I love this a lot. My wife is an ESTJ. I disagree with what Amy said about Fi values not making sense. A lot of Fi values make sense, but that is not a requirement. They don't HAVE to make sense. -INFP
When Amy said “I know how to get things done” I thought “yeah, I relate to that”, but then she continued with “I break it down into smaller tasks and can estimate how long it will take really well” 😂 Then I was “hell no” 😂-ESTP
Excited for this! My BF (soon to be husband) is an ESTJ 8w7. I’m an INFJ 9w1. Before meeting him, I was opposed to the type...but now it’s one of my favorites.
my fiance and i thought he was an infj in the beginning, then for a while, an intj until we realized trauma made him supress himself from being really him. since he was a kid,he exhibited estj like traits and with in-depth research, we now see that he's been an estj this whole time and he has never been happier with his true sense of relation to mbti as an enfp i really respect estj's and man arent you guys the underdog powerhouses of mbti. you guys want to get stuff done but its all for, in the end, the best. best being, care of yourselves and your loved ones around you. the world would be quite messy without you guys
Thank you for doing this- I watched it on Spotify and it was good! We ESTJs get a lot of internet hate, the other types get some as well of course. Any MBTI type can have strengths and weaknesses and be healthy or toxic.
You all are the work horses of society. You are masters at task. I would encourage you to bathe yourself in love. Taskmasters without love and concern for others become slave drivers. People above task. I've seen ESTJs walk over people to accomplish the task. See relating to others as a task too.
I’m pretty sure my sister is estj so I’m getting some weird sister vibes coming these people haha. Either way love the type, love the channel. Thanks Joyce
Damn, I appreciate this. These guys live in Te. Feels good to see someone else speaking my language... Also I’m glad they explained their Si, as I have a hard time understanding it. Si and Ni users Tend to not want to explain how they work in normal settings
Joyce Meng thank you Joyce, you are making great content! I already see that your channel is going to be one of the main channels of mbti and I’m glad because I’m a lil biased when it comes to INXJs XD
52:17 You should always have a reason for why you value something. Fi isn't irrational. It's quite rational actually. Not knowing the reason simply means you need to reflect more to understand why you feel the way you do about something. Otherwise, if you can't determine the source for why you are holding something with great importance and value, it is most likely something that has been implanted or indoctrinated by someone or something else and it isn't actually your value. So then you need to evaluate where that value came from and determine if you actually agree with it or not and why.
Te is broad: "Eh, whatever works" -This is why they can actually change their minds on something, give them proof of it working and they can get on board with it -Any narrowminded would come from whether it leans masculine (immovable) or feminine (movable) Ti is narrow: "This is how I do things" -The focus is in what works for the Ti user themselves, which they won't enforce on anyone else -Masculine Ti would be more aggressive about protecting their own logic, Feminine Ti would be more open to tweaking it a bit Hope that makes sense
I don't recognize myself as INTP in that description of Ti. The way I see it its more about the Te Ti difference with emphasis on the E and the I; the external from the self vs the self. Ti would then be processing internally with language, categorization, definitons, logic, true/false, conclusion. while Te would prefer to extravert thinking through action, writing down, asking, making comparisons etc. As i understand it.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 Yeah I see, I'm going by the Objective Personality description cuz it's short and sweet, I see your definition as an extended version so I still agree with you
15:36, I'm an INFP and I'm the complete opposite, it's almos impossible for me to sit down and work if I don't get my play fix out of the way, once I get that out of the way I'm like "ok time to be an adult now". My dad for my entire childhood tried to get me to be work over play, but I'm 31 and I'm still play over work, unless work feels like play, then I'm work over food and sleep lol.
I'm ESTJ but while I enjoy working I feel people should find a job they enjoy and fit well in. I'll still do things I don't enjoy of course but it's nice to have a job that I care about and not just any job.
Ahhh, David revealed something amazing about Te-Si to me with his barista "good job" story. That's the 2nd half of their stack. Having Ne(Ability to gather info about external things) and Fi (Which means he would have a blindspot for when others use their Fi) at the end means that David didn't know what he meant. Having Ne 2nd, I interpret that as the customer saying, really: "You have made this coffee well, it's to my taste and aligns with other coffees that I've had that I've liked. I don't always get a coffee that ticks all these boxes that your coffee is ticking when I order this, and they're boxes I was hoping to have ticked when I did order it." David was basically looking for customized, easy to understand implicit information (Fi last) and the guy (Who likely was Fi NOT last since that's kind of the standard in the US) just wanted to let him know he was satisfied. (Maybe that customer was Fe, btw, instead) Which seemed to read purely as a platitude to David because, as Si knows, that sort of phrase is USUALLY a platitude. As someone with Si third, I am highly aware and always watching out for Si to "betray" me like that. It's pretty easy if you're not on guard... I have no idea what having it in your first 2 slots would be like though. Seems like something I wouldn't enjoy... which is why I have Ti-Ne instead, lol.
For me having Si means I rely on past experiences to help tell me what to do in this situation. So I have a good memory and can be good at problem solving, but sometimes have bad intuition (because Ni is 7th) about what other people are thinking/feeling. If I were in David's situation it might be hard to tell whether the person is being patronizing (like they are surprised that I could make a good cup of coffee), or if they just said it just to be nice, or that they are impressed with the quality of the coffee. As he said it was just pushing a button, so ideally a good coffee is the norm, also the guy told him it several times so I think he was just trying to be nice and it was his way of saying thanks, but we tend to take things literally.
I love what you guys said about hating when people are in need of praise for doing the bare minimum they are expected. I actually think its not the case that they want the praise for stroking their emotions. Instead it's about wanting some sort of confirmation that the direction they are going in the right direction. And if people are commenting "You are such a good dad for doing the obvious" is not really about praising that person but a veiled exhasperation or befuddlement that this is something you don't see alot. Maybe the media image is so negative it's just an acknowledgement of the nice things in everyday life that actually is the way it should be. It could even be a sign of endearing envy from someone who isn't a dad. There can be any number of subtexts for what someone says and its not always obvious. Its however important not to take just words at their most naive literal reading.
I see Te as optimizing what is external to the self with action, asking people, making comparisons, writing things down, etc, while Ti optimizes internal understandings with language, definitions,categorization, argumentative logic etc.
I too "steal." I love being mentored and to mentor others in the workplace. When I was in a managerial position I would try to help others become better at their jobs and many didn't want to hear it (I was not aggressive about it b/c I'm mindful of people's feelings). During my recent work evaluation, my supervisor told me that I'm the only one who actually implements feedback. I was a bit shocked (IDK WHY) that my coworkers don't want to improve their skills and think they're already doing their best. At least that's how I interpret it.
Amy and Page seems to be quite invested in their thinking. As in Masculine thinkers? Are both of them more prone to talking in "absolutes"? What applies to them also applies to all ESTJs? While in this very interview you can see David, a more even tempered ESTJ, being quite ambivalent towards Amy's generalities.
Amy is the stereotypical ESTJ. People can be rubbed the wrong way by the black and white “My way or the highway.” thinking. Also you can see the EJ behavior in her trying to take control of the situation. Amy wants to talk, so she takes the mic.
I relate to the "having an opinion about everything" part. I have various levels of theories about stuff. I call them my theories of level 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. Level 5 theories are the ones that are integrated into my personality/ego, the ones that define who I am, what I believe to be real/true and valuable. Theories of level 1 are the patterns I recognize in conversation with others, things I relate to other things, recurrent patterns that just popped into my mind. I think I get to this level 1 theories by just using Ne, you say something that I recognize from someplace else or that reminds me of something I saw before, you know? I research or experience the pattern more and the theory rises in solidity/level, they're only integrated into level 5 by Fi use. I search within myself if this is valuable to me and aligns with my previous held believes. I can talk about everything because I make creative connections to other things, talking to me is like pressing random on Wikipedia lol, but mostly for specific topics like psychology, sociology, philosophy and human/social stuff. - INFP
I can totally relate to the solution orientated too early in conversation. Whenever someone is complaining about something wrong in their life, my first instinct is to provide a solution/course of action to fix the problem. This frustrates people who just wanted someone to listen to their problems. I had to learn to just listen and not come up with solution and just listen to them. This is very hard to do!!! -ESTP P.S. sorry if I repeated myself, I had a few beers while watching the video
It's wild the way David talks about optimizing like it's a normal thing for him, I'm an INFP and I agree so much with breaking things down into small easy tasks, but that was something that I had to learn, and when I did it was a HUGE revelation for me, it was far from just "common sense"
I’m an ISTP and I’m here curious about why ESTJs are an ISTPs most compatible type. Off the bat I love that everyone here agrees they are Doers. I don’t get along well with people who are directionless and undecided. Also people who are insecure and, like you all mentioned, the implied nature of having to validate others. I don’t need it and I lack the wiring to understand why. As an ISTP, if you took my personality and flipped it inside out, the way you would a t-shirt, you have an ESTJ. “Do or do not, there is no try.” -Yoda
Amy has really good grasp of all 4 functions and utilizing them, I think. I will be "stealing" that word, replicator, for Te first/second from now on. As a Ti-lead, I HATE that idea, haha. Anything that gets in my brain has to go through the "me" filter. I've never, ever, EVER taken a process or idea 100% from anyone else. Not even my most trusted friends and family. 99% sure, but I simply CANNOT allow ideas (Which are different than information, Ne) exist in my brain without enough of a tweak to have my own mental signature on it.
Jess I know I am an INFP but Amy makes me douth my type a lot... and it also makes me understand more the why to my familys toxicity and negative effect on me
"it's hard to see the logical path in front of them' yeah your logical path. I found a tiny bag with about 30 grams of chicken in the freezer once and when I asked my ESTJ husband why it was there his response was 'the recipe said 300 grams'. I'm sure the recipe would have been fine with an extra mouthful of chicken in it but he just couldn't imagine not doing what the recipe said. II have and ESTJ Aunt is she is a huge ball of fun. The thing that annoys me the most about this type is that they tend to think their opinions are truth and their way is the only way.
It's a running joke that whenever we do some chores with our ESTJ aunt our job is to just stand and watch while she does everything 😄 She is kind and lets me (INFP) do things but often I become frustrated and step away because she keeps telling and showing me how to do it.
That’s super interesting the Te vs Ti Te can say things like they are 100% sure even though in their head it’s only 80% or so Ti has to use a bunch of “qualifiers” when they say things because they aren’t 100% sure. (Ex. Maybe, someone told me, this specific situation) I can see there are advantages to being “sure” about things like making big decisions but it does come off to me as jumping to conclusions.
"Te can say things like they are 100% sure even though in their head it’s only 80% or so" Haha..so true! So rule of thumb: When people proclaim or appear to be too sure, have doubts
I think type descpritions are more written with the idea of how to identify someone as a type, rather than what the type actually is. Like "How to tell if someone's ESTJ, Bossy, uptight, blah blah" only surface level stuff because it's the first thing you might see.
I can relate to the authority, if someone is good at being an authority I have no problem taking orders. I don’t mind power trips. As long as they can back it up.
@@hirsch4155 if I agree with them, I will do as they suggest, but because that’s what makes sense. If I disagree with them, but they force their authority on me, even if they are right, I will probably do as they say only if I decide that I don’t want to face the consequences. If I think I can live with the consequences, I will do what I want. Basically, it’s not about respect, it’s about doing what I want.
@@darthghitza8037 Hmm I get your point about respect, it’s really irrelevant for me too. For me it’s about connection. Which is a really hard thing for ESTPs, because of our weak Fi. The more you can feel connected to someone, the easier it is to follow their authority. This, I think, gets better with maturity.
Please doesn’t...usually fit into my phrasing ever, anytime I attempt to work it in: it always sounds...wrong?? So I don’t, I haven’t figured that part out yet, honestly I think I over-thank sometimes to compensate.
(INTJ) I totally vibe with so much of this that if I wasn't an introvert I'd probably question my type lol But just like ISTPs, I am so similar yet there's always that one super important fundamental difference in each that makes me confirm to myself my typing is correct.
Lol, I love ISTJs, it's so cute how y'all think you aren't scary, have no patience for ignorance, and no problem telling someone they're stupid (especially in creative ways)
Just gotta say if you're this type and have children or younger siblings please try to control yourself from jumping in because that can really screw someones self esteem up. Sometimes you gotta let people learn and do it even if they are as efficient as you.
Once a estj really liked me he called often and travelled all over the world as a journalist.. and I just didn't see it, but I was not decisive as a entp and it got weird between us and we parted our friendship. I wish we kept our friendship, but I feel he just detached and I was deffo became not important. He was rather quirky and we had a telephone call making a nuclear bomb..
"Turn off solution brain", fellow T here (INTP) and I've used that exact language before. I don't agree with everything Te says, but this is a shared T-function IMO.
There it is. There's that moment of aha! I've been looking for. Late high school I was an INTP, coming out of my weird cult childhood, then a decade later, in quick succession I got INFJ, INTJ, then (through interviews on this channel with ENTJs) ENTJ. It wasn't until truly studied the cognitive functions and, Ne in particular (therefor Si), nailing down exactly which functions I use narrowed me back down to INTP or ESTJ which share the middle functions Ne Si switched, and Ti Fe for INTP and Te Fi for ESTJ. I knew I'm always go go go which tells me Te, and the very fact I've struggled finding my type says Fi. Great video thanks everyone who showed anda shared!
I hate to complicate Fi even more, but I feel like Amy did not do it justice. Fi has an irrational side (Likes, desires, personal highly regarded things), and it has a rational side (moral values, ethics, right and wrongs). A persons personal likes and desires can be very irrational"Why do you like this song? Idk I just like it", but morals and ethics are based on reasons. For example "I personally believe you shouldn't hit someone in the face unless you are ok with being hit in the face", this is not irrational, the reason for it is if you don't want to receive pain, then don't inflict pain on others, which would increase your chances to receive pain.
TLDR: These are ALL the Melvins who remind the teacher they forgot to give out homework, lol. Exactly what I expected from Si 2nd IE Si-presenting lol.
Isn’t the experience Page had not much different from a Fi user who happens to offend? That is, why is the Te user on the hook? If you’re friends , and I’m assuming it’s a good friend, shouldn’t there be allowances for “offence”? And yourself being offended is a teachable moment for yourself, not only the other person. It seems other sensibilities get cut the slack because they have functions needing to be humoured if it’s not “honoured” enough either by oneself or others, say Estjs.I can see with being strangers to one other one has to make allowances, but that there’s this awkwardness as David says doesn’t seem healthy.
Amy is annoying. Fi is not irrational emotions. Fi is a function of rational subjective judgements based on right/wrong. She's wrong and she's basing her understanding on an incorrect understanding of Fi based on her irrational emotional husband. She has only had an experience of her irrational type husband INFP who is actually IP temperament meaning he's irrational type and being irrational MBTI error is that INFP are lead with Ni Fe and NOT FiNe. INFJ are FiNe. This is an MBTI translation error because the Meyer's Briggs did not research Jung on the introverts and incorrectly assigned INFP (an irrational type) with a rational base function being Fi
Maritsa Darmandzhyan She is an Estj, her interpretation of Fi is « negative » cause it’s a demon. For thinkers feeling are irrational. To say Fi is purely rational is not true and saying purely irrational too. Now in my opinion that’s a misunderstanding of Fi putting it as a rational in cognitive language, I think there are better name for it, like decider in Op for example wich is more about decision making (wich is not rational based, it’s interest base for Fi). The metrics it deals with are not rational even if it’s attempt is decision base with criterias wich are « coherent for the individual » and not perception purely. Socionics and mbti have difference in writing with J and P. The J/P is in Mbti=first extrovert fucntion vs Socionics =First fucntion. I don’t think Jung write the code we have today with myerbriggs and that their writing is « wrong ».
Maritsa Darmandzhyan That’s mean you know what you are talking about in Mbti and Psychological types. So I have 1 question: Did Jung imply the mbti code (particularly J/P dichotomy) ? For what I know he mention 8 fucntions and primary auxiliary role. Even if your education is high the philosophy, writing/language typology precision and future typology matter of some concepts at hands are not known or own significantly by you, at least in that matter (wich is probably what my comment highlight the most, not jung saying and what is perceive to be true by the masses). If Jung says Fi is rational doesn’t mean he is right. Just copy paste stuff that are known to be right for now doesn’t imply it is right. Jung is phenomenal but nailing the « code », writing, philosophy of it 100% is most probably wrong. Try to see beyond your ideas in terms of your time you live in. I think we can agree that this type of subject is not nailed for now and tbh it will never be « finish ».
I define my husband as a Fi Ne user. In MBTI that makes him an INFP. I know Maritsa does not like to define it that way. She prefers to call Fi Ne INFJ like Socionics.
@@amypluth7931 he's NiFe. I already said this is an MBTI introvert functional assignment error. This is currently being corrected. INfP are IRRATIONAL types so they lead with Ni as P types
You guys are so different from me. My strong point would be creating solutions and ideas. Wacky and wild. And making a system or putting it in a system later. But getting it done yeah I postpone that. Finish the project? But I am having so much fun. Why finish it? I just put new tires on my bike. Started it. One tool was missing. Did some other things for the week. Decided to find the tool. Next morning after that changed the tires. There really needs to be a deadline or high priorityfor me to finish things ASAP. Sometimes it works to do errands ASAP to reward myself by working on something more fun only when I get the boring stuff out of the way. I think of more efficient ways to do things to save time and effort so I have mire time and energy for fun things. I like the free flow of things. Disadvantage. I can be of in daydreamy land. - intp -
Oh boy Amy, yeah but saying please shows you recognise you are not doing the work you are asking someone to do something whether it's for them or for a mutual goal or your self you are crossing a boundary between yourself and someone else. I know we are in it together, really? I agree but sometimes it's not evident and that can be a problem and can manifest itself in different ways. Its the difference between a command and a request l mean l get it you don't see a problem but it's like the way you just say it as if it doesn't matter. Think of it as one of your Te principles man the fact you don't value others principles shows a lack of sincerity not entirely l am sure l know l don't know Te that well so what seems like a lack of sincerity to me is felt as a hypocrisy when l consider my feminine Te. I'm sure on your own you understand Fi and the value of saying please (or do you? Which you are kind of contradicting strangely) but your lack of sincerity about your weaknesses in Fi is making some of your statements look blunt and insincere. So that we can't acknowledge your actual sincerity. Of course Fe might look at Fi as insincere but that's what l mean your strengths are shining Te and Si but you are not showing your Fi well AT TIMES. Having said that you sure do know how to get your way. But then again contradicting myself l can see why your doing it your way, just giving feedback don't know how it comes across certainly seeing some holes in my armour but take what you will or not shucks why am l talking. I get it you guys are responsible and knowone acknowledges you guys for that and l get it it is to be done it's the human thing to do. You must see then how that seems to someone who doesn't have the same commendable responsibility you have I COMMAND YOU. Your voluntary response to duty whether forced or not shows your person hood. That needs to be the response of everyone but it needs to be voluntary just like you if not then it's not sincere. And insincerity can breed contempt you guys deal with it somehow which makes me wonder if you guys feel contempt l assume not but l assume. Can see the purpose of Te now responsibility isn't easy but souls are dying and partly because of their rebellious nature. You guys are not rebellious you do what must be done you are obedient and understand the big picture more than intuitives understand but hey. Souls are also dying because the human soul in them is crashed by authorities who don't minister to the individual soul the hidden man. A robot with a soul is an oxymoron. Fi can be rebellious yes but look at it this way we say please because it shows we are polite. Being polite shows we are considerate and considering a broken soul can go a long way it reminds the person they are valuable and not disposable which some The Dom's are quick to consider. And frankly that defeats your purpose, which l believe is to show why rebellion and disobedience ruins the world and all that is therein. I mean if you don't care don't tell us you understand our Fi we see your value but if we can't see your sincerity we wonder if you're still human. Because a leader who cares is not going to dispose of you when they deem you useless but rather encourage you. But if you don't see why please is important then l'd rather not buy into the illusion we are together if we are really not. To me it shows me why God is important because unlike humans he is a leader who won't forget his useless sheep because he loves them. With him there is no illusion of togetherness if you are with him and part of his fold. Like l said l am sure your sincere but your statements betray what you mean sometimes that blunt Te. Keep running 💪 love INFP. Forgive me for contradicting myself l don't need to share this but l have wasted the time might as well share my hypocrisy hoping it's useful. I just realized why you guys come across the way you do Fi is unruly when it forgets the dying souls it's sent to encourage. And wallows in self importance and forgets to say it is possible to be sincere without pretence that caring for people inspires good will and Estjs reminder us why obidience and responsibility is important, what is good will if you can't do what must be done to respond to the things that must be maintained social rules (but really l'm talking about a message that humans need to understand for their own good if they are to realize why we are here). Dutiful unwearied ESTJs like all types can be a light on the earth if we understood the gospel. Long long rant but no please is a word that expresses something deep in our nature's an unresponsive heart that needs to be pleased with or that needs to be acknowledge the need for another no man is an island. Something SaraMBTI captured so well about the struggle of the feeling functions Fe/Fi. INFPs and ENFJs can't connect to others. (TH-cam)
I said your weaknesses in Fi oh boy l'm bad. By criticising you l actual implicated myself. Oh boy you ESTJs are allows in the 🔥 aren't you l respect your struggle.
Please tell me your type! I'm guessing INFP. I tried to read the entire thing, but it was hard for me to understand everything. I noticed some tangents. By the way, because I'm a high Te user, I just see saying "good morning" as a societal ritual. Recently, I realized that greeting people properly gives them a sense of acknowledgement and makes them feel good. It's hard for me to understand these things, and I feel really bad when I offend people.
I come back to this panel a lot because I just wish there was more ESTJ and ISTJ talks. They are very fascinating people.
I love this a lot. My wife is an ESTJ. I disagree with what Amy said about Fi values not making sense. A lot of Fi values make sense, but that is not a requirement. They don't HAVE to make sense.
-INFP
That is a better way to put it. Thanks.
As an INTJ, I appreciate all of you ESTJs for valuing efficiency & integrity. We would never waste a moment of each other’s time.
Sounds like a wet 😴
I'm an ESTJ and my son is an INTJ and this is so true!
My local ESTJ is the rad-est, so I agree.
When Amy said “I know how to get things done” I thought “yeah, I relate to that”, but then she continued with “I break it down into smaller tasks and can estimate how long it will take really well” 😂 Then I was “hell no” 😂-ESTP
Much respect to the ESTJs in my life and online. Very efficient and hardworking folks. I hope and aspire to be that way. -INFP
:) They really know how to get stuff done in the most efficient way possible. Always hitting those metrics of performance.
I understand my grandma more now. Thank you Joyce for putting this together.
ESTJs are just very warm hearted people.
warm-hearted, action oriented, guiding people I'd say.
Excited for this! My BF (soon to be husband) is an ESTJ 8w7. I’m an INFJ 9w1. Before meeting him, I was opposed to the type...but now it’s one of my favorites.
INFJ x ESTJ - what an adorable match! Hope you enjoy the episode, Tristan.
My issue with Amy's emotional control advice is how do you plan when to cry. That is very much an in the moment reaction, not a planned action.
25:25 This reminds me that my dad has a shirt that says "I don't babysit, it's called parenting."
my fiance and i thought he was an infj in the beginning, then for a while, an intj until we realized trauma made him supress himself from being really him. since he was a kid,he exhibited estj like traits and with in-depth research, we now see that he's been an estj this whole time and he has never been happier with his true sense of relation to mbti
as an enfp i really respect estj's and man arent you guys the underdog powerhouses of mbti. you guys want to get stuff done but its all for, in the end, the best. best being, care of yourselves and your loved ones around you. the world would be quite messy without you guys
Thank you for doing this- I watched it on Spotify and it was good! We ESTJs get a lot of internet hate, the other types get some as well of course. Any MBTI type can have strengths and weaknesses and be healthy or toxic.
You all are the work horses of society. You are masters at task. I would encourage you to bathe yourself in love. Taskmasters without love and concern for others become slave drivers.
People above task. I've seen ESTJs walk over people to accomplish the task.
See relating to others as a task too.
I’m pretty sure my sister is estj so I’m getting some weird sister vibes coming these people haha. Either way love the type, love the channel. Thanks Joyce
Interesting. It's your sister's type!! Happy to hear that you're enjoying the channel :) Thanks for watching, Ryan.
Amys knowledge is very insightful
Damn, I appreciate this. These guys live in Te. Feels good to see someone else speaking my language... Also I’m glad they explained their Si, as I have a hard time understanding it. Si and Ni users Tend to not want to explain how they work in normal settings
Yes, it's so nice to see other Te users!! Glad you feel at home with others speaking your language @Hometown Rapper. :)
Joyce Meng thank you Joyce, you are making great content! I already see that your channel is going to be one of the main channels of mbti and I’m glad because I’m a lil biased when it comes to INXJs XD
52:17 You should always have a reason for why you value something. Fi isn't irrational. It's quite rational actually. Not knowing the reason simply means you need to reflect more to understand why you feel the way you do about something. Otherwise, if you can't determine the source for why you are holding something with great importance and value, it is most likely something that has been implanted or indoctrinated by someone or something else and it isn't actually your value. So then you need to evaluate where that value came from and determine if you actually agree with it or not and why.
1:14:52 "This process was stupid" Aha! There's the Te special code word I was waiting for! haha
Te is broad: "Eh, whatever works"
-This is why they can actually change their minds on something, give them proof of it working and they can get on board with it
-Any narrowminded would come from whether it leans masculine (immovable) or feminine (movable)
Ti is narrow: "This is how I do things"
-The focus is in what works for the Ti user themselves, which they won't enforce on anyone else
-Masculine Ti would be more aggressive about protecting their own logic, Feminine Ti would be more open to tweaking it a bit
Hope that makes sense
I don't recognize myself as INTP in that description of Ti.
The way I see it its more about the Te Ti difference with emphasis on the E and the I; the external from the self vs the self.
Ti would then be processing internally with language, categorization, definitons, logic, true/false, conclusion.
while Te would prefer to extravert thinking through action, writing down, asking, making comparisons etc.
As i understand it.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 Yeah I see, I'm going by the Objective Personality description cuz it's short and sweet, I see your definition as an extended version so I still agree with you
15:36, I'm an INFP and I'm the complete opposite, it's almos impossible for me to sit down and work if I don't get my play fix out of the way, once I get that out of the way I'm like "ok time to be an adult now". My dad for my entire childhood tried to get me to be work over play, but I'm 31 and I'm still play over work, unless work feels like play, then I'm work over food and sleep lol.
I'm ESTJ but while I enjoy working I feel people should find a job they enjoy and fit well in. I'll still do things I don't enjoy of course but it's nice to have a job that I care about and not just any job.
Ahhh, David revealed something amazing about Te-Si to me with his barista "good job" story. That's the 2nd half of their stack.
Having Ne(Ability to gather info about external things) and Fi (Which means he would have a blindspot for when others use their Fi) at the end means that David didn't know what he meant. Having Ne 2nd, I interpret that as the customer saying, really: "You have made this coffee well, it's to my taste and aligns with other coffees that I've had that I've liked. I don't always get a coffee that ticks all these boxes that your coffee is ticking when I order this, and they're boxes I was hoping to have ticked when I did order it."
David was basically looking for customized, easy to understand implicit information (Fi last) and the guy (Who likely was Fi NOT last since that's kind of the standard in the US) just wanted to let him know he was satisfied. (Maybe that customer was Fe, btw, instead) Which seemed to read purely as a platitude to David because, as Si knows, that sort of phrase is USUALLY a platitude.
As someone with Si third, I am highly aware and always watching out for Si to "betray" me like that. It's pretty easy if you're not on guard... I have no idea what having it in your first 2 slots would be like though. Seems like something I wouldn't enjoy... which is why I have Ti-Ne instead, lol.
For me having Si means I rely on past experiences to help tell me what to do in this situation. So I have a good memory and can be good at problem solving, but sometimes have bad intuition (because Ni is 7th) about what other people are thinking/feeling.
If I were in David's situation it might be hard to tell whether the person is being patronizing (like they are surprised that I could make a good cup of coffee), or if they just said it just to be nice, or that they are impressed with the quality of the coffee. As he said it was just pushing a button, so ideally a good coffee is the norm, also the guy told him it several times so I think he was just trying to be nice and it was his way of saying thanks, but we tend to take things literally.
I love what you guys said about hating when people are in need of praise for doing the bare minimum they are expected.
I actually think its not the case that they want the praise for stroking their emotions.
Instead it's about wanting some sort of confirmation that the direction they are going in the right direction.
And if people are commenting "You are such a good dad for doing the obvious" is not really about praising that person but a veiled exhasperation or befuddlement that this is something you don't see alot. Maybe the media image is so negative it's just an acknowledgement of the nice things in everyday life that actually is the way it should be.
It could even be a sign of endearing envy from someone who isn't a dad.
There can be any number of subtexts for what someone says and its not always obvious.
Its however important not to take just words at their most naive literal reading.
I see Te as optimizing what is external to the self with action, asking people, making comparisons, writing things down, etc, while Ti optimizes internal understandings with language, definitions,categorization, argumentative logic etc.
I too "steal." I love being mentored and to mentor others in the workplace. When I was in a managerial position I would try to help others become better at their jobs and many didn't want to hear it (I was not aggressive about it b/c I'm mindful of people's feelings). During my recent work evaluation, my supervisor told me that I'm the only one who actually implements feedback. I was a bit shocked (IDK WHY) that my coworkers don't want to improve their skills and think they're already doing their best. At least that's how I interpret it.
I can so relate to this. I always examine feedback as I want to continually be improving myself.
Amy and Page seems to be quite invested in their thinking. As in Masculine thinkers? Are both of them more prone to talking in "absolutes"? What applies to them also applies to all ESTJs? While in this very interview you can see David, a more even tempered ESTJ, being quite ambivalent towards Amy's generalities.
Amy is the stereotypical ESTJ. People can be rubbed the wrong way by the black and white “My way or the highway.” thinking. Also you can see the EJ behavior in her trying to take control of the situation. Amy wants to talk, so she takes the mic.
I relate to the "having an opinion about everything" part. I have various levels of theories about stuff. I call them my theories of level 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. Level 5 theories are the ones that are integrated into my personality/ego, the ones that define who I am, what I believe to be real/true and valuable.
Theories of level 1 are the patterns I recognize in conversation with others, things I relate to other things, recurrent patterns that just popped into my mind. I think I get to this level 1 theories by just using Ne, you say something that I recognize from someplace else or that reminds me of something I saw before, you know?
I research or experience the pattern more and the theory rises in solidity/level, they're only integrated into level 5 by Fi use. I search within myself if this is valuable to me and aligns with my previous held believes. I can talk about everything because I make creative connections to other things, talking to me is like pressing random on Wikipedia lol, but mostly for specific topics like psychology, sociology, philosophy and human/social stuff. - INFP
It's funny ESTJs struggle to read between the lines, because INFPs all they do is read between the lines, even if there's nothing there.
I can totally relate to the solution orientated too early in conversation. Whenever someone is complaining about something wrong in their life, my first instinct is to provide a solution/course of action to fix the problem. This frustrates people who just wanted someone to listen to their problems. I had to learn to just listen and not come up with solution and just listen to them. This is very hard to do!!! -ESTP P.S. sorry if I repeated myself, I had a few beers while watching the video
It's wild the way David talks about optimizing like it's a normal thing for him, I'm an INFP and I agree so much with breaking things down into small easy tasks, but that was something that I had to learn, and when I did it was a HUGE revelation for me, it was far from just "common sense"
nice! my dad is estj. I get to compare! Cant wait!
Cool to know that about your dad, S.U.! Hope you enjoy it!
I’m an ISTP and I’m here curious about why ESTJs are an ISTPs most compatible type.
Off the bat I love that everyone here agrees they are Doers. I don’t get along well with people who are directionless and undecided. Also people who are insecure and, like you all mentioned, the implied nature of having to validate others. I don’t need it and I lack the wiring to understand why.
As an ISTP, if you took my personality and flipped it inside out, the way you would a t-shirt, you have an ESTJ.
“Do or do not, there is no try.” -Yoda
I was taught that “temperament” is from birth and pretty steady throughout life. “Personality” changes and is affected by environment and upbringing.
I don’t see any videos for ENTJs but this was so fun!!! ESTJs are quite interesting.
ENTJ panel is coming up!
@@JoyceMeng22 Can’t wait!!! Can we make them angry?! 😂
This is interesting to see as an ENFJs, the ESTJs shadow hahah
Ha! Have fun deep diving into your shadow side. 🙂
@@JoyceMeng22 Woah.
This is so interesting! I'm ENFJ and its really nice to see how other people think
Love the ESTJ definition of multitasking... planning multiple tasks ahead of time, haha.
Amy has really good grasp of all 4 functions and utilizing them, I think. I will be "stealing" that word, replicator, for Te first/second from now on.
As a Ti-lead, I HATE that idea, haha. Anything that gets in my brain has to go through the "me" filter. I've never, ever, EVER taken a process or idea 100% from anyone else. Not even my most trusted friends and family. 99% sure, but I simply CANNOT allow ideas (Which are different than information, Ne) exist in my brain without enough of a tweak to have my own mental signature on it.
you should have invited CS Joseph here :P
Oof! Lol
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Jess I know I am an INFP but Amy makes me douth my type a lot... and it also makes me understand more the why to my familys toxicity and negative effect on me
"it's hard to see the logical path in front of them' yeah your logical path. I found a tiny bag with about 30 grams of chicken in the freezer once and when I asked my ESTJ husband why it was there his response was 'the recipe said 300 grams'. I'm sure the recipe would have been fine with an extra mouthful of chicken in it but he just couldn't imagine not doing what the recipe said. II have and ESTJ Aunt is she is a huge ball of fun. The thing that annoys me the most about this type is that they tend to think their opinions are truth and their way is the only way.
Interesting! I'm the same as an INFP. My ESFJ mom is like, "Just estimate and do it your way."
It's a running joke that whenever we do some chores with our ESTJ aunt our job is to just stand and watch while she does everything 😄 She is kind and lets me (INFP) do things but often I become frustrated and step away because she keeps telling and showing me how to do it.
Good fictional ESTJ, The Dad in how to train your dragon.
That’s super interesting the Te vs Ti
Te can say things like they are 100% sure even though in their head it’s only 80% or so
Ti has to use a bunch of “qualifiers” when they say things because they aren’t 100% sure. (Ex. Maybe, someone told me, this specific situation)
I can see there are advantages to being “sure” about things like making big decisions but it does come off to me as jumping to conclusions.
This is a great differentiator, Ryan!
"Te can say things like they are 100% sure even though in their head it’s only 80% or so"
Haha..so true! So rule of thumb: When people proclaim or appear to be too sure, have doubts
42:47 greatest hustlers I ever came across, most efficient
I think type descpritions are more written with the idea of how to identify someone as a type, rather than what the type actually is. Like "How to tell if someone's ESTJ, Bossy, uptight, blah blah" only surface level stuff because it's the first thing you might see.
I wonder when are you doing this with INTJs and ESFPs
I will one day, I promise! =]
I can relate to the authority, if someone is good at being an authority I have no problem taking orders. I don’t mind power trips. As long as they can back it up.
ESTP here… I cannot relate at all 😂
@@darthghitza8037 Nah I’m too down to earth to not respect someone’s authority if they are good at what they do. It all depends.
@@hirsch4155 if I agree with them, I will do as they suggest, but because that’s what makes sense. If I disagree with them, but they force their authority on me, even if they are right, I will probably do as they say only if I decide that I don’t want to face the consequences. If I think I can live with the consequences, I will do what I want. Basically, it’s not about respect, it’s about doing what I want.
@@hirsch4155 This is what makes mbti so interesting, it gives us insight into how different we are, yet similar as well.
@@darthghitza8037 Hmm I get your point about respect, it’s really irrelevant for me too. For me it’s about connection. Which is a really hard thing for ESTPs, because of our weak Fi. The more you can feel connected to someone, the easier it is to follow their authority. This, I think, gets better with maturity.
Please doesn’t...usually fit into my phrasing ever, anytime I attempt to work it in: it always sounds...wrong?? So I don’t, I haven’t figured that part out yet, honestly I think I over-thank sometimes to compensate.
I’ve always found ESTJs so interesting -ISFP
(INTJ) I totally vibe with so much of this that if I wasn't an introvert I'd probably question my type lol
But just like ISTPs, I am so similar yet there's always that one super important fundamental difference in each that makes me confirm to myself my typing is correct.
estjs are abrasive 💀 but like watching them is also hilarious -isfp
This video is very helpful, thank you!
Lol, I love ISTJs, it's so cute how y'all think you aren't scary, have no patience for ignorance, and no problem telling someone they're stupid (especially in creative ways)
Just gotta say if you're this type and have children or younger siblings please try to control yourself from jumping in because that can really screw someones self esteem up. Sometimes you gotta let people learn and do it even if they are as efficient as you.
What are the pages Page and Janelle are referring to? Is there a link?
Once a estj really liked me he called often and travelled all over the world as a journalist.. and I just didn't see it, but I was not decisive as a entp and it got weird between us and we parted our friendship.
I wish we kept our friendship, but I feel he just detached and I was deffo became not important.
He was rather quirky and we had a telephone call making a nuclear bomb..
ESTj gang 💪💪💪
"Turn off solution brain", fellow T here (INTP) and I've used that exact language before. I don't agree with everything Te says, but this is a shared T-function IMO.
There it is. There's that moment of aha! I've been looking for. Late high school I was an INTP, coming out of my weird cult childhood, then a decade later, in quick succession I got INFJ, INTJ, then (through interviews on this channel with ENTJs) ENTJ.
It wasn't until truly studied the cognitive functions and, Ne in particular (therefor Si), nailing down exactly which functions I use narrowed me back down to INTP or ESTJ which share the middle functions Ne Si switched, and Ti Fe for INTP and Te Fi for ESTJ. I knew I'm always go go go which tells me Te, and the very fact I've struggled finding my type says Fi. Great video thanks everyone who showed anda shared!
Glad you found your type home, @Claego! It's a great moment of clarity to arrive at a type that fits like a glove.
The Ratatouille chef reminds me of Gordon Ramsey.
I hate to complicate Fi even more, but I feel like Amy did not do it justice. Fi has an irrational side (Likes, desires, personal highly regarded things), and it has a rational side (moral values, ethics, right and wrongs). A persons personal likes and desires can be very irrational"Why do you like this song? Idk I just like it", but morals and ethics are based on reasons. For example "I personally believe you shouldn't hit someone in the face unless you are ok with being hit in the face", this is not irrational, the reason for it is if you don't want to receive pain, then don't inflict pain on others, which would increase your chances to receive pain.
Why is cold and distant a dangerous place to be?
TLDR: These are ALL the Melvins who remind the teacher they forgot to give out homework, lol. Exactly what I expected from Si 2nd IE Si-presenting lol.
Rob Stark was a cool ass ESTJ.
Oh Amy.
Isn’t the experience Page had not much different from a Fi user who happens to offend? That is, why is the Te user on the hook? If you’re friends , and I’m assuming it’s a good friend, shouldn’t there be allowances for “offence”? And yourself being offended is a teachable moment for yourself, not only the other person. It seems other sensibilities get cut the slack because they have functions needing to be humoured if it’s not “honoured” enough either by oneself or others, say Estjs.I can see with being strangers to one other one has to make allowances, but that there’s this awkwardness as David says doesn’t seem healthy.
I think Page has the highest developed Ti of them all.
What about ENTJ videos? Haven't seen them represented in any of your videos. -ENTJ
I'm planning on setting one up soon @Space Wizard! Would you be interested in joining? If so, email me at joycemeng22@gmail.com 🙂
@@JoyceMeng22 just emailed you!
Amy is annoying. Fi is not irrational emotions. Fi is a function of rational subjective judgements based on right/wrong. She's wrong and she's basing her understanding on an incorrect understanding of Fi based on her irrational emotional husband. She has only had an experience of her irrational type husband INFP who is actually IP temperament meaning he's irrational type and being irrational MBTI error is that INFP are lead with Ni Fe and NOT FiNe. INFJ are FiNe. This is an MBTI translation error because the Meyer's Briggs did not research Jung on the introverts and incorrectly assigned INFP (an irrational type) with a rational base function being Fi
Maritsa Darmandzhyan She is an Estj, her interpretation of Fi is « negative » cause it’s a demon. For thinkers feeling are irrational. To say Fi is purely rational is not true and saying purely irrational too. Now in my opinion that’s a misunderstanding of Fi putting it as a rational in cognitive language, I think there are better name for it, like decider in Op for example wich is more about decision making (wich is not rational based, it’s interest base for Fi). The metrics it deals with are not rational even if it’s attempt is decision base with criterias wich are « coherent for the individual » and not perception purely. Socionics and mbti have difference in writing with J and P. The J/P is in Mbti=first extrovert fucntion vs Socionics =First fucntion. I don’t think Jung write the code we have today with myerbriggs and that their writing is « wrong ».
@@savagestudio9666 I'm an expert in the MBTI and Jung's Psychological types
Maritsa Darmandzhyan That’s mean you know what you are talking about in Mbti and Psychological types. So I have 1 question: Did Jung imply the mbti code (particularly J/P dichotomy) ? For what I know he mention 8 fucntions and primary auxiliary role. Even if your education is high the philosophy, writing/language typology precision and future typology matter of some concepts at hands are not known or own significantly by you, at least in that matter (wich is probably what my comment highlight the most, not jung saying and what is perceive to be true by the masses). If Jung says Fi is rational doesn’t mean he is right. Just copy paste stuff that are known to be right for now doesn’t imply it is right. Jung is phenomenal but nailing the « code », writing, philosophy of it 100% is most probably wrong. Try to see beyond your ideas in terms of your time you live in. I think we can agree that this type of subject is not nailed for now and tbh it will never be « finish ».
I define my husband as a Fi Ne user. In MBTI that makes him an INFP. I know Maritsa does not like to define it that way. She prefers to call Fi Ne INFJ like Socionics.
@@amypluth7931 he's NiFe. I already said this is an MBTI introvert functional assignment error. This is currently being corrected. INfP are IRRATIONAL types so they lead with Ni as P types
You guys are so different from me.
My strong point would be creating solutions and ideas. Wacky and wild. And making a system or putting it in a system later. But getting it done yeah I postpone that. Finish the project? But I am having so much fun. Why finish it?
I just put new tires on my bike. Started it. One tool was missing. Did some other things for the week. Decided to find the tool. Next morning after that changed the tires.
There really needs to be a deadline or high priorityfor me to finish things ASAP. Sometimes it works to do errands ASAP to reward myself by working on something more fun only when I get the boring stuff out of the way.
I think of more efficient ways to do things to save time and effort so I have mire time and energy for fun things. I like the free flow of things. Disadvantage. I can be of in daydreamy land.
- intp -
Oh boy Amy, yeah but saying please shows you recognise you are not doing the work you are asking someone to do something whether it's for them or for a mutual goal or your self you are crossing a boundary between yourself and someone else. I know we are in it together, really? I agree but sometimes it's not evident and that can be a problem and can manifest itself in different ways.
Its the difference between a command and a request l mean l get it you don't see a problem but it's like the way you just say it as if it doesn't matter.
Think of it as one of your Te principles man the fact you don't value others principles shows a lack of sincerity not entirely l am sure l know l don't know Te that well so what seems like a lack of sincerity to me is felt as a hypocrisy when l consider my feminine Te.
I'm sure on your own you understand Fi and the value of saying please (or do you? Which you are kind of contradicting strangely) but your lack of sincerity about your weaknesses in Fi is making some of your statements look blunt and insincere. So that we can't acknowledge your actual sincerity.
Of course Fe might look at Fi as insincere but that's what l mean your strengths are shining Te and Si but you are not showing your Fi well AT TIMES. Having said that you sure do know how to get your way. But then again contradicting myself l can see why your doing it your way, just giving feedback don't know how it comes across certainly seeing some holes in my armour but take what you will or not shucks why am l talking.
I get it you guys are responsible and knowone acknowledges you guys for that and l get it it is to be done it's the human thing to do. You must see then how that seems to someone who doesn't have the same commendable responsibility you have I COMMAND YOU. Your voluntary response to duty whether forced or not shows your person hood.
That needs to be the response of everyone but it needs to be voluntary just like you if not then it's not sincere. And insincerity can breed contempt you guys deal with it somehow which makes me wonder if you guys feel contempt l assume not but l assume.
Can see the purpose of Te now responsibility isn't easy but souls are dying and partly because of their rebellious nature. You guys are not rebellious you do what must be done you are obedient and understand the big picture more than intuitives understand but hey.
Souls are also dying because the human soul in them is crashed by authorities who don't minister to the individual soul the hidden man. A robot with a soul is an oxymoron. Fi can be rebellious yes but look at it this way we say please because it shows we are polite.
Being polite shows we are considerate and considering a broken soul can go a long way it reminds the person they are valuable and not disposable which some The Dom's are quick to consider. And frankly that defeats your purpose, which l believe is to show why rebellion and disobedience ruins the world and all that is therein.
I mean if you don't care don't tell us you understand our Fi we see your value but if we can't see your sincerity we wonder if you're still human. Because a leader who cares is not going to dispose of you when they deem you useless but rather encourage you. But if you don't see why please is important then l'd rather not buy into the illusion we are together if we are really not.
To me it shows me why God is important because unlike humans he is a leader who won't forget his useless sheep because he loves them. With him there is no illusion of togetherness if you are with him and part of his fold. Like l said l am sure your sincere but your statements betray what you mean sometimes that blunt Te. Keep running 💪 love INFP.
Forgive me for contradicting myself l don't need to share this but l have wasted the time might as well share my hypocrisy hoping it's useful. I just realized why you guys come across the way you do Fi is unruly when it forgets the dying souls it's sent to encourage. And wallows in self importance and forgets to say it is possible to be sincere without pretence that caring for people inspires good will and Estjs reminder us why obidience and responsibility is important, what is good will if you can't do what must be done to respond to the things that must be maintained social rules (but really l'm talking about a message that humans need to understand for their own good if they are to realize why we are here).
Dutiful unwearied ESTJs like all types can be a light on the earth if we understood the gospel. Long long rant but no please is a word that expresses something deep in our nature's an unresponsive heart that needs to be pleased with or that needs to be acknowledge the need for another no man is an island.
Something SaraMBTI captured so well about the struggle of the feeling functions Fe/Fi.
INFPs and ENFJs can't connect to others. (TH-cam)
I said your weaknesses in Fi oh boy l'm bad. By criticising you l actual implicated myself. Oh boy you ESTJs are allows in the 🔥 aren't you l respect your struggle.
Please tell me your type! I'm guessing INFP. I tried to read the entire thing, but it was hard for me to understand everything. I noticed some tangents. By the way, because I'm a high Te user, I just see saying "good morning" as a societal ritual. Recently, I realized that greeting people properly gives them a sense of acknowledgement and makes them feel good. It's hard for me to understand these things, and I feel really bad when I offend people.