At this point is it even cheese? It's so unbelievably complicated and as mentioned, drunken, that I don't think this is cheese anymore. If it is, call it parmigiano reggiano.
The spore crawler to the swarm: Should I make myself useful? The swarm: Yes, go scout across the map. The spore crawler: But what if a liberator comes? The swarm: Go scout, I tell you!
I know a lot of channels never post when they lose but I think its cool to do it because it kinda adds to the tension of how close some of the games are, you never know if you're watching a win or a loss. Good stuff
I honestly love that your content is so popular with people who don't even play or who are beginners that you have to explain extractor trick. Never would I have guessed that the audience would be so wide, but it really is wonderful.
Honestly I'm gonna have to see what he's talking about with the game in front of me(I'm not home watching this) because when you cancel a build you lose the drone entirely so I'm just confused about how he's going net positive with drones in this exchange 🤔 😅
@@zul4455 When a zerg cancels a building they get the drone back. So, the extractor trick (you can do it with any building but you want to lose as few resources as possible) is where you have say 16 supply. Then you build 1 or 2 extractors. This will reduce your supply to either 15 or 14. Then you can build 1-2 drones. Taking you back to 16 supply. Then you cancel the extractors and can now have up to 18 supply. This is the same way that you can get over 200 supply as zerg.
@@Ctenoid ah but only for the extractor,I see, and when he mentioned the spine crawler abort for additional roaches during that meta being the purpose for its patch; makes sense now. Not afraid to look a lil dumb & just wasn't getting it.. Lolol.
I really appreciate you man, I just want you to know that you're in my top 3 youtube channels. I enjoy watching your videos on the daily and if you're ever feeling down just know that there are a bunch of us out here who care a lot about how much of a legend you are. Thank you for the entertainment and thank you for the positivity.
I used your technique from a previous video of keeping banes at home so I can use my speedlings for scouting and pickoffs and it's improved my gameplay significantly. Thanks!
I haven't played SC2 ladder since the first season of Wings of Liberty, but I'm totally addicted to the channel (along with your second channel). I feel like I'm smiling after every game. Thanks so much for all the content Marc, keep it up buddy!
I have been playing starcraft 2 since it came out, mostly custom games since I was a kid and that interested me the most. I love taking your strats to ladder when casually playing with my friends in 3v3 it's been fun thank you uThermal
Terrific guide, thank you! I found the benchmark timings and the adaptations that you suggested to be particularly helpful, so I can track my progress and adjust accordingly.
As a pleb the only thing I could offer is you can definitely walk the SW closer to the enemy's base before launching to get maximum damage done. Dang that was actually super close he was out of money and if you have a little more anti air he runs out of interceptors :D Love your positive energy during every minute of the games.
I feel in the last game, the nidus should have been used to transfer a drone (with the 1st nidus) and expend to a corner base rather fast. A bit more eco would have allowed for more spores and stuff
Your channel is really entertaining. Sadly I stopped playing ladder myself after my second child was born, but for now your channel is scratching my SC2 ladder itch.
I have a variation of this build that works wonders on maps requiring 3 buildings to wall off: it's 15 hatch and 15 pool (both are faster), but the gas is delayed (17) and I pop 8 zerglings when the pool finishes.
Those first two games *chef's kiss* 30:00: Watching a Shield Battery try to save a building from Locusts is brutally hilarious xD 33:10: That said, leaving the Battery alive for the whole game is not a great plan ;p Ooof; that pylon barely surviving hurts. 35:35: Brooo, losing all those Hosts for nothing is SO bad =O Going for the Nexus earlier would have done the trick. Or making more anti-air. Or expanding... ever. But very entertaining, nonetheless!
Guy wasnt salty he was just sad. He didnt say anything BM. 'I'm pretty supprised he's gone for carriers'---All those dirty dirty cannon rusher protoss clowns go for DT/carriers.
Swarms are the worst unit ever, but locusts do have some ridiculous dps, and have decent range. Mines and turrets counter them, although they will draw tank fire when they land. I always wanted to try to work a handfull of them in, scouting and harassing, but the high supply snd long cooldown is prohibitive, infestors are better ground and aa support imo. Continuously spawning swarms were nice, though completely nerfed by carpet mines, which simply rolled in and evaporated your army and all your workers, should you be so foolish as not to make infestors. Lurkers are better st zoning, and do adequate damage to static for example, roach hydra on top adds dps and blocking, confusing target fire, broodlings trigger mines and draw ff, which doesn't show up in your score I don't think, but acts as a force multplyer if the Terran fails to unsiege. Anyway, salute to thermy, aka "swarmy", forcing everyone to recognize they been playing the Zerg all wrong, and his commitment to playing the cheesiest Zerg imaginable, though I think a hydra\infestor switch might have saved the game, the sneaky Protoss air turtle!
At 13:00, that last larva, if you had made a drone out of it instead of lings, you could have started another hatch right there. The opponent might have just rage quit in sheer frustration at that point.
dude i love your Zerg and Protoss Cheeses, it feels like you really have to make smart choices to make it work, as opposed to just outclassing your opponent.
Man I love cheese but for next challenge I'd love some more macro oriented builds like zerg spellcasters to GM or smtn like that. Anyway, nice video and saludos desde México :)
That last game was cool! I thought you were going to pull the Vibe cannon rush defense of rushing lair and making a dropper lord to evacuate the drones from the main while rushing into mutas 😅
I'm not sure on the latest releases, correct me if I'm wrong. It seems the extractor tricks arent usefull unless you go for a speedlings allin. (some guys made the math)
It has been frowned upon, slows your build a little, but it speeds up your tech: you can grab your nat before p can block, or get faster pool and queens, Zerg is usually behind on workers till around 40 or so anyway, but earlier Queens are better defensively and economically. That Queen\Swarm was epic!
In game 3 really feel like thermy should have expanded once he took out the cannons at his natural. With the extra economy, production and queens he probably could have won that game.
"I will delete sc2" can relate cause I've been that guy. Smurfs driving people away is understandable. Maybe high level players doing it publicly even inspires some people to engage in that too. I loved the game but it's been a cycle of install and uninstalls. I haven't played in a couple years. Still enjoy watching it.
Hmmm trying to deep dive 26:55? So second overlord was delayed by the extractor trick 25:08. But next... Oh! The overlord didn't scout the natural, that's a tough one feelsbadman
Thermy's Zerg is like a drunken master. Very powerful, very flexible, very drunk lol
Very well said 😂
That is true in a very deep sense
At this point is it even cheese? It's so unbelievably complicated and as mentioned, drunken, that I don't think this is cheese anymore. If it is, call it parmigiano reggiano.
@@ijoozIt is certainly a very well matured cheese, retrieved from deep down in the cave system.
This cheese is like those greasy food videos with 5 types of cheese that will make you so nloated😂
The spore crawler to the swarm: Should I make myself useful?
The swarm: Yes, go scout across the map.
The spore crawler: But what if a liberator comes?
The swarm: Go scout, I tell you!
my exact same thought! XD
ah yes, the "ling drop into the roach, muta, spinecrawler, 5 muta, nydus attack". Standard gameplay.
I know a lot of channels never post when they lose but I think its cool to do it because it kinda adds to the tension of how close some of the games are, you never know if you're watching a win or a loss. Good stuff
As a zerg player thanks for these series. Your energy is awesome and its nice seeing these!!
I honestly love that your content is so popular with people who don't even play or who are beginners that you have to explain extractor trick. Never would I have guessed that the audience would be so wide, but it really is wonderful.
Honestly I'm gonna have to see what he's talking about with the game in front of me(I'm not home watching this) because when you cancel a build you lose the drone entirely so I'm just confused about how he's going net positive with drones in this exchange 🤔 😅
@@zul4455 When a zerg cancels a building they get the drone back. So, the extractor trick (you can do it with any building but you want to lose as few resources as possible) is where you have say 16 supply. Then you build 1 or 2 extractors. This will reduce your supply to either 15 or 14. Then you can build 1-2 drones. Taking you back to 16 supply. Then you cancel the extractors and can now have up to 18 supply. This is the same way that you can get over 200 supply as zerg.
You get the drone back
@@Ctenoid ah but only for the extractor,I see, and when he mentioned the spine crawler abort for additional roaches during that meta being the purpose for its patch; makes sense now.
Not afraid to look a lil dumb & just wasn't getting it.. Lolol.
All cancelled buildings will return your drone.
I really appreciate you man, I just want you to know that you're in my top 3 youtube channels. I enjoy watching your videos on the daily and if you're ever feeling down just know that there are a bunch of us out here who care a lot about how much of a legend you are. Thank you for the entertainment and thank you for the positivity.
I used your technique from a previous video of keeping banes at home so I can use my speedlings for scouting and pickoffs and it's improved my gameplay significantly. Thanks!
indirect coaching
I love that game one was just "confusion cheese" confuse your opponent with a little of everything.
You need to put the nydus under the CC if they lift! 😈
I haven't played SC2 ladder since the first season of Wings of Liberty, but I'm totally addicted to the channel (along with your second channel). I feel like I'm smiling after every game. Thanks so much for all the content Marc, keep it up buddy!
I have been playing starcraft 2 since it came out, mostly custom games since I was a kid and that interested me the most. I love taking your strats to ladder when casually playing with my friends in 3v3 it's been fun thank you uThermal
Spore crawler arrives on your doorstep... "Who am I even playing????" ...
That first game was sweet, didn't seem cheesy, more like just fast swapping strategies to whatever the opponent was weak to.
Every day is a school day - I never knew you could morph a dropperlord into an overseer. Never even considered it
Lol I was the guy that was confused. Thanks for explaining Thermy.
I am a simple man. I see swarm hosts. I click.
Still waiting for some Beyond All Reason gameplay ;P much love marc
Terrific guide, thank you! I found the benchmark timings and the adaptations that you suggested to be particularly helpful, so I can track my progress and adjust accordingly.
Fantastic content mate & loving youre covering all 3 races now.
This episode was my dream come true of seeing uThermal playing zerg! I learned so much from this episode and it was very entertaining. Thanks!!
He has a lot of zerg content on his channel from a while back
@@Chris971. Thanks I'll check it out
that spore crawler scout broke me, cannot stop laughing
When one of the best pro gamers is so involved in his narration and play that he says "I'm going to make another THING as well..... " LMAOOOOOOO
Yes that last protoss is so common as a zerg... Cannon rush into voidrays, into DT, into carrier... its soooo common lol
Game 2 is what I love about Marc's gameplay. Game 3 is why I respect the man's humility, tenacity, and sportsmanship. GGWP!
As a pleb the only thing I could offer is you can definitely walk the SW closer to the enemy's base before launching to get maximum damage done. Dang that was actually super close he was out of money and if you have a little more anti air he runs out of interceptors :D Love your positive energy during every minute of the games.
I feel in the last game, the nidus should have been used to transfer a drone (with the 1st nidus) and expend to a corner base rather fast. A bit more eco would have allowed for more spores and stuff
Your channel is really entertaining. Sadly I stopped playing ladder myself after my second child was born, but for now your channel is scratching my SC2 ladder itch.
I have a variation of this build that works wonders on maps requiring 3 buildings to wall off: it's 15 hatch and 15 pool (both are faster), but the gas is delayed (17) and I pop 8 zerglings when the pool finishes.
This has been one of the funnest to watch. Thanks for the endless entertainment uThermal
Those hatchery broodlings killing those marines made me LOL
Sporecrawler scout is legit, such big vision haha
Those first two games *chef's kiss*
30:00: Watching a Shield Battery try to save a building from Locusts is brutally hilarious xD
33:10: That said, leaving the Battery alive for the whole game is not a great plan ;p
Ooof; that pylon barely surviving hurts.
35:35: Brooo, losing all those Hosts for nothing is SO bad =O
Going for the Nexus earlier would have done the trick. Or making more anti-air. Or expanding... ever. But very entertaining, nonetheless!
Great video. I never stop working but somehow I find the time to watch your daily videos
YES! thanks for doing the Swarm Host Rush!!
Wasnt that Smarsa guy in an iodis video from harstem? 😂😂
yes its him
and looks like he is winning some games with his 2 base carriers
And he is famous now. Being in uthermals and harstems video 😅
In all my years, I have never seen a spore crawler scout a terran wall.
Guy wasnt salty he was just sad. He didnt say anything BM.
'I'm pretty supprised he's gone for carriers'---All those dirty dirty cannon rusher protoss clowns go for DT/carriers.
7:28 Yeah, it’s the classic “everything and the kitchen sink” cheese, basic stuff Thermy.
For your next swarm host cheese against Terran you should see if you can make them rage quit with just supply blocks LOL
A war against supply depots, I like how you think! xD
Swarms are the worst unit ever, but locusts do have some ridiculous dps, and have decent range. Mines and turrets counter them, although they will draw tank fire when they land.
I always wanted to try to work a handfull of them in, scouting and harassing, but the high supply snd long cooldown is prohibitive, infestors are better ground and aa support imo.
Continuously spawning swarms were nice, though completely nerfed by carpet mines, which simply rolled in and evaporated your army and all your workers, should you be so foolish as not to make infestors.
Lurkers are better st zoning, and do adequate damage to static for example, roach hydra on top adds dps and blocking, confusing target fire, broodlings trigger mines and draw ff, which doesn't show up in your score I don't think, but acts as a force multplyer if the Terran fails to unsiege.
Anyway, salute to thermy, aka "swarmy", forcing everyone to recognize they been playing the Zerg all wrong, and his commitment to playing the cheesiest Zerg imaginable, though I think a hydra\infestor switch might have saved the game, the sneaky Protoss air turtle!
At 13:00, that last larva, if you had made a drone out of it instead of lings, you could have started another hatch right there. The opponent might have just rage quit in sheer frustration at that point.
Everything fell apart when the spore burrowed in front of the cannon
dude i love your Zerg and Protoss Cheeses, it feels like you really have to make smart choices to make it work, as opposed to just outclassing your opponent.
In that last game the nidas could have saved all of those SH. He shouldn't have walked them back.
Mark, 5 swarms hosts kill nexus if unopposed. If they pop close enough, even 4 is enough.
Thremy's analysis of the first game: I did something :D
Thank you so much for the videos I watch them every day!
That swarm host play was the most creative I have ever seen.
Man I love cheese but for next challenge I'd love some more macro oriented builds like zerg spellcasters to GM or smtn like that. Anyway, nice video and saludos desde México :)
So great to see people still playing this game.. If this was at the peak of sc2 anyone in gold league can deal with these strategies easily
Me: How have I never managed to get to Masters?
Marc: Hmmm... what *haven't* I done before to get to GM
Hear me out. Queen inject should work on swarmhost making the cooldown shorter.
That second game was awesome! Well done sir.
That's what I kept thinking this whole episode. Where are the opponent's air units?
That last game was cool! I thought you were going to pull the Vibe cannon rush defense of rushing lair and making a dropper lord to evacuate the drones from the main while rushing into mutas 😅
Changling wall new meta confirmed
Thank you for your content. Really enjoy it
i dont even play starcraft but i still watch u
Thank you for the content Thermy ❤🎉😊
I love your videos
I love you
22:43 "lets go Brendas"
Uthermal is evolving. Dun.. Dun.. Dun.. Dun..
It's always so satisfying when the salt drops 🤣
I'm not sure on the latest releases, correct me if I'm wrong. It seems the extractor tricks arent usefull unless you go for a speedlings allin. (some guys made the math)
It has been frowned upon, slows your build a little, but it speeds up your tech: you can grab your nat before p can block, or get faster pool and queens, Zerg is usually behind on workers till around 40 or so anyway, but earlier Queens are better defensively and economically.
That Queen\Swarm was epic!
Hahaha, love seeing the creative terran mentality churn out zerg hive mind builds! These are hilarious!
Thanks for the longer episode :)
Scouting with a spore crawler 😆
Double extractor trick into hatch first pool lair long drop cheese into 5muta roach double nydus, yes, the greatest build order of all time
fresh doese of cyber bullying coming right up xD
The 4d chess scout spore 😂😂
First game: Don't you need **tumors** to unite your bases at least?
Freaking love this series!
MORE ULTRALISKS PLEASE! ❤🙏😂
One thing i find amazing about pro players is how their supply reach 100 before 7min , i get that at around 11minutes 😅
Can anything ever tilt Uthermal? He seems to have such a positive reaction to.. everything!
Swarm host play is probably my favorite of all the cheese so far
Mutas and Nydus and Roach - oh my!
In game 3 really feel like thermy should have expanded once he took out the cannons at his natural. With the extra economy, production and queens he probably could have won that game.
Some more 1v2 1v3 2v3 content would be fun!
12-13 pool into swarm hostes from one base really powerful cheese
I would like to know what that spore crawler is thinking making him walk all the way the enemy base.
Challenge. Purple Haze. Creep aggressively, and defend it with extreme prejudice.
You should def place creep tumors when you nydus with your queens near their bases though. It'll take someone like protoss forever to clean up.
"I will delete sc2" can relate cause I've been that guy. Smurfs driving people away is understandable. Maybe high level players doing it publicly even inspires some people to engage in that too. I loved the game but it's been a cycle of install and uninstalls. I haven't played in a couple years. Still enjoy watching it.
Not enough 4k sc2 content. those disgusting swarmhosts are even more filthy in such high resolution. Nice games!
Hey! SmarsA is the player I just saw beat a Zerg on IODIS last night with this exact strat! Maybe carriers ARE imba...
Terran guy just played Starship Troopers. Bugs. Bugs everywhere.
lmao the BM spore
the angryest i've ever seen you was when you lost these 2 zerglings at 3:10
first game was tooo smooth
Thermy, why walk those hosts home? Build a nydus for them
First was 2 zerglings. Then you lost them to adept. Then 16 speed zerglings to avenge the adept :)
I really thought spines outranged cannons 🤯
People don't respect uthermal anymore with all the cheeses, from that salty remark to offensive gg
Best Zerg game I've ever watched. It felt very true to the race, sloppy swarm.
last game needed burrow to save stuff
I do +1 swarmhosts with burrow, and that gives some good games.
I think you could pull off "nidus / swarm upgraded zergling rush" nidus required for attacks.
Love the spore plays
everyone in lower leagues realised when there were too many carriers and interceptors :D
Hmmm trying to deep dive 26:55? So second overlord was delayed by the extractor trick 25:08. But next... Oh! The overlord didn't scout the natural, that's a tough one feelsbadman
Is this the first time uThermal lost to cannon rush in a video?