Appreciate the size comparison ... Very interesting ... Not sure, but think I'll stay with my LC9s ... That Sig may hold 10 rounds, but I can use Ruger 9 round mag as a backup/spare ... Just doesn't seem worth an extra $300 +/- for the Sig, especially now as you can get a Ruger EC9s for about $250 or little less. Also, the Ruger is just slightly lighter in weight, and the mags are less expensive.
I'm looking at an LC9S Pro for $230.00 online. That's less than half as much as the Sig. And the Sig is still having problems. Who care if there are 3 more rounds. I'm looking to protect myself. I'm not going to a gunfight.
Try MagGuts dot com. I have a LC9s too. This company replaces the follower and spring in the standard 7 rd mag to allow +1. So now my LC9s is 8+1 with the flush fitting mag. Put 200 rounds through it. No problem
Very good explanation of how the triggers felt. One important thing that wasn’t mentioned (that most probably already know) is the magazine capacity between the two. That being said, this was an excellent comparison.
There's no comparison. The Ruger goes bang every time. the venerable Sig has earned reputation of being a lemon and unreliable for many owners. The online price for the Sig is twice as much. Why are we even having a discussion of which one we might buy?
Cause capacity... Also the reset on the Ruger is shit. Its subjective but someone whom practices with a sharp, short, and audible reset is literally the difference between your followup shot or death.
I daily carry an LC9s pro. Mine shipped with a flush magazine plate and the extension was included in box. I really didn't think the P365 could be as small as the Ruger. Now I have to buy a new gun.
Save your money Sig has bugs to work out, Ruger is as Dependable as a rock. Gf's 365 had a lot of jams at the Rams yesterday Ruger LC9s never missed a beat.
I would add a tip for advisement. Notice how the slide is very narrow to distance of the grip of the 365. Many are having difficulty shooting the Sig with a two handed grip. Also the Sig has a very large take down lever on that narrow slide. Both are proving to be very awkward for shooting and if you have a large hand and long fingers it will prove to be problematic. There also seems to be many shooters that are stopping the slide from going all the way to the rear, and jamming the gun. Also because has been going on, there are a many post that are asking how to alter their normal grip style. You might want to actually buy or rent the gun to see if it will work out for you. There are many other choices out there. And also consider that these small guns are suppose to be designed to be snag free. The Hulky take down lever and the Slide Stop could or should never have been placed on such a NARROW SLIDE TO GRIP SMALL FIREARM.
I hope any initial intermittent issues get worked out quickly. I'd like to see this be successful and drive others to emulate the concept. Capacity vs. grip/mag size is the bane of conceal carry. Unfortunately, another issues-with-battery video came out yesterday, albeit someone who was gripping it poorly. The problem is this issue could kill the 365 before it really gets a chance. Let us know what you hear from Sig. -
Bought the Sig (born date of 28 June 2018) and put about 500 rounds through it, not a problem, other then the ergonomics for me are all off, the weapon doesn't naturally go on target ( when I hold the pistol with my index finger along side the barrel and point that finger at target, the sights should line up on it, the Sig didn't it was canted to the left) like my LC9s Pro or Glock 43. Also didn't like the magazines where you have to be a gorilla to put the last 3 or 4 rounds into it. Didn't care for the sand paper finish on the grips either. Gun was also over the pushed envelope of weight for pocket carry for me.This and the lingering reliability questions, forced me to take it to my LGS, and put it up on consignment. Back to the Ruger and the Glock, the loss of three rounds doesn't bother me a bit for weapons that naturally point and are light enough to pocket carry.
Just a bit of critique ... When you compared, mag related, you didn't toss in the 365's included pinky ext. mag. Might have been nice to have that detail. Also, if you could set things up with different lighting to grab more details from the weapons you're reviewing as well as the audio with a mic relocation to eliminate the echo. Just tryin to help brother. Keep it up .. Love em ...;)
Ruger lc9s for the win got a very capable little pistol in 9mm equiped with night sights and the lasermax flashlight and laser combo that gun is what you call an ewc gun everywhere carry I have Glocks two sigs some smiths Springfield etc even by today's standard this gun is the most smooth and contoured carry gun in my opinion
Harry, would you mind measuring the distance between the receiver and the amount of grip space on the grip. And if possible It would be very nice to weigh the receiver with the guide rod assembly. And then weight the barrel. Since you own both guns, have you seen any difference in recoil, most especially with muzzle flip and muzzle rise between the two guns? Thanks for a great review.
Dave Gass I had an idea for a holster that would work with dress clothing and still have reasonable access. One thing lead to another and it became a full time gig. I used to sell real estate which paid well but wasn’t really fulfilling.
Harry's Holsters That's awesome Harry ! I hope your company does well and grows . It would make some awesome videos showing how you design and manufacture the holsters and show your company. Do you have many employees ?
I've had the LC9s, with a CT Red Dot, for some time now and bought a CYA Kidex holster for it but now satisfied. Have had gun to fall out. Recently bought a SIG P365. What would you recommend as a reliable, secure holster for each of them?
ANY news on issues with the 115 grain ammo going into battery as of yet from your thousand round test and review? Is it a consistent theme or just that particular model 365?
Harry's Holsters agreed... also needs to be able to handle the + p + Xtreme penetrator, and the plus P plus flat nose total Metal Jacket bonded from Buffalo Bore. My g43 with the extended magazine Springs do not handle it very well. If I'm going to have a 9 millimeter backup small gun it's got to be able to handle those well and not lose too much energy in performance
I had 500 bucks in my piggy bank and I chose the Ruger EC9S got it for $230 dollars out the door the sig is sweet but I was able to get maggots 15 dollars for the ec9s magazine and add one more round for the ec9s 7 and 9 in the chamber and a nine round magazine 9 and one in the chamber 10 and the Ruger Customer service is incredible good if you shoot somebody in self-defense the cops are going to take your Precious $5000 gun so I rather go with something that’s sweet and keep my James Bond gold gun away in the safe mag 30 bucks ammo
Some of these videos if not most cover the same thing over and over with nothing new to say. TH-cam allows people to try and be movie directors that flood the system.
New gun owner here. I have the Ruger security nine, and my wife just got the Glock 19. We’re looking for a third gun subcompact just to keep as a back up in the house strictly for home defense. Is the Sig realistically a better choice for our purposes at home for the additional $300? Or is the LCS9 the logical choice for us? Thanks!
Hmmm EC9s $209 vs P365 $499 ---- not rocket science. No way the Sig is worth $300 more.(IMO) My EC9s has performed flawlessly. Spending MORE doesn't make it better. Thanks for the vid
I agree , i finally made up my mind youre abdoluteley right its a hype with the sig p365 eventough it had its flaws it is a slick design and supposedly newer sigs are so far reporting to be ok however its not worth the extra 300 dollars for a pocket pistol. Ruger EC9s or the Lc9s if i can find one should fit my intend of use which is summer time pocket rocket.
Sig is an awesome gun, but like many new products has a few bugs to work out, LC9s is as Dependable as a big rock. 10 round mag is no good if you get off one or two and the gun jams. I'll take a gun with a 7 round mag that never misses a beat every time.
As I see it, the Sig P365 has the advanage on capacity, sights, and quick takedown. Size is so close, I think it is a toss up. With all the TH-cam videos that I have been watching, I am not going to touch a Sig P365 for at least a year. I think Sig came out with the P365 before they fully tested it to get the bugs out. So, if I were to buy a Sig P365 now, and if I have problems with it, I would have to send it back and wait in line until they take care of all the other people before me ! Plus, I have heard that the US Army is having trouble with their Sigs ! The "Pucker Factor" at Sig right now must be terrible.Ruger LC9s' have been around a long time, so advantage Ruger and Ruger Customer Service !Right or wrong, I want a safety on my pistols, so advantage Ruger LC9s. ( I am going to take out the Magazine Disconnect on my LC9s'.) I just purchased my Ruger LC9's for half the price of the Sig P365 ! I paid $215.00 (locally) for my Ruger LC9s ! Plus, I purchased a Ruger LC9s-SS Cerakote on line for $265.00 ! So, I got my Ruger's, 2 for 1, compared to the Sig P365 !Could I assume Cabela's are having trouble selling their Sig P365's ? For July 2018, Cabela's is selling a Sig P365 for $600, by giving away a holster, extra magazine, and 2 boxes of ammo in a package. (Supposedly, $179.00 worth of accessories.)Advantage Sig P365 for coming with 2 magazines, verses only one with the Ruger's.However, I purchased extra Ruger brand 7-Round magazines from MidwayUSA, on sale, for $14 and change, each ! I purchased 9-Round Ruger brand magazines for $28 and change each from Tombstone Tactical ! Sig wants $45.00- $50.00 for their extra magazines, plus I have been told they have been hard to come by, at least up to now.Sig P365 has the advantage in regards to a rail, where Ruger LC9s does not have a rail, but right now, the only thing that you can get for your Sig rail is a Sig Product. That means higher dollars. I purchased a red Laser for one of my Ruger's from Amazon for $80.00.Triggers are pretty equal, with maybe a slight edge to Ruger, but that is in the eye of the beholder.So, for those reasons, the Ruger LC9s is the better value for me.
Ruger trigger sucks, its very light. to the point that you cannot feel it. It surprises me every time i shoot it. safety unchecks every other time i put it in holster. i put it on safe and next time i see its ready to go and it kinda not good at all. recoil is hard, but i understand that its a small gun and it will be harder to shoot from it. you pay cheap and you get cheap product. i understand some people purchased it and no matter what they will stick to it. like i do. worse gun i have shot from
I've been carrying the LC9S for years and only once did I look my gun over at the end of the day and notice the safety was off. Got me wondering if I had forgotten to turn it on in the first place. 🤔 If a gun has a safety I use it religiously, so I'm thinking it was the gun but I can't be 100%. Only one malfunction when burning through some cheap reloaded ammo that I had lying around from the Obama days when that's all I could find at the local gun store. I love the trigger though, especially since my previous carry was an LCP. To each his own I guess!
Appreciate the size comparison ... Very interesting ... Not sure, but think I'll stay with my LC9s ... That Sig may hold 10 rounds, but I can use Ruger 9 round mag as a backup/spare ... Just doesn't seem worth an extra $300 +/- for the Sig, especially now as you can get a Ruger EC9s for about $250 or little less. Also, the Ruger is just slightly lighter in weight, and the mags are less expensive.
I'm looking at an LC9S Pro for $230.00 online. That's less than half as much as the Sig. And the Sig is still having problems. Who care if there are 3 more rounds. I'm looking to protect myself. I'm not going to a gunfight.
Try MagGuts dot com. I have a LC9s too. This company replaces the follower and spring in the standard 7 rd mag to allow +1. So now my LC9s is 8+1 with the flush fitting mag. Put 200 rounds through it. No problem
1 year later sig has 15rd mags
I went EC9S, conceals well, shoots well, no malfunctions, and consistent patterns. I bought a 10 round mag for it.
Very good explanation of how the triggers felt. One important thing that wasn’t mentioned (that most probably already know) is the magazine capacity between the two. That being said, this was an excellent comparison.
There's no comparison. The Ruger goes bang every time. the venerable Sig has earned reputation of being a lemon and unreliable for many owners. The online price for the Sig is twice as much. Why are we even having a discussion of which one we might buy?
Cause capacity... Also the reset on the Ruger is shit. Its subjective but someone whom practices with a sharp, short, and audible reset is literally the difference between your followup shot or death.
I daily carry an LC9s pro. Mine shipped with a flush magazine plate and the extension was included in box. I really didn't think the P365 could be as small as the Ruger. Now I have to buy a new gun.
Good to know. I bought this one used and this is the mag it came with. The P365 is crazy small.
Same here. I also have a Ruger LC9S Pro. I have a few Rugers, Colts, Smiths, and Glock. I have no Sigs; at least not this week. haha
Save your money Sig has bugs to work out, Ruger is as Dependable as a rock. Gf's 365 had a lot of jams at the Rams yesterday Ruger LC9s never missed a beat.
I shot my Sig P365 for the first time today - looks like I’m lucky - we shot 200 error free shots today - I love this Gun
I would add a tip for advisement. Notice how the slide is very narrow to distance of the grip of the 365. Many are having difficulty shooting the Sig with a two handed grip. Also the Sig has a very large take down lever on that narrow slide. Both are proving to be very awkward for shooting and if you have a large hand and long fingers it will prove to be problematic. There also seems to be many shooters that are stopping the slide from going all the way to the rear, and jamming the gun. Also because has been going on, there are a many post that are asking how to alter their normal grip style. You might want to actually buy or rent the gun to see if it will work out for you. There are many other choices out there. And also consider that these small guns are suppose to be designed to be snag free. The Hulky take down lever and the Slide Stop could or should never have been placed on such a NARROW SLIDE TO GRIP SMALL FIREARM.
After seeing some of the failure threads on Arfcom my Shield,G26, and LC9s will have to soldier on until SIG's metallurgy problems work out.
Ill keep my lc9s. May only hold 7 rounds but goes bang everytime and no broken firing pin or dead trigger after 2 magazines lol.
I agree!!!
But it dont shoot plus p ammo
I have a 2019 May produced one and have 2000 rounds through it not one jam one jam
@@blake5261 I have had a few stove pipes with target ammo but that's the only thing so far
Holds 7 and keep the ruger 9 rounds as a extra mag
That thing really is small, I had my doubts but now I have to get one.
steve lemieux Yes sir Me too!!!
It’s best in its class if you get a reliable one.
Harry's Holsters have the early reviews showed reliability issues?
Thanks for the comparison Harry. This answers a lot of my questions.
Sand-Paper-Pistol-Grips thank you sir!
My biggest complaint with my LC9 was the diminutive grip. The extra girth of the Sig might make it easier to shoot.
lol...."extra girth" of the Sig...appreciate the comedy!!!
I hope any initial intermittent issues get worked out quickly. I'd like to see this be successful and drive others to emulate the concept. Capacity vs. grip/mag size is the bane of conceal carry.
Unfortunately, another issues-with-battery video came out yesterday, albeit someone who was gripping it poorly. The problem is this issue could kill the 365 before it really gets a chance.
Let us know what you hear from Sig.
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Bought the Sig (born date of 28 June 2018) and put about 500 rounds through it, not a problem, other then the ergonomics for me are all off, the weapon doesn't naturally go on target ( when I hold the pistol with my index finger along side the barrel and point that finger at target, the sights should line up on it, the Sig didn't it was canted to the left) like my LC9s Pro or Glock 43. Also didn't like the magazines where you have to be a gorilla to put the last 3 or 4 rounds into it. Didn't care for the sand paper finish on the grips either. Gun was also over the pushed envelope of weight for pocket carry for me.This and the lingering reliability questions, forced me to take it to my LGS, and put it up on consignment. Back to the Ruger and the Glock, the loss of three rounds doesn't bother me a bit for weapons that naturally point and are light enough to pocket carry.
The Sig really is tiny. Awesome!
KSGunGuy can’t wait for you to get yours
I pick up my Sig on sat... really hope it’s reliable!!!
David Mengeling me too! If mine would have been reliable it would have replaced my 43.
Make a video showing the disassembly and inside of the sig 365 magazine
Just a bit of critique ...
When you compared, mag related, you didn't toss in the 365's included pinky ext. mag.
Might have been nice to have that detail.
Also, if you could set things up with different lighting to grab more details from the weapons you're reviewing as well as the audio with a mic relocation to eliminate the echo.
Just tryin to help brother.
Keep it up .. Love em ...;)
Thanks for the tips!
Ruger lc9s for the win got a very capable little pistol in 9mm equiped with night sights and the lasermax flashlight and laser combo that gun is what you call an ewc gun everywhere carry I have Glocks two sigs some smiths Springfield etc even by today's standard this gun is the most smooth and contoured carry gun in my opinion
Slightly smaller but 3 more rounds. Also $230 more. I’ll probably still end up with one
Ohio Guns & Deals me too... As long as their really drop safe!!!
I dropped my safe once, it cracked my tile floor!
C Kim Bahahaha
only 2 rounds difference if you add mag guts to your ruger mag
My guts to big already! :)
Harry, would you mind measuring the distance between the receiver and the amount of grip space on the grip. And if possible It would be very nice to weigh the receiver with the guide rod assembly. And then weight the barrel.
Since you own both guns, have you seen any difference in recoil, most especially with muzzle flip and muzzle rise between the two guns?
Thanks for a great review.
Good video Harry. How did you get started in the holster business ?
Dave Gass I had an idea for a holster that would work with dress clothing and still have reasonable access. One thing lead to another and it became a full time gig. I used to sell real estate which paid well but wasn’t really fulfilling.
Harry's Holsters That's awesome Harry ! I hope your company does well and grows . It would make some awesome videos showing how you design and manufacture the holsters and show your company. Do you have many employees ?
I've had the LC9s, with a CT Red Dot, for some time now and bought a CYA Kidex holster for it but now satisfied. Have had gun to fall out. Recently bought a SIG P365. What would you recommend as a reliable, secure holster for each of them?
You realize that with most Kydex holsters you can adjust the retention right? To make it fit tighter
ANY news on issues with the 115 grain ammo going into battery as of yet from your thousand round test and review? Is it a consistent theme or just that particular model 365?
still no word on my 365. Did Hudson ever got back to you ?
Bald&curious they haven’t. Frankly I’m hearing things that is making me hesitate to invest in tooling for it.
I don't carry gun (s) that has a story of recall.
What is the tool you are using to measure that width? great video too, thank you!
It's a digital vernier caliper. A very nice one, too.
Great video... Probably going to end up with one of these!!!
Alaskan Ballistics if it lets reliable it’s best in class.
Harry's Holsters agreed... also needs to be able to handle the + p + Xtreme penetrator, and the plus P plus flat nose total Metal Jacket bonded from Buffalo Bore. My g43 with the extended magazine Springs do not handle it very well. If I'm going to have a 9 millimeter backup small gun it's got to be able to handle those well and not lose too much energy in performance
I had 500 bucks in my piggy bank and I chose the Ruger EC9S got it for $230 dollars out the door the sig is sweet but I was able to get maggots 15 dollars for the ec9s magazine and add one more round for the ec9s 7 and 9 in the chamber and a nine round magazine 9 and one in the chamber 10 and the Ruger Customer service is incredible good if you shoot somebody in self-defense the cops are going to take your Precious $5000 gun so I rather go with something that’s sweet and keep my James Bond gold gun away in the safe mag 30 bucks ammo
I’m not a gun snob (not meant in a bad way), so Ruger for me.
exact what i wanted to learn - thumbed up - thx!
I luv the lc9s but Sig is smaller and holds more ammo and shoots gud too
Thanks for bringing realism to measurements. To much web lunacy and lack of reality...which may be the same things.
Some of these videos if not most cover the same thing over and over with nothing new to say. TH-cam allows people to try and be movie directors that flood the system.
Frank Wood not to mention the huge influx of movie critics
New gun owner here. I have the Ruger security nine, and my wife just got the Glock 19. We’re looking for a third gun subcompact just to keep as a back up in the house strictly for home defense. Is the Sig realistically a better choice for our purposes at home for the additional $300? Or is the LCS9 the logical choice for us? Thanks!
Why do you need a subcompact gun for home defense? Subcompact is mostly for concealed carry.
Go Ruger
You are new gun owners and your wife has a Glock 19?….fist off before you buy another gun, get some good training.
Hmmm EC9s $209 vs P365 $499 ---- not rocket science. No way the Sig is worth $300 more.(IMO) My EC9s has performed flawlessly. Spending MORE doesn't make it better. Thanks for the vid
I agree , i finally made up my mind youre abdoluteley right its a hype with the sig p365 eventough it had its flaws it is a slick design and supposedly newer sigs are so far reporting to be ok however its not worth the extra 300 dollars for a pocket pistol. Ruger EC9s or the Lc9s if i can find one should fit my intend of use which is summer time pocket rocket.
So right but people will always say things about a less expensive product to justify why they spent so much even when it's not better
I will stick with my LC9Spro.....9 round Ruger mags.
Sig is an awesome gun, but like many new products has a few bugs to work out, LC9s is as Dependable as a big rock. 10 round mag is no good if you get off one or two and the gun jams. I'll take a gun with a 7 round mag that never misses a beat every time.
9 round mag works great
They also make ten rounders for the lc9s
Which one has the lower recoil?
My LC9 PRO is the best pocket holster 9mm with a nice light stock trigger... what’s the trigger weight compared to the P365?
mastatik 4 && a half pound tigger love my p365 edc 😍
As I see it, the Sig P365 has the advanage on capacity, sights, and quick takedown. Size is so close, I think it is a toss up. With all the TH-cam videos that I have been watching, I am not going to touch a Sig P365 for at least a year. I think Sig came out with the P365 before they fully tested it to get the bugs out. So, if I were to buy a Sig P365 now, and if I have problems with it, I would have to send it back and wait in line until they take care of all the other people before me ! Plus, I have heard that the US Army is having trouble with their Sigs ! The "Pucker Factor" at Sig right now must be terrible.Ruger LC9s' have been around a long time, so advantage Ruger and Ruger Customer Service !Right or wrong, I want a safety on my pistols, so advantage Ruger LC9s. ( I am going to take out the Magazine Disconnect on my LC9s'.) I just purchased my Ruger LC9's for half the price of the Sig P365 ! I paid $215.00 (locally) for my Ruger LC9s ! Plus, I purchased a Ruger LC9s-SS Cerakote on line for $265.00 ! So, I got my Ruger's, 2 for 1, compared to the Sig P365 !Could I assume Cabela's are having trouble selling their Sig P365's ? For July 2018, Cabela's is selling a Sig P365 for $600, by giving away a holster, extra magazine, and 2 boxes of ammo in a package. (Supposedly, $179.00 worth of accessories.)Advantage Sig P365 for coming with 2 magazines, verses only one with the Ruger's.However, I purchased extra Ruger brand 7-Round magazines from MidwayUSA, on sale, for $14 and change, each ! I purchased 9-Round Ruger brand magazines for $28 and change each from Tombstone Tactical ! Sig wants $45.00- $50.00 for their extra magazines, plus I have been told they have been hard to come by, at least up to now.Sig P365 has the advantage in regards to a rail, where Ruger LC9s does not have a rail, but right now, the only thing that you can get for your Sig rail is a Sig Product. That means higher dollars. I purchased a red Laser for one of my Ruger's from Amazon for $80.00.Triggers are pretty equal, with maybe a slight edge to Ruger, but that is in the eye of the beholder.So, for those reasons, the Ruger LC9s is the better value for me.
Is it drop safe? Not going to buy another Sig if I need to send it back for a recall...
Doe John I’m not qualified to test it. My P320 passed all of the hammer tests but is pre upgrade.
Doe John Do you really think Sig would make that mistake twice? Please
I think that sog could make the same mistake twice. Wpuld like to see it tested to know
Sig P365 thumb safety
Did you have to pay extra for the ugly red camo?
The opposite. got it a lot cheaper
'Not a fan of the Ruger LC9"s. Imo, they feel too much like toys. Good comparison nonetheless.
CWB1863 thank you sir!
Ruger 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 enough said
RUGER.
#ruger 🔥
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Ruger trigger sucks, its very light. to the point that you cannot feel it. It surprises me every time i shoot it. safety unchecks every other time i put it in holster. i put it on safe and next time i see its ready to go and it kinda not good at all. recoil is hard, but i understand that its a small gun and it will be harder to shoot from it. you pay cheap and you get cheap product. i understand some people purchased it and no matter what they will stick to it. like i do. worse gun i have shot from
I've been carrying the LC9S for years and only once did I look my gun over at the end of the day and notice the safety was off. Got me wondering if I had forgotten to turn it on in the first place. 🤔 If a gun has a safety I use it religiously, so I'm thinking it was the gun but I can't be 100%. Only one malfunction when burning through some cheap reloaded ammo that I had lying around from the Obama days when that's all I could find at the local gun store. I love the trigger though, especially since my previous carry was an LCP. To each his own I guess!
A kydex in the waistband holster that covers the safety fixes that issue. Or just carry safety off
You did a lousy job showing a size comparison
Well, Jay, let's see your video comparison video.