How These "Almost Dynasties" Fell Apart At The Last Minute
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- In this video, we take a look at several decisions that caused these teams to blow their chance to create some of the greatest dynasties in the history of the NBA. What caused them to change their minds at the last decision? Hope you enjoy!
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Imagine a prime McGrady, a Healthy Grant Hill, & a prime Tim Duncan
That would be finals for next 10 years especially in the East on the 2000s. Even McGrady and Duncan alone will been a cheat. 2000s most teams had 2 stars anyway and East was pretty garbage so they beating Sixers, and Nets ESPECIALLY
I'd have to get used to seeing TD wearing blue jerseys instead of black
Grant hill would still be hurt
Realistically they don't win anything. Hill was always hurt. TMac was never a winning player. Plus he was hurt a lot too. Duncan would have wasted his prime years in Orlando.
Orlando only had two max slots. It would have been Hill/one of the other two.
The magic not getting Duncan because of one small answer that would end up changing the entire landscape of the nba has got to be the most soul stabbing miss in nba history 🤣😭
0:14 Missed opportunity to put a clip of KD’s foot on the 3 point line.
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Also if Ray Allen missed
If only he were a shoe size smaller 😭
imagine NBA History if Doc Rivers let Tim Duncan's family fly on the plane
U mean DOC RIVERS
It was doc
@@Bigedub101 my bad
yes he wouldnt have won tittles
But it was the right thing to do tho. That's some diva shit from Timmy. What's his damn wife doing on the plane with the team lol stay at the mansion for two or three days darling
Doc Rivers fumbled big time
Fumbled many times
😭
He also fumbled Tim Duncan going to the Orlando Magic
Oh I just got to that part nevermind lol.. I’m a big Magic fan so when I found this out I hated Doc til this day since.
That was a game 7 level interview.
Kobe and KG would’ve been an insane duo. I think both of their play styles would’ve complemented each other very well. You have Kobe’s insane scoring ability in his prime, mixed with KG’s defense, and both of them having killer winning mentality’s you have one of the top duos in the league.
They at least win 3 together
As a Laker fan...
Kobe and KG would of three peat from 08-10 i don't think no one from the east could stop them
Forgot about this trade attempt, crazy. We missed KG and the league blocked the CP3 trade. They Kob would’ve had at least 6 with either of those trades going through
I would've loved to see kobe/kg vs the dynasty spurs.
*One more thing:* Had the Sonics kept Pippen and won a title or multiple titles, perhaps they don’t leave Seattle at all down the road.
BULLS would still won because KUKOC would play a lot more minutes..SONICS would probably made the FINALS in 97 thats it.
KEMP was a PF and would have to play at center more minutes.
DETLEF was the main reason that team was winning because he was super effective and without him or with him playing less minutes PIPPEN PAYTON and KEMP couldnt shoot well and werent effective at the offensive end...
SONICS problem was with CENTERS and HAKEEM...
@@onlyfacts3178nah, jordan shot considerably bad in the '96 finals and pippen wouldve focused on kukoc, leaving no offensive threat on the bulls squad.
@@woo_shynen8805 Jordan still won in 96 só what would have Change? Because Bulls didnt won because of Pippen.
And Pippen couldnt guard 6.10ft Kukoc.
@@woo_shynen8805 no offensive threat ? Using that Logic Sonics didnt had any offensive threat outside from Detlef.
@@onlyfacts3178bulls ain't winning nothing without Pip
I honestly think that Kobe and KG would have been the greatest duo ever. Kobe always blasted his teammates for not working hard or defending hard, and there is arguably not a more intense worker in history than KG.
For the KG potential trade I say it was a blessing that the trade didn't go through for the Lakers. Giving up Odom and Bynum would have taken away key players that helped the Lakers win the back to back in 09 and 10. The Pau trade was superior because we have up Kwami Brown and Javaris Crittenton and some picks (Marc Gasol would turn into one of those picks) and the Lakers kept Odom and Bynum. I'm not sure if a KG and Kobe team would have had enough depth to win the title like the Kobe and Gasol teams.
yeah that Sonic one is a stretch. they got Payton with the second overall pick. it’s not a guarantee they’d be that bad to draft him if they have Pippen.
Sonics were 41-41 in 1989-90, they got the 2nd pick with a lot of lottery luck. They should have picked 12th.
I also don't think Pip fit well with them. It would have been a hit to Chi more than a boost to Seattle, IMO.
@@cameronno6039 Pippen would have been Derrick McKey.
But what's never talked about is how the Antetokunbo, Jokic and Lebron could've been on one team.
Cavs had two No. 1 picks back to back and decide to pick Bennett and Andrew Wiggins....
This are somethings only the time show us because both were great recruits on the college 🤷♂
@@moisesalmonte8271agreed💯 times were mad different so decisions back then made sense for that time
I highly doubt it. Giannis was way too raw and needed a lot of investment and Jokic was interesting, but no a priority (there's a reason he was drafted in the second round). Since Lebron was in win now mode, it's more likely than they would be traded away to keep Lebron happy, or at least not have the proper development (Giannis) or roster construction (Jokic)
It wouldnt have workd for Giannis it took him years of development before he reached the level he needed to be at, now Jokic probably could work tho
@@cheeseomega3930 you are absolutely right actually they shouldn’t be Golden State in the first finals matchup if key players can get injured and actually out of all the teams that went to the finals that first Cavs team when the Bron went back was probably their best team and then next year they traded key players to keep James happy…
Nowadays dynasties will be hard to form particularly with the new apron rule.
Idk. If you can get the right mix without trying to have 3-4 all stars it's possible. Boston, Dallas, are examples of could be's
There's another one not many people talk about. It's actually LeBrons biggest mistake. LeBron deciding to go to Miami with Wade and Bosh instead of going to Chicago with JUST Bosh. A lineup of DRose, Luol Deng, LeBron, Bosh and Joakim Noah would've been very difficult to beat. As long as Rose was healthy, that's a dynasty there.
Actually, Rose, Wade, James, Bosh and Noah was realistic option. Clippers was ready to take on Deng salary and Bulls could had room to sign all three. But, i assume it never happened because Noah comment about vacation at Cleveland!
I remember being on pins and needles that whole offseason thinking the Bulls were gonna at least convince Wade to come home to Chicago only to end up with the consolation of Boozer 🤦♂️
Chicago Bull's bad management would've been made into a mere figurehead by the James', yeah, I mean the couple.
Rusty Buckets did a really good video a few years ago breaking down that potential team.
Rose was not healthy
But if Seattle kept Pippen they more than likely would not be in the position to draft Gary Payton, so doing that type of hypothetical what if "almost dynasty" is pointless.
0.1 sec in and I already gotta say Pause 😭😭😭
Thought I’m the only one ⏸️
It actually worked out for Kobe getting Gasol instead of KG because KG got hurt in 09 and wasn’t himself after returning from injury.
12:45 - Portland GM in 1984: "Look at that Jordan guy, or that Barkley one! Or even that skinny kid from Gonzaga... Nah, let's use our #2 pick for a center with no knees!"
skinny kid from Gonzaga?
@@leojamesquiambao1047Stockton
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@@leojamesquiambao1047John Stockton
There’s a story about Bob Knight calling up Blazers GM/Coach Dr Jack Ramsay the night before the draft, begging him to draft Jordan (Knight coached MJ on the Olympic team). When Ramsay said the team needed a center, Knight shouted into the phone “THEN PLAY HIM AT CENTER!”
I always badly wanted to see Kobe and KG on the same team. Their elite two way play plus both of their insane drives to win would have been beautiful
The Pippen-Sonics is missing one element: Scottie reached his true potential with Jordan pushing him in practice to grow into the historically elite top 2-way SF. With this in Seattle, Pippen may have made multiple All-Defensive Teams and some All-Stars, but never had the Alpha Scorer mentality. Certainly, the Sonics would have been better on both ends with Scottie instead of Derrick McKey (also drafted in 1987).
The Duncan-Magic may not have necessarily changed Hill's injury issues, but it certainly would have lessened McGrady's figure andl literal weight off of his back to prolong his prime. Duncan's legacy would have developed a more accurate narrative with him firmly as the elite rim-protecting CENTER (not PF) and post scorer he played in actuality. The Duncan-Kobe battles would have made better storylines taking place in the NBA Finals rather than the Western Conference Finals (plus Shaq going against his former team).
The MJ-Drexler-Hakeem trio would have been amazing. Certainly, Jordan's individual accomplishments may have been a bit dinged (as well as Olajuwon's), but Drexler likely would have had to make the greatest individual sacrifice to make it happen. However, he was one year senior to the others so this is probably the biggest potential roadblock from him becoming the more scoring-minded Pippen he ultimately became in Portland.
8:37 the pippen take isn't the best because even a few wins can decide your next picks... GP was a second overall.
At some point , Kevin Garnett would've liked to go to LA.
But McHale won't allow it and he traded him in Boston.
It's just bizarre if we got pau , Garnett , and Kobe.
Doc Rivers not only blew a lot of 3-1 leads but also blew a chance to have Duncan on the Magic team 😆
I had a conversation with a friend last week saying what if pippen was on the sonics w/ payton & kemp. The defense would have been sooo crazy. Detlef as 6th man, that team wins multiple titles in the early/mid 90s!
Kobe Bryant & Kevin Garnett both INSANE MENTALITY
With KG, I don't think LA would agressively push for a Pau trade. Man Kobe and KG on the same team would be massive. But without KG, in 2008 LA had a first five of Fisher, Kobe, Lamar, Pau and Bynum. A monstrous first five.
Imagine going to practice and you see KG and Kobe
Kobe got 2 rings after this and KG only 1. So seems like lakers didn’t really lose out
kobe would have gotten the threepeat however since he lost to KG in the first finals matchup.
Man the kobe KG hurts, didn’t know about that 😢😢😢
You forgot Jason Kidd almost join the spurs 👀
Now that would’ve been nasty fr
How exactly was this deal going to go down?
Love what Kobe is doing to KG in the thumbnail
Doc doing Doc thing
kobe and kg had insane chemistry and the same mentality. look at how well they played together in the 98 all star game. that duo would have left opponents in tears and would have helped kobe get at least 7 rings. stern did everything he could to keep kobe from passing mj smh
Interesting insights I always thought Pippen was drafted by the Bulls and I can not imagine what a SUPERTEAM the Rockets would have been with MJ in their lineup with those two legends of Olajuwon and Drexler together.
_Had Duncan gone to the Magic, they still likely would not have won a ring because of McGrady’s and Grant Hill’s recurring injuries._
McGrady was fairly healthy in Orlando so even with those 2 they making at least a few finals run especially in the weak east
Tmac started getting hurt after leaving Orlando
With a a better team around him he wouldn't have to play so many minutes and probably avoid injury
TMAC was healthy but hill part is true . TMAC averaged 8 missed game a season . In the years he was there , that healthy.
Hill rush back from injury maybe if he waited could been something special
Even with all three fully healthy they never would’ve won cuz they’re the Tragic.
The one that pops into my mind is the Cavs deciding they needed to hold on to JJ Hickson (although they now say the Suns nixed the deal), leading to not getting Amar'e Stoudemire from the Suns. If the Cavs make that trade, resign Stoudemire, you can imagine LeBron resigning and perhaps talking Wade into coming to Cleveland the following off season.
This would be after the 2010 playoffs where the front line is Shaq, STAT, and LeBron.
Only one word: WOW ❤
Please make other videos like this
“NBA is a game of inches”💀
Another thing that hasn’t been talked about was before Dennis Rodman was traded to San Antonio, Detroit made a deal to trade the worm to Phoenix for Richard Dumas……but the trade was voided at the last minute…..imagine the worm and Charles Barkley playing together in phoenix….ijs……
So happy being from San Antonio 💯
Omg kobe, pau and garnett would have been insane!
Scott Pippen is hilarious lol
lookiing at the Spurs going into the summer of 2000,Robibson was 35 and on the dowside of his career, Elliott was battling kidney issues, there was no Parker or Ginobli yet, so going the team up route cerainly may have looked like the better option
It's funny cuz when I was a kid playing ESPN 2k5 I would put KG and Pau on the Lakers
Me too
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4:40 Wow I’ve never heard this story before. That’s actually insane. My family are Celtics fans. I grew up rooting for them but I’m not a Celtics fan at heart but regardless I enjoy my family being happy so I rooted for them. Even I think KG should’ve just bit the bullet and signed with the lakers because of how well Kobe and his playstyles mash. I can imagine the embarrassment and possibly disrespect that KG must’ve felt blowing him up with zero effort put back into the partnership but Kobe being Kobe it could go both ways as in; he wants championships and that’s *CHAMPIONSHIPS*. More guaranteed imo than the “Heatles” (and Lebron is my favorite of all time). So I imagine him kicking himself in the ass realizing the opportunity to land KG had passed him by in the blink of in eye. BUT on the other hand Kobe wants championships but he wanted to prove he *DIDNT* need Shaq. Bringing KG in would absolutely soften the accomplishment over him doing it himself so I personally feel 50/50 with those both being plausible. Tbh, the more I think of it the more I feel like it’s more like 30/70 in favor of him wanting to prove a point but unfortunately if it hasn’t been expressed previously then we won’t ever know.
Just imagining the havoc they would’ve generated. Rest in peace, Kobe.
Great video as always Andy!! Thanks!!
Back then there’s NO SOCIAL media, we will just be SURPRISE what will happen.
Damn. Pippen was a steal because Olden Polynice was serviceable at best
I feel like if KG would’ve played with Kobe it probably would hurt Kobe‘s Legacy. One of the biggest knocks on Kobe’s career after Shaq left was he needed a superstar to play alongside to win a championship and if he played with KG, that would just further the narrative. We all know KG is better than Pau, numerous of people will always say Kobe won two titles with a teammate who wasn’t on the 75th anniversary team and that’s a flex as well.
I feel pau gasol was much better for the lakers team than garnette
Why
They would still have Gasol even if they traded for Garnet since they traded Kwame for him. Kobe+Gasol+Garnet combo is deadly af
Duncan to be Coach by Doc and expect dominance is now Hilarious.
In hindsight the only one that is super odd is Doc with Duncan. Most these moves made sense at the time.
Ralph was seen as the next GOAT at that time.
He was a 7'4 monster among boys.
He is the biggest what if in NBA History.
I dont blame the Rockets for not doing it.
@AlHilal-q2v Yes. And, that shows you that not everyone thought that MJ was the second coming.
Scottie in the sonics jersey just looked so wrong lol
what made KG got to Boston instead of LA is actually pretty easy to trace... it was Celtic friendship. McHale was helping out his old ball club and his old friend danny ainge. Pure and simple. Nothing else.
BTW the sonics DID have a lengthy defensive wing in the 90s, Derrick McKey. He stayed there through their 63 win WCF appearance in 93 and then was swapped for Schrempf. He wasn't a ball handler though.
Good to know Duncan is whipped btw.
And houston was not taking Jordan if they got clyde. If anything the Houston superteam from 97-98 of Clyde, Barkley and Hakeem would have happened way back in 84.
Imagine Kobe Pau And KG my goodness they will win 5 straight chips
There was also one with McGrady to Kobe and Shaq Lakers if I remember correctly.
Chris Paul to the Lackers 🤔.
I think an under discussed part of dynasties is personality fits. While the thought of Jordan, Hakeem and Drexler playing together sounds like guaranteed championships for a decade you never know how players of that caliber can adapt to playing with other all time greats. I think Duncan, Hill and Mcgrady’s personalities would have been a perfect mix but not sure about the potential Rockets scenario
Sam and Clyde's sacrifice inevitably set the Trailblazers up to form the Jail blazers dynasty.
Great video. As a Spurs Fans, I'm glad this didn't happen, it would ruined Duncan Legacy.
Great video coverage 💯 wow!
Please do more of these!
don’t think the Pao trade would’ve happened if KG was around
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Daammnn I remember that tim&mac but never knew about that kg&kobe wowww
Doc Rivers is a habitual fumbler
0:13 story of a lot of peoples lives 😂😂😂😂
To be fair, Grant Hill's injury was extremely and poorly mishandled. He had an ankle injury. Not a torn ACL, or Achilles injury. The medical team gave him the greenlight to play and it was too soon. Grant Hill talked about this. Had they waited for him to fully heal, Grant Hill could have continued to live out the peak of his career. Granted, I am not sure how durable he would have been from that point. Very few players are as durable as MJ and LeBron. Penny Hardaway is another big What If.
5 team trade in 2017 that wouldve resulted in Bledsoe - Paul George - Carmelo landing in Cleveland with Lebron (Kyrie and Klove going out)
Melo and PG confirmed that the deal was basically done but it was called off last minute. Melo and PG ended up in OKC, and Kyrie ended up in Boston
If the Sonics drafted Pip, they probably wouldn't have traded GP. More interesting to me is if the Kemp and Ricky Pierce trade in 94 went through.
I definitely do not think KG and Kobe would have meshed well enough to win two chips like with Gasol
If KG actually went to the Lakers then we might have gotten a Kobe vs Lebron in the finals...
I always thought the phrase 'it's a game of inches' applied to football. An inch can be the difference on a fourth down, where crossing the 10-yard marker could completely change the game. So, saying the NBA is a game of inches seems like utter bullshit to me.
Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler would complete their project in Houston if not for these cancelled transactions. Scottie Pippen also in the late 80s to 90s would played for his hometown Seattle Supersonics team and give the opposing teams in the Eastern Conference a run for their money, pushing the limits of not getting an NBA Championship to break the "No Ring" curse.
Pippen is not from Seattle.....
If scottie stays with the sonics they dont get kemp or payton. Since their odds in the draft would be worse. So no.
IMAGINE KG AND KOBE VS TIMMY AND TMAC!
WOW
That lakers squad would’ve cemented KG Pau and Kobe as the best big 3 of all time if they could get it done
pau is a step low on that one.
3:09 did he buy that suit from David Byrne?
Best comment I've seen on this channel.
His girlfriend is better
That suit is crazy 😭
12 seconds in and I gotta pause what you said
Timmy did just fine without them. The 2000's Spurs was the beginning of a dynasty. 5x time NBA champion, 3x finals Mvp's, the best power forward of all time. I believe he's also the only player to win a championship in 3 different decades. So he was pretty damn good.
duncan is a center not PF.
I don't think that they would've made the trade for Gasol if they had acquired Garnett
The Orlando Big 3 is a myth: in 2000 free agency, the Magic had room for two max contracts, which were intended for Grant Hill and Tim Duncan.
The Orlando Magic signed McGrady only after Duncan signed back with the Spurs.
It was never going to be a "big three" scenario.
The misconception started when Grant Hill recalled the Doc Rivers incident during an episode of "The Jump": McGrady was in the same studio and reacted to it as a missed opportunity. Grant Hill, class acting, didn't point out that T-Mac wasn't in the picture at that time.
Reality is T-Mac was Orlando's backup plan.
and it would have failed either way since hill was the problem in these scenarios.
Major pause at the start of this video 😭
There was that Kobe to the Mavs trade that could of happened. Kobe and Dirk would of been crazy
It was actually Dirk to the Lakers and Shaq to the Mavs trade deal proposal.
When a lot of people talk about the most curse team is clippers, from this video orlando maybe with the most what if scenario. Penny and shaq duo, trio duncan t-mac and hill, or trio t-mac hill and rookie dwight howard, give a perfect fit player during prime dwight howard that all im saying
I don’t understand why the Sonics helped the Bulls. Sonics could’ve taken Polynice with the 5th pick outright.
there was probably something else to the trade that wasn't explained.
MJ and Hakeem omg two of the greatest in their positions. I could easily see 10 championships even with those 2 alone.
Jordan and Hakeem would’ve been so unfair😂
Doc Rivers blew a 3-1 lead in getting Tim Duncan to Orlando.
BUT would Pippen have developed into the guy we know today in Seattle?
OMG Hakeem, Drexler & MJ on the same team from the get go?!! That would have been scary.
don't think the houston thing happens. they would have made their 97-98 super team instead by drafting barkley to replace sampson.
An event, big or small, can alter the course of a player's career or franchise.
the magic wouldn't have gotten duncan, hill, and mcgrady. they wanted duncan and hill and then only when they couldn't get duncan, they settled for mcgrady, but they never could've gotten all three.
Man I think about that til this day myself. What if Kobe, Gasol, and KG were on the lakers together from 2008-on? They would have three-peated at minimum again with both Pau and KG winning 3 rings each and Kobe at least matching MJ for 6. Seeing that Bynum became a bust shortly after the rings he got, and how well Pau played the 5 anyway, would've been a great fit. Then Tim Duncan playing on the Magic would've been crazy, especially with T-Mac and Grant Hill. He would've been a huge help defensively since T-Mac and Grant Hill weren't great defenders. Oh what could've been. Stupid doc Rivers. I also wonder what it would've been like had Chris Paul been able to join the Lakers in 2011 with Pau and Kobe too. Would've been a crazy 1-2-5 punch. As much as I respected David Stern as a commissioner, that was a stupid move on his part.
I feel like seconds is better than inches for a basketball reference. I think the NFL is more of a game of inches
I’m actually happy for Hakeem’s sake that he didn’t end up Jordan’s teammate even if hypothetically they had won eight or nine championships. Because I feel like they would do to Hakeem what they did to Scottie by diminishing how great he was to glorify Jordan’s legacy. Even if Hakeem only ended up with two rings, the way he played leading to those two rings has him a top 10 player and had he won 8 or more second fiddle to Jordan, they likely wouldn’t rank him as high.
i mean hakeem's rings now are given the asterisk that jordan was retired and just returning and that's why he won, so his legacy was affected either way.
imagine NBA History if Doc Rivers let Tim Duncan's family fly on the plane
it wasn't family, it was a girlfriend....
Michael Redd going to Cleveland to join LeBron would’ve been a dynasty
I doubt KG would still be in LA. No way Kevin McHale was going to help the Lakers out. Front offices say it’s all business but there has been plenty of times gm’s emotions got involved.
Same thing with the lakers not wanting to give up Shaq or Kobe to the Mavs!!!