I'm Impressed....I forwarded this to my 85 yr old dad, he has a 1950 Ferguson tractor & the engine cracked Twice, but he had it welded... Predator engine was a great idea...
To pull a stump, use the tallest tractor wheel with no tire on it, and rest the chain in the center so when you pull, it pulls the stump UP not sideways. A 6 x 6 about 4 ft long with s V notch cut in the top will work also if you start it leaning back towards the stump at a slight angle and put a block under the bottom to keep it from pushing into the soft dirt. You want to change the direction of the pulling to more vertical than horizontal. My grandfather, an old farmer, taught me this trick.
I made a 10ft tall A-frame of 4x4s and put the chain over the top. Tried to pull out a 4ft diameter 20ft tall lilac bush. First try it pushed the frame legs 4in into my lawn. So mext try I put 2x4s under the legs. Snapped those right in half. So I doubled them. Then I lost traction before it would come out (5K lb tractor, with the differential locked). I think with ballast in the tires, and twice the chain length (to reduce the angle to the top of the A-frame that causes some lifting force) I would have got it. Ending up using forks to dig around it to get it out, which actually worked really well. The A-frame has reallly helped for tree stumps though. I ran the numbers and you can easily 5x the force and it makes it pull upward. I need a stronger chain for it though, 5500lb rated chain makes me nervous.
In all fairness, I have been pulling things like that since I was a kid with everything from a garden tractor and pickup truck to a farm tractor and a backhoe. I will tell you up front that trying to pull a tree or bush straight up is a bad idea. Works great for fence posts and the like, but not trees. Why? Trees have roots. Pull straight up you are trying to rip out all the roots. Leave a nice long stump for leverage, and pull sideways. Now, not only do you get tons of leverage, but you are only trying to tear off about half the roots. Even when digging them, you only need to dig one side of most, cut those roots off and start pulling opposite and it will rip that stump right out of the ground.
My father had an H on the farm I grew up on. It was the small utility tractor used for thing like pulling a harrow to sow oats or run an elevator or to put an old Horn loader on with a snow bucket to clean the driveway in the winter. Seeing you spin the tires with only 6.5 HP was an amazing thing to see. With a centrifugal clutch on the engine no less!
6.5 hp? I'm impressed. I remember the old 2 cylinder John Deere were only 25 horses and would be at least an equal match. I would imagine a V 2 Kohler with 25 hp would be a HUUUUUGGGE improvement.
Agreed. Most of the kids o. YT just floor em and spin the tires. And remember (possibly look it up for the slow ones, " a SPINNING tire has NO traction. ) just the way it is fellas.
Well, i got to say that you did a great job putting that bad boy together. The chain, sprockit, drive shaft that you fabercated, heald together through that jerking, great job!
I just checked and the RPM of an H was 1650. If you lined up four 212's and ran them say 3 to 1 or , 2 to 1 you should be in the same power band of a new Farmall engine for $400 , but with some fabrication work. I would think use the heavy flywheel with a shaft running forward and pillowblocks holding between the channels with four sprockets being keyed onto it. Have the sprockets keyed directly onto each engine crankshaft and use the H electric starter to crank it.
One of the cool things about the predator 212 is the aftermarket upgrade kits. You can have that little motor putting out 25hp with minimal effort. That makes it better than a larger engine of similar horsepower.
It takes several $$$ to get a 212 to make that kind of power, besides that they are turning 9000 rpm and I don't believe they will hold up to long term use( no warranty). A Predator 670 on sale is $670.00. it'll produce 22 HP all day long, and if it breaks, covered by warranty, drain the oil and gas and go pick up a new one.
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm The parts to upgrade a 212 are roughly the same price as the original engine, and you can buy the parts one at a time. Plenty of guys use them in go-karts. There's not much chance your clutch would hold up though. Like you said, right about 9,000 rpm. It would get your PTO close enough to work right though. I'm not really one to use warranties. If it runs right the first few times I use it, whatever happens after that is obviously something I did. I'm too honest not to feel bad for trading in something I broke.
I'm talking about when I'm bush hogging for hours at a time, a 670 is made for that kind of work, so if it fails, it would be a flaw. A hopped up 212 isn't suited for that kind of work,( in my opinion). I'm honest as the day is long, but I do expect a product to do what it is supposed to be able to do. I appreciate your input, I hope you keep watching.
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm I've got a hopped up 173 with most of the same performance parts that go on a 212 pushing a 26' antique sailboat & running a 3 phase ac generator. It snapped my belt clean in two when I energized the armature of my generator with an 18 volt drill battery because my 12 volt system was dead & needing charged. I had to give it a 5:1 ratio to make the power usable, but it runs all day when there's no wind, and for a few hours in the evening when the sails are blocking my solar panels. I'll keep watching as long as you keep making interesting content.
That is amazing. That tractor is awesome. Harbor Freight should give you a free engine just for advertising how strong their 212 Predator engines are. You did a great job on that engine swap.
Thanks, I really appreciate the positive comment. I am impressed by the tractor, I wasn't sure it would be able to do what it does, I'm very happy with it and I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
the most important thing about your videos is you statement on Love God ,,,you are blessed with the knowledge and ability to do these things ,,I am glad I found your channel,,shall look at the older ones and I will have a good evening ,,beats any thing on tv ,,,
My basic understanding is that a 4 or 5/1 gear reduction on the drive should yield torque similar to the original engine. It would be harder on the clutch though.
Absolutely love this stuff!!! Awesome use of low dollar stuff that otherwise wouldn't have been used. You sir.... definitely have the strongest 212cc machine on planet Earth.... congratulations and thank you for sharing it with me.
WOW, very cool!! my dad has a a couple farmall "h", one has a stuck engine (right now)......I have SEVERAL Kohler K series 12-16 hp engines. and a wisconsin 12 HP single Cylinder. Time to "re-power".... btw - that "H" has an overdrive transmission (5th Gear)! If you added some wheel weights you d have pulled that stump! spinning tires doesn't mean not enough power, just need more weight!
Growing up, my parents wanted to pull out a tree stump to expand a portion of our garden. The stump was already pretty old and partly rotten, so my dad first tried using our van. Nope. Not enough weight and power. So we went to my grand-parent's farm and tried grampy's Massey-Ferguson. Nope. Not heavy enough; not enough power. Dad drove the Massy back to the farm and brought back grampy's David Brown, a nice, big heavy-duty, strong tractor. Nope. Not heavy enough, not enough power. Well, my dad had two jobs: installing/fixing furnaces and deliverying furnace oil. So we went and go the oil delivery truck from his boss. Stump-3 / Oil Truck-1. It was a fun evening to observe.
That's creative I like it makes me think how good it would be with a bigger engine. Just to drive around or pulling a mower deck on the back might be more practical then sourcing parts to get an old tractor running again
I bet if you found a old Wisconsin engine you would be able to do a lot with the tractor. But you do have a good set up now. Just wanted to let you know that.
After seeing these 2 videos of you making this old tractor pull like a champ, I will subscribe to you, sir, you deserved my sub due to the simple and genius conversion!
I haven't mentioned in a video yet ( I don't think ) but I have a Braden PTO driven winch that is going to end up on the tractor eventually if everything goes as planned , fingers crossed.
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm right i would have told whoever told me about it that they were nuts but thats very impressive that it could spin digging into the ground
im making a 200 gallon lightweight cement mixer. mixes paper with cement. Ive made a tow behind like your lawn mower that has .worked great but need a engine driven on 7 foot high mixer. so i can pour in to molds. was going to use a rear end again but would like to see the detais of your power transfer hook ups. your a great guy. MikeJ
I basically extend the transmission shaft and mount the extension on pillow block bearings. I put a large sprocket on that shaft , the I mount the engine up above with a clutch to operate it. There are several videos on the channel that explain this and show you in great detail you might want to check some of them out.
Great project. If you could run the exhaust through an automotive style muffler to quiet things down that would be nice for the operator. Good work man.
My son borrowed an open frame generator after a storm knocked out his power lines. It was horribly noisy. An automotive muffler made almost no difference. The intake and valve train were the source of most of the noise. A hush box built over it with sufficient ventilation would quiet it down.
Those engines are Honda clones, and there are lots of parts available to increase the power output to nearly double (don't know how long they last at that output though).
I remember hearing stories about early Economy Power Kings with fairly small Wisconsin and B&S engines out-pulling Farmall Cubs, and someone explaining that the comparison was unfair. I don't remember the explanation except that it had something to do with torque. Whatever, I find this amazing.
Nice video that’s really cool. I’ve seen it done on a Massey Harris. That would be perfect for raking hay and stuff like that. I’d probably get a bigger motor (at some point) and gear it up a little more. God bless.
It's amazing what gearing, and the weight of the tractor can do. The engine HP is less important. Many years ago, I had a David Bradley walk behind tractor, with a 1 3/4 hp motor. It had a single bottom plow, disc harrow, and some other implements. It could plow through any soil. I bet it had the power of two actual horses. Today, these machines, riding mowers etc that have say, 20 hp motors, I don't think they have the same power as twenty real horses, lol.
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm Not on the level that you do, lol. But yeah, I repair small engine machines for an extra buck or two here and there. But over the years, I've taken notice of interesting differences between machines then and machines now. Seems up till maybe the late 70's? Most riding mowers and garden tractors had engines in the 8 to 12 hp range, even GT's that had three point hitches and ran single bottom plows. Then suddenly the HP of these machines starts going up and up and up. I don't think you can find a new one currently that has anything under 17 hp and most of them are over 20 hp. My riding mower that had a 17 hp, had a problem with the governor gear, so I removed it and installed an old 11 hp to use until the new parts came in. The 11 had the same pulling power when using my garden cart, dealing with loads of dirt, gravel etc. It mowed the lawn the same, as long as the lawn wasn't too high. I did see a difference when trying to mow knee high grass just to test it. The 17 did have more power for that. So it's interesting that for the average person, the riding mowers/garden tractors sold today are way overpowered. But ppl these days think more is better, lol. I think it's the same with automobiles. There's too much emphasis on 0-60 speed than gas mileage and reliability. I drive and have always driven, 4 cylinder machines with manual trans.
I know what you mean, everything we have is fuel efficient, except the Chevy Tahoe, we need one vehicle big enough to pull a heavy trailer ( and stop it ) for hay or horse or tractor hauling. I like you, I hope you keep watching/ commenting.
It's functional now that's impressive would only like a 5 horsepower motor. You get it deserves a 32 horsepower Vanguard Briggs & Stratton. And someone needs to consider what useful purpose is it tractor going fulfill.
I like it, if I were the engineer I would want to make it farm useable, making it with 2 or3 engines ,well done and thought out ,when I seen it turn those large wheels over I got impressed, thanks
My dad and uncle did that to an old tractor back in the early 60's it needed a man on the back for the gears and a driver for the truck but it could plow at 40 mph with the truck front end in the air the whole length of the field . They called it the truckter ! Wish it was still around ..but the gearing was unbelievable..
Something no one has done yet ,a starter motor with a 10kg flywheel (maybe a disk brake?)at 6000rpm ,belt driven, will give a ton of torque for a few seconds and the power kick you need to move some heavy staff
Fyi your tractors stock speeds are as follows 1st 2.3 mph 2nd 3.5 mph 3rd 4.3 mph 4th 5.1 mph 5th 16.3 mph Reverse 2.8 mph. That means if road gear is around 7 or so you have half speed gearing, which for that little engine and how much it moves is pretty impressive. Good work
So I think the pred is 3600 rpm, with a 10 tooth clutch and an 84 tooth drive sprocket, I think that roughly translates to about 425 RPM to the input shaft, I think an H was probably tested at 1200 RPM. Either way, it's slow with a lot of power.
One thing you have to realize…yes the motor is a 6.5 hp but after the gearing…just say 13 on the clutch to 130 to make the math easy…that’s a 10 to 1 reduction which means that the hp to the transmission shaft is at 65 hp but with a lot less RPM…a weed eater engine would also do the job but will slow it down even more as the gearing would have to be a lot lower
All of that is correct, with one word change, swap Horsepower for torque. You cannot multiply HP with gears , but you can multiply torque. Thanks for watching.
Make sure to pop it into neutral when you get off the tractor. If that little rattle trap clutch sticks the tractor could wander off and cause some serious trouble... Or worse somebody could get hurt.
In some tractors I've seen the engine and transmission is an integral part of the frame. On those this conversion would be impossible. Good that you didn't have one of those for it.
I have a Farmall C that I yes on the farm to bush hog, it is just what you are talking about, however once the engine is gone you could build big frame rail brackets to bolt to the bell housing and front end, it would be an extra day of work, but it could be done.
The PTO is turning in this video when I'm pulling the stump, hahaha, I didn't know it was engaged. A normal PTO turns at 540, mine probably turns 200 RPM, probably going to run a large PTO winch off of it.
Yes I agree on the price it has gotten pretty crazy n I have the same problem with trying to buy one can find them cheaper but u click it n it's out of stock I have one series 30 I have been moving around projects to see them work but ya I'm very budgeted for builds so I understand what you mean keep it up though it's great content
Are you going to put the IH sheet metal back on this tractor? I think it would look sharp to run the exhaust out through the hood like it was originally.
You should put 2 engines side by side. Seems like you could have a smaller sprocket at the transmission as well. I didn't hear a difference in the engine sound till you were in the road gear.
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I'm Impressed....I forwarded this to my 85 yr old dad, he has a 1950 Ferguson tractor & the engine cracked Twice, but he had it welded...
Predator engine was a great idea...
Thanks, I hope your dad enjoyed it, I have friends around his age, they like it.
To pull a stump, use the tallest tractor wheel with no tire on it, and rest the chain in the center so when you pull, it pulls the stump UP not sideways. A 6 x 6 about 4 ft long with s V notch cut in the top will work also if you start it leaning back towards the stump at a slight angle and put a block under the bottom to keep it from pushing into the soft dirt. You want to change the direction of the pulling to more vertical than horizontal. My grandfather, an old farmer, taught me this trick.
Never considered that option before but it makes perfect sense. Learn something new every day - Thank you Sir!!
I made a 10ft tall A-frame of 4x4s and put the chain over the top. Tried to pull out a 4ft diameter 20ft tall lilac bush. First try it pushed the frame legs 4in into my lawn. So mext try I put 2x4s under the legs. Snapped those right in half. So I doubled them. Then I lost traction before it would come out (5K lb tractor, with the differential locked). I think with ballast in the tires, and twice the chain length (to reduce the angle to the top of the A-frame that causes some lifting force) I would have got it. Ending up using forks to dig around it to get it out, which actually worked really well.
The A-frame has reallly helped for tree stumps though. I ran the numbers and you can easily 5x the force and it makes it pull upward. I need a stronger chain for it though, 5500lb rated chain makes me nervous.
The even easier way, is to leave a good bit of the tree attached to the stump, then you have all the leverage you want.
In all fairness, I have been pulling things like that since I was a kid with everything from a garden tractor and pickup truck to a farm tractor and a backhoe. I will tell you up front that trying to pull a tree or bush straight up is a bad idea. Works great for fence posts and the like, but not trees. Why? Trees have roots. Pull straight up you are trying to rip out all the roots. Leave a nice long stump for leverage, and pull sideways. Now, not only do you get tons of leverage, but you are only trying to tear off about half the roots. Even when digging them, you only need to dig one side of most, cut those roots off and start pulling opposite and it will rip that stump right out of the ground.
My father had an H on the farm I grew up on. It was the small utility tractor used for thing like pulling a harrow to sow oats or run an elevator or to put an old Horn loader on with a snow bucket to clean the driveway in the winter. Seeing you spin the tires with only 6.5 HP was an amazing thing to see. With a centrifugal clutch on the engine no less!
I know, hard to believe. Gears gears gears
Keeping those old girls moving no matter what’s under the hood
The real test of any 1940's tractor, is in its ability to pull a plow. It'd be interesting to see how many bottoms you can pull at what speed.
It would depend on the size of the plow, and he would need to add a couple 1000 lbs to get traction. That little motor might do it, slowly though.
6.5 hp? I'm impressed. I remember the old 2 cylinder John Deere were only 25 horses and would be at least an equal match. I would imagine a V 2 Kohler with 25 hp would be a HUUUUUGGGE improvement.
It depends on the model of John Deere some of the early Model Bs had around 12.5 HP. but had way more torque than than more modern engines of that HP.
That was very cool , the power of low gear ratios is amazing
I think so too, thanks for watching
When it comes to tractors, gearing and weight are your friends, if you have that you can get away with less HP.
Yes sir
Yup, you could run that tractor off a lawnmower engine with the right gearing and weight.
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Agreed. Most of the kids o. YT just floor em and spin the tires. And remember (possibly look it up for the slow ones, " a SPINNING tire has NO traction. ) just the way it is fellas.
Well, i got to say that you did a great job putting that bad boy together. The chain, sprockit, drive shaft that you fabercated, heald together through that jerking, great job!
Thanks, I appreciate it
Just wow! You sir are the reason I enjoy building small engines. I'm just amazed at the power that machine has. Got me thinking of building one now.
Thank you for the compliment keep watching we're going to do other cool stuff to this tractor
Dangit! Now I want a tractor!! Well done sir!
It's very impressive what 6.5 HP will do with good weight, good traction, and good gearing, and a great driver and a brilliant builder. 😃
I just checked and the RPM of an H was 1650. If you lined up four 212's and ran them say 3 to 1 or , 2 to 1 you should be in the same power band of a new Farmall engine for $400 , but with some fabrication work. I would think use the heavy flywheel with a shaft running forward and pillowblocks holding between the channels with four sprockets being keyed onto it. Have the sprockets keyed directly onto each engine crankshaft and use the H electric starter to crank it.
Phil Lowman but the single 212 defied odds and people like that
You did a great job on that Farmall H project. I used to have one !
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Dang. That little motor spun both tires. That, I have to say, is very impressive. Well done.
I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it, mechanical advantage is awesome, thanks for the comment. Keep watching, awesome stuff coming up
That was amazing that little motor turned those big old tires over and pulled that stump
Pretty unbelievable isn't it? 1st gear ratio is 847:1 !
Pulling a stump out of the ground with a 6 HP engine is mind blowing. I bet the torque was at about 80 to 100 foot pounds. Well done sir!
Thank you, it impressed me!
7:12 Look between the seat and the steering wheel, I think that is covered. ;>)
Well done! Physics is an amazing science. Thanks for sharing.
LOL, I'ma jerk, took me a minute but I got it!😂
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm I meant no offense, but I couldn't help myself, it was just laying there. Perhaps I spend too much time on TH-cam...
One of the cool things about the predator 212 is the aftermarket upgrade kits.
You can have that little motor putting out 25hp with minimal effort.
That makes it better than a larger engine of similar horsepower.
It takes several $$$ to get a 212 to make that kind of power, besides that they are turning 9000 rpm and I don't believe they will hold up to long term use( no warranty). A Predator 670 on sale is $670.00. it'll produce 22 HP all day long, and if it breaks, covered by warranty, drain the oil and gas and go pick up a new one.
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The parts to upgrade a 212 are roughly the same price as the original engine, and you can buy the parts one at a time.
Plenty of guys use them in go-karts.
There's not much chance your clutch would hold up though.
Like you said, right about 9,000 rpm.
It would get your PTO close enough to work right though.
I'm not really one to use warranties.
If it runs right the first few times I use it, whatever happens after that is obviously something I did.
I'm too honest not to feel bad for trading in something I broke.
I'm talking about when I'm bush hogging for hours at a time, a 670 is made for that kind of work, so if it fails, it would be a flaw. A hopped up 212 isn't suited for that kind of work,( in my opinion). I'm honest as the day is long, but I do expect a product to do what it is supposed to be able to do. I appreciate your input, I hope you keep watching.
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I've got a hopped up 173 with most of the same performance parts that go on a 212 pushing a 26' antique sailboat & running a 3 phase ac generator.
It snapped my belt clean in two when I energized the armature of my generator with an 18 volt drill battery because my 12 volt system was dead & needing charged.
I had to give it a 5:1 ratio to make the power usable, but it runs all day when there's no wind, and for a few hours in the evening when the sails are blocking my solar panels.
I'll keep watching as long as you keep making interesting content.
Some good ol farm boy ingenuity. Great job!.
Thanks
That is seriously impressive, best use of a predator engine yet!
Wow, thanks. I'm working on putting three predators on it now.
That is amazing. That tractor is awesome. Harbor Freight should give you a free engine just for advertising how strong their 212 Predator engines are. You did a great job on that engine swap.
Thanks, I really appreciate the positive comment. I am impressed by the tractor, I wasn't sure it would be able to do what it does, I'm very happy with it and I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
the most important thing about your videos is you statement on Love God ,,,you are blessed with the knowledge and ability to do these things ,,I am glad I found your channel,,shall look at the older ones and I will have a good evening ,,beats any thing on tv ,,,
I appreciate this comment more than you know, any good in me comes from Him.
Praise Jesus! Love God love your neighbor. Love yourself. You know it brother!
My basic understanding is that a 4 or 5/1 gear reduction on the drive should yield torque similar to the original engine. It would be harder on the clutch though.
Like you said impressive lol surprised me when I seen the tires start digging 👌👏
I hear ya, that was my favorite part, ruts in my yard! ? I was very happy it had that much torque at the wheels.
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm this tractor can feed a whole family where I live
Absolutely love this stuff!!! Awesome use of low dollar stuff that otherwise wouldn't have been used. You sir.... definitely have the strongest 212cc machine on planet Earth.... congratulations and thank you for sharing it with me.
Yes, somebody finally agreed with me! Thanks for the kind words, I love this stuff too.
5:10 just awesome, alittle gearing goes a long way! Awesome build!
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WOW, very cool!!
my dad has a a couple farmall "h", one has a stuck engine (right now)......I have SEVERAL Kohler K series 12-16 hp engines. and a wisconsin 12 HP single Cylinder.
Time to "re-power"....
btw - that "H" has an overdrive transmission (5th Gear)! If you added some wheel weights you d have pulled that stump! spinning tires doesn't mean not enough power, just need more weight!
I finally got that stump, thanks for watching and commenting.
I would enjoy seeing this at an old time Tractor Pull with a "Walk-on Sled". Good job buddy.
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@@ChrisfromKeyfarm you're welcome
Growing up, my parents wanted to pull out a tree stump to expand a portion of our garden. The stump was already pretty old and partly rotten, so my dad first tried using our van. Nope. Not enough weight and power. So we went to my grand-parent's farm and tried grampy's Massey-Ferguson. Nope. Not heavy enough; not enough power. Dad drove the Massy back to the farm and brought back grampy's David Brown, a nice, big heavy-duty, strong tractor. Nope. Not heavy enough, not enough power. Well, my dad had two jobs: installing/fixing furnaces and deliverying furnace oil. So we went and go the oil delivery truck from his boss. Stump-3 / Oil Truck-1. It was a fun evening to observe.
I bet! 😀
That's creative I like it makes me think how good it would be with a bigger engine. Just to drive around or pulling a mower deck on the back might be more practical then sourcing parts to get an old tractor running again
you have me convinced this will work for my 1952 terratrac loader
Probably will, thanks for watching. There are more videos on the channel of the drive system , if you would be interested.
I bet if you found a old Wisconsin engine you would be able to do a lot with the tractor. But you do have a good set up now. Just wanted to let you know that.
After seeing these 2 videos of you making this old tractor pull like a champ, I will subscribe to you, sir, you deserved my sub due to the simple and genius conversion!
Thanks
Wow. It's already great with the 212. Anything more will just be gravy. If you just keep it a 212 that is still a win. Can't wait to see more!
I haven't mentioned in a video yet ( I don't think ) but I have a Braden PTO driven winch that is going to end up on the tractor eventually if everything goes as planned , fingers crossed.
I like to say "Horsepower is how fast it can pass gas and torque is the force makes you move." The old JD's transmission is a major torque multiplier.
Getting a lot done with 8.5 foot pounds of torque. Thanks for watching
Well i have to say ... I'm very impressed by that little 212 predator turning those giant tires wow!
I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm right i would have told whoever told me about it that they were nuts but thats very impressive that it could spin digging into the ground
Very impressive 👍 now I have to find a non running tractor for myself!! 😀
That tractor has impressed me so much
im making a 200 gallon lightweight cement mixer. mixes paper with cement. Ive made a tow behind like your lawn mower that has .worked great but need a engine driven on 7 foot high mixer. so i can pour in to molds. was going to use a rear end again but would like to see the detais of your power transfer hook
ups. your a great guy. MikeJ
I basically extend the transmission shaft and mount the extension on pillow block bearings. I put a large sprocket on that shaft , the I mount the engine up above with a clutch to operate it. There are several videos on the channel that explain this and show you in great detail you might want to check some of them out.
Great project. If you could run the exhaust through an automotive style muffler to quiet things down that would be nice for the operator. Good work man.
My son borrowed an open frame generator after a storm knocked out his power lines. It was horribly noisy. An automotive muffler made almost no difference. The intake and valve train were the source of most of the noise. A hush box built over it with sufficient ventilation would quiet it down.
You need to turbo it. I've seen small engine turbos on eBay and Amazon. That would be amazing.
Those engines are Honda clones, and there are lots of parts available to increase the power output to nearly double (don't know how long they last at that output though).
I remember hearing stories about early Economy Power Kings with fairly small Wisconsin and B&S engines out-pulling Farmall Cubs, and someone explaining that the comparison was unfair. I don't remember the explanation except that it had something to do with torque. Whatever, I find this amazing.
Thanks
Nice video that’s really cool. I’ve seen it done on a Massey Harris. That would be perfect for raking hay and stuff like that. I’d probably get a bigger motor (at some point) and gear it up a little more. God bless.
My thoughts exactly
That is awesome. Definitely going to be looking for a old seized tractor now. Well done great job.
When you do the project, let me see it ckeyfarm@gmail.com
It's amazing what gearing, and the weight of the tractor can do. The engine HP is less important. Many years ago, I had a David Bradley walk behind tractor, with a 1 3/4 hp motor. It had a single bottom plow, disc harrow, and some other implements. It could plow through any soil. I bet it had the power of two actual horses. Today, these machines, riding mowers etc that have say, 20 hp motors, I don't think they have the same power as twenty real horses, lol.
I believe you have a lot of knowledge, you tinker with stuff too I suppose?
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm Not on the level that you do, lol. But yeah, I repair small engine machines for an extra buck or two here and there. But over the years, I've taken notice of interesting differences between machines then and machines now. Seems up till maybe the late 70's? Most riding mowers and garden tractors had engines in the 8 to 12 hp range, even GT's that had three point hitches and ran single bottom plows. Then suddenly the HP of these machines starts going up and up and up. I don't think you can find a new one currently that has anything under 17 hp and most of them are over 20 hp.
My riding mower that had a 17 hp, had a problem with the governor gear, so I removed it and installed an old 11 hp to use until the new parts came in. The 11 had the same pulling power when using my garden cart, dealing with loads of dirt, gravel etc. It mowed the lawn the same, as long as the lawn wasn't too high. I did see a difference when trying to mow knee high grass just to test it. The 17 did have more power for that.
So it's interesting that for the average person, the riding mowers/garden tractors sold today are way overpowered. But ppl these days think more is better, lol. I think it's the same with automobiles. There's too much emphasis on 0-60 speed than gas mileage and reliability. I drive and have always driven, 4 cylinder machines with manual trans.
I know what you mean, everything we have is fuel efficient, except the Chevy Tahoe, we need one vehicle big enough to pull a heavy trailer ( and stop it ) for hay or horse or tractor hauling. I like you, I hope you keep watching/ commenting.
Awesome setup, I'm amazed how hard it pulls gear compound gearing is awesome for torque output
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I honestly wish I had one of those! That predator is impressive! Nice work!
Nice job buddy 👍 Good to be able to watch a whole video with no cussing. Way to go! Shows you can make good content without talking nasty.
You will never hear any of that mess on my channel
That is totally worth it, I love the idea
Very amazing that old tractor, your idea & predator 212 thanks loe
impressive what gearing can do, its all about mechanical advantage, you're doing a ton of work with a little horsepower, good swap brother
Thanks, I appreciate it
It's functional now that's impressive would only like a 5 horsepower motor. You get it deserves a 32 horsepower Vanguard Briggs & Stratton. And someone needs to consider what useful purpose is it tractor going fulfill.
Pulling stumps man
I like it, if I were the engineer I would want to make it farm useable, making it with 2 or3 engines ,well done and thought out ,when I seen it turn those large wheels over I got impressed, thanks
I'm already moving stuff around with it, it'll be useful, keep watching.
THATS FREAKING AWESOME!!!
It’s all about the gear ⚙️!!!
Very innovative and clever man and tractor.
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I always dreamed of putting a tractor rear end with a truck front end. You went the other way. Lol
My dad and uncle did that to an old tractor back in the early 60's it needed a man on the back for the gears and a driver for the truck but it could plow at 40 mph with the truck front end in the air the whole length of the field . They called it the truckter ! Wish it was still around ..but the gearing was unbelievable..
Something no one has done yet ,a starter motor with a 10kg flywheel (maybe a disk brake?)at 6000rpm ,belt driven, will give a ton of torque for a few seconds and the power kick you need to move some heavy staff
Could be interesting
Great stuff..impressive..its all in that big 84 tooth gear!! Love it. The clutch can take that abuse ?
No clutch problems so far, in the low gears it doesn't even get hot.
Look good man been looking for a older tractor like that to do the same thing
Let me know if you get one built
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm that is a pretty neat idea I've seen some people put them in the small Toyota trucks and they work great off road
Fyi your tractors stock speeds are as follows
1st 2.3 mph
2nd 3.5 mph
3rd 4.3 mph
4th 5.1 mph
5th 16.3 mph
Reverse 2.8 mph.
That means if road gear is around 7 or so you have half speed gearing, which for that little engine and how much it moves is pretty impressive. Good work
Thanks for the information, and the encouragement.
So I think the pred is 3600 rpm, with a 10 tooth clutch and an 84 tooth drive sprocket, I think that roughly translates to about 425 RPM to the input shaft, I think an H was probably tested at 1200 RPM. Either way, it's slow with a lot of power.
This is a great Idea be able to save and use an old tractor... have been looking for a small pickup to put a Honda 8 hp in
That would be cool.
It will pull anything pretty much. Most older dump trucks had small straight 6 gas engines and could haul hug loads. It's all about the gears.
Too cool! God bless ya brother
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Nice farm all, my grandpa had one we would ride in planter whilst he planted
Cool, good times
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm yes they were, jus an ol country boy by heart
One thing you have to realize…yes the motor is a 6.5 hp but after the gearing…just say 13 on the clutch to 130 to make the math easy…that’s a 10 to 1 reduction which means that the hp to the transmission shaft is at 65 hp but with a lot less RPM…a weed eater engine would also do the job but will slow it down even more as the gearing would have to be a lot lower
All of that is correct, with one word change, swap Horsepower for torque. You cannot multiply HP with gears , but you can multiply torque. Thanks for watching.
You should try a Tillotson 212 on one. They come 10hp out of the box
Does the PTO and lift work? Could you put a small bushog behind it?
road gear is 18 mph on that H, we had one years ago, and I drove it home 0 miles, through downtown Little Rock....
I appreciate the information how many miles did you drive it home?
@@ChrisfromKeyfarm 40 miles home... then several years later moved and drove it another 40 miles.....
Make sure to pop it into neutral when you get off the tractor. If that little rattle trap clutch sticks the tractor could wander off and cause some serious trouble... Or worse somebody could get hurt.
That thing looks pretty fun to drive.
That was amazing well done
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Quite impressive!!
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Road gear on the H was 16.4 mph. Which was pretty darn fast in it's day!
I appreciate it, I was thinking it was even faster, but it's been a while since I have read about it.
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Hey Farmall friend
Good job interesting project
Central California watching
I appreciate it
My dad made one years ago that ran on 2 hp. It plowed, but very slow.
Same with my channel. If I have nothing to show then I'm quiet. Also no go pro or camera stand for my phone.
Very impressive build I like it ! 😁👍
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That is super impressive brother... Well done
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In some tractors I've seen the engine and transmission is an integral part of the frame. On those this conversion would be impossible. Good that you didn't have one of those for it.
I have a Farmall C that I yes on the farm to bush hog, it is just what you are talking about, however once the engine is gone you could build big frame rail brackets to bolt to the bell housing and front end, it would be an extra day of work, but it could be done.
Check poppy’s farm he did it
I AM IMPRESSED WITH YOUR TRACTOR
I've got big plans for it, I hope you keep watching
The road gear on the H was slightly faster than our Oliver 77, but couldn't pull hills as well. Olivers maxed out at about 12 mph on the road
Cool build.
You need to do a video of that little tracked lawn tractor sitting on the trailer😉
Tracked? You want to see tracks on it?
When I watched the first time, at 4:30 the mower looks like it had steel tracks on it. Going back, it is just fencing....my bad🙄
LOL, possible video idea?
My dude I don't care what anyone says that thing is cool
Thanks, it's proving to be pretty useful.
Have you tried using the PTO?
The PTO is turning in this video when I'm pulling the stump, hahaha, I didn't know it was engaged. A normal PTO turns at 540, mine probably turns 200 RPM, probably going to run a large PTO winch off of it.
Impressive. Does the PTO work? Would the 212 have the power to run the PTO? Thank you for the video. God Bless.
The PTO, does work, however it's only turning about 150rpm
Put the hood on it and tank with side curtains and a tall exhaust and you got a sleeper !
Yes I agree on the price it has gotten pretty crazy n I have the same problem with trying to buy one can find them cheaper but u click it n it's out of stock I have one series 30 I have been moving around projects to see them work but ya I'm very budgeted for builds so I understand what you mean keep it up though it's great content
Yes sir, every project is carefully budgeted, we are regular working folks.
H model horse power was just 26hp, impressive build!
If you got both tires to spin and I saw you did then that little predator is more than enough power for what you have set up.
Thanks man, when my 2wd Tahoe gets stuck at the farm, this should be able to pull it out, lol it happens about 3 times a year.
Pretty impressive
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How big is the biggest sprocket that you used on the tractor build. Thanks
84 teeth, thanks for watching
I put one of those predator engines on my three wheel Schwinn bike. 1/4 throttle is about 35 mph.
Are you going to put the IH sheet metal back on this tractor? I think it would look sharp to run the exhaust out through the hood like it was originally.
Yes sir, all the metal back on is the plan, I'm currently ordering more parts for under the hood, it's going to be interesting.
Keep it up this is very neat and interesting
It's about to get more of both
I been working on a couple of old Craftsman mowers... now I want to find an old tractor to tinker with
Do it!!!
Ah man nice video im bout to start looking for old tractors to swap with this k knowledge u could get a old blown up one cheap and just swap it lol
You should put 2 engines side by side. Seems like you could have a smaller sprocket at the transmission as well. I didn't hear a difference in the engine sound till you were in the road gear.
I'm thinking about 3 predator 212's , calling it the 3 headed monster