Poor Patrick, he got so distracted by the fan noise he forget to tuck his mike cable in and I wouldn't have even noticed it if the Editor hadn't trolled him :D
Honestly, the price of this switch is still high for a non brand. I rather get the Mikrotik CRS304-4XG-IN, has 4x 10GbE RJ45 ports, that can also do 2.5G and 5G, with RouteOS for an MSRP of $199.
@@ServeTheHomeVideoIf you are referring to the Hasivos in this video, I still appreciate the video, any review of this cheaper networking gear is always welcome. Me personally, I've been struggling to find a switch that can do 2x 10GbE Rj45 ports and than a few 1GbE ports with some management options.
Well, CE is a self-certification. Meaning you don't have to pay a certification body (like UL or FCC) for it. But without it you can't import it into the EU as a consumer :(
wrong you can buy whatever as a consumer and have it shipped as an item, the certifications are for wholesale importer companies that have to follow import regulations
I just worry about "Getting what you pay for" in-terms of perhaps the software on these switches has vulnerabilities that allows jumping between VLAN's or something, and also not knowing if we can trust that the packets aren't also being sent "elsewhere" we might not want. It might be fine but with more and more stuff being built in China and China becoming more and more hostile I don't know if I want to trust really cheap devices any more. Just a thought.
We have covered this in our big round-ups, but we stick all of these switches on a network to look for extra traffic. Of course, we cannot test for everything. If all data was sent elsewhere, it would be very easy to spot at the firewall.
I have the Ubiquiti UniFi Flex XG (10 Gbit). It have 5 ports, but, one of the ports is a 1 Gbit uplink port so you can connect it to a router or another switch. The 1 Gbit uplink port is also PoE port so the switch can be powered over the network. The annoying part is that you can't manage the switch directly. You need the UniFi Network Application software installed on your PC. And I would say it's semi-managed because there isn't much you can manage except updating the firmware on it and enable Jumbo frames.
The released the 320 poe and failed us with even 2.5gbe. Mikrotik has no idea of what we want, or does not want to hit too cheap a price point. TP already came out with a decent option in the SG3218, but i never liked TP.
I just picked up the Mokerlink POE-2G08610GSM and am a little surprised you haven't reviewed it yet given the specs: 8x2.5gbe POE+, 2x10gbe RJ45, 4x10gbe SFP+, fully managed, L3... $290 on Amazon... loud switch chip fan though.
I used the Xikestors connected to a Mikrotik 10g switch. Funny that it's cheaper to buy an entire switch with fibers and 10g sfp+'s and get bonus 2.5g ports ( The Xikestore 4 port + 2 SFP model ) than to buy a 10g fiber to copper media converter...
The Mikrotik CRS304-4XG-IN is a Cloud Router Switch, while it is running RouterOS and not SwitchOS it does have a high switching throughput. For me the CRS305-1G-4S+IN @ $149 which looks better and can run either RouterOS or Switch OS and comes with 4x SFP+ and 1x 1Gbit (PoE in / ETH/BOOT) Ports.
CRS are just managed switches using RouterOS so they can handle more complicated setups (for example MLAG) and some limited L3 hardware offloading. It's still not a true router because the CPU is weak
The TP-Link Omada Wi-Fi 7 WAP we use at home accepts a 10GbE PoE++ connection and can be powered entirely off that cable. It's one of the few affordable-ish Wi-Fi 7 access points currently available on the market, but it makes full use of the bandwidth when client devices all have Wi-Fi 6E/7 support themselves.
@@xplinux22 Right. An AP. Exactly one device that might actually need a 10G connection. How is this a better solution than a 10G switch and a single PoE injector(or TWO if you have a huge house)? The only other good use-cases for PoE are sensors, cameras, and other low-power
@@marcogenovesi8570 1. Don't always assume that. There is ONE specification that runs at 1/2.5/5/10G speeds. The other specification only runs at 1/10G speeds. And 99% of the implementations use the 1/10G version. 2. Even if it is the same price as a 2.5G version, that is just an example of a pricing problem for 2.5G. 3. None of the above matters, because the only device most users MIGHT actually need PoE on a 10G port for are AX Access Points, which are better served by a regular(cheaper) 10G switch and a single PoE injector.
Watching this video on a thru a 100Mbps switch. For most ordinary people 1Gbps will suffice. But for SMBs this product might find a liking if its reliable.
under 200 6-10g managed switch? I don't like the brand but it's worth looking at closer EDIT: I'd like to see more of the software running this. port mirroring available?
Hey, Patrick, long time no see! Ten gigabit ethernet has been around so long that by now, you would think it would be the standard. Or, at least 2.5Gbps, even though it is newer.
The challenge is that 10Gbase-T still uses a lot of power for signal processing. Once you swap to fiber, on a 2025 server 100GbE becomes the PCIe Gen5 x4 option or dual port at x8
@ServeTheHomeVideo I still believe there has to be a way to reduce the power needed. Although, with enterprises and data centers needing faster and faster networking speeds, 10Gbase-T probably isn't a priority for improvement.
the rack mount is just an example of why you shouldn't buy cheap aliexpress stuff...if they can't get that right, why on earth would i plug it in an keep it in my house. i'm a no fire kinda guy...pass.
I would love to see a cheap switch with at least 4x in SFP+ and 10GBase-T... I don't want to maintain two sets of switches and I refuse 10GBase-T transceivers after bad experiences.
I am in the Omada eco system (just like UniFi). Hope that Tp-link doesn't get banned for some nonsense political reasons. After all, Ubiquiti is also a Chinese company.
@@harrythehandyman Considering TP Link's recent response to security holes found in popular routers was "Too bad, buy new ones", they deserve whatever happens.
I'm not an electrical engineer, but if Hasivo are unwilling to pay for any of those pesky UL, CSA, CE electrical safety or FCC interference certifications that likely means their product isn't up to the task of attaining certification in the first place. People who use these switches and run 200W through the PoE kinda deserve whatever happens next. #DarwinThings
I would love to see someone put openwrt on one of these switches. There is a thread on their forum where people have done that with some switches that use those realtek chips
I wouldn't knowingly purchase anything that isn't CE marked. You have no idea what its EMC behaviour is for a start. And if they have paid attention to minor inconveniences such as safety? I think the rack ears are just ridiculous - that on its own is enough to make me run a mile. So I think I'll stick with Mikrotik.
CE is an autocertification, so it's just a paper where the manufacturer says "we comply to law specs". There is no third party testing or validation. EMC is most likely going to be fine since it's enclosed in a metal box with small holes Safety and reliability (and security) are a valid concern. These chinese switches are known for just resetting randomly or just dying after a few months
@ The whole CE certification process is complex. There are essential requirements which must be adhered to allow you to apply the CE mark and cover aspects such as EMC. You must affix a CE mark on a device to place it on the EU market. Standards such as EN55015 only really exist as benchmarks that a manufacturer can claim conformance to infer conformity to the essential requirements. If there is an issue with a CE marked product in the field they can claim due diligence so long as they can prove compliance to the standards they claim to. A manufacturer can self-certify, but when I was designing products that were mains powered and had a potential to cause RF interference, I did pre-conformance testing and had them tested in an accredited lab prior to placing on the market so that we could back up and prove conformity. If you end up in court you can back up your claim to affix the CE mark if you can prove conformance. But then you have lobbying and pressure from industry such as the manufacturers of powerline networking. By their very nature they cannot and do not comply with The EU EMC essential requirements and manufacturers bullshitted about compliance with the standards. I had products tested in accredited lab and blew a hole in it as they were 40db over limits. Neither Ofcom or the EU would take action against the manufacturers because they “Didn’t want to put up barriers to trade” despite a significant number of cases of wideband RF interference and concerns expressed by GCHQ, the CAA and other spectrum stakeholders. We didn’t get them banned in the EU but we did in Norway.
Whooah, seriously? The rack mounting kit doesn't make it compatible with 19" racks??? Yeh, that's a hard pass and a brand ban from me. I hate this sort of "buyer beware" behavior from Chinese manufacturers...
@TheArnoparno They must not want to get taken seriously then if they won't pay for certifications. That's basically step one for providing a guarantee to the public that your product won't burn the building to the ground.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Same. I bought it few weeks before you reviewed them last year. The hasivo team is very supportive with technical questions and always answer them.
Did somebody put the wrong rack ears on one of those? They don’t line up.
Yep...he switched them.
They are the same ears for different width chassis
Explained in the video. The ears are not good.
6:07
Well that explains it. So it has rack ears that won’t fit any actual rack.
Poor Patrick, he got so distracted by the fan noise he forget to tuck his mike cable in and I wouldn't have even noticed it if the Editor hadn't trolled him :D
Ha! I was running for a flight right after finishing filming that part.
The price??
The price (in Europe) is now (2 hours after the video was published) over 50% higher! $320 without and $366 with PoE.
classic
Is it for this model or the 8-ports? I checked just before hitting publish and the 8-port was $330 or so
Overall is a bad deal even at close to $200, check the Mikrotik CRS304-4XG-IN
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That's for the 6 port models, the 8 port models are $475 and $550
its 313,69 EUR (POE Version) for me rn ~325 usd with shipping
6 port, and not just SFP+ requiring Transceivers for RJ45! Hoping these things keep inching down in price.
My big hope is they keep pushing prices of other switches down
Inching down in price? I would have thought so a couple of months ago. Now, brace for tariffs.
Unless you plug old hardware that only has RJ45, better to go with DACs or fiber anyway, and it's cheaper, and more reliable, and doesn't heat up :p
Honestly, the price of this switch is still high for a non brand. I rather get the Mikrotik CRS304-4XG-IN, has 4x 10GbE RJ45 ports, that can also do 2.5G and 5G, with RouteOS for an MSRP of $199.
I agree with you. We did however show the power at 2.5G for example
@@ServeTheHomeVideoIf you are referring to the Hasivos in this video, I still appreciate the video, any review of this cheaper networking gear is always welcome.
Me personally, I've been struggling to find a switch that can do 2x 10GbE Rj45 ports and than a few 1GbE ports with some management options.
please check again, i made a discount
i'm just sticking with ubnt
Well, CE is a self-certification. Meaning you don't have to pay a certification body (like UL or FCC) for it.
But without it you can't import it into the EU as a consumer :(
I don't think that thing is safe
wrong you can buy whatever as a consumer and have it shipped as an item, the certifications are for wholesale importer companies that have to follow import regulations
I just worry about "Getting what you pay for" in-terms of perhaps the software on these switches has vulnerabilities that allows jumping between VLAN's or something, and also not knowing if we can trust that the packets aren't also being sent "elsewhere" we might not want. It might be fine but with more and more stuff being built in China and China becoming more and more hostile I don't know if I want to trust really cheap devices any more. Just a thought.
We have covered this in our big round-ups, but we stick all of these switches on a network to look for extra traffic. Of course, we cannot test for everything. If all data was sent elsewhere, it would be very easy to spot at the firewall.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo True I guess.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Sure, but that isn't the real threat.
The threat is a backdoor that allows an attacker to get a foothold.
I have the Ubiquiti UniFi Flex XG (10 Gbit).
It have 5 ports, but, one of the ports is a 1 Gbit uplink port so you can connect it to a router or another switch.
The 1 Gbit uplink port is also PoE port so the switch can be powered over the network.
The annoying part is that you can't manage the switch directly. You need the UniFi Network Application software installed on your PC.
And I would say it's semi-managed because there isn't much you can manage except updating the firmware on it and enable Jumbo frames.
Yes. It uses the same Marvell switch chip as the MikroTik CRS304. There was a Flex-XG sitting off camera, but I grabbed the MikroTik
Looks like 2025 will be the year of affordable 10gbaseT for homelabs
That is my hope
I would really like to see a multi-gig PoE+ switch from Mikrotik.
they released the 2.5 gbit switch some months ago and the board was obviously designed for POE so that one is coming soon
The released the 320 poe and failed us with even 2.5gbe. Mikrotik has no idea of what we want, or does not want to hit too cheap a price point. TP already came out with a decent option in the SG3218, but i never liked TP.
I just picked up the Mokerlink POE-2G08610GSM and am a little surprised you haven't reviewed it yet given the specs: 8x2.5gbe POE+, 2x10gbe RJ45, 4x10gbe SFP+, fully managed, L3... $290 on Amazon... loud switch chip fan though.
We might have that one in the test harness
looking forward to the review of that!
Love these little switches, ripped out all of my cat5 and ran fiber with a hub/spoke topology
I used the Xikestors connected to a Mikrotik 10g switch. Funny that it's cheaper to buy an entire switch with fibers and 10g sfp+'s and get bonus 2.5g ports ( The Xikestore 4 port + 2 SFP model ) than to buy a 10g fiber to copper media converter...
Yes. Fiber is great, but harder for PoE
Awesome!! ❤🎉 I think I'll go with the PoE+ for my HomeLab
The Mikrotik CRS304-4XG-IN is a Cloud Router Switch, while it is running RouterOS and not SwitchOS it does have a high switching throughput.
For me the CRS305-1G-4S+IN @ $149 which looks better and can run either RouterOS or Switch OS and comes with 4x SFP+ and 1x 1Gbit (PoE in / ETH/BOOT) Ports.
We have reviews of both
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yeah I just watched the other one, both look good.
CRS are just managed switches using RouterOS so they can handle more complicated setups (for example MLAG) and some limited L3 hardware offloading. It's still not a true router because the CPU is weak
Why do we need PoE on a 10G port?
APs maybe?
I can't think of any reason to power a "high speed" port from it's Ethernet.
only to have a 10G switch that does all, and not have to get a separate 2.5GbE POE on top of it i guess.
because it's a 5Gbit and 2.5Gbit port too, and the price for 2.5gbit switches is the same if not lower
The TP-Link Omada Wi-Fi 7 WAP we use at home accepts a 10GbE PoE++ connection and can be powered entirely off that cable. It's one of the few affordable-ish Wi-Fi 7 access points currently available on the market, but it makes full use of the bandwidth when client devices all have Wi-Fi 6E/7 support themselves.
@@xplinux22 Right. An AP.
Exactly one device that might actually need a 10G connection.
How is this a better solution than a 10G switch and a single PoE injector(or TWO if you have a huge house)?
The only other good use-cases for PoE are sensors, cameras, and other low-power
@@marcogenovesi8570
1. Don't always assume that. There is ONE specification that runs at 1/2.5/5/10G speeds. The other specification only runs at 1/10G speeds. And 99% of the implementations use the 1/10G version.
2. Even if it is the same price as a 2.5G version, that is just an example of a pricing problem for 2.5G.
3. None of the above matters, because the only device most users MIGHT actually need PoE on a 10G port for are AX Access Points, which are better served by a regular(cheaper) 10G switch and a single PoE injector.
When moving data over ssh be sure to disable the chacha20-poly1305 cipher as it bottlenecks the cpu @ 10g down to ~250MB/sec
Yeah SSH settings can be surprisingly important when it comes to high speeds
How can we be sure there is no e-Pooh sitting inside those?
p.s.
Thanks for the video!
How can you sure about ANY switch?
Unlike routers we cant diy our switches as they use ASIC
I have the 8 port 10gbe Poe version .. not worth trying to swap out the fans. Just makes more noise.
It surprises me how these companies do not focus on noise
Watching this video on a thru a 100Mbps switch. For most ordinary people 1Gbps will suffice. But for SMBs this product might find a liking if its reliable.
slow down a bit m8, its no rush for the rest i like your content a lot!
hasivo is coming up I am already using the 2.5Gbps with poe managed and not dissapointing yet.
I would be really interested in a 5GbE buyers guide. My home is wired up with Cat5E and the thicker Cat6 wires would not fit.
under 200 6-10g managed switch? I don't like the brand but it's worth looking at closer
EDIT: I'd like to see more of the software running this. port mirroring available?
We have a bit more on the STH main site and have shown more in-depth on the Hasivo management side already
Crud, i wouldve preferred this over what i just got
Hi! Thank you for your video! Does the switch have 802.1x? Thanks
NETGEAR ProSafe XS series 10Gbe *_used_* switches are getting pretty cheap also.
We have one that has been running for many years. Those just use older switch silicon, especially the really old ones
Try putting 180W of PoE load on it. Make sure you have a fire extinguisher nearby.
the psu looks beefy enough to handle that
Hey, Patrick, long time no see! Ten gigabit ethernet has been around so long that by now, you would think it would be the standard. Or, at least 2.5Gbps, even though it is newer.
The challenge is that 10Gbase-T still uses a lot of power for signal processing. Once you swap to fiber, on a 2025 server 100GbE becomes the PCIe Gen5 x4 option or dual port at x8
@ServeTheHomeVideo I still believe there has to be a way to reduce the power needed. Although, with enterprises and data centers needing faster and faster networking speeds, 10Gbase-T probably isn't a priority for improvement.
the rack mount is just an example of why you shouldn't buy cheap aliexpress stuff...if they can't get that right, why on earth would i plug it in an keep it in my house. i'm a no fire kinda guy...pass.
Hasivo？ Nice PoE switch，I've got one of these...
I would love to see a cheap switch with at least 4x in SFP+ and 10GBase-T... I don't want to maintain two sets of switches and I refuse 10GBase-T transceivers after bad experiences.
Thanks needed this but moar ports
Once TP Link get the ban in the US, eyes will be on these noname Chinese brands.
I am in the Omada eco system (just like UniFi). Hope that Tp-link doesn't get banned for some nonsense political reasons. After all, Ubiquiti is also a Chinese company.
@@harrythehandyman Ubiquity is an american company with HQ in NY
@@harrythehandyman Considering TP Link's recent response to security holes found in popular routers was "Too bad, buy new ones", they deserve whatever happens.
thank you
Glad to be of help!
Yeayyy hasivo is in news.
Really happy with their unmanaged 2.5g switches and using them since more than a year now. Hasivooo all the way. Yeayyyy
do you have seen any 10G PoE devices? Most APs have maximum 1G or 2.5G PoE.
TP Link Omada EAP 773 is one example that comes to mind.
@AJ.VIDEOS and you think wifi 7 has enough netto-throughput to saturate a 10G uplink?
10G is a lot, but over 2.5G for WiFi 7 APs is probably the use case.
Tp-link has one or a couple, but it needs 10G PoE+
@@AJ.VIDEOSThat one is PoE+
My "welcome deal" is far, far behind me.
I'm not an electrical engineer, but if Hasivo are unwilling to pay for any of those pesky UL, CSA, CE electrical safety or FCC interference certifications that likely means their product isn't up to the task of attaining certification in the first place. People who use these switches and run 200W through the PoE kinda deserve whatever happens next. #DarwinThings
Hard pass for me unfortunately
Totally do not think this is for everyone
Having seen too many hypothetical situations happen in real life I'm very pro-fiber.
Very, but for PoE copper is useful
for short runs and tight spaces copper is the only option. You can't bend fiber too much. But for anything going outside yeah 100% fiber
I would love to see someone put openwrt on one of these switches. There is a thread on their forum where people have done that with some switches that use those realtek chips
I wouldn't knowingly purchase anything that isn't CE marked. You have no idea what its EMC behaviour is for a start. And if they have paid attention to minor inconveniences such as safety?
I think the rack ears are just ridiculous - that on its own is enough to make me run a mile.
So I think I'll stick with Mikrotik.
CE is an autocertification, so it's just a paper where the manufacturer says "we comply to law specs". There is no third party testing or validation.
EMC is most likely going to be fine since it's enclosed in a metal box with small holes
Safety and reliability (and security) are a valid concern. These chinese switches are known for just resetting randomly or just dying after a few months
@ The whole CE certification process is complex. There are essential requirements which must be adhered to allow you to apply the CE mark and cover aspects such as EMC. You must affix a CE mark on a device to place it on the EU market.
Standards such as EN55015 only really exist as benchmarks that a manufacturer can claim conformance to infer conformity to the essential requirements. If there is an issue with a CE marked product in the field they can claim due diligence so long as they can prove compliance to the standards they claim to.
A manufacturer can self-certify, but when I was designing products that were mains powered and had a potential to cause RF interference, I did pre-conformance testing and had them tested in an accredited lab prior to placing on the market so that we could back up and prove conformity.
If you end up in court you can back up your claim to affix the CE mark if you can prove conformance.
But then you have lobbying and pressure from industry such as the manufacturers of powerline networking. By their very nature they cannot and do not comply with The EU EMC essential requirements and manufacturers bullshitted about compliance with the standards. I had products tested in accredited lab and blew a hole in it as they were 40db over limits. Neither Ofcom or the EU would take action against the manufacturers because they “Didn’t want to put up barriers to trade” despite a significant number of cases of wideband RF interference and concerns expressed by GCHQ, the CAA and other spectrum stakeholders. We didn’t get them banned in the EU but we did in Norway.
I bought the previous aliexpress 10gbe switch and it was pure junk. I am not wasting my money on this.
They look hella dodgy!
No, thanks! Even 10GBE switch with just 5 ports needs a QSFP28 25GBE uplink. Pass
Fair but you want SFP28 for 25GbE or QSFP28 for 100GbE
@@ServeTheHomeVideo You are correct. Sorry, typo.
Whooah, seriously? The rack mounting kit doesn't make it compatible with 19" racks??? Yeh, that's a hard pass and a brand ban from me. I hate this sort of "buyer beware" behavior from Chinese manufacturers...
Really not sure why anyone would want PoE on a 10g switch. Are there even any 10g devices that run on PoE?
WiFi 7 APs are pushing more bandwidth than older generations
@ good point…. Hadn’t thought about those…
Hasivo sounds like a throwaway knockoff brand name on Temu or Amazon that gets banned the day after the account gets created. 😐
hasivo has been around for a while now
We have Hasivo switches that have had well over a year of uptime at this point.
@TheArnoparno They must not want to get taken seriously then if they won't pay for certifications. That's basically step one for providing a guarantee to the public that your product won't burn the building to the ground.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Ah. 😐
@@ServeTheHomeVideo
Same. I bought it few weeks before you reviewed them last year.
The hasivo team is very supportive with technical questions and always answer them.
The build quality seems very... meh.
Totally fair. Feels Ok on the switch, but the rack ear thing is odd
Brocade beef has entered the chat...
This sounds like a scam... or a fire hazard.
Why? We have Hasivo switches running for over a year at this point. You are right, they do not get safety and regulatory certifications though.