I put TWO on my '21 XLT tonite. A few things.... 1--No need to drill anything, place one of the black washers provided directly onto the the "locating pin" (as you referred to it). Doing this also means that you will have to ALSO sandwich a washer between the pedestal and the swivel at each of the 4 bolts---so that all mounting surfaces will be flush and plumb. So at least 6 washers total between the pedestal and the swivel, one at each bolt and one on the end of the "locating pin" to "countersink" it. Upon final install I actually used spacers equivalent to the thickness of 3 of the supplied washers, otherwise the swivel would hit the plastic clip that retains the trim panel that goes over the tether mount on the rear of the seat. 2-- The "locating pin" is actually the end of a rivet used to secure the power seat motion mechanism and is not used at all for any "locating" purposes. DO NOT GRIND IT OFF!!!!! 3--The seller of this product created a vid for installation of this recently, its not so great, but: th-cam.com/video/CN6h_9JxaRI/w-d-xo.html 4-- In the sellers' vid linked he shows cutting 1" off the plastic skirt on the lateral side of the seat. I took 1-1/4" and it was great. Dremel with a 561 multi-purpose cutting bit worked fantastic. 5-- 2021 model has the heated seat setting button on the dash, rather than on the side of the seat. 6-- I chose not to cut off the child seat tether. Rather I bent it down. I applied 2 adjustable wrenches to the tether and pushed both downward. One faces the windshield the other the rear door, North/South. The one facing the windshield is there to support and offset the force from the other one--so the pedestal does not get all distorted and bent outta shape. 7-- 2021 model has Electronic Parking Brake standard, so none of that messing around on the drives side swivel!!! 8--Nobody really makes mention of it, but be sure to move the forward movement stopping bolt (OEM Black Torx T-45 from the pedestal) to a suitable location on the upper plate of the swivel. I used the forward and medial most leftover slot, and added an additional washer on top and an M6 x 1.0 nylock nut and washer on the bottom. You lose about an inch of forward position movement by doing this but it will not impact anything. The OEM forward most position is absurdly close to the dash anyway! I may source some more elegant hardware and appropriate spacers and create an extended stop bolt that goes into the OEM threads in the pedestal anyway....just that kinda guy, often hate myself for it! 9--But not at all last. Thank you for making this vid Micah! I was definitely hung up on the "locating pin" thing for a minute as well!
Hi Kevin, you mention in #8 you only lose 1” forward motion relocating the stop bolt? I’m trying to envision how that is possible? With the motor that sits between the rails of the seat 1) didn’t you need more lift between top of swivel and bottom of rails so the motor would clear the bolts around the swivel circle? 2) going so far forward to only having 1” less forward motion - wouldn’t that cause the motor between the seat rails to slice the wire bundle in half? Tnx
@@turnpike420 In short: No. The lead wire was amply long and I was able to create a easy, safe, interference free route for the wires, at all seat postitions. Motor and motor carrier frame were also clear of any obstructions without any modifications. Perhaps we are misunderstanding one another? I should add that I did order the AA Swivel that is spec'd for POWER SEAT, this variation is said to be perhaps 3/4" more high than the non-power seat version. I took some measurements and believed that clearance would not be an issue even with the lower non-power AA swivel. In my '21 motor not clearing ANYTHING was not an issue, and NO I did not have to add or modify anything to achieve this. In my research and experience the only situations that might cause what you ask about is when the seat is moved to the most downward position----not fore/aft movement(#8). And I kind of remember reading that other '21 model year owners stating the same, perhaps this implies that the position of the motor and wire bundle has been redesigned? Maybe I can find pics? Or maybe just take my word for it? There were some interference issues on the Driver side, but for me that was related to the 8 giant bolts around the swivel circular plate. IIRC I had to flip bolts at 12/6 o'clock positions to clear the rail that secures the battery box lid.......or something like that.
I did not see a heat button on the side with the position controls. The 2019 has the heat button right below the positioning controls. How much did you cut off? Did you cut both sides or only the outer side with control s?
I do not have a power seat on my 2019 cargo van. got the seat off and there’s a wire (I think it’s the seat belt sensor). Seems like it would prevent the chair from swiveling? Any thoughts?
Thanks for video... the last rotate you did was rotating facing the door rather than the center of van, but than kept going facing center of van facing it front wards. If you keep doing this, just going round and round with the rotation the connection cable underneath is going to get twisted apart eventually, right... Or did I miss something.
Yeah, probably true but it can handle a single spin. Plus the seat belt would get all twisted anyway. Definitely going to have to be mindful of the cables!
great job!! Is there any wiggle/rattle in the seat? How secure does it feel? would you recommend this brand to someone who has the normal passengers console? the one without the exterior switched, but it still has the cup holders and storage pocket (they look almost the same size)?
No it really doesn't rattle. Feels pretty dang secure. Yeah I think it would work for any of the other, I think my configuration is the most difficult to deal with. It's half the price of the scopema but as far as I can tell they look just as secure. (I still have scopema that I didn't use.)
This is super helpful, thanks!!
I put TWO on my '21 XLT tonite. A few things.... 1--No need to drill anything, place one of the black washers provided directly onto the the "locating pin" (as you referred to it). Doing this also means that you will have to ALSO sandwich a washer between the pedestal and the swivel at each of the 4 bolts---so that all mounting surfaces will be flush and plumb. So at least 6 washers total between the pedestal and the swivel, one at each bolt and one on the end of the "locating pin" to "countersink" it. Upon final install I actually used spacers equivalent to the thickness of 3 of the supplied washers, otherwise the swivel would hit the plastic clip that retains the trim panel that goes over the tether mount on the rear of the seat.
2-- The "locating pin" is actually the end of a rivet used to secure the power seat motion mechanism and is not used at all for any "locating" purposes. DO NOT GRIND IT OFF!!!!!
3--The seller of this product created a vid for installation of this recently, its not so great, but: th-cam.com/video/CN6h_9JxaRI/w-d-xo.html
4-- In the sellers' vid linked he shows cutting 1" off the plastic skirt on the lateral side of the seat. I took 1-1/4" and it was great. Dremel with a 561 multi-purpose cutting bit worked fantastic.
5-- 2021 model has the heated seat setting button on the dash, rather than on the side of the seat.
6-- I chose not to cut off the child seat tether. Rather I bent it down. I applied 2 adjustable wrenches to the tether and pushed both downward. One faces the windshield the other the rear door, North/South. The one facing the windshield is there to support and offset the force from the other one--so the pedestal does not get all distorted and bent outta shape.
7-- 2021 model has Electronic Parking Brake standard, so none of that messing around on the drives side swivel!!!
8--Nobody really makes mention of it, but be sure to move the forward movement stopping bolt (OEM Black Torx T-45 from the pedestal) to a suitable location on the upper plate of the swivel. I used the forward and medial most leftover slot, and added an additional washer on top and an M6 x 1.0 nylock nut and washer on the bottom. You lose about an inch of forward position movement by doing this but it will not impact anything. The OEM forward most position is absurdly close to the dash anyway! I may source some more elegant hardware and appropriate spacers and create an extended stop bolt that goes into the OEM threads in the pedestal anyway....just that kinda guy, often hate myself for it!
9--But not at all last. Thank you for making this vid Micah! I was definitely hung up on the "locating pin" thing for a minute as well!
Hi Kevin, you mention in #8 you only lose 1” forward motion relocating the stop bolt? I’m trying to envision how that is possible? With the motor that sits between the rails of the seat 1) didn’t you need more lift between top of swivel and bottom of rails so the motor would clear the bolts around the swivel circle? 2) going so far forward to only having 1” less forward motion - wouldn’t that cause the motor between the seat rails to slice the wire bundle in half? Tnx
@@turnpike420 In short: No. The lead wire was amply long and I was able to create a easy, safe, interference free route for the wires, at all seat postitions. Motor and motor carrier frame were also clear of any obstructions without any modifications.
Perhaps we are misunderstanding one another? I should add that I did order the AA Swivel that is spec'd for POWER SEAT, this variation is said to be perhaps 3/4" more high than the non-power seat version. I took some measurements and believed that clearance would not be an issue even with the lower non-power AA swivel. In my '21 motor not clearing ANYTHING was not an issue, and NO I did not have to add or modify anything to achieve this. In my research and experience the only situations that might cause what you ask about is when the seat is moved to the most downward position----not fore/aft movement(#8). And I kind of remember reading that other '21 model year owners stating the same, perhaps this implies that the position of the motor and wire bundle has been redesigned? Maybe I can find pics? Or maybe just take my word for it?
There were some interference issues on the Driver side, but for me that was related to the 8 giant bolts around the swivel circular plate. IIRC I had to flip bolts at 12/6 o'clock positions to clear the rail that secures the battery box lid.......or something like that.
@@pumpwalker of it helps you see vision of the 2021 powered seat I just posted a video on it. VanTransitions is the channel.
I did not see a heat button on the side with the position controls. The 2019 has the heat button right below the positioning controls. How much did you cut off? Did you cut both sides or only the outer side with control s?
Ended up cutting all the way around. Probably ended up being about an inch or so.
I do not have a power seat on my 2019 cargo van. got the seat off and there’s a wire (I think it’s the seat belt sensor). Seems like it would prevent the chair from swiveling? Any thoughts?
I don't have the same setup. But my wire harness stays put when I swivel. It doesn't pull on it.
Thanks for the video. What was the problem with the Scopema swivel?
Thanks for video... the last rotate you did was rotating facing the door rather than the center of van, but than kept going facing center of van facing it front wards. If you keep doing this, just going round and round with the rotation the connection cable underneath is going to get twisted apart eventually, right... Or did I miss something.
Yeah, probably true but it can handle a single spin. Plus the seat belt would get all twisted anyway.
Definitely going to have to be mindful of the cables!
great job!! Is there any wiggle/rattle in the seat? How secure does it feel? would you recommend this brand to someone who has the normal passengers console? the one without the exterior switched, but it still has the cup holders and storage pocket (they look almost the same size)?
No it really doesn't rattle. Feels pretty dang secure. Yeah I think it would work for any of the other, I think my configuration is the most difficult to deal with. It's half the price of the scopema but as far as I can tell they look just as secure. (I still have scopema that I didn't use.)
Where did you get the swivel?
www.sprinterswivel.com/heavy-duty-f3-swivel-for-2014-2020-ford-transit-150-250-350?fbclid=IwAR38Chv6HNGQURvKJ1aMHChgbaVASJG1i9YVHuvL7wX_hUUJ_4htL3ulsvo