Black mirror has a great episode in season 1 with the dude that rants on stage against the system and promptly gets hired and given a show by the system so he can provide catharsis to the masses.
@@jordanwhite8718 "I want you to get mad!" God I love that movie. So messed up how it all gets twisted as a "Yes yes little ones, go ahead and scream, let off steam, then come back to work for the same machine."
10:36 In BoJack Horseman Diane has depression and she has always avoided taking medication because she is afraid of gaining weight and also thinks she needs her suffering to be a creative writer. When she finally starts taking medication late into the story she gains weight. I adored how the story doesn't mock her for the weight gain. We see her struggle with clothes in a dressing room, but overall its treated as a necessary trade off she shouldn't think twice about and that anyone who actually loves her would agree is great.
Ugh. I feel like such a poser who say they love the show but don't put pieces like this quite together. But it really does speak to the quality of the show, I'm sure there are many things that I've missed and I'm okay with that.
www.getselfhelp.co.uk/ace.htm For a bit of info on how B.A.C.E. works all of these things affect your brain chemistry. Achievement stimulates dopamine, purposeful activity stimulates serotonin, connecting with other people stimulates oxytocin, exercise stimulates endorphins. All of these work together to fight depression.
This is one of the lefties that has read all the stuff lefties tell you to read. I think I heard Destiny disparaging the idea that to understand lefty standpoints you need to read a lot. This guy is an example of why it's sometimes worth it.
@@eoin8450 Trough left wing populist figures like Bernie and AOC it's just as easy if not easier to become a socialist. However if you are deep into the conversation like Destiny reading does become more needed. I don't think all socialist have to have read a bunch of shit to be "real" socialists, that's some elitism shit I hate. There are very strong emotional arguments and talking points for lefties too.
@@dontyoufuckinguwume8201 I dunno if you saw the full message or just the notification, but I said "*cishet lietuviams, which is why I'm never coming back" uwu.
Aaron McGruder, creator of The Boondocks, was heavily involved in the first three seasons. He was completely excluded from season 4 (because season 3 took some very strong shots at the heads of BET, which was owned by the same company that owned the network Boondocks was on) which was probably the main reason season 4 was terrible and not even the same show
I appreciate pieces like these from Destiny. During the Twitter arc, I was afraid he was just embracing a hardcore capitalist ideology & pure leftist hatred, but seeing him still stress the importance & validity of lefties and socialists that aren't "crazy" is a breath of fresh air. I was going to dive headfirst into making my own content this year but stopped to pause and make sure I wasn't becoming apart of that crazy circle jerking lefty community after following his Twitter arc and I'm glad I did now.
I would still encourage you to make content :) You may not get enough eyeballs on your stuff when you try broadcasting your ideas, but actually going through the process of research, videomaking and editing might give you a new appreciation of what content creators go through.
I have a close friend who says he doesn't like the simpsons.. There are so many simpsons bits that make me crack the fuck up when i even think about them. Their use in meme culture cracks me up too, because the joke constructions are still super solid. I do not get simpsons hate. I think you just weren't watching during the first 12 seasons.
And thus, the subversive nature of the ironic utterance 'Amazin' hyperrealizes itself as its own reference. No longer a remark of Jesse Lee Peterson or even anything 'amazin', it is simply said in its own ; for the social profit machine of youtube likes.
I’m glad destiny likes CCK Philosophy, I love his videos too. I hope Destiny starts to be open to more lefties who aren’t insane and ac to ally have good ideas.
Douglas Lain would be good too, the Democracy Now people are generally stupid and have a bad understanding of Marxism, which is rooted in the 20th century conception of socialism, which is the realisation of the proletariat, rather than the abolition of the proletariat
Um...you need to "unironically" tell your real true love (vaush) that you miss him and you "unironically" wish things could go back to the old days. Because sure. This new guy is great. But your true feelings can OBVIOUSLY not be be hidden. Some would say you share a bond that is...unironic?
@@Tavat As an over a decade long radical socialist activist, that would be so amazing to have someone like destiny go over theory. 90-95% of leftist "theory" is just unscientific dog shit. A huge part of that is because selling books is a very important part of how "professional" lefties have an income, but I wont deny the desilusions and narcissism that you can also find there. Weeding out the LARPing from the science, would be so much appreciated. After Vaushs Take on mathematics I am not confident that Vaush has the willingness to gain the capabilities to do that.
The Simpsons' nuclear family unit was never meant to be viewed as dysfunctional, it was meant to be viewed as flawed but ultimately good, as there was almost always a redemptive plot involving the main cast in every episode. The show may have been a critique of the problems in capitalism more widely but it definitely wasn't skeptical about the concept of the nuclear family as most problems were solved via their grudging unity.
But things do get popular enough to self perpetuate themselves. Destiny has seen the wire where they sell a drug shittier until it gets a bad reputation then rebrand. It's based on standard corporate practices where you introduce a high quality product and build a username and reputation then slowly find ways to make it cheaper, often if not virtually always decreasing it's quality. It's not even any kind of conspiracy theory it's the economic lifecycle of many goods. Game of thrones, for example. Most people do not experience all goods and choose the best, they rely on advertising, recommendations, etc. This is why the quality of a product is not as important as a libertarian would believe.
His reference to bands was a bit off as well. I guess there are plenty who release one good album and then drop off but that's not really analogous. The Simpsons did 6 excellent series and another 4 decent enough series before dropping off a cliff. They established themselves. There's 100's of rock bands that haven't put out a decent album in 20 years who sell out arenas across the world. Hell even one hit wonder bands will still have decent careers playing live shows. He's also being way too harsh on Rick and Morty Season two, plus the Pickle Rick episode was season three where I agree there is a big drop in quality.
Destiny was raised in a conservative household, so I kinda doubt he watched much Simpsons in the 90s. I'm curious if he's revisited any of the earlier seasons as an adult. It was really funny.
I disagree where Destiny is saying that a lot of media doesn't degrade in quality. When something reaches a certain level of popularity in which they KNOW there will be an audience because of past success, there's a unearned huge advantage the newer episodes will have JUST by association. The people already liked the previous content, and want more so they come in with a more favorable view of it, and familiarity as well. If the Simpsons stated out this bad back then, it would have never gained in popularity the way it has.
Your disagreement about his argument against the idea that in capitalism the consumer controls the market. I get what you are both saying but this argument depends on the example. Things like TV and music are bad examples tbh. I know the Simpsons is the bases of the argument but ultimately it's not that cut and dry in that market. A better example is nba 2K And the madden series. They hold a. Monopoly on thoes sports games and the quality of them has been in decline for over a decade but they don't lose money because they are the only source for these type of video games. You are more like me. I see Alot of problems with capitalism but I'm not on the socialism train. I think we can always use ideas that would make our system better.
Monopolies are literally the problem. Even Socialist states are bad while worker Co Ops are good. Simply because when states consolidate corporate power they basically become as inefficient and monopolistic as Google and other big companies.
The example you provided seems like a problem of IP law, not of capitalism. IP law is government interference in capitalism. You can debate its benefits and costs but it is inherently anti-capitalism (as it is the state interfering with free movement of capital).
@@roymarshall_ I'm not familiar with IP law. So I'm not going to argue that point but when I think of the issue I always come back to to bad aspects of capitalism. If you control the supply you don't have the compation that drives innovation and in most cases at best stays the same or gets worse. You mentioned government interference while I don't know about IP law. I'm curious if you mean when the government steps in and gives restrictions or blocks a merger between 2 large companies?
@@roymarshall_ capitalism doesn't mean state never interferes in business. Wtf. Thats a Political ideology. Capitalism is just a form of resource distribution with some basic tenets like Property rights and value creation from wealth. Soc Dems want capitalist economic systems for example with ample govt intervention and SOME types of property being outside the purview of capitalism.
@@iamdanyboy1 when it comes to worker Co-ops I'm not 100% sold on the idea I do like the idea that profits would be distributed equally and that works for bigger companies but mid to small companies it would hurt that type of structure because the don't have the same profit margins of bigger companies. There is more to it as well I just think a hybrid of both systems would maximize the well being of all involved. But I agree with monopolies being bad because it goes against the principle of capitalism.
Responding to the Description, this is why I like to watch Destiny and Vaush. I find that their viewpoints interlock in a educated way that will benefit us all. Their critiques of each other is really good.
One thing that a lot of people don’t realise is that Marx was in awe of capitalism, he thought it was the most efficient system ever created. He didn’t critique it because he thought it was the worst conceivable system to live under, he even recognised that it could vastly improve the lives of people in society. He just thought that it had internal contradictions that would eventually cause it to collapse. Marx’s goal, like all modernists who believed in the idea of “Progress”, was to find and reveal the “truth” about the world/society in order to bring about some sort of utopia. And being that he (as an economic determinist) gave primacy to the economic base of a society he was trying to reveal the “truth” about capitalist society to the masses, as capitalism was the dominant economic system at the time. A truth which he believed would eventually lead to a revolution and a communist utopia. Like most modernist ideas, and I’m going to sound like a postmodernist now, his truth wasn’t so much truth as it was a narrative, he had evidence but it was still a narrative with blind spots (he didn’t expect the capitalist system to be as flexible as it has been e.g. being flexible enough to implement social programmes). Nevertheless, Marx was actually brilliant (way more brilliant than the average lefty who probably doesn’t even understand his perspective), and his critique was and still is useful to an extent.
Nice to see someone that has a grasp on Marx unlike the masses in America that think they do because the media tells them everything socialist/communistic is just evil without knowing the first thing about marx’s critique I suggest Marx did consider social programs My understanding is these social programs the world moving into socialism which is what he predicted. They are socialistic programs and the beginning of the move to socialism. Also, Marx shows we will utilize socialistic programs but ultimately the contradictions in capitalism still remain and will continue to push the destruction of that system
Just to be clear Marx obviously didn't like capitalism, he was a communist actively advocating against it. Since he wasn't a dumbfuck he still realized that capitalism was a little better than the systems that came before and that (really important!) we need to maintain it as an enemy in order to progress towards a better world. Lots of people don't seem to understand that, especially those smoothbrains who thought paving the way for fascism could radicalize people to the left.
@@AnimeFan9833 Thats why I said that he was in awe of capitalism but he believed that it had internal contradictions that when revealed would make the system untenable. However, he didn’t think it was just a little better than feudalism, he thought it was much better but just not good enough.
I'll be honest, I never read any Marx, but I saw on TV that he referred to social programs introduced in England as "the work of devoted reactionaries" tailored to bait the working class into supporting thr status quo?
@@DieNibelungenliad I feel like it ended at the right time. 6 seasons is a good run for any show honestly. After that writers can get burnt out and rotation happens, quality shifts etc
@@ryangoepfert9112 Fine. That is my opinion. I am uncomfortable judging art, as I believe it is to be subjective. For example: I like old Blues music. The older the better. Swamp blues from the 1920’s recorded using cigar box guitars. Most people hate it. I don’t. Who cares.
steven has helped me focus on building my beliefs seperate from people like hasan and vaush, and infact pushed me toward a more hardline commie stance against those two. I disagree with a fair chunk of what he says, but im thankful his sensibility helped me understand how shitty and grifty those types are.
2 years late but wanted to say im also trying to make sense of my beliefs and am proud of you for doing the same. Seems we may be on different sides of the isle but I hope people like us will get together an talk regardless. Stay strong out there 💪 keep it up
@@Dom-qm8fg thanks man, kinda got hit with some sad nostalgia seeing this comment. Stevens been pretty unstable lately. He’s been drifting to a pretty dark place since these older vids, and ended up turning into the inverse of what I liked him for. In the old days, while he could be petty, he was more often simply calm and disagreed with people based on the view that they were irrational, and even then, he just tried to be the serious one. That famous clip of Hasan going “he’s a fucking liar dude” is the perfect example of this. Hasan raging over something destiny’s calmly said because he disagreed with it. In recent years it’s kinda the opposite. Unless destiny is talking about the most mild shit imaginable, or something he explicitly agrees with, he gets vicious. The whole reason he got banned on shit was because he was kinda rude as shit, a lot of the time, for no reason. I.e. the trans shit didn’t need to happen at all, he just let Twitter users make him go nutts. On the flip side even a dude like Hasan is pretty chill now. Which is wild when destiny’s still hates him with a LOT of vitriol at times. This is all to say, this kinda content was a keystone in my political maturing, but as time has gone on I kinda realise these are all just people, as flawed as the rest of us, and it’s silly to ground my ideation in their content anymore. I try doing my own thing and actually interacting directly with someone in a way that isn’t just for my entertainment. Thanks for the comment dude, and I wish you all the best on your similar but diverging political journey.
@@springroll4421 Thank you for such a thoughtful response. I wish you the best as-well. People like you give me hope when the future i see looks bleak so thank you for that. Have a good one, its getting tough out there. Keep at it. We need people like you.
A rick and Morty hater eh? It's OK. You have to have a pretty low IQ to not see the flaws in the show, and call it the smartest show on TV.... See what Eye did there?
"VR headsets until they die" is a plot point in Wall-E. There's a nice chunk about it in Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism. A short and good read, if you can peel yourself away from youtube ;)
@@crossthekxng943 The ending's pretty hopeful: "The long, dark night of the end of history has to be grasped as an enormous opportunity. The very oppressive pervasiveness of capitalist realism means that even glimmers of alternative political and economic possibilities can have a disproportionately great effect. The tiniest event can tear a hole in the grey curtain of reaction which has marked the horizons of possibility under capitalist realism. From a situation in which nothing can happen, suddenly anything is possible again."
A quick tip to the editor, the editing is really good, but it would enhance it all greatly if destinys thumbnails had something recognizable in it, like the blue colored text of a light blue frame like the color of the logo, it would make it more recognizable between others. Still great job tho.
I’m still undecided on capitalism / socialism as I haven’t read enough or heard compelling arguments either way so it would be AMAZIN’ to watch a real debate on the subject that doesn’t deteriorate into bad faith arguments and name calling
I haven't seen any, honestly. I honestly suggest you turn to audiobooks - Communist Manifesto, Myths about Capitalism and Free to Choose/The Road to Serfdom.
That's a bit vague, what exactly do you want to hear discussed? Because both ideologies have practical value you can't just make a list of pro/cons for both and decide that one is better than the other and the other needs to be abolished entirely. A good discussion needs to home in on a specific topic and determine how either ideology can contribute to the end goal.
Thank you for linking the creator in the description CREATIVE COMMONS IS SO BASED and Copyright Law absolutely sucks and just leads to people making knock offs and rip offs
Holy shit, Destiny is actually bypassing his blind lefty hatred and responding to and even conceding to some cogent leftist arguments. The world really is coming to an end. I wonder if a debate with Richard Wolff might be possible. EDIT: Did he literally just argue for the ""you criticize capitalism yet you participate in it"" meme becuase of "just lazy" TH-camrs with fucking Patreon? Spoke too soon lmao, the last 10 minutes is almost a total shitshow I'm afraid.
not really blind cause every time he looked up what the leftist have said ..they were most of the time lying/bending the facts/don't understand what their reading/hearing/seeing actually meant ... if this happens a number of times anyone would be skeptical of Leftist ONLINE COMMENTATORS
@@resshantanmorgan7107 I don't disagree with that, a lot of the terminally online left can be like that. Destiny's logic has also often been overrun by his rage though, causing him to be extremely uncharitable at times.
Destiny's continuum argument against the Bors comic still doesn't address that the critique is valid. No matter how much money you make, the argument still holds true.
I think the point is that after reaching a certain economic threshold, one doesn't need to to be subsumed by the system. Did Hasan Abi, who makes millions of dollars a year, really need to make that advertisement? As a multimillionaire did he need to avoid paying someone who was regularly editing his TH-cam channel (as he lead him on about a future job)? No he didn't. You use "but capitalism" to defend yourself being an asshole.
This guy's analysis is thoughtful and on point. Some of his facts are wrong, the most glaring one being that all of the writers of the Simpsons and Matt Groening himself had jumped ship by Season 10 and it's been effectively a fan fiction ever since. I think that contributed more to it's sharp fall in quality than it being a hit show.
@@TheTinyTimmyTimTim Yeah, he's still credited as the showrunner, but he hasn't been actively involved since around 1999 when Futurama came out. He got bored.
Speaking to Destiny's point about serialized narratives, imagine how much better the Simpsons would be if every subsequent season after the 9th was treated as a physical year within their universe. Bart, Lisa, and even Maggie would be full-fledged adults by now; a perfect foundation to incorporate modern political subjects within the show.
Video games were the same back in the day as they are now. I can remember about 10 Doom-clones that I played myself back in the late 90's on my cousins computer. Also, he used Netscape to connect to the internet instead of IE and I just remembered that was a thing. Needed a disc. Wild.
@@destiny I just want to say, and I mean this genuinely, thank-you for your videos. I found your debate videos literally three days ago when I was the most ill I’ve ever been in my entire life. Barely being able to speak. Barely being able to breathe... And your debates have really helped take my mind off it all completely. In fact listening to you... I feel like I have learnt more about neutral moralism, capitalism and much more. So, here is a very sincere thank-you from me. Not out of wanting self pity. But out of a genuine amazement at a man who knows how to argue his points with logic, and never back down to bullies. I wish you all the success in the world! Take care, brother!
To the editor of this channel - are you in charge of everything? It seems like you do everything on this channel except the livestreams, which I guess makes sense.
I know Destiny was kinda meming when he said this, but I honestly think a mandatory weekly community service event would go a long way toward fixing most issues in society indirectly. Like the video has said, we've been isolating ourselves from our communities through the nuclear family, entertainment, the internet, etc, which is unhealthy for humans because we are social animal and thrive in group environments. Thus having people forced to socialize with others would not only address the rise of asocial behaviors, but also get people to care about local politics in their community because they will have formed social bonds with the people in their community, so they would be incentivized to participate in the political system. Now this doesn't mean it would be like the end of a Disney movie where everyone is singing and dancing, but getting people to step out of their isolated bubbles and become exposed to different types of people is the first step in getting people to care about what goes on in their community, which is the only way for a democracy to work. At the end of the day, we want to incentivize people to engage in the political system, and the best way to do that is through making people care about the outcomes of their community through their social bonds.
Honestly ive come to like Biden, hes way more stern than I expected him to be and doesn't really seem to take the Republicans bullshit the same way Obama did a lot or that I feared
This is only because the tone of Republican rhetoric has shifted considerably over the past 4 years. They have gone mask off while trying to hold on to support of Trump's cult of voters, and this has left them vulnerable to attacks for being anti-democratic (which they are). Biden is a savvy politician, he has to be to have stayed relevant for so long, so he knows how to tell which way the wind is blowing. Basically, imo we're lucky that we've got a strong (hopefully bi-partisan) pushback against Trumpism going on in America, otherwise we would've had a very different style of Biden. Also, he hasn't actually gotten into office yet, so lets hope his tough talk translates into actually helping push through bold legislation while Dems have the power to.
You know Steven I have to say, I'm a democratic confederalist. Someone is would be hardcore leftist or socialist I reckon. This though I really appreciated since a lot of leftist stuff is hard to condense and videos like this are crucial to get people into leftism and was really good at simplifying the language. I will say though, if capitalism has had to concede on issues and allow the generation of interpassivity I hope with time, the urge of art to not be bound by money and the very social, creative nature of art will eventually destroy capitalism. Naive maybe but gotta have hope I reckon. End of the day I think that you did a amazing job in that you have provided a real pipe towards a more based leftist. Either way, hoping things keep getting better for all of us. I'm just hoping Biden will pressure Scott Morrison here to actually do shit because if anything Australian conservativism I feel has done the world more damage than people realise. Anyway hope you do more of these videos because they are top tier shit ❤👍
I’m a lefty but I agree with Destiny’s take at the end. I hate it when Hasan takes deals with all of these companies and just acts like another huge streamer. He doesn’t promote more ethical ways of living, he doesn’t sacrifice even a little bit of his career to support a terrible company like Amazon less. It’s a little bit jarring sometimes how he can rant about capitalism’s ills then talk about engaging in capitalism’s worst excesses.
Agreed. The “participate in society” meme only really makes sense if you’re an average person, and not a millionaire streamer who never has to work a day for the rest of their lives. At least put a little bit of effort
@@ryangoepfert9112 i dunno, at least use that money to support lefty causes instead of just hoarding it like most of them do. it isn't hard to think what you could do with that much money at the very least vaush talks about starting a PAC, no idea what hasan thinks he's doing besides just spouting lefty slogans on twitch
@@gianni50725 Hasan might be a millionaire but there is far more that matters more than throwing money at things (an unironic capitalist solution no less) and asking for empty mostly pointless gestures is worse than nothing
@@ryangoepfert9112 Oh okay, so then basically him gathering all that money is 100% self interest and he has no intention of trying to give power to leftists, gotcha. Forgot that raising funds for leftist institutions is a "capitalist solution"; I guess the fundraisers for the Kurds in Syria are capitalist and bad and useless What kind of defense is this lmao
I'm pretty sure the nuclear family existed before WW2. The term is from the 20th century, but not the actual arrangement. During the Renaissance, people in northwestern Europe lived in nuclear families.
I think the first time many people in the United States really began hating the national government was during the lead up to the American Civil War. So many Americans thought it was moral to own other humans as private property and that it was up to the owner to free them rather than the government. The New Deal, War on Poverty, and Civil Rights act were also examples of the national gov helping people at the expense of the rich who often owned media companies and prosperity gospel like churches
@AuspiciousToad I am not a marxist but a Kpop fan. And I honestly think his content is grade A. His video on kpop was eye opening and everyone should watch it. So I am not sure if you can just assert it is for the stupid. Especially since you are literally a faceless nobody lmao. But okay seriously his content is good. I also like destiny too. For me, content is content. I aint gonna crap on a youtuber or audience just because, there is literally no value in that
What you were talking about in the end is what postmodernists refer to as immanent critique “a critique which derives the standards it employs from the object criticized, that is, the society”. It’s hard/nearly impossible to properly critique a system you operate in because you are part of it and implicitly act according to its rules/norms/values.
i don't think that they touched on one of the points enough, the reason why the characters in the Simpsons become self parodies rather than parodies of broader culture is because they become more familiar, if you have never seen the show before and you watch the first season, you don't know who homer is so you relate him to what you know, your father, the idealized father, fathers from other family sitcoms, etc, but now when someone sees homer he's so ingrained in their brains as a cultural icon that they no longer see him as referencing other things, at least not as much, this also applies to the writers view of the characters, perhaps even more so.
I wish Destiny acted like this towards leftists more often. There are plenty of great leftists out there, he shouldn't act like everyone is as dumb as BJG or NonCompete. The existence of Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball, and Kulinski doesn't invalidate other libs like Sam Seder.
I wonder if Destiny ever watched an episode of the Simpsons from the 90's. maybe they're dated. but they were ground breaking and hilarious at the time.
I don't understand your counter argument to the 'participate in it comic'. A person who earns 30k a year has no chance of doing anything about the current system, or even spreading the message. If Hasan actually believes the shit he says, it stands to reason he that he accumulates as much capital and influence as he can and spend it to further his cause. It's either that or advocating for violence to change the system, which he is opposed to. Of course it remains to be seen if he puts his money where his mouth is, but faulting him for maximizing his influence is dumb.
@@VladMaggot21 I believe the "can't pay his editors" meme was debunked by one of Hasan's editors a few months ago on Destiny's Reddit, but frankly there's so much hearsay spread between the two communities that muddies the water
I take some issue with Destiny's take on video games. I think what he means is even the triple a studios took bigger risks in the early days of gaming. But now we just see those risks and bigger ones taken by smaller studios and indie developers. Thats how you get games like Outer Wilds and Return of the Obra Din. I think the increased audience of games has created a bigger and more diverse option for gaming than basically ever before. The problem for me specifically is the type of games I personally enjoy(rpgs and fps) are the ones that have become the most sterilized and homogeneous in the big budget gaming circle.
This is why I love Star Trek and Babylon 5. I'm not saying you need to be some genius to appreciate the nuances, but I do enjoy the fact, that as shows, they make you think.
Destiny wonders whether objects in capitalism persist out of inertia beyond the original high quality that made them relevant, then proceeds to give multiple examples (like Rick & Morty) of this actually happening.
I think he means very early seasons. After Season 9, I just gave up. And I am a Millennial and I didn’t even grow up with this show I say it is aged closer to wine rather then milk on this platform.
Yeah, really bad take. I'd say seasons 1 and 2 maybe didn't age so well in terms of comedy, but from that point on it was genuinely really funny all the way through to maybe season 11. It's trendy to hate on season 9 but it was still very solid too.
Destiny objects to the notion that capitalist companies make worse products over time (~20:00). But I think it's obvious that often they do. Levi's jeans, Toyota's cars, Activision's videogames. Brands and brand loyalty make it possible to cut costs without immediately losing your customer-base and when a company's growth slows or stops they almost always start looking for ways to do this. I don't think it's all bad -- brands are also a powerful incentive to compete and offer a high quality product at near-cost or even at a loss in the hope of future profits, this is basically what sustains the VC-backed ecosystem. But I think it is a valid critique to say that brands allow companies to make worse products than competitors and stay market leaders. And especially when combined with other ways that companies can erect barriers to entry for competitors such as regulatory capture it can lead to very dysfunctional markets.
Things that remind me of this the most besides the Ford Pinto are the cases for right for repair in the case of apple and John Deere. Where you have to go to the manufacturer to pay crazy costs to fix something that could have been cut in half or a quarter of the cost if you went to a third party.
@@ska187 If a product is broken within 2 years, the manufacturer has to repair the item for free in Europe. Do you really not have a right to free repair in the US?
@@alexd4566 Its a state by state thing after researching it for a bit and its even further broken down by industry so like motor vehicles versus electronics. As far as i know, right to repair is not a thing in the US federally.
Bojack does this super well. Probably the best written show of all time. I have watched it more than 4 times. The characters action have long term consequences. The characters actually have a brain and can remember stuff lol. They realize when a character hasn’t been around for awhile and actually give backstory to what they were doing. Fantastic show
Art doesn't have to have a meaning. It doesn't have to say anything. It can be just the surface level. Zdzisław Beksiński one of the best artist despised people adding unnecessary meaning to his work.
It's refreshing to hear someone on TH-cam that 'gets it'; that gets the need for critique. This same method of critique happens all the time in universities. That's what they're great for. Trouble is, as Destiny rightly points out, this critique is misconstrued as refutation and some nefarious plot to overthrow western civilisation. People have a fundamental lack of understanding of the nuances of critique. Marx was offering a critique of capitalism, but what a lot of people don't know, he had a lot of praise for capitalism too. Who'd have thought, eh?
Thing is, a lot of people that make these critiques really *do* want to overthrow Western civilization. That's why they lie and twist the truth if it's in their favor, constantly demonize anyone who disagrees with them, and go out of their way to destroy people's livelihoods for even the smallest infraction. People who criticize in good faith don't do that.
@@Lewa500 Some, yeah. I don't doubt there are people that want to overthrow western civilisation. I'd say they were pretty fringe, though. I'd say the general thrust of most critique is to understand. People have an urge to understand the world around them and that involves critiquing the systems which we live in. The trouble is, other people will take that critique, miss understand, and use it to allign their worldview. Those people exist in all parts of society, including academia, they're called idiots.
@@firghteningtruth7173 I'll assume you're not being ironic. Sorry if you are! We have a 'safe space' in the institution I study at. It's pretty simple, though. Classrooms are labelled a 'safe space' because there is a duty from the tutors that the content of discussions are 'safe' from being taken outside the classroom. That is literally the only 'safe space' I've heard of. I can't vouch for other institutions, there may well be 'safe spaces' that 'entitled' snivelling little 'snowflakes' got to to feel safe. Not seen them myself, though!
I don't necessarily agree with 49:01 - I think a lot of Dems voted not for the candidate they liked, but for who they thought would beat Trump. Though obviously some people do genuinely like Biden, I think it makes sense why there's an impression that no one likes either candidate. (Although ultimately I have no data, so if the numbers disagree that's fair)
@@wytsevenema2418 Sorry I should have clarified. The fact that Destiny has never found the Simpsons funny is his worst take. I agree that it’s gone to shit
This is why i respect destiny so much. He might have very shit takes sometimes and super toxic to socialists. But he is still willing to listen to socialists after all the shit theyve been pulling against him and even admit they can make great criticism of his ideas.
Hmm. I'm kinda not ok with videos like these where the additional content Destiny provides is bare minimal. I mean I guess it's ok since the dude is promoted by destiny, but to be honest if the dude decided to copystrike this video, it would be well within his rights.
Eye do wish outside the description, the specific video was pinned in a comment so people could watch it and not only properly give the video support, but also people to see for themselves.
The Communist Party's not gonna see a nickel of this goddamn show until we go into syndication! I haven’t seen it but it’s from a movie called “Network”
Would you let Destiny buy you something from your Amazon wish list???
Do you edit and upload your own stuff, it's odd to see creators talk in the third person.
@@Swagkitten1234 I'm not destiny, I'm his editor.
@@destiny thanks for the reply!
@@destiny we are all destiny here
No Amazon in my country Sadge
I'm only early because this came up right in my feeeeed.
*Some*one hitthebell
FEEED MEEE
@@darz6012 scary. but accurate
IM PICKLE RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK
Right in my feeeeeed
Black mirror has a great episode in season 1 with the dude that rants on stage against the system and promptly gets hired and given a show by the system so he can provide catharsis to the masses.
I would argue that network did that before black mirror but otherwise yup
@@jordanwhite8718 probably but I'm not that old,I do know the rant from the movie from the zeitgeist documentary.
@@jordanwhite8718 "I want you to get mad!" God I love that movie. So messed up how it all gets twisted as a "Yes yes little ones, go ahead and scream, let off steam, then come back to work for the same machine."
Yeah the minute Black Mirror went from Channel 4 to Netflix it went to shit due to the huge number of commissioned episodes. Series 1 and 2 are great.
@@valipunctro Network is a goddamn masterpiece. Truly amazing film. Watch it.
10:36 In BoJack Horseman Diane has depression and she has always avoided taking medication because she is afraid of gaining weight and also thinks she needs her suffering to be a creative writer. When she finally starts taking medication late into the story she gains weight. I adored how the story doesn't mock her for the weight gain. We see her struggle with clothes in a dressing room, but overall its treated as a necessary trade off she shouldn't think twice about and that anyone who actually loves her would agree is great.
Ugh. I feel like such a poser who say they love the show but don't put pieces like this quite together. But it really does speak to the quality of the show, I'm sure there are many things that I've missed and I'm okay with that.
Please make more content
Wild seeing you here. You make great content and you're funny as hell, keep it up!
www.getselfhelp.co.uk/ace.htm For a bit of info on how B.A.C.E. works all of these things affect your brain chemistry. Achievement stimulates dopamine, purposeful activity stimulates serotonin, connecting with other people stimulates oxytocin, exercise stimulates endorphins. All of these work together to fight depression.
Totally true. BoJack also has numerous other forms of permanence. So many other things come back up, like the rock opera. Amazing show
I am here early, Destiny is a girls name. That is all.
Sadly, Destiny is also a Groomer's name.
Beta
Amazing~
Destiny is also a girl stripper's name.
@@skeltor1446 ok groomer
This is one of the lefties that has read all the stuff lefties tell you to read. I think I heard Destiny disparaging the idea that to understand lefty standpoints you need to read a lot. This guy is an example of why it's sometimes worth it.
Hakim!
At the very least he read the Simpsons wikipedia article
Sadly this amount of reading you need to do makes it harder for people to become socialists, it's much easier to become a nazi or an ancap
@@eoin8450 Trough left wing populist figures like Bernie and AOC it's just as easy if not easier to become a socialist. However if you are deep into the conversation like Destiny reading does become more needed. I don't think all socialist have to have read a bunch of shit to be "real" socialists, that's some elitism shit I hate. There are very strong emotional arguments and talking points for lefties too.
@@hv7920 NICE
>be Destiny viewer
>be Lithuanian
>hate your homeland
>the only leftie Destiny can handle is Lithuanian
>strange ethno pride
>wtf am hilter now
Most Lithuanian students in the Netherlands I know are super chilled.
Thank you for fueling my gambling addiction in growtopia
Lietuva Lietuviams :^)
@Project Exchno based
@@dontyoufuckinguwume8201 I dunno if you saw the full message or just the notification, but I said "*cishet lietuviams, which is why I'm never coming back" uwu.
You a real one for that comparison of the boondocks season 4. That shit was terrible. It was like they had no idea what people liked about the show.
Wasnt the comics writer heavily involved in making the show atleast in the beginning?
Aaron McGruder, creator of The Boondocks, was heavily involved in the first three seasons. He was completely excluded from season 4 (because season 3 took some very strong shots at the heads of BET, which was owned by the same company that owned the network Boondocks was on) which was probably the main reason season 4 was terrible and not even the same show
I appreciate pieces like these from Destiny. During the Twitter arc, I was afraid he was just embracing a hardcore capitalist ideology & pure leftist hatred, but seeing him still stress the importance & validity of lefties and socialists that aren't "crazy" is a breath of fresh air. I was going to dive headfirst into making my own content this year but stopped to pause and make sure I wasn't becoming apart of that crazy circle jerking lefty community after following his Twitter arc and I'm glad I did now.
I would still encourage you to make content :) You may not get enough eyeballs on your stuff when you try broadcasting your ideas, but actually going through the process of research, videomaking and editing might give you a new appreciation of what content creators go through.
Will you still make content?
@@crocodilepoet No. I just don't have the personality for it and also have nothing of value to add tbh.
yeah I’ll never understand what destiny gets up to in minecraft
Nodded mc is a bit of a learning curve if u have never done it but it's very rewarding
Lmao
@@MegaLauge sav tech ages
Destiny hasn't found the Simpsons funny. Actual sociopath.
I have a close friend who says he doesn't like the simpsons.. There are so many simpsons bits that make me crack the fuck up when i even think about them. Their use in meme culture cracks me up too, because the joke constructions are still super solid. I do not get simpsons hate. I think you just weren't watching during the first 12 seasons.
AMAZIN
And thus, the subversive nature of the ironic utterance 'Amazin' hyperrealizes itself as its own reference. No longer a remark of Jesse Lee Peterson or even anything 'amazin', it is simply said in its own ; for the social profit machine of youtube likes.
I can't believe Destiny won't challenge Sargon's tanky alter ego Sargon of Assad
SMDH
You mean Hardon for Assad?
@@SuperLotus nice
I’m glad destiny likes CCK Philosophy, I love his videos too. I hope Destiny starts to be open to more lefties who aren’t insane and ac to ally have good ideas.
I really want him to speak to David Harvey some time soon. David is really good and knows his shit when it comes to capitalism.
Douglas Lain would be good too, the Democracy Now people are generally stupid and have a bad understanding of Marxism, which is rooted in the 20th century conception of socialism, which is the realisation of the proletariat, rather than the abolition of the proletariat
@@HahaDamn Destiny has already had a debate with Doug
@@M0stlyHarmless9 on what
@@HahaDamn th-cam.com/video/dWkwEaUHelo/w-d-xo.html
Um...you need to "unironically" tell your real true love (vaush) that you miss him and you "unironically" wish things could go back to the old days.
Because sure. This new guy is great.
But your true feelings can OBVIOUSLY not be be hidden.
Some would say you share a bond that is...unironic?
Imagine Destiny and Vaush both actually getting into theory at the same time 😆
@@Tavat As an over a decade long radical socialist activist, that would be so amazing to have someone like destiny go over theory. 90-95% of leftist "theory" is just unscientific dog shit. A huge part of that is because selling books is a very important part of how "professional" lefties have an income, but I wont deny the desilusions and narcissism that you can also find there.
Weeding out the LARPing from the science, would be so much appreciated.
After Vaushs Take on mathematics I am not confident that Vaush has the willingness to gain the capabilities to do that.
It's Always Sunny is actually surprisingly good with the consistency thing.
The Simpsons' nuclear family unit was never meant to be viewed as dysfunctional, it was meant to be viewed as flawed but ultimately good, as there was almost always a redemptive plot involving the main cast in every episode. The show may have been a critique of the problems in capitalism more widely but it definitely wasn't skeptical about the concept of the nuclear family as most problems were solved via their grudging unity.
But things do get popular enough to self perpetuate themselves. Destiny has seen the wire where they sell a drug shittier until it gets a bad reputation then rebrand. It's based on standard corporate practices where you introduce a high quality product and build a username and reputation then slowly find ways to make it cheaper, often if not virtually always decreasing it's quality. It's not even any kind of conspiracy theory it's the economic lifecycle of many goods. Game of thrones, for example. Most people do not experience all goods and choose the best, they rely on advertising, recommendations, etc. This is why the quality of a product is not as important as a libertarian would believe.
His reference to bands was a bit off as well. I guess there are plenty who release one good album and then drop off but that's not really analogous. The Simpsons did 6 excellent series and another 4 decent enough series before dropping off a cliff. They established themselves. There's 100's of rock bands that haven't put out a decent album in 20 years who sell out arenas across the world. Hell even one hit wonder bands will still have decent careers playing live shows. He's also being way too harsh on Rick and Morty Season two, plus the Pickle Rick episode was season three where I agree there is a big drop in quality.
Destiny was raised in a conservative household, so I kinda doubt he watched much Simpsons in the 90s. I'm curious if he's revisited any of the earlier seasons as an adult. It was really funny.
Seriously. Zombie Simpsons is painfully unfunny, but the classic seasons always were and still are hilarious
I have no idea wtf he's doing in minecraft whenever he's playing
I thought i was the only one lolll
Dude, why are you watching? Open vid, minimise and play your own minecraft as you listen smh
@@adrianchriste6 I saw quantum compressor and was like wut
@@excho I have it on while I do things but sometimes I'm look at what's going on lol
I'll tell you a secret mate... nobody does
I disagree where Destiny is saying that a lot of media doesn't degrade in quality. When something reaches a certain level of popularity in which they KNOW there will be an audience because of past success, there's a unearned huge advantage the newer episodes will have JUST by association. The people already liked the previous content, and want more so they come in with a more favorable view of it, and familiarity as well. If the Simpsons stated out this bad back then, it would have never gained in popularity the way it has.
Encouraging content like this is exactly what I want to see in online political discourse
Your disagreement about his argument against the idea that in capitalism the consumer controls the market. I get what you are both saying but this argument depends on the example. Things like TV and music are bad examples tbh. I know the Simpsons is the bases of the argument but ultimately it's not that cut and dry in that market. A better example is nba 2K And the madden series. They hold a. Monopoly on thoes sports games and the quality of them has been in decline for over a decade but they don't lose money because they are the only source for these type of video games.
You are more like me. I see Alot of problems with capitalism but I'm not on the socialism train. I think we can always use ideas that would make our system better.
Monopolies are literally the problem. Even Socialist states are bad while worker Co Ops are good. Simply because when states consolidate corporate power they basically become as inefficient and monopolistic as Google and other big companies.
The example you provided seems like a problem of IP law, not of capitalism. IP law is government interference in capitalism. You can debate its benefits and costs but it is inherently anti-capitalism (as it is the state interfering with free movement of capital).
@@roymarshall_ I'm not familiar with IP law. So I'm not going to argue that point but when I think of the issue I always come back to to bad aspects of capitalism. If you control the supply you don't have the compation that drives innovation and in most cases at best stays the same or gets worse.
You mentioned government interference while I don't know about IP law. I'm curious if you mean when the government steps in and gives restrictions or blocks a merger between 2 large companies?
@@roymarshall_ capitalism doesn't mean state never interferes in business. Wtf. Thats a Political ideology. Capitalism is just a form of resource distribution with some basic tenets like Property rights and value creation from wealth.
Soc Dems want capitalist economic systems for example with ample govt intervention and SOME types of property being outside the purview of capitalism.
@@iamdanyboy1 when it comes to worker Co-ops I'm not 100% sold on the idea I do like the idea that profits would be distributed equally and that works for bigger companies but mid to small companies it would hurt that type of structure because the don't have the same profit margins of bigger companies. There is more to it as well I just think a hybrid of both systems would maximize the well being of all involved.
But I agree with monopolies being bad because it goes against the principle of capitalism.
"The Problem is that..."
"For Instance..."
"ooo just really quickly"
"be like hey......."
"....but I dunno"
Haha my friend consistently says “but at the same time” whether it calls for it or not. Always funny to see what our fall back sentences are
"So real quick real quick real quick..."
"I'm super curious.."
Responding to the Description, this is why I like to watch Destiny and Vaush. I find that their viewpoints interlock in a educated way that will benefit us all. Their critiques of each other is really good.
they are both clowns
@@ultimateblaze23 TRUUU
oooooooh so THATS why my mom hated the simpson’s
Same
One thing that a lot of people don’t realise is that Marx was in awe of capitalism, he thought it was the most efficient system ever created. He didn’t critique it because he thought it was the worst conceivable system to live under, he even recognised that it could vastly improve the lives of people in society. He just thought that it had internal contradictions that would eventually cause it to collapse.
Marx’s goal, like all modernists who believed in the idea of “Progress”, was to find and reveal the “truth” about the world/society in order to bring about some sort of utopia. And being that he (as an economic determinist) gave primacy to the economic base of a society he was trying to reveal the “truth” about capitalist society to the masses, as capitalism was the dominant economic system at the time. A truth which he believed would eventually lead to a revolution and a communist utopia.
Like most modernist ideas, and I’m going to sound like a postmodernist now, his truth wasn’t so much truth as it was a narrative, he had evidence but it was still a narrative with blind spots (he didn’t expect the capitalist system to be as flexible as it has been e.g. being flexible enough to implement social programmes). Nevertheless, Marx was actually brilliant (way more brilliant than the average lefty who probably doesn’t even understand his perspective), and his critique was and still is useful to an extent.
Nice to see someone that has a grasp on Marx unlike the masses in America that think they do because the media tells them everything socialist/communistic is just evil without knowing the first thing about marx’s critique
I suggest Marx did consider social programs
My understanding is these social programs the world moving into socialism which is what he predicted. They are socialistic programs and the beginning of the move to socialism.
Also, Marx shows we will utilize socialistic programs but ultimately the contradictions in capitalism still remain and will continue to push the destruction of that system
Just to be clear Marx obviously didn't like capitalism, he was a communist actively advocating against it. Since he wasn't a dumbfuck he still realized that capitalism was a little better than the systems that came before and that (really important!) we need to maintain it as an enemy in order to progress towards a better world. Lots of people don't seem to understand that, especially those smoothbrains who thought paving the way for fascism could radicalize people to the left.
@@AnimeFan9833 Thats why I said that he was in awe of capitalism but he believed that it had internal contradictions that when revealed would make the system untenable. However, he didn’t think it was just a little better than feudalism, he thought it was much better but just not good enough.
@@justlooking1087 Yeah I agree, just felt the need to put more emphasis on that.
I'll be honest, I never read any Marx, but I saw on TV that he referred to social programs introduced in England as "the work of devoted reactionaries" tailored to bait the working class into supporting thr status quo?
Adventure time is also really great at permanence. (Even though they have a few resets here and there) and Bojack Horseman is a masterpiece
Bojack is so good. I met the animation director in Korea a couple years ago. Cool guy.
I really wish Bojack Horseman didn't end so soon.
@@DieNibelungenliad I feel like it ended at the right time. 6 seasons is a good run for any show honestly. After that writers can get burnt out and rotation happens, quality shifts etc
@@XZAceXZ I also heard that some of the staff were attempting to join a union but things didn't go their way.
@@DieNibelungenliad Didn't the show itself had a subplot where a bunch of Hollywood employees were trying to form a union only to get eaten out
This was a really good video, I'm too young to remember the Simpsons not being the way it is now, makes me want to see their old episodes
You really should. They were and are some of the best TV ever made
Oh shoot, 17 minutes ago? Quickest vid in the west. I don't want destiny knowing what my Amazon wish list is.
I don’t like judging art. Art is supposed to be subjective.
That is a painfully vacuous and reductionist mindset
@@ryangoepfert9112 Fine. That is my opinion. I am uncomfortable judging art, as I believe it is to be subjective.
For example: I like old Blues music. The older the better. Swamp blues from the 1920’s recorded using cigar box guitars.
Most people hate it. I don’t. Who cares.
@@kgm4556 What a spineless cop out you are legitimately upset about the idea that art might demand some brain power
@@ryangoepfert9112 I legitimately feel bad for you man. You are so eager to pick a fight on something as inconsequential as my opinion on art.
@@kgm4556 I am still waiting for an actual argument but given how opposed to thinking you are I shouldn't be surprised
I'm so glad Destiny is a fan of this channel. I am too. He makes great videos. They are all super interesting to me.
Star Wars is consistently popular because of its brand equity.
steven has helped me focus on building my beliefs seperate from people like hasan and vaush, and infact pushed me toward a more hardline commie stance against those two. I disagree with a fair chunk of what he says, but im thankful his sensibility helped me understand how shitty and grifty those types are.
2 years late but wanted to say im also trying to make sense of my beliefs and am proud of you for doing the same. Seems we may be on different sides of the isle but I hope people like us will get together an talk regardless. Stay strong out there 💪 keep it up
@@Dom-qm8fg thanks man, kinda got hit with some sad nostalgia seeing this comment. Stevens been pretty unstable lately. He’s been drifting to a pretty dark place since these older vids, and ended up turning into the inverse of what I liked him for. In the old days, while he could be petty, he was more often simply calm and disagreed with people based on the view that they were irrational, and even then, he just tried to be the serious one.
That famous clip of Hasan going “he’s a fucking liar dude” is the perfect example of this. Hasan raging over something destiny’s calmly said because he disagreed with it.
In recent years it’s kinda the opposite. Unless destiny is talking about the most mild shit imaginable, or something he explicitly agrees with, he gets vicious.
The whole reason he got banned on shit was because he was kinda rude as shit, a lot of the time, for no reason. I.e. the trans shit didn’t need to happen at all, he just let Twitter users make him go nutts.
On the flip side even a dude like Hasan is pretty chill now. Which is wild when destiny’s still hates him with a LOT of vitriol at times.
This is all to say, this kinda content was a keystone in my political maturing, but as time has gone on I kinda realise these are all just people, as flawed as the rest of us, and it’s silly to ground my ideation in their content anymore. I try doing my own thing and actually interacting directly with someone in a way that isn’t just for my entertainment. Thanks for the comment dude, and I wish you all the best on your similar but diverging political journey.
@@springroll4421 Thank you for such a thoughtful response. I wish you the best as-well. People like you give me hope when the future i see looks bleak so thank you for that. Have a good one, its getting tough out there. Keep at it. We need people like you.
Jesus christ this thumbnail is so bad
A rick and Morty hater eh? It's OK. You have to have a pretty low IQ to not see the flaws in the show, and call it the smartest show on TV....
See what Eye did there?
I honestly thought that manga sayonara zetsubou sensei provided one of the greatest social commentaries of Japanese society
ayo a fellow fan in here??
this is why south park has persevered
"Simpsons painfully unfunny" Makes sense why destiny isn't very funny.
"VR headsets until they die" is a plot point in Wall-E. There's a nice chunk about it in Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism. A short and good read, if you can peel yourself away from youtube ;)
That's a depressing book
@@crossthekxng943 The ending's pretty hopeful:
"The long, dark night of the end of history has to be grasped as an enormous opportunity. The very oppressive pervasiveness of capitalist realism means that even glimmers of alternative political and economic possibilities can have a disproportionately great effect. The tiniest event can tear a hole in the grey curtain of reaction which has marked the horizons of possibility under capitalist realism. From a situation in which nothing can happen, suddenly anything is possible again."
@@crossthekxng943 Of course it's depressing. But it's a good and important book.
it's actually available as an audiobook on youtube
A quick tip to the editor, the editing is really good, but it would enhance it all greatly if destinys thumbnails had something recognizable in it, like the blue colored text of a light blue frame like the color of the logo, it would make it more recognizable between others. Still great job tho.
The idea that the critique of capitalism is invalid if its done in capitalism is straight up an ad hominem tu quoque.
27:17
Tales of Symphonia vs every Tales game I played afterwards.
Season 8 was the breakpoint...
I’m still undecided on capitalism / socialism as I haven’t read enough or heard compelling arguments either way so it would be AMAZIN’ to watch a real debate on the subject that doesn’t deteriorate into bad faith arguments and name calling
Also I’m aware of the academic debates from Richard Wolf and such but these ALWAYS seem one sided
I haven't seen any, honestly. I honestly suggest you turn to audiobooks - Communist Manifesto, Myths about Capitalism and Free to Choose/The Road to Serfdom.
@@haydn1708 it’s a shame because Wolff backed out of a debate with Destiny.
That's a bit vague, what exactly do you want to hear discussed? Because both ideologies have practical value you can't just make a list of pro/cons for both and decide that one is better than the other and the other needs to be abolished entirely. A good discussion needs to home in on a specific topic and determine how either ideology can contribute to the end goal.
Now don't get lazy, read up! There's no shortage of information and pages like marxists(.)org that have shitloads of original texts for free.
Thank you for linking the creator in the description CREATIVE COMMONS IS SO BASED and Copyright Law absolutely sucks and just leads to people making knock offs and rip offs
Holy shit, Destiny is actually bypassing his blind lefty hatred and responding to and even conceding to some cogent leftist arguments. The world really is coming to an end. I wonder if a debate with Richard Wolff might be possible.
EDIT: Did he literally just argue for the ""you criticize capitalism yet you participate in it"" meme becuase of "just lazy" TH-camrs with fucking Patreon? Spoke too soon lmao, the last 10 minutes is almost a total shitshow I'm afraid.
The things I’d do to see Richard wolf on destiny’s stream oh my god
not really blind cause every time he looked up what the leftist have said ..they were most of the time lying/bending the facts/don't understand what their reading/hearing/seeing actually meant ... if this happens a number of times anyone would be skeptical of Leftist ONLINE COMMENTATORS
@@resshantanmorgan7107 I don't disagree with that, a lot of the terminally online left can be like that. Destiny's logic has also often been overrun by his rage though, causing him to be extremely uncharitable at times.
about time a solid lefty of high-caliber like cck made his way to destiny's eyes
Destiny's continuum argument against the Bors comic still doesn't address that the critique is valid. No matter how much money you make, the argument still holds true.
I think the point is that after reaching a certain economic threshold, one doesn't need to to be subsumed by the system. Did Hasan Abi, who makes millions of dollars a year, really need to make that advertisement? As a multimillionaire did he need to avoid paying someone who was regularly editing his TH-cam channel (as he lead him on about a future job)? No he didn't. You use "but capitalism" to defend yourself being an asshole.
@@MFMegaZeroX7 he has an obligation to use his platform, something most dont have, to speak about things he thinks are bad.
I've always liked that creator
This guy's analysis is thoughtful and on point. Some of his facts are wrong, the most glaring one being that all of the writers of the Simpsons and Matt Groening himself had jumped ship by Season 10 and it's been effectively a fan fiction ever since. I think that contributed more to it's sharp fall in quality than it being a hit show.
@@TheTinyTimmyTimTim Yeah, he's still credited as the showrunner, but he hasn't been actively involved since around 1999 when Futurama came out. He got bored.
A conversation with Cuck philosophy would be cool
Speaking to Destiny's point about serialized narratives, imagine how much better the Simpsons would be if every subsequent season after the 9th was treated as a physical year within their universe. Bart, Lisa, and even Maggie would be full-fledged adults by now; a perfect foundation to incorporate modern political subjects within the show.
Video games were the same back in the day as they are now. I can remember about 10 Doom-clones that I played myself back in the late 90's on my cousins computer. Also, he used Netscape to connect to the internet instead of IE and I just remembered that was a thing. Needed a disc. Wild.
Nice video my dude.
guess at least it wasn't another 'first' comment...
@@destiny I just want to say, and I mean this genuinely, thank-you for your videos. I found your debate videos literally three days ago when I was the most ill I’ve ever been in my entire life. Barely being able to speak. Barely being able to breathe...
And your debates have really helped take my mind off it all completely. In fact listening to you... I feel like I have learnt more about neutral moralism, capitalism and much more. So, here is a very sincere thank-you from me. Not out of wanting self pity. But out of a genuine amazement at a man who knows how to argue his points with logic, and never back down to bullies.
I wish you all the success in the world! Take care, brother!
@@KaneK1234 that is his editor YO editor dud pass the word to dest k?
To the editor of this channel - are you in charge of everything? It seems like you do everything on this channel except the livestreams, which I guess makes sense.
The idea of the nuclear family came about in 19th century middle class Europe.
Yooo I pogged when I heard his voice, cuck philosophy is amazing
I know Destiny was kinda meming when he said this, but I honestly think a mandatory weekly community service event would go a long way toward fixing most issues in society indirectly. Like the video has said, we've been isolating ourselves from our communities through the nuclear family, entertainment, the internet, etc, which is unhealthy for humans because we are social animal and thrive in group environments. Thus having people forced to socialize with others would not only address the rise of asocial behaviors, but also get people to care about local politics in their community because they will have formed social bonds with the people in their community, so they would be incentivized to participate in the political system. Now this doesn't mean it would be like the end of a Disney movie where everyone is singing and dancing, but getting people to step out of their isolated bubbles and become exposed to different types of people is the first step in getting people to care about what goes on in their community, which is the only way for a democracy to work. At the end of the day, we want to incentivize people to engage in the political system, and the best way to do that is through making people care about the outcomes of their community through their social bonds.
Honestly ive come to like Biden, hes way more stern than I expected him to be and doesn't really seem to take the Republicans bullshit the same way Obama did a lot or that I feared
This is only because the tone of Republican rhetoric has shifted considerably over the past 4 years. They have gone mask off while trying to hold on to support of Trump's cult of voters, and this has left them vulnerable to attacks for being anti-democratic (which they are). Biden is a savvy politician, he has to be to have stayed relevant for so long, so he knows how to tell which way the wind is blowing.
Basically, imo we're lucky that we've got a strong (hopefully bi-partisan) pushback against Trumpism going on in America, otherwise we would've had a very different style of Biden. Also, he hasn't actually gotten into office yet, so lets hope his tough talk translates into actually helping push through bold legislation while Dems have the power to.
You know Steven I have to say, I'm a democratic confederalist. Someone is would be hardcore leftist or socialist I reckon. This though I really appreciated since a lot of leftist stuff is hard to condense and videos like this are crucial to get people into leftism and was really good at simplifying the language.
I will say though, if capitalism has had to concede on issues and allow the generation of interpassivity I hope with time, the urge of art to not be bound by money and the very social, creative nature of art will eventually destroy capitalism. Naive maybe but gotta have hope I reckon.
End of the day I think that you did a amazing job in that you have provided a real pipe towards a more based leftist.
Either way, hoping things keep getting better for all of us.
I'm just hoping Biden will pressure Scott Morrison here to actually do shit because if anything Australian conservativism I feel has done the world more damage than people realise.
Anyway hope you do more of these videos because they are top tier shit ❤👍
I’m a lefty but I agree with Destiny’s take at the end. I hate it when Hasan takes deals with all of these companies and just acts like another huge streamer. He doesn’t promote more ethical ways of living, he doesn’t sacrifice even a little bit of his career to support a terrible company like Amazon less. It’s a little bit jarring sometimes how he can rant about capitalism’s ills then talk about engaging in capitalism’s worst excesses.
Agreed. The “participate in society” meme only really makes sense if you’re an average person, and not a millionaire streamer who never has to work a day for the rest of their lives. At least put a little bit of effort
@@gianni50725 and do what exactly?
@@ryangoepfert9112 i dunno, at least use that money to support lefty causes instead of just hoarding it like most of them do. it isn't hard to think what you could do with that much money
at the very least vaush talks about starting a PAC, no idea what hasan thinks he's doing besides just spouting lefty slogans on twitch
@@gianni50725 Hasan might be a millionaire but there is far more that matters more than throwing money at things (an unironic capitalist solution no less) and asking for empty mostly pointless gestures is worse than nothing
@@ryangoepfert9112 Oh okay, so then basically him gathering all that money is 100% self interest and he has no intention of trying to give power to leftists, gotcha. Forgot that raising funds for leftist institutions is a "capitalist solution"; I guess the fundraisers for the Kurds in Syria are capitalist and bad and useless
What kind of defense is this lmao
Agreed. Simpsons = unfunny
But I generally think any sitcom style show is boring/unfunny
I think it’s funny
@@ragingnalgas Lot of people do
watch It's always sunny in Philadelphia
I'm pretty sure the nuclear family existed before WW2. The term is from the 20th century, but not the actual arrangement. During the Renaissance, people in northwestern Europe lived in nuclear families.
I think the first time many people in the United States really began hating the national government was during the lead up to the American Civil War. So many Americans thought it was moral to own other humans as private property and that it was up to the owner to free them rather than the government.
The New Deal, War on Poverty, and Civil Rights act were also examples of the national gov helping people at the expense of the rich who often owned media companies and prosperity gospel like churches
Cuck philosophy is one of the best “political” youtubers on here
@AuspiciousToad care to explain?
@AuspiciousToad I am not a marxist but a Kpop fan.
And I honestly think his content is grade A. His video on kpop was eye opening and everyone should watch it.
So I am not sure if you can just assert it is for the stupid. Especially since you are literally a faceless nobody lmao.
But okay seriously his content is good. I also like destiny too. For me, content is content. I aint gonna crap on a youtuber or audience just because, there is literally no value in that
What you were talking about in the end is what postmodernists refer to as immanent critique “a critique which derives the standards it employs from the object criticized, that is, the society”. It’s hard/nearly impossible to properly critique a system you operate in because you are part of it and implicitly act according to its rules/norms/values.
i don't think that they touched on one of the points enough, the reason why the characters in the Simpsons become self parodies rather than parodies of broader culture is because they become more familiar, if you have never seen the show before and you watch the first season, you don't know who homer is so you relate him to what you know, your father, the idealized father, fathers from other family sitcoms, etc, but now when someone sees homer he's so ingrained in their brains as a cultural icon that they no longer see him as referencing other things, at least not as much, this also applies to the writers view of the characters, perhaps even more so.
I wish Destiny acted like this towards leftists more often. There are plenty of great leftists out there, he shouldn't act like everyone is as dumb as BJG or NonCompete. The existence of Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball, and Kulinski doesn't invalidate other libs like Sam Seder.
Who's BJG
I wonder if Destiny ever watched an episode of the Simpsons from the 90's. maybe they're dated. but they were ground breaking and hilarious at the time.
Still hilarious.
@@willy3toes agree.
I don't understand your counter argument to the 'participate in it comic'. A person who earns 30k a year has no chance of doing anything about the current system, or even spreading the message. If Hasan actually believes the shit he says, it stands to reason he that he accumulates as much capital and influence as he can and spend it to further his cause. It's either that or advocating for violence to change the system, which he is opposed to. Of course it remains to be seen if he puts his money where his mouth is, but faulting him for maximizing his influence is dumb.
the guy can't even pay his editors but okay
@@goudattamaan2495 Didn't know that. He is a clown then. The argument that socialists shouldn't accumulate wealth is still dumb.
@@VladMaggot21 I believe the "can't pay his editors" meme was debunked by one of Hasan's editors a few months ago on Destiny's Reddit, but frankly there's so much hearsay spread between the two communities that muddies the water
I take some issue with Destiny's take on video games. I think what he means is even the triple a studios took bigger risks in the early days of gaming. But now we just see those risks and bigger ones taken by smaller studios and indie developers. Thats how you get games like Outer Wilds and Return of the Obra Din. I think the increased audience of games has created a bigger and more diverse option for gaming than basically ever before. The problem for me specifically is the type of games I personally enjoy(rpgs and fps) are the ones that have become the most sterilized and homogeneous in the big budget gaming circle.
This is why I love Star Trek and Babylon 5. I'm not saying you need to be some genius to appreciate the nuances, but I do enjoy the fact, that as shows, they make you think.
Have y’all seen the Black Mirror episode Fifteen Million Merits? It has the same theme of recuperation of critique by the critiqued system
Yes, great show!
I liked futurama better than simpsons
I’ve been too ashamed to admit to anyone I don’t really like the Simpsons and/or newer seasons of Rick and Morty
Destiny wonders whether objects in capitalism persist out of inertia beyond the original high quality that made them relevant, then proceeds to give multiple examples (like Rick & Morty) of this actually happening.
The Simpson’s is painfully unfunny? Nowadays, sure but it used to be the best show on TV early 2000s
I think he means very early seasons. After Season 9, I just gave up. And I am a Millennial and I didn’t even grow up with this show
I say it is aged closer to wine rather then milk on this platform.
Yeah, really bad take. I'd say seasons 1 and 2 maybe didn't age so well in terms of comedy, but from that point on it was genuinely really funny all the way through to maybe season 11. It's trendy to hate on season 9 but it was still very solid too.
Destiny objects to the notion that capitalist companies make worse products over time (~20:00). But I think it's obvious that often they do. Levi's jeans, Toyota's cars, Activision's videogames. Brands and brand loyalty make it possible to cut costs without immediately losing your customer-base and when a company's growth slows or stops they almost always start looking for ways to do this.
I don't think it's all bad -- brands are also a powerful incentive to compete and offer a high quality product at near-cost or even at a loss in the hope of future profits, this is basically what sustains the VC-backed ecosystem. But I think it is a valid critique to say that brands allow companies to make worse products than competitors and stay market leaders. And especially when combined with other ways that companies can erect barriers to entry for competitors such as regulatory capture it can lead to very dysfunctional markets.
Things that remind me of this the most besides the Ford Pinto are the cases for right for repair in the case of apple and John Deere. Where you have to go to the manufacturer to pay crazy costs to fix something that could have been cut in half or a quarter of the cost if you went to a third party.
@@ska187 If a product is broken within 2 years, the manufacturer has to repair the item for free in Europe. Do you really not have a right to free repair in the US?
@@alexd4566 Its a state by state thing after researching it for a bit and its even further broken down by industry so like motor vehicles versus electronics. As far as i know, right to repair is not a thing in the US federally.
Anti-capitalist critique sells.
Yes ironically
Hardly
Bojack does this super well. Probably the best written show of all time. I have watched it more than 4 times. The characters action have long term consequences. The characters actually have a brain and can remember stuff lol. They realize when a character hasn’t been around for awhile and actually give backstory to what they were doing. Fantastic show
Not only is it great at permanence but the whole show revolves around the permanent impacts the choices Bojack makes have.
I need to rewatch BJH :0
Art doesn't have to have a meaning. It doesn't have to say anything. It can be just the surface level. Zdzisław Beksiński one of the best artist despised people adding unnecessary meaning to his work.
It's refreshing to hear someone on TH-cam that 'gets it'; that gets the need for critique. This same method of critique happens all the time in universities. That's what they're great for. Trouble is, as Destiny rightly points out, this critique is misconstrued as refutation and some nefarious plot to overthrow western civilisation. People have a fundamental lack of understanding of the nuances of critique. Marx was offering a critique of capitalism, but what a lot of people don't know, he had a lot of praise for capitalism too. Who'd have thought, eh?
Thing is, a lot of people that make these critiques really *do* want to overthrow Western civilization. That's why they lie and twist the truth if it's in their favor, constantly demonize anyone who disagrees with them, and go out of their way to destroy people's livelihoods for even the smallest infraction. People who criticize in good faith don't do that.
Except, it doesnt anymore. Remember. Colleges are supposed to be SaFe SpAcES now.
@@Lewa500 Some, yeah. I don't doubt there are people that want to overthrow western civilisation. I'd say they were pretty fringe, though. I'd say the general thrust of most critique is to understand. People have an urge to understand the world around them and that involves critiquing the systems which we live in. The trouble is, other people will take that critique, miss understand, and use it to allign their worldview. Those people exist in all parts of society, including academia, they're called idiots.
@@firghteningtruth7173 I'll assume you're not being ironic. Sorry if you are! We have a 'safe space' in the institution I study at. It's pretty simple, though. Classrooms are labelled a 'safe space' because there is a duty from the tutors that the content of discussions are 'safe' from being taken outside the classroom. That is literally the only 'safe space' I've heard of. I can't vouch for other institutions, there may well be 'safe spaces' that 'entitled' snivelling little 'snowflakes' got to to feel safe. Not seen them myself, though!
@@Lewa500 destroy western civ? Based.
I don't necessarily agree with 49:01 - I think a lot of Dems voted not for the candidate they liked, but for who they thought would beat Trump. Though obviously some people do genuinely like Biden, I think it makes sense why there's an impression that no one likes either candidate. (Although ultimately I have no data, so if the numbers disagree that's fair)
Destiny, of all the takes I’ve heard from you through the years, your take that the Simpsons is unfunny is by far your worst
The Simpsons has been shit since ‘03
@@wytsevenema2418 Sorry I should have clarified. The fact that Destiny has never found the Simpsons funny is his worst take. I agree that it’s gone to shit
Yeah, Eye think the last decent season was season 10 in my opinion. Don't @ me as eye am sure there are good episodes sprinkled later on.
was in my recommended but not on his chancel uploads yet lmao
Too many notifications today
This is why i respect destiny so much. He might have very shit takes sometimes and super toxic to socialists. But he is still willing to listen to socialists after all the shit theyve been pulling against him and even admit they can make great criticism of his ideas.
actually reading arc initiated? poggerschampion
Poggers is banned buddy
Watching big brain videos and playing games mindlessly is something I do all the time and Destiny gets paid for it lmao
Man the same things could be said of Spongebob how sad
Hmm. I'm kinda not ok with videos like these where the additional content Destiny provides is bare minimal. I mean I guess it's ok since the dude is promoted by destiny, but to be honest if the dude decided to copystrike this video, it would be well within his rights.
Eye do wish outside the description, the specific video was pinned in a comment so people could watch it and not only properly give the video support, but also people to see for themselves.
No one cares how you specifically feel about this video, thx anyway I guess
But congratulations on your self importance, I’m kinda jealous tbh
@@JCDGAMING01 Wow, it's fucking amazing how buthurt a fanboy can be.
@@JCDGAMING01
Damn, I guess there’s no point in having a comment’s section or like button then huh
Malcolm in the Middle had some semblance of permanence while still being episodic. And, the office very famously did so
I got played, everybody spaming essay_writer expecting some hot take and its a pickle rick joke
The funniest shit eye have ever seen. Swear to RNGesus.
Destiny barely says anything for a lot of this, which means it is basically stealing the content of the original content creator.
friendship ended with vaush
now cck is my new left friend
The Communist Party's not gonna see a nickel of this goddamn show until we go into syndication!
I haven’t seen it but it’s from a movie called “Network”
Epic movie, must watch. That line is hilarious in the film.
What i got out of this video is that destiny hasn't watched bojack horseman yet. so if you haven't already, go watch it.
What did he say that made u realize that?
Super late comment, but King of the Hill also has this permanence. One of my favorite shows!
Didn't expect this, but am glad none the less
I know the gameplay doesn’t matter but what the fuck is he doing in this game lol
Also, I never new all this about the Simpson’s. To further his point, my dad is a Regan conservative and he banned the Simpsons in our house.