Just drove a 2022 ES300h as a loaner the past day while my 2016 GS350 F-Sport was being serviced. This was the first hybrid I've driven & I liked it better than I thought I would & I would gladly buy one over the ES350. It felt much better balanced than the ES350 which I drove a few months ago as my previous loaner as it had too much power going to the front wheels & could really use AWD. Fuel economy is phenomenal while still having good power & didn't feel much slower than my GS despite having about 100 less HP.
While I agree with u ok the hybrid being good is rather have the Es. The hybrids engine and HP is wayyy too slow and while the ES ain’t the greatest it’s still a bit better. AWD is nice but FWD is still Manageable
Hi, Ben... I just discovered your channel today which caught my eye because I've been a Lexus champion for many years. My current model is like this one, except mine is a 2020 ES300h in Nebula Gray Pearl with the bamboo interior trim. This is the best Lexus model I've ever owned and I'll keep it for the life of the vehicle. Excellent review on your part for this model, too. 👍
Great video-presentation of the Es ! What camera did you used ? Your video and sound are so clear. Thanks Lexus (Japan) for making such reliable cars !!
Slow down. It’s really hard to understand what you’re saying with you going so fast and I’m a professional announcer so I’m used to listening closely. With no time limit on your video you just need to slow down a bit so viewers can take in what you’re saying without having to stop listening and catch up afterwards.
On this car, yes. But only the Luxury and Ultra Luxury get the thicker glass on the driver and passenger windows, and it makes a real difference. On other trim levels, some people complain about hearing wind noise at highway speeds.
Howdy Ben, nice spec on that Lexus ES 300h. Such a great combination of features, make me wish sedans sold as well as crossovers. Thank you for an excellent review. 👍
I had a carmry which the steering wheel was super light. Does the ES350 have the same issue? I am driving GS350 which the steering wheel is a lot heavier. The Japanese software is usually weak. I drove a loaned BMW, the infotainment system is better. I bought Lexus for the reliability so everything else is not as important.
Was that the Ultra Luxury you keep saying Luxury but seems like it was the Ultra Luxury. The Mark Levinson system is what I need. I have a great 2020 ES 300h premium I just can't stand the horrible Lexus 10 speaker audio system. I'm thinking about upgrading my audio system but also thinking about changing cars to the Ultra luxury or Luxury model would have to have the Mark Levinson system. Just bought my Lexus 4 months ago. I'm waiting until all the dust has settled with the inventory problem. If I change cars I will not buy another Lexus if it doesn't have the Mark Levinson system.
It's the Luxury, as proven on the sticker at the 7:15 mark. But since they added the semi-aniline leather to the Luxury trim, in truth there are few differences left.
The gas version offers a panoramic roof option. I think they left it off this car because of concerns about weight and center of gravity with the less powerful hybrid drivetrain.
I've driven both versions this year as loaners & I would easily pick the hybrid since the ES350 IMO has too much power going to the front wheels. The hybrid feels much better balanced & doesn't feel much slower even compared with my current 2016 GS350 F-Sport which has nearly 100 more HP.
We recently purchased a 2022 Lexus ES 300h. The front seats give my wife and I low back pain - the longer the trip the worse it is. We’ve tried adjusting the seats in all different positions with no help. I think it has something to do with the way the seats were made to accommodate the seating ventilation. We are not happy at all with a car that potentially can give us long term back problems. I’ve already gone to the chiropractor multiple times because of these seats. We are average size folks so it’s not us - it’s the car seats!
The new infotainment system for '23 helps. It's the same all-new modern software found in the new NX and RX. The phone interface is now wireless as in modern cars, and the stupid trackpad is finally history.
Too much coffee? 23.5 yrs. with my LS400. See no compelling reason to change until I go full EV. Will have to wait until the LS wears out, so it will be a while! I did look at the then new LS500 before the pandemic. Hideous interior and overly-complex drive train.
It’s basically a reliable couch on wheels with very little power. What’s more amazing is that nobody has noticed . This is the first time in over a decade. There is NO DECEMBER TO REMEMBER!
I literally laughed out loud when you said the acceleration was "punchy". You are such a liar LOL or don't know what punchy acceleration feels like. Wonderful car though, I am picking my new '22 ES hybrid up next week.
So am I seeing basically 1.5 cup holders and a leather covered glove box but not lined inside? Not feeling it like you are. Way to dark on steering wheel and didn’t see any of the contrast you mentioned. Maybe just the camera work and more noticeable in person.
The driver's seat on Luxury and Ultra Luxury has 14-way adjustment, including a thigh extender and 4-way lumber. The passenger seat has 2-way lumber and no extender.
@@suspiciousminds1750 This car has enough HP as is. If you want a performance beast that guzzles gas, you're look at the wrong car. Maybe consider m550i or a Audi s5. And fuel economy doesn't affect trunk space, nor does it add complexity.
I AM A NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER, THOUGH NOT WHEN YOU TALK 50 TO THE DOZEN. NO NEED TO RUSH, WE SHOLD HOWEVER BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT INFORMATION YOU HAVE, RIGHT?.
Not a great car when compared with BMW sedan or Jaguar. It's heavily priced and still lacks features. Only good thing about Lexus is its robust body, durable and stylish.
Sticker is visible at 7:15. It's a Luxury. But for '22, that level now gets the same semi-aniline leather as Ultra Luxury. All other trim levels get the fake stuff.
No, but it's very well built anyway. It's built in Kentucky, but on a dedicated Lexus assembly line and paint shop, by workers hand-picked and then trained in Japanese methods. Standards are higher than US Toyotas for fit and finish, parts quality, panel gaps and paint specs.
People also say the mercedes e class is a common ordinary car in germany and they are used as taxis, but thats good there is nothing wrong with that, the same as the lexus es having camry components it means they are reliable and well built cars.
Rip off of a vehicle. Toyota Avalon is essentially the same car for less money. The company saw profits and decided not to market the Avalon so they could discontinue it due to low sales, and charge a premium for the "L" label.
You're not correct. The Avalon was marketed for 20 years. Its role was always to provide a move-up option in the Toyota showroom for empty-nester Camry loyalists, and more of them get SUVs now. As a result, the Avalon wasn't eliminated for the ES, it was replaced by the tall SUV-like Crown sedan.
@tonysterbenc since you're saying the Avalon was marketed for 20 years, that means it started in 1994 and tapered off around 2014-15. This leaves a roughly seven year gap of insufficient advertising, thus helping sales to plummet. This would be right, as the Avalon sold in respectable numbers until around 2015. The death knell came in 2013 when Lexus essentially sized the ES the same as the Avalon. People began seeing $5k as an insignificant difference and decided to simply go with an ES. As I remember it, the rear wheel drive Cressida was pulled from sale after 1992, largely because of the inception of Lexus, and the Cressida was so similar to those cars, particularly the LS. In the run-up to the Avalon being introduced, domestic automakers, particularly Buick, were concerned that the Avalon would chip away at their market share, which it ultimately did because it perfected a formula set by other manufacturers. The Avalon was also positioned as a Lexus without the "L" emblem, so professionals could have an upscale vehicle without appearing flashy or like they were doing extremely well. The Crown is a much different vehicle than the Avalon, and Toyota is saying it's an entirely new car here and not a direct replacement for the Avalon.
@@texan903 My "20 years" comment was meant to be an underestimate, not an assertion that they stopped marketing the car in 2014. In fact, that did not happen; much the contrary, in 2013 they added a new livery-specific version of the Avalon upon the death of the Town Car specifically in an attempt to widen its market. I was just looking at year-by-year sales numbers for the Avalon. Contrary to your inaccurate assertion, sales jumped in 2013 with the attractively styled new model to over 70,000, its highest total in six years. The real "death knell" was that the new-for-2019 car was ugly. Proof: most new cars see a sales jump with a restyle, but Avalon sales actually slumped more than 15% that year (similar to, e.g., the newly uglified '09 Acura RL). The ES's move to a longer wheelbase in 2013? Implying that the ES size upgrade was motivated by a desire to kill off another Toyota division's product is bizarre to the point of bordering on flat-out paranoia. Beyond that, the Avalon's death was inevitable because of trends bigger than any one automaker. Every single car in the Avalon's class of full-size FWD sedans from non-luxury nameplates is dying or has died. Go down the line: Impala, LaCrosse, 300, Charger, Taurus, Maxima, Cadenza. The fact that the Avalon was one of the last survivors should, if anything, reflect credit in your mind on Toyota for holding out as long as they did. And as for whether the Crown is replacing the Avalon? Any automaker bringing out a new nameplate is going to say it's "all new." Everything from the Crown's chassis to its price point to its target audience of empty nesters says otherwise.
@tonysterbenc you did not read what I said accurately. When the 2013 ES and Avalon bowed, despite the sales increase for the Avalon, its new similarities meant the beginning of the end of the Avalon, as reflected in the sales totals every year after 2013, until it was canceled just nine years later. Before the 2019 Avalon ever debuted, Toyota acknowledged that the car would face an uphill battle in terms of sales. With the ES competing directly against the Avalon, naturally, Toyota would better promote the ES because it would net greater profits. So, no, it is not paranoia. You are simply incorrect. Maybe that wasn't the goal, but anyone can see the natural consequence of how the Avalon and ES competing would play out. With the Crown overlapping ES in price, its only advantages are the higher seating position, improved fuel efficiency, and technology. I don't believe that Toyota has resolved the sagging sales problem it faced with the Avalon. It's only a temporary fix that both the Cressida and Avalon faced towards the end of their life cycles.
@@texan903 Texan, I read your comment more accurately than you said it, in multiple respects, and I backed it up with facts and figures to prove it. Your confident assertion here that "you are incorrect" is backed by nothing but just that, your peculiar mix of chip on the shoulder and excessive self-confidence. In fact, the Avalon and ES are supported by entirely separate advertising budgets, because the company runs the two divisions as completely autonomous marketing units. The ES competes internally with the RX for ad dollars, and the Avalon with the Camry and Highlander. Their ad budgets were not set in a steel cage match against each other. So, yet again, your confidence is backed by basic wrongness in your underlying assumptions about the company's decision making process. As for the sales prospects of the Crown, I personally think they're dismal, but I never commented on that so you're simply changing the subject. I only commented, accurately, on what Toyota HOPES to accomplish with it-which, again, differs from your inaccurate assertion.
This guy sounds like a cheesy carnival barker. I can hardly make out most of his jabberwocky. Sounds like he's trying to read a Lexus brochure as fast as possible. All hype and little or no value added. BTW, I think the interior looks like every other black plastic Asian video game unit, and the fact that he loves the gauche Lexus "plastic grill with a car attached" look pretty much says it all. It was an awful look when Audi invented it in 2006, and when the Asians mindlessly copied it, they made it even worse.
This is why the Lexus ES is the best selling luxury sedan!!! Good job Lexus!!!😍😍😍😍
My aunt has the 2021 model and it was the smoothest car I ever driven. The suspension soakes bumps pretty well and it has very good torque.
THAT interior color 👀👏
Just drove a 2022 ES300h as a loaner the past day while my 2016 GS350 F-Sport was being serviced. This was the first hybrid I've driven & I liked it better than I thought I would & I would gladly buy one over the ES350. It felt much better balanced than the ES350 which I drove a few months ago as my previous loaner as it had too much power going to the front wheels & could really use AWD. Fuel economy is phenomenal while still having good power & didn't feel much slower than my GS despite having about 100 less HP.
While I agree with u ok the hybrid being good is rather have the Es. The hybrids engine and HP is wayyy too slow and while the ES ain’t the greatest it’s still a bit better. AWD is nice but FWD is still Manageable
Hi, Ben... I just discovered your channel today which caught my eye because I've been a Lexus champion for many years. My current model is like this one, except mine is a 2020 ES300h in Nebula Gray Pearl with the bamboo interior trim. This is the best Lexus model I've ever owned and I'll keep it for the life of the vehicle. Excellent review on your part for this model, too. 👍
Yeah my sister just got the es & she loves it, they always come in #1 for reliability
I have this vehicle in pearl white with Acorn interior. Love it! It averages 37.5 mpg. Only complaint is the rear seats don’t fold down.
What year is your Lexus?
Yes what year?
That color is Taupe, it looks like. Mine is black/black. What’s cool is getting 45mpg on road trips.
Interior color is Acorn.
AS I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE UK, I UNDERSTAND ENGLISH, BUT NOT AS YOU RACE THROUGH YOUR COMMENTARY AT MACH 2. SLOW IT UP BUDDY.
Hey mate, I’ve got a video on the ES as well. Would love to hear your thoughts 😄
Great video-presentation of the Es ! What camera did you used ? Your video and sound are so clear. Thanks Lexus (Japan) for making such reliable cars !!
Slow down. It’s really hard to understand what you’re saying with you going so fast and I’m a professional announcer so I’m used to listening closely. With no time limit on your video you just need to slow down a bit so viewers can take in what you’re saying without having to stop listening and catch up afterwards.
Really wanted to understand What Lexus dealership he was testing the Car from. Forget that. Speedy Gonzalez on the talking
He normally speaks likes this and never gets any complaints it’s always Lexus videos that get these sorts of comments lol if ya know what i mean.
skill issue
I appreciate the speed, don’t need to slow down. I listen to audiobooks on 1.5x 🤣 Keep it up!
@@Pierre-so7xu Stay as classy as you are, Pierre.
I'm sure all the glass is at the right thickness so you don't hear peasants outside..
LOL
🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂
lmao!!!
On this car, yes. But only the Luxury and Ultra Luxury get the thicker glass on the driver and passenger windows, and it makes a real difference. On other trim levels, some people complain about hearing wind noise at highway speeds.
Howdy Ben, nice spec on that Lexus ES 300h. Such a great combination of features, make me wish sedans sold as well as crossovers. Thank you for an excellent review. 👍
have a 2021 silver one and it's a dream
I want to like this car but I wish the infotainment center had a more cleaner look. I do love the front of it
I had a carmry which the steering wheel was super light. Does the ES350 have the same issue?
I am driving GS350 which the steering wheel is a lot heavier.
The Japanese software is usually weak. I drove a loaned BMW, the infotainment system is better.
I bought Lexus for the reliability so everything else is not as important.
great car & great vid!
blind spot monitor is a standard feature and then listed as an option for $$$
Was that the Ultra Luxury you keep saying Luxury but seems like it was the Ultra Luxury. The Mark Levinson system is what I need. I have a great 2020 ES 300h premium I just can't stand the horrible Lexus 10 speaker audio system. I'm thinking about upgrading my audio system but also thinking about changing cars to the Ultra luxury or Luxury model would have to have the Mark Levinson system. Just bought my Lexus 4 months ago. I'm waiting until all the dust has settled with the inventory problem. If I change cars I will not buy another Lexus if it doesn't have the Mark Levinson system.
Nope Luxury and Ultra Luxury are different trims. This was the Luxury trim.
Honestly seems like a good reason to make the switch. The Mark Levinson speakers are absolutely sound insulated during freeway drives
Yea mark levinson is very rare, had to snatch mine up quick.
It's the Luxury, as proven on the sticker at the 7:15 mark. But since they added the semi-aniline leather to the Luxury trim, in truth there are few differences left.
I would like to see some of the IS treatment on this car. Headlights, taillights and add a panaramic roof with a little added power.
Hey mate, I’ve made a review on the IS300h and ES300h if you’re interested. Would be awesome to hear your thoughts 😀
The gas version offers a panoramic roof option. I think they left it off this car because of concerns about weight and center of gravity with the less powerful hybrid drivetrain.
So what's the difference between this and the 300h ultra luxury?
Whats the differences between base and luxury just interior or luxury drive more comfortable?
That’s a stunner
ES is looking nice than LS
LS got me feeling its a hatchback
A lot of LS buyers on their discussion board are really annoyed at how similar the ES looks for just over half the price.
Looks awesome.
Might get this thing
Update this model with the new Lexus Interface multimedia system , and then it’s perfect
Thanks
I have a 2022 ES 350. Would I be happy with the hybrid?
Absolutely
I will be slower to accelerate but the hybrid will get better mpg.
I've driven both versions this year as loaners & I would easily pick the hybrid since the ES350 IMO has too much power going to the front wheels. The hybrid feels much better balanced & doesn't feel much slower even compared with my current 2016 GS350 F-Sport which has nearly 100 more HP.
We recently purchased a 2022 Lexus ES 300h. The front seats give my wife and I low back pain - the longer the trip the worse it is. We’ve tried adjusting the seats in all different positions with no help. I think it has something to do with the way the seats were made to accommodate the seating ventilation. We are not happy at all with a car that potentially can give us long term back problems. I’ve already gone to the chiropractor multiple times because of these seats. We are average size folks so it’s not us - it’s the car seats!
I don't know about the seat ergonomics, but the fact is that those seats are pretty firm - uncomfortably so.
@@dancheb Yes, I wish they were softer.
I have a 21 Luxury and the seats are very comfortable short trip or long.
2022 Lexus ES300h Hybrid Luxury Sedan!
Nice over car inside is nice
I got the 2019 is 300 cool and its a high end toyota that will last a long time
Lexus should get rid of the touchpad. The touch screen is what people use. I never use the touchpad.
They've been recently doing away with it completely on their newest models like the 2022 NX & upcoming 2023 RX.
I would just get this for the durability compared to other luxury vehicles but the interior is outdated in my opinion
The new infotainment system for '23 helps. It's the same all-new modern software found in the new NX and RX. The phone interface is now wireless as in modern cars, and the stupid trackpad is finally history.
this person talks tooooo fast and doesn't give any better information. I've owned three ES 350's and this guy does not do it justice!!!
Is this lexus es 300h luxury or ultra luxury?
Sticker at 7:20 says it's a Luxury.
What is the interior color named? Thanks.
Acorn.
I have a 2020 Lexus ES 350 luxury package… and I can’t wrap my head around paying $60K+ for a 4 cylinder car, even if it is an ES.
Well it's not just a 4 cylinder, it's has a hybrid boost too.
Don’t buy one then.
40-50mpg
Is that Nulux interior
I actually have trouble understanding what you’re saying at times…..
How do I turn the speedometer on, on the front view
Damn man, slow down Fred! Lol! Is there a time limit on your video? Do you get some kind of credit for speaking as fast as you can?
Shut up, Tim
Does Lexus still make GS 300?
Nope, sorry. Dropped for low sales.
@@tonysterbenc great. Thank you!
That feeling when rav4 has heated rear seats and this doesn’t. What a joke
A Rav4 is no Lexus.
Yes
Who in there right mind doesn't get the mark levinson audio????? its literally a 1000$ option on a 50k$+ car, like holy shit.
Right
Too much coffee?
23.5 yrs. with my LS400. See no compelling reason to change until I go full EV. Will have to wait until the LS wears out, so it will be a while! I did look at the then new LS500 before the pandemic. Hideous interior and overly-complex drive train.
Full ev sucks
You have a historically great car. Congratulations. As long as it keeps working right, you have every reason to keep it.
@@tonysterbenc Continues to function perfectly.
Damn cars are cheap in usa, here in India we have to pay twice for imported luxury stuffs.
same here in indonesia, our government robbed their own people with highly luxury taxes. 😩
짧지만 명료한….설명 감사합니다
It’s basically a reliable couch on wheels with very little power. What’s more amazing is that nobody has noticed . This is the first time in over a decade. There is NO DECEMBER TO REMEMBER!
Wdym very little power?
Liked the car up until 7:30 that price geez Louis.
Indian Es300H is more luxurious. It has controls on arm rest in back.
Yes. That's true in several countries. The ES is a bit price-cut in the States.
The touchpad is the worst thing in this car and they still don’t want to change it!
They changed it,you now have the option of using the touchpad or the touchscreen to operate the infotainment.
@@romairoblackstock5100 exactly the touchpad just makes it makes more advanced since now you have 2 options sort of like an add on package
Touchpad is gone for '23.
Should've just bought the es 350.
I literally laughed out loud when you said the acceleration was "punchy". You are such a liar LOL or don't know what punchy acceleration feels like. Wonderful car though, I am picking my new '22 ES hybrid up next week.
I have a 06 jeep liberty weighs 4,200lbs and has a 207hp v6. let me just say she goes...
So am I seeing basically 1.5 cup holders and a leather covered glove box but not lined inside? Not feeling it like you are. Way to dark on steering wheel and didn’t see any of the contrast you mentioned. Maybe just the camera work and more noticeable in person.
You are doing a luxury car review and you do not show the seat adjustments. Just ridiculous.
The driver's seat on Luxury and Ultra Luxury has 14-way adjustment, including a thigh extender and 4-way lumber. The passenger seat has 2-way lumber and no extender.
If you can afford 55K for a car why are you concerned about gas mileage?
I guess you enjoy going to the gas station every 48 hours 🤦🏿♂️
@@Peace2daworld I'll take theextra time at the pump if it means extra trunk space, horsepower and lack of complexity.
Frugality is a good quality to have. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Fuel economy saves a lot of money over time.
@@HiddenWen True, but you also sacrifice HP, trunk space and add complexity, so it's a trade off I'm not willing to make.
@@suspiciousminds1750 This car has enough HP as is. If you want a performance beast that guzzles gas, you're look at the wrong car. Maybe consider m550i or a Audi s5. And fuel economy doesn't affect trunk space, nor does it add complexity.
Slow down my friend you talk like hitting forward mode
This Vs Toyota Avalon Hybrid
Same powertrain and general specifications. ES is nicer and quieter all around. Avalon is several thousand less. Avalon is discontinued for '23.
I AM A NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER, THOUGH NOT WHEN YOU TALK 50 TO THE DOZEN. NO NEED TO RUSH, WE SHOLD HOWEVER BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT INFORMATION YOU HAVE, RIGHT?.
Cvt ?
Only in the hybrid version
Better than Nissan CVT
I agree. He doesn't explain what CVT means. Also, talks WAY TOO FAST!!!
it'a a eCVT which is something else and reliable as hell
@@jimcucalon4811 Hey mate, I’ve got a video on the ES300h as well, I would love to hear your thoughts 😄
I liked the intro on Meth
Ur speech like machine gun. Slow down.. it’s a quality car so needs a precise and gentle speech to accompany the review
Best interior for the money? it's like 10 years old and looks like a 90s hifi.........
I'll keep the 300H I have I just don't like the body shape of this one at all
What is exactly name of interior color ?
Slow down and get off the coffee… Otherwise good video
Not a great car when compared with BMW sedan or Jaguar. It's heavily priced and still lacks features. Only good thing about Lexus is its robust body, durable and stylish.
Bmw looks like crap
Don't know the pricing in your country, but in the States this car is much less expensive than comparable BMW or Jaguar models.
Mantap bng mobil nyah😯
i think the interior is bit outdated.
That is weird front wheels drive in luxury car? Why? They don't care about safety any more?
How does that compromise safety??
Has more to do with cost savings. It's actually safer than rear drive on snow and ice.
Sorry but I do not like the color of the interior! Looks faded and sated! Definitely not impressed!
In person it looks pretty good. Kind of a saddle color.
Is that the ultra luxury model with the real analine leather seats, I hate that false shit..
Sticker is visible at 7:15. It's a Luxury. But for '22, that level now gets the same semi-aniline leather as Ultra Luxury. All other trim levels get the fake stuff.
Gee I wish he wouldn't talk so slow
But this is not made in Japan!
No, but it's very well built anyway. It's built in Kentucky, but on a dedicated Lexus assembly line and paint shop, by workers hand-picked and then trained in Japanese methods. Standards are higher than US Toyotas for fit and finish, parts quality, panel gaps and paint specs.
Entertainment console software is still garbage.
Fixed for '23 with the all-new system shared with the new NX and RX. Stupid trackpad is finally gone.
You know you don't have to talk so fast you slur your words, right?
You talk too fast.
No, a Genesis G80 would be worlds better.
Then go buy it
@@kromahj Grow up.
@@MercOne na, you need to, stop trolling and go buy it
The g80 is ugly. The g70 on the other hand, now that is nice.
Have you seen the reliability score on Con Reports for the Genesis?
The blue on the Lexus logo is kinda dumb and ugly, not apparent though
It's much better than the standard Lexus logo
No fully digital cluster, manual shifter… in a luxury car in 2022?
Nice car but $54k for a Camry wearing a lot of lipstick is pretty steep.
No rear heated seats, no digital display, no panarama roof, no AWD. I’ll pass
@@rahimi4762 it have digital display, are you blind
@@rahimi4762 AWD is optional, every trim can't be AWD
It is a lot more refined than a camry, its a prestige car, there is a difference.
People also say the mercedes e class is a common ordinary car in germany and they are used as taxis, but thats good there is nothing wrong with that, the same as the lexus es having camry components it means they are reliable and well built cars.
Rip off of a vehicle. Toyota Avalon is essentially the same car for less money. The company saw profits and decided not to market the Avalon so they could discontinue it due to low sales, and charge a premium for the "L" label.
You're not correct. The Avalon was marketed for 20 years. Its role was always to provide a move-up option in the Toyota showroom for empty-nester Camry loyalists, and more of them get SUVs now. As a result, the Avalon wasn't eliminated for the ES, it was replaced by the tall SUV-like Crown sedan.
@tonysterbenc since you're saying the Avalon was marketed for 20 years, that means it started in 1994 and tapered off around 2014-15. This leaves a roughly seven year gap of insufficient advertising, thus helping sales to plummet. This would be right, as the Avalon sold in respectable numbers until around 2015. The death knell came in 2013 when Lexus essentially sized the ES the same as the Avalon. People began seeing $5k as an insignificant difference and decided to simply go with an ES.
As I remember it, the rear wheel drive Cressida was pulled from sale after 1992, largely because of the inception of Lexus, and the Cressida was so similar to those cars, particularly the LS. In the run-up to the Avalon being introduced, domestic automakers, particularly Buick, were concerned that the Avalon would chip away at their market share, which it ultimately did because it perfected a formula set by other manufacturers. The Avalon was also positioned as a Lexus without the "L" emblem, so professionals could have an upscale vehicle without appearing flashy or like they were doing extremely well.
The Crown is a much different vehicle than the Avalon, and Toyota is saying it's an entirely new car here and not a direct replacement for the Avalon.
@@texan903 My "20 years" comment was meant to be an underestimate, not an assertion that they stopped marketing the car in 2014. In fact, that did not happen; much the contrary, in 2013 they added a new livery-specific version of the Avalon upon the death of the Town Car specifically in an attempt to widen its market. I was just looking at year-by-year sales numbers for the Avalon. Contrary to your inaccurate assertion, sales jumped in 2013 with the attractively styled new model to over 70,000, its highest total in six years. The real "death knell" was that the new-for-2019 car was ugly. Proof: most new cars see a sales jump with a restyle, but Avalon sales actually slumped more than 15% that year (similar to, e.g., the newly uglified '09 Acura RL). The ES's move to a longer wheelbase in 2013? Implying that the ES size upgrade was motivated by a desire to kill off another Toyota division's product is bizarre to the point of bordering on flat-out paranoia. Beyond that, the Avalon's death was inevitable because of trends bigger than any one automaker. Every single car in the Avalon's class of full-size FWD sedans from non-luxury nameplates is dying or has died. Go down the line: Impala, LaCrosse, 300, Charger, Taurus, Maxima, Cadenza. The fact that the Avalon was one of the last survivors should, if anything, reflect credit in your mind on Toyota for holding out as long as they did. And as for whether the Crown is replacing the Avalon? Any automaker bringing out a new nameplate is going to say it's "all new." Everything from the Crown's chassis to its price point to its target audience of empty nesters says otherwise.
@tonysterbenc you did not read what I said accurately. When the 2013 ES and Avalon bowed, despite the sales increase for the Avalon, its new similarities meant the beginning of the end of the Avalon, as reflected in the sales totals every year after 2013, until it was canceled just nine years later.
Before the 2019 Avalon ever debuted, Toyota acknowledged that the car would face an uphill battle in terms of sales. With the ES competing directly against the Avalon, naturally, Toyota would better promote the ES because it would net greater profits. So, no, it is not paranoia. You are simply incorrect. Maybe that wasn't the goal, but anyone can see the natural consequence of how the Avalon and ES competing would play out.
With the Crown overlapping ES in price, its only advantages are the higher seating position, improved fuel efficiency, and technology. I don't believe that Toyota has resolved the sagging sales problem it faced with the Avalon. It's only a temporary fix that both the Cressida and Avalon faced towards the end of their life cycles.
@@texan903 Texan, I read your comment more accurately than you said it, in multiple respects, and I backed it up with facts and figures to prove it. Your confident assertion here that "you are incorrect" is backed by nothing but just that, your peculiar mix of chip on the shoulder and excessive self-confidence. In fact, the Avalon and ES are supported by entirely separate advertising budgets, because the company runs the two divisions as completely autonomous marketing units. The ES competes internally with the RX for ad dollars, and the Avalon with the Camry and Highlander. Their ad budgets were not set in a steel cage match against each other. So, yet again, your confidence is backed by basic wrongness in your underlying assumptions about the company's decision making process. As for the sales prospects of the Crown, I personally think they're dismal, but I never commented on that so you're simply changing the subject. I only commented, accurately, on what Toyota HOPES to accomplish with it-which, again, differs from your inaccurate assertion.
This guy sounds like a cheesy carnival barker. I can hardly make out most of his jabberwocky. Sounds like he's trying to read a Lexus brochure as fast as possible. All hype and little or no value added. BTW, I think the interior looks like every other black plastic Asian video game unit, and the fact that he loves the gauche Lexus "plastic grill with a car attached" look pretty much says it all. It was an awful look when Audi invented it in 2006, and when the Asians mindlessly copied it, they made it even worse.
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The grill is amazingly ugly!
The best interior in this segment has Mercedes E-Class!!!
Depends on your definition of "this segment." The fully loaded ES undercuts the loaded E Class, 5 Series, A6 and G80 by over $10,000.
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You talk way too fast