFERENDUM! It only passed the house to become law on the basis of it being a consultancy vote.....
@@asshatteryengaged813 - Article 50 can still be revoked, mind you, courtesy of the European Court.
What was binding, was then instruction from each constituency (the employer) directing their MPs (the employee) to vote in a particular way. This doesn’t usually happen as MPs are employed to use their judgement. The referendum came about as MPs felt that it was too important for them to make the decision and to ask the public to decide fro them. This is what happened. Any MP that feels unable to vote according to their constituents direction (on both sides of this divide) are free to resign and call a by election. None appear to have done this.
Bowles resigning was the highlight of the evening.
If I was British, I'd be furious with the current government. They're playing chicken with the whole country... for what?
Nobody wants May's deal! Even the conservative backbenchers voted against it!
If I was not British, I'd be scared. I don't think the world realizes how Brexit and the fall of the EU will bring back British dominance over the seven seas.
Gentleman Von Tweed it really won’t. The world is in a much different state than when it was centuries ago.
@@Papercut625 Nonesense. British excellence will reign supreme as historically it always has. When the EU falls, all the member states will be begging for trade deals with us. We will form a new EU for them under the scrutiny of the Crown.
It's the only deal the EU is offering, all the rest are chimeras and unicorns. There's only three options: (1) this deal, (2) no deal Brexit, (3) no deal Remain (even if only for several years). The EU will not accept any other option (and option #3 only because the European Court has ruled its UK's right to revoke its article 50 activation unilaterally). All this debate is quite pointless because it's not up for the British Parliament to agree on the deal, just to ratify or reject it.
@@gentlemanvontweed7147 Not sure you are joking or not lol
To anyone that's been paying attention: yes.
Mps couldn't agree on which is the arse end of a cow.
This isn't a "fail", it keeps the only true Brexit option on track.
It is a failure to get the motion to pass. Not necessary a failure of the whole process, depending where your point of view stands.
@@yrosan the goal of parliament is not to pass motions. Passing motions is easy if that's what the goal is─you can't comment on it as if it's a tricky golf shot!
If someone introduced a motion to enact something you disagreed with, you would not say that the people voting it down had failed. But this channel did, because it has a bias.
Thanks for the vids, no one else explaining like you guys. 👍
Seeing as they cannot agree on anything, surely the default outcome should be no deal.
I stayed up for this video. It is now 4:30 AM. I'll go to bed in 13 minutes.
@@henryforton9290 Or maybe just this crazy idea that not everyone who can type is from UK. The time matches ET (east coast US).
Considering that nobody in this country can seem to agree on anything, these MPs are doing a heck of a good job of representing us!
Lmao yeah that's what people who want a hard brexit don't understand MP's are meant to represent their people and half of the population wanted to remain....
Almost half* that’s what the hard brexiters desperately cling to while trying hard to get people to forget about the amount of lies spewed from their half I certainly haven’t forgotten their big bus who’s entire slogan was an unfounded lie
They should stop messing around. Every month we remain costs the UK 2 billlion euros.
Argentinian here. Because of my time zone, I get to watch your daily videos in the morning before going to school, so as to start the day well 😊
S'alright. At the end of the day we still have the Falklands. So if watching this makes you feel better, then good for you :)
@Alfre Porto Snopek Course we will. We can go into another recession and we'll still be richer than Argentina.
@Alfre Porto Snopek Sure thing.
@@Pemmont107 If holding on to some worthless rocks half a world away is a source of pride for you, then the Empire has really fallen on hard times.
@@fuzzydunlop7928 "Worthless rocks" with an estimated 60 billion barrels worth of oil sitting under the sea nearby :)
Also, we don't have an Empire. To suggest that we do (for use as a counter-argument) is ignorant and outdated; but that's something I've come to expect.
do you wanna stay ? NO!
do you wanna leave? NO!
do you know what u want? NO!
A confirmatory Yes/No vote on whether the public approves of Parliament's plan will fail no matter what the plan ends up being, just on how much ill will here is now towards the house.
Parliment cant make a decision on anything so it would allow them to continue being indecisive about everything by passing the decision elsewhere. I agree it's a terrible idea
Kinda proves that voting doesn't actually do anything. More voting now will just make it worse.
It is the best system we have to give people a voice and it is the best system we have to select a government but it is actually a pretty terrible system for making a decision or running a country. Democracy is just the least terrible option we have at the moment and until someone finds a better one we are stuck with this mess.
the agonizing slow motion train wreck is finally about to end.
I know you're all rather busy, but could you explain how the speaker chooses motions to vote on?
look at the house of common twitter They have a video with the speaker just on this topic
@@TheCoBBus If it's the one from today, think that video is more focused on how the speaker chooses who speaks in the house, rather than how we get from 8 amendments to 4.
@@irasponsibly i think that for this particular one, they chose the motions that were previously most popular then just hope that people would compromise if the least popular were removed
It's actually to his own discretion to what he chooses. And he does not need to explain himself as to why he chooses what he chose
Bercow explained that he chose these particular motions because the House wanted to see progress and he thought that objectively those were the ones which should've been put for debate. He also explained that he rejected A and B because they were already defeated last week and they were not going to trigger any progress in the debates since that was the object of this round of the indicative votes. That being said, he was later accused of double-standard by those MPs whose motions didn't make it. This circus is worth all popcorn produced in Europe for the sake of immature little crybabies who cannot compromise on anything, they have become a laughing stock and what's more worrying, they'll exit the union without a deal and although 6mln refuse Brexit at all, they won't be heard, because they refused "no Brexit at all" as well.
In a way I just hope that UK would leave with out a deal on the 12th. They are playing party politics when there is so much more on risk and fail to compromise to find a better solution than no deal.
Better no deal than having them inside in this conditions
@@russko118 It almost feel like extricating a cancer
@@Mockthenerd and that is why some people would prefer remain because you want THESE HACKS as the people to lead the UK if they go with no deal? No offense but the UK is absolutely fucked if these MPs don't start thinking about the country over party politics.
@@TheSoundwave92 i think that's the point, the MP's are more concerned about the party than the country itself
@@russko118 which just shows that the UK are pretty much playing the political version of hot potato. The government needs to realize that this issue is one that can't keep getting extended and pushed off because it will make it that much harder on the country. (Hell is should have been decided afew days ago 😂)
I really do like the shoes.
Brilliant as ever!
At this point it would be easier if all countries left the EU and re-establish it without England
@Fhjthnl Lol Iuyo EVEN IF SOME OF THEM AREN'T KEEN ON IT. REMEMBER OR ELSE.
@Fhjthnl Lol Iuyo scotland is Literary doing ads on youtube for friendship with europe lol
@Fhjthnl Lol IuyoWell, you do understand irony, don't you?
The Scottish Independence Referendum of 2014 only didn't get an independence vote because the Scottish were afraid of being forced OUT of the EU by leaving the UK.
Now they are the ones that voted the strongest AGAINST a Leave, and are being drawn out of the EU by the rest of the UK.
How long do you believe the Scotts will remain with this BS crap of parliament that could'nt find their arses with a map and a video explanation?
How long do you believe that the "United" Kingdom will remain a United Kingdom, and not the Kingdom of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland?
Or how long do you believe that with a hard border along the Norther Ireland/Eire the peace will last?
2nd round of indicative votes best April Fools joke of 2019.
The best thing to do would be to leave without a deal.
That’s the only way now in which to honour the outcome of the referendum.
Why can’t government see that failure to honour the referendum result is an act of corruption that would spell the end for them
This is Zeno's Paradox, Brexit edition: the votes keep occuring without approaching a deal as N approaches infinty.
I'm still looking for WMDs in Iraq.
Thanks for keeping us up to date! As an American I use your channel to stay up to date on Brexit! Also I thought clapping wasn’t allowed in parliament, but MPs clapped for Mr. Bowles at the end..found that interesting!
Why don't they hold a vote where MPs have to chose one of the four options and eliminate the least voted one till they arrive at a decision?
You can't force MPs to vote, and they can vote no on both options at the end.
Also because as mentioned at the end of this video, they need a stable majority and the majority built by a system like that would be incredibly unstable.
Hunter Diederichs Yeah... that’s never going to happen. The only chance for a stable majority is fresh elections, and that even could backfire.
The only option on the table should be to leave with no deal , no surrender.
"They're just countries hopping around in shoes" I love it
The countries with shoes at the end was a nice touch. Thanks guys for these videos - I look out for them everyday. Great job.
Three years ago when we first had the result of the referendum Parliment should have set up a cross party Select Committee to look into possible Deals with the EU that could be put to the Government and Parliament.
They could have looked at established deals the EU has with other non EU countries, looked at what various different parties would want with a deal, looked at the legal situation around possible Deals and put the results to an indicative vote to decide the direction that the UK goes in regards brexit.
They didn't they're trying to create a fudge at the very end. This just says to me how incompetant they are
Unfortunately, that's just how humans work. We live in a world where long term planning and forethought over years is crucial but with brains that are equipped to look a few months ahead at best. As much as I disagree with most evolutionary psychology, on this point it seems fairly definitive: we suck at the long term. The short term benefit to ourselves is paramount, the short term gain for our own society often motivated by personal gain, and thinking long term when we might not even be involved (or may even be dead) is so foreign to us that the people who think that way are seen as special. People like Gandhi, MLK Jr, Mandela, Semmelweis (the first person to implement hygiene practices in his hospital), and others are seen in their times as radicals and as heroes in ours.
TL:DR: we suck at the long term because our brains aren't made to process that shit, it wants results now for personal benefit.
You are the man we trust. Thanks mate.
Yep. Unless they revoke Article 50 then we crash out with no deal. I love that Parliament get to vote again and again for the same thing but it's undemocratic to put the question back to the people now that we have more factual information.
I consider these second votes both undemocratic and very very unproductive, the government shouldnt be second guessing its own decisions
I can’t thank you enough for these videos. I’ve previously been out of the loop because the countless news articles everyday are difficult to digest, but putting the information in these clear and concise videos is so helpful. I really respect that you carry out the videos in an impartial manner also, It’s really helping me understand the ins and outs of the situation as a confused teen haha
Funny enough, I just saw Nick having a croissant and a cup of tea at Greggs.
I think you have confused having with serving.
He is my new hero!
@@MSCLTD - £77,000 per year to £17,000 per year I doubt it
Thank for clearing things up!!!
Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him? 💣
Ophelia Bawles no need for guy fawkes just have the queen dissolve parliament and appoint one of her grandchildren as PM
As you wish... Allah Akbar!
@@nine5792
Listen home grown terrorism must have a upside
Commons gets blown up ill except islam in britain
We made pakistan time those helped us
Aviation lord Not Prince Harry.
Dead. He’s dead
"Welcome to McDonalds sir, may I take your ORRRDAAH?"
MPs : "Yes I'll take a large Number NO with a side of NO and another NO without the NO"
This level of impartiality is incredibly refreshing in comparison to the current media/political climate.
Hardly impartial, the last portion of the video is plenty of proof. Its labour that has been unwilling to compromise, not the conservative party.
@@boostav TLDR News is impartial. They just give the facts and let us make up our own minds.
@@theJACKATIC They've stated more than once that they are for remain. Its definitely subtle but the bias is there, that doesn't mean the videos are bad or factually incorrect but there's an inevitable pro remain slant to them. I'm sorry that you don't have the necessary intelligence to see it.
@@boostav Personal attacks say more about your level of intellectual engagement than anything else. It is impossible to be completely unbiased, so of course their personal position is factored in. However, if you read my initial comment you'll see I was making a comparison between TLDR News and the mainstream media. Next.
I’d say that all parties have been unwilling to compromise, why do you think so many people are resigning?
The problem with all of this is every politician wants career gain, they don’t actually care about what we want.
U're spoiling me TLDR. I DIDN'T even bother watching the live proceedings because I knew I would know everything I needed to know from u guys in a matter of hours !! Rock on....
So, with 10 days till no deal, and with no one in parliament able to agree on anything, do you think anything will be passed to soften what is to probably be inevitable for the british?
Pretty Sure May will try to bring her deal one last time
Just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work that you do on this channel, I have been a fan for a long time now and it has been a great resource for me to understand what is going on. I am a Scotsman living in Greece and the information you give has been invaluable to me.
The one true Brexit is no deal
Thank you so much for doing these videos. Thanks to it I can have an actual conversation about Brexit =)
This "aye" or "noe" system is proving totally inadequate for finding compromise. It seems to me like they need some kind of alternative voting system. Like the one defeated in a referendum in 2011.
yup they need a ranking system because then they'd be forced to actually say which ones they prefer and which ones they don't instead of just voting noes because they can't get their way.
These were four votes were for options that no brexiteer would be happy or even content with.
Hey man, really enjoying these vids and forgive me if this has already been answered but would it be possible for you to do a vid on what different factions there are in parliament at the moment? It just seems like no one really has a clue on what's best for the country and yet no one's willing to vote for a deal of any sort but also don't want a no deal Brexit either. What's the plan here? Surely they are aware that continuously saying no will lead to a no deal Brexit and yet they absolutely do not want a No Deal.
So what exactly is it that politicians want from Brexit and why is it so hard to find a compromise? I'm Australian so please forgive me if i seem ignorant.
It's complicated.
The tories or right wing part have a slight majority in parliament but only thanks to a political alliance with the DUP, a fairly minor party in Westminster.
The Tories are led by Theresa May the Prime minister who has stated often enough that their party will try and bring the UK out of the EU. As a result of the referendum in 2016. However this referendum only won a very narrow 52% for leaving and 48% for remaining in the EU.
However in Westminster most MP's don't want to leave the EU and it isn't a popular decision by some Tory rebels and the DUP.
This is because the DUP's constituency is in Northern Ireland, so any deal that doesn't take them into account will be firmly rejected and as a result no majority can easily come out to vote for a leave proposition or some kind of customs union with the EU. (Northern Ireland mainly voted to remain in the EU, along with the SNP the main political party representing Scotland)
Their opposition labour try to push for an agreement or some sort of customs union with the EU, or even a second referendum. However due to a few hardcore brexiteers pushing for a hard brexit it's unlikely they will succeed in any kind of agreement without some Tory rebels supporting them.
So essentially no one can get a majority for any option, except as pointed out in this video 1 or 2 options that might just push into a tiny majority.
Even if that gains a majority it's clear it will never be a strong one, so the final result will probably be heavily criticised by whoever loses by the tiny margin and due to how essentially regionally divided the UK voted in the initial referendum what ever result happens will probably cause a crisis.
I wouldn't be surprised by a general election to be called after this and a second referendum on the Scottish independence is on the table as stated by the SNP.
And on top of that if no clear agreement takes into account Northern Ireland there would almost certainly be some serious issues that come up. Northern Ireland ended the Troubles with the Good friday agreement in April 10th 1998, if a no deal brexit occurs this would probably violate that agreement and a hard border would have to be installed there.
Which would be unbelievably unpopular there.
The whole thing is a big mess.
I don't think even the MPs know what they want. This isn't even a joke, nobody knows what's going on in their heads. Individually, some people have spoken out their beliefs, but those are rare. Rees moog says he wants No Deal, Corbyn says he wants to protect workers rights, the people submitting amendments support their own amendments.
The reason why there's no compromise is largely party lines ("we're tories, let's not vote for labour even if we agree with them", for instance) and electoral strategy to appeal to your constituency's voters.
We know neither what the people wanted out of Brexit, nor what politicians as a whole want of it. I once saw someone summarise it as "the undefined being negociated by the unprepared in order to get the unspecified for the uninformed", and that's pretty much what's going on
I love how you describe them as factions, totally what they've become/always were.
There are three primary forces (that matter in Parliament) around Brexit:
* The Pro-US Brexitors - these are hard neo-liberals that have dollar signs in their eyes at the prospects of deregulated US ways of business, such as reduced food and animal welfare standards, ultra privatisation, reduced vehicle standards. Being in the EU offers some protections from these things, which is why they want out. These are found in the Conservative and UKIP parties, and are responsible for feeding the racist/right with pro-sovereignty propaganda, who don't realise what it's actually about is changing who controls that sovereignty, so it can be more US/WallStreet etc friendly. They want the hard-Brexit as that leaves them most free to create a US-British corporatocracy, making constant references to the world wars, where we were allied to the US while fighting Europe.
* The Pro-EU center - this coalition includes Liberals, who mostly see Brexit as being racist, and don't want to let racists "win", and resist on these grounds (although they will rationalise it in more detail, just like the racist/right, it is fundamentally emotional). You also have business leaders, who haven't been fighting to keep up with education spending in this country, and need immigration as a substitute, which is part of the basis for the resentment that is felt towards immigrants. Importing educated people is cheaper than paying to educate people in your own population - in the short term.
* The Pro-Brexit left - true recovery of our country's population, after a decade of hard austerity that has our streets full of beggers and people no longer able to leave abusive employers - is just no longer capable of happening within the EU, because the EU is highly conservative-centrist/liberal, and resists any radical movement to the left or right. The Maastricht treaty limits wage increases, causing the majority of profits to go to shareholders, forcing a widening of the rich/poor gap, and competition laws forbid nationalising many services to bring prices back under control.
The Pro-Brexit left sees the pro-US right's plan and knows this will be a worse situation, so is trying to set up things like a customs union with the EU - that would prohibit British politicians from creating a bilateral trade and investor rights treaty with the US. The Pro-US Brexitors see this customs union as defeating the whole point of Brexit as they wish it... they want to remove their obstacle, not swap it for another.
None of these three outcomes are compatible with any other... they are all mutually exclusive, none of them have a majority, and none of them see any reason or possibility of getting what they want without denying the other two of what they want... so they are deadlocked, the disagreement is too fundamental.
@@Madhattersinjeans wanting to fully leave the EU is not a "hard-core brexit" it is merely a proper Brexit. Remaining in the main parts of the EU is NOT leaving.
Excellent. Thank you.
Im pretty sure that at this point you ARE the most insightful political commentator on the subject of Brexit
Always clear!
Your work ethic is astounding.
No deal. You mean what folkes voted for.
There is not one chump in the house with the vision and IQ to deliver it and make it work.
Likely because it'd be a dumpster fire. I personally hope no deal happens. I'm right with you.
@@fuzzydunlop7928 anything controlled by this parliament will end badly.
Such a mess. I am not a British and I although I follow this channel and some other news, there are still some points I don't get. Firstly, UK has to be in the single market(or customs union and all these economical things... I cannot say I have a good understanding of all of them XD) in order to keep the GFA as it is now. But then, UK will not be able to negotiate its own trade deals or establish some laws independently from EU. And here is what I don't understand. If there is no deal brexit, there has to be hard borders in NI, right? Isn't it annulling the GFA one-sidedly? If it is, do hard-brexiteers aware of it and just don't care? Is there any consequences(not only socially but also legally) for it? or is it Ireland's problem since they also opt-in staying in the EU so that keeping the GFA as it is not possible?
To me it seems like UK, Ireland, NI and maybe the EU should have negotiated and came up with a solution BEFORE the referendum? and when there is this much technicalities why a so called Remainer parliament went for such referendum? There are not referendum for let's say for the fishing rules or the interest rates? How is this any different with this much technicality and legally binding issues? I would understand if the parliament would opt-in for leaving and they would have plans even for a no-deal brexit (as it stands as a default option).
I don't really blame brexiteers as they are just voicing their opinion and backing it even considering the consequences. But I think the ones to blame who promoted to referendum while being a remainer...( as far as I understand the Tories were this type, correct me if I am wrong)
And as a final question, does anyone hold responsible for all the damage that uncertainty brings, legally? I mean literally if someone throws a stone and breaks a single window or such, they would be judged and the politicians are just free to cause harm to the economy and life of some people while there are no benefits in their agenda or when they have no plans? I am not arguing that whether the politicians should be judged because the laws they pass might cause on harm some people's lives as long as there are some other benefits, long-term plans or unpredictable future events. But in this case, it just seems like they were VERY irresponsible and there were no unpredictable things happened(the problems were on the table at the moment the referendum was hold). And as things are, there are definitely no benefits to any side, not to remainers, nor to brexiteers.
And please correct me if I have written something wrong and I am sorry if I am being disrespectful to anyone. I don't really mean it.
You have just put your finger on this silly putty. Now go wash your hands.
Sounds right to me.
Tories wanted a referendum because they thought that they'd win (remain) and it would prevent their party from splitting.
To become tory leader candidates had to pander to Brexiteers to win. This leads them to insincerely bash the EU. Unpopular, Cameron offered a referendum if he won the next election (which he never believed in a million years). It worked too well and he felt obliged to do it hoping for the best (at that time polls indicated remain would win)
Labour wanted it because it would destroy the tory party. Corbyn is also an anti-EU activist.
Thinking that the EU was obviously best it was difficult for remained to comprehend that they would lose.
Hard Brexit literally means that Britain is canceling its trade deals and instead needs to trade under WTO rules. No one really knows what this will mean for the EU or the UK. Hard Brexit is not necessarily annulling the GFA. As far as I know, it does not specifically state that there is no border between the NI and the RoI. This is part of Schengen, which did not happen until the 80s.
If the UK wants to stay in the Single market it needs to accept the rules and regulation of the EU without having any influence over them. That seems like a stupid idea to me. given the rather large influence that the UK had before and how it in many ways was able to curb more strict regulation which would have hurt its economy.
Of course, there should have been negotiations before any referendum was held. It was meant to be a ploy t appease the anti-European voices in the right-wing by giving them a vote that is easily defeated, so they have to fall back in line with Europe. Unfortunately, no one and I mean no one though Brexit would pass and therefore no one took it seriously. And I include the people that called for the referendum. They just wanted to get more power on a populist platform. Otherwise, there would have been some plans for a positive referendum.
I agree there should have never been a referendum. It is too complicated an issue for a referendum. If a Brexit-deal was structured and people had an understanding of what Brexit means. Then you might be able to get some value from a referendum. Otherwise, it just creates a lot of unnecessary chaos.
I can not tell you if there is any possible legal recourse for the 8 billion in damage Brexit has done to the UK's economy so far. it seems doubtful especially because it was the will of the people. The only possible legal recourse I see is between the EU and the UK. Those are actual bilateral contracts that can be legally enforced but it will depend on what actually happens.
@@SGast The GFA is an international agreement. The involved parties don't really have much to say apart from respecting its contents.
@@SGast As far as I know the GFA does in fact forbid any kind of obstruction on the NI RoI border. And Irish on both sides say that whatever kind of border check you built, it will be bommed the very same night it is erected. I don't really get why that would happen, but they seem VERY sure about that.
Thank you for all of your hard work! It's very pleasing to hear a non-coloured opinion on the brexit topic. The videos are simple and your narrating style is quite enjoyable. Keep the good work going!
All the options they voted on was different forms of remaining... the country voted to leave.
It cannot go on that a parliament of remainers are trying to do the opposite of what we the people voted for.
From a Remainer's perspective, all those options are different forms of leaving. And this is why we will never get anywhere on this matter. For me, nothing short of Revoking Art 50 is good enough. For you nothing short of (presumably) 'no deal' is good enough. :(
@@catsandcrafts171 How is continuing to give the EU money, obey their regulations, have open borders with them, have them negotiate our trade deals etc. "Leaving"?
It is objectively not leaving, and you are objectively anti-democratic for demanding that the decision we voted for be thrown in the trash.
I would have preferred a deal and us leaving on good terms, but the EU is not a reasonable entity. They wrote May's withdrawal agreement and they wrote it as a terms of surrender, like we lost a war or something.
This attack on democracy must not be tolerated.
That our so called representatives are helping the EU undermine our leaving, shows how deep the corruption goes. We are being locked out the decision making process of our own country, by design.
@@AnnoyedDragon you did vote didn't you?
so you voted for this, you always get what you vote for.
jan van ruth If parliament reflected how people actually voted, we would have left by now. For example.
Labour MP Yvette Cooper, active anti-Brexit campaigner, currently pushing for a bill to bar No Deal as an option. Constituency voted 70% Leave in the referendum...
Our parliament has gone off on it's own agenda and has forgotten they are supposed to be democratically elected representatives. This is a symptom of the EU taint on representative democracy, of the political class forgetting their place.
@@AnnoyedDragon i forgot: how much did Boris promise would be put into the National Healthcare extra as a result of leaving the EU?
How many did vote to leave because of that promise?
When I was in elementary school there was a subject called "Basics Of Democracy", and one of the most important lessons from the book was "Compromise".
MP should go back to elementary school, they have a lot to learn.
Thing is, a lot of voters these days hate compromises, so they vote in people who don't either.
This will end up being a no-deal brexit on April the 12th.
Cheers for this!
Hard Brexit is what we voted for
That's at least the second time that woman has said "Yes!" before the larger No vote was announced.
It would be dreadful if May refuses to fulfil any majority that the indicative votes agree on.
Even if she disagrees with the results. It’s not legally binding yes- but so was the Brexit referendum.
And May’s said many times she’s personally against the idea of Brexit but will fulfil it for democracy’s sake.
I see no difference here if parliament decides on a majority.
It will be against the conservative manifesto; if the parliament agreed on a common market on Wednesday (which is very likely), and TM decided to go ahead, that will mean a break down of the conservative party. Potentially, that means giving power to the labour in the upcoming election.
I think that the conservative is facing a very similar situation as the republican during the last election; they had to choose to support Donald Trump and forced to take a side.
@@Daveliuhk we had a very similar problem here in Brazil last election, the workers party forced their hand and we ended up with "Trump meets crack cocaine" for a president.
If you care more about the party than the nation, this is the way to act
May has also said that she will not allow no deal unless MPs vote for it. So it's her deal or no brexit. Which pulls brexiteers over to her side. Except the DUP who've now said no brexit is better than breaking up the Union (which it is).
The impass will not be navigated unless a compromise can be found. An easy solution is for may to add a people's vote to her deal, then the Lib Dems and Labour will back it.
thank you, been waiting for this
No deal, best deal
No deal is the only deal.
Thank you for keeping us up to date in such an entertaining and objective manner.
I think the 🇬🇧 will crash out without a deal. Not enough time now
@@gentlemanvontweed7147 you cant conveniently get rid of all the people outside your tiny bubble...
@An Englishman hah
@An Englishman Amen, brother. I don't think all these EU supporters realize how British excellence will yet again overcome the corruption of France and Germany.
I guess you arent well versed in this debacle? The EU is desperate for our money, they will bend over backwards to ensure there is No deal. Its been so predictable.
@Seb C wow, economic genius over here...........
Subscribes, and it's not really because of the Brexit mess but your ability to simplify and explain things. Well done TLDR News
I must say... MPs sound like a bunch of kids squabbling among each other over who should get the last candy 😅
good work buddy! I know you are working hard!
I have a feeling, that the UK wants all of the previliges that come with the EU, but without having to follow the rules or contributing to the budget.
You are putting forward a very reductionist view of my country here. We also want all the jobs, too.
@@joefox9875
That was a perfect, very British answer.
My goodness. Just leave already! The EU is clearly just punishing you for trying to maintain local control over the island, which demonstrates their malicious nature. Why would you want to remain with people who hate you but want your money?
They are rubbish at this. Though one thing I would like to point out, that so far largely flew under the radar, is the cost of the ting to the British people so far. With so much of the government's time and energy dedicated to Brexit, every other issue, healthcare, education, welfare, etc. has effectively been on a backburner, and they will pay the price for it. Maybe something for a video too.
@An Englishman you'll have to renegociate EVERY internation deal you have and your GDP will drop by 4-9%. So no, you'll have neither
@An Englishman Has it ever occurred to you that you might simply be wrong?! (I know in some respects with absolute certainty that you are, as I was one of those pesky 'experts' in my particular field during my career). I suspect you've never a) negotiated a big deal in your life, b) worked with worldwide regulations and standards, c) worked with any kind of pan EU institution, because otherwise you would understand just what a MASSIVE say we in the UK have, sorry, HAD. We will still be abiding by the vast majority of EU legislation, even if we leave with 'no deal' but we will have no say in developing or amending that legislation. We will be true slaves to the EU.
@An Englishman Because there are no international trade deals between the UK and other countries. They are all between the EU and third-party countries with maybe a few exceptions. This means new trade deals need to be negotiated, which is a lot harder when you are a smaller country. Take China for example for them the UK is but a blip on their radar compared to the combined trading power of the EU.
And a GDP growth of 0.7% is growth but not that much. It is barely above a retracting economy. Experts estimate that Brexit has cost the UK economy 8 billion pounds so far.
@An Englishman Thing is, you would have to renegotiate every tradedeal you're part of even outside of the EU, because now Britain is a much less interesting country to trade with. The EU is a lot more appealing, because it's a much bigger economic block, which most major players prefer to deal with. You have a much less firm negotiating position now than when you were making deals with the other EU members.
If you want proof of this, companies like Nissan and Honda are already moving factories out of the UK, almost a trillion euros worth of financial business in the banking world has moved across the Channel, which will cost the UK government 1% of its budget, simply because of the reduced tax income. You might say that that money would have gone to the EU anyway, and while the UK was a net contributor, a lot of that money flowed back into the UK in the form of subsidies for farmers and nature, mostly.
By doing things this way, they achieve No Deal and a true exit, but they can attempt to shift the blame to the EU for not giving them a deal.
If the hard exit is the legal default then it should have remained on the table, if anything to serve as a reminder of what the result of not coming to a consensus will bring.
It remains the legal default. Despite calls to do so May hasn't taken it off the table so unless EU grants and extension or a solution is agree'd upon we're getting No Deal on the 12th.
@@Archangelsvoid
Exactly. You can vote as many times as you want on the sun not coming up.
But lo and behold, every morning the damned sun ignores your votes and rises again.
If the UK does not sign the deal by April 12th, they ARE OUT. No deal. Period.
I love this channel. Not biased at all to either side, just straight facts and clear information about Brexit. Good job!
the latest vote was encouraging as the votes were close.
And clearly shows parliament will improve want they want to see on the paper and get a consensus.
Thank you! Exactly my point, this is what democracy is, it's messy and takes time.
These are such complicated matters and they should NOT be arriving at a hurried conclusion.
It would've been far more helpful for the government to have allowed the negotiation discussions in parliament far earlier so that this process could evolve in the most robust manner and with plenty of time to spare.
I hope a no deal Brexit comes soon. Praying that they just do what we voted for and leave
Same they need to get it over with. Wto will treat us well. We already have everything for no deal on wto set up and we should make more profit 👍
Anyone else just keep thinking "no likey no lighty....."
NO DEAL
As an objective observer (I'm from Austria), I saw yesterday the whole parliament session and this video brings up all of the important parts of it. It's pretty obvious right now, that the UK government is sabotaging the parliaments work to push their own deal for days now. This is a totally legit strategy, but I'm really sorry for you guys that the future of your country is literally depending on the outcome of some political poker game. Which started already years ago, because even back then it was very clear which options of types of relationship the UK gonna have with the EU.
Well the same thing happened with May's deal, Labour didn't vote for it despite being almost identical to what they're asking (i.e. a soft brexit), so why would you expect the Tories to vote for Labour's motions?
thanks for presentation clarity
no deal it is then
Actually they are just going to be thrown out, aren't they?
Yep, and the way they keep wasting time we might just learn on April 11th that it's no-deal on April 12th.
Way to go in terms of being prepared.
No deal seems to be the way this is going, a smart PM would be trying to make new trade deals, but May is the Neville Chamberlain of this generation.
What happened to the no clapping rule? The entire opposition was at it.
I thought the MPs were not allowed to clap 11:47
Perhaps it was permitted because it was an extraordinary circumstance?
But my thoughts were the same.
I thought the "ban" on clapping in the House of Commons was a convention, not a hard-and-fast rule, i.e. it's something they don't do because they don't do it, not because they're not permitted to do it.
@@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S. looks like a great opportunity for me to introduce the parliament to my patented extra loud vuvuzela. That is at least 650 sales right there!
It is only a long standing tradition that various Speakers have inconsistently enforced in the name of respecting conventions.
The clapping that goes without rebuke most often happens after farewell speeches (which this essentially was.)
I think since parliament is going into a tailspin of endless constitutional crisis and confusion, small conventions like this probably don't even raise an eyebrow. I mean seriously? who cares or give a flying ____ now? Thanks brexit!
UK has had two bloody years to come up with a plan, and they are running around headless 2 weeks before the deadline. Don't deserve an extension. Just take the L and leave