3:51 Changing the flow rate WILL change the pressure when there’s coffee in the basket. Only when the flow is completely blocked (by a blind filter) will the pressure always go up to the maximum. Flow control isn’t ideal to set pressure (because it depends on the resistance of the coffee) but you can change the pressure significantly using the flow control of this machine.
Yes you are correct, what I meant was you can’t adjust it to set the base pressure like you can on other machines with a blind. You can control the flow to set the water debit which yes does impact pressure depending on the resistance, I just didn’t explain it well 😝
I can’t wait to see the higher end Turin machine come out soon. Probably gonna be doubled in price but but with better controls over brewing. They also gonna have a cheaper version below the legato.
This is not a Turin machine but a rebranded Chinese machine sold under many names. From my understanding there already exists higher end versions of this in the Asian market.
Just ordered one for $399 with the coupon code. I'm coming from a Flair Pro 2 so I'm interested to see if I can get similar quality espresso with the added benefit of steamed milk. I also like that its 58mm (for upgradeability) and I expect the community mods for this will be going crazy in a year or two. Would love to see some mods around pressure control and a better, low-pressure pre-infusion.
maybe is enable. Turn on the steam, press and hold the manual button until it shows C9 on PIP to get boiling water from the steam wand. to go back to steam turn off steam knot
Great review. This is the machine that Kafmasino has modified to create the KAFMASINO ONE. That additional functionality is very impressive, Decent like, but with a higher price tag!
Honestly better than I expected, wires and tubing was routed nicely with heat protection. It is all silicone and rubber hoses, no metal plumbing except the fittings.
Cannot pull shot and Steam milk at the same time. They both use the same pump, it does not have a second pump. So either the brew head or Thermal block can use the pump one at a time. The thermal block does help that you don’t have to wait for boiler to heat up, also boiler will always be at brew temp.
Funny you should ask... I tried!!! I took the OPV from a Breville Dual Boiler cause they use a similar style pump and it did some weird things! It would pull several shots with pretty consistent pressures then would start to have trouble controlling the pressure. Not sure if it was an issue with the OPV or with this particular pump with an OPV but it didn't seem to like it. That said though, I don't see why it wouldn't work but I can't explain my experience. It shouldn't be a problem to plumb one in and get it to work, it may just take some trial and error experimenting with different OPV's.
@@coffeenerdaaron Interesting. I think those OPV's may need cleaning and servicing from time to time. Or just plain replacing. I just replaced the original OPV on and old Rancilio Silvia with the new style OPV. And it works much better. Next is to install the PID kit that I bought for it that has been sitting around for about a year. I somewhat am interested in those Turin Machines. Once I hear more of the longer-term reviews on how they hold up.
seems like i might have been a bit happier with this as a starter machine over the GCP - but i've moved on from that, so not sure what to do with that information...lol
Im confused. so the pre infusion for this device any good? the 2nd button is for the automatic which is programmable by long press right? So that makes sense. indeed it looks good.
I can’t give you an honest answer on that cause I’ve not used either one of those machines. From what I’ve seen of the Lelit’a and Profitec machines they seem to be made very nicely!
It doesn't have a hot water spigot like some other espresso machines do so thats a bummer, but if you don't mind adding hot water from another source to make your Americano then I don't see why it wouldn't be! It makes great espresso.
Love your videos I have a question I am about to enter the espresso world Would you recommend me to buy a medium performance espresso machine that has a built in ok grinder (like Breville express empress) Or a budget espresso machine (like delonghi dedica) + a good grinder (like varia)
Thanks!! I had a Dedica a long time ago and I did not care for it personally. With a machine like this having the 58mm industry standard portafilter size and more precise control over some aspects like boiler temp make this such an amazing option for the cost. I do understand the added cost of a grinder so the Breville’s with built in grinders are a nice option, however I’m not a fan of those grinders. I had a Breville Smart Grinder Pro (same as the built in grinders) for a while and while it got the job done I quickly outgrew it as I learned more about brewing coffee. Also having a better external grinder gives you the option of getting something nicer that can better grind for other brewing methods and potentially be upgraded with better burrs. I think in the long run a machine like this plus a nicer grinder is a better long term option but that’s just my personal thoughts. I know a lot of people get good results and like the Brevilles.
GCP has that 3 way solenoid valve, so in the end of process u got a very nice dry puck in ur portafilter, right. What about this one? Also, can u do that 9bar spring opv mod like in the Gaggia? Cheers☕
As far as I know it does have a 3 way valve, when you stop the shot it drains excess water into the drip tray and the pucks have been dry. I’m planning to open it up soon and see what the plumbing looks like and see about doing an OPV or some sort of pressure control.
Nice review! For people getting started in espresso, this seems like a good option but it's important to add a grinder ($200+) to the total cost of entry into the hobby. So, for $700 USD, are there good options worth considering? Some of the Brevilles and the GCP might be worth a look.
Thanks for the review! I just watched your Kingrinder K6 video. I think those two paired together can make some really tasty espresso. I just sold my whole bambino plus and accessories, so I'm considering those two for my next machine.
Well, Turin Legato (Apex, etc.) is quite impressive. I won't tell the "pros" here but the 4 main "cons" I detected: 1/ pre-infusion is at full pressure destroying the puck, (solution would be to implement some new knob dimming pi pressure and launch the extraction in a smooth way) 2/ no OPV (but this should be not difficult to implement for next version), 3/ spare pieces? where? 4/ weak shower screen, Former version of the Legato had a HUGE flaw wrt pre-infusion. And they fixed it (but see point 2 above, remaining flaw) because famous people complaining recently on YT !! This model is quite old and spread in Asia etc. There are factories for grinders and different factories for espresso machines. I will wait, not bying until they fix the 3 first main "cons". But let's say it is not "difficult" to implement an OPV and a dimmer to control the pression out of the pump. That should be a hack to controll manually pre-infusion. So maybe RIP gaggia classic,..., or evolve quickly, I mean true "evo v2".
Unfortunately no, but it uses the same style Ulka pump you’ll find in a lot of machines that you may be able to adapt an opv from if you wanted to mod it.
I would probably recommend something a little more commercial to be used in a cafe environment, even though 30 shots a day isn’t a ton in a cafe setting, this is more of a home machine.
Yes it has solenoids to turn the water flow on and off for the group head and steam wand independently, and one that is a relief for the group head after you stop the shot to redirect pressure and water off the portafilter.
@@portakeeperThanks for confirming this. That was my understanding, too. I watched one of Espresso Outlet’s videos on the Turin Legato and I think they mentioned that they ordered some upgrades but I didn’t fully catch what they were. Do you happen to have any more information on the differences?
@@failyx1 It's the CRM3007L coz it has the added pressure gauge in the bottom and a stronger steaming (info came from the manufacturer shunde corrima).
Seems strange that so many people are reviewing this white label product right now given that it has been around ages under the guise of different brands.
Everyone has different budgets and needs, and everyone is at a different stage with their coffee. Also, regardless of machine, you can make great coffee with equipment at different budgets. I’m not saying this is the greatest espresso machine ever made, I’m saying for the money, it’s decent and has some nice features. It’s relative to the price point.
@@coffeenerdaaron A cheap product may ultimately cost more due to inferior quality, frequent replacements, and hidden expenses like repairs. This machine is made in China, so lower production costs may be compromised by substandard materials or manufacturing practices, leading to frequent replacements.
@@Ron-tr2wr I absolutely do not disagree with that, and I would always encourage someone who has the means to buy something higher quality and longer lasting to do so. But not everyone is in that position and still wants to have the best coffee experience they can at home, that’s why I share my thoughts on these things.
@@Ron-tr2wr what he said. bought this thing from Mii on Amazon and it's total junk. Edges weren't flush, the preinfusion might as well not be there, overall - returned it for a Breville (another machine that isn't the best build-wise but I trust the brand more than Turin).
3:51 Changing the flow rate WILL change the pressure when there’s coffee in the basket.
Only when the flow is completely blocked (by a blind filter) will the pressure always go up to the maximum.
Flow control isn’t ideal to set pressure (because it depends on the resistance of the coffee) but you can change the pressure significantly using the flow control of this machine.
Yes you are correct, what I meant was you can’t adjust it to set the base pressure like you can on other machines with a blind. You can control the flow to set the water debit which yes does impact pressure depending on the resistance, I just didn’t explain it well 😝
@@coffeenerdaaron
It’s easy to criticise on other’s work.
I’ve yet to make my first video. 😉
Aaron the contents amazing! Great review!
Thank you man!!!
I can’t wait to see the higher end Turin machine come out soon. Probably gonna be doubled in price but but with better controls over brewing. They also gonna have a cheaper version below the legato.
Yeah I’m excited for those too! So many good options for coffee things now, especially the Turin stuff with its big bump in quality.
This is not a Turin machine but a rebranded Chinese machine sold under many names. From my understanding there already exists higher end versions of this in the Asian market.
@@Persason that's what Turin does. They don't design anything. Simply import already-made products
Well, it us T.Legato, Miicoffee, Gemilai... @@Persason
Just ordered one for $399 with the coupon code. I'm coming from a Flair Pro 2 so I'm interested to see if I can get similar quality espresso with the added benefit of steamed milk. I also like that its 58mm (for upgradeability) and I expect the community mods for this will be going crazy in a year or two. Would love to see some mods around pressure control and a better, low-pressure pre-infusion.
Can you tell me how did you get the coupon code? Thanks in advance
Yes, which code?
He used the coupon code that espresso outlet was giving out 3 months ago when it launched its no longer available.
I bought one from Espresso Outlet and also a DF64 espresso burr to pair with it; cannot wait to get it.
Nice!!
maybe is enable. Turn on the steam, press and hold the manual button until it shows C9 on PIP to get boiling water from the steam wand. to go back to steam turn off steam knot
Great review. This is the machine that Kafmasino has modified to create the KAFMASINO ONE. That additional functionality is very impressive, Decent like, but with a higher price tag!
Thanks for the info! 😊
What is the build like inside
Honestly better than I expected, wires and tubing was routed nicely with heat protection. It is all silicone and rubber hoses, no metal plumbing except the fittings.
Cannot pull shot and Steam milk at the same time. They both use the same pump, it does not have a second pump. So either the brew head or Thermal block can use the pump one at a time. The thermal block does help that you don’t have to wait for boiler to heat up, also boiler will always be at brew temp.
Yes you are correct, I was wrong on that and I meant to cut that out but I forgot. Thanks for pointing that out! I edited it out 😬
To me, not having to purge the boiler after steaming milk is a huge benefit, even though it's only got 1 pump, as you said.
any idea on the temperature on thermal block? same as brew boiler ?
The pressure gauge is placed in a very special position
Why do companies keep setting their machines to such high pressures?
Just set it to 9 Bar out the box!
I wish somebody would do a teardown video of this machine
I’m planning to as soon as I have time!!
Tom’s Coffee Corner did one for the MiiCoffee Apex which is the same machine
It's very cheap inside , it's made in China under various name.
Very helpful, thanks !
Are people adding an OPV to this yet?
Funny you should ask... I tried!!! I took the OPV from a Breville Dual Boiler cause they use a similar style pump and it did some weird things! It would pull several shots with pretty consistent pressures then would start to have trouble controlling the pressure. Not sure if it was an issue with the OPV or with this particular pump with an OPV but it didn't seem to like it. That said though, I don't see why it wouldn't work but I can't explain my experience. It shouldn't be a problem to plumb one in and get it to work, it may just take some trial and error experimenting with different OPV's.
@@coffeenerdaaron Interesting. I think those OPV's may need cleaning and servicing from time to time. Or just plain replacing. I just replaced the original OPV on and old Rancilio Silvia with the new style OPV. And it works much better. Next is to install the PID kit that I bought for it that has been sitting around for about a year. I somewhat am interested in those Turin Machines. Once I hear more of the longer-term reviews on how they hold up.
yes
seems like i might have been a bit happier with this as a starter machine over the GCP - but i've moved on from that, so not sure what to do with that information...lol
Yeah I feel the same way, it's nice for a starter machine
Is it Partial Boiler and Thermoblock?
@@davidcarlin3850 yes it’s a thermoblock for steam and a standard pump and boiler for the group head.
Under which name is the machine available in europe? I cant find it under the name Turin Legato.
I'm honestly not sure, I believe in Canada it's sold by Mii Coffee, but I'm not sure about Europe, sorry! If you find out let us know :)
@@coffeenerdaaron Thanks. I'll search further.
Original factory and brand is called Gemilai. Not sure if this helps.
Im confused. so the pre infusion for this device any good? the 2nd button is for the automatic which is programmable by long press right? So that makes sense. indeed it looks good.
Hey do u have any tips on the bar pressure? Mine always go up to 12 bar, but the brew time still around 25-30 sec
How does it compare to other PID machines such as Lelit Anna and Profitec Go?
I can’t give you an honest answer on that cause I’ve not used either one of those machines. From what I’ve seen of the Lelit’a and Profitec machines they seem to be made very nicely!
No mention of the filter basket diameter or if the stock baskets are pressurized or not.
58mm, non pressurized
Does it come with that metal milk jug?
No, pitchers are separate
Is this a good machine for caffe americano? Thank you for sharing!
It doesn't have a hot water spigot like some other espresso machines do so thats a bummer, but if you don't mind adding hot water from another source to make your Americano then I don't see why it wouldn't be! It makes great espresso.
is there no option for hot water?
No unfortunately there is no spigot
Love your videos
I have a question
I am about to enter the espresso world
Would you recommend me to buy a medium performance espresso machine that has a built in ok grinder (like Breville express empress)
Or a budget espresso machine (like delonghi dedica) + a good grinder (like varia)
Thanks!! I had a Dedica a long time ago and I did not care for it personally. With a machine like this having the 58mm industry standard portafilter size and more precise control over some aspects like boiler temp make this such an amazing option for the cost. I do understand the added cost of a grinder so the Breville’s with built in grinders are a nice option, however I’m not a fan of those grinders. I had a Breville Smart Grinder Pro (same as the built in grinders) for a while and while it got the job done I quickly outgrew it as I learned more about brewing coffee. Also having a better external grinder gives you the option of getting something nicer that can better grind for other brewing methods and potentially be upgraded with better burrs. I think in the long run a machine like this plus a nicer grinder is a better long term option but that’s just my personal thoughts. I know a lot of people get good results and like the Brevilles.
👍Thank you very much @@coffeenerdaaron
GCP has that 3 way solenoid valve, so in the end of process u got a very nice dry puck in ur portafilter, right. What about this one? Also, can u do that 9bar spring opv mod like in the Gaggia? Cheers☕
As far as I know it does have a 3 way valve, when you stop the shot it drains excess water into the drip tray and the pucks have been dry. I’m planning to open it up soon and see what the plumbing looks like and see about doing an OPV or some sort of pressure control.
Nice review! For people getting started in espresso, this seems like a good option but it's important to add a grinder ($200+) to the total cost of entry into the hobby. So, for $700 USD, are there good options worth considering? Some of the Brevilles and the GCP might be worth a look.
a good grinder is always needed regardless of coffee machine to choose... so other options should be at $500 price as well, not $700
Have you tried it with light roast coffee?
Yes, I mostly drink light roast, it does well
Nice video fun and informative, nicely done
Thank you!!!😊
@@coffeenerdaaron your welcome sir
Thanks for the review! I just watched your Kingrinder K6 video. I think those two paired together can make some really tasty espresso. I just sold my whole bambino plus and accessories, so I'm considering those two for my next machine.
Nice! Thanks for watching 😊
Well, Turin Legato (Apex, etc.) is quite impressive. I won't tell the "pros" here but the 4 main "cons" I detected:
1/ pre-infusion is at full pressure destroying the puck, (solution would be to implement some new knob dimming pi pressure and launch the extraction in a smooth way)
2/ no OPV (but this should be not difficult to implement for next version),
3/ spare pieces? where?
4/ weak shower screen,
Former version of the Legato had a HUGE flaw wrt pre-infusion. And they fixed it (but see point 2 above, remaining flaw) because famous people complaining recently on YT !!
This model is quite old and spread in Asia etc. There are factories for grinders and different factories for espresso machines.
I will wait, not bying until they fix the 3 first main "cons".
But let's say it is not "difficult" to implement an OPV and a dimmer to control the pression out of the pump. That should be a hack to controll manually pre-infusion.
So maybe RIP gaggia classic,..., or evolve quickly, I mean true "evo v2".
Is OPV bypass pressure able to be set to 9 BAR?
Unfortunately no, but it uses the same style Ulka pump you’ll find in a lot of machines that you may be able to adapt an opv from if you wanted to mod it.
Does anyone know where to get a single hole steam tip for the Turin Lagoto?
I want to start my small cafe with a limited budget, do u recommend that for 30shots per day
I would probably recommend something a little more commercial to be used in a cafe environment, even though 30 shots a day isn’t a ton in a cafe setting, this is more of a home machine.
@@coffeenerdaaron thank you sir
Does it has solenoid valve?
Yes it has solenoids to turn the water flow on and off for the group head and steam wand independently, and one that is a relief for the group head after you stop the shot to redirect pressure and water off the portafilter.
Is this the same as that new miicoffee machine?
yes
Yes, in China it‘s called Corrima / Gemilai CRM3007G
No, the Legsto has upgrades that the others do not.
@@portakeeperThanks for confirming this. That was my understanding, too. I watched one of Espresso Outlet’s videos on the Turin Legato and I think they mentioned that they ordered some upgrades but I didn’t fully catch what they were. Do you happen to have any more information on the differences?
@@failyx1 It's the CRM3007L coz it has the added pressure gauge in the bottom and a stronger steaming (info came from the manufacturer shunde corrima).
Nice!
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I love how all these Legato reviews, no one seems to want to open the machine.
Seems strange that so many people are reviewing this white label product right now given that it has been around ages under the guise of different brands.
I’m not 100% familiar with the history of this machine, I just know it’s new to me and a new addition to Turin’s product lineup.
instead of constantly apologising for not opening the machine how about just actually opening it?
It's his video he can do what the heck he wants dude
@@noorquttienehAs long as he doesn’t care for subs or likes then I completely agree
THIS IS SO LELIT
P00 🤣
😂
coffee nerd? or content creator?... A real nerd will not recommend this machine.
Everyone has different budgets and needs, and everyone is at a different stage with their coffee. Also, regardless of machine, you can make great coffee with equipment at different budgets. I’m not saying this is the greatest espresso machine ever made, I’m saying for the money, it’s decent and has some nice features. It’s relative to the price point.
@@coffeenerdaaron A cheap product may ultimately cost more due to inferior quality, frequent replacements, and hidden expenses like repairs. This machine is made in China, so lower production costs may be compromised by substandard materials or manufacturing practices, leading to frequent replacements.
@@Ron-tr2wr I absolutely do not disagree with that, and I would always encourage someone who has the means to buy something higher quality and longer lasting to do so. But not everyone is in that position and still wants to have the best coffee experience they can at home, that’s why I share my thoughts on these things.
@@Ron-tr2wr what he said. bought this thing from Mii on Amazon and it's total junk. Edges weren't flush, the preinfusion might as well not be there, overall - returned it for a Breville (another machine that isn't the best build-wise but I trust the brand more than Turin).