3D Franchises that Went 2D
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ย. 2024
- Episode 398 - Many great series started out completely in 3D, ready for the future! But eventually some of them would get games that were completely 2D. So let's take a look at some of those 2D entries!
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What other 3D franchises eventually got some 2D games that you thought were fun?
Does gamesack count?
Also did you do medal of honour infiltrator? I can't remember
The first wave of 3d games 32/64bit had horrible graphics, the hardware wasn't ready to compete with the amazing artworks of the 2d graphics,
There are a couple 2D Serious Sam games -- not FPSes, but spinoff titles.
There's also a 2D action platformer for Bloodrayne.
You covered a lot of GBA stuff in this episode, but SEGA had some neat conversions on it too, like the GBA version of Space Channel 5. And if you wanted to go Nintendo, then Banjo Kazooie got Grunty's Revenge on the GBA, which is also pretty darn fun. Oh, and the GBC version of Perfect Dark!
Tekken started 3d but went 2d on gameboy advance : )
battle arena toshinden went 2d on the original gameboy : )
I remember when Game Sack went 2D, I liked the silicone graphics but Joe's Jiggle physics were to be missed. :(
The procedurally generated Dave comments were spot on though
@@drwang4884I think you can credit that to the AI
I was singularly impressed with the visual fidelity and detail in his facial hair! Truly state of the art stuff!
One of the most consistently easy to watch and charming TH-cam channels
Demakes or reimaginings of properties adopted into weaker hardware is probably one of my favourite things to read/watch. Great episode Joe.
I think demakes are cool.. I wish they'd do it more often like FF XV
They Tony Hawk games got amazing 2D ports on the GBA. Vicarious Visions really knew the hardware.
It had 3D skaters in 2D environments.
I think the stark soundscape and small intervals of a tune here and there is what added to the mystique and atmosphere of raiding an actual tomb. That feeling of isolation was what made the game more interesting for me.
I used to have the same opinion as Joe until the modern TR games came out. It made me realize how much I misinterpreted the classic TRs because at least they weren't generic cover shooters like modern TR. You actually felt like an explorer in classic TR, even the platforming was puzzle-like.
The first level of the first Tomb Raider is very underrated. I don't think anyone has done a great job conveying what made it special.
A soundscape can be stark without being completely absent, though. The total lack of any sort of ambience just makes the game feel unfinished and lifeless. A game that strives to create an atmosphere should always have some kind of sound playing, even if it's just wind, or water, or some non-diagetic ambience. That way, you even get to use true silence as a means to create tension.
In the beginning of y2k I found myself a bit lost as a gamer since many of the genres I enjoyed weren't popular anymore and the indie market or online stores had not yet exploded like today. During that era I played a lot of J2ME games on my Mobile Phone. A *lot* of popular franchises got simple games for the mobile that could be finished in a few hours, usually in classic genres such as adventure games, platformers, tactical rpg's or zelda-style games. Rainbow Six, Splinter Cell, Assassin's Creed etc. I often found myself enjoying them more than the big screen titles.
Did you play the J2ME Driver ports?
@@FIXTREME I had not until you mention them but there seems to be 3 that are all in the Kahvibreak j2me collection; "Driver: Vegas" by Glu Mobile (2005) seems to be a sequel to Driv3r and in the era I was referring to. Driver L.A: Undercover (2007) and Driver: San Francisco (2011) by Gameloft seems to be later eras.
@@JemyM I had L.A Undercover on my old UT Starcom SuperSlice, back in the Virgin Mobile days. Those games convinced me that Rockstar should have attempted a J2ME GTA game, maybe as a promotional tie in for the Stories games.
I lamented the death of beat em ups during that era & they stayed dead up until Streets of Rage 4. That's a long time. There were many times to try & revive it but they all flopped for some reason. God Hand & Urban Reign were beat em up masterpieces but for some reason the ps2 era hated the beat em up.
@@HereticHydra: I was a major fan of those and missed them hard. I finished several with a lot of quarters in the Arcades. Then I spent much of the early y2k playing through every one of them systematically on emulators. I think Castle Crashers and Sacred Citadel were the first of the new generation of Beat Em Ups but Streets of Rage 4 really nailed it. So happy that genre is back. Spent a good chunk of yesterday playing Mayhem Brawler with a friend.
I look forward to every new game sack episode
I never knew that Croc came to gameboy color, honestly looks cool!
It's clunky as all get out tho
wow, love the animated intro. Had no idea it changed. Looks amazing
Been like that for the last several episodes! Definitely check them out
I miss Dave
i thought the stop-motion stuff was just classy
That was a great topic indeed. I didn't know how many 3D to 2D games there would be or are yet to be talked about. Thanks.
The sack that keeps on giving
Game Sack and Happy Console Gamer are the best video game youtubers. I have discovered so many games from them!
If you are into Sega, Sega Lord X is also a very nice youtuber as well.
Also if you want short videos, SNES Drunk is worth a check (usually his videos are "Is game x worth playing today?").
Dark Void Zero was an excellent demake/prequel for that cool Dark Void game.
The Mummy Demastered
I always bounced off of the original Tomb Raider until last year, when I finally forced myself to come to grips with the control. Understanding (finally) that it's effectively a continuation of the gameplay in Prince of Persia/Flashback/Blackthorne made it much more palatable. It demands a lot of precision from the player, but ended up being a lot more fun than I was expecting.
My first interaction with Virtua Fighter was with the R-Zone version xD
You always find interesting and original themes for your videos dude. I've been enjoying them since forever. Keep it up!
Awesome as always Joe! I remember going to Boardwalk USA, the coolest arcade in the Denver area back in the day. When Virtua Fighter came out, I couldn't stop winning. There was a line at that machine, and when I got my chance, I just kept winning. Not sure why, but I got sick of it and finally let someone else take my turn after awhile. Im so glad I was able to grow up during the arcade days.
Maybe in a future episode you can include Spyro the Dragon, KAO the Kangaroo, Banjo-Kazooie, Jet Set Radio, Klonoa and Alone in the Dark, perhaps Donald Duck Going Quackers too, there's also Tekken, Crazy Taxi, Super Monkey Ball, and Space Channel 5 for the Gameboy Advance but idk if those count.
Edit: Also if you don't mind dabbling in Java games there's a 2D Ratchet and Clank, though this may open a can of worms with Java games like Sonic Unleashed.
And Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories
And Max Payne on the GBA
Yeah i was surprised banjo kazooie wasn’t talked about here. That was the first one i thought of seeing the title of this episode
Conker got a gbc title too, though technically is was released earlier than its 3d counterpart
Dude what if beating that croc puzzle minigame turned the whole game into an open-world skyrim RPG. Nobody would have ever found out.
Can't believe the devs of the Gameboy Color versions of Tomb Raider added "jiggle physics".
Yes, this version of the character is quite boobalicious.
you sound new
It was her most forward-thinking feature.
Yeah, back in the day you didn't have to pretend like girls played video games and could just market to the audience that actually buys the product.
@@endymallorn Or in this case, forward-pointing.
I think Game Sack episodes are my favorite episodes of Game Sack
I agree!
Same
Hmmm I'm not sure.
One future series would be the seven (yes, SEVEN!) Tony Hawk games on GBA. There were also two SSX games on GBA, although both of them used polygonal graphics. Ooh! There's also the Java R&C phone game, Going Mobile!
Also, holy cow, I was seriously impressed with the animation with the GBC Tomb Raiders! I think the cinematic platforming approach was to mimic the pacing of the 3D version's gameplay, which is an inspired choice IMO.
Hawk was on gbc, too
oh my god the series transitions are so perfect and the LCD filter you use for the handheld titles is great, hope you use a great CRT filter in the future for consistency as those certainly exist ;)
I think when it comes to 2d games in 3D series there’s Sengoku basara X, Xenosaga 1 and 2 for the ds(though more of a demake), resident evil gaiden, and recently slave zero x
Yeeesss!! I always look forward to new episodes! Keep up the amazing work!
I liked this episode in that I didn't know there were such good 2D versions of 3D games on potable handhelds. Now I have to go play them!
Haha, that ending sketch really hit home for me since my studio is developing a Neo-Geo game that not only uses 4 buttons, you will use all 4 constantly. Even SNK typically stuck to 2-3 buttons with the 4th button, if it was even used, being something pretty trivial.
Just want to drop a quick comment to say, the hard work that goes into these videos is very much appreciated, and sometimes leads me to discover games I've never seen or played before. 💖💖💖
"(Panzer Dragoon) has never had a bad game in the series"
Panzer Dragoon R-Zone would like to have a word with you Joe.
Why would it defend itself as bad?
@@bigduke5902lol tell that fraud
The Game Gear Panzer Dragoon game is pretty bad too.
Thank you Joe for making all of these amazing videos throughout the years!
You always make me happy when I watch them ☺
This was cool to watch. Thanks !
Dammit, I was about to go to sleep. Well, guess that will have to wait a half an hour
I'm not sure why but the older I get, the less I get into 3D games. Medal of Honor Infiltrator on the GBA is another one that comes to mind that fits in here. Really fun game IMO.
Since handheld games were cheaper than console games, these 2D versions were how I knew these franchises. Crash, Tak, Spyro …. I only had the GBA versions.
Joe didn't mention the greatest 3D to 2D game ever, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 😆
That new intro is still damn impressive.
You know when your player knocked out of bounds (ring out) in Real bout Fatal Fury, you see different reactions especially from the first stage.
I'm surprised that this had enough content for a full video, just goes to show how much I've been paying attention. Love your videos, btw.
thanks joe please never stop!!!
What about Crash Mind over Mutant on the DS? That one is also 2D, also you could've taken this opportunity to play a little bit of Spyro to include it in this episode.
Spyro, aww I loved that game. I can still play it now.
It was interesting to see how many people said this about that recent Prince of Persia.
Amazing how many people don't know Prince of Persia's history.
Some of the early Tony Hawk's Pro Skater games got mostly-2D versions on the Game Boy Advance. "Mostly" because the skaters themselves are 3D, and the stages are isometric but made of 2D tiles. The first THPS that I ever played was one of these, and they translated it so well to 2D that when I finally played the real 3D game months later, I already had a working knowledge of the controls and stage layouts.
I would recommend checking out some the GBA Klonoa games based off the the two console games. I have Klonoa Empire of Dreams and remember it being a pretty decent 2D platformer.
Really fun seeing the transition from 3D to 2D. I never played those Crash Bandicoot games on the GBA, but now I wanna go find them!
Caddicarus may be off the grid for the most part, but he still comes on here from time to time - he oughta help you realize that this mask here is called Aku Aku.
The Dave this channel
featured
Is trapped inside
... a Sega 32x/ sega cd game.
It’s great to have a new Sack to start my 3rd shift week! Cheers Joe, thanks for the entertainment!
That virtua fighter sprite size option is quite unique I think
I really love your channel, every video is like a treasure!
Dave is one consistent sob
I really enjoyed when the game sack intro went from 3-D to 2-D.
I was tinkingthe other day about this when playing the banjo 2d gba game
Joedifer is TOTALLY RAD ! 🤙
Edit: 😊
I swear this is the best retro gaming channel deserves a ton more subs and views
I love your A-Ha style intro and I appreciate you using the appropriate filter for GBA games etc. Bravo.
However, you must tell me how you do that transition that makes game footage look like it's being taken apart layer-by-layer.
Great episode, would love more in this series since I've tended to overlook handheld entries of franchises.
Nitpicking alert: It’s Deadly Skies, not Delta Skies in Europe.
Battle Arena Toshinden! I prefer the 2D Game Boy game over the PS1 original
I remember that Tomb Raider Prophecy GBA game (shown in the Tomb Raider portion), that In fact I finished it years ago, still remember the final stage password though. I also played the GBA Crash Bandicoot games, as well.
My son loves the jokes at the end, so you’ve got the 9-year-old boy segment on lock.
Awesome, it's sack time! Another 3D to portable showcase: Klonoa
Joe I genuinely hope you never stop. We're about the same age and believe me when I tell you I'll be watching this in the old farts home no doubt.
Oh! This episode now explains the change new(ish) intro!
Great stuff, Joe. Thanks ever so much for keeping this channel going, as it is much appreciated.
Love seeing a new Game Sack episode pop up in my feed!
Daikatana on GBC is a top down 2D Zelda-like
Daikatana, one of the strangest games ever. I kinda liked it once I got through the first hour. Not played the Zelda-clone version lol that sounds even more trippy.
Of course everyone loves Croc! Haven't you seen those magazine ads where Croc devours the likenesses of Mario, Crash and Lara Croft? Only a good game can assert such dominance!
I love how that type of ad became almost a clichéd way of introducing a new platforming mascot at the time. Croc, Ty, and Vexx all tried it, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.
This episode could also be called "demakes games"
Great Episode Joe! 😊
Virtua Fighter Animation on GG was base on the animated series of Virtua Fighter!
Man, I love the Sega Game Gear. It's one of the coolest parts of my game collection. If you include the doubles for 2 player play, I've got 240 games for the thing! Good on you for showing one I don't have in Panzer Dragoon Mini.
Another great video of Game Sack. Joe I just want to point out that Tomb Raider Legend on GBA was developed by Human Soft and published by Eidos. With Virtua Fighter Animation, that game is based on the anime which itself is based on the game.
Holy hot pants Joe, I loved playing the older Tomb Raider games and honestly I was never even aware these version you showed existed! I might have to grab those GBA games next time I see them haha!
Congradurations. You Win!
"Not even my Zune"
Sweet adorable Jesus Christ!!! Bahahahahaha!
Amazing captures, great comparisons!
Such a fantastic idea for an episode, and a narrow time period where consoles were 3D but handhelds were 2D. Good times. I really u hope u find more examples (like Resident Evil/Gaiden) I'd love a part 2! Sláinte from Ireland 🍻
That Virtua Fighter 2 for Genesis is actually very impressive on its own. The Shadow/Highlight color mode is so well implemented, and the colors, in general, look good-no dithering mess like in other later Genesis games. The 3D floor is also pretty unique. I always forget that game exists; maybe it fell into obscurity against the real VF2. Nobody really wanted a 2D VF2 at the time. I think SEGA should have released another SVP chip game instead of this.
Music not playing constantly in my opinion is one of the great aspects of the Tomb Raider and something I think more games should do.
There was a time-trial/high score version of Nights into Dreams for the GBA! Neat little conversion of a 3D game to 2D!
Did he just say bandicute?
There are quite a few of these de-makes out there now. Fan made games. They are all excellent imo. Great video as always!
Your gba footage looks fantastic.
I think Croc Legend of the Gobbos was the first 3d platformer I played!
3D to 2D is definitely a fascinating thing to happen to a franchise
Crash of the Titans is literally the Sonic Blast of the Crash games
"Serious Sam Double D" (get it, get it?) was a 2d side scroller to the awesome 3d franchise.
Great new intro, but hopefully the old one reappears from time to time. It’s such a classic!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:01 *🎮 Crash Bandicoot Franchise Evolution*
- Evolution of Crash Bandicoot games from 3D to 2D titles,
- Crash Bandicoot's transition from 3D adventures on PlayStation to 2D gameplay on portable consoles,
- Exploration of various 2D titles such as "Crash Bandicoot: The Huge Adventure" and "Crash Bandicoot Purple: Ripto's Rampage" on Game Boy Advance.
06:42 *🐉 Panzer Dragoon Series Overview*
- Introduction to the Panzer Dragoon series with emphasis on its launch title for the Sega Saturn,
- Description of gameplay mechanics involving dragon-mounted aerial combat,
- Brief overview of "Panzer Dragoon Mini" for the Game Gear, highlighting its simplified gameplay and limited scope.
09:39 *✨ Croc Series Analysis*
- Examination of the Croc franchise's transition from 3D to 2D platforms,
- Overview of "Croc: Legend of the Gobbos" and "Croc 2" for PlayStation and PC,
- Insight into handheld adaptations including "Croc" and "Croc 2" for Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance.
14:00 *🛩️ Air Force Delta Series Comparison*
- Comparison between various entries of the Air Force Delta series across different platforms,
- Evaluation of gameplay mechanics, graphics, and music in titles like "Air Force Delta" for Dreamcast and "Air Force Delta Storm" for Xbox,
- Assessment of handheld adaptations including "Air Force Delta" for Game Boy Color and "Air Force Delta Storm" for Game Boy Advance.
19:12 *⚱️ Tomb Raider Series Exploration*
- Overview of the Tomb Raider franchise's initial releases on Saturn and PlayStation,
- Analysis of the transition to handheld platforms with "Tomb Raider" for Game Boy Color,
- Evaluation of gameplay mechanics and graphical fidelity in the handheld adaptation compared to its console counterparts.
21:03 *🎮 Tomb Raider Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance Versions*
- Overview of Tomb Raider games released on Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance,
- Tomb Raider: Curse of the Sword introduced graphical button prompts, offering less forgiving gameplay,
- Tomb Raider: The Prophecy on Game Boy Advance provided an overhead perspective with familiar Lara Croft moves and challenging enemies.
23:53 *🕹️ Tomb Raider: Legend and Its Gameplay on Game Boy Advance*
- Tomb Raider: Legend on Game Boy Advance reverts to cinematic platformer genre, featuring fast-paced gameplay and changed controls,
- The game includes puzzles, action-oriented rooms, and swamp enemies, offering varied gameplay experiences,
- Graphics are visually appealing, but pre-rendered characters and repetitive music affect overall experience.
25:36 *🥋 Virtua Fighter Series Overview*
- Introduction to the Virtua Fighter series, highlighting its arcade debut as one of the first 3D fighting games,
- Virtua Fighter 2 improved visuals and added characters without special moves, gaining immense popularity in Japanese arcades,
- Adaptations for Sega Game Gear and Master System brought variations in gameplay and graphics quality.
28:43 *🎮 Virtua Fighter 2 Ported to Genesis*
- Virtua Fighter 2's port to Genesis is analyzed, noting its faithful but choppy gameplay compared to the arcade version,
- Some missing features and characters are observed, affecting overall gameplay experience,
- Despite limitations, the Genesis version provides a decent rendition of the original game for 16-bit consoles.
Made with HARPA AI
During the 2000's there was a metric ton of 2D demakes of 3D games for old mobile phones, if you take a look at the massive library of J2ME games that came out you'll find dozens of adaptations of big popular titles of the time, and some are even good. Although not every game was 2D since later down the line many phones were able to run primitive 3D graphics so there's also a bunch of games that look like early PS1 titles, some being wildly ambitious for the hardware like an adaptation of Devil May Cry 3 or one of the DS Castlevanias that got a straight up port.
BROOO THIS INTRO!!!!!!1 Never seen this yet. my man... don't know what to say. SO GOOD.
The 1st Game Sack video of March 2024. & an interesting topic too.
22:06 „Cinematic platformers“. I’m glad they‘ve got a name.
It makes sense for skeltons to bleed since there is blood trapped in the bone marrow.
The new intro is dope btw
Tomb Raider on GBC was one of the first GBC games I played, besides Pokémon Blue. My cousin gave me his GBC in 99 that'd been thrown repeatedly and run over by a car...TWICE! (He was known to be a bit volatile lol) It was scratched up, missing the start button (a paper clip worked for that), etc. Still works to this day! That menu and music was a crazy blast from the past. First TR game I ever played at the time. I bought TR3 for PC a couple years later and couldn't even beat the first level (it also ran like molasses on my family's PC...tbf I was also trash at most games and never beat the GBC TR either lol.
Virtua Fighter on the Game Gear looks to be a source port of the arcade original. I can't believe they made it work despite everything. Truly a future-proof portable game machine.
interesting concept for a vid joe.
I remember seeing Jet Set Radio and Tony Hawk's pro skater 2 on the GBA, the Tony Hawk's pro skater port had polygonal skaters (but was 2d isometric otherwise) and looked pretty damn impressive at the time!
I've literally listened to crash bandicoot music on a zune before...