Hey Seth! I officially quitted JWs 4 months ago and I must say that your videos helped me a lot to get through the process. As a JW I was feeling cut from the love of Jesus and I couldn't love him very much in return. Now I can fully live in the love of Christ. So I want to tell you a great thanks for your formidable work, you definitely deserves more views on your chanel. God bless you! Anthony
I'm thrilled to hear that, Anthony! Thank you so much for sharing that with me and praise God you've escaped the Watchtower! I'm delighted that my videos have been of service to you. I hope you've been able to find a Christian church and if you ever have any prayer requests or questions or anything, let me know!
@@theologywithseth You're welcome! And Thank again :) Actually I found most of the answers to my questions in your videos. As a French most of the churches here are Catholics but in the city where I live there are some Lutherian and Calvinist churches, I'm gonna make my choice soon!
@merovingien69 Excellent! I'm a Calvinist myself (a Reformed Baptist to be more precise), but I think you'd do well in a Lutheran church too so go wherever you feel the Spirit leading you. Be sure to drop me an update on your journey every once in a while!
This was excellent! Well prepared and done! I used to be a JW. I officially left in 99. Thanks for putting this together. I look forward to watching more of your videos!
Excellent video. I’m a former JW Elder who recently disassociated from the religion upon inadvertently discovering the true foundation of the religion via their own publication’s romanticizing of a book (WT 2021 Oct pp. 30-31). That incident led me down a deep rabbit hole. Several Things: 1. Since I’m now a proud Apostate, “Apostate Literature” is nothing more than WT’s own literature that’s buried & hidden from current members. 2. Believe it or not, but The Organization has waaaaaaay more false predictions than what you highlighted. It’s actually quite fascinating when you deep dive, & I’m sure I’ve missed some. The last time frame they predicted the end was subtle & heavily implied, & unless u have the original copies, it’s not found; it’s the year 2000. “And if the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the century, which is highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, there would still be survivors of the World War I generation." -WT 1980 Oct 15 p.31 "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." -The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216 “The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century". -WT 1989 Jan 1 p.12. 3. Unfortunately, JWs have been indoctrinated to believe only “The Food” that’s provided by its Governing Body. B/c there’s so much material they’ve been inundated w/, the vast majority (99.5%) r unfamiliar with their own literature. This is by design. The other problem is, they’ve been conditioned to believe Prov. 4:18 is a prophecy of those taking the lead may make errors, but the light will become brighter. Therefore, they have no interest in seeing older material printed, even if it’s just a couple of yrs old. Their philosophy is yesterday’s news is old news, & it doesn’t matter what was said before b/c the light gets brighter. 4. The best way to preach to a JW is to pretend u’re ill informed of the Bible. Ask POV ?’s as they are showing u things. They’re convinced they are the only ones who have the truth. It’s also good to let them read from their bibles, b/c even though is a highly doctored bible, there’s various passages that can’t be refuted.
@@theologywithseth No problem; the other thing I neglected to mention is JW leadership, since its inception under their 1st President, Charles Taze Russell, have this innate ability to gaslight members into thinking their false predictions were nothing more than eager, zealous anticipation by…..THE MEMBERS. They actually blame the members for believing & hoping in these false predictions. Which is why their new GB member, Jeffrey Winder, stated they are not embarrassed by past teachings, & no apology is needed.
I did a complete french translation of the material presented in this video and put it in a google doc. I will present it to my JW friends and maybe, by the grace of god, some of them will the saved from the evil that is this organisation... Brother... this video was of GREAT HELP. Thanks for your work. and... you don't even need my blessings, you are already blessed. haha :P Peace ! And salutations to everyone else watching !
I was a Jehovah’s Witness until I was 39 years old. Now I am an atheist. For what it’s worth, this was one of the best explanations of their failed prophecies I have seen from someone who is not a witness. It is a great video to share with people as well. Thank you for making it.
Thank you for your comment! I'm glad you enjoyed the video and even more glad you escaped the Watchtower. I hope you enjoy the rest of my content in this series!
I've been meeting weekly with a JW coworker for over a year now in hopes of showing him the truth. This is extremely helpful. Thank you for this video!
Please be honest with yourself and actually read the Bible and trust me, you won’t remain an atheist. Only people who haven’t read the Bible for what it actually is are atheists.
@stewartking4928 Hi there! Thank you for being willing to share that with me. I'm glad you found your way out of the Watchtower! Out of curiosity, did you know about any of these prophecies while you were a witness?
Most importantly Yu should also thank them for teaching Yu the word God or scriptures as it is an undiluted word of God , that's the only church that knows how teach christians true not by lying to them with false miracles thats the thing I like about Jehovah witness
My frend go back to God the life yu have choosen will not give Yu nothing but sorrow, the bible says anyone who does the will of God the father is in him.
Congratulations! Your research and presentation is second to none. Did you know that the rank and file members have no access to digitally stored wt literature prior to 1950 (approx) and are actively discouraged from researching original copies, if found? One sees why, when considering your evidence
I didn't know that! It makes sense that the Watchtower would actively discourage looking at older materials, given all the things they're trying to hide. Thank you for watching!
Thank you for this video Seth. I am an ex-JW and now an atheist. There is a lot of material out there that exposes the wrong teachings of this organization, but I would say that this is one of the best. I am confident that your choice of using no apostate material will be helpful for some JWs. Thank you so much, we need more voices like you!
Thank you for putting this together. It's honestly stunning how many times the watchtower did this. You'd think after one or two attempts they'd learn their lesson, but they just kept going and JW's kept coming back for more. I wish they'd heed the words of Jesus, "a healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit and a diseased tree cannot bear good fruit" -Matthew 7:18. Keep up the good work and ignore the nay sayers!
That's a great reminder! Personally, I think it's probably part of the Watchtower's recruitment strategy. Whenever they announce a specific date, it tends to generate a lot of buzz and people begin flocking to the organization. Then by the time the prophecy fails, most people are already locked in and indoctrinated so they don't end up leaving. I'm sure there's a good psychological study about that floating around somewhere. Thanks for watching!
@@vusimngomezulu2500 The WT are false prophets. 12 false prophecies. False Prophets preaching a False gospel to all the nations. You represent a false prophet.
I'm 100% sure one watchtower or awake in 1999 said that this system would not go beyond the year 2000 it was only a few sentences but definitely said it
I've actually had a handful of exJW's tell me that as well! It's just one more clear reason to reject the Watchtower as any kind of legitimate spiritual authority. Thank you for watching!
“Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom.” (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah - How?” Chapter 12, paragraph 9, 1971)
The quote from the New World "Translation", Deuteronomy 18:20 "‘If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him." is THE key phrase that the JW's should keep repeating daily to themselves until they finally understand what it means. Or rather until they stop deluding themselves that they don't know what it means.
I was 10 years old in 1975, born and raised a JW, I felt like my whole life was a lie, I could no longer take it seriously. It lead to years of rebellion I am afraid
“For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matthew 12:37 It’s quite obvious which category WT falls under. This was a really well done video and you’ve just gained a new subscriber. Thank you!
Hey brother, I hope you are well. I'd like to share another treasure from the bible. Concerning this topic of devastation, there are a few observations I have. The first thing to address is the leadership of this group. Yes, they have failed many times, as sinful men do. However, I cannot escape the level of shame I feel for them as they indeed act as though they could actually fulfill prophecy. As far as the scriptures say, only one person can fulfil prophecy. They have indeed misinterpreted Matthew 24:45 (from their incorrection) “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" We see that they have created a distinct class of people from this text. To no surprise they have superimposed themselves in this position. Would it not be a wonder if Jesus himself would set this straight... my dear brother in the faith let us marvel once more at the truth of the matter. John 15:15 "I no longer call you slaves, because a slave does not know what his master does. But I have called you friends, because I have made known to you all the things I have heard from my Father." "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Amen.
Unfortunately, it's never really possible to have discussions about such topics with a Jehovah's Witness. Recently, there was a study article that addressed 'negative reports,' equating them with 'false reports.'
Counter-cult evangelism is certainly not an easy ministry and it's not for those who want quick results and large numbers, but I believe it's still worth a try. We should always remember that God has His Elect within the cults as well and "with God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26). Thank you for watching!
I had seen all these prophecies but didn't know some had different emphasis. Steven Lett, a Governing Body member, said in 2020 something about, "We are in the final part of the final part of the end times." They stay clear of dates these days. 😮
See also Wiki "list of dates predicted for apocalyptic events". Shows other failed prophesied dates by JW's aka IBSA and by Charles Russell (founder). + 1920, 1941
How can I get a copy of your notes? this is very informative. Thank you for your work and making it easier for the rest of us to find these answers. keep doing the good work.
They already "adjusted" the 1914 generation thing by basically overlapping two generations. Look at chapter 1, par 18 of the book “Let Your Kingdom Come”
After 1984, I believe it was 2010 before the "Overlapping Generation" and then 2020 Steven Lett "We are living in the final last of the final last days, shortly before the final last of the last days." (Or something like that). Great video. Not that it would make a difference if I have the screen shots from the link provided if I was faced with a judicial committee (they only want to know "Are you with us or against us?"), but it's good to have.
That's interesting! Thank you for sharing that with me. You never know- you might just run into a JW who's secretly on the fence or having doubts and this info could be what makes the ultimate difference. I appreciate you watching!
Funny how normally you see witnesses coming to their great religions defence in the comment section, but for some weird reason, they're not here to debunk your "lies and false information." I wonder why that is..
That is interesting! I actually noticed that too. None of the "usual suspects" showed up in this one even though I literally gave many of them a direct link. I think that pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the Watchtower's credibility. No one is making a defense because it's truly *indefensible* . Thank you for watching and commenting!
Jesus came back in 1874, then 1914, and In 1919 the cleansed slave class could look forward to ever-expanding activities." Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.16. Likewise Armageddon postponed again and again till 1975. 1925! But not a few, but “millions” now living will never die because they are part of watchtower organization. Wait all this doesn’t matter because this is “old light”, and it is said the light gets brighter and brighter, What?🤪🤯🙏. Sad part is Watchtower denies its members of Holy Spirit, and has them reject the Christ.
For the generation thing, it's actually worse than what you tell here, around 2010 they made an update about it by tweaking the meaning of generation, now they say that two people that live in the same time can be accounted as one generation, so someone that was 25 in 1914, and died in 1980 while knowing his grandson that was born in 1975, they are both one generation, so they bought themselve a few more years.
Oh wow! I didn't realize that. I wonder if they'll include another overlap once that deadline approaches. It's stunning to me how resilient some false prophecies can be in the minds of JW's. Thanks for watching and sharing!
20:21 -- reference is made to "a book called Kingdom Ministry". No, that is not a book, just the internal newsletter, which is still published till this day. You are quoting the newsletter from May 1974.
Can you make a video or comment on what the people that control the JWs get out of deceiving. Is it simply money and land? Is there a paper trail to prove this? This will help a lot thanks.
That's a great question! I'm always hesitant to speculate on people's *true* motives because at the end of the day, I don't really know what a person is thinking. I'd like to think that they sincerely believe they're being led by Jehovah and are simply mistaken, but in light of the information in this video and other facts, I find that hard to accept. If I had to guess, I'd say *money* and *power* are the prime suspects here. Previous Watchtower leaders were less discrete about some of the benefits of being in charge of the Watchtower. Joseph Franklin Rutherford, for example, lived like a millionaire during the Great Depression when other JW's were struggling to make ends meet. He had the organization construct a massive mansion called Beth-Sarim for him, had various homes over seas, and he enjoyed the use of two 16-cylinder Cadillacs. More recent generations of leaders don't flaunt wealth like that so it's harder to spot, but with all the donations they receive, I'm sure they're still tapping into that gold mine some way or another. There's a great TH-cam channel called "Lloyd Evans" who is an ex-JW himself, and I know he has a lot of content related to the inner workings of the organization and how money is handled. I'd recommend perusing his material for further insight into that. I'm mostly just a theology/history guy! Sorry I couldn't be more helpful! Cheers
Russell and Rutherford supported the thought that someone of the "generation" spoken of by Christ would be cognisant of events in 1914. The generation would be at least 10 years of age in 1914. JW that generation has passed away!
My Studies in the Scriptures Vol 2 says the end was supposed to come in 1915. Could the copy you referenced be an earlier printing and after 1914 came and went the book was reprinted with the 1915 date?
You're exactly right! I didn't mention that in the video, but they briefly taught that 1915 would be the battle of Armageddon before changing it to 1918. So technically that would count as yet another failed prophecy. Good call out!
Excellent explanation, coming from an Ex Jw. I wish you would turn that mind on to Christianity itself, and examine the evidence it espouses, but to each their own
Hi there! Thank you for your compliment. I hold all religions to the same standards when it comes to historical evidence. In my opinion, the evidence for the death, deity, and resurrection of Christ (the foundation of Christianity) is solid. However, if there's an equally devastating problem with Christianity as the false prophecy of the Watchtower, let me know and I'd be happy to investigate it!
@theologywithseth I'm sure you've heard all the classical arguments before. I won't change your mind, just like you would have never have changed my mind when I was a Witness. Ultimately belief doesn't come from evidence, as much as we'd like to say it does. Usually once a few assumptions are slipped in, and the proper motivation applied, belief follows. For instance, the idea that the bible itself, of even just the Gospels, are reliable history is an assumption most Christians make. It is treated as a conclusion to be defended instead of a theory to be tested. From that point if view any myriad of excuses can, and must, be made for the various historical inaccuracies, or contradictions, found within. I suspect you wouldn't treat other texts or beliefs that same way. One contradiction in the Quoran, or the book of Mormon.. and bam.. "it's not true, see" but Judas trips in a field and is hung on a tree, and we've got to find excuses. When I left I decided. No more excuses. Not for any of them. If they are true then all evidence we uncover will point to that conclusion, never away from it. We would actually find chariot wheels at the bottom of the red Sea, instead of false stories of chariot wheels. We would actually know if Jesus ministry was 1 or 3 years. We would have genetic evidence that supports that idea that all humans descend from one single pair that lived approximately 250 generations ago, instead we have nothing but genetic evidence basically procluding that possibility, evidence that the Hebrew Bible basically couldn't be written by most of the traditional ascribed authors, and that those who did write it had deep and clear theological differences which were being worked out right in the text itself, thus we get doublet and triplets of the same stories over and over again. Just the same as the evidence that the Watchtower was false is just screaming at you once you see it and leave, but you can't see it until you do. It is the same for Christianity. Once actually seen and not excused, it screams at you.
You might want to take a look and see that they extended that generation to people that knew them too. Uh, if you were born in 1914 and 1918, uh, if you where do somebody that was born in that period it extends south the uh, prophecy. Something like that I forgot the words what It's actually called like you might want to look it up
@@larsen8222 Revelation 16:16 and they(the demons) gathered the king's and armies together at the PLACE called Armageddon. You are correct it's a place, it's modern day Jezreel valley 90 miles north of Jerusalem. All armies gather to get their information then they move on to fight. Jesus puts His feet down in Jerusalem, the war is over Jerusalem. Psalm 122 pray for the peace of Jerusalem. It's always about Jerusalem. Read Zechariah 12-14 this is about that battle. The JW's act like this war is a world war and that it's going to happen at any moment but this is on the last day. There are prophecies that are not yet fulfilled that have to happen first. If you want to learn more about prophecy I recommend Pastor Jack Hibbs and Pastor James Kaddis. This is almost all they teach on and it's so interesting. Pastor James Kaddis has a daily podcast teaching prophecy. Please don't listen to WT nonsense they are uneducated and they are not led by God. Blessings to you.
I love JWs. Being raised in a cult has given me superhuman bullshit detecting powers. I'm actually grateful they ruined my childhood, otherwise I might have grown up to be a moron.
I cannot believe this trash you are throwing out! I am an active Jehovah Witness and neither I nor any of my brothers in the congregation believe or claim to be prophets. We are disciples of Jesus Christ, " THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ". We preach door to door as Jesus taught us and commands us to do in the scriptures. Matthew-28:19 &20. One prophesy I really love is the one that Jesus said that the world hated him and it will hate us too. Your proving that by you slandering commandments. You demean us because because you have been misled, refuse to accept the truth, or you're making good money with your videos putting us down. Think about this. How many are against us, and how many are for us? Then, think about the two roads. The wide one is overcrowded and leads to condemnation and whose on the narrow road that's hardly used leading where?
But they *do* claim to be prophets. I show exactly where and how early on in the video. Always be sure to watch the full video before commenting, friend!
There is no prophecy in the truth . 1914 was the year Jehovah threw out Satan and his followers from heaven and gave him the earth to rule . He told Satan to gather up as meany souls he can because he a short period of. So seen 1914 our earthly ruler has been the devil himself . An remember one thing that generation will see the end of all wickedness.
The problem is, the same people who taught you everything you wrote in that comment also taught that Jesus returned in 1874, that Armageddon would end in 1914, that Christendom would be utterly destroyed in 1918, that Abraham and the Patriarchs would be resurrected to Earth in 1925, and that the thousand-year reign of Christ would begin in 1975. Since they were clearly wrong about all of that, how can you expect me to have any confidence in *anything* they teach today?
1914 requires ancient Jerusalem to be destroyed in 607. It wasn't . Zechariah 7, takes place in 517 BC, there in verse 5, God himself says the Jews had been fasting for 70 years. Counting backwards, they started fasting in 587, when Jerusalem was destroyed. According to Jehovah and the Bible. 607, 1914 and 1919 are LIES.
You can keep on critizing the watchtower if you have no anti covid19 vaccines,not belongs to any religious group,and not casting any votes in every elections conducted in the country where you belong.( John 17:14-16,Romans 11:4,Revelation 13:16,17)
@@ravikeller9626 yes sir.. Revelation 14:9-11 says that those who have the mark of 666 suffers eternal torment..look how 666 works... commercial organizations formulated and created the anti covid19 vaccines..it was purchased by the political organisations,and religious organisations calls the attention of their members to patronize that anti covid19 vaccines and in the kingdom halls of JW,'s there is a signage " no vaccine card,no entry."It is clear that 666 is religion, politics,and commerce,and those who have the vaccine card is a disciple of religious organizations or disciple of political organizations or disciple of commercial organization .
@@ravikeller9626 holy spirit will explain to you based on the bible verses that is related to the issue about covid19 vaccines that is mandatorily imposed (revelation 13:16,17)by the world health organization of the united nations just ask mercy to almighty god -Romans 9:15,16,18 and if he shows mercy in you, you'll be one among what stated in Romans 11:4 and enjoy life without mark of 666.
The non-existence Satan isn't just the lame excuse for JWT. It has been the excuse for every Christian apologist as the convenient fall guy. So no difference.
Jesus clearly stated that no one except GOD knows when the time of the end will be, not even himself. Why do these men put themselves before even the Son of God thinking they can predict the future? Wrong over and over again. Presumptive and misleading.
Having done my own research, I believe that Christianity was invented by Paul, Saul of Tarsus, as a way for Satan to subvert the message of Jesus and the Early Church in Jerusalem. Even the 12 apostles did not buy the gospel of Paul, his own invention, based on so called Revelations directly from Christ. Peter referred to Paul as his enemy, who was teaching a gospel different from theirs. I don't believe Jesus intended for Christianity to be the path of truth. Consequently, most of the New Testament is a creation of Paul and those who follow his gospel. The Letters of James and Jude, and the Saying of Jesus are the only scripture I believe to be truth. The apostles in Jerusalem remained under Torah until they were murdered. Paul had his own, different, beliefs. Amazing how little is written about James the Brother of Jesus, and how much is written about Paul who never met Jesus in life. Satan is working overtime. Is Paul the Anti-Christ?
Hi there! You say that the only Scriptures you believe in are "the sayings of Jesus" and the letters of James & Jude. Can you show me where in those writings Peter refers to Paul as his enemy?
Hi again Deborah! I'm looking more for a chapter and verse, not so much a link to some other TH-cam channel. Can you show me directly from the sayings of Jesus or the letters of James and Jude where the Apostle Peter calls Paul "his enemy" who taught a "different gospel"? Looking forward to hearing from you!
Do your own research. I did mine. Paul was never accepted as an apostle by anyone other than himself. Read Galatians and James. Paul dissed the brothers I Jerusalem and claimed he had hi. OWN gospel.
@deborahgillespiewalter514 Forgive me, but your reply has confused me a bit. You said you only accept the words of Jesus + the letters of James and Jude as Scripture, but now you want me to read Galatians? Isn't that the same letter where Paul recounts his testimony of meeting the Lord Jesus and receiving his revelations directly from him? (Galatians 1:11-12). If you believe that letter is *trustworthy* , then you should embrace Paul as an Apostle. If you believe that letter is *untrustworthy* , you shouldn't use it to build your theology. So which is it?
I am a ex jw and I love Jesus Christ so very much
Let's goooo
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏿
Prayers going out for those who subscribe to the JW doctrine 🕊️
His grace and mercy be upon you and your loved ones 🕊️🥛🍯
Hey Seth!
I officially quitted JWs 4 months ago and I must say that your videos helped me a lot to get through the process. As a JW I was feeling cut from the love of Jesus and I couldn't love him very much in return. Now I can fully live in the love of Christ. So I want to tell you a great thanks for your formidable work, you definitely deserves more views on your chanel.
God bless you!
Anthony
I'm thrilled to hear that, Anthony! Thank you so much for sharing that with me and praise God you've escaped the Watchtower! I'm delighted that my videos have been of service to you. I hope you've been able to find a Christian church and if you ever have any prayer requests or questions or anything, let me know!
@@theologywithseth You're welcome! And Thank again :)
Actually I found most of the answers to my questions in your videos. As a French most of the churches here are Catholics but in the city where I live there are some Lutherian and Calvinist churches, I'm gonna make my choice soon!
@merovingien69 Excellent! I'm a Calvinist myself (a Reformed Baptist to be more precise), but I think you'd do well in a Lutheran church too so go wherever you feel the Spirit leading you. Be sure to drop me an update on your journey every once in a while!
@@theologywithseth I'll sure do!
@@anthoprspBlessings to you. Praise be to the Lord.
This was excellent! Well prepared and done! I used to be a JW. I officially left in 99. Thanks for putting this together. I look forward to watching more of your videos!
I'm so glad you left the Watchtower! Thank you for watching and commenting
This is 144,000% accurate and an excellent video!
This comment is gold! Thank you for watching
I would forgive you for doing this bad joke 77 times, but the 78th time, you better be ready for my Wrath
@@theologywithseth 144,000 times wrong
As a former JW and now a reborn christian you helped me so much Seth to find my way to Christ! God bless you and pls keep up the good work!
@vbasoski9298 I'm so glad to hear it! God bless you, friend
@Theology With Seth, as a former lifelong member of Jehovah's Witnesses, I admire your excellent research and first-rate presentation.
Thank you very much, Roger! (I received your email by the way. I look forward to reading it and I'll reply as soon as I can!)
Excellent video. I’m a former JW Elder who recently disassociated from the religion upon inadvertently discovering the true foundation of the religion via their own publication’s romanticizing of a book (WT 2021 Oct pp. 30-31). That incident led me down a deep rabbit hole.
Several Things:
1. Since I’m now a proud Apostate, “Apostate Literature” is nothing more than WT’s own literature that’s buried & hidden from current members.
2. Believe it or not, but The Organization has waaaaaaay more false predictions than what you highlighted. It’s actually quite fascinating when you deep dive, & I’m sure I’ve missed some. The last time frame they predicted the end was subtle & heavily implied, & unless u have the original copies, it’s not found; it’s the year 2000.
“And if the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the century, which is highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, there would still be survivors of the World War I generation."
-WT 1980 Oct 15 p.31
"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."
-The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216
“The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century".
-WT 1989 Jan 1 p.12.
3. Unfortunately, JWs have been indoctrinated to believe only “The Food” that’s provided by its Governing Body. B/c there’s so much material they’ve been inundated w/, the vast majority (99.5%) r unfamiliar with their own literature. This is by design. The other problem is, they’ve been conditioned to believe Prov. 4:18 is a prophecy of those taking the lead may make errors, but the light will become brighter.
Therefore, they have no interest in seeing older material printed, even if it’s just a couple of yrs old. Their philosophy is yesterday’s news is old news, & it doesn’t matter what was said before b/c the light gets brighter.
4. The best way to preach to a JW is to pretend u’re ill informed of the Bible. Ask POV ?’s as they are showing u things. They’re convinced they are the only ones who have the truth. It’s also good to let them read from their bibles, b/c even though is a highly doctored bible, there’s various passages that can’t be refuted.
That's extremely valuable insight. The Watchtower rabbit hole never ends, it seems. Thank you so much for sharing with me!
@@theologywithseth No problem; the other thing I neglected to mention is JW leadership, since its inception under their 1st President, Charles Taze Russell, have this innate ability to gaslight members into thinking their false predictions were nothing more than eager, zealous anticipation by…..THE MEMBERS. They actually blame the members for believing & hoping in these false predictions.
Which is why their new GB member, Jeffrey Winder, stated they are not embarrassed by past teachings, & no apology is needed.
Thanks for sharing Seth! A devastating truth indeed. 'if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken'
Thank you for checking it out! Glad it was helpful
I did a complete french translation of the material presented in this video and put it in a google doc.
I will present it to my JW friends and maybe, by the grace of god, some of them will the saved from the evil that is this organisation...
Brother... this video was of GREAT HELP. Thanks for your work. and... you don't even need my blessings, you are already blessed. haha :P Peace !
And salutations to everyone else watching !
I'm so glad it was helpful! God bless you as well and I'll be praying for any Jehovah's Witnesses you may encounter
I was a Jehovah’s Witness until I was 39 years old. Now I am an atheist. For what it’s worth, this was one of the best explanations of their failed prophecies I have seen from someone who is not a witness. It is a great video to share with people as well. Thank you for making it.
Thank you for your comment! I'm glad you enjoyed the video and even more glad you escaped the Watchtower. I hope you enjoy the rest of my content in this series!
I've been meeting weekly with a JW coworker for over a year now in hopes of showing him the truth. This is extremely helpful. Thank you for this video!
I'm so glad! I'll be sure to keep your coworker in my prayers. Cheers!
Your JW coworker has been meeting with you for over a year now in hopes of recruiting you and your family into his cult. Good luck.
I am an ex JW. I was in it for 40 years. Well, wasted 40 years. I am now an atheist but I appreciate this.
Welcome to a safe place.
Please be honest with yourself and actually read the Bible and trust me, you won’t remain an atheist. Only people who haven’t read the Bible for what it actually is are atheists.
@stewartking4928 Hi there! Thank you for being willing to share that with me. I'm glad you found your way out of the Watchtower! Out of curiosity, did you know about any of these prophecies while you were a witness?
Most importantly Yu should also thank them for teaching Yu the word God or scriptures as it is an undiluted word of God , that's the only church that knows how teach christians true not by lying to them with false miracles thats the thing I like about Jehovah witness
My frend go back to God the life yu have choosen will not give Yu nothing but sorrow, the bible says anyone who does the will of God the father is in him.
Congratulations! Your research and presentation is second to none. Did you know that the rank and file members have no access to digitally stored wt literature prior to 1950 (approx) and are actively discouraged from researching original copies, if found? One sees why, when considering your evidence
I didn't know that! It makes sense that the Watchtower would actively discourage looking at older materials, given all the things they're trying to hide. Thank you for watching!
Thank you for this video Seth.
I am an ex-JW and now an atheist. There is a lot of material out there that exposes the wrong teachings of this organization, but I would say that this is one of the best. I am confident that your choice of using no apostate material will be helpful for some JWs.
Thank you so much, we need more voices like you!
I appreciate that! I'm glad you made it out of the Watchtower. I have a whole playlist on JW's so if you want to see more, I hope you'll check it out!
“Satan made you think what we said was true !”
-watchtower - every fortnight
NOW THEY HAVE SOME BS ABOUT "OVERLAPPING GENERATIONS"
Thank you for putting this together. It's honestly stunning how many times the watchtower did this. You'd think after one or two attempts they'd learn their lesson, but they just kept going and JW's kept coming back for more. I wish they'd heed the words of Jesus, "a healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit and a diseased tree cannot bear good fruit" -Matthew 7:18. Keep up the good work and ignore the nay sayers!
That's a great reminder! Personally, I think it's probably part of the Watchtower's recruitment strategy. Whenever they announce a specific date, it tends to generate a lot of buzz and people begin flocking to the organization. Then by the time the prophecy fails, most people are already locked in and indoctrinated so they don't end up leaving. I'm sure there's a good psychological study about that floating around somewhere. Thanks for watching!
@@vusimngomezulu2500 The WT are false prophets. 12 false prophecies. False Prophets preaching a False gospel to all the nations.
You represent a false prophet.
@@vusimngomezulu2500 please watch and listen to this video. Very informative.
If you read Acts 1:7 he told his followers not to be doing this
“It’s not false prophecy when WE do it!!”
-watchtower - every fortnight
I'm 100% sure one watchtower or awake in 1999 said that this system would not go beyond the year 2000 it was only a few sentences but definitely said it
I've actually had a handful of exJW's tell me that as well! It's just one more clear reason to reject the Watchtower as any kind of legitimate spiritual authority. Thank you for watching!
“Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom.” (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah - How?” Chapter 12, paragraph 9, 1971)
The quote from the New World "Translation", Deuteronomy 18:20 "‘If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him." is THE key phrase that the JW's should keep repeating daily to themselves until they finally understand what it means. Or rather until they stop deluding themselves that they don't know what it means.
I was 10 years old in 1975, born and raised a JW, I felt like my whole life was a lie, I could no longer take it seriously. It lead to years of rebellion I am afraid
“For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matthew 12:37
It’s quite obvious which category WT falls under. This was a really well done video and you’ve just gained a new subscriber. Thank you!
I appreciate that! Welcome to the channel
From someone from the inside, this video is very honest..
I appreciate you being willing to share that with me. Wishing you all the best, my friend! Welcome to the channel
As a Witness for 45 years before I woke up. I can assure you that Watchtower hates when people use their own literature against them. 😂
Hey brother,
I hope you are well.
I'd like to share another treasure from the bible.
Concerning this topic of devastation, there are a few observations I have.
The first thing to address is the leadership of this group.
Yes, they have failed many times, as sinful men do.
However, I cannot escape the level of shame I feel for them
as they indeed act as though they could actually fulfill prophecy.
As far as the scriptures say, only one person can fulfil prophecy.
They have indeed misinterpreted Matthew 24:45 (from their incorrection)
“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics,
to give them their food at the proper time?"
We see that they have created a distinct class of people from this text.
To no surprise they have superimposed themselves in this position.
Would it not be a wonder if Jesus himself would set this straight...
my dear brother in the faith let us marvel once more at the truth of the matter. John 15:15
"I no longer call you slaves, because a slave does not know what his master does.
But I have called you friends, because I have made known to you all the things
I have heard from my Father."
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
Amen.
Unfortunately, it's never really possible to have discussions about such topics with a Jehovah's Witness. Recently, there was a study article that addressed 'negative reports,' equating them with 'false reports.'
Counter-cult evangelism is certainly not an easy ministry and it's not for those who want quick results and large numbers, but I believe it's still worth a try. We should always remember that God has His Elect within the cults as well and "with God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26). Thank you for watching!
I had seen all these prophecies but didn't know some had different emphasis. Steven Lett, a Governing Body member, said in 2020 something about, "We are in the final part of the final part of the end times."
They stay clear of dates these days. 😮
You mean the final part of the final part of the final part of the last of the last of the last days?😂
@rhondahart2416 I don't think Steve could even unravel 'the final or last' anymore. All mix-em-up'em 🤣
See also Wiki "list of dates predicted for apocalyptic events". Shows other failed prophesied dates by JW's aka IBSA and by Charles Russell (founder). + 1920, 1941
Good point! It's amazing how many times they did that
Good job with this video
I appreciate that! I hope it proves helpful in your future encounters with the JW's!
Great video brother!!! They have my address black listed.I'm gonna have to start using other people's address
Haha that's a good idea! Thank you for watching and commenting. You'll have to let me know if they ever come to your house again!
How can I get a copy of your notes? this is very informative. Thank you for your work and making it easier for the rest of us to find these answers. keep doing the good work.
Hi @joserangel1887! If you'll drop me your email, I'll get those notes to you if you like
They already "adjusted" the 1914 generation thing by basically overlapping two generations. Look at chapter 1, par 18 of the book “Let Your Kingdom Come”
Thank you
In 2012 they changed to "Overlapping Generations"
Jesus said, he, doesn't even know when The End will come - Should anyone even be trying to work it out? Am glad I stopped worshipping false prophets.
That's true! It's very presumptuous to try and predict an end date because then you'd be claiming knowledge that even the Son of God lacked. Cheers!
After 1984, I believe it was 2010 before the "Overlapping Generation" and then 2020 Steven Lett "We are living in the final last of the final last days, shortly before the final last of the last days." (Or something like that).
Great video. Not that it would make a difference if I have the screen shots from the link provided if I was faced with a judicial committee (they only want to know "Are you with us or against us?"), but it's good to have.
That's interesting! Thank you for sharing that with me. You never know- you might just run into a JW who's secretly on the fence or having doubts and this info could be what makes the ultimate difference. I appreciate you watching!
Funny how normally you see witnesses coming to their great religions defence in the comment section, but for some weird reason, they're not here to debunk your "lies and false information." I wonder why that is..
That is interesting! I actually noticed that too. None of the "usual suspects" showed up in this one even though I literally gave many of them a direct link. I think that pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the Watchtower's credibility. No one is making a defense because it's truly *indefensible* . Thank you for watching and commenting!
JW's say those were not false prophecies just misunderstandings because the light gets brighter ‼️
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They are not witnesses, they are liars....
Sheep always fearful of the wolf only to be eaten by the Shepard...
I've always said that a shepherd is a wicked man
Jesus came back in 1874, then 1914, and In 1919 the cleansed slave class could look forward to ever-expanding activities." Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.16. Likewise Armageddon postponed again and again till 1975. 1925! But not a few, but “millions” now living will never die because they are part of watchtower organization. Wait all this doesn’t matter because this is “old light”, and it is said the light gets brighter and brighter, What?🤪🤯🙏. Sad part is Watchtower denies its members of Holy Spirit, and has them reject the Christ.
And now they gaslight their members by pretending these predictions came from 'over enthusiastic brothers' rather than the very top.
For the generation thing, it's actually worse than what you tell here, around 2010 they made an update about it by tweaking the meaning of generation, now they say that two people that live in the same time can be accounted as one generation, so someone that was 25 in 1914, and died in 1980 while knowing his grandson that was born in 1975, they are both one generation, so they bought themselve a few more years.
Oh wow! I didn't realize that. I wonder if they'll include another overlap once that deadline approaches. It's stunning to me how resilient some false prophecies can be in the minds of JW's. Thanks for watching and sharing!
@@theologywithsethaccording to the current teaching the “generation” cannot overlap again.
Prophecies have been misinterpreted by self-appointed preachers!They are not God’s servants or messengers at all.
First!
20:21 -- reference is made to "a book called Kingdom Ministry". No, that is not a book, just the internal newsletter, which is still published till this day. You are quoting the newsletter from May 1974.
Thank you for the clarification!
Duet 18: 20
Can you make a video or comment on what the people that control the JWs get out of deceiving. Is it simply money and land? Is there a paper trail to prove this? This will help a lot thanks.
That's a great question! I'm always hesitant to speculate on people's *true* motives because at the end of the day, I don't really know what a person is thinking. I'd like to think that they sincerely believe they're being led by Jehovah and are simply mistaken, but in light of the information in this video and other facts, I find that hard to accept.
If I had to guess, I'd say *money* and *power* are the prime suspects here. Previous Watchtower leaders were less discrete about some of the benefits of being in charge of the Watchtower. Joseph Franklin Rutherford, for example, lived like a millionaire during the Great Depression when other JW's were struggling to make ends meet. He had the organization construct a massive mansion called Beth-Sarim for him, had various homes over seas, and he enjoyed the use of two 16-cylinder Cadillacs.
More recent generations of leaders don't flaunt wealth like that so it's harder to spot, but with all the donations they receive, I'm sure they're still tapping into that gold mine some way or another. There's a great TH-cam channel called "Lloyd Evans" who is an ex-JW himself, and I know he has a lot of content related to the inner workings of the organization and how money is handled. I'd recommend perusing his material for further insight into that. I'm mostly just a theology/history guy! Sorry I couldn't be more helpful! Cheers
Didn’t they make an addendum to the Generation of 1914 prophecy? The Overlapping Generation
Russell and Rutherford supported the thought that someone of the "generation" spoken of by Christ would be cognisant of events in 1914. The generation would be at least 10 years of age in 1914. JW that generation has passed away!
My Studies in the Scriptures Vol 2 says the end was supposed to come in 1915. Could the copy you referenced be an earlier printing and after 1914 came and went the book was reprinted with the 1915 date?
You're exactly right! I didn't mention that in the video, but they briefly taught that 1915 would be the battle of Armageddon before changing it to 1918. So technically that would count as yet another failed prophecy. Good call out!
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Excellent explanation, coming from an Ex Jw. I wish you would turn that mind on to Christianity itself, and examine the evidence it espouses, but to each their own
Hi there! Thank you for your compliment. I hold all religions to the same standards when it comes to historical evidence. In my opinion, the evidence for the death, deity, and resurrection of Christ (the foundation of Christianity) is solid. However, if there's an equally devastating problem with Christianity as the false prophecy of the Watchtower, let me know and I'd be happy to investigate it!
@theologywithseth I'm sure you've heard all the classical arguments before. I won't change your mind, just like you would have never have changed my mind when I was a Witness. Ultimately belief doesn't come from evidence, as much as we'd like to say it does. Usually once a few assumptions are slipped in, and the proper motivation applied, belief follows.
For instance, the idea that the bible itself, of even just the Gospels, are reliable history is an assumption most Christians make. It is treated as a conclusion to be defended instead of a theory to be tested. From that point if view any myriad of excuses can, and must, be made for the various historical inaccuracies, or contradictions, found within.
I suspect you wouldn't treat other texts or beliefs that same way. One contradiction in the Quoran, or the book of Mormon.. and bam.. "it's not true, see" but Judas trips in a field and is hung on a tree, and we've got to find excuses.
When I left I decided. No more excuses. Not for any of them. If they are true then all evidence we uncover will point to that conclusion, never away from it. We would actually find chariot wheels at the bottom of the red Sea, instead of false stories of chariot wheels. We would actually know if Jesus ministry was 1 or 3 years. We would have genetic evidence that supports that idea that all humans descend from one single pair that lived approximately 250 generations ago, instead we have nothing but genetic evidence basically procluding that possibility, evidence that the Hebrew Bible basically couldn't be written by most of the traditional ascribed authors, and that those who did write it had deep and clear theological differences which were being worked out right in the text itself, thus we get doublet and triplets of the same stories over and over again.
Just the same as the evidence that the Watchtower was false is just screaming at you once you see it and leave, but you can't see it until you do. It is the same for Christianity. Once actually seen and not excused, it screams at you.
Do we need to purchase the receipts for this information? Because on the link it doesn’t show anything but asks for payment
You might want to take a look and see that they extended that generation to people that knew them too. Uh, if you were born in 1914 and 1918, uh, if you where do somebody that was born in that period it extends south the uh, prophecy. Something like that I forgot the words what It's actually called like you might want to look it up
I realize this is not the point of the video but whenever I see "Jehovah" used for the Tetragrammaton I cringe in amateur linguist.
Isnt Armageddom a place not an event?
@@larsen8222 Revelation 16:16 and they(the demons) gathered the king's and armies together at the PLACE called Armageddon.
You are correct it's a place, it's modern day Jezreel valley 90 miles north of Jerusalem.
All armies gather to get their information then they move on to fight.
Jesus puts His feet down in Jerusalem, the war is over Jerusalem.
Psalm 122 pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
It's always about Jerusalem.
Read Zechariah 12-14 this is about that battle.
The JW's act like this war is a world war and that it's going to happen at any moment but this is on the last day.
There are prophecies that are not yet fulfilled that have to happen first.
If you want to learn more about prophecy I recommend Pastor Jack Hibbs and Pastor James Kaddis. This is almost all they teach on and it's so interesting. Pastor James Kaddis has a daily podcast teaching prophecy.
Please don't listen to WT nonsense they are uneducated and they are not led by God.
Blessings to you.
WITCHTOWER is LED BY (GB) "GASLIGHTING BUDDIES"😮😮😮
I love JWs. Being raised in a cult has given me superhuman bullshit detecting powers. I'm actually grateful they ruined my childhood, otherwise I might have grown up to be a moron.
What do you say is the correct Bible with no add ons
You can explain them? I can't understand any of them.
I cannot believe this trash you are throwing out!
I am an active Jehovah Witness and neither I nor any of my brothers in the congregation believe or claim to be prophets. We are disciples of Jesus Christ, " THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ". We preach door to door as Jesus taught us and commands us to do in the scriptures. Matthew-28:19 &20.
One prophesy I really love is the one that Jesus said that the world hated him and it will hate us too. Your proving that by you slandering commandments. You demean us because because you have been misled, refuse to accept the truth, or you're making good money with your videos putting us down.
Think about this. How many are against us, and how many are for us? Then, think about the two roads. The wide one is overcrowded and leads to condemnation and whose on the narrow road that's hardly used leading where?
But they *do* claim to be prophets. I show exactly where and how early on in the video. Always be sure to watch the full video before commenting, friend!
Read psalms 102: 15. Its very important.
Yup Armageddon not happening
You didn’t waste your time you wasted Jehovah’s time . Because he will never stop believing in you
Stop trying to bring the Jehovah’s Witnesses down . Sir you know nothing.
There is no prophecy in the truth . 1914 was the year Jehovah threw out Satan and his followers from heaven and gave him the earth to rule . He told Satan to gather up as meany souls he can because he a short period of. So seen 1914 our earthly ruler has been the devil himself . An remember one thing that generation will see the end of all wickedness.
The problem is, the same people who taught you everything you wrote in that comment also taught that Jesus returned in 1874, that Armageddon would end in 1914, that Christendom would be utterly destroyed in 1918, that Abraham and the Patriarchs would be resurrected to Earth in 1925, and that the thousand-year reign of Christ would begin in 1975. Since they were clearly wrong about all of that, how can you expect me to have any confidence in *anything* they teach today?
1914 requires ancient Jerusalem to be destroyed in 607. It wasn't . Zechariah 7, takes place in 517 BC, there in verse 5, God himself says the Jews had been fasting for 70 years. Counting backwards, they started fasting in 587, when Jerusalem was destroyed. According to Jehovah and the Bible.
607, 1914 and 1919 are LIES.
You can keep on critizing the watchtower if you have no anti covid19 vaccines,not belongs to any religious group,and not casting any votes in every elections conducted in the country where you belong.( John 17:14-16,Romans 11:4,Revelation 13:16,17)
Huh??
@@ravikeller9626 yes sir.. Revelation 14:9-11 says that those who have the mark of 666 suffers eternal torment..look how 666 works... commercial organizations formulated and created the anti covid19 vaccines..it was purchased by the political organisations,and religious organisations calls the attention of their members to patronize that anti covid19 vaccines and in the kingdom halls of JW,'s there is a signage " no vaccine card,no entry."It is clear that 666 is religion, politics,and commerce,and those who have the vaccine card is a disciple of religious organizations or disciple of political organizations or disciple of commercial organization .
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
@@rehcoorijola4598Might need you to explain that
@@ravikeller9626 holy spirit will explain to you based on the bible verses that is related to the issue about covid19 vaccines that is mandatorily imposed (revelation 13:16,17)by the world health organization of the united nations just ask mercy to almighty god -Romans 9:15,16,18 and if he shows mercy in you, you'll be one among what stated in Romans 11:4 and enjoy life without mark of 666.
The non-existence Satan isn't just the lame excuse for JWT. It has been the excuse for every Christian apologist as the convenient fall guy. So no difference.
Jesus clearly stated that no one except GOD knows when the time of the end will be, not even himself. Why do these men put themselves before even the Son of God thinking they can predict the future? Wrong over and over again. Presumptive and misleading.
Im not following you just because u said u r a Christian. I was a JW. And im following some ex jw. I should leave Christianity.
??? I’m not following. Can you explain?
Having done my own research, I believe that Christianity was invented by Paul, Saul of Tarsus, as a way for Satan to subvert the message of Jesus and the Early Church in Jerusalem. Even the 12 apostles did not buy the gospel of Paul, his own invention, based on so called Revelations directly from Christ. Peter referred to Paul as his enemy, who was teaching a gospel different from theirs. I don't believe Jesus intended for Christianity to be the path of truth. Consequently, most of the New Testament is a creation of Paul and those who follow his gospel. The Letters of James and Jude, and the Saying of Jesus are the only scripture I believe to be truth. The apostles in Jerusalem remained under Torah until they were murdered. Paul had his own, different, beliefs. Amazing how little is written about James the Brother of Jesus, and how much is written about Paul who never met Jesus in life. Satan is working overtime. Is Paul the Anti-Christ?
Hi there! You say that the only Scriptures you believe in are "the sayings of Jesus" and the letters of James & Jude. Can you show me where in those writings Peter refers to Paul as his enemy?
, research. Tube chanel 911 EVERLASTING GOSPEL. Apostle Paul, the false apostle and the first anti-christ. Lots of bible references and details.
Hi again Deborah! I'm looking more for a chapter and verse, not so much a link to some other TH-cam channel. Can you show me directly from the sayings of Jesus or the letters of James and Jude where the Apostle Peter calls Paul "his enemy" who taught a "different gospel"? Looking forward to hearing from you!
Do your own research. I did mine. Paul was never accepted as an apostle by anyone other than himself. Read Galatians and James. Paul dissed the brothers I Jerusalem and claimed he had hi. OWN gospel.
@deborahgillespiewalter514 Forgive me, but your reply has confused me a bit. You said you only accept the words of Jesus + the letters of James and Jude as Scripture, but now you want me to read Galatians? Isn't that the same letter where Paul recounts his testimony of meeting the Lord Jesus and receiving his revelations directly from him? (Galatians 1:11-12). If you believe that letter is *trustworthy* , then you should embrace Paul as an Apostle. If you believe that letter is *untrustworthy* , you shouldn't use it to build your theology. So which is it?