Can an Ice Tool Leash Hold You?

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  • Dave sent me some ice tool leashes that his friend claimed caught him during a fall. He wasn't convinced that actually happened and after dropping 160lbs on these leashes, I'm not convinced either.
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  • @HowNOT2
    @HowNOT2  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

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  • @PuReWiReZ
    @PuReWiReZ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    You want the axe to come out and go flying towards you, that way you can cinematically snatch it from the air and tranform its momentum into just enough rotation to let you swing it at the ice wall and catch yourself on one arm. Geez, I've never climbed anything but even I've seen a movie. Lol

    • @versusgravity
      @versusgravity 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you're interested in real world data I took a lead fall, my very first in 15 years, a couple of weeks ago and the leash did hold.

    • @PuReWiReZ
      @PuReWiReZ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@versusgravity but did you even try to save yourself with a mid air spinning axe maneuver? Jk

    • @TheUncleRuckus
      @TheUncleRuckus 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @versusgravity
      @versusgravity 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@PuReWiReZ I've been watching a lot of TH-cam videos, so I'm close...

  • @hardrocklobsterroll395
    @hardrocklobsterroll395 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    That mythbusters logo goes hard. Gotta have your welder make an official nut buster sign

  • @armannragnar
    @armannragnar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Check out the Black Diamond user instructions for the Spinner Leash. It has artwork of a man falling on his leash, only to have the ice tool impaled in his eye. Probably the best image in any gear user manual.

  • @foobar9220
    @foobar9220 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    "Falling" in the story probably was sliding. Which may just be enough to stay below 2kN

  • @mikegruber1771
    @mikegruber1771 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Fall on a grivel leash once. Hold my fall. Tool was ahead of my body. While dry tooling. I think grovel leash is rated for 5kn

    • @Friendfox
      @Friendfox 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      blue ice also make a rated one that caught me

    • @Govanification
      @Govanification 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I have two of the older grivel springy leash, which have a small locking carabiner on the end with "max 780 kg" stamped on it (equals ~7.6 kN) but no rating for the fabric part. I took a sliding factor 1 fall onto the leash on steep snow with my ice axe shaft buried, and it held me. That leash is a little stretched out now but no signs of stitch failure, carabiner works fine. Probably wasn't more than a kN or 2.

    • @Friendfox
      @Friendfox 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Govanification yeah my blue ice boa is also permanently stretched a little.

    • @ceecadventure7599
      @ceecadventure7599 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ditto for my grivel leash

  • @Heartbeat_Adventures
    @Heartbeat_Adventures 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love the mythbusters parody! wonderful information and comedy all in one. Thanks Ryan & team!

  • @simonsimon9880
    @simonsimon9880 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Theres a whole world of space between gently hanging on your leash, and anynif the falls in your test.

  • @NNPerfection
    @NNPerfection 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fell on Sunday. Leashes held, had it clipped to my side loops . Hurt my side but leashes were fine. They were very dynamic leashes. Also was on top rope.
    Ice axes stayed in ice

  • @andyman127
    @andyman127 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    most guides recommend having the tool leashes connected to the rope and not to you when following... so the tools don't get spring launched into your face.

    • @Govanification
      @Govanification 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is really good advice. Also seems to make slightly less of a cluster with 2 leashes.

  • @flammedesphonix2798
    @flammedesphonix2798 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I want the eye on an Ice axe tested, considering that you can build emergency anchors with it.

    • @Mike-oz4cv
      @Mike-oz4cv 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have a Petzl Sum'Tec in front of me. The eyelet in the spike looks at least as strong as a bolt hanger. So I’d say >20kN.

  • @Joshwagga
    @Joshwagga 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Fell on a petzl leash. Gate slipped out of the hinge. Easy fix and back to normal

  • @SkyWarnEngineer
    @SkyWarnEngineer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Living for the Mythbusters callbacks

  • @lukeaurand5722
    @lukeaurand5722 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I fell on an ice took leash a few month back on an alpine mixed route. Leash snapped almost immediately. Broke the pommel off my tool. I do think leashes are a necessity on hard alpine routes so you don’t drop a tool still

  • @vega1287
    @vega1287 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well you still have to consider that some alloys of steel break lower when they are cold (-20c) to (-60c), alumimium dosn't have that property. The way they normally test that is by the notch cut punch experiment.

  • @markifi
    @markifi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    we're going to need an MBS on that cardboard sign at the end

  • @macmurfy2jka
    @macmurfy2jka 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I had a tether catch me on the auto belay in the gym. I was using a Furnace Dry ice tool pro.
    That was really annoying.
    Now I yank tools free if I pop at the gym.

    • @DVHdrytooler
      @DVHdrytooler 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s why you should attach the tools to the rope or autobelay-sling not to your harness

    • @macmurfy2jka
      @macmurfy2jka 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DVHdrytooler yet, I must try to remember that! Thanks

  • @theatermusic87
    @theatermusic87 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are they breakaway? In the ARB industry we have tool leashes that are designed to fail if the chainsaw gets stuck in a falling piece of wood. Some of them even have warnings not to use with certain weight saws since dropping the saw into the leash by itself is enough for it to break away

  • @MikeReid
    @MikeReid 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've always wanted to see a video testing tethers...love it bro!!!

  • @johneperkin
    @johneperkin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    ....why haven't we seen the drop tower in a while...?

    • @jonathancorbett5917
      @jonathancorbett5917 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      He moved away from the area and it takes several hours to drive to the drop tower, that combined with now running his own store makes it hard to justify the time when a tree will suffice.

  • @michaeljenkins5155
    @michaeljenkins5155 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I fell on my dmm spinner leash with dmm XSRE carabiner and it held on one axe with no problem

  • @ModernMountaineering
    @ModernMountaineering 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting results. Was also suprised by the last test

  • @JumperTheHunter
    @JumperTheHunter 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Friend of mine had a soft Fall and the leash Held him. Still scary if the Tool pops out. I only use leashes on easy multi pitches or north faces

  • @thomasdalton1508
    @thomasdalton1508 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    An idealised factor 0 fall (ie. no slack in the rope, you only fall due to the stretch, and the rope functions as an ideal spring) gives you a peak acceleration of 2g, so if you were doing anything more than factor 0 it isn't surprising you were getting more than 2kN. 2g with 160lb would have been 1.4kN. It looks like you were getting between 3g and 4g. With a rigid weight on a static leash, even a small fall could easily generate that.

  • @tuukkawahtera4346
    @tuukkawahtera4346 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you break test those utility carabiners that have a rating? DMM makes ones with 4kN.They're not meant for climbing but a friend wants to know if they could be used to extend small nuts which have a rating below that anyway :)

  • @dragade101
    @dragade101 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the CAD Busted sign lol

  • @kadmow
    @kadmow 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So - keep the slack out of your ice system.... (Ice isn't all that strong, if you only have a bigwall-hook in it...)

  • @cdans2202
    @cdans2202 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Mythbusters style is great!

  • @FeeblePenguin
    @FeeblePenguin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With nearly 3kn, I believe it - humans are very squishy compared to the falling block

  • @ichwillquark
    @ichwillquark 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How much time did you invest in the busted scene at the end? I would probably spend more time with trying to get that right than with the actual test 😂

  • @jessekeough7708
    @jessekeough7708 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I fell on a BD leash, it held (barely) the carabiner was bent open but it didn't break

    • @lukeaurand5722
      @lukeaurand5722 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I did too. Mine broke at the carabiner pretty quick

  • @matiaskorten
    @matiaskorten 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should test this on a real ice axe. I'm pretty sure the carabiner would break at lower forces. I've seen it.

    • @lukeaurand5722
      @lukeaurand5722 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep. I fell on one and it broke at the carabiner

  • @JavierBriz
    @JavierBriz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6kn and the carabineer becomes an ice hook

  • @bt5294
    @bt5294 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where is the drop tower?

  • @michaelandersen4433
    @michaelandersen4433 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you test what happens if you hit the rope you are hanging on with a ice pick?

    • @CFEF44AB1399978B0011
      @CFEF44AB1399978B0011 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had to lower someone who hit the rope, tool through the core. Rope was fine for lowering, but we removed that section. It was a really interesting coreshot, tiny hole.

    • @stephanmantler
      @stephanmantler 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pit Schubert (legendary alpine safety guru at the German DAV) did a study years ago with people stepping onto ropes with crampons. If I remember correctly the only noticeable degradation occurred when it was with brand new, honed (super sharp) competition crampons, all others were effectively too blunt to actually cut any substantial amount of core fibers. Pretty sure it is similar with ice tools. There is a huge difference though if the rope is loose (so the fibres can basically move out of the way) or under substantial tension (more likely for the core to get cut) -- fortunately if you are making moves with your ice tools you're most likely climbing and there will be some slack in the rope.
      I'm with @CFEF44... though -- any rope section that has been subjected to such abuse is best removed.

  • @ikarosdream5971
    @ikarosdream5971 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What ever happened to the drop tower?

  • @juliansteinberger4223
    @juliansteinberger4223 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guy i need your opinion, is useing the Petzl evolv ajusust as leash a good idea for quick resting ?

  • @Mrwhomeyou
    @Mrwhomeyou 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    before I watch the actually video, I really hope it does not hold my body weight cuz I don't want my tools come flying at me if i whip lol

  • @lucasmartin9306
    @lucasmartin9306 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Never reccomend falling on Ice Tool Leashes.. they will come after your face 😅.

  • @Pants13
    @Pants13 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The home made leash looks like it could be adapted for a nut tool leash 🤔

  • @aaab6054
    @aaab6054 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what happened to the drop test tower?

  • @matthewjswider
    @matthewjswider 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How not to bust….baseball.

  • @alandoak5146
    @alandoak5146 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    A rigid mass (despite being industry standard) is a really poor model for a human body, I don't think we can say the myth is busted.

    • @largeformatlandscape
      @largeformatlandscape 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah the wabble of a body means a slump is well under 2k. A static weight and static tether can really creat big forces

  • @dawntreader7079
    @dawntreader7079 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    who even climbs with tethers anymore? no one i know.

    • @Govanification
      @Govanification 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Alpine routes or long multipitch where a dropped tool could be catastrophic.

    • @dawntreader7079
      @dawntreader7079 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Govanification that's what i climb. i climb w a spare tool. i haven't dropped a tool for 25 years.