The greatest challenge is that, several historical facts were distorted, mixed and misinterpreted through time. The good thing is that we have a form of identification the totems. Karanga and Kalanga are variants, they nean the same thing. Kalanga is a language where the letter r is replaced by the letter l. We have a great challenge to sift out the untrue information in our history some if which was distorted by western historians. The lack of written records poses an unprecise collection of fact. Oral tradition does not provide exact fact, time, place and the true events that unfolded, though it is a method officially accepted in the collection if historica information. Most Bantu narrations start from Guruuswa , but before our ancestors came to Guruuswa they came from Nubia, Kemet, Cush, and before that they had come from Babel.
Thanks a lot for sharing. If you notice guruuswa isn't one place, if you ask the oral historians, they point you to more than three locations called guruuswa. This is because they settled in one place for some time and migrated to another one, which they called the same name. Notice this every nation started by an individual it became a family a clan a community and a nation. so Kalanga is an example. It was a clan that eventually became a nation and now it is a language. but we can trace the Kalanga clan's bloodlines regardless of the distorted African history.
@@adoniamakhohliso1274 Thank you. I would also like to find out if any of the Karanga, Kalanga, Ndau, Shona, Nyayi languages use Langa, Laaka or something similar for the name of the sun?
I never said they are Shona people. I m not talking about the present-day Bukalanga. Yes, the present day Kalanga speakers are not Shona, I am talking about the Ancient Kalanga bantu ethnic group. These ancient Kalanga ethnic group is found all over southern and east Africa, and they speak different bantu languages depending on geographical location. They are related because they share the same ancestor the one called by some Cibikhulu others call him Dzivaguru.
Oral history points out that the grand ancestor who came from South Egypt an offspring of Cush was Dzivaguru, in Shona meaning a long river. The name was derived from the fact that him and his 3 sons occupied East and Southern Africa following the Nile river. Dzivaguru’s son Ngoni is the ancestor of the Zulu, Ndebele, Swati, Xhosa and some other Nguni languages. Ancient Kalanga similar to Shona might be the original Bantu language that came out from the Tower of Babel. But I’m not sure how many generations was Dzivaguru from Cush the son of Ham.
Seems there a weird distinction between these 2 words, Kalanga and Karanga, one of them is original and one is somewhat made up, what I want to know is are they related somehow? I'm a Kalanga person born in South Africa, well my dad ran away so I don't know much about Kalanga people my mom is ndebele, I was not interested in kalanga history until just recently so I've been trying to investigate and Karanga and Kalanga terms confuse me, Also does Shona language sound like Kalanga? I would say it doesn't sound alike coz I can differentiate the two when people from respective tribes are speaking
@ericsbu For you to understand, you must first know the 3 ancestors to all people in Southern Africa, including Zimbabwe Botswana Mozambique Zambia Malawi, etc. Karanga and Kalanga, it's the same word. The one with R is wrong it was corrupted by Shona speakers. Kalanga and Shona, these are different languages but have a lot of similarities because the people who speak these 2 languages come from the same ancestor, which means they are related but stay in different locations. One of the main differences is that shona uses R and Kalanga use L axample below KALANGA SHONA Bakalanga Vakaranga Ludo Rudo Mvula Mvura Lima Rima
@ericsbu for you to know your bloodline relatives, you must know your totem. Your totem will help you to search for your blood relatives and do not use language because many languages we speak today were created by colonialism.
@@adoniamakhohliso1274 first of all shona is not a tribe or is it a langauge . It's a grouping. Same way as most south African languages or tribes are called Nguni. We have always been Karanga. All the 5 dialects Karanga/Ndau/Zezuru/Manyika/Nyambiya call our culture Chikaranga. If the language originally originally had the letter (L) , how come the majority use (R) ?
@@adoniamakhohliso1274 you are talking about karanga, not baKalanga/kalanga. Those are not the same people. Kalanga is not a shona dialect but karanga is. You are clearly speaking shona throughout the entire video. not even a single kalanga word. Mberengwa is home to the karangas, Kalangas are from Plumtree and parts of Botswana.
@VinchWilson Yes you are very right, but did you notice that this podcast is not about language, this is about a bantu ethnic group, related by blood not by language. Yes i use mostly karanga dialect, but I am talking about the Kalanga people regardless of language and geographical location.
@@VinchWilsonI m sure you are aware that the Kalanga or Karanga langauges doesn't define an ancient Bantu ethnic group called (Bakalanga) these are just modern bantu languages. I am talking about Bakalanga people bloodline these people are found all over southern Africa and they speak different language but they have same blood and same ancestors and same totems example Dziva, Siziba, Bhebhe Ngwenya, Mokwena, Mokoena Mbedzi(hippo) Hove Hungwe Nyoni. their totem is natural Lake DzivaSiziba and water based animals. and when performing rituals they use the sun Huba, Zuva, ilanga and they face to the east. These people are not only found in Mberengwa they are there in Bukalanga Botswana South Africa Mozambique etc the Nguni are an offshoot or descendants of ancient Kalanga, the Sotho Bakoena are descendants of Kalanga...
There is no such thing as shona per say nobody calls themselves shona its karanga kalanga zezuru manyika etc mutually intelligible each has their own sub culture but living together for over 1300 years means borrowed words and trade that is why the dna is the same on the male side of all people in zimbabwe including the Tonga
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The greatest challenge is that, several historical facts were distorted, mixed and misinterpreted through time.
The good thing is that we have a form of identification the totems.
Karanga and Kalanga are variants, they nean the same thing.
Kalanga is a language where the letter r is replaced by the letter l.
We have a great challenge to sift out the untrue information in our history some if which was distorted by western historians.
The lack of written records poses an unprecise collection of fact.
Oral tradition does not provide exact fact, time, place and the true events that unfolded, though it is a method officially accepted in the collection if historica information.
Most Bantu narrations start from Guruuswa , but before our ancestors came to Guruuswa they came from Nubia, Kemet, Cush, and before that they had come from Babel.
Thanks a lot for sharing. If you notice guruuswa isn't one place, if you ask the oral historians, they point you to more than three locations called guruuswa. This is because they settled in one place for some time and migrated to another one, which they called the same name. Notice this every nation started by an individual it became a family a clan a community and a nation. so Kalanga is an example. It was a clan that eventually became a nation and now it is a language. but we can trace the Kalanga clan's bloodlines regardless of the distorted African history.
Thanks for the video.
is Dzibaguru the same as Sizibakhulu or Sedibakgolo? meaning is a Dziba the same as Sediba which is the same as isiZiba.
Yes, these are the same people
@@adoniamakhohliso1274 Thank you. I would also like to find out if any of the Karanga, Kalanga, Ndau, Shona, Nyayi languages use Langa, Laaka or something similar for the name of the sun?
They use Zuva thuba huva
Kalaka is one of the first break off language from Setswana before it became karanga and shona !
Same with Vatsonga in SA we are one
Kalanga also name like sam
The pronounce the work lake in the same way with VaTsonga in SA
You are just mixing things
Bakalanga are not shona people
I never said they are Shona people. I m not talking about the present-day Bukalanga. Yes, the present day Kalanga speakers are not Shona, I am talking about the Ancient Kalanga bantu ethnic group. These ancient Kalanga ethnic group is found all over southern and east Africa, and they speak different bantu languages depending on geographical location. They are related because they share the same ancestor the one called by some Cibikhulu others call him Dzivaguru.
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Oral history points out that the grand ancestor who came from South Egypt an offspring of Cush was Dzivaguru, in Shona meaning a long river. The name was derived from the fact that him and his 3 sons occupied East and Southern Africa following the Nile river. Dzivaguru’s son Ngoni is the ancestor of the Zulu, Ndebele, Swati, Xhosa and some other Nguni languages.
Ancient Kalanga similar to Shona might be the original Bantu language that came out from the Tower of Babel. But I’m not sure how many generations was Dzivaguru from Cush the son of Ham.
@adams6798 Thanks a lot, brother.
Kalanga is not a Shona dialect
yes, you are right.
Seems there a weird distinction between these 2 words, Kalanga and Karanga, one of them is original and one is somewhat made up, what I want to know is are they related somehow?
I'm a Kalanga person born in South Africa, well my dad ran away so I don't know much about Kalanga people my mom is ndebele, I was not interested in kalanga history until just recently so I've been trying to investigate and Karanga and Kalanga terms confuse me,
Also does Shona language sound like Kalanga? I would say it doesn't sound alike coz I can differentiate the two when people from respective tribes are speaking
@ericsbu For you to understand, you must first know the 3 ancestors to all people in Southern Africa, including Zimbabwe Botswana Mozambique Zambia Malawi, etc.
Karanga and Kalanga, it's the same word. The one with R is wrong it was corrupted by Shona speakers. Kalanga and Shona, these are different languages but have a lot of similarities because the people who speak these 2 languages come from the same ancestor, which means they are related but stay in different locations. One of the main differences is that shona uses R and Kalanga use L axample below
KALANGA SHONA
Bakalanga Vakaranga
Ludo Rudo
Mvula Mvura
Lima Rima
@ericsbu for you to know your bloodline relatives, you must know your totem. Your totem will help you to search for your blood relatives and do not use language because many languages we speak today were created by colonialism.
@@adoniamakhohliso1274 what does totem mean ...
@@ericsbu Isibongo, sefane
@@adoniamakhohliso1274 first of all shona is not a tribe or is it a langauge . It's a grouping. Same way as most south African languages or tribes are called Nguni. We have always been Karanga. All the 5 dialects Karanga/Ndau/Zezuru/Manyika/Nyambiya call our culture Chikaranga. If the language originally originally had the letter (L) , how come the majority use (R) ?
You are mixing up a lot of things
Oh, ok, please correct me. What is it?
Oh, ok, please correct me. What is it? We can fix mixed up things.
@@adoniamakhohliso1274 you are talking about karanga, not baKalanga/kalanga. Those are not the same people. Kalanga is not a shona dialect but karanga is. You are clearly speaking shona throughout the entire video. not even a single kalanga word. Mberengwa is home to the karangas, Kalangas are from Plumtree and parts of Botswana.
@VinchWilson Yes you are very right, but did you notice that this podcast is not about language, this is about a bantu ethnic group, related by blood not by language. Yes i use mostly karanga dialect, but I am talking about the Kalanga people regardless of language and geographical location.
@@VinchWilsonI m sure you are aware that the Kalanga or Karanga langauges doesn't define an ancient Bantu ethnic group called (Bakalanga) these are just modern bantu languages. I am talking about Bakalanga people bloodline these people are found all over southern Africa and they speak different language but they have same blood and same ancestors and same totems example Dziva, Siziba, Bhebhe Ngwenya, Mokwena, Mokoena Mbedzi(hippo) Hove Hungwe Nyoni. their totem is natural Lake DzivaSiziba and water based animals. and when performing rituals they use the sun Huba, Zuva, ilanga and they face to the east. These people are not only found in Mberengwa they are there in Bukalanga Botswana South Africa Mozambique etc the Nguni are an offshoot or descendants of ancient Kalanga, the Sotho Bakoena are descendants of Kalanga...
This is nonsense Bakalanga people are not shona
As a Kalanga speaking i will say " manyepwa azolulwama"
I can speak Karanga, and I can hear you clearly speaking Kalanga. manyepo Karanga, manyepwa Kalanga same word kkkkkk
There is no such thing as shona per say nobody calls themselves shona its karanga kalanga zezuru manyika etc mutually intelligible each has their own sub culture but living together for over 1300 years means borrowed words and trade that is why the dna is the same on the male side of all people in zimbabwe including the Tonga