Victorian Fashion Is Not What You Think It Is
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มี.ค. 2019
- I don't know since when 64 years is almost a century, I was always bad at math sry
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It's like people thinking 1990s fashion was the same as 1950s
The 90s was more trying to recreate the 1960s and 70s rather than the '50s.
@@guccideltaco It was closer the 70s fashion than 50s fashion yes. I would say about 20 years closer :-P
I wouldn't say it was trying to recreate those styles, rather it still had remnants of it.
Also... r/whoosh ... The fact that 90ies and 50ies are super dissimilar was kinda the point....
It was the 80s who were trying to recreate the 50s
And yet it would all technically count as Elisabethan style
Along the Lane wow that makes it sound much proper
I'm a little disappointed in Vogue, honestly. Considering it was founded during the late Victorian era you would think they would have a slightly better grasp on fashion history!
No ones got time to roll through the archives there? Like youd think thatd make your job easier
I feel that it is not the entire magazine’s fault, but rather that a lot of writers (and unfortunately even fashion and costume designers) nowadays do not do proper research on their topic before putting misinformation out there.
I agree, Vogue is supposed to be the godfather of fashion information, come on man do your job!
thetoneofsurprise maybe that is why they think this way! The Victorian influences from their archives probably ARE Edwardian
Also considering it’s one of the most influential names in fashion you’d assume they’d know what they’re talking about
people: paris hilton was the first influencer
queen victoria: am i a joke to you?
isabel garcia Marie Antoinette: girl PLEASE
Madam Pompadour: you all are just so cute
What about Anne Boleyn and her iconic french hood?
Or Agnes Sorel? 😁
I'm a Little Lady Eleanor of Aquitaine just looks at the whole group wryly across the room, shakes her head, and adjusts her chin strap.
@@lauramuse910 Kleopatra : Ohh girls - You are so modern
@@rebeccaartemisia96 French hood was introduced by Anne of Brittany. The ORIGINAL modern fashionista, please and thank you.
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Style: anything
Media: *V I C T O R I A N*
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True. They all act victorian. Even shakespearian plays.
I went into an art gallery and and asked for Victorian painting exhibition and rmthe lady showed me Baroque paintings..... I had to tell her this was 1700s paintings and Victorian was on the other floor. She was annoyed and indifferent.
And they're mostly not wrong! Haha
I barely have enough socks for a week while the Victorian's over have an outfit for every hour
Oof mood
masakasama
So sort of like today’s time? PJ’s, daily clothing, and then maybe something nice to go out to dinner in?
It makes sense though that way they could wear individual outfits longer without having to wash them.
@masakasama_uuum. Thanks.. but I am 100 % sure that he did understand that as like the rest of us. It was obviously a _*_JOKE_*_ but there always has to be someone to ruin it._
@@tiredtypes1260 _exactly!.A lot of ppl tend to forget about that_
Crinolines would be PERFECT for 2020. Social distancing by dress.
Yes, please.
Ong yes
Can we just...make that a thing? If we all start to wear them eventually it will be fashion...
@@lilly6357 YES!
I can just i m a g i n e that
Historic costumer: “omg, love your corset! What era is it?”
Person: “Victorian~!”
Historic costumer: “do you know how little that narrows it down.”
Me : you uncultured shit
Mine is from around 1850-1865 if I recall correctly :D
The 80s always have fluffy awkward bangs. whether it is the 1880s or the 1980s.
It's the rule of life the 80's have puffy hair
May i live long enough to see the 2080s
1780s had puffy curly hair and 1680s had awkward curly bangs too, what the hellll
It takes a hundred years for the trauma to fade.
Makes me wish I could live to the 2080s to see if it’s still true. SCIENCE HELP ME!
karolina zebrowska getting triggered that noone gets victorian fashion for 22 minutes
xD
Relatable
good shit
Honestly same though
Mood
It's funny how some people think that the Victorian era fashion was the same throughout the years, merely because it was "in the past". Some period dramas certainly don't help. I suppose that, 150 years from now, there will be dedicated fashion historians frustratingly yelling "Guys, I don't think you realize how DIFFERENT 1940s and 1980s fashion were, even if Britain had the same Queen!"
ETA: Sorry for the mistake. I thought Elizabeth became Queen in 1949 (why that year? I don't know, it just stuck in my mind for no reason). Anyway, I still think that a movie about a young Queen Elizabeth II dressed like a 1980s teen is very likely to happen some 200 years from now and I'm kinda sad I won't be here to see it.
Iunno, you managed to pick two decades where big shoulders were a thing.
Some people nowadays don’t even know the difference
Niniane17. Yeah it’s like in a hundred years they’ll be like 1950s and 2010s are the same because it was under the same queen.
B...but Britain didn’t have a queen in 40s
@@mystii8134 Queen Elizabeth was not Queen until February of 1952. untill that time she was known as Princess Elizabeth. She has now had the longest reign of any British ruler - 68 years! (1952 - 2020 and still with us - God save the Queen) Her father; George VI was the King during the 1940s (1937 - 1952) . Interestingly enough Queen Elizabeth I (45 years , from 1558 - 1603) and Queen Victoria (64 years , from 1837 - 1901) also have had exceptionally long reigns. Women just make more stable rulers!
You: This video is pointless. Victorian fashion can’t be summarized in an organized manner or defined.
Also you: *summarizes Victorian fashion completely and corrects misconceptions exactly as needed*
As a person who don't have english as a first language, everytime you say like "18th century" my brain goes into complete math mode to understand what time we're talking about , like "ok 21th century is 2000's so 18th century is..... ah 1700!" EVERYTIME
English is my first language and I think we all have to think about it too 😂
lynn I came here to say this, but I knew in my heart it was already said
@GiRayne In Sweden we don't count centuries like that we just say 1800-talet ( basically 1800's) about the 19th century and so on so it confuses me lol
As a person whose first language is English (and who scored perfect marks on her last English exam in university) I also must do all the mental math to remember when on earth we are talking about.
In German it's the same! I had to get used to this during high school...still confuses me sometimes
**Hair sticks out** "What's going on ?"
**Sun shines** "What's going on ?"
**Burps** "What's going on ?"
Karolina baffled by life's simplest things. :)
It's Poland - how often do you think the sun shines? XD
@@laura.st. From what I can tell, more than Portland!
Relatable.
10:56 Karolina: "In conclusion"
me: girl, you're not even halfway through the video 😂
I kind of wish people still got dressed differently for evening events. Not just club wear. But in general.
Ew the effort. You can do it if you want, it's fun, there are theme festivals for that, but having such strict social pressure would be awful
Where i live its cold at night so we kind do haha
Especially the beautiful but simple gowns and handsome suits the men wore in the 20's-30's?
As mentioned, that was something rich people did. Personally I don't have the funds to change clothes for every meal everyday and I'd hate it if that were the norm. Dress up should be strictly for special occasions imo.
@@maironaulendil972 you sound like a lazy slob who walks around the same crusty pants you woke up in. Nothing wrong with integrity
I think that steampunk brought a lot of confusion in the idea of Victorian fashion, because it's inspired from it but beeing fantasy it doesn't follow it precisely. And beeing very popular it's the first thing that people think when you say Victorian
Which is funny because most steampunks know what actual Victorian fashion was like because that’s what you start with before you change it to punk it
I was going to mention Steampunk too. A lot of Steampunk is corsets over clothes. 😅
@@TheQueerTailor you can know what it is but change it up to make it more interesting loosing historical accuracy, and most people who have no idea what Victorian fashion is will think it's accurate
I strongly disagree. Any person that studies fashion would know that a term containing "punk" is not historical.
@@veronicasuestarlite4080 I'm referring to common people, that mostly see only steam punk or really modernized version of Victorian fashion
As a goth, I can say we are not usually guilty of an obnoxious lack of knowledge of Victorian fashion.
But a lot of the 'gothic' fashion companies are.
This!
I see more modernized Victorian on Amazon or Ebay and try to piece things together to get a similar look than say Killstar. It's fast fashion. My steampunk takes hours to get ready. Pretty complicated.
True, unfortunately 😔
But are you guilty of an obnoxious lack of knowledge of Gothic architecture and early Germanic Gothic tribes?
@@user-pm1gb2eo1s Jokes on you I'm actually not
The dark colours that we associate with Victorian fashions is an important issue that I’m glad you raised. Our perception is altered by the fact that we generally only ever see black and white photography. It’s perpetuated by tv and film to some extent because the more muted tones are far more atmospheric and fit the themes of (modern) film very well. The mode of photography (photos took a very long time to take) results in the mega serious expressions of the sitters which -combined with the fascination of the second half of the era with gothic horror, ‘Victorian fears’ and mourning- impress the view of a mega serious and starched society on us today.
Also people died a lot, so they wore mourning outfits a lot. And bevause of Romanticism we tend to think everybody was gloomy and dark
Black and white photography also obscures the fact that synthetic dyes were only invented around the 1870s, and must have made a heck of a difference. Imagine fashion when strong colours were simply impossible. (Except for green, which was simply literally poisonous.)
"It was considered immodest, it was considered shallow." There's a very early scene in Gone with the Wind that suddenly makes even more sense having that piece of information.
I think the dark modern version of Victorian comes from the romantised vampire imagery reinterpréted by Goth and steampunk styles... It sort of picked and chose from various influences
I always found it to be inspired by the gothic trends/literature during the era - such as can be seen in the dark tones that stories such as works by Poe or Dickens, the Bruntës’ Wuthering Hights and Jane Eyre, etc. Many popular stories that have stood the test of time and been made into movies or the like from that era tend to have gothic/dark vibes it seems.
There was also the dark/bleak side of industry that film/stories often focus on/highlight as well.
However, that’s not to say I think you’re wrong. It could be all these things and more. People draw inspiration from many places.
@@SCompton4 I absolutely agree with you, which is probably why these darker influences are what stood to this day
I think it owes more to the neo-Edwardian movement of the late 1960s-early '70s, which evolved into Gunny Sax and the like. I rather like the Teddy Boys, too. Not historical, but a nice look for men's fashion.
I always saw steampunk as kind of "Alice in Wonderland," where the fashion is inspired by woodcuts from childrens' books.
@@user-mv9tt4st9k I dressed steampunk for Halloween and they announced 3rd place as Alice in Wonderland. I looked around and didn't see anything like that. It was me. Lol
I had this conversation with a friend, she said she liked Victorian fashion. So I went like OMG %@#¿*%# MEE TOO
Her *shows steampunk*
Me "oh I thought you meant historical Victorian clothing not steampunk"
Her "steampunk is historically accurate"
I cried from the inside :')
Kristina Wilkens Send her this video 😂
I though real SP was inspired off of Edwardian? Not Victorian. Then turned into a Hybrid with the two? Then they twisted in the high( Jules Vern) fantasy aspect into it?
Yeah steampunk's weird. I always saw it as victorian edwardian transition era + the late 1800s early 1900s thoughts on futuristic settings + it kinda looks like pirates? + where did all these belts come from
Though I don't wear it myself, I've followed the trend for a long time. It started with Victorian era (specifically the 1885-1900 range) as it was influenced by H.G Wells and Jules Verne's books and worlds. There have been more Edwardian influences over time, but started out with Victorian era + technological period altered time pieces that focus on steam or string powered mechanisms, using pulley and gear systems, steam pipes and pressure gauges, ect. That said, the genre has actually exploded quite a bit and includes everything leading up to WW2, Western cowboy, and even Asian (silkunk) influences as well. Ultimately the idea embraces the technologies of the old with ideas of technologies of the future while maintaining a blend of fashion from the era you're pulling it from. I've read now that they classify the overall genre fashion as Neo-Victorian, which is the blended fashion of both late Victorian and Edwardian periods.
@@lulumccoolio3111 steampunk isn't set in a transitional period or anything. Most times it's made up by ignorant people who went like - this is cool, and just slap it on whatever design they cooked up. Steam punk is the bane of fassion and fiction I thell you. I have people looking at my stories and be like - durrr I like steampunk. Me: bitch where? It's Victorian inspired. It has horses clip fucking clopping over not so clean streets not steam jetpacks. :v
Time traveler from the 1890's: *sees girl with short hair* Get well soon my dear!
19th century time traveller comes in the 1920's, sees all girls with short hair: Oh no, they are all sick! HEEELLPPP!!!!
I was going to say - the Victorian obssession with death started with Queen Victoria mourning Prince Albert the rest of her life. The Victorians may seem morbid in this to us today, but it just became part of their culture, also due to a lot of people dying. Like you said, lots of people died in many eras. The Victorians honoured their deceased loved ones in various ways. I also think that a lot of people have such a bleak view of the Victorian era because of writers like Dickens & others who wrote a lot about the social ills of the day.
But there were also Victorians who wrote joyfully & in celebration of life. Not all was bleak in the Victorian era.
Thanks for this video. ☺ Sorry for my rambling comment - it's very early in the morning & I'm sleepy. I did enjoy this, though. 😊
A lot of people died in an era😂
EVERYONE dies in every era.
Why are people so shocked by death now is the question we should be asking.
@@unacceptablesisterpeter3431 They mean life expectancy was shorter, infant mortality rates were higher, diseases were more prevalent, etc.
@@faraway-2009 yes I am aware of that and we are obsessed with avoiding up to and including our own downfall as seen in real time right now.
The zombie class screeching: people could die!
black wasn't just for mourning either, like you said working or lower class people wore dark colors because it's what they could afford and were easier to clean.
Like Jane Eyre! She is described as wearing black most of the time
Have you ever seen Mrs. Hudson, Sherlock Holmes landlady, in any thing but black?
And even half mourning was grey and lavender
IIRC, during Mary QofS's day black was a wedding color and white was used for mourning.
Coal smut is a bitch to get out of textiles....I know firsthand, as I just took my chimney out and did not even think about coal smut. It is so sticky and grimy.
your earrings match your lipstick perfectly what is this sorcery?!
wickedly good
im sorry but this is a different shade
@@AzazelUmbra Yeah but looks good tho o: :D.
STYLE
Take the earrings to sephora and swatch
when corsets became a thing women actually loved them because they finally had support, and the big ole hoop skirts/crinolines were women's favorites too because they were fun and way more functional than people today think, and guys hated these things.
How were hoop skirts and crinolines functional?
@@vanira-01 Men couldn't get their hands on ladies as easily, as in the could not touch them inappropriately as easily. They allowed women to have a lot of personal space, and the crinoline took a lot of the petticoat weight off of women's legs. To get the fashionable silhouette before the crinoline, it was normal to wear around 7 petticoats. This got heavy, as in women were wearing around 50 pounds of clothing. So the crinoline came as a breath of relief to those women, who now could look fashionable without doing a ton of heavy lifting. It also made it more affordable for lower class ladies to dress fashionably because they didnt need a thousand petticoats. They could just wear their crinoline and one or two petticoats and call it a day.
Fun fact for a time it was actually in vogue for men to wear corsets.
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M V Yes! I literally just scrolled down to find a comment saying this do that I could like it. The creativity in the way she does the videos is so great.
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Same!
It was so perfect.
Ignorant person: oh yeah I LOVE VICTORIAN STUFF yeah,I just LOVE Marie Antoinette！
Meme mom:you Are GROUNDED!!!!!
Augh, it drives me crazy when people think of Marie Antoinette as Victorian. I've even heard people describe Renaissance Faire performers as Victorian. I wanted to tear my hair out! Not every 100+-year-old fashion trend is Victorian!!
@@CallieRoseMartinsyde love the passion, girl
>Victorian
>Marie Antoinette
_Crawling in my crawl_
How are they equal???
Callie Rose Martinsyde I... how? How do you get ‘Victorian’ from RenFest???
I would be really interested to hear your thoughts on Lolita fashion. Mostly just like: What parts can you identify as being inspired by Edwardian/Victorian/Rococo trends? What are some of the less obvious modification? (Obvious ones being: skirt length, patterns, and material) And maybe, do you like it at all, like does it make you curious?
I don't know if anyone has asked you these things but it seems like they would have??? Idk mostly cuz there's a huge difference between real vintage fashion and Lolita fashion but both are still completely valid, and don't necessarily have anything directly to do with each other.
Well the skirt lenght is probably for practicality and to reinforce the child-like/ doll-like aspects of the aesthetic? Little girls did where their skirts shorter. There were one or two young kids in the examples meme mom showed us.There are classic Lolita dresses that are full length. But they are the minority.
But yes. I'd watch the crap out of that video.
This is wrong
@@user-pm1gb2eo1s what is???
@@pienkunicorn What I actually think the skirts are short for: puberty. So, basically, you have a 10-11-something yo girl, with her sunday best made to look "adult". Just miniature and looks sort of cute on a very childlike body. Then puberty hits and in 6 months the skirt still fits in the waist, but is suddenly !!!so short!!!
(And since this is something that tends to happen just because of that growth spurt, society has somehow decided that this looks... well, loli :P)
I am so late but I never expected to find a hetalian in the comment section of a Karolina video
Fun fact: Edwardian was actually in 1902 to 1910, some people actually said it branched out to the 1st world war, and sometimes the 2nd world war. After that there was no more ages named after kings or queens. Also the last time the French guillotine was used 1977. That is not very long ago! Luckily it isn’t used anymore.
sad, it is much more humane than lethal injection or in some cases, life.
@@uglukthemedicineman5933 True, however the events leading up to the execution (by guillotine) are perhaps more distressing and traumatic. If lethal injections were administered correctly, they would be far more preferable.
@@chevaliermacabre2150 Only the weak cry about trauma. Their hopes have no place in this world.
Please do a video on hats, hair and haircoverings. Era of your choice.
Yes!
And wigs past the 18th century.
Sarah Grant yUS
30s had dope hats forrreal
YES. 1930's hats!
That TILT.
Person- Oh I love Victorian fashion especially the -
Karolina- ItS eDWaRdiAN
But same though
@@michaelslaughter1264 iT eWarDIaN
Bridget Jenkins well some historians don’t consider the edwardian era a thing but rather another part to the victorian era
Sabrina Owens yeh ik
I'm a fan of Japanese Lolita (not THAT lolita) fashion, a style that picks and chooses different eras to take influence from (Victorian to Edwardian to even the Baroque). In high school, I researched the specific eras that take root in Lolita, and the Victorian era had so many changes within those 60 years. It led to me doing more research in the fashion of the era while I was trying to do a paper on a modern fashion trend (I loved it regardless)
Me, having never thought about victorian fashion in my life: "Wow she's right! It is completely different from what I thought!!"
Me: shows 1790s fashion
Friend: "OHH I LOVE VICTORIAN FASHION!"
Me: slap
JUST HOW. How conflate that Greek influenced more form hugging gown with those remarkably big befrilled and crinolined dresses!?
The reasons for cutting hair during or after an an illness were two fold. First because most women had hair down to at least the middle of their back, often longer, cutting it was seen as a way to cool off the body during a fever. Second, after a febrile illness, or any illness that causes a lot of weight loss, women were likely to lose a portion of their hair, sometimes up to half. As someone with a chronic illness this has actually happened to me twice. Cutting the hair short was seen as a way to get it to grow healthy again, since the reasons behind hair loss after an illness weren’t fully understood. It is also extremely hard to keep long hair clean while a patient is in bed, so it may have sometimes been done because the hair was too dirty or there were a lot of lice or other bugs common in poor homes
in L.M. Montgomery's "Emily" series, her aunts want to cut her hair when she is just suspected of being sick because they think it "took from her strength." This is of course totally wrong from a scientific perspective but it's something people believed.
Thank you so much for that piece of Info! Do you by any chance have any sources with you? I am a history student, very interested in textile history and how looks and beauty were received, influenced..... Thank you so much in advance!
also sometimes poor women would sell their hair to be made into wigs
If they lost some of their hair because of sickness and their hair was long it would never fill in to match the length and would look thin and scraggly. They probably cut it short to grow in thicker at the same length.
Leah Sauter it must’ve got really knotty/matted if someone was bedbound also
I always understood Victorian era as during Victoria's reign. Edwardian was during Edwards reign. In England only. France and much of Europe went in different directions. Especially Russia and France.
"Let me clarify this." THANK YOU for the Ghost and Mr. Chicken reference! I love that movie.
I work in a museum and we dress in period costume for giving tours. We're set in mid-1850s in Canada, and we dress as servants, so I hardly ever see our dresses and costumes represented in "Victorian Era" discussion. Clearly, servants in this location/time/class were not dressing like wealthy ladies in England, but it's weird seeing how our costumes are so different from what most people perceive as Victorian. (Also, my dresses are bright pink, brick red, and a red/pink floral, so not super dark at all lol)
where is this museum? Id love to check it out
What an awesome job! I've always dreamed of doing a job like that! Get paid to play dress up.😊
Yes yes, where n are their pix? I would love info on lower class costume.
I want to know more! This is so cool!
The hairdos from that article looked like hideously messy Gibson Girl styles. Give them that name, wear them with pride - just know what they are!
I think we simplify the Victorian Era way too much!! You have done a fabulous job of addressing the mini-eras within 1837-1901. I would be interested in a video on the evolution of dyes and prints and how it changed color choices for women's fashion.
"Victorian Fashion"
Me: Is when everyone dressed like the Queen.
"Is not what you think."
Me: Shocked Pikachu Face
It made my day 🤣🤣
I just realised that 1880 bangs look kinda similar to 1980 perm bangs....
Also 1850s and 1950s both have poofy dresses and my head is about to explode.
Same! 1940-1950 hair is my fave also my fave fashion era but so is 1850??? How are they so similar it’s like a loop
+ 1830s and 1930s puffy sleeves and accesorries craziness!
The 1860s had poofy dresses/crinolines as well. Which is interesting, because in the early 1960s, women also still wore circle skirts that resembled 50s style, just a little shorter. So you're quite right. It's really interesting. 😀
Well, looks like 2020 is the time for everyone to wear 1920's fashion.
@@jasmine-ruff-puff9951 not really
I realized that trends repeated themselves each 90/100 years
But since the 1900 they repeat each 40 years
So the 40s shoulders for example came back in the 80s and it should come back on the 2020
As far as the exposed corset concept, I always thought it was from the idea that wild west saloon girls would strip down a bit to entice customers. I don't know if it was actually a thing, but cowboy movies reinforced the idea for decades, and it's still a staple in anything set during the American wild west.
Wild West saloon girls and Parisian-style music hall dancers, I’d guess. (Which categories could overlap.)
The bustle eras are my favorite part of the Victorian era. I'm glad that someone else is able to know the difference between the Victorian era and the Edwardian era.
I love yours vids 😍👍
Me too although I must admit I am partial to a good old fashioned crinoline from the 1830s
I'd love to see an episode about lower class outfits! I know it's harder to track but represents so much bigger group
Victorian fast fashion . Gurl she's still wearing a crinoline, we're in 1880 gurl, hello ! Crinoline are out !
Eloïse Carles
And weird puffy bangs r in!!!
crinoline who? i only know bustles!
Mori
Well said sis! What a shame to society for one to display such outdated fashions!
Hell yeah ! If you ain’t wearin’ the latest fashion, you ain’t invited to my tea party
Eloïse Carles
* Sips Tea *
Very well agreed!
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Emmy McCune you say that like she’s some sorta deity. XD
@@qs-ii1872 She is tho.
For some reason Victorian era litterature being my favorite (Especially Romanticism) made it to where all of this was exactly as I remembered imagining it based off of various descriptions. Which is just crazy to me! Ah makes my heart sing to know more little details though.
I loved this video! The judgement from some of the followers towards people that are barely learning about this era and its fashions makes me not want to talk to anyone about this hair and clothing time and how beautiful I find it 😔
You can tell how much Japanese Lolita fashion is influences by 1850 and it’s French influences that’s so cool as someone who loves looking into fashion sub cultures.
Avalon sheeps ya. I know calling Lolita, doesn’t make it a new thing and it irks me how they so highly sexualize it.
@@QUEENOBSCURE lolita fashion doesn't have any relation to the Lolita novel thought it's a common misconception. The lolita novel is hyper sexual and deals with a minor, while lolita fashion is a Japanese modest fashion that is known for the shape of the petticoat and is influenced by Victorian and Rococo fashion.
Kitty Noir yes. Sometimes languages just steal words from other languages without knowing the meaning behind the word. Lolita has nothing to do with being sexy or child like or the book in any way. The person who named it (which can’t be traced as far as I know) probably heard the word and thought it sounded pretty and Victorian. It’s like how in English countries we have shirts with weird Chinese characters that say “chicken soup dreams boats” and in Asia you’ll find shirts that say “f*ck p*ss love” in a kids size. Language barriers are a thing and do cause this kind of trouble like people thinking Lolita has anything to do with anything other then Victorian era. It’s kind of sad it gets such a bad rap for its names but until a few years ago it was “taboo” for people who dressed in Lolita to even snow a little thigh in their dresses or knee! Its not a very “sexy” fashion. Like Gyaru is.
@@sheeps_ I find all kinds of Japanese fashion to be really interesting. Especially street fashion. People really do go all out there. I love how rich their culture is, and I can somewhat relate as an Indian :P
Yes, as a lolita I found it interesting to pin down what era bits and pieces we wear were from.
In regards to the somber Victorian photos- photography was expensive. And it was a thing for people to want to have photos memorialising their dead loved ones, and so coffin photography was a thing- and while the photographer is there, might as well get some other family portraits done at the same time. Hence the mourning gowns in a lot of photographs.
Queen Victoria was mourning her dear Albert for 40 years, and her pictures in black dress probably affected imagination.
Part of the thing could be photography, black and white, which made all the darker color looking black.
Also - we have to remember that "Victorian" applies to Great Britain. Women from not-existing Poland maybe wore similar fashion, but after 1863 (another failed upraising, nothing to see here, move along) almost everybody dressed black, with iron patriotic jewellery.
My great great-grandmother wore mourning until her death, because all her brothers died in uprising
@Katie_pol - Early on in photography (and even earlier in painted portraiture), for middle class persons, the only time that anyone had their image recorded was after they died. (Portraitists had pre-made paintings, ready to go, with a body and background completed, but the head left blank for when a memento-mori portrait was quickly needed, some for men, some for women, some for children.)
Love ur videos
BTW: in hair style history we Cluster the timelines in early, mid and late Victorian. Heard a lot of costume historians also use that term. But when it comes to hair fashion the victorians didn’t move as quickly as they did with dress volumina... but I think that division is still pretty useful
Peace and congrats to ur knowledge🥳
Imagine in the future when they talk about the elizabethan ii era. Oof. That would be interesting.
A friend of mine made a documentary about women of the jazz age in the U.S. and the back cover called it the Victorian era. But the years it listed were 1910 to 1930's which is pretty firmly Edwardian. I didn't say anything since the copies were already made up and I didn't want to be that "um, actually.." person... It's been eating me up for years and I had to say this somewhere!!!
Edit : Just found out the 1910 to 1930 isn't Edwardian either 😅. So far it's got a bunch of possible names but the top two I like are Machine age and Gilded age.
jodie _dodie that's after Edwardian too, the Edwardian era only lasted until 1910 when Edward VII died. The best way to describe 1910 - 1930 would be 'early twentieth century', although it does sit neatly inside the machine era, but hardly anyone actually uses the phrase 'machine era'
That’s more Gilded Age than Edwardian.
@@testosteronic... oops I feel kinda embarrassed now. Usually no one sees my comments 😅. He could have also called it the Jazz Age or said something like "as the roaring twenties lead into the great depression" might have given a clearer timeline.
I would not call it Edwardian or Victorian either because it was as you said in the US.
@@AndyD.21 Yeah I'm not sure why we do that either. I mean we faught a war to separate from England but we still use their royalty to name eras. It's odd.
when meme mom updates at 12:02am, but your still on your phone, and you click...
More like "when meme mom uploads at 09:02 am and you are already on your phone, and you click"
Yup, she is in Poland now so hehehe
When meme mom updates at 3:02 pm
Dont you mean... You're???? Not your????
I wonder if she ever watch the Sherlock Holmes series made in the 80's by Granada in my small knowledge of historic fashion they did a good job but it would be awesome to know her option. Beside it is a wonderful serie the closest to the book ever made.
I personally adore the 1880's era of the Victorian era, mostly because the torso was so tailored and fitted.
I think people tend to associate the Victorian Era as dark & macabre because the goth community has incorporated it into a subculture known as "romantic goth" & because of Edgar Allan Poe being popularized too. 👏Very interesting video, Karolina👏
Yes, also Victorian goth
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Thanks for another really interesting discussion. By the way, I love your “alpine braids” hairstyle, it is such a classic European style, and one of my favorites when I had really long hair. As you said, fashions were so diverse over the long Victorian Period that it is hard to generalize a single “look” of the era. I think the only aspects that were consistent throughout the period, for adolescent and adult women, were: 1. Long-skirted dresses ending at, near, or trailing at the floor level; 2. Fullness in all or part of the skirt; 3. Silhouette with a tight, fitted waist, at or near the natural waist line, and 4. Use of many, mostly feminine, trims and details, including but not limited to, pleating, ruching, ruffles, lace, braids, fringe and other passementerie, embroidery, ribbons, decorative buttons, insertions and multiple layers with swags, festoons, etc. As you said, fabrics were just too varied to generalize, except in the sense that they were all made with natural fibers in the earlier part of the period, manmade fibers like Rayon, and Synthetic fabrics like polyester were still in the future. Natural (plant or animal based) dyes were used in the earlier part of the period, but the invention of aniline dyes later in the period led to a profusion of strong, bright, and even wild (to modern eyes) colors. Also common is the use of multiple, mostly washable (sometimes the outermost petticoat was made of, for example, stiffened silk taffeta) undergarments, long-hair styled completely or partly put-up, and a variety of specific-use, mostly feminine-style accessories. I think flatter to mid-heeled leather or fabric shoes and boots (often buttoned), and over-the-knee length stockings held up with garters, were also fairly consistent. I also agree that black, gray, and brown colors were chosen to be budget-conscious and versatile for many different occasions, or “serviceable” as they said. Lower middle-and lower-class women, who could afford one “good dress”, usually chose one of these darker colors. Keep up the great work!
I love this video so so much! I would love to see you do a fashion video for each of these decades (maybe sometimes with a model, although I realize it would be nearly impossible to get authentic dresses from these eras); there is so much here to unpack, and I am here for it! This must be the 3rd time I've watched this
What bothers me personally is that the whole modern memento mori thing is something that the goth subculture created but mainstream society went all, “oh that’s what it looked like” without doing research. Literally, there is a difference between recreation of Victorian fashion and gothic Victorian styles which take ONLY from the mourning styles and not the everyday stuff. (Although i do think that it’s really pretty to add the everyday stuff in with those looks)
Rhiannon Not to be nitpicky, and I’m probably not understanding your comment correctly, but the goth subculture didn’t create memento mori as a practice and concept. It has been around for a very long time, and was a big part of Christianity (particularly Catholics). That traditional practice is having a resurgence among some modern Catholics nowadays which is interesting too
Edit: Re-reading your comment I think. I didn’t read it wrong? If that’s the case, my bad lol
10/10 would watch you flip out over fashion history again!
P.S. don't listen to the haters, i live for your hilarious historical roleplay
I always imagine what people in 100 years from now are going to say about our fashion. Let's be real, It's trash.
They had trash back then too, only the nice designs survive the test of time
I just wear jeans and a hoodie everyday...
@@nyangata7278 are you me?
@@Bubukat7777 Perhaps.
@My name is Dannye that's why I walk around naked
I think people confuse Victorian era with SteamPunk 🤣
I saw the title and audibly went "yes drag their historical inaccuracies meme mom"
I think that the stereotype about victorian era being so dark may also come from the fact that it is a beloved era of certain subcategory of goth subculture, so if people meet contemporary outfits inspired by the era it's usually black colours, mourning attire and all that jazz. And then people may also assume that the time period that created Dracula or Jekyll and Hyde HAS tO be spOOOOky, RiGht?????
Thanks for an awesome and informative video, as always :D
well, queen Victoria mourned her beloved Albert after his death in 1861 for many years, mourning fashion was at its peak at that time.
Ya it inspired the Gothic scene. I hate when people say it was inspired off of music like susie and the Banshees! Or David Bowie and Queen! What??! I want bang my head against the wall! LOL
@@QUEENOBSCURE The goth subculture is a music based subculture that includes bands like Siouxsie and The Banshees (she invented the traditional/original female goth look of the 80s). However, Victorian goths and romantic goths are inspired by the Victorian era. But goth fashion comes in more than just 3 flavours obviously. We don't think we look like Victorians, but we love history and pulling elements from it to create interesting fashion of our own.
I also agree that the goth subculture started off as a music based culture, but I do not believe that it is the embodiment of the genre as a whole anymore. Even though people will argue now over the meaning of what being goth is now, it most certainly started as a music based subculture! Love me some The Cure!
Jazz wasn't around until the 1920's.
I would love to hear you talk about Polish 19th century fashion
People misunderstand Gothic, as well.
I saw a comment on The Favourite about it being "Lovely Victorian Fashion!" and I just thought that like would trigger the hell out of our meme mom. I mean QUEEN ANNE IS LITERALLY IN THE MOVIE.
If y'all wanna know how Victorian ppl dressed, watch channels like Prior Attire.
Hoo yes!!
I'm so glad you made this video!!! For the longest time I thought I was wrong even though through Music, History, English, Drama we got to do research and I usually researched about people and fashion and different movements as well.
Victorian fashion is not Edwardian but Edwardian is somewhat part and developed from Victorian
I could listen to her talk about historical fashion all day! I LOVE that it's accurate and I love her passion! I'm a genealogist and I love picturing my various ancestors who lived during these times and what they wore when.
When you see everyone talking about how late it is, and you're just sipping your morning coffee while watching MEME MOM. Good morning from this timezone.
Same thing here 👀🍵👍
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England here lads, 7 am... Having a nice bath to keep myself alive because I'm too tired to hold a shower thing over my head today-
I love to see how your english gets better with every video you make and also I miss your cat. Where is that a**hole???
This is brilliant! Thank you so much for your incredible drawings and this slice of fashion history.
I love your videos, especially when you clarify fashion history so beautifully!
I need videos like this. Because you’re able to say people are really stupid, but you say it so much nicer. 😂
People are not stupid. They are not documented about the subject. We all have an area in science or cooking that we are "stupid" at..
I agree with both of you. :D
It's such a knee-jerk reaction to want to smack your head into something and yell at people, but that is not particularly constructive. Getting into historical fashion is such a minefield, it makes it really hard to start. Most newbies get 'blown up' at some point, but I recently met a girl who told me the story of how she met a more historically accurate costumer who DIDN'T attack, simply invited her to come visit and get some help improving her simple outfit.. now she is happily frolicking through historical reenactment events with a small band of other young ladies in very respectable period correct layers! We all need more patience and faith in others, I'm still trying to understand what makes me want to explode in the face of innocent ignorance. It's not a crime, it's a starting place!
@P3891 - Ms Karolina was referring to professional costume designers and production companies who don't put in the effort to get their shows more accurate. She wasn't speaking of amateur clothing makers or "people" in general.
I'll tell you right now; the dark grim imagery we think of when we think "Victorian"? That's goths' fault. Our bad. We just really love that shit and we're one of the few groups of people crazy enough to actually go out looking like that for no reason. 😂
I love these videos! I did enjoy the role play in your last one. I hope you decide to do more of these!
Literally just dropping a comment to say that I LOVED the role playing! I was cracking up!! I just literally discovered your channel yesterday, started watching again this morning with the 1920's video, cracked up, hit pause, liked, and subscribed. You're so funny!!
I keep seeing people call the Georgian era show Harlots "Victorian." Like...what???
Can you review the show the UK show Victoria? I'd love to see your views on how accurate the costumes are. Love the channel btw!
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I was thinking the same thing!
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My favorite Victorian fashion era was early to mid 1860s. The off shoulder ball gowns of that time were breathtaking. A huge Victorian period drama pet peeve of mine is when they use nighttime wear and daytime wear interchangeably. Yes poor women had very little clothing, but I would argue that a great deal of them still knew what was appropriate for daywear and what was appropriate for nighttime wear.
Thank you for all that knowledge and taking the time to make a video. I know a lot of fashion history people get peeved when articles like that come out that are inaccurate, and I totally understand. The hardest thing for me is when people are new and willing to dive into learning, and the people who are well educated in fashion history make us feel like things should be common sense. It is really hindering for new people to learn with others out there who put them down for not knowing the basics. People are curious and are obviously coming on here to learn and correct themselves. Thank you for being kind about it.
Hi, meme mom can you do a video about 1960's fashion? It really bugs me when fashion videos, magazines, or movies make 60's fashion look like the cliche hippie style or just hairstyles with a small bump. It is my favorite era of fashion and music. It was so diverse in fashion from French ye-ye girls, Motown, British invasion, and the difference between U.S. east coast and west coast girls.
I think the misconception is due to Americans looking at the period through an American lense. For example, when you showed a picture of the ladies wearing crinolines I immediately thought of Scarlett O'hara from Gone With the Wind, lol
Those gowns from the 1850s I've honestly always referred to as Antebellum(though I'm well aware that refers more to the architecture style).
When I see the crinolines I think of Empress Sissi from the 50s German sissi movies... different lenses show different things !
As a American...I can live with that. I didn't really understand the monarchy ages thing till I got into history. We attach our history periods to whatever is loudest at the time, ex Cowboys, Gilded Age, Depression. Most of the time this describes a short time period or something specific so I can see things easily getting lost in translation.
To be fair I have never seen Gone With the Wind so I don't know how much that inflounced my point of view.
@@daniellegroves4830 You have never watched Gone With The Wind? Oh, please make that a priority. Vivien Leigh and Clark Gable, all the cast - Scarlett's clothes - OMG! It is great!
I've never learned so much about period fashion anywhere else than from you on your channel, seriously films should be hiring you if they're not already! You really know your stuff
I loved the role playing - please do more of it!
I love the roleplay videos!! Don't let them tell you what to dooo
I also wonder if the notion of dark and gloomy Victorian era comes from the black and white photography. Visual material from previous centuries comes in forms of paintings and surviving garments etc. Those were done in color most often, literally painting us bright and colorful images of the times. Of course we have paintings from Victorian era too, but in addition to that, the newfangled photography was all the rage (for those who could afford it), so we also have quite a lot of surviving photography, which is in black and white. (Color photography was experimented during Victorian era but it was not at that time available for masses.)
Combine the color theme with the fact that photography was slow and expensive for most, so most could not afford to "mess around" in the photo. They had to hold still for a long time and as smile is quite hard to hold for long time, most of the photographs are about very serious looking people. (We do have counter examples obviously.) So no wonder we see Victorians as very stiff, formal and gloomy bunch of people! That is what the visual material available for us tells.
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You explain things so clearly and it's great. 😊 It's so true that a lot of people mistake Edwardian fashion for Victorian. I often see people mistake Regency era fashion for Victorian fashion too. 🤷♀️ I'd love to see a video on the hairstyles.
BibbidiBobbidi Bunny it’s cuz they all these fashions coexisted side by side,
I believe we DO have those crazy changes in fashion from one decade to another... The 90's vs the emo-rock punk era? The kardashian's look today?
It's hella wild.
i loved the role play in the beginning it was entertaining and relatable and it sets you apart from other youtubers on this subject. it’s not just a long intro it’s actual substance of the video, it’s a PART of the video.. so don’t listen to those few people, they could just skip ahead if it’s too long.
I think some of the gothic Victorian misconceptions can also come from literature too (at least it does for me). Lots of gothic literature and penny dreadfuls started to pop up around the Victorian era from Jane Eyre to Dracula and other classics like Dr Jeckyl and Mr Hyde and The Picture of Dorian Grey, and with authors like Poe and Emily Dickinson who focused a lot on death and other dark themes. So while these were not the only authors of the time, they are all pretty well known and fall into that gothic area and all seem to come from or end up in the Victorian era. Since fiction uses a lot of imagery to get its themes across, I wouldn't be surprised if many characters clothing were darker in tone to match the tone of the novel, creating the gothic look in words. Granted, I haven't read many of these gothic books for about 7 years, but I do remember them being influential to my little goth soul as an English major who especially likes ghosts and vampires and such. So influential that as a youngin I trusted the costuming decisions of people recreating those gothic stories into films and, thus, we may be tricked--maybe sometimes inadvertently--into thinking Victorian era styles and color pallets were mostly gothic.
I really like that I'm doing my own research now and learning more about historical dress through videos and academic articles and stuff though to reform my misconceptions about eras I liked reading about or watching movies about.